1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: Twenty one people, Casey, Yeah, twenty one. 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 2: That's that's like a magic number, Rob, good. 3 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 3: Morning, out of three million. Yeah, they found twenty one people, 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 3: that's true. 5 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 2: It's Kendily Casey. By the way, Yes, that's Rob. I'm Casey. 6 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 2: I took your line. 7 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah. 8 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 3: Now it's going to be today, and if you're watching 9 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 3: us of the YouTube, you will see us a little 10 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 3: later on in the program. 11 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: Nod you freak out, we're here. 12 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 3: We're here, but don't freak out that you're There's all 13 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 3: sorts of things going on in this building today. 14 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 2: We're huddling by a space here this morning. 15 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: That's what we're doing. 16 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 3: All sorts of things being as we're approaching this move 17 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 3: and all things being moved around. So we are here. 18 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 3: You are hearing us, but don't forge out if you 19 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 3: don't see our picture. You will see us later later day. 20 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 3: But yes, the big news yesterday Todd Rokita and Diego 21 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 3: Morales better known as Chuckleheads Incorporated. 22 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: Okay, they had an announcement yesterday, Casey. 23 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: Well, that's how many cases of voter fraud they found 24 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: after you know, twenty one three million, after a big investigation, right, Yes, 25 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 2: twenty one total non citizens. 26 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: So I love this. 27 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 3: So indies are is a big explosay on this. So 28 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 3: Morales and Raketa. Raketa is the Attorney General. Morales is 29 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 3: the Secretary of State. 30 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: I beg for India pay. I had some guy tell 31 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: me yesterday. He goes. 32 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 3: I was talking to him on the phone. He goes, hey, man, 33 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 3: I know this is super weird. He goes, can you 34 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 3: just do I pay for India? 35 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: Real quick? You get requests for pay. I beg for 36 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: India IP pay. 37 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 3: Diego Morales Secretary of State and Todd Raketa. And my 38 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,839 Speaker 3: new thing now for all the Diego defenders is about 39 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 3: think of course his we're referencing this trip to India 40 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 3: that he took earlier this year where he refuses to 41 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 3: tell anyone who paid for it. And then once he 42 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 3: got called out, he started shouting emphatically I paid, but 43 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 3: won't show any proof that he paid. Correct anyway, And 44 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 3: what I'm started telling people is he doesn't have to 45 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 3: tell anybody. Bo Bie will tell us very soon well 46 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 3: who's paid possibility, and that'll be way more from than 47 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 3: Diego telling us. Anyway, they had this big investigation that 48 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 3: they launched. Morales and Rokita into voter rolls. We're going 49 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 3: to purge humanity of all of these illegal aliens who 50 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 3: are part of the election process. 51 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: M hm. 52 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 3: And in a state in which roughly I believe it's 53 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 3: three million ish people cast ballots, they found twenty one. 54 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 2: I've got the exact numbers here. Actually it was out 55 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: of four point nine million Hoosiers eligible telligible to vote. Okay, sure, 56 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: you had one point seven voted Republican, which was thirty 57 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: five percent. Yes, one point one six million voted Democrat, 58 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 2: twenty four percent, ninety thousand voted for others, which was 59 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 2: two percent. One point nine million didn't vote at all. 60 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 3: Okay, so there were there were, but of the actual 61 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 3: people who voted. Now, this this little thing, this thing 62 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 3: they put out because they always put this out like 63 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 3: like it's some sort of Rockford Files investigation, right, like 64 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 3: they they found twenty one people. But they will tell you, 65 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 3: I don't even see anything that said the time frame. 66 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 3: I don't even think this was just one election. I 67 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 3: don't think this was like, hey, last year, whereas you're 68 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 3: reading the date on I think this is over a 69 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 3: period of time. They found twenty one people with four 70 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 3: point nine is that the number four point nine million 71 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 3: people eligible before? 