1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: Live from the Heart Blind and the Crossroads of America. 2 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today. Hey, they're one and all. 3 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: I'm Andrew Langer in for Tony Katz today, so glad 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: I can join you on this Monday, Monday, the nineteenth 5 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 1: of January twenty twenty six. I'm actually finding that I'm 6 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: having an easier time this year writing twenty twenty six 7 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: on things, not nearly the problems that I normally have 8 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 1: when you transition from excuse. 9 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 2: Me, from one year to the next. 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: But anyway, it is that what I am having a 11 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: hard time wrapping my head around is the fact that 12 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: it's already January nineteenth. It just the days seem to 13 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: be accelerating. Tomorrow is going to be I believe the 14 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: one year anniversary of the Trump administration. I did a report. 15 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 2: I was trying to think the last time I was 16 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: on I don't think I talked about it here. 17 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: I did a report a couple of weeks ago about 18 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: the Trump administration and regulation. By the way, if you 19 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: don't know about me, let me explain who I am. 20 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: I don't just do radio. I also do public policy work. 21 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: I'm the director of the Center for Regulatory Freedom for Seapack. 22 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: I also do healthcare policy for them, and as such, 23 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: you know, the impact of regulation on the American economy 24 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: is huge for me. I'm constantly analyzing regulatory proposals. 25 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: That's what I do. 26 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: And so a couple of weeks ago, really interesting bit 27 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: of information was dropped from the White House. They ran 28 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:35,199 Speaker 1: their numbers and showed that they had cut an unprecedented 29 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: two hundred and eleven billion dollars in regulatory costs. Now, 30 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: this is taking away from the one point eight trillion 31 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: dollars that the Biden administration, So one eight hundred billion 32 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: dollars that the Biden administration added to regulatory costs. And 33 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: by the way, you know, as we talk about this, 34 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: if you want to know why inflation accelerated to such 35 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: a degree, uh yeah, adding one point eight trillion dollars 36 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: in new regulations has a way of doing that has 37 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: a way of depressing economic growth. That's why the the 38 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: only jobs that were created, uh created, and use that 39 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: term loosely, were jobs that the federal government you know, 40 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: was able to bring back after after the government reopened 41 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: or you know, so folks were able to go back 42 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: to work, but nothing in the way of new private 43 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: sector jobs were created. Only only public sector jobs are created. 44 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: And and so yeah, this is this is this is massive. 45 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: So you know, I ran the numbers given what uh, 46 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,399 Speaker 1: given what I had worked on over the first year, 47 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: all of the regulatory reform efforts, uh, and did some 48 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: you know, did some comparisons to the way things would 49 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: have been had Kamala Harris been elected. All of these 50 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: things add up that that's the whole point of regulation. 51 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: By the way, I know, I talked a little bit 52 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: about this in the first hour. You know, the jobs 53 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: that I would have wanted, the whole point of regulation. 54 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: Never believe anybody who tells you that regulations don't increase 55 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: the cost of doing things. That's the whole point. The 56 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: whole point of of new mandates is to raise the 57 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: cost of doing the thing that they don't want you 58 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: to do, such that it is less expensive ultimately to 59 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: do the thing that they do want. 60 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 2: You to do. 61 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 1: That's the nature of the beast. And when they make 62 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:31,399 Speaker 1: choices for you in terms of these regulations, well there 63 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: that denies you the opportunities to do other things. 64 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: That's the opportunity cost. What do I mean by this. 65 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: Let's say that you have an administration that doesn't like 66 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: doesn't like fossil fuels, doesn't like coal, doesn't like natural gas. 67 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: And you're the owner of a pizzeria, you know, pizzeria 68 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: in South Indianapolis. 69 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: I don't know, uh. 70 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: And you guys have a coal you have a coal 71 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: fired oven, or even a natural gas fired oven, And 72 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: the federal government comes in and says, well, we don't 73 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: want you to have that kind. 74 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: Of an oven anymore. We want to get rid. 75 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: Of coal, certainly coal, but we also want to get 76 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: rid of natural gas powered ovens. So therefore you are 77 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: now mandated to buy a new oven. Well, let's assume 78 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: for a moment that that new oven is going to 79 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: cost you thirty thousand dollars. I don't know what a 80 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: new oven costs, new pizza oven costs, But the bottom 81 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: line is, whatever the money is, thirty twenty five thousand, 82 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: forty thousand, whatever it is, that's money you can't use 83 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,799 Speaker 1: elsewhere in your business to hire new employees, to invest 84 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: in a new software system to make things more productive. 