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Speaker 1: Indiana inside IU Basketball tonight at seven to five on

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Speaker 1: this radio station. Voice of the Hoosiers is Don Fisher.

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Speaker 2: John.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to begin with this yesterday's game with Michigan State,

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Speaker 1: and notably Indiana's scoring drought towards the second half of

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Speaker 1: that game. Did that tell you more or was that

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Speaker 1: more on Indiana or was that a credit to Michigan State.

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Speaker 3: Well, probably a combination of both, Jake. I mean, there's

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Speaker 3: no question Michigan State's a really good basketball team. Probably

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Speaker 3: you know, at this point they're going to be one

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Speaker 3: of the teams to get a double by at the

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Speaker 3: Big Ten Tournament. They are playing extremely well right now.

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Speaker 3: Fears was commendous in that contest last night, and the

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Speaker 3: rest of their team plays their roles really, really well.

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Speaker 3: So end time is of course, as a Hall of

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Speaker 3: Fame coach, without questioning, one of the best in the

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Speaker 3: country and certainly among the best of the country. And

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Speaker 3: I look at it this way from Indiana's perspective right now,

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Speaker 3: that was a tough loss, but they played well, they competed,

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Speaker 3: they played right down to the end of the ball game.

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Speaker 3: They gave themselves chances they couldn't quite get over the hump.

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Speaker 3: I just liked what I saw again from Indiana last

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Speaker 3: night over the previous three games, of which they got

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Speaker 3: blown out twice and then northwester beat them at a

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Speaker 3: tightly played game, But that was a brutal loss of

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Speaker 3: the sense of what it might mean to the NCAA tournament.

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Speaker 2: Bit.

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Speaker 3: So all I can tell you right now, Jake, is

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Speaker 3: that I know this team is floundering a little bit.

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Speaker 3: They've got a four game losing skid. They've struggled to

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Speaker 3: shoot the basketball consistently. They're getting almost nothing from their

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Speaker 3: bench right now. They've got nothing last night in that ballgame,

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Speaker 3: and that's got to change. But at the same time,

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Speaker 3: they're so limited in a couple of areas and if

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Speaker 3: they don't do the shooting aspect of it and don't

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Speaker 3: do that really well, that causes them major problems, and

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Speaker 3: certainly did last night. When they get into a drought

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Speaker 3: of any kind, it usually factors in big time.

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Speaker 1: If you were to examine it, don in terms of

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Speaker 1: Darren DeVries and going to that bench and in games

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Speaker 1: is he not getting like yesterday, was he not getting

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Speaker 1: great production from his bench because he hasn't maybe utilized

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Speaker 1: them enough to get them at this point into that

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Speaker 1: in those moments or is it the other way around,

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Speaker 1: he hasn't used them enough because they just have not

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Speaker 1: consistently given him depth when he's needed it over the

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Speaker 1: course of the season.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think as the second half of the season,

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Speaker 3: I would argue that the bench has not been very

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Speaker 3: productive period and therefore, at one point or at some point,

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Speaker 3: you lose trust or confidence in that side of the

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Speaker 3: of the of the package, so to speak. And honestly,

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Speaker 3: I think right now that's the biggest issue. I think

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Speaker 3: there are guys that are playing coming off the bench

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Speaker 3: that have struggled. Taking Connorway as I've been the same

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Speaker 3: guy since probably a month ago, without doubt. Trent Sisley,

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Speaker 3: the freshman he has really doesn't look like he's very

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Speaker 3: confident when he goes out on the floor, and that's

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Speaker 3: a problem because I think that kid can play. I

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Speaker 3: just think right now he sit that freshman wall, so

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Speaker 3: to speak, and that's hard to recover from sometimes, and

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Speaker 3: that's been kind of the case with him. So the

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Speaker 3: one guy that is coming in there and at least

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Speaker 3: giving him strong minutes at the defense have end of

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Speaker 3: the floor is j Si Miles he's got a lot

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Speaker 3: more playing time of late, but they're really a limited

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Speaker 3: basketball team right now. And you can see where Sam

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Speaker 3: Alexis has made a big improvement in his play here

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Speaker 3: in the last half of the Seasoned Bailey has gone

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Speaker 3: the other way, has not gotten better or has not

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Speaker 3: played his best here in the last ten ball games

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Speaker 3: or so. So it's a team right now. And we

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Speaker 3: said this at the very beginning that this was a

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Speaker 3: team that was going to be limited in some areas,

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Speaker 3: and the size factor has played big, big role as

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Speaker 3: hoped down the stretch of this ballgame for ball.

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Speaker 1: Of this season inside IU Basketball with Don Fisher tonight

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Speaker 1: seven oh five on this station, Don, I wanted to

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I've really asked you about this

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Speaker 1: when it comes to the coaching for Indiana in the past,

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Speaker 1: there have been times where you know myself, probably a

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Speaker 1: lot of people, but where I've been critical of coaching

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Speaker 1: I say, you know, I jumped the gun there because

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Speaker 1: I frankly didn't know what I was talking about, or

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Speaker 1: learn from those things. But and in that regard Darren Devrees,

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Speaker 1: we've now seen him twenty nine games. You have been

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Speaker 1: what I know is this, You know, I did talk

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Speaker 1: I talked about it last week, and Ryan said, Jake,

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Speaker 1: when you look at this roster and the way that

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Speaker 1: in Ryan's opinion, he said, you know, has been tremendous

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Speaker 1: they're in tournament discussion. And Ryan seemed to be very

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Speaker 1: very high on Darren Deriez and his coaching acumen and

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Speaker 1: his understanding of the game. What kind of coach is he?

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Speaker 1: Don And do you concur with that sentiment and observation?