72 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: Yes, four point nine million eligible, Okay, voute so. 73 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 3: And then and then people, of course always they just 74 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 3: and later on the program we were going to get 75 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 3: to this conversation station I had with someone the other 76 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 3: day about why people get so outraged when we are 77 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 3: mean to Republicans like this is the This was a 78 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 3: conversation I was fascinating, but it was very insightful how 79 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 3: people are. But of course it's already started where I 80 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 3: just simply said, okay, so you huffed and you puffed, 81 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 3: you you presented, because there always have to be a boogeyman. 82 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 3: These politicians, Republicans, Democrats, they're both this way. They live 83 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 3: off the idea of you're getting screwed and only I 84 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 3: can fix the you getting screwed, and they move from 85 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 3: one thing to the next once they've addressed the one, 86 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 3: as you okay, now there's a new boogeyman, and you 87 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 3: need me. Your life is ruined and you need me, 88 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 3: And if I'm not here, it's just going to stay 89 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 3: in a case of in a state of continual. 90 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: Decay, justifying their existence totally, absolutely so. 91 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 3: As all these particularly legals are voting they're screwing the 92 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 3: election sism and I said from the beginning, as long 93 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 3: as you have voter ID, which Indiana does, it's all 94 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 3: most impossible to quote unquote rig an election. And it's 95 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 3: very hard to illegally vote. And when you factor in 96 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 3: that they found twenty one people, that's it at a 97 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 3: four point nine. That's not a rounding error. It's not 98 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 3: an anomaly. It's a spec It's like an irrelevance. It's 99 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 3: unseen speck of dust, grain of sand on the beach, 100 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it. And these people, because 101 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 3: I put up on social media, said well how much 102 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 3: did this cost? 103 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: Oh? 104 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: Yes? 105 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 3: And then the same people who will bitch about the taxes, 106 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 3: they'll bitch about the inflation, they'll bitch about the spinning. 107 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: Well, doesn't matter what it costs. They found them, didn't they? 108 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty one twenty one? 109 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 3: And I said, so now you're mad that I'm simply 110 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 3: asking what did this cost in terms of a return 111 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 3: on investment, because you could theoretically say, if cost doesn't matter, 112 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 3: well you put a cop on every corner. You could 113 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 3: dramatically decrease crime. Why don't we do that? Because it's 114 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 3: cost prohibitive. And when you've got guys like Diego Morales, 115 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 3: who not that long ago, unless my memory is fading, 116 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 3: just came back to the budget committee asking for more money. 117 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: That's true. 118 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 3: Saying I need more money to do my job than 119 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 3: the cost does matter because he was saying you didn't 120 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 3: have money to do his job. 121 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 2: He hires the best. 122 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: I hired the best. I bey for India hop Bay. 123 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 2: Twenty one total non citizens managed to cast a ballot 124 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 2: across an undefined number of elections in our state bingo 125 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: four point sixty seven million registered voters. So there's four 126 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 2: point nine eligible, four point sixty seven million registered, and 127 00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 2: that is equivalent to point zero zero zero seven percent 128 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 2: of the ballots. The only MASSI fraud here is the 129 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 2: claim that there's MASSI. 130 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 3: Fraud, absolutely and the fact that they won't tell you 131 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 3: what it costs him. Don't tell me it's part of 132 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 3: somebody was what I forget the well, it's part of 133 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 3: already appropriated money. 134 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 1: No, it's not. Diego just came back asking for more money. 135 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 3: So clearly he blew through all the money and apparently 136 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 3: he was using it on stuff like this. 137 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: Look, I am all for. 138 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 3: Voter ID I am all for safe and secure elections. 139 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 3: I'm all for the processes. But when you like, they knew, 140 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 3: these guys know when they started this, they knew there's 141 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 3: not thousands or even hundreds of illegal people casting ballots 142 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,119 Speaker 3: in our elections because we have voter ID. That's why 143 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 3: the voter idea is so important. It's part of the reason. Casey, 144 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 3: do you know who was the original champion of voter 145 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 3: ID and who was the Secretary of State? 