1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: It's a story that we all know is happening. We're 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: aware of it. 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 2: We're aware that when it comes to gen Z, when 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 2: it comes to millennials, they're not dating. We know certainly 5 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: that as a nation, we're not pro creating. It's an issue, 6 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 2: it's a problem. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good to 7 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 2: be here, Good to be with you. The problem is 8 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: in these conversations, very often you'll have people simply yelling about, oh, 9 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 2: gen Z this or oh look millennials that that that that, 10 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 2: that's not helpful. We need to address what it is 11 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: that's happening. And to do so, we need to understand 12 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 2: what it is that. 13 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: We're looking at. 14 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 2: So I this was a story over at the New 15 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 2: York Host, The Young and the Date List, why gen 16 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 2: Z and millennial men aren't approaching women anymore. It's a 17 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 2: story by Asia Grace, And I don't know Asia Grace. 18 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: I don't know who she is or anything else about her. 19 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 2: She's just a reporter at the New York Post and 20 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 2: the story discusses a twenty eight year old who is 21 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 2: terrified of talking to women when trying to win over 22 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 2: a potential love interest. The last thing he wants is 23 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 2: to be considered a jerk. He makes ladies cringe rather 24 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: than swoon with a clumsy pickup line and unwelcome advances. 25 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: I want to start where I start. 26 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,919 Speaker 2: Which is, if you don't ask a woman out, guys, 27 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: you'll never go out with a woman. 28 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: There are very few men. 29 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: In society who could walk into a bar and every 30 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 2: woman there lines up and says the answer is yes, Now, 31 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 2: what's the question? 32 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: Very few, indeed for. 33 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 2: The vast majority the preponderance of men, you have to 34 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 2: say hello. 35 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: Now. 36 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: Part of the problem, you should note is not yours. 37 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: A society has told women that if a guy comes 38 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 2: up to you and says. 39 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: Hello, that guy is a predator. 40 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 2: That guy is violent, that guy is trying to attack you, 41 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: that guy is trying to hurt you. Men are bad, 42 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 2: and so the guy, not wanting to be an attacker, 43 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 2: does not initiate, does not even come forward, because what 44 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 2: can come back can be so destructive. 45 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: That they have said it's better that I not. And 46 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: sure they can rely on on apps, they can rely. 47 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 2: On hinge or bumble or things for hookups, but in 48 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 2: the main they stay away from it all because they 49 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 2: have been taught by a feminized. 50 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: Society that maybe they are bad. 51 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 2: And so, instead of us saying, oh, how ridiculous, Oh 52 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 2: how silly, Oh how wrong, Oh how terrible, Oh how dumb, 53 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 2: how about we tell men, young. 54 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: Men, there's nothing wrong with you. There's nothing wrong with 55 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: being a man. 56 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: And how about we explain to young women there is 57 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 2: nothing wrong with being a man. And there's nothing wrong 58 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: with a man saying, Hi, my name is so and 59 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 2: so what's your name? 60 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: Hey, I thought you were really attractive. I wanted to 61 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: meet you. There's nothing wrong with that. 62 00:03:55,280 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: Ladies, as a matter of fact, that's normal. Now, could 63 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: a guy use a cheesy pickup line? 64 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: Sure? 65 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: By the way, if you have good cheesy pickup lines, 66 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: I'll read them right now. If you want to put 67 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: them in the chatroom there, YouTube, dot com, slash Tony 68 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 2: Katz or twitter x at Tony Katz, I will read. 69 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: Your cheesy pickup line. 70 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: I once knew a guy who used to at bars 71 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 2: say to girls, Hey, if I played hockey, do you 72 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 2: think I could dominate the blue line? 73 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. 74 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: Did it work, I don't know, but it's one heck 75 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 2: of a line. It would probably work great in Canada. 76 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,799 Speaker 1: I lived in Jersey. At the time, I'm not so sure. 77 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: I'm not so sure that's the case. Now. Someone in 78 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: the chat room said, you know, one of. 79 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: The issues is the easy access to online pornography. The 80 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 2: easy access to online pornography becomes an issue after men 81 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 2: have been taught that they have no place in society. 82 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: You have a culture that has called them toxic. 83 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 2: Then you have a university set that has purposefully and 84 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 2: willfully excluded them from society. Universities don't care if men 85 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 2: go to school, go to college. They feel better when 86 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: they don't. And if you take a look at university enrollments, 87 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 2: it's majority women. And you take a look at the 88 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 2: number of college degrees and it's majority women. And if 89 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 2: we were to take a look at those degrees, what 90 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 2: are they Some of them are degrees of value, and 91 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: some of them are gender studies, and gender studies degrees 92 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 2: have no value. And if anybody wants to complain, send 93 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 2: me your emails. Would you do that? Immediately send your 94 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 2: emails to me at Eric Ericson at yahoo dot com. 95 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 2: And I'm sure Eric will just swing those right over 96 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 2: to me. 97 00:05:57,880 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: Don't want to hear it. 98 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 2: Getting degrees in subjects that are not subjects, but they 99 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: are reinforcements of narrative. 100 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: Men have been excluded. 101 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 2: From spaces where they have the opportunity to engage with 102 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 2: women at a younger age. Therefore, they don't learn how 103 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 2: to engage with younger women, and then the cultural aspect 104 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 2: has them. 105 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: Afraid to engage with women for fear of being called 106 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,679 Speaker 1: X or being accused. 