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Speaker 2: I do. I do.

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Speaker 3: I believe that he's a really good basketball coach. I

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Speaker 3: think he did the best that he could in the

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Speaker 3: for in players, and if you look at this roster,

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Speaker 3: this roster is basically they are They are mid major players.

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Speaker 3: They are not Big ten caliber players in most of

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Speaker 3: kids that they are, who they are and where they

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Speaker 3: times has been that very reason. They are playing in

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Speaker 3: They're playing against teams that have been put together by

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Speaker 3: these coaches that have been around for a while, that

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Speaker 3: same way as some of these teams have been put together,

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Speaker 3: simply because they had to replace everybody. And when you

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Speaker 3: all hard workers, and they bust their butts and they

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Speaker 3: play as well as they can, but they're limited, and

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Speaker 3: they're limited in the size factor, they're limited in the

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Speaker 3: and therefore, I agree at one hundred percent with what

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Speaker 3: Ryan's because he's gotten as much out of this ball

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Speaker 3: what the rest of the league looked like after we

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Speaker 3: when you looked at it from that perspective alone, I

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Speaker 3: think he's done a remarkable job in that sense. But

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Speaker 3: certainly they're not getting quite what they need right now

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Speaker 3: to win the ball games, especially against these upper level

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Speaker 1: Don Fischer is my guest. He's on the Java House

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Speaker 1: Cold Brew Coffee guest line. Don. In conclusion, I mentioned

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Speaker 1: this earlier and I wanted your thought on it. You know,

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Speaker 1: you're around or aware of the personnel and the personalities

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Speaker 1: of the Indiana Pacers to an extent, and so and

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Speaker 1: we know, I think everybody in this market knows about

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Speaker 1: Tyrese Halliburton and his overall positivity and how you know.

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Speaker 1: I've had people over at the Pacers tell me. You know,

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Speaker 1: he walks in and kind of lifts everybody just with

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Speaker 1: took me a while to have this epiphany, but I

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Speaker 1: wanted to ask you because you know a little bit

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Speaker 1: about both guys, is Fernanda Mendoza the football version of

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Speaker 1: Tyrese Haliburton and the fact that he has this overwhelming

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Speaker 1: was outstanding at the combine and kind of setting the

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Speaker 3: Well? I just think for Dando Mendoza just a phenomenal person.

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Speaker 3: He's a great football player, There's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 3: What he got from Kurt Signetti this year and the

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Speaker 3: coaching staff to improve his game and how he did it,

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Speaker 3: which means he went to work on the problems that

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Speaker 3: because he was not the player this past year that

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Speaker 3: he's been previously in his career. He became a great

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Speaker 3: from Fernando's perspective, he is a great personality, number one.

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Speaker 3: And I say that in the sense of how he

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Speaker 3: in a positive way, that they were as much responsible,

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Speaker 3: if not more so than he. I just think that

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Speaker 3: as good as this guy is, and we know how

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Speaker 3: from the Tyree Haliburton standpoint, I think that's a great observation.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they're very much the same kind of player.

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Speaker 3: I think their personalities are a little bit different, but

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Speaker 3: I think they're the same kind of people. And when

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it spoke volumes when the guy wins

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Speaker 1: the Heisman Trophy and his teammates are there with him

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Speaker 1: and he's seemingly I thought it was genuine. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he wanted those guys to hold and handle and lift

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Speaker 1: up that trophy as much as he did. You know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, it was like for him, it was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right.

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Speaker 3: I mean that kind of humility is rare these days

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Speaker 3: it's rare that they deflect to their team all the positiveness,

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Speaker 3: and that's what he does. I mean, he's not a

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Speaker 3: that brings everybody together, no matter how much money you're

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Speaker 3: making at il or all those kinds of things these days,

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Speaker 3: if in fact, you don't handle it properly, and man,

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Speaker 3: that kid handle as best he possibly could have it,

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Speaker 3: and it didn't alienate players. It actually brought them together.

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Speaker 3: And that's one of the reasons this team was so

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Speaker 1: Don Fisher will be on the call Hoosiers and Minnesota

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Speaker 1: coming up on Wednesday, and then on Saturday it is

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Speaker 1: in Columbus to take on Ohio State. But again inside

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Speaker 1: IU Basketball seven oh five tonight on this radio station.

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Speaker 1: Don appreciate the time as always.

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Speaker 3: Jake, thanks for having me. Just so you know, we're

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Speaker 3: gonna have Ryan Carr on the show tonight too. They'll

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Speaker 1: Excellent, all right. So Ryan Carr will be on some

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Speaker 3: Now, hey, trust me, at this time of year, I

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Speaker 1: from CBS four and Fox fifty nine. Michae I'll begin

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Speaker 1: with this question that typically I do this time of

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Speaker 4: Oh, if I had. And this is where it gets

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Speaker 2: They just are.

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Speaker 4: And it's it's just complicated, as they always are when

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Speaker 4: I've never been, ever, ever been a fan of the

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Speaker 4: Not even the Cleveland Browns will give up two first

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Speaker 4: and then if you don't, you can either match it

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Speaker 1: So you think if they put the exclusive tag on Jones,

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Speaker 4: Well, they put the exclusive on him, he can't talk

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, not whichever one it is that they get

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Speaker 4: I just and if that's the case, that would be brilliant.

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Speaker 4: But I get and with all due respects to any

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna put the tag on Jones and we'll get

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Speaker 4: nice word stupid? Because you're just not gonna get.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that they thought? Do you think the

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Speaker 4: And yes, but yes, and again I could argue each

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Speaker 4: Colts know what's They probably have a good idea what's

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Speaker 4: the deal on the other guy. However you want to

435
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Speaker 4: do it Jones for Jones, tag or tag Pierce, because

436
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, if you don't sign that other

437
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 4: guy to the long term deal, you're probably gonna lose him.

