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Speaker 1: The Frames per Second Podcast. Thank you for listening to

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Speaker 1: another episode of Frames per Second. I am going to

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Speaker 1: be your host for the evening. This is Mike next

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Speaker 1: to me, I have Ken. Next to him, I have Rod,

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Speaker 1: and next to him I have Nay and uh yeah.

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Speaker 1: This is our Not That Bad series where we discuss

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Speaker 1: films that we think get panned for unfair reasons. And

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Speaker 1: today's my pick, which is a Nightmare on Elm Street

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Speaker 1: two Freddy's Revenge. So we're gonna go ahead and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna start with Ken, what'd you think of this film?

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Speaker 2: I didn't notice that it was getting panned like that,

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Speaker 2: but you know, I wasn't in a lot of those conversations.

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Speaker 1: So I just learned this recently.

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Speaker 2: And because even before we, you know, decided to do

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Speaker 2: this a month or so ago, I can't remember. I

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Speaker 2: rewatched it for that and we scrapped it. But prior

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Speaker 2: to that, I went through a whole rewatching Freddy thing

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Speaker 2: a year or so ago, and I was just on

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Speaker 2: Wiki just kind of, you know, just reading up on stuff,

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Speaker 2: and that's when I saw people were saying about it.

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Speaker 1: So I was like, I didn't think it was that

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Speaker 1: bad for it to be paying like that. I didn't

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Speaker 1: really get it.

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Speaker 2: I mean I saw some of the gripes and critiques

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Speaker 2: I think they were saying, but it was just like, I,

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Speaker 2: you know, so, yeah.

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Speaker 1: So it's not that bad for you. I didn't think

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Speaker 1: it was that bad. Is it that bad? Rod? It

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Speaker 1: sounds like a yes, all right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, much like Ken, I didn't know that those

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Speaker 3: conversations were happening. Like I mean, I haven't watched these

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Speaker 3: movies since I was younger. And when I watched these movies,

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Speaker 3: I wasn't watching these movies for story and all these

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Speaker 3: type of things. I was watching it to act like

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Speaker 3: I wasn't scared and laughing at Freddy and things like that.

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Speaker 3: So those were I never analyzed it in this way.

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Speaker 3: So that's why I don't. I didn't know. But watching

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Speaker 3: it back now, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah it was. It was. It was a

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Speaker 1: bit of a struggle. It was a bit of a struggle.

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Speaker 1: I I don't.

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Speaker 3: Disagree with the arguments. It is pretty bad. It is

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Speaker 3: pretty bad.

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Speaker 1: Naw.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't scared, I'll say that much. It wasn't scary.

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Speaker 4: I had no idea that it was getting bad press.

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Speaker 4: So it was looked at as a bad movie. I mean,

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Speaker 4: but I absolutely understand why this was some bullshit. It

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Speaker 4: wasn't scary, it wasn't funny, it wasn't it wasn't nothing

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Speaker 4: like nothing was it was nothing. The best part of

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Speaker 4: this was when Freddy Iball was looking down his throat.

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Speaker 5: That's it.

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Speaker 4: Like, this movie was not good. This didn't make no

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Speaker 4: goddamn sense. Why was it baby rock Waller Faces.

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Speaker 5: I don't understand it was baby, it was rock Waller

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Speaker 5: baby Faces.

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Speaker 4: I just did not understand what the fuck was supposed

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Speaker 5: Nothing about this ship made sense.

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Speaker 1: Why don't they Freddie, Freddie get funny until three? Right? Right? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Freddie didn't get funny until three. But this is so

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Speaker 1: clearly no one here besides me has seen the documentary

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Speaker 1: about this, So we'll get we'll get into that later

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Speaker 1: about this movie in particular.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I remember you talking about documentary about this particular.

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Speaker 2: Conversation get into said since I've been rewatching it, and I'm.

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Speaker 1: Like, oh, I can kind of see that, but go ahead,

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Speaker 1: so I'll leave with this. So, y'all, y'all didn't get

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Speaker 1: any sort of subtext from this film. This is supposed

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Speaker 5: No? No, What's I supposed to get from this ship?

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Speaker 1: All right? Rod? Did you get these subtext from the bus.

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Speaker 5: On the gates of Hell?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 5: I ain't getting none.

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Speaker 1: Of this, Okay, it sounds like no. So there is

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Speaker 1: a very apparent gay subtext for this film, what oh

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Speaker 1: throughout the film, okay. And the problem is the director

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Speaker 1: did this intentionally. Jesse is gay. The actor himself, I

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Speaker 1: the main character Jesse, he wrote him in that sense

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Speaker 1: the actual actor, because everyone was like, he's a f slur.

