1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: We will not be stopped from talking about the ridiculous 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: statements of the Energy Secretary Susie Javaroski and the just 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: clown behavior she displayed yesterday. 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 2: Yes, she was saying what the local company, local communities 5 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 2: should be suing. 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: All right, So Susie Javarowski is the energy nice tribe. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: Broad administration not gonna stop us from talking about it. 8 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: Susie Javarowski, she is the Energy and Natural Resources Secretary. 9 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 3: Secretary of Energy and Natural Resources. 10 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: By the way, if you'd like to look this up, 11 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: she makes two hundred and seventy five thousand dollars and 12 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: eighteen cents eight. My favorite part is the eighteen cents. 13 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: Right like when they were negotiating with her to be 14 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: a cabinet person, we can offer you two hundred and 15 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: seventy five k. Well it's not gonna be enough for me. 16 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: How about we throw in eighteen. 17 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 3: We need eighteen more cents piece, So two. 18 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: Hundred and seventy five thousand dollars and eighteen cents. According 19 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: to the State Transparency Portal, she is also we should 20 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: point this out because this is the hypocrisy of these people. 21 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 4: Are the rediculousness of these people. 22 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: She is a failed former candidate for public office, so 23 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: she ran for state house, lost in the primary. And 24 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: we see this a lot in government, especially in the 25 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: broadn administration see Jennifer Ruth Green. Where these people lose elections, 26 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: they get rejected by the voters, and then they get 27 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: these cushy government jobs. Government is the only place where 28 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: you can fail up and are allowed to lord over 29 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: other people after the voters said, thanks for the opportunity 30 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: to hire you, but no thanks. So she is speaking, 31 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: She was speaking at the Fiscal Policy Institute. You know 32 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: what happened Nigel broke that microphone yesterday that there was 33 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: like a Zuppruter film of Nigel breaking that microphone. And 34 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: I bet they didn't put it back together properly. I 35 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: bet that's what happened. And of course Tony Katz is 36 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: never here, so you'd never know with his morning show 37 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: and just Dona, this is the file. Cabinet is working 38 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: overtime here, Casey. So she was speaking at the Fiscal 39 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: Policy Institute's annual luncheon. And by the way, India Capitol 40 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: Chronicle has this story the Abdual broken over at any Politics. 41 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 1: We'll have him on later to talk about it, and 42 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: she basically not. Basically she did started attacking communities in 43 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: which the elected officials are vetoing these energy companies trying 44 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 1: to come in, primarily the wind and the solar people. 45 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: And she just went on direct attack at these companies, 46 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: including saying that these energy companies should sue the communities 47 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: that are vetoing their projects. 48 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, she was talking about that they should sue the 49 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 2: communities if they changed the local rules, if the developers 50 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 2: are late in the process, like no contracts have been signed, 51 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: nothing's for sure. But she's saying, no, you've worked this 52 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 2: hard in the process, so you can go ahead and 53 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 2: sue if you want. 54 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 4: So here's the quote. We'll play the audio in just 55 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 4: a second. 56 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: Now, the audio is a little hard to hear because 57 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: there is a lunch right, so you're hearing people eating 58 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: and talking and right. But so we will play you 59 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: the audio. But here's part of the quote. This is 60 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: a dual had this and get Capitol Chronicle at it. 61 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 4: Quote. 62 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: That's disgraceful. Personally, I think that those companies should start 63 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: suing those communities and get serious about it. So what 64 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: this woman is saying on behalf of Mike Braun. 65 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 3: We just had a right level position. 66 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: We just had Braun coming in here talk about how 67 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 1: he's heard the people, he's heard the good news, he's 68 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: responding to their concerns about all these things going on 69 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: with the data centers and the blah blah blah. And 70 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: this woman on Mike Braun's behalf comes out and says, 71 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: if you're a community that is listing, if you're an 72 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: elected official, be you a county commissioner or a town 73 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: or city councilman, like we're seeing with Franklin Township and 74 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: the Google data center here in Indianapolis, if you are 75 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: one of those people who is listening to the concerns 76 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: of your constituents and doing the right thing by your people, 77 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: you should get sued by one of these companies. 78 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty incredible. 79 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 4: Huh, unbelievable. 80 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: All right, So we'll read you some more what you 81 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: said in moment, but here is some of the audio 82 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: of her talking about this issue. 83 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 5: We have to do something as a state. It's crucial. 84 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 4: We're in our own way. 85 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 5: These local moratoriums are setting our energy policy. And not 86 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 5: only that, it's creating a reputation. And I know it's 87 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 5: in all other states. But if we want to win, 88 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 5: we're to figure this out, and it's creating reputation where 89 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 5: industry doesn't want to come because of this. Especially, the 90 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 5: thing that really obsessed me are the instances where a 91 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 5: community will engage with industry. They string them along for 92 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 5: a while, they have them invest they talk about it, 93 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 5: they go back and forth, they spend two years, a 94 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 5: few hundred thousand dollar, They get right down to the 95 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 5: end and then they say, well, we're going to change 96 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 5: our rules on this to become this and there's no 97 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 5: way they can do it. And so they've just spent 98 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 5: two three, four hundred thousand dollars and there's no deal. 99 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 5: That's just graceful. Personally, I think that those companies should 100 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 5: start suing these communities and get serious. 