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Speaker 1: Casey, I have a big announcement.

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Speaker 2: Oh you do, what is it?

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Speaker 1: I hope everyone's sitting down for this.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I am Kim is Kevin sitting.

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Speaker 3: Kim is a great shock to me. And I had

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Speaker 3: to read this several times and then process it on

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Speaker 3: my own. So you may want to if you're traveling

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Speaker 3: down the road at any sort of high rate of speed,

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Speaker 3: make sure both hands are on your steering wheel if

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Speaker 3: you're by yourself. Just just I hate to say this

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Speaker 3: out loud because it's come as as just a just

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Speaker 3: a real kick in the gut to me.

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Speaker 1: I think the governor's a liar. That's the big announcement.

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Speaker 2: Shocker, what someone in your government lied to you?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 1: I think he's got a serious problem with lying.

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Speaker 2: And what are you referring to?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: I mean I was going to say, is there something specifical?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 3: Just about so our friends at the Capitol Chronicle, they're

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Speaker 3: the real MVPs of yesterday and today because they've done

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Speaker 3: several great pieces. But Braun has this media availability, press conference,

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Speaker 3: whatever you want to call in. Mike Broun, the governor

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Speaker 3: of the state of Indiana, and he gets asked about

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Speaker 3: a variety of things. And one of the things that

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Speaker 3: he gets asked about is this property tax reform bill,

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Speaker 3: which is universally load by any person that doesn't make

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Speaker 3: their existence in that state house. I mean, you can't

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Speaker 3: find on totally opposite sides of the aisle. People hate

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Speaker 3: it for a variety of different reasons, but it's the

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Speaker 3: most perfect government bill because it managed to solve zero

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Speaker 3: issues and piss everyone off.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so the law delivers minimal savings to homeowners but

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Speaker 4: also creates these major budget shortfalls everywhere else.

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Speaker 3: And so he gets asked about this yesterday because there

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Speaker 3: was a Capital Chronicle, a big article about these local

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Speaker 3: governments who are saying, look, now, this is my description

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Speaker 3: of this, not theirs, but because we don't save any money,

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Speaker 3: and we just spend oblivion and we bond based on

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Speaker 3: the gravy train is going to run out at some point.

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Speaker 3: We got to stash a few nuts away for a

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Speaker 3: long winter. These local governments now are very upset because

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Speaker 3: with the short term impact to their revenue. We don't

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Speaker 3: say cuts, you don't say lost, because they're still infinitely

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Speaker 3: Don't ever let a local government person talk about, whether

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Speaker 3: money they lost. They didn't lose anything. It's not missing.

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Speaker 3: It just went back some of it, a fraction of

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Speaker 1: But I will.

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Speaker 3: But because we can't manage our money properly now it's

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Speaker 3: Notice they never stop about talking. They never talk about

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Speaker 3: stopping the spending. It's just how do we borrow more

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Speaker 3: the governor had promised in his campaign. And the reality

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Speaker 3: is within four to five years, you're going to probably

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Speaker 3: see yourself with higher property taxes because they're not addressing assessments,

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Speaker 3: and there now are numerous other local taxes which will

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Speaker 3: Like nobody on either side of the aisle, whether you're

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Speaker 3: too long. We got to do something. Nobody likes this bill.

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Speaker 3: And in our famous last supper that Broun and I

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Speaker 3: Of course, lieutenant governor was saying nothing, because he later

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Speaker 3: coming back for more. Correct you wait till next year. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And I told him, I said, what are those things?

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Speaker 3: then since because again he's admitted to Varios people. He

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Speaker 3: He's he said out loud, they're coming back for more.

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Speaker 3: This is the opening shot. Well, yesterday, Braun at this

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Speaker 3: special session, would you be willing to do something? Would

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Speaker 3: you be willing to be You've heard from all sides.

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Speaker 3: Would you be willing to make changes? You know what?

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Speaker 1: He said, smooch my butt cheeks.

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Speaker 3: Nothing's changing because quote, generally taxpayers are happy with the

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Speaker 4: It, and that's the message they have been putting out.