85 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: That's opportunity cost. These things matter. So anyway, So we 86 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: did a really great report a couple of weeks ago 87 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: on this. It's up at the cpack website. 88 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 2: Again. 89 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: If you're not following me on Twitter, please do so 90 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: at Andrew Underscore, Langer, La and Ger. 91 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 2: You know every day I do every day. 92 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: Every month, I do a blog for SEAPAC on the 93 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: regulatory comments that I filed the previous week. And we 94 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: continue to be engaged, you know, filing you know, at 95 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: least one set of comments per day, if not more. 96 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: Spent a chunk of time drafting stuff yesterday, because that's 97 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: that's how I spend my off hours. 98 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: But let's let's go here. 99 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: We want to go back to this democratic agenda and 100 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: and the things that matter. 101 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: And I want to play this again. 102 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 1: Eric Swalwell running for governor in California, laying out the playbook, 103 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: but I want to start with this, uh, the framework. 104 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 2: Let's go ahead, Land and play cut number four. 105 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 3: Please their immunity, they're not going to be able to drive. 106 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 3: I will take your driver's license. Good luck walking to work. 107 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 108 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: So, so he calls them a holes, he calls ICE 109 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: members a holes and says he's going to take away 110 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: their driver's licenses, and he's giddy about it. There's a 111 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: woman who laughs at the tail end. I think I 112 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: missed it there. I tried highlighting it, but you know, 113 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: he's speaking to a Democratic crowd. 114 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: They love this. They eat it up with a spoon. 115 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: That's what he wants, That's what a democratic, a California 116 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: Democratic crowd wants. But then he continues and he goes 117 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: to start to lay out the playbook. Let's go ahead 118 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: and play cut number five. 119 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 3: Law enforcement to use every power to prosecute them for battery, 120 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:33,119 Speaker 3: false imprisonment, and murder. You know me, I'm not shy. 121 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 3: Over the last ten years, I worked on the Russia 122 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 3: investigation with Adam Schiff. I helped lead the second impeachment 123 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 3: as a manager. I've got the only lawsuit that has 124 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 3: survived this new presidency. It's me and the January sixth Officers. 125 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 3: I'm not naive about who he is. There's only one 126 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 3: side of the bault. 127 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 2: There's a band name Eric Swalwell and the January sixth Officers. 128 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 2: But that's what it is. 129 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: It is all of these guys trying to outdo each 130 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: other and looking at what happened in Virginia in the fall, 131 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: looking at Abigail Spanberger's victory. You know, she comes into 132 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: office first day, ten different executive orders undoing the work. 133 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: And you know, here's the fascinating thing is Glenn Youngkin 134 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: was not a particularly you know, ardent red meat eating conservative. 135 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: Me he's certainly conservative, not as conservative as some, but 136 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: he was a conservative governing in what is arguably a 137 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: very purple state and you know, doing things that were 138 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: common sense. Abigail Spamberger comes in and starts undoing that 139 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:40,119 Speaker 1: agenda almost immediately, among other things, by making it clear 140 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: that local law enforcement doesn't have to cooperate with ICE. 141 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: This is amazing to me that we are at this 142 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: point in time where the Democrats create a problem. Right, 143 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: this is a Democrat created problem. And by the way, 144 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: this is something that Democrats warned about. I got a 145 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: bunch of these things here again, Landa, We're going to 146 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: jump down here. I'm I'm sure you. Tony played this 147 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: for you last week. Here is Bill Clinton in nineteen 148 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: ninety five talking about illegal immigration. Play come number seventeen. 149 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 4: Our nation was built by immigrants, people from every region 150 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 4: of the world. It made lasting and important contributions to 151 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 4: our society. We support legal immigration, but we won't tolerate 152 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 4: immigration by people whose first act is to break the 153 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 4: law as they enter our country. We must continue to 154 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 4: do everything we can to strengthen our borders, enforce our laws, 155 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 4: and remove illegal aliens from our country. As I said 156 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 4: in my State of the Union address, we are a 157 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 4: nation of immigrants, but we're also a nation of laws. 158 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 4: And it is wrong and ultimately self defeating for a 159 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 4: nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of 160 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 4: our immigration laws we have seen in recent years. 