1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: The only way to bag a classy lady is to 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: give her two tickets to the gun show. 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 2: Monday Gun Day with the gun just watch up with 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 2: the guns. 5 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: They'll get you. 6 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 2: Guy. Stop calling your arms gun show. 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: Second Amendment Attorney Licensed fire Arms instruct their host of 8 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: the Gun Guy Show Saturdays here on ninety three WIBC, 9 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: Guy Relford on the hotline, Guy, how are you? 10 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 2: I am? Great, guys, and thanks as always to our 11 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: sponsor for Monday Gunday. 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The if you could go through some 18 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: of the numbers on crime stats on college campuses, and 19 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: WYATT matters here in Indiana and WHYATT matters everywhere because 20 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: those college campuses, if not all, are gun free zones, 21 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: but the crime numbers occurring on campuses are crazy. 22 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. This really caught my eye and I really wanted 23 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 2: to share it with you guys and your listeners. A 24 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 2: study put out by an organization called safehome dot org 25 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 2: and it was written by a gentleman named Rob Gabrielle 26 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 2: who's a home security expert, and he went out and 27 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 2: compiled statistics on crime and he booke it up by 28 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 2: violent crime, nonviolent crime, and several other categories on college campuses. 29 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 2: And this is a hot button item for me because 30 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: something I've been wanting to see past here in Indiana 31 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: that has passed in some other states is what we 32 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: call a campus carry bill, meaning that if a university 33 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: or college receives any state funding here in Indiana, they 34 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 2: would not be allowed to prohibit guns on campus as 35 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 2: virtually all college campuses today here in Indiana and elsewhere. 36 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 2: And we haven't been able to get that through, we 37 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: haven't been able to get it out of committee. But 38 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 2: these numbers me really drive the importance of this. And 39 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: first of all, even though crime across the US is down, 40 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: murders across the US are down, the overall crime on 41 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: college campuses is up significantly. Looking back on the last 42 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: couple of years, it's up thirteen percent. And here's the 43 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 2: number that just screamed out at me, you know, being 44 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 2: the father of a daughter. Now she's happily out of 45 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 2: college now. But you know that eighty one percent of 46 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 2: college campuses reported a rape in twenty twenty three. This 47 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: is the full year for which we have numbers, eighty 48 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 2: one percent. It's incredible of college has reported a rape 49 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: on campus. And this number just shook me to thirteen 50 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: percent of all US college students. Now this is male 51 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: and female. Thirteen percent of all US college students experience 52 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 2: as sexual assault sometime while at school. So I got 53 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 2: to believe the number is probably pretty close to double that, 54 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 2: or female students or something appreciably higher than that. Anyway, 55 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 2: So you know, you look at all of that and 56 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: say crime is up, violent crime is up. Yet we're 57 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 2: going to prohibit these people who are adults, right, I 58 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 2: mean most people. I'm sure there's the occasional doogie howser 59 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 2: out there, but most people are over eighteen when they 60 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 2: go off and go to school, old enough going to 61 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 2: the military, old enough to you know, operate a tank 62 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 2: or artillery unit. But they're in college, and so they're 63 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: not allowed to carry on campus under penalties s smear's expulsion. 64 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 2: And I've had people call my office very upset that 65 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: that's exactly what happened to them, or staff can be fired, 66 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 2: and you look at these kind of crime numbers, it 67 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: was really disappointing to me that we don't allow this 68 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 2: huge population of Hoosiers or people living temporary, temporarily or 69 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 2: otherwise here in Indiana. We're not going to allow them 70 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 2: to defend themselves while they're going to school. 71 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 3: Would this be able to be changed because the students 72 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 3: are domiciled at the at the college for the duration 73 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 3: of their studentship, because I know, like private businesses such 74 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 3: as malls, of course, can require it to be a 75 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 3: you know, no firearm zone and then you can be 76 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 3: trespassed from the mall or the proper private property if 77 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 3: you violate those terms and conditions. But since this is 78 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 3: a place where these students are asked to reside for 79 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 3: while they're a student at the institution, would there be 80 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 3: a workaround using using that rationale? 