438
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 4: And they've made it very clear, I mean shouting from

439
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 4: a bullhorn that Pearson Jones are going to be part

440
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 4: of their team. In twenty twenty.

441
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Speaker 1: Six, chap Let's look forward. Mike Chapel's My guest CBS four,

442
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Speaker 1: WXA and Fox fifty nine, where you can see and

443
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Speaker 1: read his work, and of course he is on the

444
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Speaker 1: Java House Coled Brew Coffee guest line. Let's say it's Halloween. Okay,

445
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 1: so we got the gosh, I mean that we got

446
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Speaker 1: almost seven months before this is reality, seven and a

447
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 1: half months but it's Halloween and the kids are coming

448
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: by the you know, the palatial chap estate there in

449
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: the grove, and you're handing out the full sized candy

450
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 1: bars as you do, and you decide, because it's Halloween,

451
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: what's at.

452
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 4: Raising answer and all that kind of s's nobody like that's.

453
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: Right, So you decide that you're going to dress as

454
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Speaker 1: the Colts starting quarterback. And it's been a great year.

455
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 1: The Colts are off to a good start, and their

456
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: quarterback's healthy and the guy that everybody you know that

457
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: gives them the best chance to win that was available

458
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: for them when they showed up at Grand Park as

459
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Speaker 1: their quarterback. You are dressed as.

460
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Speaker 4: Who number seventeen Jersey Daniel Jones. Okay, if it's anybody else,

461
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 4: If it's anybody else, it will be a bad Halloween.

462
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 4: It'll be back Christmas, and it'll be bad for two

463
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 4: or three years now.

464
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Speaker 1: For that reason. When you're passing out your raisinettes, there's

465
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Speaker 1: one kid that's dressed up as the Colt's best wide

466
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Speaker 1: receiver and you say, oh, go out in the yard

467
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 1: and I'll throw you the raisinettes in your pillowcase. The

468
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: kid runs out and you notice you look at the

469
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: back of his jersey as he's running out, He's wearing

470
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:36,239
Speaker 1: the jersey of what player the best receiver that they

471
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: will have on the rosters. Keep in mind they were

472
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Speaker 1: able to retain Daniel Jones.

473
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Speaker 4: The best is a relative term. Michael Pitman, I still

474
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 4: think he needs to be their best receiver.

475
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 1: Well, what I'm getting at is Alex Pierce on the roster.

476
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Speaker 1: Are they in a situation right now where it is

477
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: going to be they have to keep there? Only are

478
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Speaker 1: they only going to be able to keep one of

479
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Speaker 1: the two?

480
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Speaker 2: I think they keep both.

481
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 4: Again, it's not easy, and it's you know, it's all

482
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 4: about leverage and all that they've gone into this. There

483
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 4: was a quote from Chris Ballard. I think it was

484
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 4: either a combine or one where you know, it's it's

485
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 4: it's Jones and Pierce and then we'll work everything else

486
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 4: around those two guys. It's everything is And I understand

487
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 4: Jones has leverage one because he's a quarterback and they

488
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 4: were eight into and all that, but he's still coming

489
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 4: off an achilles he is, so it's not like it's

490
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 4: not like somebody can offer him two years, you know,

491
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 4: one hundred million dollars. Maybe they can, because desperation forces

492
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 4: guys through a lot of bad things. But but I

493
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 4: just I just think that it in the fact that

494
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 4: they both want to be here. Although having said that,

495
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 4: you you go where the money is. Neither one of

496
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 4: these guys are going to give the cultsal hometown discount.

497
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 4: This when when you're Alec Pierson you finally get that

498
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 4: first free agent contact opportunity, you've got to maximize it,

499
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 4: you do. That's why the the franchise tag is the

500
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 4: cool thing is because it's it's it's guaranteed once you

501
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 4: once they once you sign it. It's like for for Jones,

502
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 4: it's one years, forty seven million dollars guaranteed, guaranteed. But

503
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 4: what players want is more more security, you know, two

504
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 4: or three years, And I understand that. That's why I

505
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 4: say whatever, and we've talked about it. Whenever you hear

506
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 4: whatever Jones gets, whatever Piers gets, Let's say Piers gets

507
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 4: four years and one hundred million dollars twenty five million

508
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 4: a year, the only thing that matters is how much

509
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 4: is guaranteed? Did you get forty million, fifty million, sixty million,

510
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 4: Because whatever's not guaranteed can go away when they cut you.

511
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 4: So it's all whatever. Someone was talking to me today

512
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 4: at the combine, Well, how you know how many years

513
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 4: and how it doesn't matter the years and the and

514
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 4: the fat number at the end is what is guaranteed.

515
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 4: That's all you got. You know that we're talking about

516
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 4: with Pittman, and they can save twenty four million dollars

517
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 4: and all this against the cap. That's because you can

518
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 4: make that last year go away, and all of a sudden,

519
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 4: it wasn't a three year seventy million dollars. It was

520
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 4: three years and fifty or forty six million dollars, which

521
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 4: is still a pretty good deal, but it was not

522
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,479
Speaker 4: guaranteed that goes away. So whatever goes on, pay attention

523
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 4: to the guaranteed money. And it's just again when a

524
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 4: team is as transparent as the Colts are in how

525
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 4: important their next season or two is with Pierce and Jones,

526
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 4: and both players want to be here if the numbers fit,

527
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 4: and that's always you know, the devil's in the details.

