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Speaker 1: for them. On Sunday when we talk Steelers with somebody

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Speaker 1: that covers them and Matt Taylor, the voice of the

432
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Speaker 1: Colts as well on this ERSA collection Thursday quarying company

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Speaker 1: on the fan Princess Cloud Electric guitar collection began when

434
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Speaker 1: he was inspired by a guitar from nineteen seventy two

435
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Speaker 1: and then decided that in nineteen eighty three he wanted

436
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Speaker 1: guitars commissioned for him. That includes the Yellow Cloud, which

437
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Speaker 1: is one that he had used on numerous occasion, including

438
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Speaker 1: in the recording of the album of Purple Rain. The

439
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Speaker 1: Yellow Cloud one of the guitars that is now part

440
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Speaker 1: of the Jim Erse collection that will be up for sale.

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Speaker 1: Different items of that we will talk about over the

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Speaker 1: course of the show today. But let's go now to

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Speaker 1: the Java House, Peel and poor guest Line where joining

444
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Speaker 1: us now he of course is the authority when it

445
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Speaker 1: comes to talking about the Pacers and the Fever for

446
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: that matter. Locked on Pacers, Circle City, Spin and Forbes,

447
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Speaker 1: amongst others, where you can see and hear Tony East

448
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: along with this program. Tony begin with this. I know

449
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: last night was one that was even with the struggles

450
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 1: and even with the short handed nature of it, you know,

451
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: the pacers still put themselves in position there towards the

452
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Speaker 1: end when you look at in particular their backcourt play

453
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Speaker 1: and their lack of consistency of shooting from the outside,

454
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Speaker 1: do you attribute that to or how much do you

455
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Speaker 1: attribute that to, just as we were talking about a

456
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Speaker 1: moment ago, familiarity at this point of cohesiveness in terms

457
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: of their offense, just because they have so many new

458
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: faces out there.

459
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that in their you know, lineups that they probably

460
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 4: never expected to play, you know, certainly plays a part

461
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 4: in the quality of shots they're creating, the openness of

462
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 4: those shots. You know, They've had a couple of games

463
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Speaker 4: this year where I don't walk away from a feeling

464
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Speaker 4: like their offense was like so awful or their ball

465
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Speaker 4: movement was terrible.

466
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Speaker 5: But then you look after last.

467
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 4: Night and they had twenty assists against Dallas, Like, that's

468
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 4: so low for the way they play and the way

469
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 4: that they hope to play now. Also, obviously to get

470
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 4: and assist, someone has to make a shot, and they

471
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 4: couldn't make anything last night.

472
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Speaker 5: But they just they haven't had quite.

473
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Speaker 4: The same connectivity pop whatever you want to call it,

474
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Speaker 4: what they're passing, whether that's due to player absences, whether

475
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 4: that's due to chemistry with these new lineups.

476
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Speaker 5: That's I think that's certainly part of it. But at

477
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 5: the same time, we've seen.

478
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 4: All these individuals, even without Tyrus Holburn available, be better

479
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 4: at scoring and shooting to this even in these kind

480
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 4: of situation before, so I think last night was uniquely bad.

481
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 4: It was the seventieth time ever they shot under thirty

482
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 4: five percent in franchise history, and it cost them because

483
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Speaker 4: they easily could have won that game with the normal

484
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Speaker 4: finishing day Tony.

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Speaker 1: The one of the things I thought about as I

486
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Speaker 1: was watching the game last night, And it's a hard

487
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Speaker 1: one to really pinpoint because Pascal Siakam always kind of

488
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: looks fatigued. I don't mean that, you know what I mean,

489
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Speaker 1: He just his body language is such that at times

490
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: it looks laborious. But when Siakam, I remember when Siakam

491
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Speaker 1: was up for contract and the discussion about not a

492
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Speaker 1: deep discussion, but there was discussion about his age versus

493
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Speaker 1: that of a Tyrese Haliburton or an aaron NEI Smith,

494
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Speaker 1: et cetera. And one of the real selling points about

495
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Speaker 1: Siakam was he had not had the number of minutes

496
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Speaker 1: or games played he didn't have the mileage for his

497
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Speaker 1: age in Toronto that other players may. Is there concern

498
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Speaker 1: that this year is actually going to be too compounding

499
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Speaker 1: on Siakam for everything timing wise to work out in

500
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Speaker 1: the back end of that contract.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there should be.

502
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Speaker 4: I mean, this is not a year to ride anybody

503
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 4: a ton of minutes, right, Like, you want to be

504
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 4: cautious of what Pascal Siakam will be next year more

505
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 4: than anything. And I get that they don't have a

506
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 4: lot of available players and they need to play somebody.

507
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Speaker 5: Siakam's at thirty six minutes a game this year.

508
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Speaker 4: That also includes a double overtime game, so it's probably

509
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 4: closer to thirty four if we're just talking in a

510
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 4: regular game, and that'd be higher than anytime he's had

511
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 4: with the Pacers by over like a minute and a half.

512
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,719
Speaker 4: He's obviously played more than that in the past with Toronto,

513
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 4: but he's also thirty one now right in turns I

514
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 4: believe thirty two during the season, So they have to

515
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 4: be careful with the right balance of that and putting

516
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 4: the right amount of miles on him. And I would

517
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Speaker 4: have said that even before they were missing eight of

518
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 4: their eighteen players and I like that the whole team basically,

519
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 4: So that is certainly a concern. And it's crazy because

520
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,719
Speaker 4: you look and he's averaging twenty six and eleven right now.

521
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 4: I mean, he has done everything for this team besides

522
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 4: to make free throws this season and they wouldn't.

523
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Speaker 5: Even have a chance to win some of these games

524
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Speaker 5: without them.

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Speaker 4: But yet we walk away from them all talking about

526
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Speaker 4: like man like, yeah, they did great, but is this

527
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 4: too much? Like do they need to find a better

528
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 4: balance of Siakam because every team is doubling him right now.

529
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 5: Because the Pacers can't do anything else.

530
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Speaker 4: So not only is he playing a lot of minutes

531
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Speaker 4: thirty six per game, those are like the hardest minutes

532
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 4: possible in terms of what it does to your behinded body.

533
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 4: So they have to be cognizant of that. But they

534
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 4: also have to win some games, and they haven't been

535
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Speaker 4: able to do that yet because of how biged up

536
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 4: they are, especially behind them, they don't have top there

537
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Speaker 4: anymore either.

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Speaker 1: What's your level of concern over the length of the

539
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Speaker 1: top and injury.

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Speaker 4: It has to be a big one, I mean now,

541
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Speaker 4: so I don't know what we'll view in retrospect as

542
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 4: the injury. That was like the final straw of this

543
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 4: is too many. I personally felt that way about Matherin

544
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 4: a little bit.

545
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Speaker 5: But topping might be the answer to some because now

546
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Speaker 5: they have six.

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Speaker 4: Of their top eight from last year unavailable right one

548
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 4: of them is on the Milwaukee Bucks and the other

549
00:30:58,520 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 4: five are hurt.

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Speaker 6: And was you know a.

551
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 5: Bench player who just found a way to fit with everybody.

552
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 4: Right when he came to the Pacers, everybody thought it

553
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 4: was gonna be a great.

554
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 5: Fit with Alburn and then what made them.

555
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 4: Great for the Pacers actually was he fit with everybody,

556
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 4: and now he fits with nobody because he can't play,

557
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 4: and their bench unit just loses so much shooting and

558
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 4: you know athletic pop and play finishing in a way

559
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 4: that is really hard to make up. I mean, their

560
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 4: second unit played well last night, to be clear, but

561
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Speaker 4: like Mac McClung, Jay Huff, Ray J. Dennis, Tony Bradley,

562
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 4: Quinton Jackson's second unit is not a lot, if any

563
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 4: really shot making, and Huff needs to get his shot

564
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 4: going to be a shot maker for that group, you

565
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 4: know from deep They got four from Ray J. Dennis

566
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 4: last night, but you can't expect that and even with

567
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 4: getting four from ray J. Dennis, they were six to seventeen.

568
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 4: Is the second unit from deep like they're gonna missed

569
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 4: up in a lot, and he was their center, their

570
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 4: best center at times this season, and by times, I

571
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 4: mean basically every time they had any important moment going on.

572
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Speaker 5: So it's a huge loss and it is the one

573
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Speaker 5: for my own brain.

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Speaker 4: It was the damn break of like, oh boy, like

575
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 4: they are going to be relying on some really weird,

576
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 4: goofy crazy lineups now because again they have two of

577
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 4: their top eight and then everybody else was like either

578
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 4: out of their rotation last year or barely in it

579
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 4: in the case of Shepherd Walker, and they've got to

580
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 4: find a way to win with that crew until people return,

581
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 4: and it's going to be still some time before they

582
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 4: get some of their key players back. So being create,

583
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 4: I think they're starting lit up. They found last night

584
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 4: was pretty good, but they're gonna have to be created

585
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 4: to find lineups that actually work. And amazingly, topping is

586
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 4: a guy that's injury made that the case.

587
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: Ben Shephard in terms of running the point, you know,

588
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: which is now part of his responsibility. I'm not saying

589
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: that he did not in spurts or in some sets

590
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: do that previously. But if that's going to become a

591
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: for the time being, a big responsibility for Ben Shephard Tony,

592
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: how much do you think that is a learned skill

593
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: set that he has. In other words, he's a guy

594
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Speaker 1: that's payed a lot of minutes. He's a guy that's

595
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: been on the floor in key moments for Indiana, you know,

596
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: since he entered the league. But in terms of being

597
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: at the top of the key and starting distribution as

598
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: opposed to being in the corner and then just facilitating

599
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: it once a set starts to slow down a little bit,

600
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Speaker 1: how big an adjustment do you think that is for him?

601
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Speaker 4: It's very different, and so to his credit so far,

602
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 4: Like I think this is by far the most we've

603
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 4: seen him get into the paint at all with the

604
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 4: pacers in terms of just like dribbling around the screen

605
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 4: or dribbling around the defender to be in a place

606
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 4: where he can at least kind of set something up.

607
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's going super well, but like better

608
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 4: than I've ever seen him.

609
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 5: Be with his attacks. That's a big change from him, right, Like.

610
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 4: You said, he's always kind of been run to the corner,

611
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 4: finish a play, run to the corner, immediately pass it

612
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 4: to somebody else and cut somewhere else like and that

613
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 4: stuff is all very important to the function of the team.

614
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 4: That's why where Carlisle has always been such a fan

615
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 4: of his. But this is different, This is much, much different.

616
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,959
Speaker 4: He has asked to actually put the ball Lauren create shots,

617
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 4: and he's got again, he's gotten a wiggled to get

618
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 4: inside the arc, but it has subtracted from his ability

619
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 4: to do the other thing that makes him good, which

620
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 4: to shoot threes. I mean, he's been dreadful, dreadful as

621
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 4: a jump shooter this year, and everybody was basically except

622
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 4: for Jaris Walker and ray J Dennis last night from three.

623
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 5: But you know they like that's what.

624
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 4: They need him to do usually is, you know, defend

625
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 4: a guard and like to make life hard on the

626
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 4: guard and get skinny around screens and make threes. And

627
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 4: it's hard for him to do either because he's using

628
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 4: so much energy.

629
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Speaker 5: As the one. When I talked to him in Memphis,

630
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 5: we kind.

631
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 4: Of talked about how in his eyes and even Taylor

632
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 4: Peter felt this way too, because he was kind of

633
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 4: playing back a point guard, they are technically the point guard.

634
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 4: They are taking it across the court. Sometimes they're asked

635
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 4: kind of get in the teeth and distribute, but they

636
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 4: kind of view it as like, yeah, they they're dribbling

637
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 4: across half court, but the system is the point guard.

638
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 4: Like they just have to get the place started and

639
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 4: then everybody flows and runs an its action to action,

640
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 4: and then eventually the team gets a good shot. And

641
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 4: I do agree with that that does take away some

642
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,240
Speaker 4: responsibility from these non nominal point guards, but the system

643
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 4: still doesn't function as well without.

644
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 5: A guy who is visioned to see.

645
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 4: Openings or a guy who knows the timing of when

646
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 4: someone's going to get openers. Just a wiz in transition

647
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 4: isn't there. And that's why I think recently they function

648
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 4: so much better with the ray J Dennis and the floor.

649
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 5: Dennis isn't going to.

650
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 4: Shoot this well forever, but he has some of those

651
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 4: more nominal point guard and natural distributing skills that are

652
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 4: lacking elsewhere. So I don't mean to take your bench

653
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 4: shepherd question and get it somewhere else, but I think

654
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 4: their point guard situation having just two two way guys

655
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 4: available has really shown that, yes, there are alignments where

656
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 4: they don't need one. They can have ball handlers who

657
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 4: are not natural passers and their system will work.

658
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 5: Okay, they'll get good shots out of it, but they.

659
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 4: Still function just a little bit better offensively if they

660
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 4: have someone out there who can kind of set stuff

661
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 4: up and get things going.

662
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Speaker 1: Tony East is our guest Java House Peel and poor

663
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Speaker 1: guest line is where he is appearing. Tony your thoughts

664
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: last night on Matt McClung, and I don't know that

665
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: we've talked to you since he was acquired by Indiana.

666
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: Were you surprised by, I guess the link of the

667
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: deal in terms of his signing and just what you

668
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 1: thought he gave last night, even though obviously limited.

669
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought the move made sense, not just like

670
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 4: I'd say, talent wise, My opinion of James Wiseman and

671
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 4: Magnet Clung is about the same. Like that's basically a

672
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 4: lotch to me in terms of add or a loss

673
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 4: of talent, but in terms of what the Pacers get

674
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 4: in terms of roster balance and what they need right now,

675
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 4: it makes stuns of sense. Right they were last night,

676
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 4: they would have been playing with ten players, and four

677
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 4: of them would.

678
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 5: Have been centers. Right.

679
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 4: You just can't do that like they did that in

680
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 4: Minnesota and they had to start Jay Huff and Isaiah Jackson.

681
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 5: It didn't work right. That's why they didn't want to

682
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 5: do that again.

683
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 4: They get another guard in the door and they can

684
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 4: play all of Bradley, Huff and Jackson a normal amount

685
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 4: of time and then have a bench unit that actually

686
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 4: works and makes at least some sense.

687
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 5: And mcconklay fine, right, he had to and one three

688
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 5: he got to the basket.

689
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 4: Actually, his peesky defense was the thing that I was like, oh, okay,

690
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 4: like I have a little actual impression of your defense

691
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 4: from the Gleague or your six NBA games.

692
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 5: You know, who knows if this will hold up. But

693
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 5: like it was the fact that he.

694
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 4: Didn't look like My grade for players who have been

695
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 4: on the team for a day is usually that like,

696
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 4: do you look like you've been on the team for

697
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 4: a day, or do you look like you know what

698
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 4: you're doing?

699
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 5: And he looked like he knew what he was doing.

700
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 5: So we'll see if shots continue to go win or not.

701
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 5: But it was a fine.

702
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 4: Debut and I understood the move. As for the length

703
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 4: of the contract. This has become a Pacer special. This

704
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 4: is a Pacer special to me. This is the third

705
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 4: or fourth guy across the last two seasons that they've

706
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 4: gone fully non guaranteed for two years with a team

707
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 4: option on the second year. Basically, what they're doing is

708
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 4: they're buying the team option. They're saying, if you play well,

709
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 4: we get to keep you for another non guaranteed year,

710
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 4: and if you don't, yeah, we tell you a little

711
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 4: more this year, but it doesn't actually hurt us.

712
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 5: We can just cut you. So Moses Brown got that

713
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 5: contract and he didn't fit particularly well and he got waived.

714
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 5: Tony Bradley got that contract and now he's.

715
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 4: On the team again, right like They got lucky to

716
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 4: get Tony Bradley on that contract, and he's been maybe

717
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 4: their best center of this season.

718
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 5: I think Benny would say.

719
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 4: That his firsts have been their best over the weekend

720
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,479
Speaker 4: and then their most recent game. So sometimes it works,

721
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 4: sometimes it doesn't. It costs you a little bit more upfront,

722
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 4: but they can afford to do that.

723
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 5: If McClung is any.

724
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 4: Good for them or fits their system, they'll be happy

725
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 4: they have a multi year deal because it's completely non guaranteed,

726
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 4: and if he doesn't, there's not actually that much harm

727
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 4: because they.

728
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 5: Can kind of cut him any time.

729
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 4: So it does hurt them a little bit in terms

730
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 4: of immediate flexibility of spending, but it depends on how

731
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 4: long he's on the team in terms of how much

732
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 4: it hurts them, And if he's on the team for

733
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 4: long anyway, it's not that big of a deal. So

734
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 4: it's kind of creative the way they're doing it. And

735
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Speaker 4: I thought he was adequate in his first game, Tony.

736
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 2: He joins us on the Java House Peel and poor

737
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: guest line use code Jake twenty five or twenty five

738
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: percent look off of your order online, Tony to kind

739
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 2: of piggyback off of the mac McClung discussion. Why would

740
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 2: they give him a two year non guaranteed deal versus

741
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 2: converting one of Quinton Jackson or Ray J. Dennis from

742
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: a two way to a standard NBA contract and then

743
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: signing mac McClung to the two way deal. Why'd they

744
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 2: do it that way instead of the.

745
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 5: Other, Because it doesn't matter.

746
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 4: I mean, like you, the thing about two ways is

747
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 4: that the players are like it's always hard to get

748
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 4: your head and I struggle like thinking about this correctly,

749
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 4: Like a two way contract player is technically on your

750
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 4: team already, right, and so you don't have to convert them.

751
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 4: The reason you would convert them is to do what

752
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 4: you said, to open up a.

753
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 5: Two way spot for someone else. McClung has, I believe, exactly.

754
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 4: Four years of service in the NBA, so I think

755
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 4: he would have been eligible for a two way one

756
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 4: more time. I'm not actually, it's so confusing when players

757
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 4: have a full season or they don't play when it

758
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 4: comes to years of service, but I believe that would

759
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 4: have counted for him either way. Yeah, that would have

760
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 4: been possible for them to do. But they don't have

761
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 4: to do that right like now, because if you convert

762
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 4: that guy, he's not on a non guaranteed two year

763
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 4: deal with a team option. They'd be on a one year,

764
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 4: non guaranteed minimum if you just straight convert them, So

765
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 4: you can always resign them to something different. But you know,

766
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 4: there's no functional difference outside of not rewarding a guy

767
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 4: who's been on your team. And if McClung stinks, maybe

768
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 4: they can go, Okay, great, let's try what you just said.

769
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 4: Let's convert to you or convert Ray J and then

770
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 4: do somebody else on this two way.

771
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 5: But you know, there's no actually like.

772
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 4: Functional difference in terms of who can play in games

773
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 4: for them. If anything, the difference is once the season starts,

774
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 4: the amount of games are available to play on a

775
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 4: two way deal starts to pro rate, and it hasn't

776
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 4: you know, it doesn't change for the guys who start

777
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 4: the season on the team. So they maximize their number

778
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 4: of two way games this way. And we'll see if

779
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 4: that action isn't mattering or.

780
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: Not fascinating to me. And I would assume Tony in

781
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: conclusion that you know, each franchise has someone who does

782
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: nothing but looks at the nuances of contracts in terms

783
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: of links flexibility two way versus you know, you start

784
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: getting into all of the finite of legality and salary

785
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: cap and maneuverability of finance and all of that. You

786
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: would think that Kevin Pritchard and Chad Buchanan are saying, Okay,

787
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: here's a guy we're interested in, and then who would

788
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: it be? Would it be ted? Did they go to

789
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: and they say, how does this work out? Or where

790
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: do we massage it? Is there an office that looks

791
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: at specifically that when personnel is then mentioned.

792
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, Ted's the expert on that.

793
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 4: You know, he used to be Peter Dinwoody if you

794
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 4: remember him, yep, you know. And it's the questions are

795
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 4: kind of just like can we do this?

796
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 5: Should we? You know, how does that work? And then

797
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 5: someone says no, we can't, or like, oh.