81 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure, Ethan. I think that if you know, 82 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: the vast majority, it differs, as you know, dramatically campus 83 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 2: to campus, but a lot of housing is provided by 84 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: the actual university dorms and whatnot, and so I'm sure 85 00:04:55,400 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: they can according to their current policies prohibit fire arms, 86 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: you know, within any property, including where you live that's 87 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 2: located on the campus. Now, if somebody lives off campus 88 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: in an apartment or otherwise, as I did my senior 89 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: year at the PAW, and the university can't tell you 90 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 2: you can't have a gun, you know, in your apartment 91 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 2: or whatever rented house off campus. But they sure can 92 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 2: while you're you know, walking home from the library at 93 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 2: midnight after your study and for finals, as somebody you 94 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: know is lurking on campus looking for a victim. And 95 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: so the fact that they can and do restrict firearms 96 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: on all university property is the problem that, to me, 97 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 2: we really need to address here in Indiana. 98 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: And it's interesting we bring up the subject of living 99 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: in an apartment or a house that's rented because something's 100 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: happening in Tennessee that I mean could have an effect here. 101 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 1: It's relevant here in Indiana. Tennessee is is actually moving 102 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: to prevent landlords from banning guns in their rentals. Can 103 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: you tell us more about that and what the what 104 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: the law is here in Indiana? 105 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, this this caught my eye too when Tennessee just 106 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: passed this law and it's on its way to the 107 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 2: Governor's desk and is expected to be signed into law. 108 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 2: But Tennessee just passed a bill that says landlords cannot 109 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: prohibit guns in rented property. And here with Ethan in 110 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 2: the studio today, he'll be interested in this as he's 111 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 2: a landlord cannot prohibit guns in their rented property, or 112 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 2: at least cannot have a term of their lease agreements 113 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 2: that prohibit guns and their rented property. And this one, 114 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 2: this one will creates a little conflict with me because 115 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: I believe in in property rights as passionately as I 116 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: do about Second Amendment rights. And then one side of 117 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 2: me says, hey, uh, you know, somebody who owns property 118 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 2: out to be able to administer that run, that manage 119 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 2: that as they see fit. It's their property. At the 120 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 2: same time, we're a large personage of landlords in a 121 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 2: given area have as a standard lease term that you 122 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: can't have a gun in the property subject to forfeiting 123 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 2: your lease and defaulting on your list on your lease 124 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 2: and being subject to being kicked out of your home. 125 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 2: Then you know, that's where you got to balance those things. 126 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: But I think where I come out of that, even 127 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: though it's not an easy call for me, because again, 128 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 2: I do respect those property rights as well as man. 129 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 2: I sure like the idea that people shouldn't be prohibited 130 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 2: from possessing a gun in their home, or shouldn't be 131 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 2: limited on their housing options by having to find somewhere 132 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: that doesn't have that provision in their lease. 133 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: What do you think, Ethan, as somebody that owns multiple 134 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: rental properties. 135 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 3: I think this sounds totally fair to me. I don't 136 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 3: have a provision in any of my leases which would 137 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 3: prohibit residents from attaining a firearm. And as a matter 138 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 3: of you know, just personal safety, my assumption going in 139 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 3: is that these people are armed, because why would you 140 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 3: assume otherwise and then present possibly a present of vulnerability 141 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 3: for yourself with that erroneous assumption. 142 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: Wanted to get to this story about the ATF and 143 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: continuing to prosecute people for having those braces, those stabilizing 144 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: braces on their ars or ak style pistols. Why is 145 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: this a big deal and who does it affect? And 146 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: tell us more about what those those braces are. 147 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 2: It is a big deal, and what it is is 148 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: thousands and thousands, I mean hundreds of thousand, if not 149 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 2: in fact ATF I think estimates are something like four 150 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 2: million of these. What they are is, well, let's go 151 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 2: back the NFA. The National Firearms Act requires you to 152 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 2: register a gun as a quote unquote short barreled rifle 153 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: if it has a barrel under sixteen inches and it's 154 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: a rifle meaning a gun designed to be fired from 155 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 2: your shoulder, and you have to register that. You go 156 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: on your gun goes on a registry until January one 157 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 2: this year. It costs you two hundred dollars to do 158 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 2: that as well. But people had shorter barreled firearms that 159 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 2: were legally pistols because they weren't designed to be fired 160 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 2: from the shoulder, but they put these what they call 161 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 2: stabilizing braces on them, which is actually a device designed 162 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 2: to grip around your forearm to help you shoot at 163 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 2: one handed. Really good for handicapped people like veterans who 164 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: had lost limbs and whatnot. But for a long time 165 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: ATF said that was fine, and you could put these 166 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 2: stabilizing braces on and it didn't make it a rifle. 