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Speaker 1: didn't do that. He just couldn't help himself because he's

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Speaker 1: there's this entire thing around this movie. It is weird.

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Speaker 1: But once you go into the movie with that idea

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Speaker 1: terms with it, and they're trying to use Freddy as

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Speaker 1: makes ten times more sense. Not saying y'all will like

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Speaker 1: it more, but it's nowhere nearest confusing because it's a

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Speaker 1: different watch. It's a very different watch once you go

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Speaker 5: That's how that's how he killed the coach the way

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Speaker 5: that he did.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's why the coach. If you watch any other

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Speaker 1: Freddy film, you don't see no ship like this. The

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Speaker 5: Which it didn't make not a lick of sense why

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Speaker 1: Right? So he winds up at that because.

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Speaker 6: Because fallows to be a point and he's he is gay,

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Speaker 6: and he's he's trying to experience this stuff, but he

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Speaker 6: doesn't really understand why this is happening, and they're using

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Speaker 1: They just did I'm not saying they did a great

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Speaker 1: job with it. They didn't. But the reason this is

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Speaker 1: this is my not that bad is because if they

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Speaker 1: had marketed this a bit better, and if it wasn't

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Speaker 1: a Freddy Krueger movie, I think this would have been

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Speaker 1: a much bigger hit. The reason it failed was because

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Speaker 1: it was right after the first one, which was amazing,

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Speaker 1: and the story had nothing to do with the first film, right.

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Speaker 1: They tried to though.

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Speaker 3: They would the tie where the home was, and then

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Speaker 3: that's where the furnace was.

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Speaker 1: And sure, but it didn't explain how Freddy came back.

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Speaker 1: It didn't explain why he was doing the things he did.

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Speaker 1: We never, ever, ever, ever see Freddy do what he's

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Speaker 1: those kids at the party, they were asleep. Freddie is

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Speaker 1: fucking walking around killing people like none of it made

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Speaker 1: any sense. But if you take Freddie out of this

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Speaker 1: it would have made a lot more sense. And I

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Speaker 1: I really feel like this would have been one of

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Speaker 3: Well, I always looked at it like he's walking around

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Speaker 3: it's just like now, I'm able to.

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Speaker 1: Operate in real in real life right now because Jesse

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Speaker 1: was inside. Jesse wasn't doing the killing. So but they

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Speaker 3: They showed Freddie breaking out of Jesse, right but Jesse

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Speaker 3: it was like a gateway.

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Speaker 1: It was like a gateway into the real world through Jesse.

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Speaker 1: But that makes no sense in comparison to the first

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Speaker 1: one or the third, one, fourth, one fifth, one sixth

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Speaker 1: That's what I was saying. It doesn't make any sense. There's

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Speaker 1: It almost feels like this guy, the Guy that was

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Speaker 1: written by David Chaskin, directed by Jack Shoulder. I think

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Speaker 1: Chaskin was the was the problematic person. But it felt

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Speaker 1: like Chaskin wrote this for a movie that was not

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Speaker 3: So the way I viewed it, in the way I

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Speaker 3: right right at this point. So it showed that Freddy

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Speaker 3: didn't die in the first one because it ends he.

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Speaker 1: Snatches the mom But that's also sort of like a

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Speaker 3: Right, But he I guess, I guess it was like

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Speaker 3: Freddie's way of being able to operate in the real

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Speaker 1: That's how I that's how I fell about Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: that didn't happen at the end of the first film.

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Speaker 1: Remember they get in the car and the car yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it's Freddy's sweater. Yeah. So that's clearly not the

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Speaker 1: doesn't die in the first one. He dies in the

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Speaker 1: third one. You see what I'm saying. So he wasn't

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Speaker 1: a Freddie film. He wrote this as a homo erotic

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Speaker 5: Wow, it still don't explain the baby Rodwiler.

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Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. Maybe that was supposed to be a

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Speaker 1: I don't think was so much important. I think that

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Speaker 1: what hell would look like. So, I mean, those baby

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Speaker 1: If some fucking rotwhild run in the house with a

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Speaker 1: little baby, you'll run. Okay. So let's get to the

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Speaker 1: of this film because it's homo erotic coming out film.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you if.

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Speaker 5: You watching, if.

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Speaker 1: You did, I guarantee you you'll I'm telling you you

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Speaker 1: would be like, Okay, I do see, I'm playing it

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Speaker 1: in my head now, like and it's just no, you

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Speaker 1: still don't see how it's a coming out, a home

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Speaker 1: eerotic coming out.

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Speaker 3: And I can see how you can spin it that way.

