1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: This lawsuit involving well streaming or or I guess internet 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: service is fascinating me. Can we get into this for 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: a few minutes. Sure, It's kind of like Case Show 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: and Rob. That's Casey. Casey, as you know on this program, 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: does all the work here. I simply just show up 6 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: and I say what are we doing? And then Casey's 7 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: it's on the template. Well, because she'll tell me what 8 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: she wants to do, and I'll say, okay, where can 9 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: I find this story? It's on the template I spent 10 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: five hours on. 11 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 2: Is that how I sound in your mind? 12 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: And then I'll say, what time did you have that 13 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: on the template? 14 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: Out? 15 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, so this is fast this fasting story though. 16 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: USA Today has the story, and it is about a 17 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: billion dollar lawsuit that has made its way all the 18 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: way to the Supreme Court, involving basically essentially the music 19 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: community for lack of a better term, suing Cox. What 20 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: are the Cox Communications? 21 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: X Communications? 22 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: They're a massive internet provider. 23 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 2: They're a broadcast company, but also they pro internet service. 24 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Sony Music Entertainment and fifty other record labels 25 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: were involved in this, and they were saying, look, Cox 26 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 1: has this internet provider has not done enough to curb 27 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: the tide of blatantly illegal internet streaming. 28 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, music piracy is what it is. 29 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 1: Which blows my mind, Casey that in a world where 30 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: you can go to YouTube at any time and get 31 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: whatever song you want, like pretty much whatever song you pick, 32 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: there's going to be you might have to sit through 33 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: an ad, right, Like, there may be an ad before 34 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: you get the song. You can get whatever song you 35 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: want for freeedown, people still do the illegal internet downloading. 36 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: That blows my mind. 37 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 2: So music companies were saying that Cox Communications let sixty 38 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 2: thousand customers share ten thousand copyrighted songs illegally, and so 39 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: they took them to court and the court said, okay, yeah, 40 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: billion dollar fine. They appealed, and then a later court 41 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 2: threw it out and ordered a new trial. And now 42 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: the new trial is at the Supreme Court, and the 43 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 2: Supreme Court is now deciding whether Cox can still be 44 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 2: held responsible for quote, helping piracy. Cox is saying we're 45 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 2: not helping anybody, and the music industry is saying, yeah, 46 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: but you didn't stop them either. 47 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: So this is a fascinating conversation that could affect I 48 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: mean everybody going forward, depending on how this thing ultimately 49 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: gets sort of decided. In the end, it looks like 50 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: it's going to be in the side of the Internet 51 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: provider Cox. By the way, the Justice Department, a whole 52 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: bunch of other big wigs have lined up behind Cox because, 53 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: like I see both sides of this, where the music 54 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: industry is saying, hey, wait a second, we get paid 55 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: off of legitimate you know, downloads, transactions, listens, pay services 56 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: using you know, streaming our music, Amazon, Apple Music, whatever 57 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: it is, and you are a bypassing our ability to 58 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: get paid. These people are bypassing our ability to get 59 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: paid by illegally pirrating our music. And Cox, you're the 60 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: Internet provider. We're telling you where this is coming from, 61 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: we're giving you the IP addresses, and you're not doing 62 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: anything about it. Cox then says, and it's a valid point. Look, 63 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: we're not the police, we're not law enforcement. We don't 64 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,239 Speaker 1: have investigated powers. We don't know who in this house 65 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: is doing it. If it's a kid and the Internet 66 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: is paid for and given to an adult, we're gonna 67 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: be screwing not only that person, at everybody in that house. 68 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: Then let's extrapolate this out too. I think they used 69 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: as an example army barracks, hospitals, hotels. They said, this 70 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: is just impossible for us to police every single person, 71 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: and we're gonna end up punishing people have nothing to 72 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: do with this, right. That's the thing. 73 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 2: Cox is saying that the judgment could jeopardize internet access 74 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 2: for all Americans because they're saying, yeah, you gave us 75 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: this IP address, but what is actually at that eye 76 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 2: IP address? We can't just randomly cut off the IP 77 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: address because you're saying there's music piracy. What if it 78 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 2: is a hospital, what if it is a military base. 79 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: And so it comes back to the music industry is 80 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: sort of where the radio industry has been, which is, 81 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: you know, you've obviously run many many radio stations. You've 82 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: been at the you know, at the tippy top and 83 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: the business. You know, about twenty years ago, radio unleashed 84 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: what was known as HD radio, and this was just 85 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: to be this pioneering thing that was going to change 86 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: the industry, and it didn't really change anything other than 87 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: the FCC allowed and we do this with one oh 88 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: seven five and nine three five to the fan use 89 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: HD stations as what they call translators to put to 90 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: put if you have an HD frequency license. You can 91 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: now put a translator on them, and it has helped 92 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: to that extent, but it does not revolutionize the industry 93 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: like it it puts the product on another signal, right exactly. 94 00:04:58,200 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: But this wasps to be the new thing, right like 95 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: every to buy these HD radios. Ver was gonna love 96 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: HD radio. It's gonna save the radio industry. And what 97 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: they came to the conclusion of a couple of years 98 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: into this thing was that they had this technology for 99 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: like ten years, and instead of just getting it out 100 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: there and saying, Okay, let's all go make money on it, 101 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 1: the radio industry, like everything else, just fought amongst themselves 102 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: instead of getting at the forefront of anything. And in 103 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: the meantime, satellite radio became a thing. They got people 104 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: used to paying for radio content, and so by the 105 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: time the terrestrial radio industry unleashed HD radio, people are like, no, 106 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: I already got my way. I do business right like 107 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: I'm okay with Sirius or XM or whatever it is now. 108 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: And the radio industry never was able to capitalize the 109 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: way they should have been on HD radio because they 110 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: had HD before satellite was in people's homes or in 111 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: people's cars. Same thing here with this. The music industry 112 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: feels the same way. I remember twenty five years ago 113 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: they were fighting over illegal downloading, and what they should 114 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: have done is, instead of insisting you will pay fifteen 115 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: dollars for this CD, you will buy it the way 116 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: we tell you to buy it. They should have been 117 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: getting people used to paying some small amount for their 118 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: favorite songs and getting access to just the songs they 119 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: want if you don't want to buy the whole album, 120 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: all the things they're kind of doing now anyway with 121 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: Spotify exactly. And they could have done that twenty five 122 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: years ago and been so far ahead of the curb. 123 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: But they, like their own arrogance or hubris or whatever 124 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: it was, they insisted people do it their way to 125 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: people like I had to do it your way. I'm 126 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: doing it my way the freeway. 127 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,799 Speaker 2: So the music industry is saying, though at one time 128 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 2: twenty one percent of Cox's network was piracy related traffic, 129 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: they're using that as the basis for their argument a 130 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 2: quarter of their business was pirated music. 131 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: But Cox is saying, you know what. 132 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,799 Speaker 2: You can't punish us just for knowing about piracy. 133 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: Well, look it comes back to this if the trun 134 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: if you see the train coming down the tracks right, 135 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: you have two options. You can stand in front of 136 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: the train and get run over, or you can say, hey, 137 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get on board. And where this train's going 138 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: may not be exactly where I want to go or 139 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: the way I want to get there, but it's better 140 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: than getting run over. And the radio industry, just like 141 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: the music industry, for some reason, chose to stand in 142 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: front of the tracks and get plowed over.