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Speaker 4: I'm really wondering. I'm curious if there are some GOP

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Speaker 2: Well, they don't want to be kicked out of the club.

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Speaker 3: Well, look, we're going to have Ed Delaney, Democrat State

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Speaker 3: support a special session to fix the property tax bill. Right,

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Speaker 3: And I'm going to ask him what percentage of the

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Speaker 3: thinks not only read the bill but understand it because

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Speaker 3: we asked We've asked various state reps about this clean

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Speaker 3: be fifteen, right. So you have people who have no

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Speaker 1: In the whole process, Braun.

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Speaker 3: Has admitted numerous times, including those, well, I don't even

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Speaker 3: they were very well meaning, but just getting deceived. People

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Speaker 3: but they keep doubling down on this guy no matter

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Speaker 3: so I don't even know if you can say that's

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Speaker 1: He's great, we trust him.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be wonderful. He was supposedly telling those people, Oh,

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Speaker 3: I've got an ace up my sleep. We're coming back

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Speaker 2: But now he's like, are they going to address the assessments?

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Speaker 1: Nothing?

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Speaker 2: Is that the ace of his sleep casey.

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Speaker 3: Taxpayers generally are happy with the results.

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Speaker 4: Really, and you know what, woo, if he just keeps

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Speaker 4: saying it, maybe you'll believe it.

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Speaker 2: It's think he's trying to convince himself.

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Speaker 3: I just it is the pathological level of lying by

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Speaker 3: wants you to believe now that he's he's so concerned

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Speaker 3: a raid beyar. But sir, just during the legislative session,

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Speaker 3: electric creates. No, I'm very concerned about you and what

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Speaker 3: you're going like. I I mean, I would say, I

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Speaker 3: these politicians, certainly the people who rise to the level

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Speaker 3: Mike Braun is a career politician. He did the same process.

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Speaker 3: We can cut this outsider crap. He went through the

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Speaker 3: he elevated himself one step at a time from school

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Speaker 3: board to state rep. To senator to governor. He's a

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Speaker 3: and he is lying once again. Now why anybody would

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Speaker 3: You can't trust anything he says, and he sucks at

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Speaker 3: his job. That's the biggest part of it. I can

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Speaker 3: these people lie, but the idea that not only is

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Speaker 1: So you're getting nothing.

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Speaker 2: Casey, No, and I'm supposed to be happy about it.

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Speaker 2: But here's the good news. Rob Indiana is good for business.

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Speaker 1: Yes, if you're a megacorp, it's great for you.

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Speaker 3: If you're Google or Meta, yeah, there's a reason you

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Speaker 3: want to come here because they're gonna they're gonna take

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Speaker 1: And give it to them.

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Speaker 4: I always love when I used to hear. But it's

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Speaker 4: a great place to raise a family, great.

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Speaker 2: Place to raise a business.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's ponder that for a second as we go

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Speaker 3: much these statewide office holders spent on travel. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: this is fascinating. But let's ponder this. What is the

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Speaker 3: compelling reason to move to Indiana?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what, the median income has dropped, let's

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Speaker 1: I don't want to know. Let's take a break.

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Speaker 3: Let everybody ponder in their cars or their homes for

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Speaker 3: the next four or five minutes. What is the compelling

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Speaker 3: to Indiana because.

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Speaker 4: Blank, okay, it's Kenderly Casey, it's ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 1: Dirty d yay go, Oh dirty dyay go.

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Speaker 4: Oh dirty go Oh dirty d yay go, oh.

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Speaker 1: Casey A little load fact.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, apparently, according to the state Republican bylaws, making a

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Speaker 3: theme song called dirty Diego will not put you.

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Speaker 1: In bad standing.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, you can do that.

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Speaker 3: But telling people you should vote for somebody other than

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Speaker 3: Diego that would put you in bad state.

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Speaker 4: So long as that other person is outside of the

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Speaker 4: Republican Party, it's a kettle, Casey showing Rob, that's Casey.