146 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 2: Oh it was Todd Roketos in general, right. 147 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it was Casey. That's true. 148 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 3: And these guys know this, but they have to justify 149 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 3: their existence, and it gives them to a reason to abloviate. 150 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 3: It gives them a reason to deflect. It gives them 151 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 3: the reason to think, oh, I'm so glad Todd Rokeita's here, 152 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 3: I'm so glad Diego's here. And the same people who 153 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 3: bitch about the money and the spending and the irresponsible 154 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 3: government if it's the thing they like. Once again, yeah, 155 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 3: we're consistent, but we become the bad guys. 156 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 2: I'm really curious how did the twenty one total non 157 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 2: citizens manage to cast ballots? 158 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: Like, how did they do that? Well, they probably walked 159 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: in and said. 160 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 4: I vote. 161 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 2: I vote an election. Okay, So now what you're going 162 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: to see is the Secretary of State, Diego Morales, turn 163 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: this into a big win. 164 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: Look what I did. I found it. 165 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: We investigated, and I found the twenty one. 166 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, so let's take a break. When we 167 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 3: come back, we're switching things up a little bit. Like 168 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 3: I said, things are at a whack this morning. But 169 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 3: Nicki Kelly, who always joins us on Thursday normally ten fifteen, 170 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 3: she's going to join us next from the Indiana Capitol Chronicle. 171 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 3: We'll talk about the latest on redistricting. We got a 172 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: big announcement yesterday from one of the senators not running again. 173 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 3: We'll get to all that coming up next. 174 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: Kennilelly Casey on ninety three WIBC. 175 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: There's a lot going on on down the street of 176 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: Bus Washington. 177 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, there is actually redistricting full force. 178 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: And now there's all sorts of people resigning. 179 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, all sorts of things happening with redistricting and because 180 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 3: of redistricting. 181 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: Let's get to the bottom of all of it. 182 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 3: One of the best in the business joins us now 183 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 3: from the Indiana Capitol chronicled Nikki Kelly, Hello. 184 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 4: Good morning. 185 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 3: Okay, so the House is what are they voting today 186 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 3: or tomorrow on redistricting? Do we know the schedule? 187 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, they're doing second reading amendments today, so we're kind 188 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 4: of waiting to see what amendments have been filed and 189 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 4: we'll be discussed and passed or defeated, and then they'll 190 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 4: have a final vote in the House tomorrow. Yeah. 191 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 2: I was wondering about that. Amendments, So you're not sure 192 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 2: if there are any or what they're about. 193 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 4: I'm sure there will be. None are posted yet they 194 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 4: usually post them. I think you're required to file them 195 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 4: like up to two hours before session, so I think 196 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 4: they usually post them right then. 197 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 3: So nobody reads any of this stuff and there's no 198 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 3: way you could read it and process it and do 199 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 3: the full vetting. 200 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 2: They just throw it up when they have the second reading. 201 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 1: Okay, Just am I wrong on that? Like they get 202 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: two hours to read and process? 203 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 4: Well, I mean as they're coming in. Usually the staffs 204 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 4: will create on each side, the Republicans and Democrats will 205 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 4: create like Amendments seven does this. Then there'll be a 206 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 4: summary kind of thing, and so that usually because the 207 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 4: attorneys can see them, It's just that the public can't 208 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 4: see them. 209 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 3: Well Rod, right, sorry, Okay, So do you have a 210 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 3: theory on why the House is so for it and 211 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 3: the Senate at least will use the term hesitant like 212 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 3: it's it's like, it's so different. Do you're at the 213 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 3: State House all the time? Nobody knows these people better 214 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 3: than you. Why are they viewing this so differently? 