107 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 2: Of Why when I met my wife not the first time, 108 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 2: the second time, when she picked me up in a bar. 109 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: Now she will disagree that this is what happens. And 110 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I'm going to get texts or you 111 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: might hear screaming I'm here to tell you my wife 112 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 2: picked me up in a bar. 113 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: I stick with that story. 114 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 2: I will go to my deathbed with that story, because 115 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 2: it's the facts. 116 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 1: I will tell the story that I was talking. 117 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: I was in a restaurant that my family owned in Florida. 118 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: I was talking to two different girls, and my wife 119 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: said to me, I was out doing something. Was that 120 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: a concert? The first time I had taken any time off. 121 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: How is the concert? 122 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: Said? It was great? She said, okay, well, I just 123 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: want to say hello, and she walked out. I followed 124 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: her out and she was there with a friend, and 125 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: when I first met her, she was with a guy. 126 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 2: I said, what happened to the guy? And she said, 127 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 2: he's a dog and I don't talk to him. I said, oh, 128 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: so it's okay if I kiss you. And I kissed 129 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: her on the spot. 130 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: That is a true story. So help me God, that happened. 131 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: That's a true story, Producer Landon, I did that. Love 132 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: it now. That's a pretty bold thing to do. 133 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 2: If you're in to the guy, ladies, you consider it romantic. 134 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 2: If you're not into the guys, you are offended. 135 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: Right. If you weren't into the guy, you're like, whoaoa. 136 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: That's the difference between flirting and harassment, whether or not you. 137 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 2: Think the guy is attractive, Like, that's that's it. I 138 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 2: don't know if you have to do that, But there 139 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 2: was no way I was going to meet her if 140 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 2: I didn't talk to her. And yes, you'll note that 141 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 2: she picked me up because she came and talked to me. 142 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: I didn't say that couldn't happen. It should happen more. 143 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: I am saying in the main. 144 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: Because my wife is one in a million. The guy 145 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: has to say hey, Hi, Hello, what's your name? And 146 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 2: we have a society that has told them that they're 147 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 2: wrong for doing so, that they're violent for doing so, 148 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 2: and if they do say hello, they're just trying to 149 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 2: attack you. 150 00:08:59,440 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: Women. 151 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 2: You can can't be going out and be offended if 152 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 2: somebody wants to say hello to you can't be angry 153 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 2: about it. It's a weird way to act. It's a 154 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 2: weird way to be, well tony. Can't I just go 155 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: to a bar and be left alone? Sure, sure you can. 156 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 2: I guess it depends on the bar. Also, there's a 157 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 2: whole conversation that Gen Z millennials don't go to bars anymore, 158 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 2: which is a whole nother thing. It's a good place 159 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 2: to meet people. But you can't have a society where 160 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 2: men are afraid of saying hello. And you can't have 161 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 2: a society where the feminized society has said the men 162 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 2: are wrong for saying hello. It's no way to live. 163 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 2: And so instead of us just complaining about a generation, 164 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 2: what we need to do is teach them that the 165 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 2: things they were taught or wrong, that there's nothing wrong 166 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 2: with masculinity. Masculinity is good. Being abusive is bad, Saying 167 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 2: hello is good. Thinking you could touch somebody just because 168 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 2: you want to is bad. This is basic stuff, ladies. 169 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 2: No guy has a right to invade your space. But 170 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 2: if someone introduces themselves, that's not invading your space. That's 171 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 2: how these things are done. It's how they're done, and 172 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 2: it's not bad. I do hear of women as you 173 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 2: do too, who are saying, how can I I can't. 174 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: Find a man. 175 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: Oh I can find plenty of boys, but I can't 176 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 2: find any men. 177 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: You scared the men off. 178 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 2: And you know what the worst part is, gen Z 179 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 2: and millennials, you didn't the generations above you did. Other 180 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 2: millennials did and did. Yeah, that's right. My gen X 181 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 2: and those stupid boomers taught you all that men are bad, 182 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 2: and you had the men scared off. They did this 183 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: to you. Now, sadly, you have to be the ones 184 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 2: who stop it. This is a fixable problem in America. 185 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 2: Why don't we go about fixing it. Why don't we 186 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 2: go about teaching them that what they were taught was wrong? 187 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: Here's what works. Go get them. Don't be afraid. 188 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 2: I as a parent, and you might know this as 189 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 2: a parent, I have absolutely no idea if I raise 190 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 2: my kids right or wrong. If I scarred them. If 191 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 2: they're gonna need there, I have no idea. You do 192 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 2: the best you can. One of the things I did 193 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 2: with my boys from a very young age. Whenever, like 194 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 2: some conversation would come up about conversations and dating, I 195 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 2: would say, you know, there's nothing easier than talking to 196 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 2: a girl, and that's it. 197 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: Sometimes I just leave the room. I would drop it 198 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: as a matter of fact. And you know what I've learned. 199 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 2: My kids ain't got no problems talking to people, no fear. 200 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 2: It's very important to have no fear. And when you 201 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 2: have no fear, other people still have fear and you 202 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 2: wind up on top, which is a good thing. This 203 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 2: is a fixable problem. We should go about fixing it. 204 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Kats today.