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Speaker 3: You just heard the docile tones of one Jerry Lopez

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Speaker 3: singing the theme song Dirty Diego, a song that he

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Speaker 3: wrote and recorded about our Secretary of State, Diego Morales,

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Speaker 3: because Diego is a dirty, dirty, rotten, unethical, corrupt individual.

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Speaker 1: And a new.

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Speaker 3: Article out from the Indiana Capitol Chronicle about just how

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Speaker 3: much joy howdy our state lawmakers and cabinet members are

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Speaker 3: state white office holders, I should say in cabinet members

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Speaker 3: are spending of your money on travel. And wouldn't you know,

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Speaker 3: case who the big grand prize winner was?

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Speaker 2: Oh gosh, Rob, who is it?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's the dirty rotten on the corrupt secretary of

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Speaker 3: State Diego Morales, coming in blowing away to the field,

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Speaker 4: A third of the total cost went to one guy,

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Speaker 3: He spent he being Diego Morales. See, he had a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a Secretary of State.

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Speaker 2: Yes he did.

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Speaker 4: He reported nineteen out of state trips and as.

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Speaker 2: He also went you know, globally well.

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Speaker 3: So so the India Capitol Chronicle is a fabulous new REPORTO.

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Speaker 1: So there was a new law that.

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Speaker 3: Was passed because of him, because of him, because of.

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Speaker 1: Him, diego yes where that you now have to report.

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Speaker 3: Your state funded travel now in the most state government

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Speaker 3: one time we've now determined taxers paid for him to

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Speaker 2: Yeah it was an army visit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which was him jumping out of an airplane in Kentucky. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: taking multiple Army trips to Kentucky. You the taxpayer paid

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, bute.

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Speaker 2: Us one of the lower spending ones.

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Speaker 3: Though, well do we know he wasn't reporting a bunch

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Speaker 1: Do we know?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: Now, according to the.

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Speaker 4: Official documents that we're turned in, which by the way,

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Speaker 1: Let me, however you want to do it, Let me repeat,

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Speaker 3: You the taxpayer, in some shape, form or fashion, paid

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Speaker 3: and somehow that was helping the US Army.

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Speaker 1: That's where your money's going.

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Speaker 3: Hey, No money to help you with property taxes, no

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Speaker 4: You also paid for the Secretary of State to go

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Speaker 3: Now, the most important part of this, and I'm sure

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Speaker 3: the bare minimum was, that's what they put into place

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Speaker 3: with this. Now everybody knows that trip to India was

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Speaker 3: taken in an official capacity because Diego said his trip

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Speaker 1: Casey, would you would you.

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Speaker 3: Like to guess how much reporting on that trip to

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Speaker 3: India appears on this document?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll guess all of it.

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Speaker 3: No, you would be none of it. Oh, okay, you're

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Speaker 3: looking for none of it? Yeah, none events, So none

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Speaker 3: of it. You got no information. The Secretary of State

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Speaker 3: not tell you a damn thing about who paid for

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Speaker 3: the money back. He also apparently went to Vancouver.

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Speaker 2: At some point, Vancouver Indian Hungry.

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Speaker 4: He said, Hungry wasn't part of the official list because

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Speaker 4: it was personal and funded by No no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: Memory was ping ponging back and forth.

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Speaker 3: Remember he gave some speech where he was the Secretary

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Speaker 3: thirty three thousand dollars of taxpayer money this guy spent traveling.

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Speaker 3: His job is to administer He's administrator, casey.

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Speaker 1: That's it. That's his job.

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Speaker 3: He has no actual power other than that given to

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Speaker 2: Spent more than the governor, five times more than the governor,

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Speaker 3: And you paid. You paid for the lieutenant governor jump

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Speaker 4: Yeah I did.

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Speaker 2: I hope it was fun. How we enjoyed himself.

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Speaker 3: So I come back to the question I asked at

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Speaker 3: Kelly's going to join us at ten fifteen to talk

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Speaker 3: she's been gone so long now public safety public safety

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Speaker 1: Like you see all of these people, and you say,

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Speaker 3: They don't care about your money, they don't care about

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Speaker 1: Thirty three thousand dollars Casey.