528
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 4: So this isn't This doesn't start from an antagonistic point

529
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 4: at all, but it still has to work. Like I said,

530
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 4: Jones isn't going to come back here. Well, they gave

531
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 4: me that chance, I'm going to give him a terry

532
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 4: right now. Doesn't work that way. And the same with Pierce,

533
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 4: as much as he wants to be here, if he

534
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 4: gets a chance to talk to some other team and

535
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 4: they say, you know, we'll give you thirty thirty five

536
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,479
Speaker 4: million a year, which is way too much, but it

537
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 4: only takes one team to be crazy.

538
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: Is there a number that would price either one of

539
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: them out?

540
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,959
Speaker 4: I don't know. With a quarterback, I don't know. With Jones,

541
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 4: I thought forty five million. I don't know an average,

542
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 4: an average. That's why the franchise number is such a

543
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 4: good barometer on what your average would be. Although that's

544
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 4: awful high for that's high for Jones in my mind,

545
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 4: because again he missed the last whatever seven games and

546
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 4: he's recovering from an achilles and receivers normally. Again, Pierce

547
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 4: is as great as he is with what he does.

548
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 4: The most catches his head in the season. I think

549
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 4: it's forty seven. So it's there are nuances to each situation,

550
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 4: but if either player gets a chance to test the market,

551
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 4: there will be eighteen. All it takes is one that

552
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 4: we'll say, man, we got a chance to land Alec Pierce.

553
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 4: We got a chance to land Daniel Jones, even with

554
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 4: the recovering Achilles. They'll do it, and they'll probably and

555
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 4: there's a good chance they would price the Colts out

556
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 4: of matching it, because that's what you do unless again

557
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 4: it's unless it's a franchise tager. If they do. That's

558
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 4: why I'm saying I'm against the transition tag because teams

559
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 4: would make it difficult, if not impossible, for you to match.

560
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: Chap in conclusion. When I was at the Combine and

561
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: then later watching it, I I'm such a cynica about

562
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:37,959
Speaker 1: the combine and I want you to tell me why

563
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. I you know, I'm looking at people are

564
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: going crazy over forty times. Oh look how slow this

565
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: guy was. Excuse me, look how slow this guy was

566
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: into forty time. Or look at the blazing and I'm

567
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, Jerry Rice ran a four to seven.

568
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: I know it's a different era up to an extent.

569
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: Reggie Wayne ran a mid four Five's right? I mean

570
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald, I think was like a four to six.

571
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: Chris Carter different era maybe, but I got a long

572
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: list of guys that got standing ovations after their forty

573
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: time that that literally they're sitting in a bar right

574
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: now somewhere, going, you want to watch my forty time

575
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: again on YouTube? Yeah? What am I missing here?

576
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's that's what you know. They say, well,

577
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 4: it's not important, but it is. And then who was

578
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 4: a Cincinnati was at the first round? I picked John

579
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 4: Ross over ever yep in Tennessee. And again ad Mitchell

580
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 4: timed out well, but it's sort of Alec Pierce. I

581
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 4: just always thought that the game tape and the guy

582
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 4: that played four years or three years and did that

583
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 4: that and the other, don't you and all your all

584
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 4: your your campus visits, don't you put more weight on that? Again,

585
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 4: I date myself that the all time bust was Mike

586
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 4: Mamura was a Boston College defensive end where he just

587
00:31:55,280 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 4: often and then gosh, three years ago Anthony Richards, and

588
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 4: I mean he he had numbers that may never be

589
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 4: matched by a quarterback. And to some extent, the cults

590
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 4: really rely on that, relied on that. They were also pressure.

591
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 4: There was pressure to get a quarterback, and I'm I'm

592
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 4: confident that Jim Mersey really said, hey, we need a

593
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 4: quarterback and all was left at number four was was

594
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 4: Richardson and Will Levis. As it turned out, either one

595
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 4: would have been wrong. Uh so, yeah, I I I

596
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 4: would take I would put more impatuses like if what

597
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 4: do I care what that an offensive lineman? Forty times?

598
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 4: I want to know what his short burst is and

599
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 4: the cones and all that stuff that's that's important to him.

600
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 4: Uh So, yeah, I don't. I don't put a lot

601
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 4: into that. I don't pay a lot of attention to it,

602
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 4: especially when we haven't got a first round draft pick.

603
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 4: When the Cults are drafted in the second round, well,

604
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 4: you know what all I look for is whether they

605
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 4: need to redo the defensive line, they need to do

606
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 4: redo linebacker. They're probably gonna draft offensive lineman in the

607
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 4: fourth round because that's what you do because you're always

608
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 4: looking to have depth there. And and now if they

609
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 4: were having would lose peers. Then then all of a sudden,

610
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 4: my second round emphasis goes on a receiver. I don't

611
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 4: think that happens. But yeah, I don't get to been

612
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,719
Speaker 4: out of shape with that. But but but guys do,

613
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,959
Speaker 4: and God love them for doing it, because then when

614
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 4: it comes time to evaluating players, going into the draft.

615
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 4: I pay attention to Dangle, Jeremiah, Dane Brugler, those guys.

616
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 4: Those guys do the homework and I believe in them.

617
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 4: I trust them. Some guys not so much, but those

618
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 4: guys are pretty on it. But I just think what

619
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 4: you do over the course of your career and what

620
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 4: you didn't do over the course of your career, like

621
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 4: you know, raising red flag by for whatever inscretion, I

622
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 4: think that should carry so much more weight. Although I

623
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 4: tell you we've talked to Reggie Ain't about when they

624
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 4: do the position drills with the receivers and certain guys

625
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 4: catch his eye. He was off the charts in favor

626
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 4: of Alec Pearce.

627
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: Well, Josh Downs is one of them, right, Just Downs and.

