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Speaker 1: Dead and hip hop music conversation. It's always about the music,

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Speaker 1: but today it's about the music. I'm your boy feet

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Speaker 1: for twenty four seven, here with your favorite Mike c Town.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: We got Bzy Faux thirty and we got Kenni's be

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Speaker 1: ing no modest today. He's a little under the weather

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Speaker 1: so he's not in the building or virtually, you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And today we got Sadistic and nowhere

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Speaker 1: to run. We're gonna be talking about the project.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 4: Like I said, it's about the music. The vacants. Welcome guys,

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Speaker 4: how y'all feel well?

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Speaker 2: That's right?

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Speaker 5: Having yes, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Hey Sadistic. This is two times in one year. Bro,

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Speaker 1: Like we don't like shatter off.

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Speaker 6: Today he's a friend of the show.

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Speaker 7: On that last one, I saw you like slowly be

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Speaker 7: like all right, this is what I could deal with this.

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Speaker 3: It's it's funny because you know this is one of

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Speaker 3: the songs he put for our listening was on this

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Speaker 3: project too.

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Speaker 8: He's the one we gotta get.

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Speaker 4: Hey, look, okay, look so.

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Speaker 1: Hot and heavy because god damn, hey, so this thing.

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Speaker 1: I was like, Hey this I look I already gave

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Speaker 1: you the bump in the whip approval, like you you

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Speaker 1: bump in the whip. But this ship here, Oh man,

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Speaker 1: I felt like this was you on lock like a

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Speaker 1: whole other level. I thought the production was just on

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Speaker 1: the whole. It was different from what I've heard you

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Speaker 1: rap on. But I felt like if it fit your

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Speaker 1: style perfectly, like like this, this, this is a perfect marriage.

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Speaker 6: If I'm a fuck with you. Do you remember what

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Speaker 6: song he played for us? Listener, No.

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Speaker 4: Disrespect, that's no disrespect, it's just bro. I listened. We

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Speaker 4: listened to so I don't remember.

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Speaker 6: I don't know this.

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Speaker 3: This this was the exclusive joint he had gave us,

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Speaker 3: and he played it was Kiss the Ring.

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Speaker 5: I watched that. I watched that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, man, I'm like so when I so when

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Speaker 3: that came out, like, oh this is this is drink listening.

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Speaker 6: I heard this one already. Hell yeah, we're here.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, so let's get into it. How how did this happen?

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Speaker 9: What brought y'all? But y'all together?

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Speaker 8: I think it was Jamie's idea, to be honest.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we you know, so a little background

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Speaker 5: on me, you know, I myself and my producing partner

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Speaker 5: call them Shade. We play in a band, and we've

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Speaker 5: played in a band like our whole lives called Cold Orange.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of like a metal hardcore, a hardcore industrial

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Speaker 5: kind of hybrid sort of band. And you know, we've

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Speaker 5: we've produced some tracks here and there. We produced like

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Speaker 5: all our own records as of late. We did a

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Speaker 5: track for a rapper called Backwash. We did a track

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Speaker 5: for Jpeg Mafia and Injury Reserve like a couple of

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Speaker 5: when our band kind of started slowing down, we were

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Speaker 5: just looking for you know, friends and people we respected

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Speaker 5: So yeah, like me and Sadistic have always chopped it up,

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Speaker 7: It was perfect timing for me because I just dropped

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Speaker 7: the two LPs in one year and I was kind

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Speaker 7: of like I was burnt out on like the deep

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Speaker 7: I was like over it for a little bit, and

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Speaker 7: he hit me up at a perfect time and sent

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Speaker 7: me some tracks, and I was like, this is exactly

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Speaker 9: So were y'all already familiar with each other's music.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I've listened to Code Orange like pretty much since

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he was always supporting us, like from afar and

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Speaker 5: We became friends and I always was watching what he

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Speaker 5: with everything. Basically, just send us like verses and parts

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Speaker 5: we just started bouncing it back and forth from there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like this project felt like I felt

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Speaker 1: that like it just it felt like it was so

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Speaker 1: pieced together perfectly. That's saying that none of your other

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Speaker 1: probab weren't statistic, but like it just this one felt different,

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Speaker 1: Like it really did.