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Speaker 3: It just makes it worse for me. I can see

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Speaker 3: how they can kind of spin it that way because

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Speaker 3: in some moments I kind of though, I don't think

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Speaker 3: it's a spin either.

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Speaker 1: Huh, what do you mean to spind? Because he denies it.

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Speaker 1: Kaskin was denying it for literal years, for decades until

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Speaker 1: and he was making it out that Jesse was a king.

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll get to the film. Sorry, Mark Patten

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Speaker 1: is his name, but he was making out that Mark

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Speaker 1: Patten was a liar until he finally admitted it years later.

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Speaker 1: But yes, okay, so disposedly starts off five years after

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Speaker 1: that the what'd you say? I'm sorry, I don't mean

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Speaker 1: to stop you. Okay. The Walshes have moved into the

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Speaker 1: see Jesse and he it's clearly that he's in a

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Speaker 1: goes to Lisa's pool party, and this is an interesting moment.

437
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 1: When he kisses her in the cabana, his body starts

438
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 1: to change. He starts to panic, He starts becoming Freddie.

439
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 1: So again, this is not just coincidence. I think they're

440
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 1: pushing the idea of it doesn't matter because y'all don't.

441
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: They're pushing the idea of Freddy is Jesse's homosexual feelings.

442
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,120
Speaker 1: He never went anywhere with Lisa.

443
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, right right, you know, I remember, let's go back

444
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 7: to the damn, let's go kill somebody with a tow.

445
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: But yes, this is another interesting part. So he runs.

446
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 1: He leaves the party and he goes to Grady's house.

447
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: Now this is where he says something that you'll have

448
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: to pay attention. He says, something is trying to get

449
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: into my body and uh. And Grady responds by saying, yeah,

450
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 1: she's female and waiting for you at the cabana, but

451
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 1: you want to come over here and sleep with you

452
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 1: like it's all here, it's all here. We just didn't

453
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 1: get it when we were younger, but yes, he tries.

454
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 1: He tries to convince Grady to help him stay awake

455
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: or at least pay attention to him while he falls asleep,

456
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: and if something happens, He's like, oh, help me. But instead, uh,

457
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 1: Grady falls asleep as well. Freddy comes out of Jesse's

458
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 1: body and kills Grady. Freddie then changes back to Jesse.

459
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: Why does he kill Grady?

460
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 3: I don't know if Freddie's the one that's making him

461
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 3: battle with the homosexuality.

462
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 1: Well that, yeah, you just said it. This whole thing

463
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: is is him wrestling with those feelings Freddie?

464
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 3: You said Freddie was a metaphor for for the home.

465
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: For him wrestling with the homosexual feelings, not necessarily that

466
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 1: Freddie is the gay feeling, But is him wrestling with this?

467
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 1: Do I want this? Am I gay? Am I not gay?

468
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: That's what Freddie is supposed to represent. Keep it keeping,

469
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: keep going, hey, y'all. So he goes back to Lisa's house. Okay, yeah,

470
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: the cops are coming because I think Jesse Grady's parents

471
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: are calling the cops. So he books it back to

472
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: Lisa's place, and uh, Lisa realized that Jesse's terror is

473
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: giving Freddy his strength because he tries to explain to

474
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: her what's happening. Jesse's terror is giving Freddy's strength. Okay, okay,

475
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

476
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 4: Because he's afraid of the fact that he's gay. That

477
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 4: may Freddy be able to take over because because he's

478
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 4: still repressing the gainess.

479
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 5: So if you come out and.

480
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: Be who you really is, Freddy goes away.

481
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 5: Freddie ain't got no job, no more.

482
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 1: Yep, Freddy. Yeah, that's what a lot of gay people

483
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: go through. They are terrified of being themselves. You just answered,

484
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 1: it's Deed. You just worked it out, bro, you just

485
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 1: worked it out. You said, it's just fear. That's all

486
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: this is. It's just fear of being gay. Yeah. Yeah,

487
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: it's the eighties. It's definitely fear of being gay. But yeah,

488
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: I remember Freddy throughout all of the films. That's his

489
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: main thing. He thrives on fear. He goes away until

490
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: you remember him, then he comes back. But that's that's

491
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 1: beside the point. This is the part that I'm not

492
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: super stoked on. But yes, after he tells Lisa what's

493
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: going on, he transforms back into Freddie. H Freddie then

494
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: tries to attack Lisa. But he but for some reason,

495
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 1: he cannot all the way hurt her. I think he's

496
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: I think he manages to like maybe scratch her leg

497
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: or something, or he bitter. Yeah, I think he can't

498
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: because she's not afraid. No, she's afraid. He hass was

499
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: running like a mind.