628
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 4: Josh Downs, yes, sir, And until last year, you know,

629
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 4: Downs had two really good years and then last year

630
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 4: for a lot of reasons, not quite so much. Tyler

631
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 4: Warren really impacted Josh Downs's game. But but yeah, the

632
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 4: year numbers. I know why they do it, but let's

633
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 4: your eyes and lets your evaluation over the course of

634
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 4: three or four years carry more weight than what a

635
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 4: guy all some of those vertical jumps in like forty

636
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 4: three inches.

637
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: Well, and I get it, like you know, here listen

638
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: before I'm a complete cynic that just dumps on everything.

639
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: I mean Omar Cooper Junior, the kid out of Launch

640
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: North in Indiana, when they showed his vertical leap, and

641
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: you go, okay, well that is applicable, right, I mean

642
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: the Penn State game. Hello, you know, I mean there

643
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: are areas where that is applicable. You know, right, you're

644
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: starting center. You know they don't jump ball, you know

645
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: what I mean? I mean, so right, right, But it's

646
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: it's a total package.

647
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 4: And if you have two or three players that you're

648
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Speaker 4: considering and there's not a lot between them, well then

649
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 4: you go said, well this guy did this at the combine,

650
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 4: this guy did that, and then you know, probably the

651
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 4: athleticism is maybe a tipping point, but I kind of

652
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 4: feel that there's probably more mistakes made because you know,

653
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 4: let's go back and look at the tape and this

654
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 4: guy look at it, look at this get off and

655
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 4: all this, and like you said, Marvin Harris, we asked

656
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison one time how fast he was because they

657
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 4: didn't really time you, and he said, I'm fast enough. Yeah,

658
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 4: you know, like Jerry Rice, people didn't catch Jerry. Rice

659
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 4: and Reggie ran such good rats and had a great hands,

660
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 4: not that it was slow at all, but yeah, let's

661
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 4: your eyes and your and your long time evaluation that

662
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 4: your scouts who spend time with these guys listen to them.

663
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 4: And I've always said, and a lot of geams have

664
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 4: agreed that the combine almost the most important thing is

665
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 4: that the medical should get from it to where you

666
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 4: reaffirm this guy's okay from an injury, or yeah, this

667
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 4: guy had a broken something in senior in high school.

668
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: Or is this tendon still really right? Heart? I mean,

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Speaker 1: all of it right, Mike Chapel the guest Java House,

670
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: Cold Brew Coffee, guest line, combine or wrap it Up

671
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: and CBS four WXI in Fox FID I not only

672
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: your coverage for that, but obviously this saga with Jones Pierce,

673
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: what comes of all of it. Chap will be on

674
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Speaker 1: top of it as always, Mike, appreciate the time. As always,

675
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: you guys will talk about you next week. Mike Chappel

676
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Speaker 1: joining US IndyCar season is underway, the debut race of

677
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Speaker 1: the twenty sixth season taking place yesterday on the streets

678
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Speaker 1: of Saint Petersburg. It was Alex Polo winning in pretty

679
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: impressive fashion. Running right behind him was the guy that

680
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: was the poll sitter, Scott McLaughlin, and in Scott McLoughlin's

681
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: ear for the course of the race, a long time

682
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: staple within the paddock, and of course the president at

683
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: one time a Penske Team Penske and then a bit

684
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: of a vacation, but he is back in the paddock.

685
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: In Tim Sindric who joins us now on the Java

686
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: House Cold Brew Coffee guest line. First off, Tim, how

687
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 1: are you? It's pleasure to.

688
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 2: Have you, good man. How are you doing today?

689
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: You know what? I can't complain and I'm curious from

690
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: your standpoint, and I want to get into just kind

691
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 1: of your emotions of all of it in a minute.

692
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: But when you are a car that starts on poll

693
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Speaker 1: and really McLachlin, I thought had a solid day running.

694
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: It didn't look like you guys had any sort of

695
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 1: an issue or he put the tire wrong anywhere, and

696
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: then you finish in second, still a solid finish to

697
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: be on the podium. But do you take away from

698
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 1: that that it was a good weekend or a weekend

699
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:49,439
Speaker 1: where you left something out there.

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Speaker 5: It was solid. Yeah, I think to start the season out,

701
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 5: that's what you want to do. You don't want to

702
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 5: play catch up, but yeah, certainly you want to win

703
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 5: the race, you know, that's.

704
00:37:59,320 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: What we're there to do.

705
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 5: But I would sit on the pole and you know,

706
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 5: run second to Alex. You know, right now, I think

707
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 5: everybody's racing for second until we get just a bit better.

708
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 5: You know, I think the speed is there. You know,

709
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 5: Scott actually had more speed than he even showed on Saturday.

710
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 5: But he drove a great race. You know, he executed

711
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 5: and he did everything he could do really to uh,

712
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 5: you know, do what we did yesterday. So yeah, a

713
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 5: solid start, but we want more, for sure.

714
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: I want to get into Tim and for those that

715
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Speaker 1: are unfamiliar with it, and I apologize for having to

716
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: rehash it this way, but for those that may not

717
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: be familiar, you know, you've been a long time staple

718
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: within that team for Roger Penske and Team Penske and

719
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: then and I can't recall if it was two or

720
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: three years ago, but the incident with the push to

721
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: pass capability when in a race that wasn't supposed to

722
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: be there for two of the three cars for Penske

723
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: and a penalty for that. And then last May the incident.

724
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: There were parts on the rear of the car that

725
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: were not to be touched, and they were. They failed

726
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: to conspection will Power and Joseph n. Neugarten had to

727
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: start the eighty five hundred at the back of the field.

