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Speaker 1: But here's the thing. It is a newsday Tuesday, is

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Speaker 1: what it is. Because there is a lot going on

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Speaker 1: on this the opening week of the National Football League season,

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Speaker 1: with the Colts getting underway, obviously at Lucas Oil Stadium,

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Speaker 1: and there's plenty to unpack from that, including an area

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Speaker 1: that I thought was a strong suit for the Colts

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Speaker 1: that now I have concern about for the Colts, and

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Speaker 1: not concern in terms of the validity of personnel, but

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Speaker 1: rather just how well they might play with one another

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Speaker 1: and simply being an unknown entity or quantity. We'll get

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Speaker 1: into that a lot over the course of the show today.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, Stephen Hold, We're going to

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Speaker 1: join us in the one o'clock hour and we will

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Speaker 1: talk with Stevenholder of ESPN dot com about exactly that

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Speaker 1: there is big news in college football after Purdue rolls

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Speaker 1: ball State, Indiana gets a win over Old Dominion. I

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Speaker 1: think there were some question marks about Indiana. I thought

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame. I realize that there are probably a lot

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Speaker 1: of people that would look at that, especially if you're

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Speaker 1: game in Miami. I understand that sentiment for certain, but

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Speaker 1: I thought there was reason for optimism if you're a

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame fan. And I don't think that what took

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Speaker 1: place for Notre Dame, assuming that they have the year

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Speaker 1: that we anticipate them having. I don't know that that

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Speaker 1: position now where you got to tighten things up just

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Speaker 1: a little bit. We can get into that the Fever

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Speaker 1: Clark and that availability. Eddie Garrison is the other voice

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Speaker 1: you hear on this program. He of course, is the

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Speaker 1: pre and post game host for the Indiana Fever broadcast.

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Speaker 1: So Eddie, get me up to speed real quick in

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Speaker 1: a thirty second window on what the Fever week looks

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Speaker 1: like where they are and when we may or may

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Speaker 1: not see Caitlyn Clark.

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Speaker 2: No update on Caitlyn Clark Jake. Stephanie White was not

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Speaker 2: asked leading up to their game on a Sunday against

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Speaker 2: Golden State about her availability and her practice time, but

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Speaker 2: the Los Angeles Sparks on Friday night, So that's an

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Speaker 2: encouraging sign. The upcoming schedule for the Indiana Fever they

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Speaker 2: are in action tonight nine to forty five is went all,

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Speaker 2: have the pregame coverage against the Phoenix Mercury and Phoenix,

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Speaker 2: then the return home on Friday to take on the

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Speaker 2: Sky at seven point thirty, go back on the road

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Speaker 2: on Sunday at three o'clock to take on the Washington Mystics,

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Speaker 1: And of course, Stephanie White had told us that she

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Speaker 1: so that certainly puts that in question as well. Eddie,

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Speaker 1: your weekend in general was how.

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Speaker 2: It was pretty good. It was nice to have a

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Speaker 2: Fever game, by the way, on Sunday night was incredibly long, like, oh,

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Speaker 2: it was so brutal, two hours and thirty eight minutes.

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Speaker 2: They had clock issues, correct, multiple clock issues, like they

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Speaker 1: Those are Tossou's. Is that right? Yes, And it's a

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Speaker 1: fine watch. It is a fine watch. But they had

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Speaker 2: They had a power outage in the Golden State area

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Speaker 2: or I guess I forget where they play their games. Uh,

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Speaker 2: Saturday spent pretty much the entireday watching college football. Went

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Speaker 1: I thought both Clemson and LSU and Ohio State Texas

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Speaker 1: I think that when you look at and I don't

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Speaker 1: If you look at that Notre Dame Indiana playoff game

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Speaker 1: Powerball one point one billion, get your ticket now, I

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Speaker 1: buying scratch off tickets and he's re refinancing his house

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Speaker 1: But there's this line of people to buy powerball tickets

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Speaker 1: And then Eddie, did you buy a Powerball ticket?

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Speaker 1: impossible to know who's good and who's not.

433
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 2: It is we can sipopulate it, right, especially week one.

434
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 2: It's the hardest one to predict.

435
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 1: We can guess, but yes, like there's always and this

436
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 1: is one of the fun things that we're gonna do today.

437
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: Oh yay. There's always a team that it is thought

438
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 1: is going to be really good in the National Football

439
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: League season, where then you look back by the time

440
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 1: we get to when the weather's turning and it's November,

441
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: and you go, you know what, I don't think they're

442
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Speaker 1: any good.

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00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 2: That was the Cincinnati Bengals last year. Right, Yeah, that's

444
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 2: the that's a good one. Then there's another team that

445
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 2: you look back by the time about December rolls around

446
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 2: and you go, what a disaster. Two players got hurt,

447
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 2: they had a big fight, a coach got like in

448
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 2: a scandal, just everything. It has just been a year

449
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: to forget. That was the Colts, to be honest with

450
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, and the Jeff Saturday. Nothing

451
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 2: against Jeff Saturday. I'm just saying that for the reference

452
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 2: point when it was you know, they've got Matt Ryan

453
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Speaker 2: and you know this is all going to work out,

454
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 2: and then you just realize and before you know it,

455
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 2: you're going everything they're touching is going in the opposite direction.

456
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 2: And then there's the team that come October or November,

457
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Speaker 2: you go.

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Speaker 1: Are they good. I think they might be good. They're

459
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Speaker 1: six and three and if they win a game or

460
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: two here they I think they might be good. And

461
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 1: nobody thought they were going to be nobody, I mean

462
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 1: nobody was talking about him. Three teams, three categories. We

463
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: will go over each of those and try to predict

464
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Speaker 1: who each is going to be over the course of

465
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Speaker 1: today as well. But when we come back, Domino one

466
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: has fallen. And what does that mean for two, three

467
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: and four including one or two? That might be your

468
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: favorite driver in IndyCar I will let you know that.

469
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 1: And Steven Holder in thirty four minutes here on a

470
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: Tuesday that feels like a Monday quarrying company on the fan,

471
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: this is a great song, right. It's one of those

472
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: songs that even when you're like you hear it one

473
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 1: hundred thousand times and you're in a bar and during

474
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 1: the Big ten tournament and Michigan fans are there and

475
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: it comes on and they all sing it. But it's

476
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Speaker 1: impossible to not sing along, is it not?

477
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Speaker 2: For those of you on YouTube who don't know what

478
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Speaker 2: song it is, it's mister bright Side of the Killers.

479
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 2: But yes, I agree with you. It's a great song.

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Speaker 1: Will Power looks like it's going to be joining us

481
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Speaker 1: on the program on Thursday. Will Power. That's right, will

482
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Speaker 1: Power and will Power. Now, my suspicion is that he

483
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: will already be announced on Thursday for the following Colton Herda.

484
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: If you walk along the nickel Plate trail, which is

485
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: very cool, not unlike the monon. Now they're taking all

486
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: of these old railroad trails and they're turning them into

487
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: hiking and biking trails, and there is it's been there

488
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: for a while, I guess, but we just did it

489
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 1: not too long ago. From Carmel or excuse me, from

490
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: downtown Fishers and then south down to ninety sixth Street

491
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: the nickel Plate. And if you walk along that nickel

492
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: Plate the old State Fair train line. As you're walking along,

493
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: you see this huge complex to your right and the

494
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: fence that says future home of the Cadillac F one team.

495
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 1: And that Cadillac F one team is part of Andretti Global,

496
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: and there has long been speculation that the ultimate prize,

497
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: the ultimate vision for Colton HRDA is that he will

498
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: end up driving for that team or try to get

499
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: his way into Formula One, but to drive in Formula one,

500
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: you have to have what's called a super license, and

501
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 1: a super license is essentially the motorsport driver's license that

502
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: Formula one requires you to have in order to get

503
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: admission into Formula one, and right now there is not

504
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: like this reciprocity. If you will where driving an IndyCar

505
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: or a number of IndyCar races, events, championships, wins, whatever

506
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: it might be, qualifies you for a super license. There

507
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: are certain series that you have to have in order

508
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: to get that super license, and Colton Herda, in his

509
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: aspirations to get to Formula one and presumably to ultimately

510
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: drive for the Cadillac Handready Global team within Formula one,

511
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: would need his super license and that could come if

512
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: he were to drive in F two, which is essentially

513
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: the Triple A of Formula one. And it looks as

514
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: though it is a foregone conclusion that Colton Hurda is

515
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: going to leave Indy Car to go drive in F

516
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: two in order to get that super license. It's a

517
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: big risk, but one that if he in particular fields

518
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: that it solidly gets him an F one opportunity that

519
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: he would pursue. And I believe that is going to

520
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: happen by all account from people, and this may be

521
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: out there now officially. By now, I don't know, because

522
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: when we came on an hour ago, it had not

523
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Speaker 1: yet been publicly confirmed. But I talked to at least

524
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Speaker 1: two different people, if not, I'm trying to think of three,

525
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: but two off the top of my head for certain

526
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: in Nashville that would know. And then I've known a

527
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: long time that have said to me, yeah, I mean, look,

528
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: where there is smoke, there's fire. And this is a

529
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: rumor that had been out there forever that Colton hurda

530
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: was going to That.

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Speaker 2: Makes sense because I don't know if you pay attention

532
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 2: to f one at all, Jake, just because I know

533
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: you're so involved with Indy Car that sometimes it's hard

534
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: for you to pay attention. But Cadillac announced two pretty

535
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 2: much veteran drivers as drivers for next year in val

536
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 2: Thyi Botas, who's you know. He's certainly an older driver,

537
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,239
Speaker 2: which would make sense, and a possible guy that you know,

538
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 2: Colton hurd could replace once he has that super license.

539
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 2: And then Sergio Cheko Perez is the other driver for

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Speaker 2: Cadillac next year.

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Speaker 1: In Formula one. Yeah, so all indication is that Colton

542
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Speaker 1: Hurda gets piped into that pipeline. Okay, that would mean

543
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: that his job at Andreddi Global driving car number twenty six,

544
00:30:54,480 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: the Gamebridge machine, that that seat would be available. I

545
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: would be stunned. If that's not Willpower, that is going

546
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: to be Willpower. If will Power so choose us to

547
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: stay in the series, then that is his opportunity. That

548
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: is his ride. That seat is there for Willpower, and

549
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: Willpower will be driving that number twenty six car. Now

550
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: then we start getting into a whole list of dominoes here,

551
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: So follow along. Okay, will Power was previously driving the

552
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Speaker 1: number twelve Verizon car for Team Penske. That ride is

553
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: going to go to David Malucas. David Malucas, who was

554
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: a young driver who his father owns a large fleet

555
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: trucking company in the Chicago area and is very, very wealthy.

556
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: One would assume that that also has business partnerships with

557
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: Penske Trucking, but that is not the reason. We do

558
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: see a lot of drivers that get opportunity just because

559
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: they're bringing a big check with them. That would not

560
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: be the case with David Malucas. He is a flat

561
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: out young, promising talent that big teams have had their

562
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: eye on since the time that he was signed with

563
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: McLaren at the beginning of last season. But in the

564
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: off season he was involved in a bicycling accident, ironically

565
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: one that his father was like, hey, come on this

566
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: biking trip, and I don't know that he wanted to go,

567
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: but he was involved in an accident where he broke

568
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: his wrist. It caused him to miss the beginning of

569
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Speaker 1: the season. Thus he was in breach of contract with

570
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: Errow McLaren and was released out of his contract once

571
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: he was available to drive. He spent last year driving

572
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: for a couple of teams and then this year was

573
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: signed with aj Foyt and was teamed with Santino Ferrucci

574
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: and did an excellent job. Aj Foyt has a technical

575
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: alliance with Team Penske, so everybody just assumed that David

576
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: Malucas was put in that car as basically a we

577
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Speaker 1: have you under contract stand by to eventually go to

578
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: Team Penske. Malucas is going to end up driving that

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Speaker 1: number twelve car. Then you say, okay, what about the

580
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Speaker 1: number four where David Malucas now has left. That one

581
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: becomes interesting because a driver that Roger Penske I shouldn't

582
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: say Roger himself, but a driver that the team Penske

583
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: umbrella has had their eye on and had interest in,

584
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: but they just haven't had the right timing. Life's about timing.

585
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: Sometimes a driver that Penske would like to continue to

586
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: keep their eye on, and they believe in this driver's talent,

587
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: and they may utilize the opportunity to extend that partnership

588
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: with Foyd to put a driver in that number four

589
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: car and have him there kind of again on their

590
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: own retainer for if and when things open up. Is

591
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: Rena's VK and Rena's VK who's been driving for dale

592
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: coin this year is a driver with a lot of

593
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: I think, a lot of talent, a lot of promise.

594
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Speaker 1: I think this year in particular, he showed both of

595
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Speaker 1: those things, and dale Coin would love to have him.

596
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: And dale Coin now has achonsorship with a guy named

597
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: Todd Alt who runs ask Roi and bitnial and a

598
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: lot of cryptocurrency things, and Todd Alt has really pushed

599
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: in a partnership with dale Coin. But ironically, with coin

600
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: being the keyword here, they might not have enough of

601
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: it for Renis VK because Reenus VK wants to get

602
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 1: paid a decent not that they're able to pay him,

603
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: but not what Renus VK might be looking for. And

604
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 1: Penske umbrella or a foight contract those things could perhaps

605
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: accommodate Renis VK, but Foight Racing and Larry Foyt would

606
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: probably need help financially from another team with deep pockets

607
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: to be able to auxhilerate or what it is that

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00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: VK would be looking for. But VK is a strong

609
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: possibility for the fore car. Then you say, if VK

610
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: were to do that, what happens then with that car

611
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:57,479
Speaker 1: at dale Coin that could very possibly be any number

612
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 1: of different drivers. Ah Connor Daly is also in play

613
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: for that number four car if VK doesn't end up

614
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: in it, because Connor daily is able to bring money

615
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: from AMPM, who has been a good sponsor for him

616
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,439
Speaker 1: with who coas Haulinger Racing, and that might allow that money,

617
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: would allow Connor to shop himself around a little bit,

618
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: and Larry Foyt may be interested in that because of

619
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: that offsets, you know, some of the funding that would

620
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 1: be necessary for putting a driver in that four car.

621
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Speaker 1: But if VK were to leave, then Daily could perhaps

622
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: talk to dale Coin. In addition to that, you already

623
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Speaker 1: there is Dennis Hauger, who is the Indie Next Champion.

624
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: He could end up driving in that car for dale

625
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 1: Coin if he doesn't end up in a part time

626
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 1: role with Andretti Global, should they so choose to move

627
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: on from Marcus Erickson who is still under contract, and

628
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: those close to Ericson and close to the team will

629
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: tell you that Ericson's going nowhere, but there are rumblings

630
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 1: that he could be out, and if he is, Dennis

631
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: Hauger could end up in that particular seat. So things

632
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,439
Speaker 1: get a little bit dicey there when you start talking

633
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: about it. Then the final curveball on all of it

634
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: is Prema Racing, who had Robert Schwartzman, who won the

635
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: pole this year for the Indy five hundred. Robert Schwartzman

636
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: and Prema Racing. Prema spent a ton of money to

637
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: get into IndyCar, but they are not part of the

638
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: established teams that get financial kickback from being in the series,

639
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: So they may merge with Hunkas Hollinger and become Premahukos

640
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: Hollinger Racing and if they do that, they would bring

641
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: one car, presumably for Robert Schwartzman over to join that team,

642
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: and that could be the car that if Daily leaves,

643
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 1: they just become a two car team with Stingray, Rob

644
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: and Robert Schwartzman and Prema and hunkas Hollinger combined their

645
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: resources and forces together as a two car team. That

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Speaker 1: right now with the silly season, is where everything stands

647
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Speaker 1: a lot of moving parts, a lot of fluidity too.

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Speaker 3: That.

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Speaker 1: But I am very, very very confident on the part

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Speaker 1: of Power ending up at Andretti herd At ending up

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Speaker 1: at F two, Malucas ending up in Power's old ride,

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Speaker 1: and I'm forty percent confident that VK could end up

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Speaker 1: in that four car. But that's where finances have to

654
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Speaker 1: come into play, and that then becomes the domino that

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Speaker 1: has ripple effect. Beyond that, I.

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Speaker 2: Do have a question in regards to all of that. Okay, So, currently,

657
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Speaker 2: so Vik has it declined the option with dale Coin

658
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Speaker 2: Racing he is a free agent. Yes, dale Coin Honda

659
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Speaker 2: or Chevy Engine.

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Speaker 1: Dale Coin is a Honda.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I was asking that because you laid out

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Speaker 2: the possibility of Power going from a Chevy engine manufactured

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Speaker 2: team at Team BENSK to a Honda manufacturer team and

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Speaker 2: Andretti Global. Is that going to become more common because

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Speaker 2: I feel like we've seen a lot more of those

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Speaker 2: drivers switch manufacturers the last couple of years.

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Speaker 1: Great question, and a lot of times, Eddie, that is

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Speaker 1: related to if it is a driver who got their

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Speaker 1: start and were financially backed through the course of their

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Speaker 1: ranking by an engine manufacturer. Rossi, for example, was almost

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Speaker 1: exclusively a Honda guy forever. He's now in a Chevrolet.

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Speaker 1: So he got to the point where he was like, look,

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Speaker 1: I was loyal to them forever, and now I have

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to a new team, and so they just

675
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Speaker 1: simply parted ways. Sodo is very connected to Honda, for example,

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Speaker 1: but I don't believe that power. I don't believe any

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Speaker 1: of the drivers that I just mentioned have any sort

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Speaker 1: of direct conflict of interest by going from one engine

679
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Speaker 1: to the next. Now, the other curveball in all of this,

680
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Speaker 1: the other curveball in all of this is there are

681
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Speaker 1: rumblings I have not spoken to this guy specifically about this.

682
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Speaker 1: I like this guy a great deal, and I've had

683
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Speaker 1: a ton of conversation with him There are rumblings that

684
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Speaker 1: Joseph Nugarden may want to move on from Team Penske,

685
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Speaker 1: and that would change virtually everything. But I don't think

686
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Speaker 1: it's going to happen in this offseason, as in move

687
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Speaker 1: on from like to a team and stuff to another

688
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 1: team or retire to another team, okay, to another team

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Speaker 1: and he would stay within Chevy. Do you think that's

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Speaker 1: in the car through Power to potentially retire. I don't

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Speaker 1: think it can be ruled out because of his age

692
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Speaker 1: and because of his family situation, but I think he

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Speaker 1: would like to return, and I think he's gonna end

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Speaker 1: up with and hurt his car. But yeah, if her

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Speaker 1: Toa ends up staying put, then that probably changes things

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Speaker 1: for Power and then maybe he just goes into one

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Speaker 1: off situations. But I think he's going to end up

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Speaker 1: next year full time, and I think it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: with andready. But again, good good question because if Hurda

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Speaker 1: now is the Domino also but I am fully expecting

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Speaker 1: that we hear that Hurda is going to Formula two.

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Speaker 1: And then in.

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Speaker 2: Conclusion, here are there any drivers that you can see

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Speaker 2: that we're out of the series making return back?

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Speaker 1: Okay, another great question. Roman grows on would absolutely be

706
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Speaker 1: one of them that's trying to bring money. He could

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Speaker 1: end up in say that that premise situation if they

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Speaker 1: end up wanting or needing another car or Schwartzman moves.

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Speaker 2: On because he's had time with Hukas Hollinger, right, so

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Speaker 2: if they do merge, I mean there's that relationship.

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Speaker 1: Rojan Roman Grojean is one that I could see getting

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Speaker 1: back in the series, and he would like to do so.

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Speaker 1: And Catherine leg is one that I could see at

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Speaker 1: least on a limited basis, being back in as well.

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Speaker 1: We come back to the three teams in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: which one's going to surprise us, which one is surprisingly

717
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Speaker 1: not going to be good at all, and which one's

718
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Speaker 1: year is going to be a disaster. We'll get into that,

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Speaker 1: and Holder joins us in fifteen. There is an area

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Speaker 1: for the Colts that gives me concern, gives me pause.

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Speaker 1: I'll get into that with Steven Holder when he joins

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Speaker 1: us here coming up top of the hour. Before then, Eddie,

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Speaker 1: let's get into this for the National Football League, I

724
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Speaker 1: mentioned it. There are seemingly every year there are three teams.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there could be more, but there are three categories.

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Speaker 1: For the most part, we have a pretty good idea.

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Speaker 1: I think you knew last year going into the season

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Speaker 1: that Kansas City was going to be really good. You

729
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Speaker 1: knew going into the season that Buffalo was going to

730
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Speaker 1: be really good. Yeah, you knew that Philadelphia was going

731
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Speaker 1: to be an upper echelon team.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I can't recall who did Philly beat in the

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Speaker 1: NFC title game. That would be the Washington Commanders.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: They were a bit of a surprise, right because James Daniels,

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Speaker 1: you know, you weren't certainly sure what he was going

738
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Speaker 1: to do. So Washington might fit into this one of

739
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Speaker 1: these categories. And you can always text us, by the way,

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Speaker 1: at two three nine ten seventy. You can text me personally,

741
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: which most people have my number, but if you want

742
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Speaker 1: to text the show, the show text line is two

743
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Speaker 1: three nine one zero seven zero. That's two nine, ten seventy.

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Speaker 1: And and participate as well with these three groups. Group

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Speaker 1: number one, Eddie, Okay, where we're going. This year's Washington Commanders,

746
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: this year's team that you don't hear a lot of

747
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: talk about. There's no reason to necessarily pencil them as

748
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: a pencil them in as a playoff team. But is

749
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Speaker 1: there is there a team that you look at and go,

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Speaker 1: you know what, these guys are going to be. These

751
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 1: guys are going to be better than people think and

752
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: come Halloween time you're going to be saying, wait a minute,

753
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: are they good?