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Speaker 4: What was Diego doing in Vancouver nine trips to Chicago

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Speaker 1: And so it come back to the questquestion. This is

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Speaker 3: If you were to tell somebody who doesn't live here,

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Speaker 3: that's what I want people to ponder throughout the course

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Speaker 3: of the day. All Right, so State Rep. Ed Delaney

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Speaker 3: he would totally support a special session for fixing property taxes.

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Speaker 4: He joins us next on ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 3: Case you may have heard, but you if the governor

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Speaker 1: He thinks it's pretty good it.

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Speaker 3: So he had this press conference yesterday and came out

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Speaker 3: we're not doing anything with property taxes because everybody's pretty

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Speaker 3: happy with it. And I messaged you, I said, what

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Speaker 1: You said, he's on Treasure Island.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I said, some use some phraseology we can't use

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Speaker 3: on these very public, family oriented airwaves. But our next

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Speaker 3: not that great. Ed Delaney, State Representative Indianapolis Joints is

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Speaker 5: Hello, good morning team.

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Speaker 1: How we doing I'm doing all right?

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Speaker 3: Okay, So let's start with you were featured in an

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Speaker 3: the property tax bill is bad for a variety of reasons,

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Speaker 5: In right, it is critical, and you know, the governor

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Speaker 5: doesn't seem to be concerned. My view is that historically

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Speaker 1: That's very bad. And what's bad is the interest rates

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Speaker 5: So Hoosiers who want to finance local government will find

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Speaker 5: Now I don't think it's the end of the world

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Speaker 1: So this is disturbing. It's one of the disturbing.

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Speaker 5: The other thing is, of course, all the local government

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Speaker 5: what six years, and they don't know quite what to

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Speaker 3: Okay, So like town where I live, when I was

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Speaker 3: they're proposing this year. It's pretty hard for me to

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Speaker 1: Inflation's bad, it's not that bad. Can't there be some

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Speaker 1: where we still.

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Speaker 3: Fund the police to fire, the roads, the bridges, the sidewalks,

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Speaker 5: Well, there's this lifestyle thing, which you know the Republicans

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Speaker 5: we have all these bikeways. Now, we have these parks

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Speaker 5: like Westfield's got this amazing complex. So that's what we're

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Speaker 5: that's an attractive program. But on the thing about the money, yes,

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Speaker 5: the psychology of local politicians is, we're moving forward doing

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Speaker 5: And if I'm in Westfield, I've budgeted for a new

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Speaker 5: all of a sudden, the General Assembly says, well, folks,

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Speaker 5: while we were at lunch, we cut your revenue stream.

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Speaker 5: So they're going kind of crazy.

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Speaker 3: Ed to l any Democrats State represent Indianapolis as our guest. Yeah, Now, you.

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Speaker 4: Had mentioned that you would be in favor of a

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Speaker 4: special session, not necessarily to address redistricting, but to address

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Speaker 4: Senate and Rolled Act one. In your mind, what would

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Speaker 5: I think we need to be mindful that we should

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Speaker 5: play fair when we cut somebody's revenue. In the past,

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Speaker 1: For other purposes.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they raised the sales tax. HeSE that money's going

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Speaker 3: to go pay the teachers, right, and.

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Speaker 5: So the locals were not as badly hurt. So they

443
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Speaker 5: got less property tax, but they had more money come.

444
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Speaker 1: From the state.

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Speaker 5: This time we're doing the opposite, where we're not giving

446
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Speaker 5: them more money, we're just taking away their money.

447
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Speaker 1: So it's out of balance.

448
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Speaker 3: What percentage of your colleagues do you think one read

449
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Speaker 3: what became Senate Bill one and two understood it. So

450
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Speaker 3: there's one hundred and fifty you guys of the one

451
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Speaker 3: hundred and fifty, what are you? What do you think

452
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Speaker 3: the number is on both of us?