500
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 3: Oh but she was. But she had to force herself

501
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 3: not to be afraid. She's like, I'm not afraid of you.

502
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: She was lying no, no, no, no.

503
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 3: That's I think that's why he couldn't harm her, because

504
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 3: she she showed that she wasn't afraid.

505
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: I think that Freddie couldn't harm her because Jesse wouldn't

506
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: all the way let him, because he was still wrestling

507
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: with the entire thing. I think Jesse and that's that's

508
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: something happens in the other films where if Freddie's trying

509
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 1: to hurt someone, the person that's having the dream is

510
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: sometimes able to stop it. So I think that's why.

511
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: Uh Anyways, I think it's both.

512
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 3: I think it was the fact that you know, I

513
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 3: won't you know, I'm not I know Jesse's in there somewhere,

514
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 3: and I'm not afraid of you.

515
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: Because she literally said I'm not afraid of you. They

516
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: always say that ship, that movie that gave her strength

517
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 1: to fight back. It made him weaker too. But this

518
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 1: was I mean, she kissed him, she kissed who Freddy?

519
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: But that was at the end.

520
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 3: Why are you jumping ahead, I'm just saying, I'm talking

521
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,719
Speaker 3: about the why sort of ruled my hotel.

522
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid point just kissing. But that was way later.

523
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: When he first showed up, was scared.

524
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 3: And which is why he still had the strength at

525
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 3: first until she started that fear started to sucide, and

526
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 3: that's when he that's when he started getting weaker.

527
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 1: You could wait. Freddy goes outside and he starts to

528
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: but yeah, even says here on the wiki page, but

529
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: he realizes he cannot harm her due to Jesse's influence.

530
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 1: Go get the kids in the pool, right, because Jesse

531
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: has no connection to any of them. So Freddie goes

532
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: outside and starts randomly killing party yours and Lisa's dad

533
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: comes out with a shotgun, but Lisa knows that Jesse

534
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: is in there somewhere, so she stops him from shooting him,

535
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: and then Freddie just jumps into a ball of flame

536
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: and disappears. I mean, come on, dog, he jumps into

537
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: a ball of flame and he's gone flame. Get it? No,

538
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: you really don't get it? Are you'll fucking with us? No?

539
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 9: No, you're the eighties and he just vanished.

540
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: That's a fabulous ex that's a fabulous accent. Before I

541
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: had to do you still about it? I'm telling.

542
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 5: This is the original male scream queen.

543
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: The whole movie and the way he was screaming.

544
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 3: I will say that in the beginning, I thought it

545
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 3: just sounded like like a woman was screaming.

546
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: And Jesse says that he was pushed that way to

547
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: do it that way by the writer and the director.

548
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: They say that that's not true. They said he just

549
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: yelled like that because he's gay. Scream The scream was funny,

550
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: he says. They made him do it multiple times, crazy

551
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: and the daughter was like, why can't he just wake

552
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: up like a regular right?

553
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 4: Ah?

554
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,959
Speaker 1: But I forgot it, so they can bring that up.

555
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: Why can't he just wake up like a regular person?

556
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: There's too much like I don't think if this ship

557
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: wasn't there, I don't think I could take a random

558
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: movie and force this much homoerotics up text it's there.

559
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: Did the water the pool got hot? In the pool

560
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,479
Speaker 1: got boiling and it was killing the people that were

561
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: inside the pool. Nobody said it like that.

562
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: Nobody said it liked said that.

563
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 4: This ship.

564
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 5: Making it worse. My god, the hot dogs was popping

565
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 5: on the grill.

566
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: Hot dogs was flaming. They were all be WANs anyways,

567
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: all right. So Lisa drives to the factory and she

568
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: starts having nightmares and she that now this is the

569
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: part where you're right, rob but she starts trying to

570
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: control her fear before she has to confront Freddy. This

571
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: is where she sees the dogs with the with the

572
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: baby faces and h When Lisa finds Freddy, there's like

573
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: a little bit of a tussle, but you can tell,

574
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: even with the other films, you can tell Freddie's not

575
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: really trying to kill her. So it's this weird thing.

576
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: But Lisa confesses her love for Jesse and she kisses Freddy,

577
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: and that's when Jesse is able to fight back and

578
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: free himself from uh from Freddie, and Freddie conbusts, he

579
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: blows up, and he turns into a pile of ash,

580
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: and then there's Jesse. So we think that's the end,

581
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: but the moment after this we see Jesse, Lisa and

582
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: their friend Carrie. They're in the bus going to school,

583
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: and Jesse begins to notice similarities to his original nightmare

584
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: and he starts to panic, and after Lisa calmed Jesse down,

585
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: Carrie says that it's all over, just before Freddy's claw

586
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: bust out of her stomach. He laughs the d The

587
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: bus drives into a field, just like Jesse's nightmare, and

588
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: it ends. What was y'all's take on this.