161 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: Let me talk a little bit, so that's when we 162 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: may come back to that. But that was that was 163 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: thirty one years ago. How quaint that is that a 164 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: Democrat Democrat president of the United States would express those 165 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: things which are self evident truths. You break the law 166 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: to come here. You've broken the law, You've jumped the line. 167 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: It's disrespectful. The folks who do follow the rules did 168 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: the right thing and waited in line to come into 169 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: this country. The Democrats then created this problem. Oh and 170 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: by the way, it wasn't limited to Bill Clinton, and 171 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: it wasn't limited to nineteen ninety five. Here is Cecilia Munos, 172 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: an Obama adviser, on this. Here she is talking about 173 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: it in twenty eleven. Let's pick up on my nineteen landon. 174 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 3: This administration continue to oversee the deportation of four hundred 175 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 3: thousand people a year as long. 176 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 5: As Congress gives us the money to do pour four 177 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 5: hundred thousand people a year. That's what the administration is 178 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 5: going to do. 179 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 2: That's our obligation under the law. 180 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 5: We will be strategic about how we do it, and 181 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 5: the number of those folks who are either criminals or 182 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 5: recent arrivals will continue to go up. But yes, this 183 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 5: is our obligation under the law. And you have a 184 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 5: community of ten million, eleven million people living and working 185 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 5: in the United States illegally, some of these things are 186 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 5: going to happen. Even if the law is executed with perfection, 187 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 5: there will be parents separated from their children. We don't 188 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 5: have to like it. Congress passed a law, and Congress 189 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 5: appropriates funds to implement that law, and the executive branch's 190 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 5: job is to is to enforce it so the president 191 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 5: can't end it. 192 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: There there's a reason why they referred to Barack Obama 193 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: as the deporter in chief. 194 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 2: And yet this is where we are, and you have 195 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 2: to ask yourself what changed. 196 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: Is it just you know, politics changing, or is it 197 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: the refinement and the recognition that this is a pressure 198 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: point on American society, and I think it's the latter. 199 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: I think, at the end of the day, this is 200 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: about power. This is about holding on to power. This 201 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: is about Donald Trump doing things. 202 00:10:58,559 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 2: You know. 203 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: I think if Donald Trump turned around and said tomorrow 204 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: once again he wanted to find a solution for the Dreamers, 205 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: which is what he said in twenty fifteen and sixteen, 206 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:07,959 Speaker 1: the left would all of a sudden have a problem 207 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 1: with Dreamers. Right, you want to get rid of the 208 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 1: Obamacare subsidies, just have Donald Trump call them the Trump subsidies. 209 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: In any case, we're going to come back and we're 210 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: going to talk about where we are now a little 211 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: bit more. 212 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 2: We've got We're gon we're going to hear. 213 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: About Don Lemon's adventures on the ground in Minneapolis. I'm 214 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: Andrew Langer in for Tony Kats today. You know, it's 215 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: fascinating to me because at the end of the day, 216 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 1: there is a massive bait and switch that is at 217 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: work here, which is the Democrats focus on the the 218 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: issue of Trump and whatever Trump wants to do. 219 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 2: They want to push back. You elect us. 220 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: We're gonna We're going to push back you elect Jay Jones, 221 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: Attorney General of Virginia, and he's going to push back. 222 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 2: You would have you know, Eric swallwell, he's going to 223 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 2: do this. 224 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: But what they leave out, of course, is all of 225 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: the garbage that comes along with it, all of the 226 00:11:59,080 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: inane things. 227 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:00,839 Speaker 2: As I said at the. 228 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: Beginning of the hour, you know, you talk about regulation, right, 229 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: Joe Biden ran as the anti Donald Trump. Right, Chuck 230 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: Schumer is saying, you know, we run twenty twenty six 231 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: where the anti Donald. 232 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 2: We're going to push back on. 233 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,239 Speaker 1: Doge and what Doge did and what the Trump administration 234 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: has done. Abigail Spanberger running in Virginia, this is what 235 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: she's going to do, and then you drill down on it. 236 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: And somebody a colleague of mine also in radio posts 237 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: that you know, one of the very first things that 238 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 1: the Democrats in Virginia have done. And I would check 239 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: to make sure the Democrats in Indiana are not doing 240 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: this as well. I'm sure there are some localities that 241 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: are working on this, pushing to ban gas powered leaf blowers. 