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Speaker 1: My name is Nigel. That's Jason Hammer right over there

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Speaker 1: with the very special guests on the.

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Speaker 2: Hotline, Kevin Bowen, part of the morning show at our

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Speaker 2: sister sports station one oh seven to five. The fan

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Speaker 2: and listen. I know everybody's upset about the officials, and

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Speaker 2: that's why the Colts lost. And Kevin, I'm sick and

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Speaker 2: tired of being sick and tired of Shane Steike and

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Speaker 2: trying to be the smartest guy in the room. Fourth

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Speaker 2: and one in the red zone. You've got a Hall

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Speaker 2: how I feel about Shane Steiken getting too cute at

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Coach Vanderry had several lines that had me laughing.

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Speaker 3: Way too cute, way too cute for me. A tight

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Speaker 2: And since I'm ripped Shane Stike and guy here, I'll

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Speaker 4: What do you think I think they will get in.

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Speaker 3: I'm heavily biased, and my hand is raised as I

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Speaker 3: share this info to you. I think the eye tests

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Speaker 3: when you watch Notre Dame and I get the eye

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Speaker 3: test as a weird is a little bit weird to say,

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Speaker 3: but I think they look like one of the top

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Speaker 3: ten teams in the nation. They've won tenth trade by

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Speaker 3: an average of thirty points. Obviously two you know, very

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Speaker 3: tough losses to great teams to start the season, and

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Speaker 3: I think they've grown a lot since then. I also

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Speaker 3: note this, and you know I hate committees as much

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Speaker 3: as anyone else, but on the selection committee there are

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Speaker 3: four former college football coaches. It's not just all athletic directors.

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Speaker 3: Why do they have that because they want these coaches

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Speaker 3: to evaluate the team's I test wise, for a reason,

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Speaker 3: you can't tell me watching Notre Dame over the last

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Speaker 3: two and a half months, they're not one of the

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Speaker 3: best end teams in the nation.

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Speaker 2: What's coming up on your big show tomorrow?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we got Rick Carlisle at eight paces one two

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Speaker 3: in a row, so we'll see them get a third

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Speaker 3: one tonight's here as they the Cleveland Cavaliers in town

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Speaker 3: Cleveland off the back to back and then we're gonna

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Speaker 3: get to the big ten people in the show this week.

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Speaker 3: I know a lot of people again have asked about okay,

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Speaker 3: take up prices, you know, a lot minute tickets all that.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have that conversation because it's a hot button

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Speaker 3: topic here with Indiana and Ohio state on Saturday night.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Bowen one oh seven five de fan KB, thank you,

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Speaker 2: Thanks guys, It's the Hammer and Nigel Show.