798
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 4: That doesn't actually give us an advantage at least that'd

799
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 4: be my interpretation. And every single team or most teams

800
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 4: now do something like this, And like, if someone listening

801
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 4: to this is a football guy, I mean, how many

802
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 4: times has the New Orleans Saints created an advantage spending

803
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 4: wise out of nothing by you know, knowing the capit

804
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 4: rules differently than other teams are interpreting them or using

805
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 4: them differently than other teams. And I would say there

806
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 4: are a lot of NBA teams that you can tell

807
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 4: who is you know, or how much poll or what

808
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 4: kind of cap guy they have, given what their moves

809
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 4: are and what they specialize in, Like the Knicks have

810
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 4: a very creative and well known cap guy. The Lakers

811
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 4: love to give out player options for some reason, that's

812
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 4: their thing. The Rockets are very good at negotiating that's

813
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 4: their thing. They're good at getting everything down. And every

814
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 4: team has like a style of contract. For a while,

815
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 4: few people would always call me and be like, oh,

816
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 4: it's a Pacers deal, be flat, right, because they had

817
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 4: a flat contract for Aaronie Smith and Doug McDermott a

818
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 4: couple other guys. Now it's the Hawks who are doing that, right, Like,

819
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 4: there are always little things here and there that kind

820
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 4: of differentiate how teams spend their money. In the Pacers,

821
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 4: this new little non guaranteed two year team option thing

822
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 4: has been something they've been interacted to.

823
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 5: The last couple of years.

824
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 4: And you know, sometimes it doesn't work, like with Moses Brown,

825
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 4: and sometimes it's great, like with Tony Bradley. So you

826
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 4: just never know, and maybe McClung will be something for them.

827
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: Ted Wo by the way, the executive vice president Basketball

828
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: Operations and assistant general manager for the Pacers and kind

829
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: of their numerologist capologists if.

830
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 5: You very very sharp.

831
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so with Peternbody right, same type for all

832
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: those guys are far beyond my intellectual capability. No question,

833
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: Tony appreciate it as always. The aforementioned Atlanta Hawks, by

834
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,439
Speaker 1: the way, are the ones that are at the Fieldhouse tomorrow.

835
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

836
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 5: Tony, Yeah, thanks for having me, guys.

837
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 1: Tony East on the Java House, Peel and Port guests.

838
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: I mean, come back quick look at the pace or

839
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: I keep getting those two mixed up. The Colts back

840
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: to that side of it in terms of their injury report,

841
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: because practice yesterday there were some that were not out there.

842
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: We will get you up to speed on it. Next.

843
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: The Fender Bird, by the way, is the guitar this

844
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: obviously this song close to the Colts and John in

845
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: John Whistle, I should say, of the who playing the

846
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: Finderbird played this for a five year stretch, one would

847
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: assume that it is on this song as well. That

848
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: is also part of the Jim Ursay collection. I don't

849
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: know that I realized. Did you ever go Eddie to

850
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: see the Jim Mersey collection. I did not. I don't

851
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: know that I ever realized the I mean, it's impressive

852
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 1: when you really look at the list. You can go

853
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,439
Speaker 1: and see it as one thing, but then to look

854
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: at a list of all of the different things that

855
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: are on it is when you're really like wow, I mean,

856
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: then it really jumps out at you. Also jumping out

857
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 1: at me those that didn't practice yesterday for the Colts,

858
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: I don't know that that I anticipated it to me

859
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: this vast Nick Cross did not practice yesterday with a

860
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: shoulder injury. Josh Downs did not practice with a hip injury.

861
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: I'm listing for you. I'm reading for you what is

862
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: listed as the reasoning. You know, we knew that Samson

863
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: Ebcom with a knee injury. Go, thank you, let's go.

864
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 6: Jackie.

865
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: Pause when I say it.

866
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: You can't get Colts and Pacers right, but you can

867
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 2: sure as hell get Samson.

868
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: Obcom right, right, that's exactly correct. But you know we

869
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: knew that that with the knee injury, that he was

870
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: one of them. Matt Gonzalvus condolences to him. His father

871
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: passed and so he did not practice yesterday. Anthony Gould,

872
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: we anticipated would be out.

873
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 5: He is.

874
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: He did not practice. I shouldn't say he's out for

875
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: the game, but he did not practice yesterday with a

876
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: knee injury. Jalen Jones is the big one because with

877
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: the hamstring he went full practice yesterday and it is

878
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: trending like they're going to get that back in their

879
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: defensive backfield, which is big. Tai kwad Lewis didn't practice.

880
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: What's that friend of the show. Kenny Moore didn't practice

881
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: with that achilles, But that is the same as what

882
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: happened a week ago. And then obviously he did play.

883
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 1: Braiden Smith always gets that rest day. I'd like to do.

884
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: Braiden Smith's got the I mean, that guy's got the

885
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: deal man. I'm just going to take Wednesdays off.

886
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: Well, remember he's got that. I think it's a degenerative

887
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 2: knee issue. And they're kind of like, yeah.

888
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: I get it. And benjam players kind of earned that right.

889
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: Grover Stewart also with a foot. We all have a foot,

890
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: most of us do, fortunately, and he did not practice yesterday.

891
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 1: I said two of them two feet? Yeah, really, yeah,

892
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, you am I. So those

893
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: are those that we will keep an eye on. We

894
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: will talk actually from the Pittsburgh standpoint of things, about

895
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,959
Speaker 1: what the Steelers might have in store as the Colts

896
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: go to a place that they have not won since

897
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight basketball last night. Beyond just the

898
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: Pacers that discussion next. The Fender Mustang of Kurt Cobain

899
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: was used not only in never Mind, but also in

900
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: Utero and of course smells like teen Spirit, the signature

901
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: song of Nirvana, and that guitar that you're hearing, I

902
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:24,919
Speaker 1: don't know if it's the exact one of the time

903
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: of recording, but the one that he used throughout the

904
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: time that they were doing never mind Kurt Cobain. That

905
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: is one of those in the Jim Mersey collection. Good

906
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: afternoon to you On a Thursday, Jake Quarry along with

907
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: Eddie Garrison at his Quarrying company here on ninety three

908
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 1: to five and one oh seven five the Fan College

909
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 1: Basketball to discuss last night Pacers as well. We'll get

910
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: into that in just a moment. Happy Thursday. I hope

911
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: you're doing well, Jay, but you know it's a I'm

912
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 1: starting to feel better. I mentioned to you earlier that

913
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: a couple of times, I don't know, a couple times

914
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: a month in the morning, the medication and I take

915
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, eh, And so therefore I'm like, you know,

916
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: I got to lean on you a little bit, right.

917
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, Let's see. That's what happens, Jake. When you lean

918
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 2: on me, you just start feeling.

919
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 1: A whole lot better. That's it. I wonder if there's

920
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: a guitar in that song lean on Me When Yon

921
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: is that? Is that one of them that he thinks

922
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: in these collection there, I don't know the stuff that

923
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 1: is in there. And for those that are just joining us,

924
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: if you're wondering why we keep talking about the Erthsay collection,

925
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: the news came out today. I don't think it's overly surprising,

926
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: but I want to get back into it as well,

927
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: about the fact that the Jimmerse collection, which he took

928
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: great pride in his three daughters have decided that they

929
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: are going to put that up for sale at auction.

930
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 1: And I think there's probably more to that that we'll

931
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: get into. And it takes me back to Eddie. You're

932
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: when you were a kid growing up mm hm, and

933
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: obviously your parents are still around and healthy and vibrant.

934
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: Was there something that your parents had or collected or

935
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 1: what everywhere else that deep down and you're like, yeah,

936
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: it's not of that much interest to me.

937
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. Oh well, I guess I found out

938
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: when my parents moved from their old house that my

939
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 2: dad has like a blank ton of empty beer cans.

940
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 2: Really that you told me about that? Yeah, billy beer?

941
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 2: Does he have a Billy beer can? I think so,

942
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 2: And when shocked me that was a are they pull

943
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: tab beer cans?

944
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got out all of them. That was a

945
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 1: big thing back in the day, was collecting beer cans.

946
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: My sister was big into that in the seven.

947
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 2: You know those big plastic storage tots. Yeah, yeah, he's

948
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 2: got like three of them full of them. Maybe wonder

949
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: what my dad was doing in his college days.

950
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: There was a time where we used to be We

951
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: used to be a real country where beer cans were art.

952
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: So we're ticket stubs and ticket stubs I still have.

953
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: I have all of my ticket stubs, all of them

954
00:48:54,719 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 1: until the digital ticketing era. I have the final five.

955
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:07,439
Speaker 1: I have five untorn unused tickets of the last five

956
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: Pacer games at Market Square Arena. I have ticket stubs

957
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: from every concert. I attended all of it the best.

958
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 1: And when I was a kid, I collected baseball cards.

959
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: And when I collected baseball cards, like every kid, I

960
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: was convinced this was my retirement plan. This when I'm

961
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: when I'm an old man, my baseball cards are going

962
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: to be I don't even know how much they're going

963
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: to be worth. I went to the shows, I did

964
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: the trades, I traded once a I wanted every card

965
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: of Joe Morgan.

966
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 2: That's funny you mentioned that, because that was to kind

967
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 2: of to tie it to Jim Mercy. That's how we

968
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 2: got into, you know, collecting stuff. You started collecting baseball

969
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 2: cards as again, is that how it started?

970
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and so and then with baseball cards, obviously,

971
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: every the reason baseball cards were valuable in the sixties

972
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: or seventies is because the big player cards, the Mickey Mantles,

973
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 1: you know, the Mickey Mantle, Rookie, et cetera. Those became

974
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: valuable because players kids when they got them in the

975
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: fifties and sixties, would put them in the spokes of

976
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: their bike to make the motorcycle types sound kind of

977
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: like what the toilet in this building does next to

978
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: us when all of a sudden, I'll ask you in

979
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: the middle, We'll be doing the show and I'm like,

980
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 1: what is going on? And it sounds like we're being launched,

981
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: and people might hear that on the radio. It's actually

982
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: just the there's a washer that needs to be replaced

983
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: in the toilet next door to us here, Okay, but

984
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: it would make a sound similar to that. And so

985
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 1: the cards that were being produced in that era were

986
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: no longer. It was rare to find one in mint condition.

987
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: Thus the value escalated, and then everybody started holding onto them,

988
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: so they became commonplace and the value went down. The

989
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: point long winded being I remember once saying to my

990
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 1: dad it was a Ricky Henderson rookie. Dad, this card's

991
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: worth two hundred dollars. Man that said really, I said, yeah,

992
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: it's worth two hundred dollars Ricky Henderson rookie card. And

993
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: my dad said, so have you found anybody to buy

994
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: it yet? That's what do you mean? Have you found

995
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: anybody to buy it? I said no, No. The Becketts says

996
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: it's worth two hundred dollars, and my dad said, it's

997
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: only worth what someone's willing to pay for it. And

998
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: one of the things about the Urse collection that I

999
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: will be intrigued to find, and I'm sure this is

1000
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: the case, but many of the guitars that he purchased

1001
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: for multimillions worth of dollars, and the collection itself is

1002
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: estimated to be worth somewhere between a billion and a

1003
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: billion and a half dollars. But that's assuming that there

1004
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: is someone out there, individually speaking, willing to pay for

1005
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: each guitar at auction. Is is Jim or say, one

1006
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: of the few people that was willing to pony up

1007
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: and pay that, or are there others out there? I

1008
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: don't know that. But one of the things that will

1009
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: be of note to watch now last night in college

1010
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 1: basketball Purdue. We will begin there at Macarina, coming off

1011
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: of their exhibition against Kentucky. And it is difficult oftentimes

1012
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: to tell in exhibitions about a team for a couple

1013
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: of reasons, the first being you have no idea how

1014
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: invested the coach is in terms of lineup's strategy, et cetera.

1015
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: Brian Knubert, when he came on with us for Golden Black,

1016
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: was saying, when Purdue designed it to play an exhibition

1017
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: against Kentucky, that the opponent is almost irrelevant to Matt

1018
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: Painter and his group. Yes they want to be tested athletically,

1019
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: Yes they want guys that, but in terms of breaking

1020
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: down film and figuring out what Kentucky's going to run

1021
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: and et cetera, that's not the point of the exercise.

1022
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: And in addition to that, I don't know that Purdue

1023
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: is going out in these exhibitions and saying we're going

1024
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: to run this set, that set, going to put this

1025
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: person at this position, and that's exactly what they're gonna play.

1026
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: Over the course of the Big ten year, you are

1027
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: really intermixing things and putting people in and oftentimes you

1028
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: are trying different combinations to see what will work. Hey,

1029
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: how well does Oscar Cluff play on the floor when

1030
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: Jack Bencher's out there, or you know, how much does

1031
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: it impact the way Daniel Jacobson plays if the injury

1032
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: passes coming from someone other than you know, the obvious

1033
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: in Braden Smith, things like that. I think you look

1034
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: at some of that, but you can get an idea.

1035
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: Players that feel comfortable, regardless of situation, can shoot the

1036
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: ball well, score the ball well they got you know,

1037
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: they got good minutes. Last night, for example, I thought

1038
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: Purdue did from Daniel Jacobson, which we were kind of

1039
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,919
Speaker 1: waiting to see what Daniel Jacobson against Kentucky. You didn't

1040
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 1: see it as much. And obviously a year ago he

1041
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: got hurt very early on. And it's an unfair comparison

1042
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: to say, but this is what we do in sports.

1043
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: You look at a player and you immediately compare it

1044
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:13,399
Speaker 1: to the precedent before of who he's replacing and how

1045
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: he compares to that. And Jacobson. Because of the fact

1046
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: that he is a seven foot or plus and he's

1047
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: coming right off of Zach Edy, you automatically assume here

1048
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: goes Purdue again, big immovable object in the middle, and

1049
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: that's what they're going to focus everything around, and that's

1050
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: going to be literally the key piece that everything's centering

1051
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: off of. Well, that's totally unfair. And Jacobson, in the

1052
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 1: extremely limited amount of time that you saw in a

1053
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: year ago, it was of intrigue. But one thing we

1054
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: know is he does not have the overall body strength

1055
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: that zach I few do at that size of Zach Edy.

1056
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: But you have to go back and think about.

1057
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:05,479
Speaker 2: You think he gets called the big maple, which one

1058
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 2: zach Edie he kind of should, right, James Paxton, I know,

1059
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 2: used to be called the big maple in Major Lee.

1060
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: Jacobson is from what Minnesota? Is that right? I think?

1061
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 2: So?

1062
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: I believe that's his home state because its also kind

1063
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 1: of applicable there. But yes, maple, you think more. For example,

1064
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: my blue Jays hat that I'm wearing right now with

1065
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 1: the maple leaf on it, I mean, I'm all in

1066
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: nine weeks in right, here we go, won nine innings

1067
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 1: away nine weeks in nine innings to go. Now he's

1068
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: from Chicago, is he really? Obviously he was from Minnesota.

1069
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: For some reason.

1070
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 2: He helped Switzerland and the Gold Cup at or the

1071
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 2: fiva U nineteen World Cup over the summer win gold.

1072
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: They did win. Yeah, usually they're stuck in neutral. Yeah,

1073
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: I know, right, but either way, when Edie was a

1074
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 1: younger player, and it's very easy to forget this because

1075
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: of the fact that you focus on the national player

1076
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: of the year and the dominance of Zach Edy. He

1077
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: was an unstoppable player in college by the end, but

1078
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: you forget it in the beginning when he would get

1079
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: the ball in the low post, when even if he

1080
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: if he flashed up and occasionally would get it into

1081
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: high post, but you could see the gears turning. You

1082
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: could see that he was having to think through. Very

1083
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 1: few things were instinctive for Zach Edy early and for

1084
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: Daniel Jacobson. It is unfair that we automatically assume that

1085
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: what you're getting is end of career Zach Edy as

1086
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: opposed to early Zach Edy.

1087
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 2: Is he a better version of Matt Harms? Yes, I

1088
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 2: think that's more. I think he's a more offensive player

1089
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 2: than Matt Harms. Matt Harves was a very good shot

1090
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,720
Speaker 2: blocker and defender. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He reminds

1091
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 2: me more of like the Matt Harms and the skill

1092
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 2: set type, you know, defensively, and he has the ability,

1093
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 2: does Jacobson to kind of stretch out the floor to

1094
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 2: give Purdue that you know, that five out look they

1095
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 2: want to have, like with all five guys on the

1096
00:56:58,920 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: floor being able to shoot.

1097
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: They got really good play from Jakari Harris last night,

1098
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 1: and that's what you need. You know what you're getting

1099
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 1: out of Trey Kaufman, w Ren, you know what you're

1100
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: getting for the most part. You know what you're getting

1101
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: out of CJ. Cox. You know what you're getting out

1102
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: of Braden Smith. You know what you're getting out of

1103
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: Fletch Lawyer. You know that going in, it's a matter

1104
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: of how much the complimentary pieces. Who is going to

1105
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: be that Mason Gillis type right that comes in and

1106
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: can get you points right off the bench, Lance Jones,

1107
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: Lance Jones another one. Yes, that's and they have the

1108
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: personnel for it. But when you look at last night

1109
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: in that particular game. And yes, they were not overly

1110
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: tested by you. Nothing to ast your alma mater. Don't

1111
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: disparage the Greyhounds like that. They didn't get doubled up, Jake,

1112
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: I got this should be a real red flag for Purdue.

1113
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: Produce shooting fifty were they I don't know, from three

1114
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: point range? They were shooting the ball from the outside,

1115
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: it was it was clicking for him a little bit.

1116
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 2: But again on the Hounds and win the D two championship.

1117
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 2: Theydn't got doubled up by Purdue.

1118
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: Are they hanging a banner for that? Is that what

1119
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: you're telling me?

1120
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 2: I don't know, no, because we're you know, Jake U,

1121
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 2: Indy does not hang banners in participation in trophies.

1122
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: Fair enough now speaking of shooting fifty percent from the

1123
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: three point range, so too to Butler and Butler with

1124
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: Indiana State twenty five point win Indiana State obviously, you

1125
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: know you heard JANEV talking about it yesterday. You've got

1126
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: a situation where and the you know, the Graves and Butler,

1127
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: and you know there's a lot of intertwining there, right,

1128
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: but and you certainly again the best to Matthew Graves,

1129
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: but as he as his team now goes into Hinkle

1130
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: last night, Butler and Thad mada Is they are doing

1131
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: kind of the same thing, right. They are having to

1132
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: find their way through with with new faces, new new lineups,

1133
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: et cetera. And they were pretty balanced last night. They

1134
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: shot the ball very well from outside the Butler I

1135
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: didn't see a lot of the game, admittedly, but they

1136
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: shot the ball very well. But they balanced their scoring throughout,

1137
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: and that is probably a little bit more of a

1138
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: realistic test. But the one thing for Butler last night

1139
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: is that style that they're playing. And I think they're

1140
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: gonna have to shoot the ball better from the outside

1141
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: in the Big East. But you've got to be physical

1142
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: in the Big East, and you've got to be able

1143
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: to play and run at size, and as a result

1144
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: of that, you've got to go beyond just five. You've

1145
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: got to be pretty deep because you are playing at

1146
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: a different pace within the Big East. And I think

1147
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: you saw that Mon has made a concerted effort with

1148
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: this roster to do that. I thought you saw it

1149
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: a little bit on display last night. Can we just start.

1150
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 2: Saying eleven new faces, super Butler, physical, Jake. They need

1151
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 2: to be Olivia Newton John.

1152
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: Yes, again today we got usurped on our plan, right,

1153
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: I mean our idea today. We had a big meeting

1154
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: about this yesterday and they did some research on this,

1155
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: and they said, people loved that yesterday you played all

1156
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: the songs from two thousand and eight, the last time

1157
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: the Colts won in Pittsburgh, when Eddie was ten, and

1158
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: people are really looking forward to hearing songs from nineteen

1159
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,959
Speaker 1: eighty two when Jake was ten, led by Olivia Newton

1160
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: John's physical and yet that has now been usurped by

1161
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: the fact that we're playing nothing today but stuff from

1162
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: the Jimmersay collection, right, Yeah, do you have other requests

1163
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: from the Jimmersay collection collection songs?

1164
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 2: I have to look into it to see what all

1165
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 2: he's got in there, because I know he's got more

1166
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 2: than just guitars.

1167
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: Here's what you have to look forward to. And I'm

1168
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 1: not saying this happened with the URSA.