215 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 4: I think part of it is just the nature of 216 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 4: having four year election terms and the House constantly being 217 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 4: in election mode for every two years. You know, a 218 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 4: lot of them are younger and more tied to the 219 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 4: sort of Trump Maga wing in the House than they 220 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 4: are in the Senate too. 221 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 3: Do you have a feeling that the House seems pretty 222 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 3: clear they're going to vote to approve this new map? 223 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 3: Do you This has been the question we ask all 224 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 3: of our media friends this week. Do you have a 225 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 3: feeling on what the Senate is going to do next week? 226 00:10:55,400 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 4: It's really a complete, you know, coin flip. At this point, 227 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 4: I have not heard that they have the vote. I 228 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 4: think they're close to either having them or Jaffinia. It's 229 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 4: that close. And also, you know a lot of people say, well, 230 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 4: they only need twenty five because they have Micah beckw 231 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 4: With lieutenant governor, who can vote. But even if one 232 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 4: person is absent, Micah Beckwith is out of the equation 233 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 4: because you need twenty six. You have to have a 234 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 4: constitutional majority. So if it's twenty four to twenty four, 235 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 4: his vote doesn't matter. 236 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 3: The best thing for humanity on any topic would be 237 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 3: for Micah Beckwith to be out of the equation. 238 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: So maybe that would maybe that would work out well 239 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: for all of us. 240 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 3: Okay, so there were Nicki kellervin the Capitol Chronicle, joins us, 241 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 3: joins us. Now is Bray actively lobbying on this? Rod 242 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 3: Bray the pro tim of the Senate. Obviously he's against 243 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 3: it and has not wanted to do this. Do you 244 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 3: get the feeling that he is talking to his caucus 245 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 3: about this or is he just like, do whatever you 246 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 3: want to do and it goes forward, it goes forward. 247 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 4: I think they're having conversations, but I don't think he's 248 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 4: pressuring either way. You know, I think he knows where 249 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 4: he stands and he's going to let his caucus come 250 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 4: to their own conclusions, which is kind of how he's operated, 251 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 4: you know, the entire time he's been in the lead. 252 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 4: Occasionally he has stepped in on a bill to move 253 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 4: it to a different committee if it's not moving or 254 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 4: something like that. But he's not a very you know, 255 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 4: I don't know. He doesn't impose his will on his 256 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 4: caucus as some leaders do. 257 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 2: Do you think that this bill will get out of 258 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 2: committee in the Senate? 259 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 4: Oh, it's going to be tight, and it kind of 260 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 4: depends which committee they send it to. Oh yeah, I 261 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 4: don't know yet. And it's very exciting, honestly, because covering 262 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 4: two supermajorities, you pretty much know before any vote comes 263 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 4: up how it's going to go. So from a journalistic 264 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 4: perspective of just being not sure and we could be 265 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 4: surprised either way. You know, that's kind of fascinating. 266 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 2: It's kind of fun for her, I mean a little bit. 267 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, if I got to work in December, 268 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 4: at least make it fun. Yeah. 269 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 3: Nikki Kelly from the Capital Chronicles are a Capital Chronicles, 270 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 3: our guests. So the guy who carried the bill, Smalls 271 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 3: in the House admitted, Yeah, this is purely political and 272 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 3: can you walk through what Look, there's two sides of this, right, 273 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 3: he did this that for legal reasons, but from the 274 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 3: public perspective, like, that's a horrible thing to say out loud. 275 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 3: Can you walk through why they're hanging their hat on 276 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 3: this phrase that they're using, that it was for political 277 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 3: purposes or whatever they're saying, because it's a horrible pr 278 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 3: thing to say, but there's there's legally there they're. 279 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 4: Doing that, right, Yeah, the US Supreme Court has recently 280 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 4: upheld parties in jerrymanderin they've said, look, if it's to 281 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 4: advantage your party, that's not illegal. And so they're trying 282 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 4: to you know, I guess, you know, calm the waters 283 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 4: and control any litigation by saying, yep, it's purely political. 