589
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: Because then the speed up and then he was like,

590
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: oh ship, oh sh old ship, and then it kind

591
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: of stopped and then it started over again. Because I

592
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 2: thought he was he thought it was like his dream,

593
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: and then he was freaking out. And then I think

594
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 2: the drug the y'all just watched it. I think the

595
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: bus stopped and then it started up and then that's

596
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: when stopped, right.

597
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 5: Yeah.

598
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like it was like it's like it's

599
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 3: a fake out. Yeah yeah, it was like your panicking,

600
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 3: like but but the bus stopped. The bus stop and

601
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 3: then then the bus driver turns around and it's not.

602
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, he kind of let somebody off or something

603
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: like that. Oh you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right.

604
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 3: You think like yeah, trip, yeah, yeah, then it actually

605
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 3: does start speaking up yeah yeah.

606
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but yeah, I mean I I an interesting ending.

607
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: I don't know what it means, probably nothing, you know,

608
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 2: it always just means that he's not there.

609
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, that's really It really all boils down for me.

610
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: Or or or that, because I don't think he ever

611
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: got with Lisa exactly.

612
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: I mean, he's still he's still gay. He thought he

613
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: had overcome the gay feelings fake but by the end

614
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: of the movie, no, they're still there. He cannot escape them.

615
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: The big long bust. You know, he was straight right

616
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: into that field that he went to the field of

617
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: dream Nigga, that was a one. But yeah, so I

618
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: have to correct something I just saw on my notes.

619
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: He was not an out gay man. This movie outed him.

620
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: He was a closeted gay man. They knew that he

621
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: was gay, but they put him in this role. They

622
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: very clearly wrote it as a gay man, a stereotypical

623
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: gay man. This outed him. So he was not able

624
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: to get other movies because, like I said earlier, they

625
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't even hire you if you were gay, because they

626
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: automatically assumed you had aids. Back then, they used to

627
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: blood test gay actors. They wouldn't blood test the straight actors,

628
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: but if you were an open gay person, they would

629
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 1: blood test you because they're like, you have aids. That's crazy.

630
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was the end of the movie. I

631
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: feel like it took a long time for people to

632
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: accept this film and kind of come around to the campus.

633
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: Now it's one of those movies where it's like it

634
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: has a cult following, But it took people realizing the

635
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: gay subtext to this film before it became a cult classic.

636
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 1: Prior to that, it was just like, oh, this is

637
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: really bad Freddie film. But now you have movies like

638
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: The Baba Duke which are the same type of ideas,

639
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: and you have all these other films like It Follows

640
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 1: where they use these monsters as metaphors for other things.

641
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: I think this is not that bad because they were

642
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: ahead of the curve. They were trying to make this

643
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: metaphorical monster film. They just did it with a character

644
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:23,479
Speaker 1: that wasn't the best character to use it. So people

645
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: were upset about that, say what, oh, yeah, Nancy wasn't

646
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: in it. I mean they even they even tried to

647
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: recast Robert England. He wanted more money and they were like, nah,

648
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: we'll just cast somebody else as Freddy as Freddie because

649
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: they were like, he only did one movie, so who

650
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: cares fuck him? And then, if I remember correctly, they

651
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: made the they made the movie. And then they were like, nah,

652
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: this dude doesn't work. We need to go call Robert

653
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: England back. And then Robert England was like, all right, cool.

654
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: Robert England even admits. He's like, yes, the gay context

655
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: is there, the gay subtext is there. He's like, how

656
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: are you not seeing this? He was flabbergasted by the

657
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: fact that these guys were lying about it, being like, no,

658
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 1: this is just Jesse. He's so gay. He makes every

659
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: movie gay. And he wasn't even ready to come out

660
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: yet this out of him in Hollywood. Not that he

661
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: was an amazing actor for an eighties male actor, he

662
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: was fine. He was no worse.

663
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: He could have got a lot of the role. Yes,

664
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 2: just based off his looks and stuff.

665
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,959
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, he's a very pretty young white boy.

666
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: It's interesting because all of that was there. They were

667
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 2: ambitious and doing it. But when people started to call

668
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 2: him out on it, they were like, oh, nah, no, no,

669
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 2: that wasn't me.

670
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 1: Like but but I Mike.

671
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 2: To your point is like now the following that it has, clearly,

672
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 2: I think that has a lot to do with society

673
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: sort of evolving over times to being able to kind

674
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,919
Speaker 2: of look at that and be more accepting of that. Yes,

675
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 2: you know, I mean we're talking about what I was,

676
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: what twenties, twenty thirty years something like that.