1169
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 2: Girls got the Muhammad Ali belt, You've got you a

1170
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 2: ticket stuff.

1171
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: I remember somebody, I'm not going to say any names,

1172
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: somebody who worked for the Colts telling me they're like, yeah,

1173
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: it was during the combine a couple of years ago.

1174
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: Somebody saying, I was up really late last night because

1175
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: I had kind of like when Elaine on Seinfeld got

1176
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: to go and buy for j Peterman, she had to

1177
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: go buy the JFK golf clubs and she had the

1178
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: paddle and had to go to the auction. It was

1179
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: the Ali belt that somebody that works for the colts

1180
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: was told like, go online to this auction. It's happening overseas,

1181
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: so it's in the middle of the night, but you

1182
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: need to go online and here's the amount that you

1183
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: can spend and buy this. And they were like, so

1184
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: I had to sit there and wait all night and

1185
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: continue to do this and I'm dragging today at the

1186
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: combine because and that was what was purchased, was the

1187
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: Ali Belt.

1188
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 2: But imagine just being the person it's like, okay, yeah,

1189
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put you know, three billion, not three billion.

1190
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: But I think it went for three and a half million.

1191
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 2: You know what it was, right, two millionaire, two millionaire,

1192
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 2: two millionari two seventy nine.

1193
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: Can you imagine being the auctioneer for it? I mean,

1194
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: how many people are in the room. I mean, obviously

1195
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: it's online, but how many people are in the room, Like, Okay,

1196
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: now we got these status faers Fender Fender guitar play

1197
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: by the who play? But who who do we have?

1198
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 1: Two fifty two fifty two? I say, how many? Doesn't

1199
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: it start to drop off pretty quick? There are two

1200
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: people in the room that actually are that have the

1201
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 1: money to do that.

1202
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 2: Imagine if there was like some virtual like auctioneer type

1203
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 2: in Internet issues.

1204
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: And it's just lacking the well, wouldn't all of us

1205
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: have had this happen when it comes to going online

1206
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: to buy tickets or being in que for something and

1207
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, yes, your connection freezes or

1208
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: the site itself crashes, and then when it comes back on,

1209
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my gosh, I missed out. Can you

1210
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 1: imagine like a boss man wanted me to go and

1211
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: buy Prince's guitar and I missed out instead? But then

1212
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 1: you know who are you competing against? But this is

1213
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: what you have to look forward to, Eddie as you progress. Okay,

1214
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: And so many people are going to relate to what

1215
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying. One of the things. And I am very fortunate,

1216
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 1: and I know that I'm blessed, and it is of

1217
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: the utmost fortune that both of my parents are still

1218
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: with us. I'm extreme and very fortunate for that because

1219
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: they're in I want them to feel like I'm saying

1220
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: they're aging, but you know they're in their eighties right,

1221
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: and they're of good sound mind, et cetera. But once

1222
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: that happens, then what you have to look forward to

1223
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: is every time you go to their house, they're trying

1224
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 1: to pawn stuff off on you. You go over there

1225
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: and it's like, Oh, I'm glad you stopped by. I

1226
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 1: was just cleaning out this drawer and I meant to

1227
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: show you and if you want these, I have the

1228
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: spoons that you collected when you went to Niagara Falls

1229
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty two, Like oh, okay, yeah, did you

1230
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: want those? And I mean, I'm a sentimental guy, okay,

1231
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 1: so a lot of times I'm like, yeah, sure, And

1232
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: then I'm like, wait a minute. But now I'm at

1233
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 1: the age where I'm trying to downsize, and yet you're

1234
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 1: you're wanting me to take this stuff on, okay, And

1235
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 1: then it becomes this balancing act.

1236
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 2: When do we get the Purge of twenty twenty five,

1237
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 2: the Great Purge of twenty twenty coming up.

1238
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: I had the Great Purge of twenty twenty where I

1239
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 1: got rid of about six or sixty percent of my possessions.

1240
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: Now it's just colonial watches. Correct. What I'm down to

1241
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: now is this, though I have more than my fair

1242
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: share of T shirts, I have an unhealthy number of

1243
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 1: T shirts that I've got to purge. I got to

1244
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 1: get rid of that for some reason. Luggage wise, I

1245
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: have like six suitcases. Now I don't know what's going

1246
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: on there, but how.

1247
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 2: Many of them on your friends and luggage bangs.

1248
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: I'm telling you two of the luggage bags that I

1249
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 1: have have been turned into cat hammocks, but nonetheless I

1250
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: have them. But with the Jim Ersay collection, I'm gonna

1251
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:48,439
Speaker 1: get back into this I mentioned earlier. You know, Jim

1252
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: Rsay was a very eccentric individual, but he also was

1253
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 1: a passionate individual, and he had passions beyond football, And

1254
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: I always admired that he had a passion for the eccentric,

1255
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: but it wasn't a selfish passion. He wanted to make

1256
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 1: sure that he shared that of things that he found

1257
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: of importance with the rest of the world. And as

1258
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, it's almost like we're all walking along

1259
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 1: the same hiking trail and Jim Mersey would wander off

1260
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: trail because there was a bush there with flowers that

1261
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 1: were so beautiful that he wanted to make sure that

1262
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 1: everybody else was able to see them. But only he

1263
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 1: had the means to get off trail, so he brought

1264
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 1: the bush back to the trail where everybody else could

1265
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 1: admire it. And that's what he did with this collection.

1266
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 1: And it's not just guitars. I think that I myself

1267
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 1: at one point thought it was just guitars. It is

1268
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 1: far more than that. It is historical archives. It is

1269
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 1: pop culturally relevant pieces of literature and poetry and all

1270
01:05:54,440 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 1: you know American history. Literally, I mean from Abraham Lincoln,

1271
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: things that were signed, from John Hancock, significant things that

1272
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 1: he found it important to be able to share with

1273
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 1: other people. And he was apparently, by his own admission,

1274
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 1: offered over a billion dollars for it at one point,

1275
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: and said that he declined that because he found it

1276
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: to be the collection not only priceless, but also he

1277
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: did not see it as an investment. That is not

1278
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 1: the reason that he was accumulating things. I think he

1279
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 1: was accumulating and collecting the things for that fact. He

1280
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 1: wanted people to be able to share with what it

1281
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 1: was that he was able to afford. And I mean

1282
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 1: that both emotionally and financially. However, it was to an

1283
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: extent the irony of that subject. It was in fact

1284
01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 1: an investment for him. Because now, and I don't know

1285
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: that this is the overwhelming cause or motivation, but I

1286
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 1: would assume the reality is that upon his passing, and

1287
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 1: yes I get that people well, far more educated about this,

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01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 1: far more dialed in, far more financially sound than myself,

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01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 1: would have already begun the process of what I'm about

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01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 1: to say. But the reality is that in the United States,

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01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 1: when you have a billion and I'm using a bee

1292
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: there dollar empire and you pass, there is an inheritance

1293
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 1: tax that is responsible to Uncle Sam, where you have

1294
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 1: to come up with the money to pay forty percent

1295
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: the valuation of what that team is worth according to

1296
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 1: what the federal government estimates. And that means that even

1297
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 1: though there might have been all kinds of things done

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01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 1: to prepare for it, and yes they may have, I

1299
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:02,439
Speaker 1: don't know how many people would the money to pay

1300
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 1: an inheritance tax based on the passing of Jim Mercey.

1301
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 1: But this one would assume even though I and I

1302
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 1: again applaud the girls for saying a portion of this

1303
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: revenue that will be generated by the sale of the

1304
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: collection at auction will go towards charity, but I would

1305
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 1: also assume that a portion of that goes towards the

1306
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 1: responsibility financially, speaking of taxes owed based on what it

1307
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 1: was that was inherited, which is an NFL franchise that

1308
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 1: has anywhere, depending on who you ask, evaluation of, you know,

1309
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: the high two billion on the low side to four

1310
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 1: billion dollars, which would mean a tax of over one

1311
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 1: billion dollars. That is responsible. And I'm sure there are

1312
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: ways that that's been shaved down, moved around, you know,

1313
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 1: et cetera. I mean, people far smarter than I would

1314
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 1: do that. But I would assume that this also, even

1315
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 1: though it was not designed to be an investment, it

1316
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: was somewhat of yet a gift to the daughters in

1317
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 1: the fact that that could alleviate some of that responsibility.

1318
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 1: Do you happen to have Are you going with biscoff

1319
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 1: cookies or peanuts, Eddie.

1320
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 2: I'm going with biscough cookies as always, Jake.

1321
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 1: Because you can drive to Pittsburgh, but we're gonna fly there.

1322
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:18,719
Speaker 1: It is, in fact, a Thursday road trip we're gonna

1323
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 1: take and find out from the Steelers side of things

1324
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 1: what the Colts might see on Sunday. The nineteen sixty

1325
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:30,640
Speaker 1: four Gibson sc that is used by George Harrison in

1326
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:35,680
Speaker 1: Paperback Writer, one of the guitars that is now and

1327
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: if you would like to own that guitar, all you

1328
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 1: have to do, I believe it's is it Christie's that

1329
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:47,560
Speaker 1: is doing the auctioning. All you have to do is

1330
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: get in line for the auction for the jim Ers

1331
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 1: collection as it is now up for sale, and all

1332
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: of the guitars, the historical archives, all of it. We've

1333
01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: been playing songs throughout the course of the day that

1334
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 1: late to exactly that we're going to go to Pittsburgh

1335
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 1: here in just a second, Tim Binns will join us

1336
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 1: from the Tribune Review and Fox Sports Radio in Pittsburgh

1337
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: to find out what the Steelers have lined up and

1338
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 1: in addition to that, where they stand health wise. Again,

1339
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 1: I thought the Colts injury report in terms of who

1340
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 1: didn't practice yesterday. Matt Gonzalvez with the in certainly condolences

1341
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 1: the passing of his father is out in terms of practice.

1342
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 1: For personal reasons, I would assume that he is a

1343
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: go on Sunday, but we'll find out. But there were

1344
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 1: a couple of others, you know, Kenny Moore sitting out

1345
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 1: again with the Achilles, but he did that last week

1346
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 1: and then ended up playing, joining us now on the

1347
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:43,599
Speaker 1: Java House peel. And for guest line in Pittsburgh ten

1348
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 1: Binns that we discussed. Edie said, we don't have Tim,

1349
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 1: Sorry about that. I thought we did. We'll go out

1350
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 1: there in just a minute. But this is the place

1351
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 1: that the Colts have not won since eight I've only

1352
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 1: mentioned that one hundred times. It's very easy to look

1353
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 1: at something like that and say, boy, this is going

1354
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 1: to be a tough place because well, what happened in

1355
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 1: like twenty fourteen is not really relevant to the current roster, right,

1356
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 1: And I think the Steelers are good Aaron Rodgers obviously,

1357
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 1: anytime you have him on the field, you have to

1358
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 1: be aware of offensively what Pittsburgh can do. But then defensively,

1359
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 1: one would assume that Indianapolis is going to be able

1360
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 1: to put points on the board. They've done so all year.

1361
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 1: Tim joins us now on the Java House peel and

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01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 1: poor guest line and Tim Bens. I will begin with that.

1363
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 1: Defensively speaking, what is going on with Pittsburgh because it

1364
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 1: feels as though they are very susceptible and this is

1365
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 1: a high flying offense that Indianapolis will bring.

1366
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,639
Speaker 7: It is a terrible matchup for the Steelers right now,

1367
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 7: wrong team, wrong time. So of course the Steelers will

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01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 7: probably turn around and win. That's just how the NFL goes.

1369
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 7: But that's right at if you look at how they've played,

1370
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 7: there's no reason to think that. And I say they

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01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 7: meeting both teams. The Colts have been very good. The

1372
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 7: Steelers have been very bad lately, and honestly, when they've

1373
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:00,679
Speaker 7: won games this year, it hasn't been because cause their

1374
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 7: defense has been rock solid, steady. It's because of sacks

1375
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 7: and turnover luck. You know, they got five against the Patriots,

1376
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 7: they got a huge one against the Jets. Laid on

1377
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 7: special teams, you know, to be fair, they forced those turnovers.

1378
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 7: They hit guys hard when they're in the vicinity to

1379
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 7: catch them and tackle them. But that hasn't often been

1380
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:23,919
Speaker 7: the case. So I don't like this matchup for Pittsburgh

1381
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 7: at all. You asked what the problem has been it's

1382
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 7: been many. First of all, when they try to play man,

1383
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 7: they still act like they're in zone. They don't get

1384
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 7: up and pressed because they're scared to death of getting

1385
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 7: beaten deep and getting run by. The pass rush has

1386
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 7: been neutralized by chipping and doubling on what and quarterbacks

1387
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 7: getting rid of the ball quickly. They used to have

1388
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,720
Speaker 7: a real knack for batting the ball at the line

1389
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 7: of scrimmage to sort of counter that that's disappeared. And

1390
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 7: they're occasionally susceptible against the run. And you know, with

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01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 7: the back like Taylor, I don't think it would be occasional.

1392
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 7: It's occasional when you face Chase Brown, but when you

1393
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 7: face a force like Taylor, it's something entirely different. So

1394
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 7: I don't like anything about this matchup on that side

1395
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 7: of the ball for Pittsburgh.

1396
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that great.

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01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 7: Aside from that, it's great.

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01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 1: I mean, and you know, Tim, the reality is this,

1399
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: whoever would have guessed? I think, And I don't know.

1400
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what the anticipation was of

1401
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 1: the Steelers defense going into the season versus where they

1402
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 1: are now. But certainly when it comes to the Colts

1403
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:38,599
Speaker 1: offensively speaking, we knew Jonathan Taylor is a great player,

1404
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 1: and that they had a couple of guys. You know,

1405
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 1: I think we knew that Tyler Warren was going to

1406
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,919
Speaker 1: be a good player. But are you as stunned outside

1407
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 1: of Indianapolis by what the Colts are doing offensively as

1408
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 1: we are here being those that cover the team each week.

1409
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 7: Well, thanks for reminding me. I forgot to say the

1410
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 7: Steelers are crappy get covering tight ends too, So thanks

1411
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 7: for reminding me about Warren.

1412
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm surprised.

1413
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 7: I'm surprised, Like I didn't know who to pick them,

1414
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 7: the South. I didn't pick them. I picked Houston. I'm

1415
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 7: fearful always of seeing the Colts on the schedule based

1416
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 7: in the last two years and what Stichen has done

1417
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 7: to Mike Tomlin and Tara Austin, even going back to

1418
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 7: when he was the OC in Philly. So you know,

1419
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:20,719
Speaker 7: it's not like I have no respect for the Colts,

1420
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 7: particularly what they can do offensively. They haven't had much

1421
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 7: success here in Pittsburgh in recent years. You know, I

1422
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 7: have thought a little bit about that twenty twenty game,

1423
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 7: when the Steelers were in a similar state of affairs

1424
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 7: where they started eleven and zero, and then everybody sort

1425
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 7: of figured out what they were doing with an aging

1426
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 7: Ben Roethlisberger in the COVID year, and they had a

1427
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 7: massive overcorrection. The one game they won late was against Indy,

1428
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 7: where I thought Indy was going to come in here

1429
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:48,799
Speaker 7: and blow their doors off. So, you know, I'm surprised

1430
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 7: at what the Colts are doing that they've been able

1431
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:53,640
Speaker 7: to sustain the success as much as they have in

1432
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 7: a topsy turvy.

1433
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 3: League like this.

1434
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 6: But I will say this, if you're serious.

1435
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 7: About being a team that is a little bit of

1436
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 7: a newcomer to the party, and you think you're gonna

1437
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 7: beat Buffalo or Kansas City in the playoffs, then beat

1438
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 7: Pittsburgh right now when they're down and on the mat.

1439
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 7: Don't let them off the mat, because that's one that

1440
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 7: you have to scratch your head about. It's so much

1441
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:18,799
Speaker 7: as in your favor and you somehow let the Steelers

1442
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 7: win this game. That would be surprising to me. I'm

1443
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 7: really struggling to find the calculus where the Steelers beat

1444
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 7: the Colts and lets the Colts just have a bad

1445
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 7: game play and bad day, or are sloppy with the

1446
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 7: football and turn it over a bunch or have some

1447
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 7: sort of you know, significant injury or to a mid

1448
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 7: game that they can't recover from.

1449
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 1: So let's say that that is the case. Tim Tim

1450
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:41,599
Speaker 1: Binns is our guest in Pittsburgh. Let's say that's the case.

1451
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 1: Where the Colts turn the ball over or they just

1452
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:48,440
Speaker 1: have an offensively stagnant day. It happens. Then from Pittsburgh's standpoint,

1453
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 1: you know, we know about DK metcalf right and Aaron Rodgers.

1454
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:54,639
Speaker 1: Obviously maybe he's not Green Bay Aaron Rodgers, but still

1455
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:59,679
Speaker 1: pretty good, you know, Calvin Austin. It seems like they'll

1456
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 1: they'll go tight end a little bit, you know, what

1457
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 1: has been your assessment of Aaron Rodgers? And aside from

1458
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:10,640
Speaker 1: DK metcalf that we know about Pittsburgh's offensive Belcow would beware.

1459
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 7: Running with Warren, But they've gotten away from that too

1460
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 7: often in games where it's worse. You know, there have

1461
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:19,560
Speaker 7: been times where they've had to get away from the

1462
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:22,679
Speaker 7: run because it just hasn't been there. But they've also

1463
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 7: gotten away from it in moments where I don't think

1464
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 7: they should. And I wonder that there's a little bit

1465
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 7: of a buyer's remorse component where they just don't trust

1466
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:33,599
Speaker 7: Jalen Warren to be the number one, even though they've

1467
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 7: made personnel moves and paid him like he is. I

1468
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:37,759
Speaker 7: don't know why that is, because he hasn't done anything

1469
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 7: this year to me to suggest that he is anything

1470
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:41,640
Speaker 7: less of a back than what he was when they

1471
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 7: made those decisions during the offseason. So I'm a little

1472
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:47,639
Speaker 7: surprised by that. But you're right in what you said

1473
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 7: about DK, and then you start scratching your head about

1474
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 7: the other options. Receiving wise, Roman Wilson finally had a

1475
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 7: day against Green Bay where he thought, oh, okay, this

1476
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 7: is why they made him a third round pick. I

1477
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 7: don't have to squint to see it as much, So

1478
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 7: maybe that momentum continues. Austin. I think in a good

1479
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 7: offense with a good quarterback like Rogers could be a

1480
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 7: good number three. He's overcast as a number two. The

1481
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 7: theory is that their number two wide receiver is the

1482
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:17,679
Speaker 7: collection of the four tight ends. But you know, that's kind.

1483
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 3: Of tricky math.

1484
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:21,839
Speaker 7: When you start moving the catches around, the ball distribution

1485
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 7: around to have that add up to a number two receiver,

1486
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 7: and then what are you getting from your tight end?

1487
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 7: Then you know, so it's and and really I think

1488
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 7: that the first time we saw that manifest was two

1489
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 7: games ago where Pat Fryermuth went off, you know, on

1490
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:39,640
Speaker 7: the tight ends. There were four combined touchdowns between the

1491
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 7: tight ends. Aside from that, it's been one tight end

1492
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:46,599
Speaker 7: per game that's done something. And Rogers, like you said,

1493
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 7: he's been good, he's been good. I don't have complaints

1494
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 7: about Rogers. I have complaints about how they stalled out

1495
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 7: at the top of the red zone in three very

1496
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 7: important drives early in the game against Green Bay. And

1497
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:01,680
Speaker 7: when Tom and has complained about that this week, a

1498
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:03,720
Speaker 7: lot of people have been throwing stones, saying, well, you're

1499
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 7: just covering up your bad defense. That's true, that's what

1500
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 7: he's doing. But he's also not wrong. So they've had

1501
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 7: some issues there in sort of like the high red

1502
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 7: zone area, and it's like, oh, just let Boswell kick

1503
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 7: another fifty yarder because he doesn't miss from there. That's

1504
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 7: going to be a dangerous equation as the weather gets

1505
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 7: worse than a slot behindsfield.