728
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: And then you were one of three who were relieved

729
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 1: of your duties from the team itself, and then the

730
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: word coming that you will be returning as the strategist.

731
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: What was just kind of your emotion through all of

732
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: that and maybe even the trying nature of it and

733
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: things you've learned.

734
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 5: Yes, thanks for bringing all that backs up again, But

735
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 5: stuff now at the end of the day. I mean, obviously,

736
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 5: I've been with that team since since really nineteen ninety nine,

737
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 5: and you know I have been through a lot ups

738
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 5: and downs.

739
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 2: You know, as a kid, it was it was the team.

740
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 5: That I admired, the one I always wanted to be with,

741
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 5: you know, Roger, he always been one of my heroes

742
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 5: or whatever. And you know through all that, first of all,

743
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 5: I did nothing wrong. I was simply a victim of

744
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 5: certain circumstances.

745
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 2: And you know, those that truly know me they.

746
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 5: Don't question anything relative to my integrity, and really that's

747
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 5: that's all it really matters at the end. And you know,

748
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 5: the sport I've had through that, through those people just

749
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 5: reminded me of all that, you know, helped a lot,

750
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 5: because obviously I put a lot into all that. That's

751
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 5: really in a nutshell, you know, and probably all I

752
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 5: really had to say about the whole thing today and

753
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,919
Speaker 5: to have the opportunity to really come back and work

754
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 5: with people that I really enjoy working with, you know,

755
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 5: as I reflected on it, you know, after all that

756
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 5: went down, you know, as you can imagine, I had

757
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 5: quite a few opportunities to do different things, you know,

758
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 5: a lot of them in the in the Indy Car paddock.

759
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 5: And you know, the disquality for me was I put

760
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 5: so much into the whole Team Pinsky situation. And you know,

761
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 5: I understand accountability, you know, I get how that works,

762
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 5: especially in the corporate world. And if there's a corporate

763
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 5: race team out there, it's the one I've worked for

764
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 5: even before Roger bought the you know, the Speedway and

765
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 5: IndyCar and all the rest of it.

766
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 2: And you know that the voices just got.

767
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 5: Louder when all that happens, and you know, he was

768
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 5: in a situation there where, yeah, he had to make

769
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 5: some decisions or whatever else. And you know, for myself,

770
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 5: I have to live with those decisions, whether I agreed

771
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 5: with them or didn't agree with them, or agreed with

772
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 5: how the whole process went. H you know, with the

773
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 5: various parties. You know, what am I going to do?

774
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 5: You know, you just have to you just have to

775
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 5: kind of move on.

776
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 2: You know.

777
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 5: The hardest thing for me is, you know, when people

778
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 5: question your integrity because it's kind of the easy thing

779
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 5: to do when you've you know, been part of, you know,

780
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 5: so much success over the years. I get all that,

781
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 5: you know, and I don't I don't blame people for

782
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 5: you know, believing what they read sometimes, but you know,

783
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 5: in this day and age, uh, you know, I've always

784
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 5: been really careful to judge, you know, until I know

785
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 5: somebody personally or whatever else. But you know, I had

786
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 5: some great conversations with people that I didn't even know

787
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 5: in Saint Pete that I didn't expect and all that's

788
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 5: pretty helpful when you go through something like that. You know,

789
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 5: for me, it's always been it's been my passion, you know, motorsports. Uh,

790
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 5: you have been fortunate enough to experiences as much and

791
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 5: more success than I ever imagined. And the hard thing

792
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 5: for me and all that was really understanding what I

793
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 5: wanted to do, you know, because you're in a situation

794
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 5: where you know you're not going to live forever, and

795
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 5: you know, I started kind of thinking about the various

796
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 5: criteria that I wanted personally. And you know, for me,

797
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 5: I got a great family, I've you know, I've got

798
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 5: great friends, and yeah, I had a really really rewarding

799
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 5: career at that point, and I didn't want to I

800
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 5: didn't want to repeat my steps in terms of of

801
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 5: you know, running a race team again, or starting one

802
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 5: from scratch, or trying to bring one from you know,

803
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 5: mid path to the front or whatever, because you know,

804
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 5: I had already stepped aside or tried to step aside,

805
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 5: you know, at the end of twenty twenty four, just

806
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 5: really to live life a bit and kind of experienced

807
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 5: some things that I hadn't done in thirty or forty

808
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 5: years and reconnect with friends and family in some ways

809
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 5: or whatever else. And you know, I did a lot

810
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 5: of that last year, and I did obviously a lot

811
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 5: of reflect you know, what I wanted to do, and

812
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 5: I didn't want to do the same things again, but

813
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 5: I still I missed the competition side of it. And

814
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 5: you know, around the holidays, I thought to myself, and

815
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 5: I need to either just get out of motorsports all

816
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 5: together and and forget about and just say I had

817
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 5: a good ride or a great ride, or I need

818
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 5: to stay relevant somehow and then let it come to

819
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 5: me and see what happens. And you know, I'd had

820
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 5: different people approach me to.

821
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: Hey, how about just go on the weekends.

822
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 5: Then you got flexibility to you know, do whatever else

823
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 5: you want to do in life, come on the weekends,

824
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 5: you know, help us out, or you know, come to

825
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 5: a may only deal with you know, drivers that can

826
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 5: win the race and that type of thing. And and

827
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 5: you know, if you asked me back in August if

828
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 5: I wanted to do that, that didn't really hit home

829
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 5: for me because I'd kind of been done that.

830
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 2: And then around the holidays, I.

831
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 5: Decided, you know what, this thing passes you by real

832
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 5: quick if you don't get involved.

833
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 2: So I decided, you know, going.