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Speaker 7: Like some of these were maybe I'd send them a

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Speaker 7: it and like rearrange things, and then they'd send it

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Speaker 7: back and and I'd go, you know, it'd be like

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Speaker 7: the wire Gift. I'd be like, oh shit, Like that's

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Speaker 7: that it fits so much better, and like the transitions

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Speaker 7: they do, and like, I feel like this projects. One

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Speaker 7: if it sounds natural when you loop it, you know,

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Speaker 7: so there's like a lot of little details. So when

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Speaker 7: I'd first sent some verses over and then they would

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Speaker 7: the beat making side, and so I knew pretty early

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Speaker 7: to micromanaging everything, and so it was it was kind

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 4: What's interesting.

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Speaker 1: We just got off talking to Bruiser Wolf, and he

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Speaker 1: typically he's like nah, like you know, he'll micromanage as well,

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Speaker 1: doing the same thing, chopping this up, making this into

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Speaker 1: man like y'all don't get enough credit for doing that aspect, right, Like,

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Speaker 5: I feel like we were just in my eyes, like

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Speaker 5: we were, you know, we were blessed to find somebody

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Speaker 5: Most of the time when I'm thinking of music, I'm

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Speaker 5: vibes more than even like musical references. So but to

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Speaker 5: find you know, me and Shade were kind of at

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Speaker 5: really willing to let us do that, and like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: it was just every song. I mean, there was a

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Speaker 5: couple extra songs we did that I think are also

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Speaker 5: it was like he did a verse found the little

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Speaker 5: Kiss the Ring part that just felt like a hook

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Speaker 5: to me, loopat as a hook, and that was kind

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Speaker 5: of for most of the songs. There was a couple

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Speaker 5: the pattern of events and you know, you don't as producers,

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Speaker 5: especially new to hip hop. I don't think that that's

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Speaker 5: like a super common occurrence.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of other situations we got in where

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Speaker 5: I don't think we did very well in those scenarios.

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Speaker 5: We're kind of just like another guy in the room,

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Speaker 5: and when we're another guy in the room, we're sort

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Speaker 5: of just like useless. So this is like the best

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Speaker 5: scenario for us for sure.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: I think that's interesting because I think that you know,

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Speaker 10: you guys being familiar with each other, you know, when

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Speaker 10: I when I've listened to it, it's it sounds like

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Speaker 10: a sadistic project, and it doesn't sound like a project.

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Speaker 10: But but I think that's like that ass to it

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Speaker 10: because I think it's really good. And what what I

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Speaker 10: would wanted to know was how did the features come

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Speaker 2: Ice Cold Bishop, Fat Boys Reeve.

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Speaker 3: When the body James Alchemi is project Ice Cold Bishop.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, he's a feature killer, man, It's so dope.

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Speaker 7: He's one of those people if he's featured on somebody,

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Speaker 7: I've never heard of him, Like, I'm going to click it.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all those ideas were sadistics.

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Speaker 5: I mean we were like just we both knew fat

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Speaker 5: boy Charif a little bit, but outside of that, it

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Speaker 5: was like who who fits this world? Like and yes

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Speaker 5: he's got the role.

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Speaker 7: Of that, like Cage I felt was it felt like inevitable,

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Speaker 7: Like once we started making this, I was like, Cage

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Speaker 7: has to be on this, and like he's a close

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Speaker 7: friend of mine. We haven't made a song together in

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Speaker 7: then Sharif, I felt like he was a good contrast

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Speaker 7: because I'm doing kind of like more staccato wraps in

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Speaker 7: there and a lot of like pattern juggling and ship.

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Speaker 7: And then when he bounced the off him where it's

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Speaker 7: like a much slower like kind of visual painting style

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Speaker 7: of wrap, it just it sounded really cool.

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Speaker 8: I felt like we got a lot of contract.

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Speaker 2: That contrast is dope. Yeah, that contrast is dope.

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Speaker 7: It works experimental like horror art kid kind of thing.

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Speaker 5: Tief is really into all the same ship that we're into,

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Speaker 5: like on a serious level, so like and you know,

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Speaker 5: he was even showing me ship where I'm like this.

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Speaker 8: Kind of yeah, yeah, he's.

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Speaker 5: He's telling me, I saw me. He's like, yeah, I

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Speaker 5: fall asleep every night and to watch like our fall

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Speaker 5: asleep to seven And Henry.

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Speaker 9: He's a funny guy.

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Speaker 5: You have all asleep to like Shrek or something.

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Speaker 8: Cloth for sure, cool dude.

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Speaker 9: So I actually had another question about the production because

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Speaker 9: I I agree with.

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Speaker 4: With and.

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Speaker 9: With the aspect of yes, this sounds like a statistic project,

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Speaker 7: For me, it was like, at first, I was it

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 10: So on that song, I know, survival, I like that

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Speaker 4: I don't I don't mean this in no bad way.