1506
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 1: You know, in looking back at the Colts over the

1507
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 1: last handful of years and the quarterback situation, you know,

1508
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 1: prior to Anthony Richardson and then into Daniel Jones. One

1509
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 1: of the guys that was a pretty good player here

1510
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 1: was Philip Rivers, you know, obviously at the end of

1511
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 1: his career. But it was weird, Tim because it was

1512
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 1: during the COVID years, so we never really got to

1513
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 1: know Philip Rivers, right, I mean, we knew the public

1514
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 1: persona Philip Rivers, but it wasn't like we were around

1515
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:51,799
Speaker 1: and got to know Philip Rivers. I'm curious because obviously

1516
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 1: it is still new to the game. Do you feel

1517
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:58,680
Speaker 1: like you guys have gotten to know Aaron Rodgers at all?

1518
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:02,639
Speaker 7: Well, I haven't really tried. I mean, like I still

1519
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,719
Speaker 7: I feel like Aaron is constantly ready for a fight

1520
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 7: with the media.

1521
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 6: You know, the.

1522
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 7: Coverage of his weight to come to Pittsburgh and the

1523
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 7: way it was perceived here was a lot of rolling

1524
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 7: of eyes and deep sighing, and a lot of that

1525
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:21,440
Speaker 7: from people like myself or the opinion guys in Pittsburgh

1526
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 7: that just weren't really on board with the decisions. So

1527
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 7: it's taken some time for both sides to warm up

1528
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 7: to each other. But largely the coverage of him personally

1529
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:38,719
Speaker 7: and as a quarterback has been favorable here since training

1530
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 7: camp started. Since football started, I haven't seen any wild

1531
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:46,679
Speaker 7: disconnects between Aaron and the media. Try as he might.

1532
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 7: I feel like to have a fight. I feel like

1533
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 7: he wants to swing a few punchs.

1534
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's where I was going with that,

1535
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 1: and the fact that you know, you know, and look, Tim,

1536
01:19:57,840 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 1: and I've got a lot of respect for what you

1537
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 1: said there, because I think there are those outside of

1538
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 1: what we do for a living that think that our

1539
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 1: job is to like try to warm up to and

1540
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 1: have dinner with athletes that we cover, and I, you know,

1541
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case, but it is to

1542
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 1: still give glimpse sometimes as to what drives players, right,

1543
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 1: And I guess my question to redirect it about Rogers

1544
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 1: would be, we know, the public perception of him that

1545
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 1: he's kind of this, you know, odd, prickly, narcissistic, you know,

1546
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 1: everybody seems to be at Bay guy, And so I

1547
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 1: was curious if his behavior in Pittsburgh or his interaction

1548
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 1: has shown to be defiant of that stereotype.

1549
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 5: Largely.

1550
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 7: Yes, I'm waiting for the first two games in a

1551
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 7: row where the offense is a fault and not the defense.

1552
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:54,759
Speaker 7: You know, the the the perception of Rogers has allowed

1553
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 7: him to not have to be cast that way because

1554
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 7: there haven't been a lot of hard pointed questions at

1555
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:06,760
Speaker 7: the play of Aaron Rodgers because the defense has been

1556
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 7: what's under fire, and for the most part, the view

1557
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 7: of what the offense has done has been praising of

1558
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 7: Rogers getting the most out of it because he has

1559
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 7: one really good target to throw to and that's just dk.

1560
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 1: Is this a boulder in the stream game for Pittsburgh

1561
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 1: in terms of the trajectory of their season?

1562
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:33,640
Speaker 7: Hmm, I'm gonna say no, because I think people have

1563
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:36,639
Speaker 7: it chalked up as a loss already and have more

1564
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 7: or less since that Cincinnati Thursday night game. You know,

1565
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 7: I think there could have been a crescendo, a real

1566
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 7: build up to even if the Steelers had lost the

1567
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 7: Packer game, if they had beaten the Bengals, it still

1568
01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 7: would have felt like they were really in control of

1569
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 7: the North. And now it just feels like, can they

1570
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 7: hold on to the lead that they built while the

1571
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 7: rest of the North figures out what's going on with

1572
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 7: all these backup and injured quarterbacks. I think it is

1573
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 7: it could have coalesced as a This is a game

1574
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 7: for playoff positioning in the AFC playoffs, and maybe it

1575
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 7: would have felt different and bigger. Right now, it's just like,

1576
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:17,639
Speaker 7: how do the Steelers cling to the North. And it's

1577
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 7: so much more crystallized on just the division games because

1578
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:23,639
Speaker 7: they got four wins, and if they managed to win

1579
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:25,600
Speaker 7: all their other division games, well there's your nine and

1580
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 7: you're five and one in the division. So you know,

1581
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,679
Speaker 7: I don't think I think so many people now assume

1582
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 7: this is going to be a loss based on how

1583
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 7: the last two games went. That the bigger games of

1584
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,720
Speaker 7: the next two, which are like against the Chargers that's

1585
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 7: fifty to fifty and then the return game against the

1586
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 7: Bengals where they may or may not have Flacco, who knows.

1587
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:45,720
Speaker 7: So I just think it's like, hey, if they can

1588
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 7: upset the Colts, great. You know, Tomlin has had these

1589
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 7: games in the past where everybody's kicking them while he's

1590
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 7: down and the Steelers are getting raked over the coals

1591
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 7: by the local media and they beat a team that's

1592
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 7: better at Akrosher Stadium and the national media goes, sit.

1593
01:22:58,240 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 3: There's Mike Tomlin.

1594
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:01,599
Speaker 7: There's the Mike tom When we know that's why everybody

1595
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 7: says he should be fired as stupid. That's the Mike

1596
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 7: tom when we know and then you're going to go

1597
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 7: through that news cycle again.

1598
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 1: Now, I was gonna ask about Tim Benn's our guest.

1599
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:14,160
Speaker 1: He is with the Tribune Review in Pittsburgh. Tomlin, you know,

1600
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh has, as you know, Tim, the Steelers organization and franchise,

1601
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 1: I think has always taken pride in its stability and

1602
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 1: the fact that it is not a place that is

1603
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 1: firing coaches all over the place and getting a new

1604
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 1: coach every three years and et cetera. Is that is

1605
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 1: leaning on that consistency, is buying into and absorbing that

1606
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 1: brand of reputation of stability. Is that part of why

1607
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin is I'm not saying that he merits being

1608
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 1: replaced or fired, but would his record have led to

1609
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:53,719
Speaker 1: an ouster in other places more so than Pittsburgh.

1610
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:59,599
Speaker 7: Absolutely, because in other places, when the fans get as

1611
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 7: onerous and impatient and angry as the fans have been here,

1612
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 7: the owners listen to their credit or to their blame.

1613
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 7: The Rooneys, both Dan and now are at the second

1614
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 7: do not, and they don't care, and they you know,

1615
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 7: they care about their fans, but they don't care about

1616
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 7: the opinion that you hold about their head coaching higher.

1617
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 7: So they are the most patient franchise in the world,

1618
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 7: I think, to a fault. And I mean, like, let

1619
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 7: me frame some of the stats as it relates to Tomlins'

1620
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:31,719
Speaker 7: track record, and you tell me if these would resonate

1621
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 7: the same way in any other market. With Pittsburgh, it's

1622
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 7: been fourteen years and this will be the fifteenth since

1623
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:40,720
Speaker 7: they last r in a Super Bowl. All right, So

1624
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 7: in those fourteen years, twelve of those years have ended

1625
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 7: without a playoff win.

1626
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 6: It is now this.

1627
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:48,760
Speaker 7: If they don't want a playoff game this year, this

1628
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:51,599
Speaker 7: will be nine in a row without a playoff win.

1629
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 7: And I don't think that people outside of Pittsburgh look

1630
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 7: at that emblem and see that kind of postseason failure

1631
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 7: because that emblem carries six trophies with it whenever you

1632
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 7: look at it, even though the most recentab witch is

1633
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 7: starting to get pretty dusty too, and that's from two

1634
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:12,040
Speaker 7: thousand and eight. Like they are as close now to

1635
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 7: being from their last Super Bowl championship in eight IM

1636
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:19,600
Speaker 7: sorry sorry in ten when they made the trip not

1637
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 7: to win, But they're as close to that year and

1638
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:24,360
Speaker 7: ten as they were when they went from eighty to

1639
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 7: two thousand and five going through Indy. By the way,

1640
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 7: in that game, they as close to that, and they've

1641
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 7: had fewer playoff wins in that stretch as they did

1642
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 7: in the dark years of the eighties. Believe it or not,

1643
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 7: it might actually might be equal, might be exactly the same.

1644
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:39,880
Speaker 7: But depending on which year account is they eighty or not,

1645
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,320
Speaker 7: Arey started the seventy nine year when they won their

1646
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:45,599
Speaker 7: last one. So like there has been a really long

1647
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 7: drought here by Steelers standards that nobody talks about because

1648
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 7: they just look at the Steeler hypocycloid and say, well,

1649
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 7: that's the franchise of the six Super Bowl, so they

1650
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 7: know what they're doing.

1651
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 1: One for the thumb in eighty one. When I was

1652
01:25:57,920 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 1: a kid and I was a Steelers fan, I think

1653
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 1: I even had a T shirts had won for the

1654
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 1: thumb in eighty one. It didn't happen in eighty one,

1655
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:04,599
Speaker 1: but all right, tim last.

1656
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, I had that shirt too, and I was still

1657
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 7: worrying it and when I was in college, because it's

1658
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 7: got all the way to nineteen ninety five before they

1659
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 7: got to another one. That's right then, all the way

1660
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:14,599
Speaker 7: to two thousand and five till they won one.

1661
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:17,719
Speaker 1: Neil O'donnald made Larry Brown like three hundred million dollars

1662
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:19,839
Speaker 1: by throwing a couple of picks in the Super Bowl. Correct.

1663
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 7: Okay, the thirtieth anniversary of that, by the way, coming up.

1664
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 1: So that means the thirtieth anniversary of Cordell Stewart stepping

1665
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:27,680
Speaker 1: out of the back of the end zone and then

1666
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 1: coming back in to beat the Colts, right, I mean,

1667
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:30,839
Speaker 1: you know, nor.

1668
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:33,640
Speaker 7: Don't talk about that here. And when we celebrate the

1669
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 7: twentieth anniversary of two thousand and five on Sunday, nobody's

1670
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 7: gonna be talking about any of the penalties that the

1671
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 7: Seahawks got either.

1672
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:41,680
Speaker 3: So don't worry about or Carper, You're not alone in

1673
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 3: that regard.

1674
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 1: Okay, last one, if your last name is Benz, if

1675
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:48,920
Speaker 1: this Colts offense, and whoever would have guessed this, but

1676
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 1: if this offense is a Mercedes Benz, what car is

1677
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:55,480
Speaker 1: the Steelers defense?

1678
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:56,599
Speaker 5: Well?

1679
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:00,360
Speaker 7: I had a nineteen eighty seven Ford temp that I

1680
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:02,680
Speaker 7: used to drive back and forth to college when I

1681
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 7: was at Syracuse, and it used to make its own

1682
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 7: fog inside the chassis like it was there was a

1683
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:10,880
Speaker 7: hose that was detached and I used to get fog

1684
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 7: inside the chassis. And that's sort of what this defense

1685
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 7: reminds me of right now, because it costs and wheezes

1686
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 7: a lot as games go along. I'll give you here's

1687
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 7: a little gambling nugget for you, all right. You can

1688
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 7: bet on the Colts over six and a half points

1689
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 7: in the fourth quarter. The Steelers are allowing the worst

1690
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 7: fourth quarter percentage or of number of points scored. I

1691
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 7: think it's like twelve points per fourth quarter, like double

1692
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:42,160
Speaker 7: what the Colts are averaging, whether they're The only way

1693
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 7: the Colts don't score touchdowns in the fourth quarter is

1694
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 7: if they're up thirty eight to ten by the fourth.

1695
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 7: Now I don't rule that out, but that feels like

1696
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 7: a sweetheart bet to me right now, because this defense

1697
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 7: just runs out of steam as the game goes along,

1698
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 7: because they allowed.

1699
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 5: Them and plays, and you know they.

1700
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 7: Are on the field for so long that they just

1701
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:04,440
Speaker 7: get tired. And I would love a fourth quarter touchdown

1702
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 7: bet on the Colts in this game.

1703
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 1: Okay, that happens right around the time the defense is

1704
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:12,879
Speaker 1: getting fogged in the chassis, right that's what we know right, yeah.

1705
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:14,720
Speaker 7: And we're all getting fogged over waiting for the game

1706
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:17,120
Speaker 7: band and hearing how Tomlin's going to spin this one

1707
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 7: of the postgame.

1708
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:22,320
Speaker 1: Press, Tim Binn's joining us from Pittsburgh on the Java

1709
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:24,599
Speaker 1: House Peeling Port guest line. Tim, appreciate it, man.

1710
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 3: You got it.

1711
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:26,599
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.

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01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:29,479
Speaker 1: All right, good conversation. Tim Bins in Pittsburgh, by the way,

1713
01:28:29,479 --> 01:28:32,120
Speaker 1: and I should have asked this. His cousin is an

1714
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:34,800
Speaker 1: actress that was in Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Training Day,

1715
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 1: amongst many other things. In case you're wondering, Julia Bens

1716
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:45,439
Speaker 1: Julie Bins as she has also gone by big time

1717
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:49,879
Speaker 1: actress and cousin to Tim. But I went with strictly

1718
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 1: the Steelers conversation. I'm proud of Jake.

1719
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:53,360
Speaker 2: That's you maturing.

1720
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 1: I'm trying right.

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01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 2: You know, you can count on three things when there's

1722
01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:59,679
Speaker 2: a colts player on or any athlete for that matter.

1723
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 2: Number one said about their season, number two, the team

1724
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:03,639
Speaker 2: number three.

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01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:05,880
Speaker 1: Their high school. Oh yeah, that's one of the best,

1726
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 1: right one. Of the matter of fact, let me see

1727
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:14,720
Speaker 1: where Julie went to high school from Pittsburgh. I mean,

1728
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 1: obviously you know their their cousins, right, so I and

1729
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that Tim grew up in Pittsburgh Franklin Regional School.

1730
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 1: Franklin Regional High School notable alumni. Tim, I would assume

1731
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 1: is probably one of them. Looks like she might be

1732
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of reality TV stars. That's what I'd like

1733
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:37,719
Speaker 1: to be known as as a reality star, right, Eddie,

1734
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 1: we can do a reality show behind the scenes kind

1735
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:41,320
Speaker 1: of like on the YouTube channel.

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01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:43,759
Speaker 2: Wait, that's that's his Uh, that's his cousin.

1737
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:47,400
Speaker 1: I didn't know that that's what that was. I love Dexter.

1738
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:50,559
Speaker 1: She's in Dexter. Correct, She's in Dexter. That's correct, Eddie,

1739
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:54,799
Speaker 1: got on the Google. Now you're wishing I'd asked. Now

1740
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 1: you're wishing.

1741
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:55,639
Speaker 3: Huh.

1742
01:29:55,680 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 1: How about that for materity. David Gilmour black Stratt a

1743
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine Fender is used not only in this

1744
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:09,479
Speaker 1: recording but Dark Side of the Moon, which you were here,

1745
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 1: among others. That is one of the guitars in the

1746
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:16,479
Speaker 1: Jim Ersey collection. As we have been discussing those things

1747
01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:19,880
Speaker 1: that will now be up for auction, and yes, several

1748
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:22,760
Speaker 1: people have pointed out to me, I'm not gonna lie

1749
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:26,479
Speaker 1: to me it's tomato tomato, but it is not an

1750
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 1: inheritance tax, but an estate tax that would now be

1751
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:36,760
Speaker 1: responsible for the ursa daughters to pay. And again I

1752
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:39,120
Speaker 1: have no idea the financials of how some of that

1753
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:43,120
Speaker 1: would have been already established, set up, et cetera. But

1754
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:46,599
Speaker 1: one would assume that that is going to be a

1755
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:49,920
Speaker 1: decent price tag. Here's another interesting point somebody made to me,

1756
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 1: which is great because we were talking about the things

1757
01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:59,719
Speaker 1: that you have accumulated, or the fact that, as I mentioned,

1758
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 1: each time you get to a certain age where you

1759
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:04,080
Speaker 1: go to visit your parents and like, oh, by the way,

1760
01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:06,640
Speaker 1: while you're here, I didn't know if you if you

1761
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:10,280
Speaker 1: wanted this, and you know, I get it. Here is

1762
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 1: a book that was sent to me. Nobody wants your

1763
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 1: I'll say stuff the art of Decluttering before you die,

1764
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 1: And this text is fabulous, says all of my kids

1765
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 1: are grown, and I moved. When they came over, they

1766
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 1: took all the stuff that I never dreamed was of

1767
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:30,639
Speaker 1: any importance to them, and they declined all the stuff

1768
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:35,240
Speaker 1: that I'd saved on purpose for them. I think that's

1769
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:40,000
Speaker 1: probably you know, there are certain things in my parents'

1770
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:42,400
Speaker 1: house that are really of importance to me that probably

1771
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:44,759
Speaker 1: they would be stunned by. And then there's other stuff

1772
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:47,840
Speaker 1: they probably are like, can't wait for Jake to have this,

1773
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:50,200
Speaker 1: And I'm well, the party of your closet wall. Oh

1774
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:53,160
Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's I'm telling you.

1775
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:55,680
Speaker 2: With all the signatures, here's the one that I just

1776
01:31:55,720 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 2: thought of, Jacob, my family, what lives longer? You or

1777
01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 2: the Alio cast Nevis have eaten peanut butter cup.

1778
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:06,280
Speaker 1: Boy, that's a good question. Do you still have the

1779
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:08,639
Speaker 1: my mom does? Yes? In the freezer right.

1780
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:11,880
Speaker 2: Yes, no, no, no, no, not the phraezer, the hyperbaric chamber,

1781
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 2: much colder.

1782
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 1: He should have mint conditions for those that are unfamiliar

1783
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:21,240
Speaker 1: with that of which we speak. It was during carb

1784
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:24,599
Speaker 1: day Castor Nevis came up on the stage with us.

1785
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 1: We had a thing of Debrand fine chocolates and he

1786
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:31,479
Speaker 1: dove into the peanut butter cup and he was I mean,

1787
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 1: he was like, whoa, this is great, but he's like

1788
01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:35,600
Speaker 1: it's really rich and he ate half of it. And

1789
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:37,320
Speaker 1: then he left, and your mom was there, and she's

1790
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:38,960
Speaker 1: a big fan of cast Nevas. She met him and

1791
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 1: then I believe she took the cup. Right, you gave

1792
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:43,880
Speaker 1: it to her. Yeah, you presented it to her. Yeah,

1793
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:46,200
Speaker 1: And so she took it home and that will be

1794
01:32:46,240 --> 01:32:50,160
Speaker 1: actually an heirloom for Eddie, which is exciting. We're gonna

1795
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:51,920
Speaker 1: do what we did last week as well, by the way,

1796
01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:54,439
Speaker 1: an interactive Thursday. It was last week or two weeks

1797
01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:55,960
Speaker 1: ago we did an Interactive Thursday.

1798
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:58,000
Speaker 2: Had to be two weeks ago when I wasn't here.

1799
01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:01,599
Speaker 1: I think that's right. Matt Taylor going to join us

1800
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:04,400
Speaker 1: bottom of the hour. We have colts to get into.

1801
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:07,240
Speaker 1: We have college basketball and the Pacers to discuss from

1802
01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 1: last night, and we got guitars to give away. But

1803
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:16,040
Speaker 1: I am kind of curious whether or not you is

1804
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:18,400
Speaker 1: there anything that your parents left for you that you

1805
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:21,640
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, I don't know, or vice versa, or

1806
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:24,800
Speaker 1: anything Colts wise you would like to discuss. We don't

1807
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:26,360
Speaker 1: often open the phone lines, but we'll do so at

1808
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 1: two three, nine, ten seventy. But we will get back

1809
01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 1: into what did take place last night on the basketball

1810
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:38,439
Speaker 1: court as well. This honestly might be my favorite song

1811
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:43,880
Speaker 1: of all time. Maybe that's like totally unoriginal because oh yeah,

1812
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:45,960
Speaker 1: a guy like you know. It's the number one song

1813
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:48,719
Speaker 1: from Billboard magazine. Or rolling Stone or whatever all time.