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Speaker 2: So, whenever I do this exercise with you, Jake, there's

755
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Speaker 2: two things I always think about.

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Speaker 1: One, what does the schedule look like for said team? Two?

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Speaker 2: What division do they play in? And that is where

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Speaker 2: and how I landed on the New England Patriots. They

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Speaker 2: have a very, very very favorable schedule. It's one of

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Speaker 2: the easiest schedules in all the NFL. Drake May entering

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Speaker 2: year two. You bring in a coach that a lot

762
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Speaker 2: of people wanted, and now you add some pieces around

763
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Speaker 2: Drake may offensively, maybe Mike Rabel can get that team

764
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Speaker 2: playing well defensively, and Drake may play solid enough in

765
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Speaker 2: year number two after playing really well down the stretch

766
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Speaker 2: in the New England Patriots are one of those teams

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Speaker 2: that you see on the CBS or the Fox or

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Speaker 2: the NBC or the prime videographic toward the end of

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00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 2: the year playoff picture on the bubble. New England Patriots okay.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, their old coach last night had

771
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Speaker 1: a rough go oh yes, I was so hoping that

772
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Speaker 1: TCU last night would get a touchdown and then another

773
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Speaker 1: one in a two point conversion, so that at the

774
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Speaker 1: end of the game you could say that the point

775
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Speaker 1: differential was forty nine the age difference between That's right

776
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: Belichick and his girlfriend. Yeah, okay, my team. I've mentioned

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Speaker 1: this before. I think the Raiders are going to be

778
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: better than people think. See, my only hold up with

779
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: them was the division. That's fair, But I like Pete

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00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: Carroll and you know, maybe I'm going off of like

781
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: ten year ago Pete Carroll, right, but I think Geno

782
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: Smith is decent. Seemingly they've they've made a one would

783
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Speaker 1: think they've had like good draft picks. I mean, they've

784
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Speaker 1: had enough high draft picks. But I'm gonna say the Raiders.

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00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: I just have this feeling about the Raiders. Now, the

786
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: Raiders to watch. They're going to go four and thirteen.

787
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Speaker 1: But I'll say the Raiders of the team that like

788
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: in late October were like, you know what, are they good? Okay? Now,

789
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: of the teams that there is much expected, give me

790
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Speaker 1: the one that by October November, we're going to go.

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00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to take off for them.

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Speaker 4: Here.

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Speaker 1: The Dallas Cowboys, well, is anybody really expecting them to

794
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: be good?

795
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 4: Though?

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Speaker 1: Well, they're the.

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Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys, Jake. They everyone always thinks they're They're.

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Speaker 1: Take Dallas off the board because Dallas' entire moo is

799
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: being underachieving. I don't disagree with you, but let's take

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Speaker 1: doubt because that's such an easy answer.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: What about the Houston Texans? Okay, fair, fair? Because I

803
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: think a lot of people look at Houston and say

804
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: they're going to win the division? Right.

805
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 2: I think anyone you ask you, they're like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's Houston's division.

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00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: Is it? I mean? CJ.

808
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: Stroud has a new offensive coordinator, he's got three new

809
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 2: wide receivers outside of Nicle Collins who can't stay healthy.

810
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 2: Joe Mixon's hurt. You bring in a Nick Chubb who

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00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: looked awful last year. They have major concerns at the

812
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 2: offensive line level. Their defense was good, but can it

813
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 2: be great to get them to wins? Like, there's a

814
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 2: lot of question marks around Houston that people don't think about.

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00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair, Houston's a good call, is it? Too easy

816
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: because I'm springboarding two back, I'm only going off of

817
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: one year, and maybe this is actually more who they

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00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: are for me to say Washington. I don't think that's

819
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: the rown possibility, but I think Jane Dennel's is that dude.

820
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: So he is really good. He is very good, there's

821
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: no doubt, and I like him and I like that team.

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Speaker 1: But as I think, okay, how about this, Now you

823
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: ready to really think I'm crazy. I always think you're crazy.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, Philadelphia. Oh, now, I'm gonna say Philly for

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00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: my last category, so I'll say Washington. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: double dip on the NFC Easter, I'll say Washington for

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Speaker 1: that group. Now, how about this one? Okay, okay, the

828
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: team that seemingly has everything there, but just everything goes awry,

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Speaker 1: a couple of key guys get hurt, there's question about

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Speaker 1: the coach, or there's some sort of a controversy internally

831
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Speaker 1: of rumors that people not getting along, et cetera. And

832
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: before you know it, you're like, this is just a

833
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: year spun out of control that will someday be a

834
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: thirty for thirty, but it just didn't gonna happen for

835
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: him this year, I think we all know who this

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Speaker 1: team is. I'm saying the Philadelphia Eagles out the Pittsburgh Steelers. Boy,

837
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Speaker 1: that's a that's a really good call because they've got

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Speaker 1: the human turmoil.

839
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Speaker 2: Right Yeah, they got Aaron Rodgers and you got the

840
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 2: whole non losing seasons where Mike Tomlin is that in Jeopardy.

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00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 2: You add DK Metcalf into that equation and it's like

842
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: a mad scientist. That's I've always thought Belichick was the

843
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: mad scientist.

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Speaker 1: Right Yeah, Hey Jake, how about the Detroit Lions back

845
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: down to Earth? They lost both coordinators? Also interesting? Greg

846
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: Pully says Bengals. Does he mean that he thinks the

847
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: Bengals are going to take a big step forward or

848
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: they're going to take a big step back because they

849
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:49,959
Speaker 1: had they had a rough year last year.

850
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 2: Right, They did have a very rough year, and I

851
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 2: think their defense might be even worse this year, which

852
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 2: is saying something.

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00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: I just you know, the Lions is interesting because I

854
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: do like their head coach, but when you lose coordinators

855
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: like that, it is tough. There's no doubt. We could

856
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 1: ask Holder his thoughts. What do you think I'm gonna

857
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: ask Holder? For each of those three. Do you think

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00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: he will duplicate any of our answers?

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00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good question. Oh, I think he'll duplicate one.

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Speaker 2: I don't know which one, but I think he'll do.

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00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: You think he'll duplicate. So I'm gonna go, so my three,

862
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: my final three answers. Here year that just seems to

863
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: nothing goes right. I'm gonna go Eagles, team that takes

864
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: a step back and just kind of surprises you in

865
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: doing so. I'll say Washington and team that has a

866
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: better year than anticipated. I will say Raiders. And you

867
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: are saying, in that order, the team that has the

868
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: disastrous year, You're saying Pittsburgh, the team that takes the unaccepted,

869
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: unexpected step back, you said Houston, And team that takes

870
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: a surprising step forward. You're saying New England, Right, yes,

871
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 1: all right. Stephen Holder writes for ESPN joins us next

872
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 1: on a Tuesday that feels like a Monday, we are

873
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: that much closer to the Colts season getting underway, the

874
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins coming to Lucas Oil Stadium. That game, of course,

875
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: you can hear on this radio station coming up on Sunday,

876
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: A one o'clock kick from Lucas Oil. Joining us now

877
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: on the always busy and Available for your company to

878
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: sponsor guest line from ESPN dot com as Stephenholder. Stephen.

879
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: Before we get into the colts, I'm going to invite

880
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: you into the conversation that Eddie and I were just having.

881
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: And despite the fact you're in your car, I'm well

882
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: aware of the fact that you didn't hear it. So

883
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: I am going to present to you three categories in

884
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: the NFL, and I want you to think for a

885
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: second and then give me your answer on each category,

886
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: and we're going to see if you match wits with

887
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: either Eddie or myself. Okay, Category one, I want you

888
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: to tell me, in the twenty twenty six NFL season,

889
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: give me the team that relatively off radar that you

890
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: don't hear a lot about. There's not a lot of expectation.

891
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: It's not like there are people penciling them in as

892
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: a postseason team. But around October, late October into November,

893
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 1: we're gonna go are they good? They're like six and

894
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: three and kind of haven't talked about them, but I

895
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: think they might be good. This was last year's Washington

896
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 1: Commanders for example, give me that team this year.

897
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 5: All right, well, you confused when you said twenty six

898
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 5: at first, you mean this year.

899
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I always say twenty I always go with

900
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: the year that what it is at the end of

901
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: the season. My apologies. The twenty five season, Yes.

902
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 5: Gotcha, this is a good question. I think there's a

903
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 5: chance it's the Chicago Bears. Okay, I think they're gonna

904
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 5: be as good as Washington. Okay, I understood.

905
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: But a team that but a team that proves itself

906
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: far more competent, right, Okay, Okay, Now, now we're going

907
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: to go the opposite of that. Give me a team

908
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: that gets some chatter, gets a little love, is penciled

909
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: in by a lot of people as a postseason contender

910
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: that all of a sudden in late October, around Halloween,

911
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: we're going to go. I don't think this is going

912
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: to happen for these guys. They're just not very good.

913
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 5: Okay, So this I'm going on a little bit on

914
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 5: the limb here. But I've been saying for a while

915
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 5: that I think the Dolphins window to do something big

916
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 5: has closed.

917
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: Okay, and they've lost a.

918
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 4: Lot of guys.

919
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 5: Anyway, I don't know if you want me to justify it,

920
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 5: explain it. But the Dolphins are a team that I

921
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 5: think are sneaky disappointment.

922
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: Okay, then the last group is the team that and

923
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: you get this every once in a while, maybe not

924
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 1: even I'm not saying organizationally like that it's an indictment

925
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: on them. But there are certain teams that each year

926
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: there's one team that literally just every door they try

927
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: to turn the doorknob on is locked, nothing works. There's

928
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: there's rumors of inner turmoil. Nobody can know what's going on.

929
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 1: Two key players got hurt, somebody else is holding out,

930
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: somebody else allegedly got in a fight, and it's like

931
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,439
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, before you know it, Jeff

932
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 1: Saturdays Air dropped in as your head coach, and your

933
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: practice squad quarterback is quarterbacking you, and what the hell

934
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:26,919
Speaker 1: is going on? That team is who?

935
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 5: I mean, I gotta believe you just described like the

936
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 5: last twenty years of the Dallas Cowboys.

937
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, I actually I actually told Eddie Dallas has

938
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: to be off the board for this because literally it's

939
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: like that they are the obviously it'swer right.

940
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you what though, one team. I gotta say,

941
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 5: one team that I don't know what the hell they're

942
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 5: doing and where they're going is New Orleans. There are

943
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 5: certainly a rebuilding team, so no one expects them to

944
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 5: be good. But their head coach hired. He was like, huh.

945
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 5: And then the quarterback choices also huh. I mean looks

946
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 5: as they're starting at quarterback. Spencer Ratler won the quarterback battle.

947
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 5: Spencer Ratler's good. You know, so I don't know what

948
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 5: are you hanging your hat on if you're in New

949
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 5: Orleans is what I'd say.

950
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: Okay, fair, I had let's see for my surprisingly good,

951
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: I went with the Raiders. For the team that I

952
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: think may fall short of expectation, I went with the Commanders.

953
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: And for I just feel like there could be disaster

954
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: and turmoil and inter fighting, et cetera, I went with

955
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles. Man Eddie went with surprisingly good. He

956
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: said the who did you say? For that one?

957
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 4: Eddie?

958
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: I said the New England Patriot England Patriots, Surprisingly disappointing,

959
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: he said the Houston Texans. And for turmoil, Eddie might

960
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: have won this one automatically because he said the Pittsburgh Steelers.

961
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: And when you have the Aaron Rodgers effect. That seems

962
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: to be a very all right.

963
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 5: Why didn't I think of that? Right exactly, No, that's

964
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 5: a great call. I actually, who was the surprisingly bad.

965
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:14,240
Speaker 1: Team for me? I said, the Washington Commanders. Eddie said,

966
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: the Houston Texans.

967
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 5: Okay, so that's an interesting one, because I think the

968
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 5: Texans were surprisingly bad last year. Frankly, they just happened

969
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,439
Speaker 5: to be in the same division as the Colts, who

970
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 5: couldn't take advantage of it. So it worked out well

971
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 5: for him. But they were not a good team last year.

972
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: Okay, Steven, let's shift to the Colts. Let me tell

973
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: you the one area that as I was looking over

974
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: things for me, became a little bit of a concern.

975
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why. I like the experience they

976
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: have at corner. And I will give Chris Ballard credit

977
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,479
Speaker 1: because when we were all jumping up and down saying

978
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: they didn't address corner, he said, look, let me just

979
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: see these guys play and find out where they are.

980
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: Now that we've done that, I think they have good players.

981
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,240
Speaker 1: But Jalen Ownes has hurt Juju Brents. Obviously they couldn't

982
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 1: wait any longer for him. To get healthy and he's

983
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: now in Miami. My area of concern is this, and

984
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: then you tell me how off base it is. I

985
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: think they have good players at corner, but they have

986
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: two guys that are in rotation at corner that weren't

987
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: even on the roster at the time that they all

988
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: got together originally in Grand Park, and I think that

989
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: it might be a little late to all of a

990
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: sudden expect them to kind of gel together as a

991
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: unit even though you're playing on opposite sides of the football,

992
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: and that, to me, the defensive backfield again feels like

993
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: it could be an achilles for this team. Your thoughts, Well,

994
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: it's funny, you know.

995
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 5: We just got done talking to defensive coordinator lou Anarumo

996
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 5: and there were a few questions, I would say, including

997
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 5: from me about Xavier and Howard. He By the way,

998
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 5: if you look at today's depth chart that they put

999
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 5: out for week one, it's a projected depth chart. It's

1000
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 5: not the coaches, but it's the organization's public depth chart.

1001
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 5: Xavier Award is still number one at one of the

1002
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 5: cornerback spots, along with a Shavari Award and Kenny Moore.

1003
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 5: The second in the slot, And I'm sorry, but that's

1004
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 5: a lot for me to digest when I think two

1005
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 5: weeks ago this guy was doing the same thing as

1006
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 5: me over the weekend, sitting on his couch.

1007
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 4: Right.

1008
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 5: So look, he has he's a proven player and a

1009
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 5: highly successful player if you look at his resume. But

1010
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 5: I think it's a lot to assume that a guy

1011
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 5: sitting on his couch all last year, okay, no one

1012
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 5: signed him last year is going to come in in

1013
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 5: August and be your starting corner.

1014
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 4: And we even.

1015
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 5: Asked lou An Rumo, are you serious or is this

1016
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,439
Speaker 5: guy really capable of coming in, walking off the street

1017
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 5: and playing starters reps. He didn't say yes or no,

1018
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 5: but he certainly didn't didn't get the indication that he

1019
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 5: has any doubts about him. So there is a real

1020
00:56:56,200 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 5: sense of reliance from an ARUMO about how in particular.

1021
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 5: And I'm curious to see how this plays out because

1022
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 5: they're going to get a hell of a test week

1023
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,280
Speaker 5: one with Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle of the Miami Dolphins,

1024
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 5: so they're not They're not going to be able to

1025
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 5: ease into this at all.

1026
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,439
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you a name, Steven I want

1027
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: you to tell me how they how this player is

1028
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: relevant to this year's Colts team. Are you ready? I'm

1029
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: putting you on the spot. I realize Terrell Prior, Oh, I.

1030
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 4: Think I know where you're going with this.

1031
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 5: Uh was he not the quarterback of the last team

1032
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 5: the Colts a week one week one game?

1033
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: That is correct? He was the last opposing quarterback in

1034
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: a Colts season opening victory. It's been that long now.

1035
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 4: That was two thousand and thirteen.

1036
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: I believe, yes, it's been well. And here's the thing.

1037
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: They have not lost eleven straight years because there was

1038
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: a tie in there, but not one and eleven straight years.

1039
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 4: In a way, here's well, here's what's so crazy about that.

1040
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 5: If that was thirteen, which I think it was, that

1041
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 5: was my first regular season Colts game as a reporter

1042
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 5: in this market. Okay, I got here and my daughter

1043
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 5: was in preschool, she even eleventh grade.

1044
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 4: Now, like, if that's put it into perspective.

1045
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: It does, right, I mean continue, Okay, in certain years

1046
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: you can get off to maybe even ah. You know,

1047
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: there's obviously all those statistics that come out about what

1048
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: your odds are of the postseason after an oh and

1049
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: two start, zero and three, et cetera. When you look

1050
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: at the Colt schedule, because you are to me and

1051
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: you tell me if I'm overthinking this, I know that

1052
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: if you go into any NFL locker room, they always

1053
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: have the schedule up on the wall for the players

1054
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: and they break it down into quarters. Just got to

1055
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: go two and one in this quarter, three and one

1056
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,439
Speaker 1: in this quarter, four and oh in this quarter, whatever, right,

1057
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: And they always say divisional games count double. I get it.

1058
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: These feel like the opening two games when you look

1059
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: at the fact that you are starting out with Miami

1060
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: and Denver at home. These are two teams that theoretically

1061
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: are going to be right there in the same lane

1062
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: as the Colts, trying to merge over into the left

1063
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: lane of traffic in late November early December to put

1064
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: themselves in position. These to me, are two games to

1065
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: open up the season that are basically divisional games because

1066
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: they are wildcard contending teams, two teams that are going

1067
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: to be right there. Miami Buffalo should win that division.

1068
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: Denver Kansas City should win that division, but they are

1069
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: going to be fighting tooth the nail for a wild card,

1070
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: and the Colts would like to be in that same situation,

1071
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: is their over emphasis on these two opening games versus

1072
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: other seasons.

1073
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 5: I don't know that there's over emphasis from the organization,

1074
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Speaker 5: but I don't think you're you're description is wrong at all.

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Speaker 5: I think let me just look at last year. Who

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01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 5: were the Colts fighting for late in the season, particularly

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Speaker 5: in the head to head matchup late in the season

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Speaker 5: when it came to the wildcard race. You know, when

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Speaker 5: they were still in it at least it was Denver

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01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 5: a right, it was Denver. So Miami was kind of

1081
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 5: kind of floundering, kind of trying to figure it out,

1082
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 5: but you know, they were there at one point or

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01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 5: in the mix at one point. I wholeheartedly agree. There's

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Speaker 5: actually another element that you didn't mention, but you're on

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01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 5: the right track, and that is so AFC record, their

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01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 5: conference record in certain tiebreaking instances is one of the tiebreakers.

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Speaker 5: So that's something you have to bring into play as well.

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Speaker 5: So I agree with you, the wholeheartedly agree tiebreaker considerations,

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Speaker 5: wildcard standings in terms of the wild card race, no

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01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 5: question about it, These are gonna matter a lot. And

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Speaker 5: then obviously another AFC opponent in Week three as well.

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Speaker 1: Steven Holder is our guest from ESPN dot com. All right, Stephen,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the qurt. Look, we're all the quarterback

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Speaker 1: talk and conversation. We've gone over that one hundred times. Okay, right,

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Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, but I'm not going to

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01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: ask specifically about the quarterback situation. But we haven't talked

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Speaker 1: to you since this time, and so I want your

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01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: perspective on this. I was not in the room, you know.

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Speaker 1: I was here and was listening to it when Chris

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Speaker 1: Ballard held his press conference, and I know that he

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Speaker 1: was not happy about the number of questions about the

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Speaker 1: quarterback situation to begin the press conference. I say this

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01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: only because we're all trying to get temperate, we're all

1104
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: trying to get feel for where just the solidarity of

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01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: the franchise. I thought Ballard, who at times can be sarcastic,

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01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: at times, can be edgy. I thought he was overly

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Speaker 1: both in that press conference and actually came bought, came

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01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: off almost like i'll use combative for lack of better phrase.

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Speaker 1: But even though he was trying to preach confidence in

1110
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: his position or whatever else may be, I thought he

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01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 1: came off completely the opposite of that. But I wasn't

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Speaker 1: in the room your thoughts.

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Speaker 5: So I would agree that he was more combat more

1114
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 5: combative than usual. You know, look, there was I got

1115
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 5: a lot of tweets from people reaction from people who

1116
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 5: were saying, man, you know he was he was really

1117
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 5: hard on you and James Boyd and and it may

1118
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 5: I would just say, for the record, like he did

1119
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 5: kind of snap at me, but I laughed at him

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Speaker 5: when he did it, because I have that kind of

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01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 5: relationship with Chris Pallant and to his credit, this is

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Speaker 5: probably TMI. To his credit, five minutes later, I got

1123
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 5: a text message from and say, hey, my bad, I

1124
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 5: just got caught up in a moment.

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Speaker 4: So all right, fine.

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Speaker 5: However, I would say this, I don't disagree that he

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01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 5: death only was standing his ground on this principle that

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Speaker 5: that that they were not in the wrong and they

1129
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 5: have you know, handled the quarterback situation, you know, largely appropriately.

1130
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Speaker 4: I mean, he didn't say it in those words.

1131
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 5: But but that was kind of the the.

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Speaker 4: The effect of his words. Right.

1133
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Speaker 5: So here's why I bring that up, because I think

1134
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 5: that's important because now this kind of has to work

1135
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 5: or they or he has a lot of egg on

1136
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 5: the space. You know because he did kind of really

1137
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 5: I think, biggest toes in, you know, the biggest heels

1138
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 5: in a little bit there, and as if as if

1139
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 5: the questions were maybe not appropriate, well, they're absolutely appropriate

1140
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 5: for sure.

1141
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 4: And I told him that.