242 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: I think gas powered lawnmowers as well, but certainly the 243 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: idea of leaf blowers. Now, they tried to do this 244 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: in Montgomery County, Maryland. So the suburb of Washington, d C. Right, 245 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: DC abuts right onto Montgomery County and Prince George's county. 246 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: The leftists in Montgomery County tried to do this and 247 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,599 Speaker 1: then they realize just what a negative impact it was 248 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: going to have on Oh what are their other important constituencies, 249 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: that being migrant workers who do work be is remember 250 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: right with Democrats. Part of the reason why they're fighting 251 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: so hard for migrants is they want that cheap and 252 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to say it cheap slave labor that migrant 253 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,719 Speaker 1: labor ostensibly provides to them. Oh well, you know, so 254 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: the two things come into confide. Oh wait, you mean 255 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: if we make all of these inexpensive migrant workers go 256 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: out and buy new equipment, that's going to drive up 257 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: the cost of. 258 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 2: My long care. 259 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: It's going to make it on par with what we 260 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: would have to pay an American citizen for it legally. Yeah, 261 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: so they put them into it. Well, Virginia not learning 262 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: from that mistake, is going down that road. But back 263 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: to Minneapolis and people who can seem to help themselves. 264 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 1: So Don is on the ground in this in this church, 265 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: and he this morning he posted a video essentially admitting 266 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: that that his plan was to get involved with this incitement, right, 267 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: not to be a journalist who's watching but participating. 268 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 2: Let's go ahead, land and play cut number eight. 269 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 6: Into Minneapolis a little bit ago and did some some 270 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 6: reconnaissance on the ground and speaking to an organization there 271 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 6: that's gearing up to for a resistance and protests. I've 272 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 6: been surprised, pleasantly surprised to see the community coming together. 273 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 2: In the Verse community. If you see this. 274 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 6: When we first pulled up, we're like, wait a minute, 275 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 6: what is which? Which operation are we at? And as 276 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 6: it turns out, because we were like, well this is 277 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 6: kind of Maga codd right, so the American plan or whatever, 278 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 6: but these are resistance protests. They're planning an operation that 279 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 6: we're going to follow them on. I can't tell you 280 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 6: exactly what they're doing, but it's called Operation pulled Up, 281 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 6: uh and it's the Chema Arms song. 282 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 2: And she has been doing this since George Floyd. 283 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: Okay put a stop to that. So so what this 284 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: is him getting involved? As John Justice if you heard 285 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: the first hour, John Justice talked about this. This is 286 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: this woman who was involved in the Black Lives Matter movement, 287 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: and the George Floyd riots, et cetera, et cetera. I 288 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: remember Tim Wallace's wife, Uh, the first time she was 289 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: proud of America was when she smelled the tires burning 290 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: in Minneapolis. This is this is what they want. This 291 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: is what they are trying to do. This is this 292 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: is their plan overall. So Don Letnon went to the church, 293 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: he was involved in this riot, and I want to 294 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: I want to play this, you know again, talking about 295 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: the issue of the balancing of rights and the right 296 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: of those church goers to worship in peace. 297 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 2: Right. 298 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: They're not harming anybody by being in their church and 299 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 1: being at church on a Sunday. They're just there to 300 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: worship God in their own way. And these interlopers came 301 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: in because they were under the mistaken impression because of 302 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: Don Lemon by the way, that their church pastor was 303 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: somehow involved with ice, which we now understand he was not. 304 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: Let's play CUTT number seven Landon. 305 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: What do you think of it? I mean, this is unacceptable, 306 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: it's shameful. 307 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: It's shameful to interrupt a public gathering of Christians in worship. 308 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 2: But there were I have to take care of my flow. 309 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 6: Listen, we live in there's a constitution in the First 310 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 6: Amendment to freedom of speech and the freedom to assembling protest. 311 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 2: We're here to worship. We're here to worship Jesus because 312 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 2: that's the hope of these cities. 313 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: That's the hope of the world is Jesus Christ. 314 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 2: We're very respectable, but please don't push me there. We're here. 315 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 2: We're here to worship Jesus. That's why we're here. Okay, 316 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 2: that's why we're here. That's what we're about. 317 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: Who you think Jesus would be understanding and we're about 318 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: full stop. 319 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 2: No, Jesus would be angry. He would be angry. 