1814
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:52,479
Speaker 1: But the nineteen sixty four I hope I'm saying this correctly,

1815
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:57,080
Speaker 1: stratocaster guitar you want to talk about, it's a Fender.

1816
01:33:57,160 --> 01:34:03,440
Speaker 1: A Fender guitar in the Jimmersey Collection of cultural significance

1817
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:07,320
Speaker 1: that is really high on the list because if you've

1818
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:09,320
Speaker 1: seen the movie in particular about Bob Dylan, but at

1819
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:13,000
Speaker 1: the Newport Folk Festival, the Newport Folk Festival of nineteen

1820
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:16,320
Speaker 1: sixty five, Bob Dylan, who had always been an acoustic performer,

1821
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:20,840
Speaker 1: it absolutely was to the ire of many of the

1822
01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:23,720
Speaker 1: audience when he plugged in for the first time. And

1823
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 1: the guitar in which he plugged in that nineteen sixty

1824
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:32,400
Speaker 1: four Fender is among those in the jimmer Say collection.

1825
01:34:33,320 --> 01:34:36,920
Speaker 1: And I do this is so par for the course

1826
01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:41,360
Speaker 1: probably in a lot of things in life. Part of

1827
01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:46,800
Speaker 1: me retrospectively now regrets that I did not take advantage

1828
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:50,599
Speaker 1: of seeing the collection on full display in the few

1829
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:53,280
Speaker 1: times that it was in the area. Now that we

1830
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:55,880
Speaker 1: know that it's going up for sale and you know,

1831
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:59,720
Speaker 1: will be, then everything will kind of go into it

1832
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 1: b different areas. One of the things that I just

1833
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:06,639
Speaker 1: I think is the biggest question mark with the news

1834
01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:09,599
Speaker 1: today that the Jim Mersey collection is going on sale

1835
01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:13,160
Speaker 1: and will be up for auction is how many people

1836
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 1: world wide? I mean, I get that. You know, Hey

1837
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:21,240
Speaker 1: Ers allegedly had like an offer from some say Saudi Arabia,

1838
01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:23,640
Speaker 1: some say Dubai, but from the Middle East of like

1839
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:27,200
Speaker 1: one point five billion dollars for his collection at one point.

1840
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:29,680
Speaker 1: And yes, it would be very easy to say, well,

1841
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:32,320
Speaker 1: then there you go, there's your sale right there. Well,

1842
01:35:32,360 --> 01:35:35,559
Speaker 1: if you're doing each item individually, you know how many

1843
01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:38,960
Speaker 1: people not name Jim ersay on planet Earth would be

1844
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:43,280
Speaker 1: willing to pay the money for you know, a John

1845
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 1: Lennon piano or whatever it might be that can have

1846
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:49,639
Speaker 1: that kind of money. You know, that's the I will

1847
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 1: be very curious to see what, in fact it fetches

1848
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:59,679
Speaker 1: from a monetary standpoint. Last night, the Pacers on the Road,

1849
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:07,760
Speaker 1: and again I think that we are impressed by the

1850
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:10,800
Speaker 1: fact against Dallas that they kind of hung around and

1851
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:14,120
Speaker 1: were as resilient as they were, and then also at

1852
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:17,639
Speaker 1: the same time frustrated by the lack of three point shooting.

1853
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:20,000
Speaker 1: And we'll get into that in a second, but first

1854
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 1: let me bring John onto the show. Interactive Thursday at

1855
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:25,720
Speaker 1: two through nine, ten seventy. John, how are you.

1856
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:27,439
Speaker 5: I'm doing great.

1857
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 3: I'm doing great.

1858
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:33,000
Speaker 1: How are you saving up for one of the guitars? John, No,

1859
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:37,200
Speaker 1: I could care less, honestly. Okay, fair enough.

1860
01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:41,400
Speaker 8: Uh, the pacers have been trying out a lot of

1861
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:41,920
Speaker 8: guard help.

1862
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:43,160
Speaker 1: We need guard help, yep.

1863
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:45,800
Speaker 9: And I know this isn't going to be popular, but.

1864
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:47,280
Speaker 6: Or maybe it will be.

1865
01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:49,800
Speaker 7: I don't know, but I don't think it probably would be,

1866
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:51,879
Speaker 7: but I think we should bring Lance Stevens.

1867
01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:55,200
Speaker 1: Now, you're going to go there. Listen, he's at the games, right,

1868
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:59,639
Speaker 1: I mean, he's there a lot. I just feel like John,

1869
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:03,880
Speaker 1: and look, he's an exciting, excitable player, right, And he's

1870
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:06,920
Speaker 1: an exciting player, and he has great court vision, and

1871
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:08,680
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot to love about him. At

1872
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:11,160
Speaker 1: the same time, it's also and I'm not saying he's

1873
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:14,600
Speaker 1: long in the tooth, per se, but it's been a

1874
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:17,400
Speaker 1: while since he's played in the NBA itself, and I

1875
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:19,519
Speaker 1: think that you know, he's played overseas, so I'm not

1876
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:23,880
Speaker 1: saying he's out of shape. He's a totally likable personality.

1877
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:27,439
Speaker 1: He's a beloved fan figure. But I do believe or

1878
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:34,040
Speaker 1: fan favorite. I don't know this concretely, but I just

1879
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:37,439
Speaker 1: get the impression that because they did bring him back once, right,

1880
01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:40,720
Speaker 1: I just feel like the brass of the Pacers look

1881
01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:44,479
Speaker 1: at what he brings to the table and at times

1882
01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:47,000
Speaker 1: as well the auxiliary that he brings with. And I

1883
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:48,800
Speaker 1: don't mean any of it to say he's a bad guy,

1884
01:37:49,400 --> 01:37:51,439
Speaker 1: but I just think that there's kind of always drama

1885
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:53,920
Speaker 1: a little bit around him. Or I think the thing

1886
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:58,800
Speaker 1: with Lance Stevenson where it wouldn't be beneficial and hear

1887
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:01,880
Speaker 1: me out on this, John, but I remember that year

1888
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:03,760
Speaker 1: that they had where they got off to the phenomenal

1889
01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:06,120
Speaker 1: start and then things kind of collapsed and there were

1890
01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:09,040
Speaker 1: all kinds of rumors, oh, Paul George and Roy Hibbert

1891
01:38:09,080 --> 01:38:12,320
Speaker 1: and wives and girlfriends, all kinds of rumors flying around.

1892
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 1: And one of the things that was explained to me was, look,

1893
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:21,479
Speaker 1: a huge part of why that whole thing went south

1894
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:27,240
Speaker 1: was because Lance Stevenson was one that each play that

1895
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:29,760
Speaker 1: the Pacers would do, each half court set that they

1896
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:34,280
Speaker 1: would do, they know, they'd call out a play. George

1897
01:38:34,360 --> 01:38:36,840
Speaker 1: Hill or Paul George or whoever would come down the

1898
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 1: floor and you know, a twelve and they knew that

1899
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:44,760
Speaker 1: a twelve meant the entry pass goes to Roy Hibbert. Well,

1900
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:48,040
Speaker 1: if that's sealed off, then everyone knew that the alternate

1901
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:52,519
Speaker 1: play to a twelve was in fact be nine, which

1902
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:56,599
Speaker 1: goes to David West. So you come down and Hibbert's doubled,

1903
01:38:56,600 --> 01:38:59,400
Speaker 1: and so it goes to David West, and everyone knows, Okay,

1904
01:38:59,439 --> 01:39:01,400
Speaker 1: David West got the ball. That means now we're running

1905
01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:03,760
Speaker 1: a different set. And Stevenson was the guy that went

1906
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:06,040
Speaker 1: rogue on that more often than not. And whether that

1907
01:39:06,200 --> 01:39:09,479
Speaker 1: was because he didn't want to run the alternate plays,

1908
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:11,680
Speaker 1: didn't know the alternate plays, I don't know. But I

1909
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:13,799
Speaker 1: think when you look at Rick Carlyle and the offensive

1910
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:17,439
Speaker 1: sets they run now and the intricacies of them, they're

1911
01:39:17,479 --> 01:39:20,400
Speaker 1: probably the reason why they've just decided to shy away

1912
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:22,040
Speaker 1: from that. And that is in no way, shape or

1913
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:25,559
Speaker 1: form saying anything about it from an intellectual standpoint as

1914
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:28,800
Speaker 1: much as just a free flow basketball standpoint, which is

1915
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:30,439
Speaker 1: the way that I think he prefers to play. He's

1916
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:32,200
Speaker 1: thirty five. Now, I was going to say his age

1917
01:39:32,280 --> 01:39:35,040
Speaker 1: also is I mean, I was trying to figure out

1918
01:39:35,080 --> 01:39:35,840
Speaker 1: how old he would be.

1919
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:37,280
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, he's thirty five.

1920
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:42,240
Speaker 1: Now, amazing how quickly the years add up. Colt's trade

1921
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:45,880
Speaker 1: deadline is coming up a week from yesterday, Richard, I

1922
01:39:45,880 --> 01:39:47,120
Speaker 1: believe has thoughts Hi.

1923
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:48,320
Speaker 2: Richard, that'd be two days ago.

1924
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, today's Thursday. Yeah, go ahead.

1925
01:39:53,240 --> 01:39:55,960
Speaker 9: I think the big story everybody's missing out on is

1926
01:39:56,439 --> 01:39:59,160
Speaker 9: of course Ballad was on the hot seat, but now

1927
01:39:59,200 --> 01:40:01,640
Speaker 9: all of a sudden, the Colts are winning. He's not

1928
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:05,200
Speaker 9: on the hot seat. But I have a feeling he's

1929
01:40:05,200 --> 01:40:08,200
Speaker 9: not going to make any more trades before the deadline,

1930
01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:13,000
Speaker 9: trying to get his injured players back on a healthy roster.

1931
01:40:14,120 --> 01:40:17,840
Speaker 9: And if he doesn't make a trade and we end up,

1932
01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:22,280
Speaker 9: for instance, the Chargers for Jado score three touchdowns in

1933
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:26,280
Speaker 9: the second half against US. We couldn't stop him. So

1934
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:29,960
Speaker 9: if we don't get somebody in there for help us,

1935
01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:33,400
Speaker 9: it's going to come back and by him.

1936
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:38,240
Speaker 1: Interesting point, Richard, And you know, if you hear me talk, Richard,

1937
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:41,800
Speaker 1: I always mentioned precedent, right, Like in sports you can

1938
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:43,840
Speaker 1: always go One of the beautiful things about sports is

1939
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:48,800
Speaker 1: there's always precedent, right. And Richard, you mentioned there the

1940
01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:53,559
Speaker 1: fact of the quick change from Ballard going from being

1941
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:55,479
Speaker 1: because it is funny is that now, Richard, like he went,

1942
01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:59,439
Speaker 1: you are correct. Five months ago everyone's like, just let

1943
01:40:59,479 --> 01:41:01,719
Speaker 1: Ballard write out the year and then let's make a change.

1944
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:04,280
Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden, Richard, he's like, he's

1945
01:41:04,280 --> 01:41:09,960
Speaker 1: the leading candidate for Executive of the year right now, correct?

1946
01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:11,880
Speaker 1: And you know who the last genius was to win

1947
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:14,679
Speaker 1: Executive of the Year. As a member of the Indianapolis Colts.

1948
01:41:14,439 --> 01:41:17,080
Speaker 3: Front office, I had no idea.

1949
01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:21,120
Speaker 1: Ryan Grigson and Ryan Grigson, And actually Rodepple of Chicago's

1950
01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:24,800
Speaker 1: Pizza pointed this out to me yesterday. Okay, Ron pointed

1951
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:26,920
Speaker 1: this out to me, and it's a great point. Ryan

1952
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:29,240
Speaker 1: Grigson won Executive of the Year because he had Andrew

1953
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:34,960
Speaker 1: Luck as his quarterback and Chris Ballard plods along trying

1954
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:38,920
Speaker 1: to basically save his job year in and year out,

1955
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:43,160
Speaker 1: and certainly the relationship he had with Jim Irsay, I'm

1956
01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:47,040
Speaker 1: sure was beneficial towards job stability and security and whatever else.

1957
01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:51,439
Speaker 1: And he was very highly thought of when he was

1958
01:41:52,360 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 1: hired in Indianapolis, Chris Ballard as an executive, and I

1959
01:41:57,400 --> 01:41:59,720
Speaker 1: think he was thought of as well as a guy

1960
01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:04,679
Speaker 1: that is building a roster and building a franchise based

1961
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:10,439
Speaker 1: on his own internal pieces and his own year by

1962
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:14,960
Speaker 1: year design, and was given the long rope to be

1963
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:18,639
Speaker 1: able to do that. And yet we were all saying

1964
01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:23,639
Speaker 1: to ourselves, but for what? And then lo and behold

1965
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:29,120
Speaker 1: what happens. And again we will never probably know, will

1966
01:42:29,200 --> 01:42:35,120
Speaker 1: never know whether or not Chris Ballard truly at his

1967
01:42:35,320 --> 01:42:39,639
Speaker 1: core did Chris Ballard sign Daniel Jones because he looked

1968
01:42:39,640 --> 01:42:44,840
Speaker 1: at Daniel Jones and said, this guy was misused in

1969
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:48,519
Speaker 1: New York and underused in Minnesota, and nobody else is

1970
01:42:48,520 --> 01:42:52,840
Speaker 1: seeing what I see in the circumstances and the situations

1971
01:42:52,920 --> 01:42:55,720
Speaker 1: that allow him to thrive as a quarterback. We have

1972
01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:58,320
Speaker 1: that in Indianapolis, and we have a coach in Shane

1973
01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:01,599
Speaker 1: stike In in Indianapolis can bring it out in him. And

1974
01:43:01,640 --> 01:43:04,800
Speaker 1: therefore I'm going to sign him because and I'm going

1975
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:08,120
Speaker 1: to pretend like there's this competition between he and Anthony Richardson,

1976
01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:12,320
Speaker 1: but I know Daniel Jones. I see it in him.

1977
01:43:12,680 --> 01:43:15,160
Speaker 1: I can awaken that greatness. We'll never know whether that

1978
01:43:15,320 --> 01:43:18,840
Speaker 1: was the thought or whether the thought was I've got

1979
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:20,960
Speaker 1: a guy in Anthony Richardson that has all the tools,

1980
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:23,240
Speaker 1: and I've got to motivate him somehow, and I've got

1981
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:25,880
Speaker 1: to get a veteran in here to present like there's

1982
01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:29,920
Speaker 1: a challenge in order to get Richardson awakened, and gosh,

1983
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:32,479
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is available, I'll do that. I tend to

1984
01:43:32,479 --> 01:43:34,559
Speaker 1: think it might be the former because of the amount

1985
01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:36,400
Speaker 1: they gave him, even though it was a one year deal.

1986
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:40,559
Speaker 1: But either way, Chris Ballard now is in the running

1987
01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:44,680
Speaker 1: for Executive of the Year and is essentially genius because,

1988
01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:48,520
Speaker 1: like Ryan Grigson in year one, he has a quarterback,

1989
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:52,320
Speaker 1: and a quarterback makes that big of the difference now

1990
01:43:52,640 --> 01:43:56,680
Speaker 1: in terms of a defensive player and a trade that

1991
01:43:56,760 --> 01:43:59,960
Speaker 1: is going to put them over the top. And yeah,

1992
01:44:00,280 --> 01:44:05,080
Speaker 1: there are you know, clearly a phone called a Cincinnati

1993
01:44:05,160 --> 01:44:07,360
Speaker 1: is one that most people would expect would be made.

1994
01:44:07,479 --> 01:44:10,559
Speaker 1: And I do think that Ballard probably is trying to

1995
01:44:10,680 --> 01:44:14,439
Speaker 1: work the phone lines to get himself either a pass

1996
01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:19,360
Speaker 1: rush help or defensive back help, and the coveted draft

1997
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:22,880
Speaker 1: capital that he talks so much about would be theoretically

1998
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:26,080
Speaker 1: the piece that he would dangle for that in this town.

1999
01:44:26,680 --> 01:44:30,400
Speaker 1: If you want to say, yeah, I was listening to

2000
01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:32,240
Speaker 1: sports talk show and this guy called in and said,

2001
01:44:32,240 --> 01:44:34,479
Speaker 1: they've got to make a trade. For defensive help or

2002
01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:35,880
Speaker 1: else it's going to hurt him in the long run.

2003
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:39,519
Speaker 1: You can scoff at that, and you can raise an

2004
01:44:39,560 --> 01:44:44,679
Speaker 1: eyebrow at Richard's point, but go back to precedent. Rich

2005
01:44:45,400 --> 01:44:50,000
Speaker 1: Precedent says that Richard's point is not off base because

2006
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:53,280
Speaker 1: what people often forget the Super Bowl that was won

2007
01:44:53,439 --> 01:44:56,759
Speaker 1: in this town, the Lombardy that was won and brought

2008
01:44:56,800 --> 01:45:00,879
Speaker 1: to this town. Yes, Bob Sanders was a great defender,

2009
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:03,680
Speaker 1: the best in the game at the time when he

2010
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:07,519
Speaker 1: was healthy. And yes, the Colts had a high flying

2011
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:11,240
Speaker 1: offense that allowed for them to then predict what teams

2012
01:45:11,240 --> 01:45:13,439
Speaker 1: were going to have to do against them in terms

2013
01:45:13,560 --> 01:45:17,559
Speaker 1: of the pass. And what Bill Pollion did in building

2014
01:45:17,560 --> 01:45:20,600
Speaker 1: the Colts was he said, teams are gonna have to

2015
01:45:20,680 --> 01:45:25,559
Speaker 1: throw the ball against us because I have an indoor team,

2016
01:45:26,120 --> 01:45:28,720
Speaker 1: and my indoor team I'm gonna play eight of my

2017
01:45:28,840 --> 01:45:33,120
Speaker 1: games indoor on turf. So I want players that are fast.

2018
01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:36,439
Speaker 1: I want speed, speed kills, and my team's going to

2019
01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:41,240
Speaker 1: outspeed people. And offensively, I have a generational quarterback in

2020
01:45:41,240 --> 01:45:44,000
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, so I'm gonna get Reggie Wayne, and I'm

2021
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:46,479
Speaker 1: gonna get Marvin Harrison and I'm gonna get Edrin James,

2022
01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:51,640
Speaker 1: although he inherited Marvin Harrison, and I'm going to on defense,

2023
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:55,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to go out and draft Dwight Freeney. People

2024
01:45:55,160 --> 01:45:57,800
Speaker 1: think he's undersized, but I like his speed and in

2025
01:45:57,840 --> 01:46:00,840
Speaker 1: particular when he's playing half his games on turf. And

2026
01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:02,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to get this guy, Robert Mathis, because I

2027
01:46:02,920 --> 01:46:06,280
Speaker 1: like his direct line speed rush that he showed at

2028
01:46:06,280 --> 01:46:10,760
Speaker 1: Alabama A and M. And they had a defense designed

2029
01:46:10,840 --> 01:46:14,160
Speaker 1: to come crashing in from the corners and get after quarterbacks.

2030
01:46:14,360 --> 01:46:17,200
Speaker 1: But what they didn't do well was shut down the run.

2031
01:46:17,720 --> 01:46:20,200
Speaker 1: And Maurice Jones Drew went for two seventy five and

2032
01:46:20,240 --> 01:46:23,040
Speaker 1: as Bob Kravitz wrote that year, the only thing that

2033
01:46:23,080 --> 01:46:25,120
Speaker 1: stopped him from running more was he had to stop

2034
01:46:25,160 --> 01:46:28,360
Speaker 1: when he got to the end zone. And the Colts

2035
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:31,599
Speaker 1: then and Bill Pulling in that situation, said we are

2036
01:46:31,720 --> 01:46:34,240
Speaker 1: going to end up at the end of the year

2037
01:46:34,600 --> 01:46:37,320
Speaker 1: talking about the fact that the one liability we had

2038
01:46:37,360 --> 01:46:40,519
Speaker 1: defensively was what sank us. And so they went out

2039
01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:43,880
Speaker 1: and they made a trade that didn't make huge headlines

2040
01:46:43,920 --> 01:46:46,600
Speaker 1: but made some, and they got Booger McFarlane and they

2041
01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:48,280
Speaker 1: put him in the middle and they shut down the

2042
01:46:48,360 --> 01:46:51,479
Speaker 1: run and that was the final piece that put them

2043
01:46:51,520 --> 01:46:54,960
Speaker 1: over the top. And so, yes, Richard, you are correct.