1142
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 5: I said, look, we're asking you a lot of questions

1143
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 5: because the fans have a lot of questions. Man, that's

1144
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 5: how this works. And I think that is absolutely true

1145
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 5: because all of our coverage, yours mind, all of our

1146
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 5: coverage of the quarterback situation has been at top of

1147
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 5: mind for everyone, and he is obviously one of the

1148
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 5: major parties in terms of decision maker. So they were obvious.

1149
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 5: It was obvious that he was going to get those questions.

1150
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,439
Speaker 5: He got tired of it and got a little exasperated,

1151
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 5: but that's the job, man, you know, that is what

1152
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 5: it is. Well, so I think it's fine, But no

1153
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 5: one's Matt, I'm not mad, no one's offended or anything.

1154
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 5: But just this big a claire like you, you kind

1155
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 5: of dug your heels in there, and let's just hope

1156
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 5: he's right about Daniel Jones.

1157
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: Steven, I'm a classic overthinker. You've sat next to me

1158
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: enough Pacer games to know this, right, so I want

1159
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 1: you to tell me if I'm overthinking this. I understand

1160
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: all of that, and I'm not trying to make anything.

1161
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 1: You know, this is not neurosurgery here, right, I mean,

1162
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 1: like nobody's going to die. I get all of that,

1163
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: and I can appreciate. And I know that you have

1164
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: a relationship with Chris Ballard. I mean, you know, I

1165
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 1: know that I can appreciate that he would send you

1166
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: a text afterwards saying, hey, I apologize, I got caught

1167
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: up in a moment, and that's cool. Actually, I mean,

1168
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: I commend him for that. But at the same time,

1169
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: at the same time, if you are an NFL executive

1170
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: who has paid millions of dollars to make critical decisions,

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01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: then at the very least, I would expect you to

1172
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 1: have a better clarity of thought when pressure is on

1173
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: or in the moment. Am I too harsh there?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 5: I mean I think I think that he himself wishes

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01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 5: that he had.

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying is if he's not if he's impulsive

1178
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 1: over something as insane as Stephen or as innocuous as

1179
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: Stephen Holder asking a repeated question in a press conference,

1180
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Speaker 1: if he's impulsive in that moment without thinking it through

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01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 1: and then has retroactively looks back and says, I wish

1182
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 1: I could have handled that differently than what's he doing

1183
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: when there's a minute and a half left on the

1184
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: draft clock and he's got to make a decision or

1185
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: when you see what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: Right, I will say one of the remarkable things about

1187
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 5: Chris Ballard because his personality that I think what you

1188
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 5: saw in that press conference and heard in that press conference,

1189
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 5: that is Chris Ballard's Okay, that is the the big

1190
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 5: talking South Texas you know, guy who who doesn't mince words. Right,

1191
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 5: you are a product of where you come from, who

1192
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 5: you were raised by all that, right that that's fine,

1193
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 5: That's what makes us who we are.

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Speaker 4: So that is Chris Balard. That is that That is

1195
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 4: the Chris Ballard that we all know. I think you

1196
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 4: know behind closed doors.

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Speaker 5: And I don't mean like you know we're sitting there

1198
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 5: having it out and arguing. I'm saying, like he's he's

1199
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 5: gonna tell you what he thinks. I appreciate that, to

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01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 5: be honest. However, Uh, the one of the remarkable things

1201
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 5: about him, and I don't know how he does it,

1202
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 5: is that he does balance that somehow with an ability

1203
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 5: to be measured and to be you know, sort of

1204
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 5: have a cooler head and not overreact and not be

1205
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 5: reactive or overly reactive to situations. Maybe too much so,

1206
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 5: to be honest with you, because I think there are

1207
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 5: a lot of Colts fans maybe wish that he made

1208
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 5: some more aggressive moves over the years to maybe get

1209
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 5: him out of the situation they've been in, this rut

1210
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 5: that they've been in. But anyway, I'm probably over analyzing

1211
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 5: it myself now, but I do think he does strike

1212
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 5: a good balance there. But that was a very interesting

1213
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 5: little window into how he can sometimes be yes.

1214
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: Again in defensive Chris Ballard, that personality that you know,

1215
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 1: that all of it right, that that spitfire when you're winning,

1216
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:39,959
Speaker 1: it's awesome. Which better win? And if you are exactly right,

1217
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 1: you're going into year nine and you're showing that kind

1218
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, and I'm not I'm just

1219
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 1: gonna repeat what I've said before, Steven. I've sat in

1220
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 1: press conferences for Bill Tobin, Bill Polly, and Ryan Grigson,

1221
01:07:54,520 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: Chris Ballard, Larry Bird, Donnie Walsh, Kevin Pritchard, and that

1222
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: to me just showed an edge that those other guys

1223
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 1: didn't have, and most of those guys won with more frequency.

1224
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 1: But I don't dislike him, and I hear he's a

1225
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 1: very good guy for what that's worth, you know what

1226
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 1: I mean. But now, having said all that, give me

1227
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 1: a player or players, or maybe position group not at quarterback,

1228
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: not named Daniel Jones, that the Colts have a lot

1229
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 1: riding on and that that guy. Nobody talks about it,

1230
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: but it is a position that the way this team

1231
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 1: is built and the way that they schematically want to

1232
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 1: play a lot rides on this guy having a big

1233
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 1: year go.

1234
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 4: Sense of line.

1235
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:47,600
Speaker 5: So it's not a guy, but maybe I think you

1236
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 5: said a guy or a unit, I would say the

1237
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 5: offensive line, And I'll tell you why, because we have

1238
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 5: kind of rubber stamps, or maybe the fans have. I haven't,

1239
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 5: but we've kind of rubber stamped that this group is

1240
01:08:59,479 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 5: going to work.

1241
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 4: Right.

1242
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 5: You have two new starters, you have a new group

1243
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 5: working in tandem together.

1244
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 4: Which is critical. Right.

1245
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 5: They have to prove that they can do that. And

1246
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 5: I thought I saw in the preseason, I saw some

1247
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:16,719
Speaker 5: moments that were of some concern, and so I want

1248
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 5: to see how this group plays together. You know, when

1249
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 5: they're getting blitzed, you know, with fire blitzes and and

1250
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 5: all these different tactics that you're going to see. I

1251
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 5: want to see what that looks like and how they

1252
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 5: react under pressure. You know, you always hope it only

1253
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 5: takes one week link for that thing to start breaking down.

1254
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 5: So you've got two young guys have got to step

1255
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 5: up to the challenge. I don't I'm not pessimistic about

1256
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,639
Speaker 5: them at all. Okay, I'm not. I actually think they

1257
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 5: have a talented group.

1258
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 4: But you still got to prove it, Okay.

1259
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 5: And the reason this matters so much is not just

1260
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 5: because of the quarterback, which is obvious, but also because

1261
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 5: Jonathan Taylor is at the center of everything they want

1262
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 5: to do this year. If they don't have Jonathan Taylor,

1263
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 5: they maybe have a different quarterback decision.

1264
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 4: Okay.

1265
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 5: Jonathan Taylor from people I've talked to, is really at

1266
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 5: the core of a lot of what they want to

1267
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:13,759
Speaker 5: do this year. A lot of it is just like, well,

1268
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 5: if everything else feels, we got Jonathan Taylor, so we

1269
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 5: just got to be in the right play and we

1270
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 5: got to be in the right manageable situations, not have

1271
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:25,680
Speaker 5: long balance and distance and so forth, because Taylor can

1272
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:26,679
Speaker 5: win games for us.

1273
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 1: And then, so I'm going to take this back to quarterback.

1274
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 1: Have they gone with a quarterback that can be a

1275
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,799
Speaker 1: quote unquote game manager because they have a dynamic running

1276
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 1: back behind them, or have they gone with a running

1277
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 1: back there are going to make dynamic because their quarterback

1278
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 1: is a game manager.

1279
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:45,719
Speaker 5: No, I think it's the former and not the latter.

1280
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 5: And I would expand that to say, I think this

1281
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 5: is as much a bet on Jonathan Taylor and the

1282
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:56,679
Speaker 5: skill players, the other skill players.

1283
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 4: You know, the three wide.

1284
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 5: Receivers who each exceeded eight hundred yards last year. So

1285
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 5: that's a group that whose sum is.

1286
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:04,719
Speaker 4: Greater than its parts.

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Speaker 5: I would say, right, they're not individually based, they are collective,

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01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 5: but it's a good group collectively.

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Speaker 4: And then obviously Tyler Warren.

1290
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Speaker 5: It's a bet on all of those guys, I think

1291
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 5: far more than it's a bet on Daniel Jones, because

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01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 5: let's be honest.

1293
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:21,720
Speaker 4: I mean, they might like.

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01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 5: Daniel Jones, but are you staking your season on Daniel Jones.

1295
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 5: They're staking the season on Daniel Jones getting the best

1296
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 5: out of those guys, as opposed to Daniel Jones.

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01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 4: Winning them games.

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01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 5: That's how I see it, and that's how I interpret

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01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 5: it based on people I've post too.

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01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 1: Since we are talking right now on this the week

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01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 1: of the NFL season getting underway, and if Steven Holder

1302
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 1: you at ESPN, prohibits you from answering this question, I

1303
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: certainly understand and respect it, and I'm giving you the

1304
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 1: opportunity to defer. Okay, but on this the second of

1305
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:03,879
Speaker 1: September twenty twenty five, I would like Steven Holder's prediction

1306
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 1: just for the fun of it, of who the super

1307
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,759
Speaker 1: Bowl matchup will be and who is the super Bowl winner.

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01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 5: Well, actually I made this prediction for ESPNY. I don't

1309
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 5: think it's been published yet, but I mean we all do,

1310
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 5: so it's not not any big deal. What did I

1311
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 5: pick so that I am consistent? I think I went with.

1312
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 1: Clearly, because clearly when you stand very strongly by.

1313
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 5: Yes, exactly, I'm taking everything on this clearly. I don't

1314
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:38,640
Speaker 5: even remember it. I believe my pick was the Chiefs

1315
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 5: and to win it. And did you ask me also,

1316
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 5: who is going to be in the super Bowl?

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01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 1: Yes, they will be defeating who.

1318
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 5: I believe I picked. I believe it's Philadelphia, So I

1319
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,680
Speaker 5: think it went with a rematch. I mean, Philly's just

1320
01:12:54,680 --> 01:13:00,640
Speaker 5: the most complete team. But I still think that that

1321
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 5: Mahomes is gonna find a way. I just think, you know,

1322
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 5: he is still the best quarterback that has improven. I mean,

1323
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 5: they were not a great team last year, and they've

1324
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 5: retooled that offensive line. I think they have some more

1325
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 5: pieces around him now. I feel better about that team

1326
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 5: this year. And I'm not saying they're the best team

1327
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 5: right now, but over the course of the season, they

1328
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 5: end up being one of the best, and they end

1329
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 5: up finding ways to win games they have no business winning.

1330
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 5: They are the best winners. Okay, that's it. They're the

1331
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:34,759
Speaker 5: best winners. And until someone else proves otherwise by showing

1332
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 5: until they actually prove otherwise by not consistently winning, then

1333
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 5: we can say differently. But for now, they are still

1334
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 5: the best winners in the NFL. The Kansas City Chiefs

1335
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 5: not popular and people are sick of it.

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01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:46,600
Speaker 4: I get it.

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01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 5: They're getting the Brady fatigue, the Patriots fatigue a little

1338
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:50,640
Speaker 5: bit here, but it is what it is.

1339
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 4: That's what I say.

1340
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 1: All right, there we go, Eddie will make our picks.

1341
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 1: I guess before the end of the day as well.

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01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 1: Steven appreciate the time as always. Man, we look forward

1343
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 1: to talking to me again. All right, you got it,

1344
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 1: all right, Steven Holder with Chiefs over the Eagles. Very original,

1345
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: by the way. Here on the guest line, all right,

1346
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 1: we come back Fever in Action. Eddie's got on his

1347
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 1: fever shirt. He's prepped for a late night. He's gonna

1348
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: get himself a Java House coffee and we're going to

1349
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:19,719
Speaker 1: talk about the fever and what's up with their injury

1350
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 1: report and whether or not shot clocks are gonna work.

1351
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 1: Scott Agnes next, Eddie. If you been to Phoenix, I

1352
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 1: have not. I like Phoenix the I think I told you.

1353
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 1: One time I was talking to Rick de Bruel, who

1354
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 1: used to work Indy car stuff and he lives in Phoenix.

1355
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 1: I said, hey, Rick, how hot does it get there

1356
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 1: in the dead of summer? He said, ou one hundred

1357
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 1: and sixteen hundred and eighteen, Like, man, how in the

1358
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 1: world do you live with that? And he said, well,

1359
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 1: let me ask you something. I said, okay, and he said,

1360
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:58,560
Speaker 1: how cold is it getting Indian in the dead of

1361
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 1: winner get like a week where it'll be like, you know,

1362
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 1: sub ten ten below something like that, And he said, Well,

1363
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:09,639
Speaker 1: here's the thing. When you have your extremes, how much

1364
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 1: longer does it take you to go out and get

1365
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 1: your mail? When I have my extreme, it takes me

1366
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 1: no longer to go out and get the mail than

1367
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 1: it does on any other day. I just do it

1368
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 1: quicker because it's a little bit warm out. I'm like, okay,

1369
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 1: that's fair. I can live with that. No humidity. You

1370
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:27,760
Speaker 1: go outside in the debt of summer in Phoenix and

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01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 1: you feel like you're room temperature. No bugs, no bugs there.

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01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 1: Bugs don't for whatever reason. I mean, yeah, you got

1373
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 1: like salamanders and stuff like that, but like, well they

1374
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 1: would fry Jake with, yeah, you're right like flat around.

1375
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 1: You don't get like mosquitoes and gnats and like little

1376
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:47,440
Speaker 1: little there's no airborne bugs. Now, I think the scorpion's

1377
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 1: bit of an issue, But I do like Phoenix and

1378
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:52,640
Speaker 1: if you ever go there, they got that there's some

1379
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 1: mountain you can climb to the top of and overlook

1380
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 1: the whole city and it's pretty easy to do. It's

1381
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 1: pretty awesome. But that's where the fever are correct.

1382
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 2: Yes, tonight ten o'clock nine forty five pre gamecombad right

1383
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 2: here on the Fame with me, good boy Eddie Garrison.

1384
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:10,600
Speaker 2: So you're gonna get some Java House coffee and go

1385
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,639
Speaker 2: with the Chai tea. Well, I'll probably need some coffee.

1386
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 2: I almost poured out some coffee the other night because

1387
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 2: two hours and forty minutes for a WNBA game is ridiculous.

1388
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 1: Well that was, and listen, I love to sew. I'm

1389
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 1: a watch guy. I just by the way, I now

1390
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 1: have a twenty third watch in my watch collection. It's

1391
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 1: not a to sow. I do have it to sew though,

1392
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:33,680
Speaker 1: but it's a nineteen thirty eight to so. And that

1393
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 1: apparently is what the shot clocks were. I think it

1394
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 1: was to so that it's set up on the top

1395
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 1: of the clock where they had some issues in the

1396
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 1: fever WNBA game. Joining us now and I'm sure thrilled

1397
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 1: to be doing so based on that intro from Fieldhouse

1398
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:47,600
Speaker 1: Files is Scott Agnes and Scott, let's get to this

1399
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 1: talk about the fever and Phoenix. And by the way, Scott,

1400
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 1: have you been to Phoenix?

1401
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:53,679
Speaker 6: I have several times.

1402
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:54,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, you like Phoenix.

1403
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 6: I do, But to your point earlier, it is dreadful

1404
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:00,760
Speaker 6: this time of year, very much like Vegas. In the

1405
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 6: middle of July where it's on and ten degrees.

1406
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 1: That's a dry heat. But the heat is on the

1407
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 1: Fever right now, not just because of the mercury, but

1408
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 1: because of their situation and the postseason, which is tenuous.

1409
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 1: And you're starting to hear that, like if you're standing

1410
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 1: on is of things beneath their footing. Take me through

1411
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 1: in four our listeners, where things stand for the Fever

1412
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:28,639
Speaker 1: right now of their solidarity or lack thereof in terms

1413
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 1: of the postseason.

1414
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's crunch time, absolutely less, and basically the

1415
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 6: season's over regular season in one week, and there's now

1416
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 6: for the first time this season, thirteen teams in the

1417
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 6: league after one expansion team, and there's eight playoff spots.

1418
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 6: Four have already been clinched. Four players or four teams

1419
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 6: rather have already been eliminated, Jake. So you have five

1420
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 6: teams competing here over the final week for four spots,

1421
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 6: the Fever right in the middle of that pack. So

1422
01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 6: they'll probably need to win at least two perhaps to

1423
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 6: control their own destiny here. But among their final four

1424
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 6: games here, a couple of their opponents Chicago Washington, they've

1425
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:11,759
Speaker 6: already been eliminated in their final games against Minnesota Links,

1426
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 6: who have the top seed, and you never know will

1427
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:18,680
Speaker 6: they be in the resting and looking forward to the

1428
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 6: postseason for their season finale in one week.

1429
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 1: Do you think that I'll just put this point blank, Scott,

1430
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 1: do you think we see Caitlin Clark before the end

1431
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 1: of the year. I do.

1432
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 6: I still believe after that brief issue that happened ironically

1433
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 6: in Phoenix a month ago when she got injured and

1434
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:39,599
Speaker 6: then we saw Sidney Coulson go down during the game

1435
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 6: and Ery McDonald later in the game, they're back in

1436
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 6: that Phoenix And I think we saw Chloe post a

1437
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 6: video here today of her shoot around going through five

1438
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 6: on OH. That show she's progressing through exactly what they

1439
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 6: want and to this point has certainly gotten about a

1440
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,960
Speaker 6: half dozen walk through shoot arounds five on OH type

1441
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:00,600
Speaker 6: work in that. I think it would be set up

1442
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 6: nicely for her to potentially return Friday, because if you

1443
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 6: don't return this weekend, what are we doing here?

1444
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 4: Right?

1445
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 6: So, I think you're in a good spot leading up

1446
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 6: to Friday against Chicago.

1447
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:15,599
Speaker 1: The Scott Agnes is our guest from Fieldhouse Files. Scott

1448
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 1: is there as they have had to go through so

1449
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 1: many backcourt combinations this year the Fever because of you know,

1450
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 1: the attrition, right, Seemingly every time they get a new

1451
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 1: point guards, you know, something else happens. But have they

1452
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 1: had to alter their style of play? And in addition

1453
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 1: to that, are they being played any differently?

1454
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the manner in which they play has

1455
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 6: changed because they've had to simplify everything. Like you have

1456
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 6: a Hall of Training camp, which isn't very long and

1457
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:46,639
Speaker 6: certainly not long enough for these coaches to install everything

1458
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,839
Speaker 6: they want months ago. And I mean the latest example

1459
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 6: of what the Fever have gone through all season is

1460
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 6: one of the players they signed to a hardship then

1461
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:55,559
Speaker 6: signed to the rest of the season deal, Chloe Bibby.

1462
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 6: She's been out for two weeks now with left knee soreness.

1463
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 6: So it's one thing out after another, and so she's

1464
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 6: joined that injury report for the last several weeks. So

1465
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 6: they've simplified. I think it's less playmaking and they're really

1466
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 6: just emphasizing the most obvious things and trying to get

1467
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 6: through games.

1468
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:17,720
Speaker 1: Finally, go ahead, Oh finish what you're saying, Scott, My bad, No,

1469
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 1: you're good.

1470
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 6: I was just they're trying to simplify everything, because looks

1471
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 6: they're at a place in the season right now where

1472
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 6: this is why you did see them tweak the type

1473
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 6: of player they went after as well. Instead of a

1474
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 6: player who had never played in the league like they

1475
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:33,560
Speaker 6: did previously, or had a couple of years of experience,

1476
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 6: they went and got that thirty four and thirty six

1477
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 6: year old point guard who had ten years of experience

1478
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 6: in the league for that specific reason to get them through.

1479
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 1: I know what I was going to say, and that

1480
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 1: is By the way, did I see video of Tyrese

1481
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 1: Haliburton shooting albeit flat footed free throws.

1482
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, Tyree's posted on his Instagram on Monday, him and

1483
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:57,599
Speaker 6: his friend and assistant coach Isaac Jacob at the practice facility,

1484
01:20:57,880 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 6: and yesterday was exactly ten weeks.

1485
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 1: Ten weeks since the injury. I think we just lost

1486
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:07,720
Speaker 1: Scott's connection. That's you know. I remember when I was

1487
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:10,640
Speaker 1: a kid. Scotti Shepherd, who went on to become a

1488
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:12,600
Speaker 1: really good player at Carmel and then went on to

1489
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 1: Florida State is dat Billy Shepherd and mister basketball. He

1490
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 1: was the first kid I ever played with the could

1491
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 1: shoot flat footed free throws. That was a marvel, like

1492
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 1: in fourth grade. And it's a marvel to see Tyre's

1493
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 1: Halliburton doing it because, to your points, got ten weeks

1494
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 1: since the injury, and you know, obviously the way he

1495
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 1: was shooting it, he you don't jump at this age

1496
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:35,720
Speaker 1: when you're shooting free throws. But he very clearly was

1497
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:39,559
Speaker 1: just keeping the weight stable on the achilles. But to

1498
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:43,599
Speaker 1: your knowledge, from what you've heard or what the expectation was,

1499
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 1: is this above behind schedule, you know, advanced or right

1500
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:50,320
Speaker 1: about on par.