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Speaker 5: We won't get past twenty and that's a serious problem.

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Speaker 5: And we didn't have a healthy debate. We didn't have

455
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Speaker 5: a bond lawyer's coming testifying before the committee. Too much

456
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Speaker 5: is done in private. That's one of the problems of

457
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Speaker 5: the supermajority. They go have a caucus, they don't fight

458
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Speaker 5: among themselves because they don't want to publicly fight among themselves.

459
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Speaker 5: They do it privately, and they come out with a package,

460
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Speaker 5: and the witnesses are afraid to testify against it because

461
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Speaker 5: it might get worse if they testify against it. So, yeah,

462
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Speaker 5: this is the problem. By the way, A true problem

463
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Speaker 5: is that we've got a small number of people deeply

464
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Speaker 5: understand this, both in the lobby world and in the

465
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Speaker 5: Legislative Services Agency, and they're getting to have you more

466
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Speaker 5: gray hair than I did. That's the problem.

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Speaker 3: You talk to anyone, because Braun came out yesterday and

468
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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, people are very happy with this

469
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Speaker 3: with this bill. Have you talked to anyone any of

470
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Speaker 3: your constituents You're like, this is awesome.

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Speaker 5: No, because they're smarter than that. My good wife was

472
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Speaker 5: really the real politician in my household. Used to say this,

473
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Speaker 5: no such thing as a tax cut. I said, well,

474
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Speaker 5: what do you mean? They cut the text says nobody

475
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Speaker 5: ever recognizes it once it passes, and once the headlines

476
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Speaker 5: are over. You don't open up your tax bill next

477
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Speaker 5: year and say, oh, I'm down twenty two cents and

478
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Speaker 5: take out the one from last year. You don't do that,

479
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Speaker 5: so you're not going to get a lot of credit lists.

480
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Speaker 5: Be fair you're not going to get a lot of

481
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Speaker 5: credit for it. But if the citizen realizes what we

482
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Speaker 5: said is you're going to pay less property tax, but

483
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Speaker 5: you're probably going to pay more local inde tax. That's

484
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Speaker 5: the big one imposed by your local gunment. If they're

485
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Speaker 5: brave enough to impose it, that's an if people caught

486
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Speaker 5: onto that, and I think they're going to.

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Speaker 1: Catch on to it more so let's work through that.

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Speaker 1: Ed Delaney, Democrat, State rep. As our guest.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing, right, because the assessments don't stop going up,

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Speaker 3: so in soveral years you'll see or a couple of years

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Speaker 3: been where you're at, that cut will go away. And

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Speaker 3: now these local governments have the ability, unlike before, to

493
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Speaker 3: raise your income tax, so you end up with no

494
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Speaker 3: property tax relief.

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Speaker 1: In higher income.

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Speaker 5: Taxes, there may be some more positive benefits for the

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Speaker 5: property tax owner over time. I think that's true over

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Speaker 5: the six years, but no, I think the risk is

499
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Speaker 5: that the increase in local income tax will overcompensate for that.

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Speaker 1: More than make up for that.

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Speaker 5: And remember, we're going to let the cities independently now

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Speaker 5: raise their blical income tax, so there's going to be

503
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Speaker 5: a scramble between cities and counties, for example, who raises

504
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Speaker 5: it how much. There'll be a lot of politics about that,

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Speaker 5: So I don't want to overstate there are some benefits,

506
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Speaker 5: probably some long term benefits. It's sad to say that

507
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Speaker 5: the one group of homeowners that will do poorest is

508
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Speaker 5: the people at the lowest end. The people are the

509
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Speaker 5: least expensive homes. They'll actually end up paying a little

510
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Speaker 5: bit more tax, which is kind of not I think

511
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Speaker 5: what anybody wanted. And that's part of the problem here.

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Speaker 5: You got thirty five hundred units of government in this

513
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Speaker 5: state that can tax your property. Yeah, how we come

514
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Speaker 5: up with a bill?

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Speaker 1: Can you repeat that again?