284 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 4: That's what we're doing. Obviously, if there's going to be 285 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 4: a challenge, it's going to be on you know, whether 286 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 4: it's racial jaronmandering, especially with the cutting up of the 287 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 4: seventh district, and so they're they're saying, nope, nope, not 288 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 4: for that where it's over here for partisan. But you know, 289 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 4: then when you look into how you know, African American 290 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 4: voters vote, you know they're they're certainly tied. 291 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 3: Uh Okay, before I let you go some non redistricting stuff, 292 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 3: this thing got a lot of traction that Danny Lopez. 293 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 3: He is a state rep from with a Carmel area right. 294 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 3: He introduced a bill that would change how lieutenant governors 295 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 3: are selected in the state of Indiana, taking them away 296 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 3: from the Convention delegates giving them to the governor. This 297 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 3: has sparked a lot of feelings on both sides on this. 298 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 3: Does this bill have a chance to move forward or 299 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 3: is it was this this like I'm doing this to 300 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 3: make a statement type of thing. 301 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's got a shot. I think a 302 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 4: similar bill was introduced last year as well. So, you know, 303 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 4: a lot of people were bothered by the fact that 304 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:17,359 Speaker 4: the governor did not get his own choice for lugenic governor. 305 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: Especially the governor. 306 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know, I think it's I think it's 307 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 4: got a fair shot. 308 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 2: Did you want to ask her about Senator Kyle Walker? 309 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I was gonna get you out of here 310 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 3: on on this. There have been now multiple people in 311 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 3: the Senate announced their resignations. You would assume they're in 312 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 3: some way tied to the ridiculous threats they've been getting 313 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 3: over redistricting. 314 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: Kyle Walker is the newest one. Now. 315 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 3: He's fascinating because he's what business partners with Marty Orbst. 316 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: Who is the fair maps guy. 317 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 3: Who's the pro redistricting he'st Kyle Walker's come out against redistricts. 318 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: What's that not anymore? 319 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,239 Speaker 4: He has responded from most strategies. 320 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this is like a fascinating story. I mean, 321 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 3: so just real quick while we got Nick on the phone. 322 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 3: So Kyle Walker's state center Fisher's area, I believe northern 323 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 3: part of Marion County. And he's also was you're right, Nikki, 324 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 3: thank you business partners with Marty orb So I had 325 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 3: the fun little twitter spat with over the last last 326 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 3: several days. 327 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: Who's the fair maps guy? And right, you're right, Nikk. 328 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 3: He just he announced only was he not running for 329 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 3: reelection to the Senate, Kyle Walker, but he stepped down 330 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 3: from MO strategies. 331 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 4: Yep, that came lee yesterday. A bit of a surprise. Now, 332 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 4: some of the other people who would who had already 333 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 4: announced they're not seeking reelection before the registricting fight kind 334 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 4: of heat it up. But this one is obviously right 335 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 4: in the you know, the middle of it, and it's 336 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 4: hard not to see that it might be related. 337 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 3: Okay, we asked, well, I was gonna say, we ask 338 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 3: all of our media friends this and we ask you. 339 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 3: We've asked you this for many weeks. Now next week 340 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 3: we may know by the time we talk. Will there 341 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 3: be a vote on redistricting in this Senate? And if so, 342 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 3: what will it be. 343 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 4: I think there will be a vote, but I honestly 344 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 4: cannot tell you what it'll be. I think either way 345 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 4: it's going to be a one to two vote margin, 346 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 4: but it could go either way. 347 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 3: All right, Very good, Nikki Kelly, Indiana Capitol Chronicle dot com. 348 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you. 349 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 2: You're listening to Kenvile and Casey on ninety three WYBC. 350 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 5: Casey. 