1501
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 6: It seems to me right on schedule. He hadn't said

1502
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 6: anything to that note. But I want to emphasize here

1503
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 6: this is nothing a month or two months. The focus

1504
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 6: here is on next season. They've already had that. So

1505
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 6: the approach here is more than anything, probably mental and

1506
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 6: getting through the rehab, which is so grinding. I mean,

1507
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 6: it's using your foot and picking up marbles on the

1508
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 6: feet to activate tendons and ligaments, things that are just tedious,

1509
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 6: but little things like that. So I think he's right

1510
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 6: on schedule. The fact that he did say he did

1511
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 6: get out of his boot a little bit early. He's

1512
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 6: not wearing shoes full time, but is able to wear

1513
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 6: it in spurts, but he certainly has ditched the scooters,

1514
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:32,720
Speaker 6: so that's all possible.

1515
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:36,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. And the thing is when it comes

1516
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 1: to Halliburton, so much of injury recovery is mental and

1517
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 1: just overcoming the fear of whether or not the body

1518
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:51,599
Speaker 1: is going to respond when you're asking it to do

1519
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 1: something different. And you know what I mean, Scott, Like,

1520
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 1: you just see so many players that psychologically they want

1521
01:22:57,439 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 1: to hesitate. And I'm not saying he's at that point

1522
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 1: at all. I mean he's not putting that sort of

1523
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 1: physical activity on it, but each step along the way

1524
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:07,599
Speaker 1: I think is important towards eventually being able to overcome

1525
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:09,559
Speaker 1: that mental hurdle one hundred percent.

1526
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what you're looking for. If you're the team,

1527
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 6: it's the little benchmarks, how are you doing mentally and

1528
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 6: in the real test, Jake, we'll be here in a

1529
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 6: two months or so when he's starting to miss games,

1530
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 6: when he's starting to feel like he's not contributing, that

1531
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 6: he has no role on the team, he can't help

1532
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 6: out in any way. For right now, he wouldn't be

1533
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:32,799
Speaker 6: playing anyway with his teammates, playing in front of those fans,

1534
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 6: And so to me, the great thing that he's also

1535
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 6: had is he's been able to check in with Kevin

1536
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 6: Durant often. He's been able to check in with Jason

1537
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 6: Tatum often, who shares the same skills trainer, and he's

1538
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 6: about three weeks maybe four weeks ahead of Tyree, so

1539
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 6: he can literally tell him what's upcoming. They went through

1540
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 6: the same doctor, so they're probably having very similar rehabs

1541
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:53,840
Speaker 6: as well.

1542
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 1: Small world they live in, man intertwined world for sure.

1543
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 1: Scott agnesfield House files again Fever and tonight taking on Phoenix.

1544
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:04,679
Speaker 1: Then on Friday it is Chicago. That is a home

1545
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:09,760
Speaker 1: game seven thirty at Gamebridge field House, Washington and Minnesota

1546
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:12,840
Speaker 1: to round out the regular season. Scott appreciate it, man,

1547
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you soon.

1548
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 6: Sounds good, thanks, Jake.

1549
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 1: Scott Agnes joining us on the guest line. Eddie will

1550
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 1: have the late night What time when you get out

1551
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 1: of here tonight, Eddie?

1552
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 2: Uh, twelve thirty is the projected end of postgame show time,

1553
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:27,679
Speaker 2: so twelve forty five.

1554
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 1: That's kind of fun, right. I love the late night stuff, man,

1555
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 1: I love the I love watching games on the West Coast.

1556
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 1: It always feels like, you know, stay like when the

1557
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 1: Pacers have late night games on a Tuesday night in

1558
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:41,680
Speaker 1: Female just like this a Tuesday night in Phoenix. I

1559
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 1: think it's I love it it always.

1560
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:45,800
Speaker 2: I guess it was really the first time for me

1561
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 2: on the West Coast on what was that Friday Friday

1562
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 2: night when they're in Los Angeles? Yeah, Friday night and

1563
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 2: I'm doing the postgame show and it's after men.

1564
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 1: I like, it is it Friday? Is it Saturday?

1565
01:24:57,200 --> 01:24:57,280
Speaker 3: Like?

1566
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 1: How do I address this? Hey?

1567
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 2: We were Friday nights. Well, I hope the start of

1568
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 2: your Saturday mornings fantastic.

1569
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:04,559
Speaker 1: That's a good, good point.

1570
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:07,679
Speaker 2: Coming up today on the phone, coming up, you know, Saturday,

1571
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:10,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, what how do I phrase it?

1572
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:12,040
Speaker 1: I always get thrown off, like in the news when

1573
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 1: they say, like, you know so and so, so and so,

1574
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 1: you know it was you know, someone passed away or

1575
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 1: like something happened, you know, like Tuesday morning, and then

1576
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 1: you look at me, you know it was twelve thirty. Yeah, okay,

1577
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 1: I mean that's Monday night, right right. We come back.

1578
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 1: Big news, Boiler up, Boiler up, you Purdue fans. I

1579
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 1: got good news for you. You're gonna want to hear,

1580
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 1: not just that your football team won but a big

1581
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 1: win across the parking lot as well. We'll explain next.

1582
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 1: So some big things happening in West Lafayette for Matt

1583
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 1: Painter's basketball program. Jacob Weber, who is I believe at now?

1584
01:25:58,080 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 1: How do we say this?

1585
01:25:59,000 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 4: Eddie? Is it?

1586
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 1: I never not how to pronounce this? La Lumier? Is

1587
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:07,680
Speaker 1: that right? I think so? Lalomire, I think it's that

1588
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:12,439
Speaker 1: might be right, La Lamire, That might be right either way.

1589
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 1: The prep school that's up north, uh. Jacob Weber is

1590
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 1: believed to be one of the best shooting guards or

1591
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:21,639
Speaker 1: shooting forwards. He's sixty six, so I guess you'd say

1592
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:27,400
Speaker 1: like wing, yeah, Wing, thank you in the country. He

1593
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:31,879
Speaker 1: is nationally ranked. He's he was a three star recruit

1594
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 1: that has improved. He must have had a good summer circuit.

1595
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:38,679
Speaker 1: But he is verbally committed now to Perdue to Matt

1596
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:40,719
Speaker 1: Painter's program. He is believed to be the best shooter

1597
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 1: one of them in the country. He chose Perdue over

1598
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 1: Nebraska as well as Creighton. But I think this is

1599
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 1: one of those situations where people say, yeah, but if

1600
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 1: he hadn't committed, he was really starting to move up

1601
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:55,799
Speaker 1: the boards and probably was going to get bigger offers,

1602
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 1: and Purdue already has. This is already a really good

1603
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 1: class for Perdue, your Fletcher Lawyer replacement right there. That's

1604
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:06,599
Speaker 1: probably right, you know. And they have other players. I mean,

1605
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:09,760
Speaker 1: bo Ogden is a kid out of Texas that is

1606
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 1: kind of in that same mold that has already committed. Anymore.

1607
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 1: I get a little bit hesitant when I read, you know, committed, signed,

1608
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 1: because I mean you get all the flips and the

1609
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:25,840
Speaker 1: last minute nil push, et cetera. Luke Rdle who is

1610
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 1: out of Mount Vernon and he is a point guard

1611
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:31,720
Speaker 1: and thought to be Again, there's your Braden Smith era

1612
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:36,679
Speaker 1: parent right already in as well. And then I hope

1613
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:40,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying it correctly. Sinan Juan, who's a seven foot

1614
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 1: player out of the out of Florida, is believed to

1615
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:47,120
Speaker 1: be leaning towards Purdue. So what could be a dynamite

1616
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 1: class for Matt Painter. And one of the things about

1617
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 1: Purdue that I give them a ton of credit is

1618
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:59,559
Speaker 1: and I've told this story one hundred thousand times and

1619
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 1: it's going to be one hundred thousand and one, but

1620
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 1: I've gone up to watch Purdue practice on several occasions,

1621
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 1: and I have all the respect in the world for

1622
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 1: Matt Painter and his staff. You know, we had Elliott

1623
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 1: Bloom on the show last year during the tournament. PJ.

1624
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 1: Thompson has has joined us before. And I know that

1625
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 1: that every sports property talks about culture no matter where

1626
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:29,759
Speaker 1: you go. Well, you know, we got a great culture.

1627
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 1: Everybody's got culture. It's the most overused word in sports.

1628
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 1: That's a great locker room. I'm just proud of those guys.

1629
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 1: Just the culture, right, and it starts at the top.

1630
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 1: Just culture, guys. You know, everybody knows their role. Okay,

1631
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 1: everybody says that. Everybody says it. Half the people that

1632
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 1: say don't even know what it means. You know, some

1633
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:54,720
Speaker 1: guys are like, our locker room's got culture. Will give

1634
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 1: me an example, Well, last week somebody brought in an

1635
01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 1: Italian dish. Okay, that's right. And so with Purdue, I

1636
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 1: was up there practice one day and I'm watching it

1637
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:09,640
Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean, sure, you get you know, it

1638
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:11,360
Speaker 1: look like the guys get along or whatever else, but

1639
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 1: I'm not you know, who knows. I'm just watching a

1640
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 1: practice and there was a big time recruit, I mean

1641
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:20,559
Speaker 1: a big time recruit that had early on been linked

1642
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 1: to Purdue, and this was pre INIL, but like INIL

1643
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:27,879
Speaker 1: was started INIL, was a whisper but not a reality.

1644
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:34,080
Speaker 1: And so I just asked, Hey, this guy that everybody

1645
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 1: and their brother wants, I mean everybody wants this player.

1646
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 1: And I heard this player linked to Purdue early on,

1647
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 1: and I haven't heard Purdue mentioned much anymore. And one

1648
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 1: of the staff members said to me, oh, yeah, paint

1649
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:50,800
Speaker 1: shut that down. This is what do you mean, paint

1650
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:53,679
Speaker 1: shut that down? What does that mean? They said, well,

1651
01:29:54,800 --> 01:30:00,360
Speaker 1: we went to coach and said, hey, this guy rumor

1652
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:02,880
Speaker 1: to be going here, or you know, rumor to be

1653
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:06,719
Speaker 1: interested in going here. And eventually this guy's dad called

1654
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 1: and said, you haven't called in a while. And so

1655
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 1: they went to Painter and said what's the deal and

1656
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:16,599
Speaker 1: Painter said, yeah, no, he's he's a pay for play.

1657
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:18,679
Speaker 1: So what do you mean? Said, well, he's he's gonna

1658
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:22,679
Speaker 1: want payment. We're not going to do that. And until

1659
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:24,600
Speaker 1: it's legal, and it's not yet, it's going to be,

1660
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:28,680
Speaker 1: but it's not now. And secondly, guys like that that

1661
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:33,360
Speaker 1: have the handout, they're they're looking for themselves and I

1662
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:35,679
Speaker 1: don't want that. I want guys here that that buy

1663
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:38,679
Speaker 1: into the team concept. And if you look at Purdue

1664
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 1: and it really is amazing. I mean I realized that that,

1665
01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:46,520
Speaker 1: you know, Braden Smith and Fletcher Lawyer played right away.

1666
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:52,800
Speaker 1: But I think Caleb First and Trey Kaufman wren are

1667
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:57,880
Speaker 1: a really good example of the Purdue culture because Caleb

1668
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:00,559
Speaker 1: First is a guy that came in in the same

1669
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 1: class as Trey Coufman Wrenn. He was mister Basketball. Kaupman

1670
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 1: Wrenn was the runner up. They go to Purdue together.

1671
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:11,800
Speaker 1: Kaupman wren is immediately red shirted, Caleb First gets minutes

1672
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:16,599
Speaker 1: right away, and Caleb First was a really good player

1673
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:19,160
Speaker 1: and a contributor as a freshman and a big time recruit.

1674
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 1: And Trey Kaupman Wrenn is sitting and watching and then

1675
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 1: Zachiaed he really develops and Caleb First takes a back

1676
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 1: seat and a secondary role. And Caleb First was totally

1677
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 1: happy and content with taking almost a back seat of

1678
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:43,720
Speaker 1: where it was initially in his career expected he was

1679
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:48,640
Speaker 1: going to be because number one, he was there to

1680
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:52,880
Speaker 1: put himself in position to become a doctor academically and

1681
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:56,479
Speaker 1: go on above and beyond what was happening for him

1682
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:59,719
Speaker 1: on the basketball court. But number two, they were winning

1683
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:03,040
Speaker 1: game games and winning lots of them, and winning tournament

1684
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 1: games and getting deep in the tournament and going to

1685
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 1: a final four and all of those things. And so

1686
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 1: Caleb First knew that the trajectory of Caleb First was

1687
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:18,280
Speaker 1: not as important as the trajectory of the program itself.

1688
01:32:19,479 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 1: And Trey Kaufman wren as a freshman red shirted, a

1689
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:28,160
Speaker 1: guy that could have gone probably anywhere and gotten significant

1690
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:30,840
Speaker 1: minutes as a freshman and sat and watched Caleb First

1691
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:33,080
Speaker 1: play in front of him and then came in and

1692
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:36,559
Speaker 1: basically kind of overtook a lot of those minutes because

1693
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:39,840
Speaker 1: Caleb First was aware, or excuse me, Trey Coppman Wrenn

1694
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:42,960
Speaker 1: was aware that the trajectory of Trey Kaufman wren was

1695
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:46,559
Speaker 1: not as important as the trajectory of the program. And

1696
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:53,680
Speaker 1: it's one thing to have, and it's difficult in today's

1697
01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 1: college athletic landscape. It is really difficult to maintain that

1698
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:03,880
Speaker 1: level of intent because it would have been easier to

1699
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 1: just say we're just going to be like everybody else. Now.

1700
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:09,680
Speaker 1: You get a car, and you get a car, and

1701
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:12,719
Speaker 1: you get a car and if you don't play after

1702
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:15,200
Speaker 1: six months, you can transfer out. And we're going to

1703
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:18,479
Speaker 1: get this transfer kid in. And this kid didn't develop,

1704
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 1: so well, let's spit him out and we'll go out

1705
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:22,920
Speaker 1: and just sign a guard from Alabama and put him here.

1706
01:33:23,439 --> 01:33:25,680
Speaker 1: It's very easy to do that and fall victim to it.

1707
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:30,680
Speaker 1: Or you can stay true to who you are and

1708
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:34,200
Speaker 1: know that that might limit the scope of player that

1709
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:39,680
Speaker 1: you're going to recruit, and you might be actually minimizing

1710
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:45,800
Speaker 1: the talent pool from which you're choosing. But you are

1711
01:33:47,240 --> 01:33:51,680
Speaker 1: now going into a more esoteric group of player. But

1712
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:54,400
Speaker 1: that group of player has an esoteric list of school

1713
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:58,400
Speaker 1: he's willing to play for. And so you might be

1714
01:33:58,439 --> 01:34:01,559
Speaker 1: saying to yourself, we're not women in the same recruiting

1715
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:06,760
Speaker 1: sharks shark pool as Auburn and Kansas and you know,

1716
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:09,280
Speaker 1: Michigan State. I'm just throwing programs out there. I'm not

1717
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:17,080
Speaker 1: trying to indict anybody, maybe, but the players that want

1718
01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:20,639
Speaker 1: to play and want to be Caleb first and want

1719
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 1: to be Trey Kaufman Wren and want to be Zach Edy,

1720
01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:27,080
Speaker 1: and by that I mean that that know that minutes

1721
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:29,200
Speaker 1: are going to come to those who are putting in

1722
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 1: the most time minutes are going to be going to

1723
01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:37,080
Speaker 1: those whose services best fit what we want to do

1724
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:41,519
Speaker 1: to win. You now are able to kind of almost

1725
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:44,840
Speaker 1: hand pick that level of player because that kind of

1726
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:48,000
Speaker 1: a player, with that kind of a mindset has a

1727
01:34:48,160 --> 01:34:51,599
Speaker 1: smaller and more finite list of school that still caters

1728
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:55,000
Speaker 1: to that as opposed to come here and we're NBA

1729
01:34:55,120 --> 01:35:00,479
Speaker 1: Junior and Purdue, when it would have been very easy

1730
01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 1: to sell itself out and compromise itself, stood true to

1731
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:06,040
Speaker 1: who it is, and they're now seeing the reward for

1732
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:09,160
Speaker 1: it because they are option one for players that still

1733
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:11,960
Speaker 1: have that belief and that feeling of culture, and it

1734
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:15,040
Speaker 1: might not be as big a pool to choose from,

1735
01:35:15,160 --> 01:35:17,240
Speaker 1: but you're going to get the top of that list,

1736
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:21,200
Speaker 1: and that's what you're seeing. And I hope and I

1737
01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:25,600
Speaker 1: certainly and I really am optimistic and impressed by what

1738
01:35:25,640 --> 01:35:29,400
Speaker 1: I've seen out of Indiana and what Dereese has been

1739
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:31,439
Speaker 1: able to do with that group of players that have

1740
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:34,080
Speaker 1: come in. And yes, he had to put together a

1741
01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:36,560
Speaker 1: roster late and so he did have to take transfers,

1742
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 1: but some of the players they're in the mix for

1743
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:41,920
Speaker 1: now from a recruiting standpoint. I think also are guys

1744
01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:43,920
Speaker 1: that are going to go there because they're like I

1745
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 1: believe in the system, the way that they play, the

1746
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:50,200
Speaker 1: fast paced, the open threes and those sorts of things,

1747
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:53,320
Speaker 1: and in produce case, it is a it's a system

1748
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:56,479
Speaker 1: that is embedded in integrity. And I think it's cool

1749
01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 1: and I think it's awesome that they got another player,

1750
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:02,799
Speaker 1: and I hope all these guys stick true to the commitment.

1751
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:05,080
Speaker 1: Zach Keifer going to join us, and he's going to

1752
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:10,240
Speaker 1: do it next Zach Keefer from the Athletic in just

1753
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:12,719
Speaker 1: a second before we do that. Wanted to pass this along,

1754
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:16,439
Speaker 1: just saw this story come across in the last hour

1755
01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 1: or so. George Raveling, who many would remember as the

1756
01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:26,840
Speaker 1: sweatsuit wearing coach for the Iowa Hawkeyes in the mid eighties.

1757
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:29,800
Speaker 1: He had been involved in the shoe industry when he

1758
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:32,920
Speaker 1: got the Iowa job. Also was an assistant for Bob

1759
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:35,840
Speaker 1: Knight on the nineteen eighty four Olympic team, arguably the

1760
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:40,360
Speaker 1: greatest amateur team ever assembled. And George Raveling, who as

1761
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:43,280
Speaker 1: well worked security during Martin Luther King's I Have a

1762
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:46,599
Speaker 1: Dream speech and as a result, asked doctor King for

1763
01:36:47,160 --> 01:36:51,240
Speaker 1: the original copy of the speech itself as King was

1764
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:53,559
Speaker 1: leaving the podium that day and held on to it

1765
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:57,479
Speaker 1: until he donated it to Villanova University. But George Raveling,

1766
01:36:58,160 --> 01:37:00,400
Speaker 1: one of the great personalities in college basket ball of

1767
01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:04,040
Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties, certainly passing away today at the

1768
01:37:04,120 --> 01:37:07,400
Speaker 1: age of eighty eight. Zach Keith for joining us on

1769
01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:10,160
Speaker 1: the program from the Athletic has and of course Zach,

1770
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:14,360
Speaker 1: as we know for many years covering of the coverage

1771
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:17,360
Speaker 1: of the Indianapolis Colts, now covering the NFL on a

1772
01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:20,880
Speaker 1: wider scope league wide. It was a very interesting article

1773
01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:23,280
Speaker 1: about quarterbacks in the NFL. And Zach, I'm going to

1774
01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:26,280
Speaker 1: begin with one of my really bad analogies. Are you ready.

1775
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:27,840
Speaker 3: I'm ready, let's do it.

1776
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:32,559
Speaker 1: When I was thank you, that's the bad analogy sound

1777
01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:37,120
Speaker 1: or on the program that is the worst? That was

1778
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:39,120
Speaker 1: Fish right, and that the guy from Fish playing a

1779
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:44,040
Speaker 1: vacuum cleaner, Zach. When I was in high school, my

1780
01:37:44,200 --> 01:37:46,280
Speaker 1: dad one day said to me, he said, Jake, you know,

1781
01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:48,040
Speaker 1: if you're going to want to go to college, you're

1782
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:49,880
Speaker 1: going to have to kind of what's going on with

1783
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:52,080
Speaker 1: you academically. And I said, Dad, don't worry like as

1784
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:54,240
Speaker 1: soon as I get to my junior year, I'm really

1785
01:37:54,280 --> 01:37:56,320
Speaker 1: going to buckle down and I'm going to be a

1786
01:37:56,360 --> 01:37:59,200
Speaker 1: really good student. And my dad said, but Jake, it

1787
01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:01,639
Speaker 1: doesn't work that easy. You don't just flip a switch.

1788
01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:06,679
Speaker 1: And I later had to learn that that is true.

1789
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:09,160
Speaker 1: What you do as a freshman and sophomore kind of

1790
01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:11,800
Speaker 1: sets the tone for you academically over the course of

1791
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:15,760
Speaker 1: your career. And in the NFL, it seems to me like,

1792
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:18,640
Speaker 1: in fact, when you have a young quarterback, you have

1793
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:21,439
Speaker 1: a brief period of time to get it right, because

1794
01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:23,479
Speaker 1: you don't just all of a sudden flip a switch.

1795
01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:27,320
Speaker 1: And I don't know exactly when the time period is

1796
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:29,680
Speaker 1: that you have to make that decision or when the

1797
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:33,320
Speaker 1: damage you're too far gone. But you have a fascinating

1798
01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:37,479
Speaker 1: article about all of that, right, and it really is

1799
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:40,240
Speaker 1: one of the biggest balancing acts in sports, is it not.

1800
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:43,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a fair analogy.

1801
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:44,559
Speaker 4: You know.