834
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 5: To racing on the weekend still allows me to be

835
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 5: involved in a lot of other things and have flexibility

836
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 5: do what I want to do. And uh, I made

837
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 5: the decision to to go pursue that, and had my

838
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 5: mind made up where I was going to go and

839
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 5: what I was going to do. And uh, you know,

840
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 5: I thought to myself, Man, I think so much of

841
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 5: the people that I worked with over there, Guys like

842
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 5: Jonathan do Good, you know, Travis Law and Matt Johnson,

843
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 5: you know, the drivers, Uh, the engineers there, just the

844
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 5: whole group there. You know, some of these guys, you know,

845
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 5: we referred to him as myram John Booslog. Uh, they'd

846
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 5: been there so long, I've been.

847
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: Through so much with them.

848
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 5: I don't want them to read about what I'm going

849
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 5: to go do for somebody else in Dye Car Paddock

850
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 5: without at least letting them know that that's what I'm

851
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 5: going to do. So yeah, I reached out to Jonathan

852
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 5: do Good, who's you know, running the team now, and

853
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 5: I'd hired him out of college actually back in the y.

854
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 5: I have a mess days. I think it was like

855
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 5: two thousand and five, and uh, I sent him an email.

856
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 5: And I hadn't talked to Rogerson to August, or hadn't

857
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 5: communicated with him even since August and uh I copied

858
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 5: him on my email to the JD and just said, Hey,

859
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 5: just want you guys to be aware, I'm gonna I'm

860
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 5: going to go pursue something in the paddic on the weekends.

861
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 5: Didn't want you to read about it. I assume you

862
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,959
Speaker 5: guys got your bases covered. If you don't, I'm open

863
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 5: to a conversation. You know, I still admire the people

864
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 5: that you have and the group that you have, and

865
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 5: you know, for me, I helped obviously put together you

866
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 5: know a lot of those people. And anyway, yeah, that

867
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 5: JD reached out pretty much immediately and said, hey, then

868
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 5: we sit down and have a conversation about your timing

869
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 5: is good. We're trying to figure out how to how

870
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 5: to put our group together, you know, with the most

871
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,439
Speaker 5: depth that we can have. And Roger reached out within

872
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,439
Speaker 5: the hour and said, you know, basically, hey, there's something

873
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 5: you really want to do. It wou'd be a win

874
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 5: win for us. So that's how it all went down.

875
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: Did you feel the fact that you were able tim

876
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: to go back to the same team did you feel

877
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: like that was kind of an exoneration.

878
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 5: Well, you know, when I when I mentioned to my

879
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 5: wife that I was going to, you know, put together

880
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 5: this note to those guys. She was she was kind

881
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 5: of perplexed. Not that I mean she she she loves

882
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 5: those people as well, and she's just like, really, I said, yeah,

883
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 5: because regardless of the answer, regardless of what happens, it's

884
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 5: going to answer a few questions for me, independent on

885
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 5: what the reply is or if there's not one at all.

886
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 5: And you know, if it happened to all work out,

887
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 5: it would probably send a few messages without me having

888
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 5: to say anything or Roger.

889
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: Having to say anything.

890
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 5: And so that that was my mindset. So you know, yeah,

891
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 5: for sure, I think you know, for me, have and

892
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 5: gone through all that over the years and had so

893
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 5: much success with so many people in that group, you know,

894
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 5: for it to kind of all end, and you know,

895
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 5: what I look at is more of a political mess

896
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 5: than anything else. I you know, I like, hey, there's

897
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 5: a chance to write a different chapter in there, and

898
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 5: you know, have a different ending to that whole story.

899
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 2: I'd be all for it. So here we are. Well.

900
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: Scott mcglachlin was thrilled about it. I mean, there's no

901
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: doubt about that. Tim Sindrick, my guest from Penske. Of course,

902
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: he was the race strategist for Scott McLaughlin in his

903
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: second yesterday after landing on poll and McLachlin was open

904
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: about the fact of, you know, the optimism he had

905
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: to work with you again in the chemistry you guys

906
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: have for you personally though, Tim, were you nervous going

907
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: into the weekend or just curious as to how you

908
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: would be received or how all of it would go down?

909
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 2: Uh?

910
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 5: You kind of anxious, you know, I guess you know,

911
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 5: for me, I'm at peace with myself. Like I said it,

912
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 5: I uh there was nothing that I did wrong. I mean,

913
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 5: when you're when it's the top of the total pole,

914
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 5: the head hits the ground hardest, you know. So you

915
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 5: know I understood, I understood all those different things and

916
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 5: and kind of the side of it I liked, for

917
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 5: as what I said before, for you know, the people

918
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 5: around me and the people that that really know me,

919
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 5: that that's what has always mattered the most to me.

920
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 5: And uh, you know that that proved to be really strong.

921
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 5: So my I guess I was a bit more nervous

922
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 5: about how rusty I was.

923
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 2: Going to be.

924
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 5: I mean, I honestly I didn't follow a lot of

925
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 5: the races in detail. You know, I'd watched the starter,

926
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 5: I'd watched the end and go do my thing, but

927
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 5: I wasn't, you know, totally engaged last year after all

928
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 5: that went down. So there's been a lot of.

929
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 2: Rules to change.

930
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 5: People change, roles change, and you know, I certainly wanted

931
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 5: to respect, you know, the management group that's in place

932
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 5: there within within Penske and you JD and those guys

933
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 5: know that I'm not looking for the job. I'm not

934
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 5: trying to promote myself. I just want to do a

935
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 5: good job within that environment. And for me, you know,

936
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 5: it's really been the past I don't know, later ten years,

937
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 5: you know, my I guess what I get out of

938
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 5: of really being part of all that is watching others

939
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 5: have success that haven't seen the success that I've been

940
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 5: able to experience.