516
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Speaker 5: Thirty five hundred units of government that can tax your property.

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Speaker 5: Now a thousand of them are the townships, which are

518
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Speaker 5: under the usual criticism, but still there's twenty five hundred others.

519
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Speaker 5: And so it's you know, school boards, libraries, counties, cities, towns,

520
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 5: on fire districts. So how you could ever pass a

521
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Speaker 5: bill that won't mess up any of them?

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Speaker 3: And you can't, right, And you had touched on and

523
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Speaker 3: I think this is the key issue. During the hearing,

524
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Speaker 3: you win our common sense A word I think I

525
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Speaker 3: told you at the time, God forbid, shot the one

526
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Speaker 3: ed and delaying Democrats state representative as our guests, Who's

527
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Speaker 3: the other thing you need to be said, which is

528
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Speaker 3: there are far too many layers of local government and

529
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Speaker 3: until we do something about this, we're not going to

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Speaker 3: fix this issue.

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Speaker 1: That is correct.

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Speaker 5: And the two that you see that the most obvious.

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Speaker 5: We have two hundred and seventy roughly school districts. We

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Speaker 5: have one thousand Townshipsalidation is absolutely mandatory, but no one

535
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 5: wants to be the first to go. They don't want

536
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Speaker 5: to give up whatever perks they have these local governments.

537
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Speaker 5: They're used to their situation. They're used to holding a

538
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Speaker 5: little elected office, so it's a bear we have to.

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Speaker 5: I would do two things. I would provide more revenue

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Speaker 5: to the locals. Rather than always cutting our state taxes

541
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Speaker 5: by a hair, I would give more revenue to the locals.

542
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Speaker 5: But in return, I'd give them even more if they consolidate,

543
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Speaker 5: there'd be a bonus or reward. They're not going to

544
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Speaker 5: do it voluntarily. They're not going to do it because

545
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Speaker 5: they love the idea. So you've got to give them

546
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Speaker 5: a positive incentive. We've tried the negative incentive and we've

547
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Speaker 5: chickened out, and they've held firm.

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Speaker 1: That you just hit the nail on the head. You

549
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Speaker 1: aren't for governor.

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Speaker 5: I mean no, I think I'm past that phase. But

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Speaker 5: you know, I would like to be that. I would

552
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Speaker 5: like to be the chief advisor to the next Democrat governor.

553
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Speaker 5: That would be my ambition.

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Speaker 3: Well, you hit the nail on the head, though, which

555
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 3: is the state talks big and then whimps out. Yeah,

556
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Speaker 3: and these local governments know it's like a game of Survivor.

557
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 3: Out went out last, apt play and they know you

558
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 3: guys will just give in up it.

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Speaker 5: Remember there are more of them than there of us.

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Speaker 5: There's only one hundred and fifty of us. There's I

561
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Speaker 5: can't imagine nine ten thousand I think of local If

562
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Speaker 5: you count every little advisory board and all this, maybe

563
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 5: more than ten thousand. So they got plenty to do

564
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Speaker 5: to protect their purse. You know, that's what they're gonna do.

565
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Speaker 5: They have two persons, the one that's in their back

566
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Speaker 5: pocket and the one that's.

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Speaker 1: The public purse.

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Speaker 2: I have two questions for you. Ed Delaney is joining

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Speaker 2: US State rep.

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Speaker 4: You had mentioned that the people who truly understand this

571
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Speaker 4: are aging what is the answer to that.

572
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Speaker 5: Well, I think we need to get both more lawyers

573
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 5: and more politicians interested in these bare bones critical things

574
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Speaker 5: like property Texas. We've got to realize that that's our

575
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 5: fundamental responsibility and getting into social issues from either side.

576
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Speaker 5: From running lists of people who didn't put the flag

577
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 5: in half mass that seems to be a governmental function.

578
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 5: We're into all this nonsense. So we got to get

579
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 5: some people who are policy oriented, policy driven. They used

580
00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 5: to be around and they still are. We're got to

581
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 5: get some of these people who are studying accounting or

582
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 5: finanswer law to come and work for the State House.