1802
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:46,599
Speaker 3: The funny part, Jake is I talked to a lot

1803
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:50,080
Speaker 3: of former quarterbacks about this, and the range was why right,

1804
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:52,679
Speaker 3: Like Hall of famers, some of the best to ever

1805
01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:56,360
Speaker 3: play the position, admitted like even they didn't think it

1806
01:38:56,400 --> 01:38:59,240
Speaker 3: was going right at the early stages, right, Like I

1807
01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:01,280
Speaker 3: never heard this story before. I don't know if you

1808
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:04,519
Speaker 3: did either, But Peyton Manning was six quarters into his

1809
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:07,479
Speaker 3: NFL career. They were playing in Foxborough in week two

1810
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:11,320
Speaker 3: of his rookie season. He thrown six interceptions already, and

1811
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:13,760
Speaker 3: he's looking down the sideline at Jim Moore being like,

1812
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 3: am I going to get benched?

1813
01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:16,559
Speaker 4: Like? Am I?

1814
01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:18,160
Speaker 3: Am I going to sit down the rest of the day.

1815
01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:20,479
Speaker 3: And he admitted that part of him wanted to be

1816
01:39:20,479 --> 01:39:23,679
Speaker 3: benched because he didn't want to throw five or six interceptions.

1817
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:25,679
Speaker 3: And then, you you know, go back even further Troy

1818
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:28,439
Speaker 3: Ik then number one pick Dallas Cowboys. You know, he

1819
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:30,360
Speaker 3: famously did not win a game as a rookie. He

1820
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:32,800
Speaker 3: would walk off the field and wonder, like, what does

1821
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:35,200
Speaker 3: it take to win a game in this league? And

1822
01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:37,120
Speaker 3: that's the guy that went on to win three Super Bowls,

1823
01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:40,240
Speaker 3: and like Peyton as a Hall of Famer. So even

1824
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:43,400
Speaker 3: for the all time greats, it feels like they're like

1825
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:46,719
Speaker 3: trying to wade through this abyss in the early parts

1826
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:50,400
Speaker 3: of their career. So there's no one obvious template where

1827
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:53,639
Speaker 3: you just have success right away. But another telling moment

1828
01:39:53,800 --> 01:39:56,240
Speaker 3: was I mean, the best rookie quarterback we've seen in

1829
01:39:56,240 --> 01:39:59,000
Speaker 3: this town was Andrew luck in twenty twelve. And I

1830
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:01,000
Speaker 3: asked him about it, like, how was it dealing with

1831
01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:04,040
Speaker 3: not just the pressure of replacing Peyton, but also like

1832
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:07,280
Speaker 3: being a rookie quarterback who starts from the minute you

1833
01:40:07,320 --> 01:40:10,080
Speaker 3: get there. And he was like, it was everything you

1834
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:11,760
Speaker 3: think it was, and then you pour a lot of

1835
01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:13,960
Speaker 3: gasoline on top of it. And that was a guy

1836
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:16,439
Speaker 3: who was as ready as any one of them. So

1837
01:40:16,479 --> 01:40:18,519
Speaker 3: if you spin that forward to the situation the culture

1838
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:21,000
Speaker 3: and now a lot of mistakes were made and how

1839
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:25,000
Speaker 3: they brought Anthony Richardson just the first twenty four months alone.

1840
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:29,040
Speaker 1: You know the let's go back to this, Zach, because

1841
01:40:29,080 --> 01:40:31,400
Speaker 1: you know the cults are in a unique situation. We

1842
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:33,800
Speaker 1: can get to that in the quarterbacking spot and the

1843
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:36,720
Speaker 1: fact that you have one guy that you're wondering if

1844
01:40:36,760 --> 01:40:38,920
Speaker 1: it's too late, you have another one that you're hoping

1845
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:45,000
Speaker 1: that a second lease gives second opportunity. Right what quarterback

1846
01:40:45,080 --> 01:40:48,000
Speaker 1: right now, when you were doing this piece, did you

1847
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:52,400
Speaker 1: kind of learn you feel from a league standpoint, is

1848
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:57,280
Speaker 1: most right now delicately walking that tightrope of figuring out

1849
01:40:57,320 --> 01:40:59,240
Speaker 1: which which guy he's going to be.

1850
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:03,719
Speaker 3: I think he plays in Chicago. I think it's Caleb Williams.

1851
01:41:03,800 --> 01:41:06,599
Speaker 3: I know it's too early, he's only played one season,

1852
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:11,160
Speaker 3: but some of the quotes from Peyton Manning were very telling. Peyton,

1853
01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:13,800
Speaker 3: as everybody knows that's listening to the show right now,

1854
01:41:14,320 --> 01:41:18,600
Speaker 3: is a fan of quarterbacks, right he is quarterback allegiant,

1855
01:41:18,680 --> 01:41:21,599
Speaker 3: and he hates what's happening to young quarterbacks in the NFL.

1856
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:23,599
Speaker 3: And he brought up Williams, and he brought up Bryce

1857
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:26,759
Speaker 3: Young as well. But what he said was, look, everybody

1858
01:41:26,760 --> 01:41:29,120
Speaker 3: says they have a plan. All these gms and these

1859
01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:31,280
Speaker 3: teams and these owners, they get up there and they say,

1860
01:41:31,560 --> 01:41:33,320
Speaker 3: we're going to be patient, We're going to play it

1861
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:35,200
Speaker 3: slow with this guy. He's going to be our guy

1862
01:41:35,240 --> 01:41:38,760
Speaker 3: for a long time. And they don't practice it right.

1863
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:42,719
Speaker 3: They buckle under pressure, they make changes, they fire coaches,

1864
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:45,760
Speaker 3: they fire coordinators. And Peyton pointed out that both of

1865
01:41:45,800 --> 01:41:48,400
Speaker 3: these number one picks the last two years are on

1866
01:41:48,479 --> 01:41:52,240
Speaker 3: their third head coach including interims and third play caller,

1867
01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:55,800
Speaker 3: and Caleb's in year two. So this is just malpractice

1868
01:41:55,840 --> 01:41:58,639
Speaker 3: in terms of what Peyton sees and look I mean,

1869
01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:01,840
Speaker 3: part of it is the way we analyze these guys.

1870
01:42:01,840 --> 01:42:03,760
Speaker 3: And Aikman made this point. He said, look, I was

1871
01:42:03,800 --> 01:42:06,400
Speaker 3: in Dallas. I was terrible as a rookie, but I

1872
01:42:06,479 --> 01:42:08,719
Speaker 3: wasn't on the talk shows every day. I wasn't getting

1873
01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:12,160
Speaker 3: destroyed in ESPN every day. And I mean Caleb Williams,

1874
01:42:12,200 --> 01:42:15,400
Speaker 3: he misses a throwing net in August, in the first

1875
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:18,360
Speaker 3: week of training camp, and it's like, all of a sudden,

1876
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:21,120
Speaker 3: a nine second video clip on Twitter is is a

1877
01:42:21,120 --> 01:42:24,720
Speaker 3: litmus test for the rest of his season. So you know,

1878
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:29,640
Speaker 3: context is missing, Jake Nuance is missing. But the thing is,

1879
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:33,000
Speaker 3: you know, Peyton gets really angry about the way these

1880
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:35,559
Speaker 3: quarterbacks are treated. He you know, he played for the

1881
01:42:35,560 --> 01:42:37,800
Speaker 3: same offensive coordingtor the first nine or ten years of

1882
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:40,720
Speaker 3: his career. That's rare. But he said, look, if you're

1883
01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:42,719
Speaker 3: a team and you don't think you have the right coach,

1884
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:46,799
Speaker 3: don't draft the quarterback. But then he added, they always

1885
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:49,160
Speaker 3: always always draft the quarterback.

1886
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:52,280
Speaker 1: Okay, let me give you a couple of quarterbacks, Zach,

1887
01:42:52,360 --> 01:42:54,000
Speaker 1: and I want you to tell me whether or not

1888
01:42:54,120 --> 01:42:58,880
Speaker 1: you think we know who they are or we're still learning.

1889
01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:04,280
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, Tua, Well, I think we know who

1890
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:04,559
Speaker 3: he is.

1891
01:43:05,200 --> 01:43:09,960
Speaker 1: Okay. You mentioned Caleb Williams. That's a good rue, Okay,

1892
01:43:11,320 --> 01:43:14,120
Speaker 1: And here's a good one because it's a young player

1893
01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:18,400
Speaker 1: who right out of the womb was outstanding. But there's

1894
01:43:18,439 --> 01:43:21,400
Speaker 1: also that tendency to kind of buy into fools gold.

1895
01:43:22,280 --> 01:43:25,200
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that this player is that, but but

1896
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:26,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you a couple of young players.

1897
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:30,680
Speaker 1: You tell me if there's a chance of regression. Jadeen Daniels,

1898
01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:32,439
Speaker 1: I have a.

1899
01:43:32,360 --> 01:43:35,080
Speaker 3: Big story coming at him later this week, and I

1900
01:43:35,120 --> 01:43:38,400
Speaker 3: think he's for real because of his makeup, his mental makeup.

1901
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:40,960
Speaker 3: He doesn't fall for the trappings that a lot of

1902
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:44,200
Speaker 3: these young quarterbacks have fallen for. And I think they're

1903
01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:47,240
Speaker 3: doing everything right in that organization, which is saying something

1904
01:43:47,240 --> 01:43:49,920
Speaker 3: because that organization did everything wrong for about twenty five

1905
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:52,840
Speaker 3: years before he got there. So I'm buying Jayden Daniels.

1906
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:57,920
Speaker 1: Okay, Justin Fields, I don't.

1907
01:43:57,680 --> 01:43:59,920
Speaker 3: See it now again. You know he played for the

1908
01:44:00,520 --> 01:44:02,679
Speaker 3: and the Bears. If they miss on Kayleb Williams, that's

1909
01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:06,920
Speaker 3: three misses on first round quarterbacks in the last decade alone,

1910
01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:09,280
Speaker 3: not to mention the fact that they haven't had a

1911
01:44:09,320 --> 01:44:12,519
Speaker 3: real one a real franchise quarterback since World War Two.

1912
01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:16,000
Speaker 3: I think he'll be fine with the Jets this year,

1913
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:18,400
Speaker 3: but he's never really been set up for success as well.

1914
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:22,240
Speaker 7: Bow Knicks, who's his coach.

1915
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:24,479
Speaker 3: I mean, what looks like finding the lottery ticket if

1916
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Speaker 3: you're a young quarterback, if you're going to play for

1917
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Speaker 3: as Sean Payton or Sean McVay or Kyle Shanahan. I

1918
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:32,880
Speaker 3: think Boex is for real because he's in the right

1919
01:44:33,080 --> 01:44:35,160
Speaker 3: infrastructure in Denver to continue to grow.

1920
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Speaker 1: Okay, let me give you two more here and then

1921
01:44:38,200 --> 01:44:41,720
Speaker 1: I want to talk esoterically about Indianapolis with it. But

1922
01:44:42,439 --> 01:44:45,519
Speaker 1: justin Herbert, Yeah.

1923
01:44:45,320 --> 01:44:46,800
Speaker 3: He's just only going to get better. I mean, do

1924
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:49,000
Speaker 3: you know the weapons he had last year? It was

1925
01:44:49,439 --> 01:44:51,120
Speaker 3: it was an offensive line in a run game. And

1926
01:44:51,120 --> 01:44:53,800
Speaker 3: then like lad Ma Conkley. So I think he's for real.

1927
01:44:53,960 --> 01:44:59,479
Speaker 1: Okay, Trevor Lawrence, that one.

1928
01:44:59,479 --> 01:45:02,160
Speaker 3: Gives me pause. I think he's made of the right stuff.

1929
01:45:02,160 --> 01:45:04,439
Speaker 3: But remember he was thrown into maybe the worst situation

1930
01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:07,040
Speaker 3: any quarterbacks faced as a rookie with Urban Meyer. His

1931
01:45:07,120 --> 01:45:09,760
Speaker 3: rookie year, he came out it with Doug Peterson, he

1932
01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:12,880
Speaker 3: got hurt, he leveled off. It's going to be really

1933
01:45:12,920 --> 01:45:15,920
Speaker 3: fascinating because I still do not trust that organization. And

1934
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:19,400
Speaker 3: this is another thing that Troykman brought up. He said,

1935
01:45:19,400 --> 01:45:22,320
Speaker 3: we're looking for all the great young quarterbacks. Everyone's asking

1936
01:45:22,360 --> 01:45:25,599
Speaker 3: where are these great young quarterbacks? Aikman's question is where

1937
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:29,280
Speaker 3: are the great young quarterback coaches? Because there's certainly some,

1938
01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:32,640
Speaker 3: there's certainly some. Ben Johnson is the new one, right,

1939
01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:35,160
Speaker 3: that's got the head job. But you got to wonder,

1940
01:45:35,200 --> 01:45:39,840
Speaker 3: like some of these coaches, they just absolutely mismanaged quarterbacks

1941
01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:41,719
Speaker 3: young earlier in their career.

1942
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:45,599
Speaker 1: See I you tell me Trevor LAWRENCEID I mentioned only

1943
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:48,479
Speaker 1: because it's AFC South, right, and you know he still

1944
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:51,760
Speaker 1: is young enough, and that Jacksonville team around him, if

1945
01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:54,720
Speaker 1: they put pieces there, I thought coming out, and I

1946
01:45:54,760 --> 01:45:57,920
Speaker 1: realized this now is not probably going to be fruition. Zach, Zach,

1947
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:00,400
Speaker 1: keep for our guests from the athletic. I thought coming out,

1948
01:46:00,439 --> 01:46:04,320
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence was the closest I'd seen to Peyton Manning size, touch,

1949
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:08,240
Speaker 1: understanding all of it right. But I also look at

1950
01:46:08,240 --> 01:46:10,000
Speaker 1: it and I go he was thrown to some guys

1951
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:14,240
Speaker 1: at Clemson that were all had separation, and so it

1952
01:46:14,280 --> 01:46:17,240
Speaker 1: was easier to get it within window. And so I

1953
01:46:17,240 --> 01:46:19,960
Speaker 1: guess my question is, was I looking at that through

1954
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:21,400
Speaker 1: Clemson colored glasses?

1955
01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:24,960
Speaker 3: I don't think so, Jake, because I remember watching that

1956
01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:28,000
Speaker 3: game against LSU right maybe the best college football team

1957
01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:30,360
Speaker 3: in the past twenty years, the LSU Tigers with Joe Burrow.

1958
01:46:31,120 --> 01:46:32,920
Speaker 3: Those guys weren't open in that game, and he was

1959
01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:35,040
Speaker 3: still finding ways to get that ball in there. I mean,

1960
01:46:35,080 --> 01:46:37,960
Speaker 3: that was some of the best college quarterbacking between Burrow

1961
01:46:38,120 --> 01:46:41,200
Speaker 3: and Trevor Lawrence that I've ever seen. So I don't

1962
01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:43,080
Speaker 3: think you were looking at it as a Clemson fan.

1963
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:46,120
Speaker 3: He was every bit what everyone thought he was. But

1964
01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:47,559
Speaker 3: this is the other part of it. This is why

1965
01:46:47,720 --> 01:46:51,200
Speaker 3: I wrote the entire story. Teams play a role in this.

1966
01:46:51,400 --> 01:46:52,000
Speaker 4: They just do.

1967
01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:54,479
Speaker 3: You can have Trevor Lawrence, you can have Andrew Luck.

1968
01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:58,040
Speaker 3: If you don't have the infrastructure in place, even the

1969
01:46:58,080 --> 01:47:00,920
Speaker 3: great ones are going to struggle. You see Trevor Lawrence

1970
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:03,400
Speaker 3: right now kind of in this abyss of whether we

1971
01:47:03,479 --> 01:47:04,880
Speaker 3: don't know if he's good or not, if he's a

1972
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:06,160
Speaker 3: leader or not, or if he's one of the best in

1973
01:47:06,200 --> 01:47:06,760
Speaker 3: the league or not.

1974
01:47:08,160 --> 01:47:10,919
Speaker 1: I thought Zach Keefer is our guest from the athletic,

1975
01:47:11,080 --> 01:47:14,040
Speaker 1: and you're writing about quarterbacks, and you know the making

1976
01:47:14,120 --> 01:47:17,040
Speaker 1: and breaking of quarterbacks and more specifically, how the NFL

1977
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:21,600
Speaker 1: just chews up and spits out quarterbacks. So let's go

1978
01:47:21,720 --> 01:47:27,519
Speaker 1: now to Indianapolis. Is the ice cream truck coming past that?

1979
01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:28,599
Speaker 7: It's my win time?

1980
01:47:28,760 --> 01:47:31,760
Speaker 3: But really, tell my kids if they hear that, you're

1981
01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:33,439
Speaker 3: gonna hear my kids on the other side, if it.

1982
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:34,840
Speaker 1: Was the ice cream truck, what would you get?

1983
01:47:36,600 --> 01:47:38,400
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, but I know they would be

1984
01:47:38,439 --> 01:47:40,760
Speaker 3: getting something, that's for sure. They're off school today. I

1985
01:47:40,760 --> 01:47:42,960
Speaker 3: don't know why Labor Day is over. Let's get back

1986
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:43,360
Speaker 3: to school.

1987
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:48,040
Speaker 1: It's a Tuesday. It feels like a Monday. Okay, Anthony Richardson,

1988
01:47:48,439 --> 01:47:52,000
Speaker 1: is this still Do you believe that Indianapolis still thinks

1989
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:55,640
Speaker 1: there's something there? Or are they giving window dressing to

1990
01:47:56,040 --> 01:47:57,760
Speaker 1: write out the year and then figure out what they're

1991
01:47:57,760 --> 01:47:59,559
Speaker 1: going to do with him?

1992
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:02,240
Speaker 3: You know, I don't think it's window dressing. I honestly

1993
01:48:02,240 --> 01:48:03,800
Speaker 3: believe what Chris Ballad has told me. I had a

1994
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:06,400
Speaker 3: long conversation with him this summer about this very topic,

1995
01:48:06,479 --> 01:48:09,360
Speaker 3: for this very story, and I pushed back a little bit,

1996
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:11,559
Speaker 3: and he said, even if he doesn't win the starting

1997
01:48:12,160 --> 01:48:15,360
Speaker 3: quarterback competition this summer. We're not giving up on him

1998
01:48:15,360 --> 01:48:17,360
Speaker 3: and we believe in him. So I think they've just

1999
01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:19,800
Speaker 3: done a hard reset here, right. They rushed him in

2000
01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:23,240
Speaker 3: too fast. They've admitted that he didn't hold up his

2001
01:48:23,320 --> 01:48:25,320
Speaker 3: end of the bargain, which is another part of this. Right,

2002
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:28,320
Speaker 3: he didn't prepare like you should have last year, And

2003
01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:30,719
Speaker 3: a big part of this that's getting missed, I think

2004
01:48:30,920 --> 01:48:34,800
Speaker 3: is he played well as a rookie. If you remember this,

2005
01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:38,439
Speaker 3: he played well those first four games. They signed Jonathan

2006
01:48:38,479 --> 01:48:41,200
Speaker 3: Taylor because they think they have the quarterback things figured out,

2007
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:43,400
Speaker 3: and then Richardson gets hurt for the year, and what

2008
01:48:43,439 --> 01:48:45,400
Speaker 3: does that mean. He's out of the building. And when

2009
01:48:45,439 --> 01:48:47,160
Speaker 3: he's out of the building, he doesn't get to see

2010
01:48:47,200 --> 01:48:49,760
Speaker 3: what a quarterback needs to do. Every day. I mean

2011
01:48:49,800 --> 01:48:51,479
Speaker 3: every day. I don't mean every week. I mean every

2012
01:48:51,560 --> 01:48:54,599
Speaker 3: day to get ready for Sunday. He comes back, he's

2013
01:48:54,640 --> 01:48:58,080
Speaker 3: handed the job, he doesn't have to earn it, and

2014
01:48:58,160 --> 01:48:59,240
Speaker 3: his preparation slips.

2015
01:48:59,240 --> 01:48:59,760
Speaker 4: Three weeks in.

2016
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:02,640
Speaker 3: Coach has noticed, he makes notice, etc. He's benched for

2017
01:49:02,720 --> 01:49:05,040
Speaker 3: lack of preparation. He taps out, I'm tired all that

2018
01:49:05,960 --> 01:49:08,000
Speaker 3: you need to build those daily habits, and he just

2019
01:49:08,040 --> 01:49:11,480
Speaker 3: didn't do that. So I think the Colts, as unpopular

2020
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:14,080
Speaker 3: as this sounds, I think they realize that they screwed

2021
01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:17,599
Speaker 3: this up. And this kid is still twenty three years old.

2022
01:49:17,640 --> 01:49:19,960
Speaker 3: He's only twenty three. He's like younger than some of

2023
01:49:19,960 --> 01:49:23,600
Speaker 3: the rookies that are starting this year, so there's no

2024
01:49:23,680 --> 01:49:26,680
Speaker 3: real rush. And maybe it's a little bit abnormal to

2025
01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:29,680
Speaker 3: wait on the fifth year option and all that that

2026
01:49:29,800 --> 01:49:33,679
Speaker 3: comes next year. But I think the Colts honestly believe

2027
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:36,960
Speaker 3: the best thing for Anthony Richardson right now is to

2028
01:49:37,080 --> 01:49:39,880
Speaker 3: sit and watch for a year and then see if

2029
01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:42,280
Speaker 3: he can reach his potential after that. That's my opinion.