351 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 3: We hear a lot of conversations these days about the 352 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 3: fair maps. 353 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: A lot of people say, well, there is no such 354 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: thing as a fair map. 355 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 3: Our next guest says, there was once upon a time 356 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 3: a very high profile elected official who's now all four 357 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 3: rigging the maps? 358 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 2: Irict Oh that's right, yes, yes, yes, it's kennl the 359 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 2: Casey you're on, Rob Casey's here. 360 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: Chris Spangle joins us, Now, how are you today? 361 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 5: Thank you for having me. 362 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 3: Friend of humanity with the Chris Spangles show, host, podcaster, 363 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 3: and I think most importantly, Indiana historian Chris Spangle, and 364 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 3: you have been all over social media because Tod Roketty, 365 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 3: the Attorney General, he is all on board with the 366 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 3: rigging of these maps to favor the Republicans. 367 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: And part of the thing is, well, it's all political. 368 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 3: Now, ELLINOI did it, California did it, course, ignoring the 369 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 3: the Republican states of the Yeah. But you were pointing 370 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 3: out that when he was Secretary of State, he literally 371 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 3: went out of his way to create fair maps. 372 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: Tell us about it. 373 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 6: Yeah, he worked with the Brennan Center to create something 374 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 6: called Rethinking Redistricting. And at the time, I was the 375 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 6: executive director of the Libertarian Party of Indiana, and so 376 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 6: this is about twenty ten, and he put together this 377 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 6: plan that drew fair maps that like basically respected the 378 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 6: consent of the government as outlined by you know, the Constitution, 379 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 6: the founding. So he was very in line with it. 380 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: So this like early artificial intelligence, right, so exactly. 381 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, and so they drew these lines and I've got that. 382 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 6: So the funny thing is this document that I have 383 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 6: disappeared from the Secretary of State website. When Charlie White 384 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 6: became the Secretary of State. Now he got into some 385 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 6: legal trouble and had to go quick. He did a 386 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 6: fraction of what of what Diego has done, and they 387 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 6: put him in jail for it. And the thing is 388 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 6: this was a moment of bravery for Todd because when 389 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 6: he redrew these maps, it ticked off every single one 390 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 6: of the State House and state senators. And I'd heard 391 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 6: at the time that that's why he couldn't run for 392 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 6: Senate in twenty twelve. 393 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 3: And Jim Merritt told us about this the other day 394 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 3: that he said, oh yeah, I was livid that he 395 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 3: drew these. So he used essentially right, the parameters you're 396 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 3: supposed to use in terms of the legal sense, right right, 397 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 3: like there is a what courts have upheld, right. 398 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 6: And you have the doctor, I have the document. And 399 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 6: so here's what Todd raketa under his signature. You can 400 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 6: see it on my Facebook page. Chris Spangle include no 401 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 6: political data, keep communities of interest together, create districts that 402 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 6: are more impact in geographical uniform and maintain population balance. 403 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 5: And in the in the. 404 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 6: Preamble, he's basically says, you know, our democratic system is important. 405 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 5: We need to make sure that we respect these communities. 406 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 6: We need to make sure that every voice is heard, 407 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 6: and the idea that this is new and political is 408 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 6: not true. Patrick Henry jerry mandered James Madison in a 409 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 6: district James Madison won by a hare for his first 410 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 6: congressional seat. So this has been going on since the 411 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 6: beginning of the country. One of the founders of the 412 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 6: signers of the Declaration, Elbridge, Gary, is named jerry. 413 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 5: Mandering is named after him. 414 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 6: So the idea that there's some sort of emergency is 415 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 6: not true because the maps that they ended up going 416 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 6: with didn't respect what Todd Raketa and I sort of wonder. 417 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 6: I had a good relationship with Todd. I still like 418 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 6: him as a person. I know you know him, I do, 419 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 6: and you like him I do. Are you feeling okay, Yes, 420 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 6: but I'm I'm I sort of wonder if he did 421 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 6: the right thing, paid a price, and then decided I'm 422 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 6: never going to do that politically again. 