320 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: At this, yes, because this is the kind of thing 321 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: that the Romans would have done right and he would 322 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: have talked about He would have talked about the use 323 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: of legalism again, coming down to this and the fundamental 324 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: misunderstanding of the First Amendment. At what the First Amendment protects. 325 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I mean so much dumbness, No wonder 326 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: CNN fired his rear end And I gotta tell you something, guys, 327 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: I am holding it together in terms of not uttering 328 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: some kind of profanity. I have too much respect for Tony. 329 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 1: I have too much respect for you. To do that, 330 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: to debase myself, to debase these airwaves. But the fundamental 331 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: misunderstanding the Bill of Rights, the first ten amendments to 332 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: the Constitution. Now, the Constitution itself is the document that 333 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: lays out the specific powers of government. Right, the powers 334 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:01,959 Speaker 1: of government, and those powers are limited and they are explicit. 335 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: The federal government cannot go beyond those powers. The ninth 336 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: Amendment says that the enumeration in the Constitution of certain 337 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: powers is not meant to deny I'm sorry, of certain rights, 338 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: is not meant to deny or disparage the existence of others. Right, 339 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: you retain everything that is not surrendered. The tenth Amendment 340 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 1: says that the powers that are not expressly given to 341 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: the federal government are reserved to the states or to 342 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: the people. The two things go hand in hand. But 343 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: the first eight amendments of the Bill of Rights are 344 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: about further constraints on federal government power. That's the nature 345 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: of the beast. So your first amendment right exists to 346 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: prevent the government from intruding on your ability to worship, 347 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: the government from intruding on your ability to worship, your 348 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: ability to voice your grievances against the government, your ability 349 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: to inform other citizens about what's going on in the world, 350 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: your ability to assemble with other people. 351 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 2: Right. 352 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,719 Speaker 1: That is the first amendment of the Constitution to prevent 353 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: government from acting. It's not designed to give every Yahoo 354 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: who wants to go and invade at church licensed to 355 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: invade that church and interrupt a service. You want to 356 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: know why America has gotten to the place that it is, 357 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: It's because places like CNN allowed the Don Lemons of 358 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: the world to have a microphone. That's the problem. Listen, 359 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: more to come. I'm Andrew Langer. This is Tony Katz today. 360 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 2: So we're back everybody. I'm Andrew Langer and for Tony 361 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 2: Kats today. So glad I can join you and you 362 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 2: can join me on. 363 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: This Monday, cold, cold Monday in January. I can't believe 364 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: it's January nineteenth already. 365 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 2: It's just stunning to me. 366 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 1: You can join the conversation Facebook dot Com slash Andrew 367 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: Langer Show. You can also at me on Twitter at 368 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 1: Andrew underscore Langer. 369 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 2: Listen. 370 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: I want to send a shout out to Mike and 371 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: Alexis who are listening. They drop me a note. So 372 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: glad you guys are tuning in today. 373 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm sorry. 374 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: I'm gonna miss you guys. I think you guys may 375 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 1: wind up going out to this event that Tony's doing 376 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: on Saturday, a bum that I'm gonna miss that. I'm 377 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: gonna try to come out to the next one so 378 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: you all have fun. So I felt like I kind 379 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: of rushed this at the end this situation. I mean, 380 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: we have we have lost our collective minds. I stand 381 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: by that. I think what is happening on the ground 382 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: in Minneapolis is emblematic of this. I'm gonna get on 383 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: my soapbox for a minute here and talk about this 384 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: because you know, I don't wanna. I don't wanna. I 385 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: don't want to limit this to the left. I want 386 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: to be really really clear about this. Well, actually I 387 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: limit this to the left. But I think there are 388 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: folks who can be easily led, and I think we 389 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: need to guard ourselves as conservatives, as small l libertarians, 390 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: as free market limited government types. We've got to be 391 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: mindful about folks who want to take advantage of the 392 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: work that we are doing. Because I see what's happening 393 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: on the ground in Minneapolis, and I listen to the 394 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: words of the Don Lemon's of the world, right, and 395 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: Don Lemon, who a trusted voice, trusted voice on CNN 396 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: for so long. CNN, which is supposed to be the 397 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: moderate of the networks, is supposed to represent a middle ground. 