583
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 5: And we don't have our staff testify. It's very different

584
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 5: from Congress. So we do have some staff. We're very

585
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 5: smart on this stuff, but they don't get up in

586
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 5: the public and say something whit why not because that's

587
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 5: just not our tradition, okay. And we don't have a

588
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 5: lot of lobbyists come and scream. There's few. There's a

589
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 5: guy named Denny Coostaris and who in a very beautiful

590
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 5: way kind of says where we're screwing up and without

591
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Speaker 5: offending anybody. But he's about to retire. So we need

592
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Speaker 5: more of these people.

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Speaker 4: The other question I have for here, Since we asked

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Speaker 4: you to join us to talk about a special session,

595
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Speaker 4: I want to give you an opportunity to talk about

596
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Speaker 4: a special session in regards to redistricting.

597
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Speaker 5: Well, we don't need it, we don't want it, the

598
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 5: Republicans don't want I've never seen a situation where the

599
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 5: supermajority is going to perhaps have a special session to

600
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Speaker 5: pass a bill that they don't want to even talk about.

601
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Speaker 5: If you notice they're not talking about. So this is

602
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 5: come an unusual form of democratic function. Okay, I just

603
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 5: think it's dysfunction. So I hope we don't do it.

604
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Speaker 5: I'm afraid that they will do it. I think the

605
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 5: odds are probably in favor of their doing it, and

606
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 5: then they'll have a bunch of lawsuits, which they deserve

607
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 5: because there is a there is a racial component to this. Unfortunately,

608
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 5: more importantly, there's a broadly, not more importantly, but more broadly,

609
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Speaker 5: there's a democratic component. Are we going to say Democrats

610
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Speaker 5: should have no representation in Congress? At the beginning of

611
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Speaker 5: this century we had five, they had four, Okay, now.

612
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Speaker 1: We have two.

613
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Speaker 5: They have seven, and they're about to say we deserve,

614
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Speaker 5: not deserve is the word.

615
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Speaker 1: About, yeah, we deserve, and they'll admit it's all political.

616
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Speaker 5: It's totally political. The public is not asking for it,

617
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Speaker 5: so it's un Governor.

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Speaker 4: If the governor calls a special session, how much of

619
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Speaker 4: a heads up do you get?

620
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Speaker 5: Uh, that's sort of up to him and the speaker.

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Speaker 5: I'd assume at least a week or two because people

622
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Speaker 5: have to schedule things and committee hearings and their deadlines

623
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Speaker 5: and so forth, probably have a week or two's notice,

624
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Speaker 5: and I think one of the will be I don't

625
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Speaker 5: think they're in a position to do what I call

626
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 5: it one day cram, where we suspend all the rules

627
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Speaker 5: and we just march in and we basically pass the

628
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Speaker 5: bill without any hearings or any.

629
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Speaker 1: Fall to roll.

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Speaker 5: I don't think that'll happen. So, say three four weeks

631
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Speaker 5: when the announcement to the bill actually moves, and then

632
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Speaker 5: there'll be figgles. The governor was originally saying, well, let's

633
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,479
Speaker 5: talk about property taxes again as an excuse for this

634
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Speaker 5: special session. He doesn't like that anymore, so he'll come

635
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 5: up with us. There are two good reasons. By the way,

636
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 5: the federal government we have to decide whether to give

637
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 5: all the Trump tax cuts under state income tax law

638
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 5: or now that's a huge dollar issue. We've got to

639
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 5: decide whether we're going to do that or not. And

640
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 5: we have to decide what to do with the healthcare

641
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Speaker 5: and other cuts and education cuts that are coming out

642
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Speaker 5: of Washington. These are worth talking about.

643
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Speaker 4: Now.

644
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 5: We could talk about them in January almost as well

645
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Speaker 5: as we could in November. But those are worth talking about.

646
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Speaker 5: But this this redistrict thing, give me a break.

647
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Speaker 1: Democrats stay wrapped. Ed Delandy, thank you, thank you.