2044
01:46:55,200 --> 01:46:58,360
Speaker 1: There is precedent there that says if the Colts feel

2045
01:46:58,479 --> 01:47:01,320
Speaker 1: right now that they are a team that can contend

2046
01:47:01,760 --> 01:47:04,200
Speaker 1: this year, and there's no reason to think they can't.

2047
01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:06,240
Speaker 1: They're seven to one, they have the best record in

2048
01:47:06,280 --> 01:47:08,519
Speaker 1: the NFL, they have a very good offense, They have

2049
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:11,320
Speaker 1: a versatile offense, and they have a defense that has

2050
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:16,000
Speaker 1: been good with lou Anarumo. But they do have susceptibility

2051
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:19,160
Speaker 1: and pass rush is one and when you look at

2052
01:47:19,240 --> 01:47:21,400
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, you look at Patrick Mahomes, what of Tim

2053
01:47:21,400 --> 01:47:23,599
Speaker 1: beIN's just saying we talked to him in Pittsburgh. Look,

2054
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:27,599
Speaker 1: it's great that they're playing well right now, but winning

2055
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:31,360
Speaker 1: in November is totally different than having to win in

2056
01:47:31,439 --> 01:47:36,320
Speaker 1: December or January against those offenses. And likely it's going

2057
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:39,120
Speaker 1: to be here, but there are a couple of challenges

2058
01:47:39,160 --> 01:47:41,040
Speaker 1: between the second half of the season that were not

2059
01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:46,320
Speaker 1: necessarily of that level in the first half of the season. Simon,

2060
01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:48,800
Speaker 1: what's up?

2061
01:47:48,840 --> 01:47:52,400
Speaker 8: Simon, Hey, Jake, thanks for taking my call. Look, can

2062
01:47:52,439 --> 01:47:53,840
Speaker 8: I want to start by saying one of the many

2063
01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:56,360
Speaker 8: things that I like about your show is what I'm

2064
01:47:56,400 --> 01:47:59,519
Speaker 8: getting ready to do. Like, I'm not disagreeing with you,

2065
01:47:59,560 --> 01:48:02,439
Speaker 8: but I'm going to challenge you a bit because at

2066
01:48:02,439 --> 01:48:04,880
Speaker 8: the end, at the end of the day, Ballard in

2067
01:48:04,920 --> 01:48:07,960
Speaker 8: the offseason has taken lots and lots of lots and

2068
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:10,640
Speaker 8: lots of heat. I mean, John joked the time that

2069
01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:13,080
Speaker 8: he was ready to fire the whole group, right. I

2070
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:17,960
Speaker 8: don't know if you caught John's interview yesterday with Boomer Assisin,

2071
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:18,680
Speaker 8: did you catch that?

2072
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:21,680
Speaker 1: I did not, Actually my apologies, I did not. Yeah.

2073
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:21,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2074
01:48:21,960 --> 01:48:24,720
Speaker 8: One of the things that that that Boomer said, he

2075
01:48:24,800 --> 01:48:28,000
Speaker 8: and apparently he has a close relationship Frank right And

2076
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:30,519
Speaker 8: and people in this media market have said, like people

2077
01:48:30,520 --> 01:48:33,680
Speaker 8: that I respect as journalists have said all along, like

2078
01:48:34,479 --> 01:48:37,760
Speaker 8: you know, this roster's good, we're just you know, we're

2079
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:40,560
Speaker 8: missing a quarterback. And essentially that's what Boomer assias And

2080
01:48:40,680 --> 01:48:44,000
Speaker 8: said that Frank Wright had told him was like, listen,

2081
01:48:45,400 --> 01:48:49,439
Speaker 8: Frank Frank said to Boomer, we have a good player.

2082
01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:51,640
Speaker 8: Chris brings me good players. We just can't get this

2083
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:55,799
Speaker 8: quarterback figured out. So while I'm not ready to crown

2084
01:48:56,479 --> 01:48:59,280
Speaker 8: Ballard as the GM of the year, I mean I

2085
01:48:59,320 --> 01:49:03,360
Speaker 8: think consistent. He's done a pretty good job of picking

2086
01:49:03,439 --> 01:49:06,840
Speaker 8: quality players. I mean, again, it's easy to say that

2087
01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:09,200
Speaker 8: when you're what seven and one, right, But at the

2088
01:49:09,280 --> 01:49:11,720
Speaker 8: end of the day, I think people that that know

2089
01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:16,360
Speaker 8: have have have stood up for Ballard and recognized the

2090
01:49:16,439 --> 01:49:19,479
Speaker 8: job that he's done. So, you know, I hope it

2091
01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:20,960
Speaker 8: all works out, but that I just wanted to make

2092
01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:21,360
Speaker 8: it well.

2093
01:49:21,400 --> 01:49:23,439
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with that, Simon. I think it comes

2094
01:49:23,479 --> 01:49:26,200
Speaker 1: down to this, okay, and let me ask you this. Uh,

2095
01:49:26,360 --> 01:49:27,960
Speaker 1: Simon dropped off there. I was gonna ask Simon how

2096
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:32,280
Speaker 1: old he is? The thing the lesson that I always

2097
01:49:32,360 --> 01:49:39,160
Speaker 1: go back to in this town, the everything I just

2098
01:49:39,200 --> 01:49:41,920
Speaker 1: mentioned with Bill polly In for example, and that final

2099
01:49:41,960 --> 01:49:45,479
Speaker 1: piece right, and and having a design. You know, when

2100
01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:48,000
Speaker 1: when you did Dwight Freeney, it was it was questionable,

2101
01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:51,280
Speaker 1: but then you see the reasons why in terms of

2102
01:49:51,320 --> 01:49:54,960
Speaker 1: that was just one piece of the jigsaw puzzle, you know,

2103
01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:58,840
Speaker 1: having Domas Sabonis and Miles Turner on the floor at

2104
01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:03,320
Speaker 1: the same time and deciding we've got to blow this

2105
01:50:03,479 --> 01:50:06,840
Speaker 1: up and get Tyrese Halliburton and hope that he is

2106
01:50:06,960 --> 01:50:09,880
Speaker 1: the center magnet of then looking at the way that

2107
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:16,639
Speaker 1: he plays and making a trade for you know, trading

2108
01:50:16,680 --> 01:50:20,120
Speaker 1: away Malcolm Brogden for Aaron Nesmith who was little used

2109
01:50:20,160 --> 01:50:22,360
Speaker 1: in Boston, and it seemed weird at the time, but

2110
01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:25,520
Speaker 1: then you put that piece with this piece of Halliburton.

2111
01:50:25,960 --> 01:50:29,400
Speaker 1: And we talked about last night how Nie Smith was

2112
01:50:29,479 --> 01:50:32,320
Speaker 1: not shooting the ball well last night, and part of

2113
01:50:32,320 --> 01:50:35,600
Speaker 1: that may well be because he's playing with guards that

2114
01:50:35,640 --> 01:50:39,519
Speaker 1: are unfamiliar with the angles in the positioning. He needs

2115
01:50:39,560 --> 01:50:41,800
Speaker 1: the ball to be able to, you know, in a

2116
01:50:41,840 --> 01:50:44,720
Speaker 1: transition or on a set in terms of where he

2117
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:48,840
Speaker 1: likes it, where he likes to get the ball when

2118
01:50:48,840 --> 01:50:52,120
Speaker 1: he shoots. And Halliburton knows that, and McConnell knows that,

2119
01:50:52,160 --> 01:50:54,320
Speaker 1: and a nim Hard knows that a mac McClung does

2120
01:50:54,360 --> 01:50:56,600
Speaker 1: not yet, a Ray j Dennis does not yet, So

2121
01:50:56,760 --> 01:51:00,559
Speaker 1: all of the pieces have to fit together. With Chris

2122
01:51:00,600 --> 01:51:04,599
Speaker 1: Ballard Simon, I think that you make an excellent point,

2123
01:51:04,680 --> 01:51:07,559
Speaker 1: and it's a fair point. Of the pieces of the

2124
01:51:07,640 --> 01:51:13,559
Speaker 1: jigsaw puzzle, we couldn't totally get an idea of what

2125
01:51:13,640 --> 01:51:17,000
Speaker 1: the puzzle looks like in completion until we get that

2126
01:51:17,320 --> 01:51:23,719
Speaker 1: master piece in the Jenga blocks that puts it all

2127
01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:27,559
Speaker 1: together and that would be the quarterback in any like

2128
01:51:27,640 --> 01:51:32,040
Speaker 1: I said with Ryan Grigson, Brian Grigson, it would you

2129
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:35,120
Speaker 1: know he had that piece immediately and everyone knew that

2130
01:51:35,200 --> 01:51:41,000
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck was that piece, right Chris Ballard, if you

2131
01:51:41,080 --> 01:51:44,599
Speaker 1: want to say, he gets credit because he put together

2132
01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:48,480
Speaker 1: a good roster and had good players, but we couldn't

2133
01:51:48,520 --> 01:51:53,519
Speaker 1: see the way those jigsaw puzzle pieces came together because

2134
01:51:53,640 --> 01:51:57,880
Speaker 1: of the quarterback position. I get that. The reality at

2135
01:51:57,920 --> 01:52:00,720
Speaker 1: the same time, though, is that the quarterback position was

2136
01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:04,800
Speaker 1: the responsibility of Chris Ballard. And yes, you could. You

2137
01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:07,479
Speaker 1: could sit there and go over and over and say, well,

2138
01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:10,840
Speaker 1: the years in which he had to go and shop

2139
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:15,320
Speaker 1: for one. Yeah, ANDERW. Luck retired unexpectedly on Chris Ballard.

2140
01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:20,840
Speaker 1: I get it. But the vast majority of teams right

2141
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:23,160
Speaker 1: now that are winning in the NFL are winning with

2142
01:52:23,240 --> 01:52:25,519
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that were not on their roster at the time

2143
01:52:25,520 --> 01:52:29,280
Speaker 1: that ANDERW. Luck retired from the Colts. So they took

2144
01:52:29,320 --> 01:52:32,960
Speaker 1: care of that issue. And in yes, there may not

2145
01:52:33,120 --> 01:52:37,000
Speaker 1: have been a number of quarterback like justin fields, there

2146
01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:40,000
Speaker 1: is rumor that Ballard was very high on justin fields.

2147
01:52:40,040 --> 01:52:44,519
Speaker 1: Obviously that one would think, now we have enough body

2148
01:52:44,520 --> 01:52:46,960
Speaker 1: of work to say that would have been somewhere where

2149
01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:51,960
Speaker 1: they would have aired, not going after matt Stafford, which

2150
01:52:52,080 --> 01:52:55,800
Speaker 1: was rumored at one point that Chris Ballard had said

2151
01:52:55,840 --> 01:52:58,519
Speaker 1: internally like, look, I don't think Matthew Stafford you can

2152
01:52:58,600 --> 01:53:02,519
Speaker 1: win with him in air. That would be an error

2153
01:53:02,520 --> 01:53:07,320
Speaker 1: in judgment. And then when you had when finally push

2154
01:53:07,400 --> 01:53:08,640
Speaker 1: came to shove and it was like, this is the

2155
01:53:08,720 --> 01:53:12,080
Speaker 1: year you've got to draft a quarterback. And I get

2156
01:53:12,120 --> 01:53:14,880
Speaker 1: the fact they were taking You know that they were

2157
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:20,080
Speaker 1: going to be the third quarterback in that class drafted

2158
01:53:20,880 --> 01:53:23,360
Speaker 1: because you had Bryce Young there, you had CJ. Stroud there,

2159
01:53:23,360 --> 01:53:25,519
Speaker 1: you had Anthony Richardson, and then you had Will Levis,

2160
01:53:25,600 --> 01:53:28,639
Speaker 1: and Will Levis obviously was on. They chose Richardson over Levis,

2161
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:32,960
Speaker 1: but they also said Chris Ballard said, Richardson's the guy

2162
01:53:33,040 --> 01:53:35,599
Speaker 1: that I would have taken if I had the number

2163
01:53:35,600 --> 01:53:38,080
Speaker 1: one pick. Now, partially he's probably saying that sigmon to

2164
01:53:38,160 --> 01:53:42,320
Speaker 1: build Richardson up. I get that, but the point being

2165
01:53:43,200 --> 01:53:47,680
Speaker 1: he he tried it with Jacoby Brissett. That was by circumstance,

2166
01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:53,240
Speaker 1: totally understood Philip Rivers good signing. They thought they were

2167
01:53:53,240 --> 01:53:57,760
Speaker 1: going to get more than a year with him. Matt Ryan, well,

2168
01:53:57,800 --> 01:54:02,000
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz aired in terms of the way that he

2169
01:54:02,040 --> 01:54:05,720
Speaker 1: was going to get along within the ownership and the

2170
01:54:06,080 --> 01:54:09,920
Speaker 1: rest of the franchise. Matt Ryan aired on how much

2171
01:54:09,960 --> 01:54:12,519
Speaker 1: gas was left in the tank. And then Anthony Richardson.

2172
01:54:12,640 --> 01:54:16,160
Speaker 1: You could certainly argue Aired in terms of whether or

2173
01:54:16,200 --> 01:54:18,120
Speaker 1: not that was the guy to take. And I get

2174
01:54:18,160 --> 01:54:22,000
Speaker 1: why you did, and the intrigue and the fascination of

2175
01:54:22,080 --> 01:54:27,519
Speaker 1: the physicality of Anthony Richardson. But now to your point, yes,

2176
01:54:27,600 --> 01:54:30,400
Speaker 1: it might have taken like the sixth crack of the bat,

2177
01:54:31,200 --> 01:54:35,640
Speaker 1: but he hit on Daniel Jones where no one else did,

2178
01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:38,320
Speaker 1: and he gets credit for that, and that is the piece.

2179
01:54:38,400 --> 01:54:41,160
Speaker 1: Then now we can see that, yes, in fact, the

2180
01:54:41,200 --> 01:54:43,400
Speaker 1: rest of the roster came to go. I don't know

2181
01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:46,040
Speaker 1: that anybody ever said that like the roster was terrible

2182
01:54:46,120 --> 01:54:48,880
Speaker 1: under him. It was just the fact that the one area,

2183
01:54:49,200 --> 01:54:52,480
Speaker 1: the engine block, that he that was needed to see

2184
01:54:52,520 --> 01:54:55,080
Speaker 1: how well the rest of the car would run. We

2185
01:54:55,200 --> 01:54:57,280
Speaker 1: kept waiting and waiting and waiting, and they tried several

2186
01:54:57,320 --> 01:55:00,360
Speaker 1: different engine parts, some rebuilt, some weren't. Someone was I knew,

2187
01:55:00,440 --> 01:55:03,480
Speaker 1: you know, et cetera. And now it's worked Matt Taylor's

2188
01:55:03,480 --> 01:55:07,600
Speaker 1: the voice of the Colts. Joins us next, Matt Taylor

2189
01:55:07,720 --> 01:55:09,840
Speaker 1: is the voice of the Colts. He will be on

2190
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:13,120
Speaker 1: the call for the Colts in Pittsburgh Steelers coming up

2191
01:55:13,160 --> 01:55:17,360
Speaker 1: on Sunday. Matt. I mentioned this earlier, and I don't

2192
01:55:17,400 --> 01:55:21,960
Speaker 1: know if let me ask this, and my apologies for

2193
01:55:22,200 --> 01:55:24,960
Speaker 1: having to ask this without having it right before me.

2194
01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:27,280
Speaker 1: Have you called a game in Pittsburgh before?

2195
01:55:29,520 --> 01:55:33,840
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, I've been there three or four times and

2196
01:55:33,880 --> 01:55:36,440
Speaker 6: then done play by play once, okay, for a while

2197
01:55:36,480 --> 01:55:38,440
Speaker 6: ago it was in twenty nineteen.

2198
01:55:38,240 --> 01:55:41,720
Speaker 1: Gotcha, okay, And again my apologies on that. The reason

2199
01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:45,640
Speaker 1: I asked back then, was it Heinz field Still it was, yep.

2200
01:55:45,960 --> 01:55:48,480
Speaker 1: Because the one time that I went to a Colts

2201
01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:51,040
Speaker 1: Steelers game as a media member years ago, for a

2202
01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:54,640
Speaker 1: Monday night football game in my hotel room, and I

2203
01:55:54,640 --> 01:55:56,720
Speaker 1: don't know if this was a hotel thing, a Steelers thing,

2204
01:55:56,760 --> 01:55:58,640
Speaker 1: an NFL thing, I have no idea, but there was

2205
01:55:58,680 --> 01:56:02,640
Speaker 1: a basket about the eyes of an Eddie Garrison fitted

2206
01:56:02,680 --> 01:56:05,640
Speaker 1: hat that had every Heinz product known to man, and

2207
01:56:05,680 --> 01:56:08,120
Speaker 1: I was amazed how many different products Heinz makes. But

2208
01:56:08,160 --> 01:56:11,200
Speaker 1: it was awesome. But you won't get that now, will you.

2209
01:56:12,240 --> 01:56:14,440
Speaker 6: So what do they make? They make mustard and mayo

2210
01:56:14,680 --> 01:56:15,920
Speaker 6: and relish. What else did they make?

2211
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:18,840
Speaker 1: Oh, they were like barbecue sauces. There were like several

2212
01:56:18,840 --> 01:56:21,680
Speaker 1: different kinds of barbecue sauce, like basically if there's any

2213
01:56:21,720 --> 01:56:24,560
Speaker 1: sort of a condiment in any ways. I mean, hell,

2214
01:56:24,600 --> 01:56:26,200
Speaker 1: there might have been motor oil in there. I don't.

2215
01:56:26,240 --> 01:56:29,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it was unbelievable. It was like NonStop, you

2216
01:56:29,320 --> 01:56:29,800
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

2217
01:56:30,840 --> 01:56:34,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, it'll always be Hinesfield. There will always be the

2218
01:56:34,520 --> 01:56:36,840
Speaker 6: ketchup bottle in that one end zone in my mind,

2219
01:56:36,880 --> 01:56:39,160
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, Like I don't, I don't know.

2220
01:56:39,240 --> 01:56:41,240
Speaker 6: It's kind of like the RCA Dome.

2221
01:56:41,280 --> 01:56:41,960
Speaker 3: Who's Your Dome?

2222
01:56:42,160 --> 01:56:45,160
Speaker 6: You know, it'll always be you know for some people here.

2223
01:56:45,240 --> 01:56:46,760
Speaker 6: You know, when the Colts first moved to town, it's

2224
01:56:46,760 --> 01:56:49,200
Speaker 6: always going to be the Who's Your Dome? But yeah,

2225
01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:51,440
Speaker 6: regardless of what they call it, it's still a great

2226
01:56:51,480 --> 01:56:52,200
Speaker 6: home field advance.

2227
01:56:52,440 --> 01:56:54,440
Speaker 1: The other thing too, that's disappointing is now that it's

2228
01:56:54,480 --> 01:56:56,800
Speaker 1: no longer Heinz Field. I can't make my annual joke

2229
01:56:56,800 --> 01:56:58,280
Speaker 1: about the fact that it takes four and a half

2230
01:56:58,320 --> 01:57:02,320
Speaker 1: hours to get everyone out of the stadium. Here we go,

2231
01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:09,879
Speaker 1: homestyle gravy, ketchup, vinegar, mustard, relish, mayo cup, mixed sauce,

2232
01:57:10,080 --> 01:57:14,760
Speaker 1: chili sauce, pickle sauce, relish, barbecue sauce. I'm telling you

2233
01:57:14,920 --> 01:57:18,080
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable, like just nonsty and I got them all

2234
01:57:18,080 --> 01:57:20,160
Speaker 1: in one basket. Okay, let's begin with this.

2235
01:57:20,200 --> 01:57:22,520
Speaker 6: They don't make ranch, No ranch on there.

2236
01:57:22,720 --> 01:57:24,800
Speaker 1: There's got to hold on. There's got to be ranch, right,

2237
01:57:25,320 --> 01:57:26,360
Speaker 1: Is that an Indiana thing?