2030
01:49:42,680 --> 01:49:44,880
Speaker 3: But from everyone I've talked to the last couple of months,

2031
01:49:44,920 --> 01:49:46,800
Speaker 3: that's where I think the Colts came down. As much

2032
01:49:46,800 --> 01:49:49,080
Speaker 3: as they've screwed this up to this point, they're not

2033
01:49:49,080 --> 01:49:51,840
Speaker 3: willing to screw it up further by making it worse.

2034
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:54,479
Speaker 1: Well, I guess the question becomes, Zach, is it possible

2035
01:49:54,520 --> 01:49:56,960
Speaker 1: that they have screwed this up to the point of

2036
01:49:57,000 --> 01:50:01,000
Speaker 1: no return even if they want to resurrect it. Is

2037
01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:04,439
Speaker 1: it possible that the damage has already been done in

2038
01:50:04,520 --> 01:50:06,439
Speaker 1: the fact that they you know. I go back to

2039
01:50:06,520 --> 01:50:10,280
Speaker 1: Chris Ballard saying Anthony Richardson has come miles from when

2040
01:50:10,320 --> 01:50:13,240
Speaker 1: he got here, and I say to myself, well, that's great,

2041
01:50:13,240 --> 01:50:15,599
Speaker 1: but that means that he was miles ago a guy

2042
01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:18,080
Speaker 1: that won the starting job, and now miles later is

2043
01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:19,360
Speaker 1: losing it to Daniel Jones.

2044
01:50:20,520 --> 01:50:23,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't track right. It doesn't add up right.

2045
01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:25,760
Speaker 3: They can't go back and change. And this is a

2046
01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:28,920
Speaker 3: conversation I had recently, is like Chris knew that this

2047
01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:31,639
Speaker 3: guy was going to take time. Like he I've talked

2048
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:33,800
Speaker 3: to him for years about quarterbacks, and he would be like,

2049
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:35,720
Speaker 3: you don't just draft one, you have to have a

2050
01:50:35,720 --> 01:50:38,679
Speaker 3: plane in place once they get here. And then we're

2051
01:50:38,720 --> 01:50:41,720
Speaker 3: still in this place where they talked about patients and

2052
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:43,760
Speaker 3: preached it and preached it. And then he gets here

2053
01:50:44,240 --> 01:50:46,320
Speaker 3: and they have a sham of a quarterback competition and

2054
01:50:46,320 --> 01:50:48,800
Speaker 3: they give him the job. So like all they did

2055
01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:51,160
Speaker 3: was talk about it, and they they didn't walk it,

2056
01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:54,200
Speaker 3: they didn't back it up. So at this point, I

2057
01:50:54,240 --> 01:50:56,120
Speaker 3: don't think it's too far gone. I don't think he's

2058
01:50:56,120 --> 01:50:59,599
Speaker 3: too far gone. What you're talking about, essentially are scars, right,

2059
01:50:59,640 --> 01:51:02,320
Speaker 3: That's what Bruce arians call them. These guys play too early,

2060
01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:05,000
Speaker 3: they develop bad habits, they're not brought up the right

2061
01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:06,920
Speaker 3: way in the league. And Alex Smith talked about this.

2062
01:51:07,160 --> 01:51:09,800
Speaker 3: His couple of years in San Francisco were a disaster

2063
01:51:11,120 --> 01:51:13,760
Speaker 3: and he would watch film alone right because he was

2064
01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:17,559
Speaker 3: just it was just disaster. And I don't think it's

2065
01:51:17,560 --> 01:51:20,200
Speaker 3: too late for Anthony Richardson. He's still young. This team

2066
01:51:20,240 --> 01:51:22,240
Speaker 3: still believes in him. And as I mentioned in the story,

2067
01:51:22,280 --> 01:51:24,679
Speaker 3: like there are guys that go and resurrect their career

2068
01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:27,240
Speaker 3: and play really well. I still think it's in them

2069
01:51:27,560 --> 01:51:31,120
Speaker 3: Sam Darnold, Baker, Mayfield, Gino Smith. Now for those guys,

2070
01:51:31,120 --> 01:51:33,479
Speaker 3: they had to go somewhere else and do it. The

2071
01:51:33,560 --> 01:51:36,920
Speaker 3: Colts still believe it can happen for Richardson here That

2072
01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:40,479
Speaker 3: would go against pretty much everything we know about the NFL.

2073
01:51:41,120 --> 01:51:43,960
Speaker 3: But again, these things are possible, and they're just taking

2074
01:51:43,960 --> 01:51:46,160
Speaker 3: the slow approach. And I think I don't think they're

2075
01:51:46,200 --> 01:51:47,719
Speaker 3: they're closing the book on him yet.

2076
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:50,760
Speaker 1: Do you think Zach Zach Keeper is our guest from

2077
01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:54,400
Speaker 1: the Athletic. Do you think that Daniel Jones is the

2078
01:51:54,439 --> 01:51:58,519
Speaker 1: starting quarterback of the Indianapolis Colts right now? Because more

2079
01:51:58,600 --> 01:52:01,280
Speaker 1: so of what the Colts believe. Even Daniel Jones are

2080
01:52:01,320 --> 01:52:04,240
Speaker 1: more so because of what they believe. Still they're trying

2081
01:52:04,240 --> 01:52:05,679
Speaker 1: to get out of Anthony Richardson.

2082
01:52:07,840 --> 01:52:10,439
Speaker 3: That's a good question, Jake to answer it.

2083
01:52:10,479 --> 01:52:12,080
Speaker 4: I think it's.

2084
01:52:13,320 --> 01:52:15,439
Speaker 3: I think. And then Matt Hasselbeck made this point in

2085
01:52:15,479 --> 01:52:17,400
Speaker 3: my story Times when you have one thing and that

2086
01:52:17,479 --> 01:52:21,840
Speaker 3: doesn't work, you overcompensate and go towards the other thing. Right, So,

2087
01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:24,799
Speaker 3: in a lot of ways, these guys are the opposite quarterback.

2088
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:27,519
Speaker 3: I know they're both athletic, but Jones is going to

2089
01:52:27,560 --> 01:52:30,680
Speaker 3: give you the consistency that down to down third and

2090
01:52:30,720 --> 01:52:32,680
Speaker 3: short as opposed to third and fifty and that kind

2091
01:52:32,680 --> 01:52:33,040
Speaker 3: of stuff.

2092
01:52:33,120 --> 01:52:33,320
Speaker 4: Right.

2093
01:52:33,400 --> 01:52:38,080
Speaker 3: I think Daniel Jones is the starter because he doesn't

2094
01:52:38,120 --> 01:52:40,559
Speaker 3: make the mistakes that Anthony Richardson does. I think at

2095
01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:42,400
Speaker 3: the end of the day, Shane Stycken just wanted a

2096
01:52:42,439 --> 01:52:45,679
Speaker 3: guy who's going to run his offense. Who's just going

2097
01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:47,599
Speaker 3: to run his offense. I think that was what they

2098
01:52:47,600 --> 01:52:52,519
Speaker 3: were going for, and he can live without the splash place.

2099
01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:53,080
Speaker 4: I think.

2100
01:52:53,120 --> 01:52:54,800
Speaker 3: You know, Bruce Arian said this in the story, and

2101
01:52:54,840 --> 01:52:57,400
Speaker 3: he was not talking about the Colts. He said, when

2102
01:52:57,400 --> 01:53:00,400
Speaker 3: I'm looking at a quarterback, I want accuracy over arms strength,

2103
01:53:00,760 --> 01:53:02,560
Speaker 3: and I literally just want a guy who's going to

2104
01:53:02,640 --> 01:53:05,000
Speaker 3: do the stuff we design. Like that's a super Bowl

2105
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:07,680
Speaker 3: winning coach who's been really good with a bunch of quarterbacks,

2106
01:53:07,720 --> 01:53:11,840
Speaker 3: Brady Manning, Luck, Roethlisberger, all those guys. You know what

2107
01:53:11,880 --> 01:53:14,880
Speaker 3: he's talking about. And he simplified it to that extent

2108
01:53:14,920 --> 01:53:16,519
Speaker 3: he said, I just want a guy who will do

2109
01:53:16,600 --> 01:53:19,080
Speaker 3: the stuff we design. I think more often than not,

2110
01:53:19,320 --> 01:53:21,800
Speaker 3: coaches believe that about themselves, that they can get this

2111
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:25,160
Speaker 3: done if the quarterback just runs their system. And I

2112
01:53:25,200 --> 01:53:28,040
Speaker 3: think that's what they see Daniel Jones doing this year.

2113
01:53:28,479 --> 01:53:31,160
Speaker 3: It worked pretty well the first year with Gardner Minshew.

2114
01:53:32,720 --> 01:53:32,920
Speaker 4: Zach.

2115
01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:38,840
Speaker 1: One of the things I mentioned earlier, Jonathan Taylor is

2116
01:53:38,920 --> 01:53:41,439
Speaker 1: such a good running back, and I think we lose

2117
01:53:41,479 --> 01:53:44,759
Speaker 1: sight of that because it's an NFL now that unless

2118
01:53:44,760 --> 01:53:46,679
Speaker 1: you have a running back that you're utilizing one hundred

2119
01:53:46,680 --> 01:53:49,479
Speaker 1: different ways in space, you know, Saquon Barklay type stuff.

2120
01:53:50,640 --> 01:53:54,280
Speaker 1: Just the offense of relying on your running back seems antiquated.

2121
01:53:54,960 --> 01:53:56,360
Speaker 1: But I think the cults are going to do that

2122
01:53:56,439 --> 01:53:59,960
Speaker 1: this year. Now. Do you believe that they have Dan

2123
01:54:00,040 --> 01:54:04,320
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones as a game managing quarterback in there because

2124
01:54:04,360 --> 01:54:06,799
Speaker 1: they are going to rely so heavily on Jonathan Taylor

2125
01:54:06,840 --> 01:54:10,200
Speaker 1: and maybe Tyler Warren. Or are they going to be

2126
01:54:10,280 --> 01:54:13,720
Speaker 1: reliant on Jonathan Taylor and Tyler Warren because they have

2127
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:16,040
Speaker 1: a guy in Daniel Jones that limits what they can do.

2128
01:54:17,320 --> 01:54:20,840
Speaker 3: A little bit of both. Probably the first, right, Like

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Speaker 3: I think you're going to see I think you're going

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Speaker 3: to see the twenty twenty three Colts with Gardner Minshew

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Speaker 3: on your center. He could make a couple of throws

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Speaker 3: a game. He's gonna throw a twenty twenty five times

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Speaker 3: a game. They're not going to take the top off

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Speaker 3: the defenses. They're going to lean heavily on twenty eight

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Speaker 3: and the thing that no one's talking about. And maybe

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Speaker 3: I'm wrong here, but I think this is a pretty

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01:54:41,960 --> 01:54:45,040
Speaker 3: good offense outside of the quarterback, really good running back.

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Speaker 3: Tyler Warren is a baller. I think he's going to

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01:54:46,880 --> 01:54:49,839
Speaker 3: be an a tight end from like the very beginning.

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01:54:49,920 --> 01:54:52,320
Speaker 3: I think they have a pretty good receiving core. And

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Speaker 3: that's even if ad Mitchell doesn't step up, and he might,

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Speaker 3: because he might get some separation because he's maybe the

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Speaker 3: most talented of the group. Pierce has proven it. Pittman

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Speaker 3: can do it. You know, downs is great underneath, like

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Speaker 3: they if the line in those spots that they had

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Speaker 3: to replace, if the line is solid, the running back

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Speaker 3: to tight end, the wide receiver room. I really like

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Speaker 3: this offense, and I just feel like the quarterback can

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Speaker 3: be a complimentary piece. And I feel like with Richardson

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Speaker 3: there was more variation and they just I mean, honestly,

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Speaker 3: it comes down to third downs, Like who do you

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Speaker 3: trust more on a third down? I think they trust

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Speaker 3: that Daniel Jones Moore on third downs and I feel

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01:55:28,120 --> 01:55:30,440
Speaker 3: like Steken will never say that, but that's just kind

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01:55:30,480 --> 01:55:32,440
Speaker 3: of where I feel, and you know, that's kind of

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Speaker 3: the way they decided how to do this.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Zach, last thing here in this piece that you

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Speaker 1: wrote for The Athletic about the NFL and just how

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Speaker 1: it can break quarterbacks and you know, and some of

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Speaker 1: those that escape the early trauma are special for sure.

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Speaker 1: Throughout your research in this in talking to quarterbacks, give

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01:55:52,920 --> 01:55:55,800
Speaker 1: me the former quarterback that you talk to that it

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01:55:56,040 --> 01:55:59,520
Speaker 1: most illuminated to you, and you most like had kind

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01:55:59,520 --> 01:56:01,640
Speaker 1: of an app to the fact respect of like, wow,

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Speaker 1: that guy really knows his stuff. And that was a

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01:56:04,720 --> 01:56:09,160
Speaker 1: great conversation and then give me the current quarterback that

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01:56:09,280 --> 01:56:13,760
Speaker 1: it most illuminated to you. What we see out of

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Speaker 1: them career wise to this point doesn't tell the whole story,

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01:56:17,040 --> 01:56:19,280
Speaker 1: and they deserve better benefit of the doubt.

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Speaker 3: That's really good. I learned a lot there in the story.

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Speaker 3: The one that jumped out the most was Alex Smith, right,

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01:56:27,200 --> 01:56:29,880
Speaker 3: And some people might know his story, but you probably

2173
01:56:29,880 --> 01:56:32,720
Speaker 3: don't know how dark it was. I mean, seven coordinators.

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Speaker 3: His first seven seasons in San Francisco, he had to

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01:56:36,040 --> 01:56:38,400
Speaker 3: yell at the sideline and ask the coaches if he

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01:56:38,440 --> 01:56:41,000
Speaker 3: could get into shotgun as a rookie, Like, think about

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Speaker 3: how ridiculous that is. They wouldn't let him run the

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Speaker 3: ball at all, despite the fact that he was a

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Speaker 3: really good rushing quarterback at Utah And Jim Harball gets

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Speaker 3: there seven years in and says, why don't you run it?

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01:56:51,200 --> 01:56:53,320
Speaker 3: And Alex Smith says, because I've never been allowed to.

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Speaker 3: He would watch film alone. He would hate home games

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01:56:56,880 --> 01:56:58,920
Speaker 3: because he knew he was going to get booed. He

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Speaker 3: was the old oldest core in the quarterback room his

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Speaker 3: first couple of years. He didn't even know these are

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Speaker 3: his words. He didn't even know what an NFL quarterback

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01:57:05,920 --> 01:57:09,160
Speaker 3: was supposed to look like. So him explaining all that

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01:57:09,200 --> 01:57:12,280
Speaker 3: and explaining what Jim Harball did and what Andy Reid

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01:57:12,280 --> 01:57:14,920
Speaker 3: did to save his career was really illuminated and it

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01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:16,960
Speaker 3: really made me think, I mean, Alex Smith was a

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01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:19,880
Speaker 3: good NFL quarterback, Pro Bowl quarterback. It really made me

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01:57:19,920 --> 01:57:23,120
Speaker 3: realize how dependent these guys, even the good ones, are

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Speaker 3: on where they land. I mean, Andrew Luck would have

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Speaker 3: been a baller anywhere he want, Peyton, etc. CJ. Stroud

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01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:32,640
Speaker 3: probably the same way. But those guys are rare, and

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Speaker 3: these guys are getting drafted every year to be saviors,

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Speaker 3: to be cure alls, and only one or two and

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Speaker 3: a generation really are. I mean, it's super rare. And

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Speaker 3: so I asked CJ. Stroud one of my favorite questions

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Speaker 3: is if you were drafting a quarterback, what would you

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Speaker 3: look for? I asked Andrew Luck and he said, processing

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Speaker 3: capacity and humility. He says, if you make a mistake,

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01:57:57,040 --> 01:58:00,280
Speaker 3: that's fine. Can you not make it again? And he said,

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Speaker 3: then you have to own up to that. Luck was

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Speaker 3: really good at that as a rookie. That's why he

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01:58:04,240 --> 01:58:08,800
Speaker 3: earned Freemy's respect and Matthus' respect and Reggie's respect because

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01:58:08,840 --> 01:58:12,160
Speaker 3: he didn't come in like he owned the place, and

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Speaker 3: that matters the locker room, the ability to win over

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Speaker 3: the locker room matters. And then I asked C. J.

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Speaker 3: Stroud the same question and talk about active quarterbacks, and

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01:58:18,960 --> 01:58:22,120
Speaker 3: he said I would interview every one of their college teammates.

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Speaker 3: And I thought that was really fascinating because essentially you

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01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:27,640
Speaker 3: can't fake that right. Either your teammates know if you're

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01:58:27,640 --> 01:58:29,440
Speaker 3: a real one or not. And I thought that was

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01:58:29,480 --> 01:58:32,280
Speaker 3: really fascinating because these guys walk in, I mean, Jake

2216
01:58:32,360 --> 01:58:35,600
Speaker 3: and what other American enterprise twenty two year old pups,

2217
01:58:35,640 --> 01:58:39,440
Speaker 3: his new colleagues, and essentially the face of the entire organization,

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01:58:39,680 --> 01:58:43,240
Speaker 3: a multi billion dollar organization. It just doesn't happen, and

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01:58:43,280 --> 01:58:46,000
Speaker 3: it's really hard, and it's even harder than we realize.

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Speaker 3: And from hearing from these guys, they kind of illuminated

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Speaker 3: just how impossible it can be at times.

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Speaker 1: Alex Smith, by the way, my favorite anecdote that I

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Speaker 1: give for two different things, Zach, I always say, often

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01:59:00,080 --> 01:59:02,880
Speaker 1: times you were evaluated not based on what you've done,

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01:59:02,920 --> 01:59:06,080
Speaker 1: but how you were acquired. Alex Smith was, you know

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01:59:06,120 --> 01:59:07,960
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like he was the number one overall

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01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:09,720
Speaker 1: pick in San France, so it was like, oh, he's

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01:59:09,760 --> 01:59:12,160
Speaker 1: a disaster. Then he goes to Kansas City and I

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01:59:12,160 --> 01:59:14,600
Speaker 1: think Washington, and it's like he was a really solid,

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Speaker 1: good quarterback, but they didn't invest the number one overall

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01:59:17,880 --> 01:59:20,880
Speaker 1: pick in him, and so therefore there's less expectation.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: Also, and Zach and I've mentioned this on the radio

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Speaker 1: a thousand times, but Alex Smith is part of my

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01:59:29,240 --> 01:59:32,600
Speaker 1: favorite trivia question of all time. Only once in this

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01:59:32,680 --> 01:59:35,480
Speaker 1: country has the number one overall selection in both the

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01:59:35,600 --> 01:59:38,200
Speaker 1: NFL and NBA draft come out of the same university

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01:59:38,280 --> 01:59:41,280
Speaker 1: in the same year, and it was Alex Smith and Andrew.

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Speaker 3: Bogan, Andrew Bogot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Andrew Bogot, according to the Boom goes the dynamite guy.

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Speaker 3: But yes, well that's a good point, Jake, because where

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01:59:50,200 --> 01:59:53,200
Speaker 3: was Anthony Richardson drafted fourth overall? He had no business

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01:59:53,280 --> 01:59:56,280
Speaker 3: going forth overall? Right, let's just be real, like fifty

2244
01:59:56,280 --> 01:59:59,840
Speaker 3: percent completion percentage with Burt in college started thirteen games.

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01:59:59,600 --> 02:00:01,200
Speaker 1: And if he it was a fourth round pick and

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Speaker 1: they were still working with and people go, yeah, that's.

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02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:04,880
Speaker 4: Cool, that's part of it.

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02:00:04,920 --> 02:00:07,440
Speaker 3: That's part of the infrastructure, and that's on the Colts,

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02:00:07,440 --> 02:00:09,640
Speaker 3: but every team does it as well. Every right team

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Speaker 3: does it as well.

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Speaker 1: Zach, appreciate it as always, man, I know you're busy.

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02:00:13,400 --> 02:00:15,960
Speaker 1: Appreciate you squeezing in in great peace on quarterbacks.

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02:00:16,520 --> 02:00:16,960
Speaker 3: Enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Zach Keifer from the Athletic joining us on

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Speaker 1: the program. All right, we mentioned it earlier. I'll kind

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Speaker 1: of recap for you again the big news as it

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Speaker 1: relates to what happened over the weekend in Nashville. Fever

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Speaker 1: in action tonight as well. But when we come back,

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Speaker 1: there is one familiar name in the Indiana sports landscape

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Speaker 1: that is going to be getting a change of address.

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Speaker 1: I'll let you know what I mean next. All right,

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Speaker 1: thanks to Zach Key for his time. If you're just

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Speaker 1: joining us, movie man, Thank you, Eddie. My name is

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02:00:51,080 --> 02:00:52,880
Speaker 1: Jay Quarry. Eddie Garrison's the other voice you hear on

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Speaker 1: this program. We call it Query and Company here on

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Speaker 1: the fan, and we are most appreciative of you giving

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Speaker 1: us part of your time this afternoon. JMV will be

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Speaker 1: up later today, obviously in this week where the Colts

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Speaker 1: are getting set to take on the Miami Dolphins to

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Speaker 1: kick off the NFL season. That is going to be

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Speaker 1: the main topic of conversation over the course of the week.