398 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 1: But when you have somebody who's on CNN or now 399 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: formerly on CNN, who doesn't have a fundamental understanding, right, 400 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: you know, Don Lemon, part of a major mainstream media outlet, 401 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: who doesn't understand exactly what the First Amendment does, that's 402 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: a dangerous place for America to be because he doesn't 403 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: understand what his rights are, what they encompass, what the 404 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: guard rails are on those rights. And no wonder, I mean, 405 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: so a miracle he wasn't fired earlier from CNN, and 406 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: now he's off doing this independent journalism thing where there 407 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: are no guardrails on what he's doing. And we've seen 408 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: how dangerous that is with other folks who are out 409 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: there purporting to be quote unquote journalists, but who nevertheless 410 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: aren't bound by any kind of objective reality or understanding 411 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:47,479 Speaker 1: of the way the world works. So you know, I 412 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: sit here and I watch, I watch the destruction of 413 00:22:54,280 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: a beautiful city, a beautiful community like Minneapolis twin cities 414 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: Minneapolis Saint Paul, which aren't really twin cities, by the way, 415 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: I can get on my soapbox after being out in 416 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: Minneapolis for the two thousand and eight Republican National Convention. 417 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: I think the twin cities of Minneapolis and Saint Paul 418 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: are like twin cities, like DC in Baltimore are twin cities. 419 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: Or New York and Newark, New Jersey. They're not really 420 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: twin cities. They're just sort of near each other. But 421 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: my point is that we've seen what happens when these 422 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: leftist policies are left unchecked. You know, whether it is 423 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: electing a governor whose wife is enthused by the smell 424 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: of burning tires, or a governor who turns a blind 425 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: eye towards rampant corruption on the part of a population 426 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: because it serves a political purpose for him. It allows 427 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: him to hold on to power. And you see how people, 428 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: you know, take advantage of this, Or a president and 429 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: a vice president who allow rampant, unchecked illegal immigration to happen. 430 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 2: Over the course of four years and leave folks with 431 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 2: the aftermath. 432 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: Right, Tim Waltz, you know, the rumor was that Amy 433 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: Klobuchar was going to run for governor, and she got elected, 434 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: she would appoint Tim Waltz to be her successors. Tim 435 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: Waltz would go into the Senate, and we all know 436 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: what his agenda would be. Right this is assuming he 437 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: stays out of jail. But I want to offer up 438 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: a word of caution here on the other side of 439 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: the isle, on our side of the aisle, because I 440 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: get deeply concerned, you know, about about folks, for instance, infiltrating. 441 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: You know, say what you will about RFK Junior, and 442 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: say what you will about some of the sensible things 443 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: that are being done by folks like Marty McCary and 444 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,479 Speaker 1: doctor ah Use. You know, I got a little bit 445 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: from Marty McCarry here, and we're not gonna play right now. 446 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 2: We'll play it later. 447 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: About the President's health plan that he announced last week. 448 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: You know, I was working on trying to get somebody 449 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: on to talk about the nutrition guidelines that came down 450 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: a week before last you know, thankfully this administration, there 451 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: was a real possibility that they were going to announce 452 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 1: I want you to let you let this sink in for 453 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: a minute. There is enormous pressure on America's public health 454 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: agencies to declare that there is no safe serving of alcohol, right, 455 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 1: not drinking in moderation and not saying, okay, here's what 456 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: moderation means, but to say there is no safe serving 457 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: of alcohol. There is a global neo temperance movement. I 458 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: know it sounds like some weird conspiracy theory. 459 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 2: It is not. 460 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 1: But you know, the MAHA movement goes beyond this, or 461 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: at least nominally, right. We all, we all, we all 462 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: have had an understanding of what the MAHA movement was 463 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 1: supposed to be when it was coming to power, when 464 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: President Trump got reelected and RFK Junior was appointed over 465 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 1: it to Health and Human Services, that it was going 466 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: to be things like making sure that you know, there's 467 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: an that we recognize that that animal fats are not 468 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: inherently bad. In fact, in many cases they might be 469 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: preferred to UH nut and seed oils. But the bottom 470 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: line here would be that everything in moderation. But then 471 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: I began to see some very disturbing things start to happen. 