423 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 3: That's such a great point, Chris Bangle. I just I 424 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 3: just say, you're in Indiana his story, and I really 425 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 3: mean that, Like, I'm not trying to be sarcastic. I 426 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 3: think I think people nerd is the you know, the 427 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 3: history of this state. We're talking about these fair maps 428 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 3: that Rokita Todd Rokeita, then Secretary of State now the 429 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 3: Attorney General put out in twenty ten. Can you tell 430 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,959 Speaker 3: us how the maps kind of looked like, I mean, 431 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 3: where they compact? 432 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: Were they very blocky? 433 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 6: They you know in the document which you again can 434 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 6: find on my Facebook page, or you can google Rethinking 435 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 6: Redistricting Libertarian Party of Indiana and you'll find you'll find 436 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,479 Speaker 6: the maps that way where this document exists. But Marion 437 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 6: County was one giant block within Marion County except for 438 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 6: a sliver of like Perry Township, Franklin Township, and they 439 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 6: put that in the sixth you had the first district 440 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 6: was a block. Everything was a block. All the state 441 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 6: houses were blocks. And they went by the formula of 442 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 6: adding two house districts in one Senate district, so your 443 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 6: House member and your Senate member would all work together 444 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 6: and be in the same area, as opposed to independently 445 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 6: gerrymandered to make sure people like Craig Haggard, for instance, 446 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 6: is paying the price in this. And I sort of 447 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 6: wonder if if Bray did this to draw the craziest 448 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 6: maps possible so they'll vote against it by making the 449 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 6: most amount of people mad. 450 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 3: Because we say, a couple of minutes left here with 451 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 3: Chris Spangle, we've said the case and I've been saying this, 452 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 3: that the representative is just supposed to be just that 453 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 3: represent like minded people, like minded communities, not political parties, 454 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 3: but like minded communities. That's all gone in these maps. 455 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, when you look at what the founders said about redistricting, 456 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 6: they were very worried about majorities taking over, factions taking over, 457 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 6: and drawing maps in a way that would become tyrannical. 458 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 6: And I think when you detach yourself from the Founding 459 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 6: idea of the consent of the governed, you start to 460 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 6: tiptoe into tyranny. In two thousand and four, thirty five 461 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 6: percent of eligible voters voted Republican, twenty four Democrat, two 462 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 6: percent other, and thirty nine percent didn't vote. And so 463 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 6: you've got thirty five percent of eligible voters now saying 464 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 6: there is a ninety nine percent chance we're gonna win 465 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 6: all nine districts. That's tyrannical. And so if you believe 466 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 6: in the Founding, if you are a patriot, you have 467 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 6: to oppose this bill. 468 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 2: How did the maps differ the new maps that they're 469 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 2: discussing now from the ones back that Todd Roketa drew. 470 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 6: I mean if you I posted it to Twitter, but 471 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 6: you can, you can see it. It's it's night and 472 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 6: day right Like the new maps that were just proposed 473 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 6: look like Illinois. 474 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 5: So we're making Illinois great again by doing this. 475 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 6: I mean, it's you you instead of Marion County now 476 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 6: touching the western border the southern border. I live in 477 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 6: downtown Indianapolis. There's not a lot in common between here 478 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 6: and Madison in where I live. And the idea that 479 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 6: we go from the White River to Brookville Lake is crazy. 480 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 5: That didn't happen in the old maps. 481 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 3: Where can people find you if they want to find 482 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 3: this document and show once upon a time, as we've 483 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 3: said numerous times, the voter id this stuff. Roketa was 484 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 3: a very decent, productive member of society. And I don't 485 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 3: know if we suffered a head injury or what, but 486 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 3: something happened. Where can they find you and all of this? 487 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, go to Chrispangle dot com. I'll put the maps 488 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 6: in the document up there and you can find it 489 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 6: that way. 490 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 1: Chrisspangle dot com. What a treat to see you in person. 491 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: It's good to see you too. 492 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 2: You're listening to Kendall and Case. It's ninety three WIBC.