677
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy, I think genuinely. I think if this

678
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: movie came out today but it wasn't Freddy, if it

679
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: was a different, different creature, whatever, if this movie came

680
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 1: out today, I feel like you'd have a whole bunch

681
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: of film snobs freaking out. But how brilliant. This is

682
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: absolutely this same movie, this same movie. You can maybe

683
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: remove the baby wils.

684
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 4: And the rabbit rats and the cat with the with

685
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 4: the vampire fings like that, that same movie.

686
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: Yep, Because they would make a case for this represents

687
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: the hell that gave people go through when they're wrestling

688
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: with it. I'm telling you, there would be fucking think pieces.

689
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: There'd be pretentious mustache hipsters being like this is the

690
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: best movie ever made. I'm telling you they made the

691
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: movie good.

692
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 5: No, y'all, that don't make a move. Think Pieces don't make.

693
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: A good movie.

694
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 2: Pieces movies sure, you know a lot of times, but

695
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 2: doesn't make it better.

696
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: No.

697
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: I think I think pieces that people write at too movie,

698
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: you know, lower following and stuff like that, and you

699
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: have people that then I.

700
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: Think group think sets in.

701
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: So then you have people were like, oh, they probably

702
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 2: don't like the movie, but because of all this other stuff,

703
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: we're like, oh yeah, it's bringing stuff, this, that, and

704
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 2: the other, because everybody else is writing about all these

705
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: other things, these extra thing that's in a movie.

706
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: So I think you do have that happening a lot nowadays. Yeah,

707
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: the think pieces don't necessarily make a movie better, but

708
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: I do think that some think pieces make us understand

709
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: films better. Like when I first I still liked The

710
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: Baba Duke, but when I read a couple of think

711
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: pieces about how it was metaphors for this and that,

712
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, it's a bit better. Matter

713
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: of fact, y'all know, I hated everything everywhere the first

714
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 1: time I watched it. All it took was me talking

715
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: to a couple of people and watching it one more

716
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: time and I was like, oh, I think I get

717
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: it now. Now I think the movie's fucking brilliant. It

718
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 1: just takes that sometimes. Unfortunately, for this movie, it took

719
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: thirty years because the people that made the movie lied

720
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 1: about it. If they had been honest about the gay subtext,

721
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: I think people would look back and be like, fuck,

722
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: that motherfucker was onto something, because now a ton of

723
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: movies are doing that. How many times we watch horror

724
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: movies and it's like, oh, well, this is really a

725
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: metaphor for this. This is really a metaphor for this.

726
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: It happens all the time. They were ahead of the curve.

727
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: So this dumb funck had been honest about it, he'd

728
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: have been straight.

729
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 2: Sometimes I do think they, oh Jesus, you know what

730
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: I mean. Sometimes I do think, especially nowadays, uh, they do.

731
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: You know, over metaphor movies.

732
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: They always and I'm like, oh my god, why does

733
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 2: it got to be this?

734
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 1: It was? I can't. I wish I could remember the movie.

735
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: I was like, what likes looking for?

736
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 3: My whole thing is if it is that, sure, fine, cool,

737
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 3: It's still not. That's fine.

738
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that bad though.

739
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 5: It makes the worse, is what it is.

740
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: Why would be worse?

741
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: I think it makes things in the movie make a

742
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 2: little bit more sense by having that that additional content

743
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:55,959
Speaker 2: does make it.

744
00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 4: I mean, it makes it Okay, have a point, but

745
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 4: your point is still poorly executed. And so you put

746
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 4: all this thought into the point that you're making, but

747
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 4: you still ain't making it look like nothing.

748
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: I think, I don't. I disagree because I feel like

749
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: what makes part of what makes this movie so interesting

750
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: and part of what makes it better is when you

751
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: watch the documentary and then you hear these gay people

752
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: that were like we always saw it, we knew what

753
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: this was. It resonated with them, but it didn't resonate

754
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: with us because we weren't in that lifestyle. So to us,

755
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: it was all like, what the fuck is happening? This

756
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: is weird, This makes no sense. But to the gay

757
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: people that were like girl, it totally makes sense.

758
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 3: It's not it wasn't enough representation for me, Like for that,

759
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 3: what do you mean? It wasn't enough that that said

760
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 3: that the stuff that you were saying didn't really it

761
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 3: was a stretch for me.

762
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: It hit into coded I want if it.

763
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess it was too colded because to me

764
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 3: that stuff came off as other eighty stuff that you know,

765
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 3: the whole jock era of eighties, and that's how it came.

