1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: Well, she was named the editor in chief and she's 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: making plans changes, some of them good, some of them bad. 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: CBS News editor in Chief Barry Weiss, she's planning to 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: bring Andrew Huberman, who is a professor and host of 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: the Huberman Lab podcast. She's going to bring him over 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: to the network. He already has this podcast. It already 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: reaches millions and it's focused on fitness and he talks 8 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: mostly to a male audience and they have a nickname, 9 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: they're called the Huberman Husbands. But he is going to 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: be now part of the lineup on CBS News. Of course, 11 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: Barry Weiss, she's had some missed ups, especially with sixty Minutes, 12 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 1: and now she's trying to change things up. They've had 13 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: declining ratings and the staff has, you know, threatened to 14 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: walk out. She's threatened to fire half of them, and 15 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: they're realigning their priority. 16 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,319 Speaker 2: So here's a little background on this. Barry Weiss was 17 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 2: a liberal reporter for a long time and she worked 18 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: at the New York Times and was on the editorial 19 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 2: board of the New York Times, and she kind of 20 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 2: had I don't want to call her, you know that 21 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 2: she had a red pill moment but she had that 22 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 2: moment where we hear a lot of leftists and liberals 23 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: and Democrats that have had over the last five, six, seven, 24 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: eight years where they've said, Okay, I don't like the 25 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 2: direction that the Democrat Party and that liberals are going in. 26 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 2: They're getting too far left. What's going on here? She 27 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 2: took kind of a reasonable approach, brought up a lot 28 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 2: of questions. When she was at the New York Times 29 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 2: and then got absolutely destroyed by her fellow employees at 30 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 2: the New York Times and they ran her out of there. 31 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 2: She created this independent news organization called The Free Press. 32 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 2: She recently just sold that outlet to CBS, and part 33 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 2: of the deal was they were going to make her 34 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 2: essentially editor in chief of all of CBS News, including 35 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 2: CBS Nightly News in sixteen Minutes and all of its programs. 36 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 2: And so she's been trying to institute some change here. 37 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: And here are the takes that you're going to hear 38 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: if you hear a journalist talk about this, you're going 39 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 2: to hear about how awful Barry weis is, how she's 40 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 2: ruining this icon news institution here at CBS, and she's 41 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 2: just the worst thing in the world when the truth 42 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 2: is really, what are you hanging on to? CBS? Okay, Look, 43 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 2: the media industry is in it has been in change 44 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 2: for a long time. It's really really difficult to be 45 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 2: profitable as a media entity right now. The vast majority 46 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: of newspapers lose money. I think there's only a couple 47 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 2: that are actually, you know, anywhere significantly profitable, and they're 48 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 2: doing it off other things, not necessarily their journalism. CBS 49 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 2: News has been in third place forever. Yeah, twenty thirty years. 50 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,399 Speaker 2: They've been in third place, last place forever. So if 51 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 2: you come in to a losing situation where you're getting 52 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 2: your butt kicked against all your competitors, you can't just 53 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 2: do the same thing you've always done and expect to 54 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 2: maybe turn the ship around. So what Barry Weiss is 55 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 2: doing is looking toward other outlets like podcasting and bringing 56 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: those sort of people into the fold at CBS News. 57 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: And I kind of look at it the same way. 58 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 2: We've talked a lot about Trump. Look of the things 59 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 2: Trump does not a big fan of probably haven't worked 60 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 2: out that great. But what we were doing before certainly 61 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 2: wasn't working, So you might as well give this crist 62 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 2: shot see if you can do something. I viewed the 63 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 2: same thing as Barry Weiss CBS News. Whatever they were 64 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 2: doing was not working for a long time. 65 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: Well, you had mentioned that media outlets just are struggling 66 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: across the board, and many people say, well, that's because 67 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: the pie is being split up farther with podcasts and 68 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: digital elements. And I would say that the pie is 69 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: not being split up more. The pie has gotten bigger 70 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: because we didn't have digital products to consume before that 71 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: content was not available. The pie has grown, and yes 72 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: the slices are still getting small. 73 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 2: The problems from traditional media outlets like newspapers and CBS 74 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 2: and NBC News and those sort of outlets are the 75 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 2: growth of the advertising pie has all gone toward Amazon 76 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: and Meta and all of the social media outlets who 77 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 2: dominate the digital appaizing space to the point where traditional 78 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: media outlets get pennies as it relates to digital media advertising. Look, 79 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 2: the news business is difficult. The business of journalism from 80 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 2: a pure business model is very very difficult from a 81 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 2: business model standpoint. So her bringing in podcasts and YouTube 82 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 2: stars and social media stars, she's just trying to keep 83 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 2: this ship afloat and get it pointed back in the 84 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 2: right direction. 85 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: Well, true investigative reporting takes time and it's expensive. 86 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 2: Journalism's expensive. Good journalism is expensive, just like you said. 87 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it takes time to investigate and cite resource or 88 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: sources and get all of that together and come up 89 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: with the truth, and it's so often buried by people 90 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: who don't want the truth coming out. So Barry Wise, 91 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: she's trying something different. We'll see if she's successful in this, 92 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: like she was not successful with sixty minutes. But this 93 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: podcaster Andrew Huberman, he's faced a lot of criticism already. 94 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: He has been said that he's oversimplified or misrepresented science, 95 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: including dietary and health claims.