941
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 2: And you know, Scott's.

942
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 5: Somebody that you know, I met him way back and

943
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 5: I can't remember if it was fourteen or fifteen, you know,

944
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 5: through Marcus Ambrose and you know, having the opportunity to

945
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 5: kind of go full circle with him from the times

946
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 5: we talked about going supercars racing and him coming over

947
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 5: to our team there to you know, the dinners we

948
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 5: had over there talking about, you know, how he could

949
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 5: go racing in America to then being on his box

950
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 5: in his ear. Yeah, it's it's a great opportunity and

951
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 5: something that I really want to help him succeed in

952
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 5: whatever way I can.

953
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: Tim.

954
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 2: I know that you know that was more for me

955
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 2: what I was after.

956
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 1: I know one of the things that you did because

957
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: I reached out to you, you know, just before the

958
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: season began. Uh, going to the Olympics had to have

959
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: been awesome. I mean just going and seeing it, And

960
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 1: I'm curious. I'm assuming you were there from a fan standpoint,

961
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: but you know your son's eraser, You've been around it forever,

962
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: right is it? How cool is it? I guess? Or

963
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: what can you learn from watching athletes at the top

964
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: of their craft in a sport other than the one

965
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: that you are caught in the minutia in from day

966
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:33,919
Speaker 1: to day.

967
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 5: No, it's incredible, you know. Obviously, the patriotism is second

968
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 5: to none. We had the chance to take our our

969
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 5: kids when they were teenagers, young teenagers to the London

970
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 5: Olympics in twenty twelve. The Summer Olympics actually stayed and

971
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 5: Zach Brown flat you know, downtown London went to the

972
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 5: Olympics there and they never forgot that experience, and you know,

973
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 5: us going to the Winter Olympics, they actually organized it

974
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 5: all and that was that was what they presented, you know,

975
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 5: Megan and I for Christmas was basically an organized you

976
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 5: know trip to the Olympics for seven days or what

977
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 5: have you. And you know, I'll give you an example.

978
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 5: We went to the short track speed skating uh finals,

979
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 5: and the only tickets that were available at that time,

980
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 5: because it wasn't one of the events that the kids

981
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 5: had picked out, but we happen to have a window

982
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 5: where we could go, and it was it was convenient,

983
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 5: and uh, you know, I said my wife, I'm like,

984
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 5: we can go sightseeing or you know, we're here for

985
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 5: the Olympics. Let's go to the Olympics. And the only

986
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 5: seats that were available were the best seats. And uh,

987
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 5: you know, you got swallowed pretty hard sometimes and you're

988
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 5: just like, hey, that's why we're here.

989
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 2: Let's just do it.

990
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 5: And we had front row seats to the speed skating finals.

991
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 5: And the cool thing about it, Okay, the races and

992
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,439
Speaker 5: all that are really good, and you're up, but where

993
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 5: our seats were and you couldn't pick your seats. They

994
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 5: just tell you it's in a section. But the athletes

995
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 5: would come out of the locker room and actually put

996
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 5: their skates on and do their ritual and all that,

997
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 5: and these chairs literally right below us as you leaned

998
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 5: over the rail and you watch these Olympic athletes getting

999
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 5: ready to go basically determine their fate and all the

1000
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 5: things that they had worked for. And it was just

1001
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 5: so cool and so rewarding to see all that firsthand

1002
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 5: in terms of the preparation and then basically the release

1003
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 5: they had after it was over.

1004
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: So did you want to get in their ear and

1005
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 1: tell them when they had to come in and pit

1006
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: and stuff like that.

1007
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 5: You now, man, you're there. You're nervous for the guys

1008
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 5: they have to go reset up the apex tucks during

1009
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 5: the live event. You know, you're like, you realize if

1010
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 5: they drop one of those or if they follow, they're

1011
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 5: going to scrip the whole race. But no, you just

1012
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 5: get a whole different perspective of it all. And yeah,

1013
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 5: you just it's hard to explain it all until you

1014
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 5: you actually see it an experience at firsthand.

1015
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 1: Well, Tim, I'll tell you what, man, on a personal level,

1016
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: You know, I told you this at the time when

1017
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: I saw the news you were back. You're always accommodating

1018
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: on Pitt Road. And I've got a great deal of

1019
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: respect for the work that you've done and the accomplishments

1020
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: you've had, and so for you to get the chance

1021
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 1: to come back and just kind of put that all

1022
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: in the past. My apologies for bringing it up, but

1023
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: it's part of the story right as to back, So

1024
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: you know, I certainly appreciate it and appreciate the candor

1025
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: today and Phoenix up next, and then after that it

1026
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: is a new track Arlington going right around where the

1027
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys play, so plenty of racing between now and

1028
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: May to get to so I appreciate you squeezing a

1029
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:40,439
Speaker 1: little time for us right now.

1030
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 5: Hey, I just want to know who's going to be

1031
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 5: our quarterback.

1032
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: That's a good question. I think it's probably going to

1033
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: be Daniel Jones, but I don't know. Do you have

1034
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,959
Speaker 1: any eligibility left after your Hall of Fame basketball career

1035
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: at Rose.

1036
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 5: Holmand No, man, I'm just a fan, but I.

1037
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: Think it's going to be Daniel Jones. But we'll see,

1038
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: because big day tomorrow with the franchise tag and Alec

1039
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: Pierce hanging in there as well, so we'll see if

1040
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: they can get a deal done. He's a smart cookie, though,

1041
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: I think he's going to get some dollars out of him.

1042
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 5: Good deal, good deal. Hope it all works out.

1043
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, Tim, all right. Thanks by Tim Sendrick

1044
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: joining us on the program.