2238
01:57:26,360 --> 01:57:26,560
Speaker 3: Though?

2239
01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:31,080
Speaker 1: Here's the musta with like four A's mustard. That's a

2240
01:57:31,160 --> 01:57:36,960
Speaker 1: Chipotle honey flavor. I mean it's NonStop cocktail, sauce, turkey gravy.

2241
01:57:37,320 --> 01:57:39,000
Speaker 1: There's got to be ranch in here. Now. Now you

2242
01:57:39,080 --> 01:57:42,920
Speaker 1: got me looking. Now you got me looking, Eddie, can

2243
01:57:42,920 --> 01:57:45,240
Speaker 1: you continue looking? Please? At the hunt? How about just

2244
01:57:45,240 --> 01:57:48,680
Speaker 1: the Hinds Worcester sauce, Worcester shirt.

2245
01:57:48,720 --> 01:57:52,640
Speaker 6: However, you say that some people don't consider ranch a condiment.

2246
01:57:52,720 --> 01:57:55,320
Speaker 6: Some people say ranch is only addressing. To me, it's

2247
01:57:55,360 --> 01:57:58,520
Speaker 6: a condiment, a quite frankly, it's the most versatile condiment.

2248
01:57:58,600 --> 01:57:59,800
Speaker 6: You know what they do, they.

2249
01:58:00,640 --> 01:58:01,480
Speaker 3: Do They got rangs.

2250
01:58:01,520 --> 01:58:04,360
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I consider ranch and mayonnaise both to

2251
01:58:04,400 --> 01:58:06,920
Speaker 1: be absolutely horrific in the Spawn of the Devil. But

2252
01:58:06,960 --> 01:58:08,120
Speaker 1: that's a whole different talk show.

2253
01:58:08,200 --> 01:58:11,840
Speaker 6: Oh oh Jay, I'm just telling you.

2254
01:58:12,200 --> 01:58:15,360
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, Matt. Let's begin with this trade

2255
01:58:15,400 --> 01:58:18,840
Speaker 1: deadline upcoming. You know, do you anticipate I don't know

2256
01:58:18,880 --> 01:58:21,200
Speaker 1: that any of us know for certain, and it always

2257
01:58:21,280 --> 01:58:23,720
Speaker 1: takes two to tango, right, Do you think that we

2258
01:58:23,760 --> 01:58:25,720
Speaker 1: will see something or hear something between now and the

2259
01:58:25,720 --> 01:58:26,520
Speaker 1: trade deadline?

2260
01:58:27,400 --> 01:58:27,640
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2261
01:58:27,800 --> 01:58:28,200
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2262
01:58:28,240 --> 01:58:31,120
Speaker 6: It's a really good question because you know, since Chris

2263
01:58:31,160 --> 01:58:34,120
Speaker 6: Ballard's been here, you know, they haven't been seven and

2264
01:58:34,240 --> 01:58:37,040
Speaker 6: one at this point. You know, as we get creeping

2265
01:58:37,080 --> 01:58:40,960
Speaker 6: towards the trade deadline, so you know, not to cop out,

2266
01:58:40,960 --> 01:58:43,080
Speaker 6: but it's kind of like uncharted waters right now, you

2267
01:58:43,160 --> 01:58:45,160
Speaker 6: know what I mean. So you know, if you were

2268
01:58:45,200 --> 01:58:47,000
Speaker 6: to look at the roster and say, where are some

2269
01:58:47,040 --> 01:58:50,440
Speaker 6: of the upgrades in terms of positions, you know, you

2270
01:58:50,440 --> 01:58:53,200
Speaker 6: can look at corner, you can look at defensive end.

2271
01:58:54,040 --> 01:58:56,480
Speaker 6: But again, like, who are you gonna get? Like, I

2272
01:58:56,560 --> 01:58:59,360
Speaker 6: don't I'm just playing devil's advocate, you know what I mean?

2273
01:58:59,480 --> 01:59:02,520
Speaker 6: Like the top corners aren't going to be on the market,

2274
01:59:02,960 --> 01:59:04,400
Speaker 6: you know, are you going to give up a draft

2275
01:59:04,400 --> 01:59:06,120
Speaker 6: picks for next year. When you think you're going to

2276
01:59:06,200 --> 01:59:09,400
Speaker 6: be good again next season, right in twenty twenty six,

2277
01:59:09,840 --> 01:59:13,360
Speaker 6: you know you're gonna give up draft picks to reinforce

2278
01:59:13,440 --> 01:59:16,560
Speaker 6: your roster, you know, next spring. You know, I don't know,

2279
01:59:16,640 --> 01:59:19,960
Speaker 6: like if if you just get you know, marginally better

2280
01:59:20,120 --> 01:59:23,400
Speaker 6: or just percentage points better, is it worth doing, you know,

2281
01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:27,200
Speaker 6: based on or compared to I should say, you know,

2282
01:59:27,240 --> 01:59:29,640
Speaker 6: like some of the guys you've had on this team

2283
01:59:29,720 --> 01:59:31,800
Speaker 6: that know the system, that have been been with you

2284
01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:34,000
Speaker 6: every step of the way so far this year, dating

2285
01:59:34,040 --> 01:59:36,280
Speaker 6: back to training camp, and I don't know, I'm just

2286
01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:38,960
Speaker 6: playing Devil's advocate, but it's going to be fascinating to see,

2287
01:59:39,320 --> 01:59:41,600
Speaker 6: you know, what ends up happening next week, because it's

2288
01:59:41,640 --> 01:59:44,360
Speaker 6: next what is the next Tuesday, right, I think it's

2289
01:59:44,360 --> 01:59:48,880
Speaker 6: the fourth at four o'clock, so you know, corner, defensive end.

2290
01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:51,080
Speaker 6: You know, these are areas that you know the Colts

2291
01:59:51,120 --> 01:59:54,360
Speaker 6: might be looking to possibly upgrade because you know they've

2292
01:59:54,360 --> 01:59:56,000
Speaker 6: they've got a lot of sacks, they got a lot

2293
01:59:56,000 --> 01:59:58,400
Speaker 6: of pressures. But like we've talked about before in the past,

2294
01:59:58,800 --> 02:00:00,440
Speaker 6: you know, you want to see more of those first

2295
02:00:00,480 --> 02:00:02,840
Speaker 6: wave sacks. You want to see more consistency in the

2296
02:00:02,880 --> 02:00:05,800
Speaker 6: sack total. You know, before the fourth quarter, win a

2297
02:00:05,840 --> 02:00:09,040
Speaker 6: team on offense that you know, your opposing team that

2298
02:00:09,040 --> 02:00:11,440
Speaker 6: that's trying to get back into the game, you know,

2299
02:00:11,520 --> 02:00:14,240
Speaker 6: down by like twenty points as was the case last

2300
02:00:14,240 --> 02:00:16,640
Speaker 6: week in the fourth quarter with Tennessee. You know that's

2301
02:00:16,640 --> 02:00:18,520
Speaker 6: when the sacks have come. You want to see them come,

2302
02:00:18,960 --> 02:00:22,040
Speaker 6: you know, earlier in the game and I would say

2303
02:00:22,080 --> 02:00:25,480
Speaker 6: more significant spots if you will. But it's going to

2304
02:00:25,520 --> 02:00:26,920
Speaker 6: be really interesting to see what happened.

2305
02:00:27,000 --> 02:00:29,120
Speaker 1: Where do things stand right now? Matt Taylor, the voice

2306
02:00:29,120 --> 02:00:31,320
Speaker 1: of the Colts, our guest on the Java House Peel

2307
02:00:31,320 --> 02:00:33,200
Speaker 1: and poor guest line, Where do things stand right now

2308
02:00:33,240 --> 02:00:38,240
Speaker 1: in terms of health status? The injury report from yesterday, Matt,

2309
02:00:38,840 --> 02:00:40,800
Speaker 1: there were more. There were some on there that did

2310
02:00:40,840 --> 02:00:43,480
Speaker 1: not practice yesterday. That did surprise me a little bit.

2311
02:00:43,520 --> 02:00:45,960
Speaker 1: But then again, you have to temper that somewhat because

2312
02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:48,880
Speaker 1: you just don't know how much of that is precautionary

2313
02:00:48,880 --> 02:00:50,760
Speaker 1: because it's the beginning of the week as opposed to

2314
02:00:50,760 --> 02:00:51,120
Speaker 1: the end.

2315
02:00:51,920 --> 02:00:53,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, it's a good point. I mean with today

2316
02:00:53,800 --> 02:00:55,360
Speaker 6: is kind of like the day where you want to

2317
02:00:55,400 --> 02:00:57,800
Speaker 6: ease guys back in that are dealing with things from

2318
02:00:57,800 --> 02:01:01,760
Speaker 6: the weekend before, and so you see more dnps you know,

2319
02:01:01,840 --> 02:01:04,839
Speaker 6: did not participates on Wednesday than you do on Thursday

2320
02:01:04,920 --> 02:01:07,600
Speaker 6: or Friday, as you lead, you know, ramp back up

2321
02:01:07,640 --> 02:01:09,960
Speaker 6: into a weekend if you will. So yeah, I mean yesterday.

2322
02:01:09,960 --> 02:01:12,240
Speaker 6: I think the guys you're referring to, I can get

2323
02:01:12,320 --> 02:01:16,720
Speaker 6: Cross and Josh Downs. You know, Grover Stewart didn't practice yesterday.

2324
02:01:16,800 --> 02:01:19,880
Speaker 6: Anthony goul didn't practice yesterday. A lot of those guys

2325
02:01:19,960 --> 02:01:23,200
Speaker 6: did come back in some form today. We'll see what

2326
02:01:23,240 --> 02:01:26,160
Speaker 6: the injury report says. Uh, you know, when they have

2327
02:01:26,200 --> 02:01:29,200
Speaker 6: a clear designation on them, but they were more visible

2328
02:01:30,040 --> 02:01:32,480
Speaker 6: when the media was out there earlier today. So some

2329
02:01:32,560 --> 02:01:35,520
Speaker 6: guys were back to practice today that didn't practice yesterday,

2330
02:01:35,840 --> 02:01:39,160
Speaker 6: that were visible by the media. I think Grover Stewart's

2331
02:01:39,160 --> 02:01:41,320
Speaker 6: probably the biggest one to keep an eye on because

2332
02:01:42,240 --> 02:01:44,880
Speaker 6: we didn't see him today and he didn't practice yesterday,

2333
02:01:44,920 --> 02:01:47,440
Speaker 6: and so we'll see what his designation is later on

2334
02:01:47,480 --> 02:01:50,200
Speaker 6: this afternoon when the injury report comes out. But uh,

2335
02:01:50,320 --> 02:01:52,360
Speaker 6: I mean he's still even though I had a time,

2336
02:01:52,440 --> 02:01:54,240
Speaker 6: A lot of Bar's having a really good year, and

2337
02:01:54,280 --> 02:01:56,760
Speaker 6: Neville Gallamore is having a really good year. You know,

2338
02:01:56,800 --> 02:01:59,200
Speaker 6: he's still just I think one of the best defensive

2339
02:01:59,200 --> 02:02:00,920
Speaker 6: tackles in the game. And you pair him up with

2340
02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:03,600
Speaker 6: the Forrest Buckner, then I think you really have something

2341
02:02:03,600 --> 02:02:05,720
Speaker 6: which has been the case the last you know, three

2342
02:02:05,800 --> 02:02:07,480
Speaker 6: or four years, and those guys have been just in

2343
02:02:07,560 --> 02:02:10,480
Speaker 6: their prime. So you want to have him available on

2344
02:02:10,520 --> 02:02:13,200
Speaker 6: the road in a really big, big game, big atmosphere

2345
02:02:13,560 --> 02:02:16,400
Speaker 6: in Pittsburgh, ideally going in Sunday.

2346
02:02:16,640 --> 02:02:19,760
Speaker 1: You know, Matt, one of the things we talked about yesterday,

2347
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:23,120
Speaker 1: and I know that Gonzalez did not practice because of

2348
02:02:23,160 --> 02:02:25,320
Speaker 1: a family loss, you know, so a personal reason he

2349
02:02:25,360 --> 02:02:28,120
Speaker 1: did not practice. I don't know, and I certainly understand,

2350
02:02:28,160 --> 02:02:30,959
Speaker 1: you know I whether or not that means he's available

2351
02:02:30,960 --> 02:02:32,840
Speaker 1: on Sunday, I think we would all understand if he's

2352
02:02:32,840 --> 02:02:35,280
Speaker 1: not when you have a family member that passes. But

2353
02:02:36,200 --> 02:02:39,800
Speaker 1: the we've talked about Daniel Jones, you know, you and

2354
02:02:39,840 --> 02:02:41,920
Speaker 1: I when you when you come on, we've talked about this.

2355
02:02:42,600 --> 02:02:45,720
Speaker 1: You know, the offense and the way they're playing and

2356
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:49,640
Speaker 1: in all of it, and I feel like the time

2357
02:02:49,760 --> 02:02:51,760
Speaker 1: is now and probably we could do it every day

2358
02:02:51,800 --> 02:02:56,120
Speaker 1: to give the offensive line their flowers because individually speaking,

2359
02:02:56,240 --> 02:03:01,280
Speaker 1: and I wanted you to touch on this. Individually, each

2360
02:03:01,400 --> 02:03:04,840
Speaker 1: member of that line not named Quentin Nelson came into

2361
02:03:04,920 --> 02:03:08,280
Speaker 1: a situation where there was reason for them to be questioned.

2362
02:03:08,760 --> 02:03:10,600
Speaker 1: Maybe they were playing a different position than what they

2363
02:03:10,680 --> 02:03:14,480
Speaker 1: played in college. Maybe they were their arms weren't long enough,

2364
02:03:14,720 --> 02:03:18,280
Speaker 1: you know, according to the gurus on draft night, et cetera.

2365
02:03:18,840 --> 02:03:23,160
Speaker 1: Each one of them had something to prove. Yet collectively,

2366
02:03:23,240 --> 02:03:26,880
Speaker 1: as a unit they are playing as well. Is about

2367
02:03:26,920 --> 02:03:28,760
Speaker 1: any line we've seen in a long time in this

2368
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:31,200
Speaker 1: town and right now, as well as anybody in the league.

2369
02:03:31,640 --> 02:03:35,720
Speaker 1: And I'm curious if you have noticed, from an individual standpoint,

2370
02:03:36,360 --> 02:03:39,480
Speaker 1: just kind of that drive that each of those guys

2371
02:03:39,600 --> 02:03:42,240
Speaker 1: individually has that I'm talking about.

2372
02:03:42,440 --> 02:03:44,720
Speaker 6: No, I appreciate you bringing those guys up. I mean,

2373
02:03:44,760 --> 02:03:47,360
Speaker 6: if you just go through them one by one, like

2374
02:03:47,400 --> 02:03:50,080
Speaker 6: you said. Outside of Nelson, I mean, Ryman was a

2375
02:03:50,120 --> 02:03:53,600
Speaker 6: tight end in college and had a really tough indoctrination

2376
02:03:53,680 --> 02:03:56,960
Speaker 6: into the NFL. Remember that twenty twenty two season. It

2377
02:03:57,040 --> 02:03:58,400
Speaker 6: was kind of rough for him. You know, he had

2378
02:03:58,440 --> 02:04:00,320
Speaker 6: to put on weight and work on his football. I

2379
02:04:00,320 --> 02:04:02,240
Speaker 6: mean his first game, I think it was on a

2380
02:04:02,280 --> 02:04:05,040
Speaker 6: Thursday night against Denver, and he had like whatever it was,

2381
02:04:05,640 --> 02:04:08,360
Speaker 6: you know, three or four fall starts, a couple holding penalties,

2382
02:04:08,400 --> 02:04:11,200
Speaker 6: like it was a very forgettable performance, and now he's

2383
02:04:11,320 --> 02:04:14,120
Speaker 6: rock solid. And then you got the center Tanner Bordolini.

2384
02:04:14,760 --> 02:04:17,680
Speaker 6: Just as recently as what four months ago, he was

2385
02:04:17,720 --> 02:04:20,720
Speaker 6: in a battle with Danny Pinter to be the starter

2386
02:04:20,840 --> 02:04:23,920
Speaker 6: at center, and now he's played about ninety six percent

2387
02:04:23,960 --> 02:04:25,879
Speaker 6: of the snaps and he's one of the most athletic

2388
02:04:26,040 --> 02:04:28,280
Speaker 6: centers in the game and can do a lot of

2389
02:04:28,320 --> 02:04:31,960
Speaker 6: things that other guys can't. You mentioned Matt Gonzalveez, you know,

2390
02:04:32,000 --> 02:04:34,120
Speaker 6: losing his dad, and so obviously this is going to

2391
02:04:34,160 --> 02:04:37,840
Speaker 6: be a really trying, trying week and trying time for him.

2392
02:04:38,080 --> 02:04:41,800
Speaker 6: But you know, he's he's making a position switch as well,

2393
02:04:42,240 --> 02:04:45,440
Speaker 6: going from tackle to guard, and you know, missed most

2394
02:04:45,480 --> 02:04:48,640
Speaker 6: of the end of his last year in college at Pittsburgh,

2395
02:04:48,680 --> 02:04:51,960
Speaker 6: and he seems like he's just killing it right now

2396
02:04:52,000 --> 02:04:54,440
Speaker 6: in the inside of that offensive line. And then Braden

2397
02:04:54,440 --> 02:04:57,640
Speaker 6: Smith going through what he went through last year with

2398
02:04:58,760 --> 02:05:02,200
Speaker 6: you know, his his OC problems and you know some

2399
02:05:02,280 --> 02:05:05,840
Speaker 6: of the mental health, you know, hurdles that he's dealt with,

2400
02:05:05,880 --> 02:05:08,720
Speaker 6: and he talks openly about those again yesterday, and I

2401
02:05:08,720 --> 02:05:12,680
Speaker 6: think he's just a walking inspiration for not only guys

2402
02:05:12,680 --> 02:05:16,000
Speaker 6: in the locker room, but when people read and you know,

2403
02:05:16,080 --> 02:05:19,080
Speaker 6: hear about his story. He gives a lot of people

2404
02:05:19,160 --> 02:05:22,480
Speaker 6: hope and optimism. And you know, it's that that kicking

2405
02:05:22,520 --> 02:05:25,640
Speaker 6: the stigma, you know, mantra that the Colts and the

2406
02:05:25,760 --> 02:05:28,520
Speaker 6: organization live by. You know, it's okay not to be okay.

2407
02:05:28,560 --> 02:05:32,040
Speaker 6: And he's dealt with those mental demons and has come

2408
02:05:32,040 --> 02:05:35,160
Speaker 6: out on the other side. And so you know, it's

2409
02:05:35,200 --> 02:05:38,200
Speaker 6: Braden the other day too, talking about you know, he's

2410
02:05:38,240 --> 02:05:41,520
Speaker 6: been here since twenty eighteen, Nelson's been here since eighteen.

2411
02:05:41,840 --> 02:05:44,280
Speaker 6: Ryman's been here for what four or five years now,

2412
02:05:44,640 --> 02:05:48,240
Speaker 6: and this is the closest offensive line togetherness that they've had.

2413
02:05:48,320 --> 02:05:51,200
Speaker 6: I think Tony Sperano deserves a lot of credit for that,

2414
02:05:51,480 --> 02:05:54,120
Speaker 6: but it's just I think Nelson and his leadership they

2415
02:05:54,200 --> 02:05:56,680
Speaker 6: hang out off the field, they go to dinners, but

2416
02:05:56,840 --> 02:05:59,600
Speaker 6: just on the field most importantly, they're just connected their

2417
02:05:59,680 --> 02:06:03,040
Speaker 6: bond and I think that matters, and I think that helps,

2418
02:06:03,840 --> 02:06:06,440
Speaker 6: you know, the production. They've only given up what nine

2419
02:06:06,560 --> 02:06:09,800
Speaker 6: sacks all season. I mean, that's just a tremendous number

2420
02:06:09,840 --> 02:06:11,920
Speaker 6: and it's helping. Daniel Jones is helping the rest of

2421
02:06:11,920 --> 02:06:15,680
Speaker 6: the offense, and you know those intangibles that don't show

2422
02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:18,400
Speaker 6: up in the box score, you know, like team chemistry.