101 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: The arrogance from that woman, just oozing the elitism oozing 102 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: out of that woman. First of all, let's talk about 103 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: what she said where she tries to claim that people 104 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: aren't coming here, bull or they won't want to come here. 105 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 4: Bull. 106 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: There are how many data centers where there's like forty 107 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: data centers in the pipeline. 108 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 4: That are approved or in the process of being approved. 109 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:45,799 Speaker 3: Correct. 110 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: We have seen multiple times where they don't get approved 111 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: in some county and they move on to another one. 112 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 4: She is she is a straight lying when she says that. 113 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: Isn't that a theme with the Braun administration casey where 114 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: these people will just say anything, and we hear from 115 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: Braun all the time about how great the business climate is, 116 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: about how people are flocking to Indiana, about everybody wants 117 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: to be here. She's just pulling stuff out of her 118 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: ass at this point because she wants these things here 119 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: and to belittle and try to bully and intimidate up 120 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: to saying that they should sue these communities. So let 121 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: me tell you how this process works that she's so 122 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,239 Speaker 1: enraged about, because this is how the process is designed 123 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: to work. Someone a company, whatever they are, Google or whoever. Now, 124 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: one of the problems is we can't tell exactly how 125 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: it works because it all gets shrouded in mystery. 126 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 3: In non disclosure agreements. 127 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: Once the governor who she works for, once his IEDC 128 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: gets involved, because you're right in the NBA's et cetera. 129 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: But how it is supposed to work is community X 130 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: looks at a place, starts looking at places and they say, hey, 131 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: we've got three or four places that we might want 132 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: to go, and then you start having conversations off of 133 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: that based on you know, they do a cursory glance 134 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: of what incentives are available, et cetera. And then they 135 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: start talking to the town or city or county staff, 136 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: town manager, mayor whatever, and those people say, here's what 137 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: I think we can do for you. And so that 138 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: process starts at the local. 139 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 4: Now, throwing the. 140 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: IDC in is a whole different ball of worms, right, So, 141 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: and it Brawn's mad about that. He's just look in 142 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: the mirror and pointed himself. But with these local communities, 143 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: you go to the local Economic Development Corporation Commission, you say, 144 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: here's what we'd like to do. 145 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 4: Will you grant these incentives? And they say yes or no. 146 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: If they say yes, then it goes to the local 147 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: planning commission because it's going to require in most cases 148 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: a zoning reclassification. At that point people get to come speak. 149 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: Planning commission generally doesn't operate off of public sentiment or outrage. 150 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: They just operate off of ordinances and whether you fit 151 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: a specific group of things, decide thumb up or thumb down. 152 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: Once the planning commission weighs in they're not the final 153 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: word on anything. 154 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 4: The elected body, be they be. 155 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: A county commissioner or a town council or city council, 156 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: becomes the final word, which those are the people who, 157 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: by design are most likely and should be to listen 158 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: to the constituents. What this broad is mad about is 159 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: that the process is working, which everybody knows. All these 160 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: companies when they come into these communities or counties, they 161 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: know how the process works. They have highly paid attorneys 162 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: who do all this for them. And she's mad that 163 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: the process is working, which is that people are listening 164 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: to their constituents. 165 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: At the end, she seemed to allude that you aren't 166 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 2: patriotic if you don't allow data centers or energy development 167 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 2: in your community. 168 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 4: She's gross. 169 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: She's a failed candidate who had her opportunity to tell 170 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: the voters about her ideas and they said no, thank you. 171 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 4: And so what she do. 172 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: She goes to this lunch, She gets this cushy government 173 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: position and starts lording over people and start trying to 174 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: bully and intimidate local elected officials. 175 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 4: Who are doing your job. 176 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: Think about the Braun cabinet and Orbit right now, and 177 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 1: some of the people he's put in charge. You got 178 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: this woman who's creating massive headaches for him. She's a disgrace. 179 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: She should resign immediately. The disdain she has for the 180 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: taxpayers of this state, which she put on full display, 181 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: she should resign immediately. You've got her. You've got Jennifer 182 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: Ruth Green. What a dumpster fire that was. You got 183 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: jose Evans over at the Civil Rights Commission, he's out. 184 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: You got Ken Abernathy who was the head of INDOTT, 185 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: who was there a couple months and left. There's a 186 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: whole bunch of these people that Braun put in these 187 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: very important positions, and they have turned out to be awful. 188 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 3: Don't do what we want, will sue you? Strong arming? 189 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 3: That's what you're getting, all right? 190 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 4: Uh, from one garbage to the next. We got to 191 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 4: talk about Diego Morales when we come back. 192 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 3: Is he going to go traveling against Jerdi Diego? 193 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 4: Maybe on the move? 194 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 3: Baby, it's Kennilly Casey. It's ninety three WIBC. 195 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 2: He