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Speaker 2: So Tom Holman the Borders are is gonna head to

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Kats today. Good to be here, Good

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Speaker 2: to be with you. You might be in parts of

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Speaker 1: It is chilly. It is absolutely chilly out.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if the heat's keeping up for

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Speaker 2: double digits below zero. Stay safe, everybody, seriously, stay warm,

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Speaker 2: check on a neighbor, do all the good things. Now's

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Speaker 2: the time for that Homan gonna take over. Maybe this

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Speaker 2: is saying that Bavino, the Border Patrol Commander Greg Bavino,

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: I still put forth to you that the answer is

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Speaker 2: a coordinated effort involving Minnesota democrats and the media to

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Speaker 2: try to thwart ice, intimidate ice, harass ice, and harm ice.

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Speaker 2: You've got agents who im bloodied. One agent lost the

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Speaker 2: tip of their finger because it.

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Speaker 1: Was bitten off. You allow those people to.

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Speaker 2: Dominate you, that's going to happen in every blue city

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Speaker 1: It cannot be allowed.

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Speaker 2: And you take a look at the data, sixty three

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Speaker 1: This, our neighbors are being disappeared ps without due process.

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Speaker 1: It is just called kidnapping. Then show up and use

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Speaker 2: Put your body on the line.

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Speaker 1: Put your body on the line.

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Speaker 2: People are getting violent, pitting in, engaging in false imprisonments

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Speaker 1: All of it.

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Speaker 2: We cannot allow a legal immigration, and we can't simply

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Speaker 2: stop because a group of Marxists think that they're in charge.

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Speaker 2: That is different then whether or not we want to

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Speaker 2: He gets brought to the ground and that's when Ice

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Speaker 2: All the other things happened too. But there were people

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Speaker 3: The Veterans Administration. And there's no evidence that he brandished

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Speaker 3: Have you ever gone to a protest? John, I mean

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Speaker 1: Okay, I've been to a protest. Guess what.

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Speaker 2: Now, if you're going to be involving yourself with interrupting, impeding, harassing,

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Speaker 2: It was former Representative Republican Peter King who wanted to

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I reject it, and I would.

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Speaker 2: Say that anybody who believes that not a conservative, and

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Speaker 1: Me all the hell out. Of course, you can.

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Speaker 2: Carry a firearm to a protest, what kind of thing

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Speaker 1: And it might not be a good shoot.

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Speaker 2: Now, there's a lot of different legal theories philosophies to

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Speaker 2: Did indeed discharge, even if in the hands of ice agents,

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Speaker 1: Video, he's clearly murdered.

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Speaker 1: She was sitting there in.

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Speaker 1: Bled out no one.

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Speaker 2: Well, these things just happened. They don't just happen. Legal

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Speaker 2: and many of them are violent, absolutely not all of them.

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Speaker 1: But that's not the story. The law was still broken.

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Speaker 2: Plenty of people didn't pay their taxes and the irs

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Speaker 1: They're in a drug.

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Speaker 2: Lord like this Canadian snowboarder Dires still comes after you

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Speaker 1: They'll break into your house. It'll be an early morning raid.

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Speaker 2: And guys, they will put a gun at your wife's

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Speaker 1: Dear Lord. The Left is really playing the Hamas game.

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Speaker 2: When one of Ice dies or gets injured or bloodied, good,

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Speaker 2: that's because they're here. When when a leftist dies good,

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Speaker 1: Be angry at Ice. That is a that's a hummas thing.

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Speaker 2: When a Jew or Israeli dies good, When a member

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Speaker 2: Has been proactively supporting violence against Ice, they don't have

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Speaker 2: any regards for life. They're like, the ICE agents should

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Speaker 2: just take the violent hits, the attacks on their hotels

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Speaker 2: then everything will be better. The left engages radical chaos

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Speaker 2: and Unamerican activities and violence and breaking the law, and

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Speaker 2: they would stop, you know, you're doing something, well, it's

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Speaker 1: No. No, that is obscene and wrong and gross and

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Speaker 1: We talked about this.

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Speaker 2: With Ed Morrissey and I love it hotair dot com.

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Speaker 2: People don't like chaos, and they blame the party in

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Speaker 1: That isn't what it looks like. That isn't what it

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Speaker 2: It could have been the desire, but you'd have to

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Speaker 2: That's a you know, it's again the pushing of narrative.

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Speaker 1: When Renee Good hit.

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Speaker 2: A ice agent with her car, what was the first

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Speaker 2: because they're trying to push the narrative she's a domestic

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Speaker 2: terrorist that quickly went away because it wasn't connected. You

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Speaker 1: I believe this wholeheartedly.

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Speaker 2: But I think the message should be we are doing

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Speaker 1: And we're not gonna stop.

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Speaker 2: And if they get violence, we're gonna bring ten times

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Speaker 2: and you don't have this. ICE agents work across the country.

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Speaker 2: ICE agents worked under Barack Obama, more deportations under Barack Obama.

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Speaker 2: You had none of this. None of this is about ICE.

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Speaker 2: It is about being anti Trump and wanting to disrupt,

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Speaker 2: The Marxist is feeling emboldened, and they are supported now

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Speaker 2: fully by the Democratic Party, which is Marxist. The end,

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Speaker 2: we don't have to debate it. Certainly we could say

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Speaker 1: We know this to be factual. We have it in

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Speaker 2: The absolute failures of people like Johnson and Pritzker, and

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Speaker 2: we certainly have it in Minnesota with I Love Tieneman Square,

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Speaker 2: I'm the opposite of these people who are saying, you

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Speaker 2: got you gotta slow down, you gotta pull out.

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Speaker 1: What was Megan Kelly saying you pull out everybody?

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Speaker 2: You say, all right, Minnesota, you're a sanctuary state, and

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Speaker 2: no chance of re entry. What a childlike position of

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Speaker 1: It's like, hey, let me just let me just show

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Speaker 1: you how cool I am.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking Trump should pull Ice out of Minnesota today,

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Speaker 2: US are encouraged to move there. If any illegal is found.

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Speaker 1: Outside Minnesota and gets the they can never apply for

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Speaker 2: What a ridiculous thing to say. What a ridiculous thing

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Speaker 2: law applies everywhere but there. That's our system. I don't

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Speaker 2: mind if the people in Minnesota suffer for who they

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Speaker 2: means nothing to me. Now, there are people who live

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Speaker 2: there who didn't do anything wrong are gonna suffer. I

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Speaker 1: She doesn't know this, My god, how is she so damp? Popular?

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Speaker 1: That is ignorant? No, we are either a nation of laws,

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Speaker 2: And I would like to be a nation of laws.

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Speaker 2: I want to see the law applied properly. People who

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Speaker 2: law enforcement. But these Marxist agitators need to be stopped.

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Speaker 2: Illegal immigrants need to be removed from the country, and

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Speaker 2: we should not stop doing that because that is what

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Speaker 2: I voted for. I'm Tony Katz, and this is Tony

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Speaker 2: Katz today.