2423
02:06:18,440 --> 02:06:20,320
Speaker 6: I think that's a huge part of their success.

2424
02:06:20,400 --> 02:06:23,480
Speaker 1: Up front, Matt Taylor, the Voice of the Colts, is

2425
02:06:23,520 --> 02:06:26,680
Speaker 1: our guest Java House Peel and poor guest line. Matt.

2426
02:06:26,720 --> 02:06:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm curious of the Jim Mersey collection that we now

2427
02:06:29,080 --> 02:06:30,560
Speaker 1: know is going to go up for sale. You're a

2428
02:06:30,640 --> 02:06:33,960
Speaker 1: music guy, You're an old soul musically speaking, You're going

2429
02:06:34,040 --> 02:06:35,440
Speaker 1: to put in bids for witch guitar.

2430
02:06:36,240 --> 02:06:40,959
Speaker 6: Oh man, that's great. I mean anything by spring staining anything.

2431
02:06:41,040 --> 02:06:43,320
Speaker 6: I mean. I know he's got the Pink Floyd guitars

2432
02:06:43,440 --> 02:06:47,800
Speaker 6: and the Jimmy Hendricks guitars. I mean, it's not hyperbole

2433
02:06:47,920 --> 02:06:52,120
Speaker 6: when people say it is the best guitar collection in

2434
02:06:52,200 --> 02:06:55,640
Speaker 6: the world. And I've seen it like three or four times,

2435
02:06:55,680 --> 02:06:59,400
Speaker 6: you know, most specifically when the Jim Mersey Band would

2436
02:06:59,400 --> 02:07:02,280
Speaker 6: play the kick off concert, you know, late August, early

2437
02:07:02,320 --> 02:07:06,360
Speaker 6: September before Week one. You know, got to poke around

2438
02:07:06,400 --> 02:07:08,880
Speaker 6: at it a couple of times then. But to me,

2439
02:07:08,920 --> 02:07:11,080
Speaker 6: it's like being in the equivalent of the Rock and

2440
02:07:11,160 --> 02:07:12,880
Speaker 6: Roll Hall of Fame. I've been to the rock Hall

2441
02:07:12,960 --> 02:07:16,000
Speaker 6: once and I could have spent you know, three more

2442
02:07:16,120 --> 02:07:20,280
Speaker 6: days there just walking around and appreciating things. So yeah,

2443
02:07:20,960 --> 02:07:23,320
Speaker 6: without a doubt, that's that's the coolest part of the

2444
02:07:23,320 --> 02:07:26,000
Speaker 6: collection for me. And it spanned so many different things,

2445
02:07:26,360 --> 02:07:28,920
Speaker 6: as we know, right, it's not just music, it's pop culture,

2446
02:07:28,960 --> 02:07:32,320
Speaker 6: it's history. But the guitar collection is probably the highlight

2447
02:07:32,360 --> 02:07:32,960
Speaker 6: of the collection.

2448
02:07:33,160 --> 02:07:35,440
Speaker 1: So I don't want to get anybody in trouble here.

2449
02:07:35,480 --> 02:07:37,400
Speaker 1: But I don't know the guy's names. I guess I won't.

2450
02:07:38,160 --> 02:07:40,360
Speaker 1: You know, I don't Matt, you know Nick Yeoman right

2451
02:07:40,400 --> 02:07:43,960
Speaker 1: that I do any car radio with. Yeah, So Nick

2452
02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:47,800
Speaker 1: and I several years ago were in I think it

2453
02:07:47,800 --> 02:07:49,080
Speaker 1: was when we were a midd Ohio and we're like,

2454
02:07:49,160 --> 02:07:51,320
Speaker 1: let's go to Cleveland. So we drove to Cleveland and

2455
02:07:51,320 --> 02:07:52,880
Speaker 1: we're like, let's go to the Rock and Roll Hall

2456
02:07:52,920 --> 02:07:55,000
Speaker 1: of Fame. Well, it closes at six or whatever, and

2457
02:07:55,040 --> 02:07:56,840
Speaker 1: we get there at like five fifteen. This is kind

2458
02:07:56,880 --> 02:07:59,200
Speaker 1: of the story of my life, right, So, and it's

2459
02:07:59,240 --> 02:08:01,120
Speaker 1: not in expense of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,

2460
02:08:01,200 --> 02:08:03,440
Speaker 1: you know, twenty foived box wherever we get in. So

2461
02:08:03,520 --> 02:08:05,520
Speaker 1: we go there and Nick and I are sitting there

2462
02:08:05,560 --> 02:08:08,280
Speaker 1: debating and discussing whether or not we should pay the

2463
02:08:08,320 --> 02:08:10,240
Speaker 1: full fare to go in and be able to walk through,

2464
02:08:10,280 --> 02:08:13,160
Speaker 1: and basically like, oh, look there's Jimmy. There's Jim Morrison's

2465
02:08:13,200 --> 02:08:16,200
Speaker 1: boy Scout uniform, you know what I mean. So while

2466
02:08:16,200 --> 02:08:19,840
Speaker 1: we're doing it, the guy working says, so, where are

2467
02:08:19,840 --> 02:08:23,400
Speaker 1: you guys from? And I say we're from We work

2468
02:08:23,640 --> 02:08:28,200
Speaker 1: radio for Indycard. We're from Indianapolis. The guy then like

2469
02:08:29,000 --> 02:08:33,320
Speaker 1: jolts full of energy and says, I'm the biggest Indianapolis

2470
02:08:33,320 --> 02:08:35,600
Speaker 1: Colts fan known to man, and like has to show

2471
02:08:35,640 --> 02:08:37,760
Speaker 1: me his wallet which is like a Colt's wallet, and

2472
02:08:37,800 --> 02:08:40,280
Speaker 1: his key chain which is a Colts keychain, and his boxers,

2473
02:08:40,280 --> 02:08:42,640
Speaker 1: which are Colts boxers, and then it's uncomfortable. And then

2474
02:08:42,680 --> 02:08:46,560
Speaker 1: he says, if you're from Indy Hell, I ain't charging you,

2475
02:08:46,760 --> 02:08:49,560
Speaker 1: And so we got to go in free. So the

2476
02:08:49,600 --> 02:08:51,360
Speaker 1: Colts got me in free to the Rock and Roll

2477
02:08:51,360 --> 02:08:51,880
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame.

2478
02:08:51,960 --> 02:08:53,960
Speaker 6: Baby, did you get to stay later?

2479
02:08:54,840 --> 02:08:57,080
Speaker 1: You know, great question. You would have thought it was

2480
02:08:57,120 --> 02:08:58,520
Speaker 1: one of those things where I think it's kind of

2481
02:08:58,520 --> 02:09:01,160
Speaker 1: like when you're at Kroger and they're like, attention choppers,

2482
02:09:01,160 --> 02:09:03,320
Speaker 1: you got ten minutes to get up to the front regester.

2483
02:09:03,920 --> 02:09:05,440
Speaker 1: I think they came over and said, like, you know,

2484
02:09:05,520 --> 02:09:07,200
Speaker 1: we closed in ten minutes, and we just kind of

2485
02:09:07,240 --> 02:09:10,280
Speaker 1: meandered our way through, and we did not stay like

2486
02:09:10,520 --> 02:09:13,280
Speaker 1: well after hours. But we got we got our money's worth,

2487
02:09:13,320 --> 02:09:15,160
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that much. Right, that's good.

2488
02:09:15,320 --> 02:09:18,280
Speaker 6: Well, there's no doubt about that. Yeah, I mean that

2489
02:09:18,320 --> 02:09:21,000
Speaker 6: thing has got like seven stories, doesn't it. I mean, yeah,

2490
02:09:21,040 --> 02:09:22,920
Speaker 6: it may have, it may have changed since I last

2491
02:09:22,960 --> 02:09:23,200
Speaker 6: been there.

2492
02:09:23,400 --> 02:09:25,640
Speaker 1: Well, the problem I have with the Rock and Roll

2493
02:09:25,680 --> 02:09:27,960
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame is I'm like, let's just call it

2494
02:09:27,960 --> 02:09:29,680
Speaker 1: what it is at this point. It's the music Hall

2495
02:09:29,680 --> 02:09:31,800
Speaker 1: of Fame, right, Like there's nothing about Bob Marley that

2496
02:09:31,840 --> 02:09:35,680
Speaker 1: says rock and roll, right, yes, and no.

2497
02:09:35,880 --> 02:09:38,280
Speaker 6: Like, I see your point, But rock and roll is

2498
02:09:38,520 --> 02:09:41,720
Speaker 6: it's like a rock and roll is like a melting pot.

2499
02:09:41,800 --> 02:09:44,880
Speaker 6: It's like it's the evolution of It's the evolution of

2500
02:09:44,960 --> 02:09:50,640
Speaker 6: gospel and rock and funk and soul and R and B. So,

2501
02:09:50,680 --> 02:09:52,520
Speaker 6: I mean, all of those things kind of pipe into

2502
02:09:52,600 --> 02:09:53,120
Speaker 6: rock and roll.

2503
02:09:53,760 --> 02:09:55,400
Speaker 1: And I don't even know is Dolly Parton in the

2504
02:09:55,480 --> 02:09:58,720
Speaker 1: rock and Roll Hall of Fame? I don't know, you

2505
02:09:58,800 --> 02:10:00,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Or you know, like country music.

2506
02:10:00,720 --> 02:10:04,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it's to me again, it's I get it.

2507
02:10:04,240 --> 02:10:06,640
Speaker 1: I mean, if there is one genre of music that

2508
02:10:06,720 --> 02:10:10,520
Speaker 1: you would say is the most all encompassing, perhaps rock

2509
02:10:10,560 --> 02:10:14,720
Speaker 1: and roll is the term, right, but maybe it's an

2510
02:10:14,760 --> 02:10:16,680
Speaker 1: age thing too. I still think of rock and roll

2511
02:10:16,720 --> 02:10:19,680
Speaker 1: as meaning like from Bill Haley and the Comets through

2512
02:10:19,840 --> 02:10:22,360
Speaker 1: classic rock and then that's it, which leads to this

2513
02:10:22,480 --> 02:10:23,320
Speaker 1: last question, Matt.

2514
02:10:23,400 --> 02:10:25,360
Speaker 2: She was by the way, in November of twenty two.

2515
02:10:25,480 --> 02:10:32,760
Speaker 1: Okay, do you believe, Matt, that classic rock is defined

2516
02:10:32,960 --> 02:10:36,760
Speaker 1: simply as music that is, say, forty years old, regardless

2517
02:10:36,760 --> 02:10:39,120
Speaker 1: of the time frame in which you are using the term,

2518
02:10:39,640 --> 02:10:43,240
Speaker 1: or does classic rock simply mean music produced from nineteen

2519
02:10:43,280 --> 02:10:44,680
Speaker 1: sixty eight to nineteen eighty.

2520
02:10:47,240 --> 02:10:50,360
Speaker 6: I think it's probably more of like what you said,

2521
02:10:50,720 --> 02:10:53,920
Speaker 6: like six, like a time period, you know, like mid

2522
02:10:54,040 --> 02:10:56,440
Speaker 6: sixties to early early eighties.

2523
02:10:56,480 --> 02:10:59,760
Speaker 1: So Nirvana, because they are now you know that that

2524
02:11:00,000 --> 02:11:02,880
Speaker 1: debut album is nearly thirty five years old. It does

2525
02:11:02,880 --> 02:11:07,839
Speaker 1: not quantify as classic rock, correct in my opinion.

2526
02:11:08,080 --> 02:11:11,320
Speaker 6: No, But that being said, like, I think it's hard

2527
02:11:11,360 --> 02:11:15,240
Speaker 6: to argue that nowadays because I think the rock and

2528
02:11:15,360 --> 02:11:18,160
Speaker 6: roll or the classic rock format, and I could be

2529
02:11:18,200 --> 02:11:20,680
Speaker 6: wrong about this because I don't. I don't listen to

2530
02:11:20,720 --> 02:11:24,440
Speaker 6: like Q ninety five or one oh four point five

2531
02:11:24,480 --> 02:11:26,520
Speaker 6: on the rag as they say, as the kids say,

2532
02:11:26,600 --> 02:11:29,000
Speaker 6: but it just seems like I'm hearing more of like

2533
02:11:29,360 --> 02:11:32,400
Speaker 6: Nirvana and the Red Hot Chili Pep more than I did,

2534
02:11:32,480 --> 02:11:33,640
Speaker 6: you know fifteen years ago.

2535
02:11:33,880 --> 02:11:37,720
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, the one of the more somber moments

2536
02:11:37,720 --> 02:11:39,040
Speaker 1: of my life is when I was talking to a

2537
02:11:39,040 --> 02:11:41,200
Speaker 1: college person and I said something like, yeah, when I

2538
02:11:41,240 --> 02:11:43,760
Speaker 1: was in college, Nirvana and Pearl Jam were huge. And

2539
02:11:43,800 --> 02:11:45,880
Speaker 1: they said to me, oh, yeah, dude, I love all

2540
02:11:45,960 --> 02:11:46,920
Speaker 1: the old classic rock.

2541
02:11:49,600 --> 02:11:52,240
Speaker 6: Okay, and then you and then you punched them in

2542
02:11:52,240 --> 02:11:52,640
Speaker 6: the mouth.

2543
02:11:54,480 --> 02:11:57,840
Speaker 1: I was like, well, okay, we could have stopped there.

2544
02:11:58,240 --> 02:12:01,680
Speaker 1: All right, Steelers And on Sunday, Matt, we will be

2545
02:12:01,840 --> 02:12:05,000
Speaker 1: listening and certainly enjoy the trip over and safe travels.

2546
02:12:05,000 --> 02:12:07,800
Speaker 6: All right, all right, guys, I appreciate your.

2547
02:12:07,520 --> 02:12:09,480
Speaker 1: Matt Taylor, the voice of the Colts. We'll come back.

2548
02:12:09,560 --> 02:12:12,160
Speaker 1: Jmv is on remote. I believe he's at the ale Emporium.

2549
02:12:12,240 --> 02:12:15,640
Speaker 1: Is that the Castleton location at Castleton Location and Hermanachy

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Speaker 1: Wings are fabulous up there. We will throw it out

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Speaker 1: to John. We'll do it as part of the crossover

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Speaker 1: brought to you by the good Guys that love Hitting

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Speaker 1: and Air Love Dash HVAC dot com is the website

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Speaker 1: three one seven three three twenty one forty one. The

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Speaker 1: telephone number. One of the studio sheets that includes handwritten

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Speaker 1: lyrics and notes from Paul McCartney about this song, Hey

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Speaker 1: Jude is included in the ERSA collection again up for now,

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Speaker 1: we'll eventually go up for auction. That announcement earlier today

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Speaker 1: J ANDB is at Alan Porium up in Castleton and John,

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Speaker 1: I love it because Ryan's up there hanging out with you,

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Speaker 1: right Ryan.

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Speaker 10: Yes, surfside is here. Our good friend Ryan is over there.

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Speaker 10: See he's at the bar right now.

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Speaker 1: Hello Ryan.

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Speaker 3: There's no doubt. Hey a part of that collection?

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Speaker 1: Is there?

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Speaker 10: The spelling of come on Feel the Noise by Quiet Riot?

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Speaker 10: Is that part of Jim Ers's collection?

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Speaker 1: Yes, the original sheet. It's actually I could make my

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Speaker 1: own joke about it being two sheets of paper and

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Speaker 1: not one, but I'll just leave it at that. How's that?

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Speaker 10: I think it was written on a Hooters napkin, wasn't it?

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Speaker 10: Like the Does he have that in the collection?

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Speaker 3: Miss?

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Speaker 10: I'm miss making crap up right here? Just man, I'm

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Speaker 10: telling I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: I did not realize the depth of the collection, to

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Speaker 1: be honest with you. I mean the stuff that is there,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty impressive, right, pretty impressive.

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Speaker 3: There's no doubt about it, Jake.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 10: And he shout out to Ryan Stultz as you mentioned too,

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02:13:43,440 --> 02:13:45,520
Speaker 10: he is in the house for you. Hey, Jake, I

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02:13:45,600 --> 02:13:49,080
Speaker 10: was curious how long every time Miles Turner says anything

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Speaker 10: like I got to answer for it? Hey, what's up,

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02:13:51,040 --> 02:13:53,480
Speaker 10: Denny Smith? Why is that? How long is this going

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02:13:53,520 --> 02:13:56,400
Speaker 10: to be? What's the statute of limitations on me having

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02:13:56,400 --> 02:13:59,400
Speaker 10: to answer everything? Every time he goes on some really

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02:13:59,480 --> 02:14:03,360
Speaker 10: crappy basketball playing Little Brothers podcast?

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Speaker 1: What's the length of time that you defended him on

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Speaker 1: the radio?

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Speaker 3: Eight years? Seven years?

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Speaker 1: So there you go.

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Speaker 10: I could I could tell you this. When he was

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Speaker 10: made fun of for doing yoga in the off season,

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Speaker 10: that's when I started. Remember he did yoga?

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Speaker 1: Now was he? He was a lego guy too? Right?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Yoga and lego, Yeah, they're probably.

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Speaker 10: Hey, and let's let's be clear, and I think you're

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02:14:28,440 --> 02:14:30,680
Speaker 10: probably on the same page with me. I don't give

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Speaker 10: two craps for what he does, what he doesn't do

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Speaker 10: what happens to him, and if he gets his ass whipped,

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Speaker 10: he gets his ass whipped.

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Speaker 3: I just have always hated about how he left and how.

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Speaker 10: It because I know he's He's pissed obviously at the

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Speaker 10: front office, right, I mean, he's mad at them because

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Speaker 10: they low balled him. Okay, but don't talk junk about

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Speaker 10: the guys that carried your rear end most of the time.

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Speaker 10: And the reason why he was any good at all

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02:14:56,840 --> 02:14:59,920
Speaker 10: was because of Tyree's halliburn. The reason why he was

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Speaker 10: any good between Tyree Salimurton and Rick Carlisle coming here

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Speaker 10: and getting rid of Nate b or Grenn on the

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Speaker 10: stand of the corner offense and shipping off some bonus.

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Speaker 3: That was the reason why he was good.

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Speaker 1: So I understand listen, I understand his reasoning for ending

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Speaker 1: up at Milwaukee for certain, right as he.

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Speaker 3: Got onto mine.

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Speaker 1: I think he was an important piece here for sure.

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Speaker 1: But I also understand why fans would be upset at

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Speaker 1: his departure because it leaves you wondering and guessing what

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Speaker 1: could have been, you know what I mean, that's just

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Speaker 1: the reality of it. What's lined up on the big

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Speaker 1: show today, John.

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Speaker 3: We got our latch of the bourbon lockslun with the

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Speaker 3: key of Shots.

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Speaker 10: It is the day before Halloween at the Legendary Ale Emporium.

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Speaker 10: We're in Castleton, Jake today, we'd love to see you.

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Speaker 10: We have the John Griffin retirement party here. Denny Smith.

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Speaker 10: Denny Smith wrote in on his gyro copter plane end. Yeah,

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Speaker 10: and I didn't know. I knew it was like a

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Speaker 10: costume day going on downtown with our stations. John Griffin,

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Speaker 10: oddly enough dressed up as Thomas Jefferson in a sweater.

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Speaker 10: That's beautiful speak Wait man, I'm sorry, hey, Jake, is

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Speaker 10: that just his hair?

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Speaker 3: In general? I think every day?

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Speaker 1: Speaking of which, their letters from Thomas Jefferson in the

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Speaker 1: Ers collection, by the way, that you two can if

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Speaker 1: you say, yeah for real.

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Speaker 10: If we if we had a thirty dollars bill, John

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Speaker 10: Griffin would be on it.

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Speaker 1: You know. If there's a thirty dollars bill at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day at the ELM Porium, John Griffin

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Speaker 1: walks away, probably right, but yeah.

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Speaker 3: Hey there's Dave the King Wilson's in here.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, all right, John, shortly, all right, it's

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Speaker 1: a cast of characters at Elmporium. And John will be

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Speaker 1: there until six uh and we will be back with

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Speaker 1: you at noon tomorrow. I thank you for listening to

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Speaker 1: Querying Company.