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Speaker 1: There we go. Those are the Dolphins tailgate by the way,

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Speaker 1: Slippery Noodle before the game for the fan, and the

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Speaker 1: noodle Marty Bacon and the Noodle. The noodle is the

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Speaker 1: absolute best oldest bar in Indiana right there at the

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Speaker 1: bar top and a great place to tailgate and get

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Speaker 1: ready before you head over to Lucas Soil Stadium on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: But new college football rankings are outd Jake. Have you

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Speaker 1: seen them?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Let me guess. No, I have not. And I was

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Speaker 1: going to get to what happened in Nashville. But let's

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Speaker 1: get to that real quick. For the college football rankings

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Speaker 1: that are you ready? Yeah, I'm ready. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: the bright squirrel that just ran across the room. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say number one in the land is

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Speaker 1: Ohio State. Okay, number two? Boy, things get dicey already

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02:01:57,560 --> 02:02:00,600
Speaker 1: because some of the teams I'm trying to think of

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Speaker 1: who I want it wouldn't have jumped that high. What

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02:02:05,520 --> 02:02:08,240
Speaker 1: conference for number two? All you're gonna know if I

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Speaker 1: tell you, but Big Ten, Oregon number two, sorry, Penn

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Speaker 1: State number two, yeah, sorry, okay, number three conference polease,

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Speaker 1: We'll do this for the top five, number three Conference

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Speaker 1: SEC out of the SEC third ranked. It would not

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Speaker 1: be Alabama because they lost. It would not be Texas

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Speaker 1: because they lost. I will go with LSU number three okay,

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Speaker 1: and number four Conference Police another SEC school. Oh, go

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02:02:42,280 --> 02:02:52,520
Speaker 1: with Tennessee Georgia okay and number five.

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Speaker 2: Do you want the conference again? Yes, ACC that would

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Speaker 2: be the Hurricanes of Miami. Okay. So the question is this,

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Speaker 2: where's Indiana? Indiana foll's three spots to twenty three, whereas

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Speaker 2: Notre Dame, the fighting Irish check in at number nine

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Speaker 2: worth Clemson number eight. Not terrible for Clemson. Florida State

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Speaker 2: goes from unranked to fourteenth. Alabama pummels to twenty first.

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Speaker 1: Okay. I thought over the weekend, I thought Notre Dame

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02:03:27,400 --> 02:03:29,640
Speaker 1: looked okay. I mean when I say okay, I mean

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Speaker 1: better than okay. I thought they're good, and going down

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Speaker 1: there and losing that game to Miami, I don't think

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Speaker 1: is terrible for them. I thought their quarterback, especially on

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Speaker 1: that last drive where they scored, showed a lot of moxy.

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Speaker 1: I was impressed by him. CJ.

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Speaker 4: Carr.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I just think that first off, Miami's got some playmakers,

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02:03:47,320 --> 02:03:50,080
Speaker 1: but I think and they have, you know, veteran quarterbacking,

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02:03:50,640 --> 02:03:53,760
Speaker 1: but I think also especially late in the game, and

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Speaker 1: I listened to you know who I listened to on

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Speaker 1: the broadcast, Eddie Nick Yeoman and I were driving back

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Speaker 1: from Nashville and we were listening to that game on

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Speaker 1: the radio. I listened to probably the first three quarters

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Speaker 1: on the radio, and I listened to a national broadcast

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Speaker 1: from JP Shadwick, our guy, our buddy down in Jacksonville,

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Speaker 1: our guy, JP, Let's go. I was really good. He

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Speaker 1: was very good. He sounds kind of like Kevin Harlan

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Speaker 1: and doing games, but he was I thought he did

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Speaker 1: a great job. And he mentioned this. I thought it

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Speaker 1: was a very good point, and I don't know if

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Speaker 1: the television broadcast did or not, but he was mentioning

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02:04:24,800 --> 02:04:28,720
Speaker 1: the how hot and humid and sticky it was down

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Speaker 1: there and how he felt like that was a huge

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Speaker 1: advantage for Miami in the trenches because Notre Dame just

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02:04:35,600 --> 02:04:38,000
Speaker 1: appeared to get worn down and it just you know

2332
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Speaker 1: what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Something that was a big theme across college football this

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Speaker 2: past week for me, Jake, is that you look at

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Speaker 2: the teams that struggled. You look at Texas, you look

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Speaker 2: at Ohio State, struggled offensively. You look at Indiana, look

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02:04:50,000 --> 02:04:52,919
Speaker 2: at Notre Dame, you look at some of these other teams.

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Speaker 2: They struggled a lot because there was a lot of

2339
02:04:54,960 --> 02:04:59,280
Speaker 2: new faces at quarterback going up against not in Indiana's case,

2340
02:04:59,280 --> 02:05:02,040
Speaker 2: by any means a tougher competition. So like, you have

2341
02:05:02,080 --> 02:05:03,920
Speaker 2: a lot of new faces at quarterback, they're trying to

2342
02:05:03,920 --> 02:05:07,080
Speaker 2: get used to things. And arch Manning's like first start

2343
02:05:07,120 --> 02:05:10,000
Speaker 2: as the true starter for the entire season, it's on

2344
02:05:10,040 --> 02:05:12,240
Speaker 2: the road against the best defense in college footbright, I

2345
02:05:12,240 --> 02:05:12,760
Speaker 2: mean tough.

2346
02:05:12,840 --> 02:05:16,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I thought CJ. Carr first row game, first

2347
02:05:16,160 --> 02:05:20,360
Speaker 1: career start on the road in Miami. I thought Ohio State.

2348
02:05:21,240 --> 02:05:24,640
Speaker 1: You know, clearly their defensive goal line stands were really impressive.

2349
02:05:24,640 --> 02:05:29,680
Speaker 1: I mean Ohio State was impressive. But I don't know

2350
02:05:29,760 --> 02:05:34,360
Speaker 1: that anybody, even Alabama, I don't know that any of

2351
02:05:34,440 --> 02:05:38,280
Speaker 1: the they looked lethargic. They did. But at the same time,

2352
02:05:38,320 --> 02:05:40,560
Speaker 1: I think Florida State, we might find out, is actually

2353
02:05:40,560 --> 02:05:43,760
Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah, And so I don't know that anybody

2354
02:05:43,840 --> 02:05:50,000
Speaker 1: had a devastating loss. Nashville super Speedway over the weekend,

2355
02:05:51,280 --> 02:05:57,120
Speaker 1: the win went to Joseph Newgarden, and I get it.

2356
02:05:57,200 --> 02:06:01,880
Speaker 1: I totally understand that in a week when we're getting

2357
02:06:01,880 --> 02:06:04,840
Speaker 1: ready to talk about the NFL season kicking off and

2358
02:06:04,880 --> 02:06:07,760
Speaker 1: the Colts and Dolphins, you know, Indy car is more

2359
02:06:07,800 --> 02:06:10,280
Speaker 1: of an esoteric sport. I totally understand it. But this

2360
02:06:10,360 --> 02:06:12,720
Speaker 1: is the start of the silly season, as they call it,

2361
02:06:13,400 --> 02:06:17,160
Speaker 1: meaning all of the speculation and conversation about where drivers

2362
02:06:17,160 --> 02:06:20,280
Speaker 1: are going to end up, and we saw the biggest

2363
02:06:20,280 --> 02:06:23,360
Speaker 1: domino of those fall earlier today. And without going you know,

2364
02:06:23,360 --> 02:06:25,800
Speaker 1: I don't need to rehash all of the background on

2365
02:06:25,840 --> 02:06:28,480
Speaker 1: will Power and the respect that I have for him

2366
02:06:28,520 --> 02:06:30,480
Speaker 1: as a driver and how good he has been over

2367
02:06:30,480 --> 02:06:32,520
Speaker 1: the course of his career. I think most people know

2368
02:06:33,760 --> 02:06:38,280
Speaker 1: and you don't have to be a race fan to

2369
02:06:38,400 --> 02:06:42,200
Speaker 1: appreciate that will Power is a driver who his wife

2370
02:06:42,200 --> 02:06:45,240
Speaker 1: has had a lot of health challenges. He was tending

2371
02:06:45,280 --> 02:06:50,120
Speaker 1: to that he was dealing with a lot when people

2372
02:06:50,160 --> 02:06:53,520
Speaker 1: started to wonder if his career was just hitting kind

2373
02:06:53,520 --> 02:06:56,800
Speaker 1: of a stagnant period. And I think we can actually

2374
02:06:56,880 --> 02:06:58,880
Speaker 1: look at it and say, look, he was dealing with

2375
02:06:59,000 --> 02:07:01,760
Speaker 1: a lot, and that's dificult to do. And he gets

2376
02:07:01,800 --> 02:07:05,120
Speaker 1: a lot of credit for overcoming all of that. With

2377
02:07:05,320 --> 02:07:08,920
Speaker 1: that said, it was announced earlier today in fact, that

2378
02:07:08,960 --> 02:07:13,320
Speaker 1: Will Power, whose contract is up, will not return with

2379
02:07:13,400 --> 02:07:18,840
Speaker 1: Team Penske, and I know that his wife. In a

2380
02:07:18,960 --> 02:07:24,560
Speaker 1: documentary that was being filmed about Indy Car the one

2381
02:07:24,640 --> 02:07:29,000
Speaker 1: Hundred Days to Indie, one of the episodes, Liz Power,

2382
02:07:29,400 --> 02:07:33,000
Speaker 1: Will's wife, is on camera saying, I think it's time

2383
02:07:33,000 --> 02:07:34,560
Speaker 1: for you to go to a new team. I think

2384
02:07:34,600 --> 02:07:38,600
Speaker 1: you need a change of scenery. I'm paraphrasing, but I

2385
02:07:38,640 --> 02:07:44,480
Speaker 1: know that Penske. Team Penske viewed the episode before it

2386
02:07:44,560 --> 02:07:47,200
Speaker 1: went to air to make sure they were okay with it,

2387
02:07:47,200 --> 02:07:49,640
Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, I mean, we get it. So

2388
02:07:50,200 --> 02:07:53,160
Speaker 1: maybe it's a change of scenery that's best for everybody.

2389
02:07:53,360 --> 02:07:55,040
Speaker 1: I do believe that Will Power is going to stay

2390
02:07:55,040 --> 02:07:59,880
Speaker 1: in the series. And let me explain. Colton Hurda is

2391
02:08:00,200 --> 02:08:03,200
Speaker 1: with Andretti Global. His father, Brian Hurda, is also part

2392
02:08:03,240 --> 02:08:06,360
Speaker 1: of the team. Colton Hurda has long had aspiration, as

2393
02:08:06,360 --> 02:08:08,160
Speaker 1: have a lot of drivers, to go to Formula One,

2394
02:08:08,280 --> 02:08:12,120
Speaker 1: and with Andretti Global being a part of the Cadillac

2395
02:08:12,160 --> 02:08:15,120
Speaker 1: Formula One team, there has been a lot of speculation

2396
02:08:15,200 --> 02:08:19,000
Speaker 1: as to what driver, what American driver they would ultimately

2397
02:08:19,000 --> 02:08:22,480
Speaker 1: put in that seat. Alexander Rossi's name has been mentioned

2398
02:08:22,480 --> 02:08:25,440
Speaker 1: before because he has history with Andretti, but Colton hurd

2399
02:08:25,480 --> 02:08:27,880
Speaker 1: His name has been the most consistent name. But to

2400
02:08:27,960 --> 02:08:30,800
Speaker 1: drive in Formula one, you need what's called a super license.

2401
02:08:31,200 --> 02:08:34,240
Speaker 1: It's basically a clearance license that you can race in

2402
02:08:34,320 --> 02:08:39,280
Speaker 1: that series in IndyCar by decision of Formula One, not IndyCar.

2403
02:08:39,800 --> 02:08:42,880
Speaker 1: IndyCar does not qualify one for a super license. It

2404
02:08:42,920 --> 02:08:46,760
Speaker 1: is not part of that program or points system, if

2405
02:08:46,760 --> 02:08:49,280
Speaker 1: you will, however you want to word it. So for

2406
02:08:49,320 --> 02:08:52,920
Speaker 1: Colton Hurda to get a super license to run in

2407
02:08:53,040 --> 02:08:56,680
Speaker 1: Formula one and drive for Anddretti Global, he would need

2408
02:08:56,720 --> 02:08:59,360
Speaker 1: to go over and race in a series that Formula

2409
02:08:59,360 --> 02:09:04,440
Speaker 1: one sanctions or approves of for that license. Formula two

2410
02:09:04,800 --> 02:09:07,360
Speaker 1: is essentially the Triple A of Formula one in Europe

2411
02:09:08,160 --> 02:09:13,880
Speaker 1: and Colton hurd A, I'm here to tell you at least,

2412
02:09:14,280 --> 02:09:16,080
Speaker 1: and maybe this has been announced since we've been on

2413
02:09:16,080 --> 02:09:18,440
Speaker 1: the air today, I don't think anything has come out,

2414
02:09:18,560 --> 02:09:22,520
Speaker 1: but I will tell you that two different people that

2415
02:09:22,680 --> 02:09:28,720
Speaker 1: would know both said to me when I asked, is

2416
02:09:28,760 --> 02:09:32,440
Speaker 1: Colton Hurda going to F two. Both of them said

2417
02:09:32,440 --> 02:09:37,360
Speaker 1: to me, I can't tell you that, but I'm not

2418
02:09:37,400 --> 02:09:44,120
Speaker 1: going to deny that. So I believe with certainty that

2419
02:09:44,280 --> 02:09:47,000
Speaker 1: unless something changes in the eleventh hour, that Colton Hurda

2420
02:09:47,120 --> 02:09:49,480
Speaker 1: is going to go to F two. When that takes place,

2421
02:09:50,080 --> 02:09:54,600
Speaker 1: it is, I'm here to tell you. The other thing

2422
02:09:54,640 --> 02:09:58,120
Speaker 1: that I was told was yeah, basically that will Power

2423
02:09:58,160 --> 02:10:00,960
Speaker 1: will take that seat, and will Power will drive for

2424
02:10:01,000 --> 02:10:03,920
Speaker 1: Andretti Global in the seat that belonged to Colton Herda.

2425
02:10:04,360 --> 02:10:08,240
Speaker 1: Will Power's seat, the number twelve car for Team Penske

2426
02:10:09,360 --> 02:10:13,000
Speaker 1: will be filled by David Malucas, who his father owns

2427
02:10:13,040 --> 02:10:15,800
Speaker 1: a huge trucking company in Chicago. I would imagine there

2428
02:10:15,960 --> 02:10:19,440
Speaker 1: is some business partnership that takes place there as well

2429
02:10:19,480 --> 02:10:21,520
Speaker 1: with Penske Trucking. I mean, those things are above my

2430
02:10:21,600 --> 02:10:25,120
Speaker 1: pay grade, but David Malucas is not getting that opportunity

2431
02:10:25,160 --> 02:10:29,000
Speaker 1: because of daddy's purse strings. David Malucas is getting that

2432
02:10:29,040 --> 02:10:32,400
Speaker 1: opportunity because David Lucas is an incredibly highly thought of

2433
02:10:33,040 --> 02:10:36,080
Speaker 1: young rising star within open wheel racing and in particular

2434
02:10:36,120 --> 02:10:39,160
Speaker 1: on OVAL's But he is a flat out talent, no

2435
02:10:39,320 --> 02:10:42,440
Speaker 1: question about it. He originally was signed by Aero McLaren.

2436
02:10:42,480 --> 02:10:46,040
Speaker 1: He had a bicycling accident that cost him races that

2437
02:10:46,280 --> 02:10:49,320
Speaker 1: then led to a void of contract from Aero McLaren

2438
02:10:49,720 --> 02:10:52,080
Speaker 1: and he ended up in that aj Foyt Racing car.

2439
02:10:52,560 --> 02:10:54,880
Speaker 1: Then you say, okay, So if Malucas is going to

2440
02:10:54,920 --> 02:10:59,640
Speaker 1: fill will Power's seat, and will Power goes and fills

2441
02:10:59,760 --> 02:11:02,280
Speaker 1: cold and heard a seat and Colton Hurda goes to

2442
02:11:02,360 --> 02:11:05,520
Speaker 1: F two, then that means that David Malucas's seat is

2443
02:11:05,600 --> 02:11:09,120
Speaker 1: now in this musical chairs, the empty one. That becomes

2444
02:11:09,160 --> 02:11:13,040
Speaker 1: a little trickier. But the driver that I've been told

2445
02:11:13,720 --> 02:11:17,240
Speaker 1: because there is a technical alliance between aj Foyt Racing

2446
02:11:17,480 --> 02:11:23,200
Speaker 1: and Penske, and that technical alliance was originally signed because

2447
02:11:23,400 --> 02:11:26,640
Speaker 1: it was believed that they wanted to have a place,

2448
02:11:26,720 --> 02:11:30,360
Speaker 1: meaning Team Penske, to get David Malucas in the building

2449
02:11:30,400 --> 02:11:35,920
Speaker 1: and in kind of indirectly their umbrella. Renu's Vk is

2450
02:11:35,960 --> 02:11:39,640
Speaker 1: a driver that I've been told that Team Penske has

2451
02:11:39,880 --> 02:11:43,280
Speaker 1: been monitoring and that they really like Renus VK's talent

2452
02:11:43,760 --> 02:11:46,200
Speaker 1: and would like to get him within their umbrella, but

2453
02:11:46,240 --> 02:11:48,880
Speaker 1: they've just never been able to from a timing standpoint,

2454
02:11:48,960 --> 02:11:53,040
Speaker 1: make that work and this would be their in VK.

2455
02:11:53,200 --> 02:11:57,000
Speaker 1: Would make sense because even though he drives for deal

2456
02:11:57,080 --> 02:11:58,600
Speaker 1: coin and has had a really good year this year,

2457
02:11:58,600 --> 02:12:01,320
Speaker 1: and dal Coyn now has a lot of sponsorship backing

2458
02:12:01,400 --> 02:12:04,360
Speaker 1: with Askri and Todd Alt, who is the gentleman in

2459
02:12:04,440 --> 02:12:09,560
Speaker 1: charge of that Renus VK contractually I think, would be

2460
02:12:09,600 --> 02:12:13,760
Speaker 1: seeking a higher salary than dale Coin would be ready

2461
02:12:13,840 --> 02:12:16,960
Speaker 1: or willing to pay. No knock on either one of

2462
02:12:16,960 --> 02:12:21,080
Speaker 1: those individuals, just the reality of it. Larry Foyt, who

2463
02:12:21,120 --> 02:12:25,080
Speaker 1: oversees aj Foyt Racing Enterprises, also would be in the

2464
02:12:25,080 --> 02:12:28,280
Speaker 1: same situation as dale Coin of not being able necessarily

2465
02:12:28,320 --> 02:12:31,120
Speaker 1: to provide the funding that renus VK would like in

2466
02:12:31,200 --> 02:12:33,879
Speaker 1: terms of getting paid the same level as other drivers,

2467
02:12:33,880 --> 02:12:38,280
Speaker 1: and rightly so. But if Penske is involved, they might

2468
02:12:38,320 --> 02:12:40,880
Speaker 1: be able to help with that. That remains to be

2469
02:12:40,920 --> 02:12:43,840
Speaker 1: seen whether or not that happens. If that were to

2470
02:12:43,880 --> 02:12:47,440
Speaker 1: take place, though, then that dale Coin racing seat becomes available.

2471
02:12:48,200 --> 02:12:51,880
Speaker 1: Connor Daly I would think would have a shot at

2472
02:12:51,880 --> 02:12:54,080
Speaker 1: that if he were to leave whom coast hauling a

2473
02:12:54,200 --> 02:12:57,000
Speaker 1: racing daily is going to be able to bring AMPM

2474
02:12:57,040 --> 02:13:01,160
Speaker 1: sponsorship money, it would seem and He could either use

2475
02:13:01,200 --> 02:13:04,240
Speaker 1: that to stay with Hunks Hollinger Racing. He could use

2476
02:13:04,280 --> 02:13:06,760
Speaker 1: that to try to go to another seat, perhaps even

2477
02:13:06,840 --> 02:13:09,600
Speaker 1: David Malucas's seat, the number four car and a team

2478
02:13:09,640 --> 02:13:13,960
Speaker 1: that he once drove for with aj Foyt and Hukos

2479
02:13:14,000 --> 02:13:18,880
Speaker 1: Hollinger may well be merging with Prema Racing that spent

2480
02:13:18,920 --> 02:13:21,240
Speaker 1: a lot of money to get their program off the

2481
02:13:21,240 --> 02:13:23,760
Speaker 1: ground this year, but might be looking to condense that

2482
02:13:23,800 --> 02:13:26,720
Speaker 1: a little bit and go with one car which we brought,

2483
02:13:26,840 --> 02:13:30,480
Speaker 1: which would be Robert Schwartzman, and combine that with Stingray,

2484
02:13:30,560 --> 02:13:33,440
Speaker 1: Rob with Hunkos Hollinger, and then perhaps Connor Daly or

2485
02:13:33,480 --> 02:13:38,040
Speaker 1: somebody else where. Connor Daly could go and then maybe

2486
02:13:38,040 --> 02:13:40,560
Speaker 1: it's just a two car of Schwartzman and Island and

2487
02:13:40,840 --> 02:13:44,080
Speaker 1: excuse me and Stingray. Rob calum Ilot would be out

2488
02:13:44,080 --> 02:13:46,000
Speaker 1: for Prema. I think he's probably going to go back

2489
02:13:46,040 --> 02:13:50,120
Speaker 1: to Europe. Really talented driver, likable guy. But that just

2490
02:13:50,120 --> 02:13:52,160
Speaker 1: depends on whether not Premo wants to stay with two

2491
02:13:52,200 --> 02:13:56,080
Speaker 1: cars or go with one and condense down into with

2492
02:13:56,200 --> 02:13:59,560
Speaker 1: Hunkos Hollinger. Miles Row is another name, by the way,

2493
02:13:59,600 --> 02:14:02,440
Speaker 1: who won one in the NTT or excuse me, in

2494
02:14:02,480 --> 02:14:08,600
Speaker 1: the Indie Next Series in Nashville and Roger Penske and

2495
02:14:08,640 --> 02:14:11,520
Speaker 1: that team. I think really like Miles Row, but he

2496
02:14:11,640 --> 02:14:13,600
Speaker 1: is going to be one more year with Rod Reed

2497
02:14:13,640 --> 02:14:18,240
Speaker 1: and Force Racing and HMD Motorsports, Force Indy Racing in

2498
02:14:18,240 --> 02:14:21,360
Speaker 1: Indian next next year, and then I think you will

2499
02:14:21,400 --> 02:14:25,280
Speaker 1: see him probably go in through the foight umbrella up

2500
02:14:25,360 --> 02:14:28,920
Speaker 1: into a Penske opportunity at some point in his career.