766
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: I understand. I didn't look.

767
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 2: I just realized this a couple of years ago, like

768
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: I went just going through my things, so I know

769
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: any about this, So so yeah, So it's not like

770
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: I caught it while I was watching it back then.

771
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 2: A yeah, but no straight people did. That's the point.

772
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 2: It was only coded to us. Gay people got it.

773
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 3: But I guess you could say that about a lot

774
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 3: of stuff in the eighties. I mean, because like weird

775
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 3: science they were, it was about women, but then you

776
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 3: had the older brother that was like real weird sexually

777
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 3: to like like, I mean, they did that type of

778
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 3: stuff in the eighties, so it just kind of went

779
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 3: right in line with that unless they all was what

780
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 3: kind of stuff like he was smacking them on the

781
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 3: ass and just doing.

782
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,439
Speaker 1: Other That's not the point. The point is when yeah,

783
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: you can do normal things all the time, but when

784
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: you put it in context, it means something else. Donald

785
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: Glover does it all the fucking time, but we give

786
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 1: him the grace of being this creative. Or Jordan Jordan

787
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: Peel does the same type of shit, but we give

788
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 1: him the grace as a creative, Like well maybe that

789
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: means something else.

790
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 3: Well, we give him the grace because it's executed better. Sure,

791
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 3: but this was only also thirty years ago.

792
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: Name me a film in nineteen eighty four that was

793
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: doing something this creative four, that was making the metaphorical films.

794
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 3: But but again, I think a lot of people could

795
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 3: say that, and not a lot of people. But I'm

796
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 3: sure other people can say that this was a metaphor for.

797
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: Something else, like what.

798
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 3: I don't know exactly didn't I don't know. I don't

799
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 3: know why tron is coming to mind or regardless one

800
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 3: of them, I can't remember.

801
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: But horror they did it. They they did it before

802
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: a lot of other people did for a lot. I

803
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: can't even I've watched more horror than anybody here. It's

804
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 1: not I'm general, No, we're talking about horror. Horror like

805
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 1: to take a creature, a monster, some sort of evil

806
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: character and make him an entire metaphor for something else.

807
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: I can't think of many films that were doing this

808
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: in the eighties, the early eighties. Yeah, you can twist

809
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,439
Speaker 1: anything into a metaphor, and you can think, oh, well,

810
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 1: Princess Bride is a metaphor, Cinderella is a metaphor, sure,

811
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: but when you really sit down with this and you

812
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: start looking at it from that aspect, you can pick

813
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: it out and you say, oh, I see why he

814
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: did this. Oh wow, that's fucking crazy. And then when

815
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 1: you talk to actual gay people they're like, yes, we

816
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 1: see it. Then it's not a made up thing. Again.

817
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 3: If it is, that's totally fine, that's cool. I'm all

818
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 3: for that. As a filmmaker, all I'm saying is that

819
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 3: I feel like there were better movies in the eighties

820
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 3: that did it better.

821
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: You have to come to the shoot with some I know.

822
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: So if you can think of some that were doing

823
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: metaphorical horror metaphor, then I would love to know. But

824
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: there weren't many, and especially if you think they were

825
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: done so much better. I would love to know what

826
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 1: these films are. But I think right now I think

827
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: that they did a decent job. It's still not an

828
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: amazing film, and it's an absolute terrible Freddie film. Don't

829
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: get it twisted. It's a trash Freddie film. But if

830
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: it was something else, I think this conversation would be

831
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: way different because it wouldn't be a not that bad

832
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: y'all may not still like it, but it wouldn't be

833
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 1: a not that bad because it wouldn't be hordes of

834
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: people being like this movie sucks. It would be hordes

835
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: of people being like, oh my god, this is so creative.

836
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 1: And it wouldn't be attached to an iconic. That's where

837
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: they fucked up. They attached it to Freddy. If it

838
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: wasn't attached to Freddy, it would be a completely different conversation.

839
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: But I love the iconic. You got the body and

840
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: I got the brain. Like that, you should say you

841
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: got the booty, you got the booty and I got

842
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: the Oh. One more thing there was this There was

843
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: an interview with Robert England where he said there was

844
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: a part in the film where it was his idea.

845
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: If you remember when before you got the Body got

846
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 1: the Brains part, he's stroking his face with his finger.

847
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: He's supposed to put his deep throat. That's crazy. So

848
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, it's there. It was supposed to, but

849
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: they took it out because they said it was too far.

850
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: Freddy or Robert England came up with that on his

851
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 1: own in that scene because he knew what they were doing.

852
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: I'm telling y'all, it's there. It's not. It's not made up.

853
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 5: It's not doubt you.