167 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 2: Even though you can take this brace and put it 168 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 2: against your shoulder and kind of use it like a 169 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 2: shoulder stock, and soons millions of millions of people did that. Well, 170 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 2: then here about a year and a half ago, ATF 171 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 2: came out and said, you know what, we changed our mind. 172 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,599 Speaker 2: These are all illegal. And if you put one of 173 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: these things on your rifle and you don't register it 174 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 2: as a short barreled rifle, you put one on your 175 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 2: pistol and don't register it as a short barreled rifle, 176 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 2: now you're a felon and we're going to put you 177 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 2: in jail for ten years. And they published that what 178 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 2: they was called the Final Rule. Well, that final rule 179 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 2: was vacated by a court in Texas and said, no, 180 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 2: this is invalid. You didn't pass it appropriately under the 181 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 2: Federal Administrative Procedures Act, and so the whole thing's invalid. 182 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 2: It's vacated. So a lot of us looked at that 183 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 2: and said, okay, well these things are legal again. Well, AHF, 184 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 2: in a brief that the just filed in a different 185 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 2: case in Texas, came out and said very specifically, we 186 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 2: will continue to prosecute these We didn't need this final 187 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 2: rule that defines what's a short barreled rifle as far 188 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 2: as a firearm with a brace on it. What didn't 189 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: we can go right back to the original terms of 190 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 2: the NFA, and we're going to continue to prosecute people 191 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 2: and put them in jail if they have these braces 192 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: on their rifles. And it's a big deal because I 193 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: was just down the gun show a weekend before last 194 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 2: down the fifteen hundred, a great WIBC sponsor, and they 195 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 2: had guns with pistol braces all over the place being 196 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 2: sold down there, and not as short barreled rifles. So 197 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 2: I wanted to get the heads up on that out 198 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 2: to people. I haven't heard of any cases. Nobody's called me, 199 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 2: and so they've been arrested or secuated. But it's a 200 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 2: big deal. It may be a bluff by ATF just 201 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 2: trying to bully people into not going down that road, 202 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 2: but I wanted to get people a heads up because again, 203 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 2: millions and millions of people, thousands of thousands of people 204 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 2: in Indian app in Indiana rather are affected by this. 205 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 3: How is it How is a pistol brace going to 206 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 3: make any difference? It's not going to make the rounds 207 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 3: more or less lethal, right, I mean. 208 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 2: No, no, no, And the whole short brailed rifle thing, 209 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 2: you know, And it's a great question Ethan in the 210 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 2: in the in the big beautiful bill quote unquote, Uh, 211 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 2: that was just recently passed. There was a promission in 212 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 2: there that took SBR short brailed rifles out of the 213 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 2: NFA altogether. That would have just done away with all 214 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 2: this crap. But but unfortunately that got taken out in 215 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 2: instead they just reduced the tack to zero. But you 216 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 2: still have to go through the registration process. Hey day, 217 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 2: you guys have go ahead. I'm sorry, no, go ahead. 218 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, if you got just a very 219 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 2: short time for for uh to go back a little bit. 220 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 2: There was one school in Indiana that was actually number 221 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 2: seven in the country for crime on college campuses. Number 222 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 2: seven in the country, highest in Indiana. And I'll give 223 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 2: you a hint, it's not one you would ordinarily guess 224 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 2: what what college do you think has the highest amount 225 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 2: of crime per capita? So it's not it's reduced based 226 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 2: on population. 227 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: We get about thirty seconds left, i'd say, I you 228 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: I don't know Ethan. 229 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 2: You Indy notre Dame, believe it or not. 230 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: Wow, Now there's some rough there's some rough areas around 231 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: that campus for sure. 232 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. That just shocked me. That's not. I wouldn't take 233 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 2: the good Catholics at Notre Dame with the committing crimes 234 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 2: up there, but that was interesting. I wanted to throw 235 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 2: that out there. 236 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 1: Indiana needs campus carry sooner rend later. Where where could 237 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: people find you guys. 238 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 2: Really at the office is go through Ralford law dot com. 239 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 2: It's Relford Law dot com. 240 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: Thanks for calling, man, great talking to you. Monday Day 241 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: it's a Hammer and Nigel Show.