2501
02:14:29,680 --> 02:14:31,800
Speaker 1: So that is probably way more than a lot of

2502
02:14:31,840 --> 02:14:34,880
Speaker 1: you were bargaining for in terms of your IndyCar update.

2503
02:14:34,920 --> 02:14:39,080
Speaker 1: But that's where Silly Season stands right now. We'll come back.

2504
02:14:39,120 --> 02:14:40,920
Speaker 1: We'll put a tie on what Eddie and I were

2505
02:14:40,960 --> 02:14:44,240
Speaker 1: saying about the NFL and our three teams of prediction

2506
02:14:44,960 --> 02:14:46,960
Speaker 1: and as well hand it off to John as part

2507
02:14:46,960 --> 02:14:48,760
Speaker 1: of our Love Heating and Air crossover. We'll do it

2508
02:14:48,760 --> 02:14:55,440
Speaker 1: all next Okay, So earlier we mentioned somebody said that

2509
02:14:55,480 --> 02:14:59,600
Speaker 1: I said esoteric too many times today, My apologies, I

2510
02:15:00,080 --> 02:15:00,400
Speaker 1: we did.

2511
02:15:00,400 --> 02:15:00,640
Speaker 4: Though.

2512
02:15:01,920 --> 02:15:04,760
Speaker 1: It's funny. You do three hours of talking, sometimes you

2513
02:15:04,800 --> 02:15:06,760
Speaker 1: do get words you get hung up on, and that

2514
02:15:06,840 --> 02:15:13,040
Speaker 1: probably is one. So if you heard it repeatedly, that

2515
02:15:13,080 --> 02:15:16,520
Speaker 1: means esoterically you are one of those that listens for

2516
02:15:16,520 --> 02:15:19,480
Speaker 1: a long time, which is much, very much appreciated. Believe me,

2517
02:15:19,560 --> 02:15:23,040
Speaker 1: we thank you, we do. We were talking about the

2518
02:15:23,160 --> 02:15:27,000
Speaker 1: NFL season upcoming and the three teams, and several people

2519
02:15:27,080 --> 02:15:32,880
Speaker 1: chimed in, which I appreciate on the text line at

2520
02:15:32,880 --> 02:15:34,880
Speaker 1: two three nine ten seventy. You can also do so

2521
02:15:35,000 --> 02:15:39,360
Speaker 1: to my personal phone. But teams that, and there are

2522
02:15:39,400 --> 02:15:45,240
Speaker 1: always three categories on this NFL teams that there is

2523
02:15:45,280 --> 02:15:50,320
Speaker 1: a lot of expectation towards and the assumption is that

2524
02:15:50,360 --> 02:15:53,400
Speaker 1: they're going to be good or be a contender. And

2525
02:15:53,480 --> 02:15:57,960
Speaker 1: sometime around Halloween into early November, we look at each

2526
02:15:58,000 --> 02:16:02,760
Speaker 1: other and go, or are they not very good? The

2527
02:16:02,760 --> 02:16:07,360
Speaker 1: Bengals of a year ago? Correct, the Bengals were dinged up, admittedly,

2528
02:16:07,440 --> 02:16:09,560
Speaker 1: but you kept waiting for it to get going right

2529
02:16:09,600 --> 02:16:10,520
Speaker 1: and it just never did.

2530
02:16:10,640 --> 02:16:13,000
Speaker 2: You just thought that defense would get better, and yeah,

2531
02:16:13,080 --> 02:16:14,000
Speaker 2: it did not get better.

2532
02:16:14,840 --> 02:16:16,440
Speaker 1: So the Bengals of a year ago are a good

2533
02:16:16,480 --> 02:16:18,360
Speaker 1: way of saying it. I'm going to go with and

2534
02:16:18,400 --> 02:16:20,760
Speaker 1: I love Jayden Daniels. I think he's a My sister

2535
02:16:20,800 --> 02:16:22,560
Speaker 1: has become a huge fan of his. I think he's

2536
02:16:22,760 --> 02:16:25,280
Speaker 1: a really fun player to watch, seemingly a really good guy.

2537
02:16:26,520 --> 02:16:30,320
Speaker 1: But because of that, there's just so much expectation. I'm

2538
02:16:30,360 --> 02:16:34,440
Speaker 1: gonna say that Washington takes kind of a step back

2539
02:16:34,480 --> 02:16:36,840
Speaker 1: from a year ago, and that's my team that I'll

2540
02:16:36,840 --> 02:16:37,560
Speaker 1: go with on this.

2541
02:16:37,959 --> 02:16:40,560
Speaker 2: I went with Houston just because I think there's so

2542
02:16:40,600 --> 02:16:45,039
Speaker 2: many question marks offensively, new offensive coordinator, what does that

2543
02:16:45,080 --> 02:16:48,680
Speaker 2: offensive line look like? They traded their all pro left

2544
02:16:48,680 --> 02:16:54,760
Speaker 2: tackle Laremy Tunsel to Washington. They have three new receivers

2545
02:16:54,840 --> 02:16:59,959
Speaker 2: next to Nico Collins who can't stay healthy, Joe mix It.

2546
02:17:00,640 --> 02:17:02,920
Speaker 2: There's no idea if Jill Mixon's even going to be

2547
02:17:02,959 --> 02:17:07,800
Speaker 2: playing this upcoming season. Nick Cassario, the general manager, did

2548
02:17:07,800 --> 02:17:09,960
Speaker 2: not comment on whether or not he anticipated or when

2549
02:17:09,959 --> 02:17:12,720
Speaker 2: he anticipates Jill Mixon being back. He's dealing with what

2550
02:17:12,879 --> 02:17:15,520
Speaker 2: isak a foot issue or an ankle issue. Nobody really knows.

2551
02:17:15,560 --> 02:17:19,280
Speaker 2: They're bringing Nick Chubb, who has had two major knee injuries,

2552
02:17:19,280 --> 02:17:22,480
Speaker 2: and he just doesn't look like Nick Chubb anymore. They

2553
02:17:22,560 --> 02:17:24,760
Speaker 2: drafted what he marks a fourth rounder at a usc

2554
02:17:25,440 --> 02:17:27,800
Speaker 2: In the defense, you know, take a step from good

2555
02:17:27,800 --> 02:17:30,480
Speaker 2: to great to make that team good, to make that team,

2556
02:17:30,879 --> 02:17:32,440
Speaker 2: you know, good enough to make the playoffs.

2557
02:17:32,800 --> 02:17:35,520
Speaker 1: Okay, Todd chimes in who's in our fantasy league, says

2558
02:17:35,520 --> 02:17:37,920
Speaker 1: that his surprise team to be good this year is

2559
02:17:37,920 --> 02:17:40,920
Speaker 1: going to be the Bears, a popular pick. I think

2560
02:17:40,959 --> 02:17:43,200
Speaker 1: a lot of people think that his surprise team to

2561
02:17:43,240 --> 02:17:46,720
Speaker 1: be bad. That we were just talking about Detroit. As

2562
02:17:46,720 --> 02:17:49,160
Speaker 1: for the team that we think could surprisingly be good,

2563
02:17:49,240 --> 02:17:51,920
Speaker 1: this is one that nobody really talks about. You don't

2564
02:17:51,959 --> 02:17:56,320
Speaker 1: necessarily see them leading off anything if conversation, and then

2565
02:17:56,400 --> 02:18:00,320
Speaker 1: all of a sudden in November, you go, these guys

2566
02:18:00,320 --> 02:18:02,720
Speaker 1: are six and three, Like, are they do we need

2567
02:18:02,760 --> 02:18:05,040
Speaker 1: to start taking them seriously? Here I go with the

2568
02:18:05,160 --> 02:18:06,720
Speaker 1: Las Vegas Raiders.

2569
02:18:07,120 --> 02:18:09,240
Speaker 2: I think also in that category from a year ago,

2570
02:18:09,320 --> 02:18:10,760
Speaker 2: Jake is the Denver Broncos.

2571
02:18:11,200 --> 02:18:11,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2572
02:18:11,760 --> 02:18:13,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, Denver's a really good example of this, right because

2573
02:18:14,040 --> 02:18:17,480
Speaker 1: a year ago you're like, young quarterback, what and then yeah,

2574
02:18:17,560 --> 02:18:19,680
Speaker 1: before you know it, you're going, wait, do we have

2575
02:18:19,720 --> 02:18:20,879
Speaker 1: to take these guys seriously?

2576
02:18:21,280 --> 02:18:25,600
Speaker 2: I went with the New England Patriots because in their division,

2577
02:18:25,760 --> 02:18:28,880
Speaker 2: I guess they do have Buffalo, but they have Miami,

2578
02:18:28,920 --> 02:18:31,720
Speaker 2: who nobody really knows anything about. They've got New York

2579
02:18:31,760 --> 02:18:34,440
Speaker 2: who nobody really knows anything about. They've got a young

2580
02:18:34,520 --> 02:18:36,879
Speaker 2: quarterback who's entering year two in Drake May. They bring

2581
02:18:36,920 --> 02:18:39,840
Speaker 2: any veteran head coach and Mike Rabel that knows.

2582
02:18:39,720 --> 02:18:40,160
Speaker 1: How to win.

2583
02:18:40,320 --> 02:18:43,160
Speaker 2: You bring back Josh McDaniels, and you give Drake May

2584
02:18:43,200 --> 02:18:46,240
Speaker 2: a competent coordinator. Things may start to look up for

2585
02:18:46,280 --> 02:18:48,600
Speaker 2: the New England Patriots and they've got a very favorable schedule.

2586
02:18:48,680 --> 02:18:48,879
Speaker 4: You know.

2587
02:18:48,920 --> 02:18:53,080
Speaker 1: The reality is when it comes to when it comes

2588
02:18:53,120 --> 02:18:58,440
Speaker 1: to the Jets, I think we have plenty to know

2589
02:18:58,480 --> 02:19:03,240
Speaker 1: about right well, and new head coach Aaron Glenn Justin Fields, Yeah,

2590
02:19:03,400 --> 02:19:05,920
Speaker 1: Justin Field's a bit of a curveball, Okay. Then the

2591
02:19:06,000 --> 02:19:08,040
Speaker 1: last group is this and that is the team. I

2592
02:19:08,120 --> 02:19:11,360
Speaker 1: think you nailed this one, Eddie. Every year there is

2593
02:19:11,400 --> 02:19:12,880
Speaker 1: a team, and it was the Colts a couple of

2594
02:19:12,959 --> 02:19:15,240
Speaker 1: years ago, I mean the year of the All of

2595
02:19:15,280 --> 02:19:17,440
Speaker 1: a sudden, out of nowhere, It's like Matt Ryan has

2596
02:19:17,440 --> 02:19:19,120
Speaker 1: been benched for the rest of the year and Sam

2597
02:19:19,160 --> 02:19:22,800
Speaker 1: Ellinger is a starter. It's like what, And then the

2598
02:19:22,800 --> 02:19:25,600
Speaker 1: Colts have a new head coach. It's Jeff Saturday, and

2599
02:19:25,640 --> 02:19:29,120
Speaker 1: I love Jeff Saturday, but it was like what, there's

2600
02:19:29,200 --> 02:19:33,320
Speaker 1: always a team where just everything hits the fan and

2601
02:19:33,440 --> 02:19:36,840
Speaker 1: just nothing. Every door is locked, there's turmoil, there's rumors

2602
02:19:36,840 --> 02:19:39,920
Speaker 1: of players not getting along, a head coach doesn't get

2603
02:19:39,920 --> 02:19:43,440
Speaker 1: along with the star. There's just drama. It's non stop.

2604
02:19:43,840 --> 02:19:48,280
Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys Honorary Award, Dallas. We're not

2605
02:19:48,360 --> 02:19:50,280
Speaker 1: even giving it to because this has been their mo

2606
02:19:50,480 --> 02:19:55,760
Speaker 1: for thirty years. But sorry, Jeremiah. The team that is

2607
02:19:55,800 --> 02:19:58,440
Speaker 1: going to be drama filled this year and as a result,

2608
02:19:58,720 --> 02:20:01,360
Speaker 1: just can't get out of their own way and things

2609
02:20:01,440 --> 02:20:04,640
Speaker 1: go wrong for them, I think personally. And I know

2610
02:20:04,720 --> 02:20:08,320
Speaker 1: this is crazy to say, because they're massively talented and

2611
02:20:08,360 --> 02:20:12,720
Speaker 1: they're likable and they have really good pieces. But Nick

2612
02:20:12,800 --> 02:20:15,800
Speaker 1: Sirianni and I love the guy, but he's a little

2613
02:20:15,840 --> 02:20:19,760
Speaker 1: bit edgy. And when you're coming off the super Bowl,

2614
02:20:19,760 --> 02:20:22,800
Speaker 1: there's expectation, and it's a big market where there's a

2615
02:20:22,840 --> 02:20:25,680
Speaker 1: lot of you know, just it gets tough and challenging.

2616
02:20:26,120 --> 02:20:29,440
Speaker 1: I'll see Philadelphia as the team this year that just

2617
02:20:29,600 --> 02:20:32,840
Speaker 1: keeps kind of bumping into themselves. Eddie, you went with

2618
02:20:32,879 --> 02:20:35,000
Speaker 1: what is probably the right answer. I thought the low

2619
02:20:35,080 --> 02:20:38,480
Speaker 1: hanging fruit here was the Pittsburgh Steeling. It's hard to

2620
02:20:38,560 --> 02:20:41,400
Speaker 1: argue that, man, hard to argue that because of the

2621
02:20:41,400 --> 02:20:43,600
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers drama. Right, and you bring in.

2622
02:20:43,640 --> 02:20:47,760
Speaker 2: DK Metcalfu in his own little world is also a

2623
02:20:47,879 --> 02:20:49,119
Speaker 2: drama filled problem.

2624
02:20:49,360 --> 02:20:53,800
Speaker 1: Sometimes that's fair, That is very fair. J ANDV has arrived.

2625
02:20:54,120 --> 02:20:57,480
Speaker 7: Low hanging fruit. The hell's that?

2626
02:20:57,640 --> 02:20:59,279
Speaker 1: I was the weekend, John, you had a good weekend,

2627
02:20:59,320 --> 02:21:00,880
Speaker 1: right awesome weekend.

2628
02:21:01,240 --> 02:21:01,800
Speaker 7: Let me tell you.

2629
02:21:02,040 --> 02:21:07,280
Speaker 8: Shout out to everybody, mistic Waters, everybody at Sid's, oh,

2630
02:21:07,400 --> 02:21:11,879
Speaker 8: Brent Holverson, heaven Hill Distillery, Ford's Garage, Taylor's Pub with

2631
02:21:11,959 --> 02:21:15,240
Speaker 8: the food, Paradise day, Watson. I didn't even show those

2632
02:21:15,280 --> 02:21:17,480
Speaker 8: pictures of video because I can't.

2633
02:21:17,920 --> 02:21:18,520
Speaker 7: I shouldn't.

2634
02:21:18,720 --> 02:21:21,440
Speaker 1: Paradise in general, all of that. It was great.

2635
02:21:21,520 --> 02:21:22,960
Speaker 7: Now it could be a little bit warmer.

2636
02:21:23,480 --> 02:21:27,280
Speaker 8: I had certain signs of shrinkage for a couple of

2637
02:21:27,360 --> 02:21:28,840
Speaker 8: days and the pool couldn't help it.

2638
02:21:29,320 --> 02:21:32,520
Speaker 7: I couldn't. But that's okay. I'll take some shrinkage.

2639
02:21:32,520 --> 02:21:40,359
Speaker 8: It's not like it's that impactful.

2640
02:21:41,200 --> 02:21:44,440
Speaker 1: Okay. What's on the big program today, John.

2641
02:21:44,360 --> 02:21:48,039
Speaker 8: Rick mccherry at four o'clock, We're just going to remember

2642
02:21:48,080 --> 02:21:51,720
Speaker 8: those the evil Canevil motorcycle. You put that little rip

2643
02:21:51,760 --> 02:21:54,600
Speaker 8: cord in there. I know you spun this, but the

2644
02:21:54,640 --> 02:21:56,520
Speaker 8: ones where he'd pulled the rip cord on him, that's

2645
02:21:56,520 --> 02:21:57,280
Speaker 8: what I do with the rick.

2646
02:21:57,320 --> 02:21:59,439
Speaker 7: I just pulled the rip cord and he goes.

2647
02:21:59,280 --> 02:22:02,480
Speaker 1: And unlike the evil Knievel Mike, he keeps going. The

2648
02:22:02,560 --> 02:22:05,360
Speaker 1: evil for me would go like two feet in the fall.

2649
02:22:05,240 --> 02:22:07,520
Speaker 8: Over there is never made it to the ram, no question.

2650
02:22:07,560 --> 02:22:09,199
Speaker 8: How was your weekend down in Nashville?

2651
02:22:09,200 --> 02:22:09,680
Speaker 4: It was good?

2652
02:22:10,520 --> 02:22:12,400
Speaker 1: You know, the race was good. It was you know,

2653
02:22:12,440 --> 02:22:15,640
Speaker 1: I watched a Clemson LSU game with my buddy Dave

2654
02:22:15,760 --> 02:22:18,760
Speaker 1: down there and that he's a Clemson fan. That was disappointing,

2655
02:22:19,160 --> 02:22:22,480
Speaker 1: but you know, between college football and the race was good.

2656
02:22:22,520 --> 02:22:24,560
Speaker 1: And I've always like New Garden. I'm I mean, I

2657
02:22:24,600 --> 02:22:25,600
Speaker 1: know a lot of people find him.

2658
02:22:25,800 --> 02:22:28,640
Speaker 7: Will Power played the drums and we play the drums

2659
02:22:28,680 --> 02:22:29,000
Speaker 7: down there.

2660
02:22:29,040 --> 02:22:31,600
Speaker 1: Will Power uh played the drums all the way to

2661
02:22:32,200 --> 02:22:34,520
Speaker 1: Andretti Andretti Global. Now because I think he's going to

2662
02:22:34,560 --> 02:22:35,480
Speaker 1: be driving Colton hurt his.

2663
02:22:35,440 --> 02:22:38,520
Speaker 7: Old ride and where's Colton Hurder going to F two too?

2664
02:22:38,680 --> 02:22:38,880
Speaker 1: Yep?

2665
02:22:39,400 --> 02:22:39,680
Speaker 4: Wow?

2666
02:22:39,879 --> 02:22:40,400
Speaker 7: Is that like.

2667
02:22:42,600 --> 02:22:43,360
Speaker 1: It looks that way?

2668
02:22:43,440 --> 02:22:45,920
Speaker 7: Let's put yeah, well doesn't it look does that?

2669
02:22:45,920 --> 02:22:46,720
Speaker 1: That's not great? Though?

2670
02:22:46,800 --> 02:22:48,360
Speaker 7: Is it? When you decide to go to a minor

2671
02:22:48,440 --> 02:22:49,480
Speaker 7: league group over.

2672
02:22:49,560 --> 02:22:52,760
Speaker 1: Well, it's only because he's going to end up hopefully

2673
02:22:52,840 --> 02:22:54,520
Speaker 1: for Colton Hurd it n F one. He just has

2674
02:22:54,560 --> 02:22:55,600
Speaker 1: to get the super licensing.

2675
02:22:55,640 --> 02:22:57,200
Speaker 7: We can't even win in the Indy. What the hell

2676
02:22:57,240 --> 02:22:58,000
Speaker 7: is he going to be doing there?

2677
02:22:58,040 --> 02:23:00,600
Speaker 1: That's a very good question. Okay, that is good question.

2678
02:23:00,920 --> 02:23:02,960
Speaker 8: That's just I mean, he's a nice dude. I like him,

2679
02:23:02,959 --> 02:23:06,200
Speaker 8: but damn he hadn't won a damn figure. Everybody always says, well,

2680
02:23:06,240 --> 02:23:08,080
Speaker 8: I got talents are out there. That's what they say

2681
02:23:08,080 --> 02:23:08,840
Speaker 8: about Richardson.

2682
02:23:09,160 --> 02:23:13,000
Speaker 1: That's right, got talent? All right, Rick Victory four call

2683
02:23:13,040 --> 02:23:15,880
Speaker 1: four o'clock. I can't wait. John's up next. I thank

2684
02:23:15,920 --> 02:23:18,560
Speaker 1: you for listening, everybody, and we will join you tomorrow.

2685
02:23:18,600 --> 02:23:20,880
Speaker 1: By the way, Love Heating and Air.

2686
02:23:21,160 --> 02:23:21,760
Speaker 4: That's very.

2687
02:23:23,480 --> 02:23:26,200
Speaker 1: Three five three twenty one forty the crossover from Love

2688
02:23:26,240 --> 02:23:28,320
Speaker 1: Heating and Air. All right, we'll be back with you

2689
02:23:28,320 --> 02:23:28,960
Speaker 1: at noon tomorrow