472 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: Advocacy in areas. You know, one of the areas in 473 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: which the administration has been great is the area of 474 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: environmental regulatory reform, the president gets elected. President Trump gets elected, 475 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: and he wants to make America an energy powerhouse, energy dominant, 476 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 1: and economically an economic powerhouse and economically domain around the world. 477 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 1: You know, that's what making America great again is all about. 478 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: And part of this, as I said earlier, is this 479 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: issue of regulatory reform. So you know, when you add 480 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: one point eight trillion dollars in new regulations, that puts 481 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: a hamstring on the economy. Our good friend Wayne Cruz 482 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,959 Speaker 1: from the Competitive Enterprise Institute talks about how this weighs 483 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: down the economy. The idea of regulatory dark matter. As 484 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: Wayne says, you don't have to teach the grass how 485 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: to grow. You just have to remove the rocks from 486 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: the lawn. And if you cover the lawn in rocks, 487 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 1: you're gonna get You're not gonna have a lawn. You're 488 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: just gonna have a rock garden. Some folks might find beautiful, 489 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: but it really isn't all that productive. So Lee Zelden 490 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: comes in, former congressman from New York, comes in as 491 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: EP administrator and starts to put America on the right 492 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: track when it comes to environmental regulations, doing all. 493 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 2: Kinds of really good and interesting things. 494 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 1: To peel back on this, on this one point eight 495 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: trillion dollars of added regulatory burden. By the way, let 496 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: me put that in context, and I know, Landy. 497 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 2: We got to go to a break. 498 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: So so Trump leaves office. Regulations cost the American economy 499 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: to an a quarter trillion dollars annually. 500 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 2: To a quarter trillion. 501 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: Joe Biden almost doubles that by adding another one point 502 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: eight trillion dollars in all kinds of mandates, a lot 503 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: of it having to do with energy in the environment. 504 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: Lee Zelden comes in and is working to undo that 505 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: on things like greenhouse gas mandates, you know, climate change mandates, 506 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: on things like making sure that we have cars that 507 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: actually have engines that work and don't require to go 508 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: get you know, batteries that can have huge environmental impacts. 509 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: And so what's happening is we're starting to see elements 510 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: of the MAHA movement who don't like what Lee Zelden 511 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: is doing. Now, remember our IK Jr. You know something 512 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: stick a pin in this. When we come back, we're 513 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: gonna talk a little bit about RFK Junior's record when 514 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: it comes to the environment and why this is a problem. 515 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: I'm Andrew Langer in for Tony Katz today on Tony 516 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: Katz Today. 517 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 2: Welcome back everybody. I am Andrew Langer. 518 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: I'm so glad I could join you and you could 519 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: join me here on Tony Katz Today. 520 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 2: So listen. 521 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: I'm talking about this situation with RFK and my and 522 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: my concerns, and again, there are some good things that 523 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: are being done when it comes to healthcare, very much so. 524 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: And in the next hour we'll probably want to talk. 525 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: We're certainly going to talk about this with Jerry Rodgers 526 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: when he joins us at two thirty five or thirty 527 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: five minutes after the next hour, depending on when you're listening. 528 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: Jerry is the editor of Real Clear Policy and Real 529 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: Clear Health. But one of the things that concerns me 530 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: so RFK Junior, before he ran for president, before he 531 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: was involved in this, in this healthcare on the Republicans 532 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: side of the aisle. RFK Junior was very much involved 533 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: in the environmental movement in New York. And we're talking 534 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: about the left of the left environmental movement in New York. 535 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: And one of the dangers right of allowing you know, 536 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: as always, when you bring in somebody whose politics are 537 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: not actually aligned with the overall strategy of an administration. 538 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: Is it occasionally they bring a certain degree of baggage, 539 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: or they could bring a certain degree of baggage with 540 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: them into the midst and so one of the things 541 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: that I get concerned about. Let me actually add to 542 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: this before I get to this, there's another dimension to 543 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: all of this. Anytime movements go a certain distance and 544 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: movements are successful, there is a class, and I will 545 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: just call them the grifter class. The folks who see 546 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: the success of a movement, they want to glom on 547 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: and they want to make either money or a reputation 548 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: over it. So they announced that they are the new X, 549 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: or there are some aspect of X. And a prime 550 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: example of this are the myriad entities that sprung up 551 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: in the wake of the Tea Party movement after two 552 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: thousand and nine. I'll never forget the very first time 553 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: I had a conversation with somebody. Some guy had bought 554 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: years and years ago a Teaparty dot org as a UURL, 555 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: and he was walking around the big Seapac conference proclaiming 556 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: himself to be the leader of the Tea Party movement 557 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: because he had Teaparty dot Org. Now he hadn't done 558 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: anything with it, he had nothing behind him, but he 559 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: was trying to make a name for himself, and I 560 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: took great umbrage at this. Now, I'm not going to 561 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: set myself up as the founder of the Tea Party movement, 562 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: because there really is no single founder except for Rick Santelli, 563 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: I would suppose, and a handful of others who were 564 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: the early sort of early folks involved, you know, Amy 565 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: Kramer and Jenny Beth Martin and the folks at AFP 566 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: and Brendan Sein to go through a whole list of 567 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: people who were actually leaders in this movement. But you know, 568 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: come year, and by the way, for the first you know, 569 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: year or so of the movement, the establishmentarians were very 570 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: skeptical of it up until the September twelfth rally of 571 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, you know, six hundred thousand people 572 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: on the on the ground in DC. But within a 573 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: year or so after that, various entities started popping up 574 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: and tried to proclaim themselves as leaders of the movement. 575 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: And what they were really trying to do was make money, 576 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: really really wanting to siphon off resources. Now I'm not 577 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: going to say that these were left leaning organizations, though 578 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: there were some left leaning organizations. 579 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 2: That attempted to do this. 580 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: So now you have MAGA and MAHA, and you have 581 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: the allowance of a former left wing hero in the 582 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: environmental movement, RFK Junior. 583 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 2: He becomes HHS secretary. 584 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: Now, for a certain percentage of leftists, this was a 585 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: crossing of the rubicon. RFK Junior is now part of 586 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: the Trump establishment. Therefore he must be destroyed. Right, So 587 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: there's certainly that aspect of it out there. But then 588 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: there is a certain element of folks, certain folks who 589 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: are still continuing to push the the RFK approach to 590 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: environmental regulation. And I will say that that, you know, 591 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: along those same lines, there has been a disturbing number 592 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: of organizations that have popped up using the MAHA mantle 593 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: that are pushing for things that are decidedly not free market, 594 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: limited government and pro regulatory reform. There are folks out 595 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: there who are calling for Lee Zelden to either be 596 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: fired or demanding that he stepped down, even after he 597 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: is doing great work as EPA administrator. I guess my 598 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: word of caution to all of you today is to 599 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: make sure that as you're seeing groups out there that 600 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 1: are proffering these things, figure out who they are, figure 601 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: out how long they've been around, figure out who the 602 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 1: principles are who are involved, and whether or not they 603 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: are conservatives in the real sense of the word. Here's 604 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: the thing that I come back to. 605 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 2: Guys. 606 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: All we can do as conservatives, as smaller libertarians, all 607 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 1: we can be is consistent in what we say, what 608 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,280 Speaker 1: we believe, and how we advocate for things. Now, obviously, 609 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: in the face of new evidence, we should change our 610 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: opinions on things. Absolutely, we don't take things as a 611 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: matter of faith. We take things on evidence and we 612 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: see unless we're talking about faith, obviously, But the bottom 613 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: line here is we don't change our sinion about issues 614 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: because of the politics of the situation or because some 615 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,720 Speaker 1: new leader is in power who advocates for these things. 616 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: This is what Pete Townshend warned us against in the 617 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,240 Speaker 1: song we won't get fooled again. 618 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 2: Meet the new boss same as the old boss. 619 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,879 Speaker 1: We have to guard ourselves against this. All we can 620 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,720 Speaker 1: be is is consistent. Now, in the next hour, listen, 621 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: I want to start talking about Greenland, because that's a 622 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: fascinating flashpoint as well as some of the economics news. 623 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 2: That came up. We are going to be joined by 624 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 2: my good buddy. 625 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: Jerry Rodgers, the editor of Real Policy and Real Clear Health, 626 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: talk about the president's healthcare announcement. 627 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 2: Of late last week. 628 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 1: If you want to join the conversation Facebook dot com 629 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 1: slash Andrew Langer Show, we're at me on x at 630 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 1: Andrew Underscore Langer. 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