854
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 4: I believe that it's there, and I understand and I

855
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 4: get it. I just for me, as someone who already

856
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 4: doesn't like this kind of these kind of movies, it's

857
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 4: not it doesn't mean enough to make me say, oh

858
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 4: this is deep, right, And yeah, I just don't.

859
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 5: In terms of a horror.

860
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 4: It wasn't funny, it wasn't scary. It was like and yeah.

861
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: It was creepy, though I don't even feel like it

862
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: was creepy. It wasn't to me, and someone who bought.

863
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 5: It was weird. I was like, what the fuck is this?

864
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 4: And but I do have to remember this is eighty five,

865
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 4: so for them to have like really Babyface rock Whiler

866
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Speaker 4: looking dogs, right, But I don't. I will say that this, this,

867
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Speaker 4: this underlying meaning in this subtext maybe makes it a

868
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Speaker 4: bit more interesting.

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Speaker 5: It's not good though still it's still not. It's still

870
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 5: as bad as people said.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead. I was just saying.

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Speaker 3: One of the one of the one of the better

873
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 3: executed scenes was probably when he saw his friend and

874
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:34,479
Speaker 3: Freddie was trying to come out of his body.

875
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, when his eyeball was down the like that.

876
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 3: That whole sequence was probably the best of that of

877
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 3: this movie in my opinion. It was executed really well,

878
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 3: Like it was really creepy, like you know, him breaking

879
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 3: out of his body, like, yeah, that that was wild.

880
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 5: Wild he birthed Freddy.

881
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 1: Yeah kind of mother.

882
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 5: Mother.

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00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: I wish I would never try to convince y'all at

884
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: this is good and I'm not sure and I'm not

885
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: trying to so that's what taking from that. I'm not

886
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: trying to do that. I'm just trying to convince whoever's

887
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: listening that's like been hearing for decades that this is

888
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 1: a trash film and it's the worst horror movie. It's

889
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: really not that bad. You just have to walk into

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00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: it with a certain context. If I never had the context,

891
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: I would still think this is an awful.

892
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I will say the best job

893
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 4: of supporting your film.

894
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: You came right. I know you'll never do it, but

895
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: if you do, happen to at some point get bored

896
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: and rewatch it. I'm telling you this ship, I'm telling

897
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: you to rewatch it. It's that simple. It's really that.

898
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 3: It's I could see the whole movie in my head

899
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 3: right the whole movie sceing by scene.

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Speaker 1: It meant something to you. I just it's just not

901
00:47:55,640 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: that deep. Just there was a book that Jesse had.

902
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 2: It was either Jesse had or was on his bookshelves somewhere,

903
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: and I can obviously I couldn't find it on Google,

904
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 2: but I looked up the books and the book is

905
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: reference to some type of coming out or whatever.

906
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: Yes, really it was. I think it's a book that's

907
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: on his nightstand in his bedroom, but it was.

908
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 2: It was like, it seemed like it was intentionally placed

909
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 2: there for a reason.

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00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: I genuinely think they did this as as a shout

911
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: out to the gay community. But then at some point

912
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: they were like, this is probably not the best idea

913
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 1: because this is not gonna make us look good and

914
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: we might get blackballed, so maybe we shouldn't do this.

915
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: So they tried to lie and say that that's not

916
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: what was happening. But they walk into this film saying,

917
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: we are making a movie for the gay community. There

918
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: were all the movies like that that Scorsese did them.

919
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 1: There were movies that were homages to the gay community,

920
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: but they weren't Scorsese.

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00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 3: Right right right, And that's what that's what I think

922
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 3: I'm remembering. But yeah, like I said, I'm gonna go

923
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 3: do this a little bit of research. I wish I

924
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 3: would to know you was gonna come with that, so

925
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 3: I could just debump out of it.

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00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: You can't. I've watched a million horror movies. There's a few.

927
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: I'm not saying there's zero metaphorical horror. But it wasn't

928
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: a really a thing in the eighties. The eighties was

929
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: really just here's a slasher, here's this guy showing up

930
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: to kill people. Here's this guy in the mask stabbing people.

931
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: That was really it? Would you say, oh? I thought?

932
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, if you if you can think of something

933
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: I would, I would. I would love to, maybe not

934
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: during a shoot, revisit this conversation, but but yeah, that's

935
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: gonna do it. I can't wait to hear what all

936
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: these homophobes think about this film. But sure, go ahead

937
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: and leave some comments on Reddit and let us know

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00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: how trash you think this movie is or if you

939
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: maybe agree. Have you watched the documentary screen queens, what

940
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: did you think of it? And yeah, that's it. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for listening, and we'll see you next time.