648
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Speaker 5: I've enjoyed it as always.

649
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Speaker 2: Casey on ninety three WIBC.

650
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Speaker 1: You are just enraged about this Maxwell coffee story.

651
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Speaker 4: It's a publicity stunt, it's a marketing endeavor. But for

652
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Speaker 4: the first time in one hundred and thirty three years,

653
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Speaker 4: Maxwell House changing their name temporarily to Maxwell Apartment. They say,

654
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Speaker 4: the coffee is not going to change, It's still going

655
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Speaker 4: to have the same taste, Aroma ingredients remain unchanged, and

656
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Speaker 4: the rebrand is strictly symbolic.

657
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Speaker 1: So you're giving them what they want.

658
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Speaker 4: Nearly one third of Americans and nearly one third of

659
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Speaker 4: Americans now rent smaller apartments rather than owning a full

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Speaker 4: size home. So they say that this is going to

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Speaker 4: resonate with the modern customers.

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Speaker 1: Wait, wait, what's that number again? That's what's important.

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Speaker 4: Nearly one third of Americans rent smaller apartments rather than

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Speaker 4: owning a full size home.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so that's really the number that matters, because that

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Speaker 3: is a staggering statistic that basically one third of society

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Speaker 3: now as either by choice or by force, sort of

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Speaker 3: opted out of the home ownership game.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: They say that you can save over one thousand dollars

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Speaker 4: a year if you brew your coffee at home. If

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Speaker 4: you're a coffee drinker, two thirds of people are Maxwell

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Speaker 4: House or Maxwell apartment owned by craft Hinds. And they're

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Speaker 4: emphasizing value and affordability in the current economy.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing.

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Speaker 4: This is a total marketing gimmick, but it's based on

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Speaker 4: what's going on with the economy.

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Speaker 1: And this was a big deal to you.

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Speaker 3: Why, I mean the coffee drinker, But why like why

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Speaker 3: does what does it matter? Does the name on the package?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're going to change the name on the package.

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Speaker 3: I understand that's the purpose of the story. But are

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Speaker 3: you saying it bothers you for like, is it like

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Speaker 3: Why was this a pressing issue to you?

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Speaker 1: I am fascinated by this.

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Speaker 4: I think it's interesting that you have a one hundred

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Speaker 4: and thirty three year old brand that is changing the

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Speaker 4: name of their product because of the economy and the

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Speaker 4: way people are living.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't just happen.

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Speaker 3: But you don't believe that like they're really doing. They're

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Speaker 3: doing it so people like us will talk about it,

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Speaker 3: which good on them, and it's half your show because

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Speaker 3: here we are doing it. If you want to waste

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Speaker 3: time talking about this, that's fine. But it's not like

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Speaker 3: they're they're selling to everyone regardless of where they live.

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Speaker 3: It's not like they're You're going to see them in

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Speaker 3: the aisle and go, oh, that's his apartment on it.

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Speaker 3: I'm an apartment person. I ought to get that because

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Speaker 3: I mean, or do people shop that way?

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Speaker 1: Is that an actual thing?

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Speaker 4: Well? I don't drink Maxwell House or Maxwell Apartment, so

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Speaker 4: it won't affect me.

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Speaker 3: No, But I'm asking, like, are people that is vain?

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Speaker 3: Would vain be the right word? Or that naive that

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Speaker 3: they're like, it's this apartment on it, it must be

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Speaker 3: taste better in apartments. I'll get the apartment coffee.

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Speaker 4: Well, one thing that they are doing is they're offering

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Speaker 4: a twelve month supply and you can get that for

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Speaker 4: forty dollars, and they typically sell for thirteen dollars each,

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Speaker 4: so it does make it a discounted bundle, so you

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Speaker 4: can't save money if you buy the apartment version.

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Speaker 3: You strike me a sort of person as those little

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Speaker 3: cups you put them in the K cups K cups.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you would be correct.

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Speaker 2: I knew it's Kennily Casey.

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Speaker 4: It's ninety three WIBC