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Speaker 5: Bro.

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Speaker 4: If in no bad way.

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Speaker 1: However, if the music is gonna come out like this,

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Speaker 8: But you know, like most of my career is just.

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Speaker 7: Like I basically was trying to imagine like if like

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Speaker 8: I like that. I wanted to be like more free

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Speaker 2: How long did it take you before you became comfortable?

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Speaker 7: I mean when they for me, when they sent back

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Speaker 8: You know, I told my wife, I was like, oh,

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Speaker 9: Were there any beats that you got where you were like, damn,

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Speaker 5: And always there was a couple of weird ones.

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Speaker 9: Because that ship, I don't I don't understand how the

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Speaker 7: That was like like I think I sent it back

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Speaker 5: I don't know what the do with it.

440
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 7: Part way three, I didn't have to worry about like

441
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 7: because I'll worry about how versus flow, and I'll start

442
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,959
Speaker 7: layering things at certain spots and just kind of like

443
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 7: you know, zooming out and seeing the whole picture. But

444
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 7: with you, I didn't have to worry about that. I

445
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 7: was just like make moments, you know what I mean,

446
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 7: Like just even if it's a long verse and I

447
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 7: and so I was purposely just trying to change cadences

448
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 7: here and there because I knew you'd just pluck out

449
00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 7: which ones might be a bridge or a hook.

450
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 5: Or there was a lot of verses that he let

451
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 5: us kind of just cut, like he would even let

452
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 5: me go in and cut line lines out like he

453
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 5: was he wasn't precious at all, like there would be.

454
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 7: I mean, kill your darlings, you know, kill your darlings,

455
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,399
Speaker 7: like if you're working with someone you can't be you

456
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 7: can't hold on too tightly or it just gets weird.

457
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure. And we both write and we're not

458
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 5: gonna make him say something that doesn't make sense, you

459
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 5: know what I mean. I want to think about it

460
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,879
Speaker 5: and make sure that it still works. But like you know,

461
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 5: if it's throwing off the fucking getting on with it,

462
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,679
Speaker 5: then it's gotta go type shit, you know.

463
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 9: No, that's that's that's really interesting because I wasn't expecting

464
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,879
Speaker 9: the same day with that song, because like when people

465
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,120
Speaker 9: when I hear beats, and I'm immediately like I don't

466
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 9: know how the fu Songe's gonna rap over that, and

467
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 9: then they do like the the alarm clock song that

468
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 9: Clipping did that Ken Hates. Yeah, Like you hear that

469
00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:00,640
Speaker 9: ship and it's like, how is he's really doing that?

470
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 9: I had that feeling with Flucid, so hearing that you

471
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 9: said it back the same day is insane, so jand

472
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 9: when you got it back same day, when you like,

473
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 9: holy fuck, really.

474
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 5: I was like, he's fucking one wrapping fastest ship. I

475
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 5: was like taking all this shit. But then two I

476
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 5: was like, yeah, I mean it was kind of a

477
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 5: thing where I was like, well, I guess I don't know.

478
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 5: You know what what I imagined. I love what Sadistic

479
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 5: did on it. It made it amazing what I imagined

480
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 5: would be on it was kind of like what Ice

481
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,199
Speaker 5: Cold Bishop did in just the rhythmic flow of it.

482
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 5: I was like making the beat. I would hear something

483
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 5: like that in my head. But then like the little

484
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 5: hook that he did on it, like uh, the Sadistic

485
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 5: did on it like totally made it, and it just

486
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 5: like that one coicked pretty quick. Yeah, I mean that

487
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 5: beat had been nobody picked that beat. He's you know

488
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 5: what he picks any of them, but he did. He

489
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 5: fucking that beat was was was on a desert island.

490
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 5: So I was super happy because I love that one.

491
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 5: So it worked out.

492
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 1: Were there any features that you wanted that just didn't happen?

493
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 8: I thought mich Darko would have sounded great.

494
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, we tried a couple. We hit up a couple,

495
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 5: We hit up a couple.

496
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 8: Of people that just I hit up Harper at the event. Yeah,

497
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 8: that was about it.

498
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 5: But he wraps on more like street. Yeah.

499
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 8: I don't know if it would, but like.

500
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 5: Now thing that people do, which is yeah exactly. So

501
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 5: I feel like I feel like the guys we got

502
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 5: is like the perfect fucking starting lineup of just complete freaks.

503
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 8: So it worked out like perfectly. Yeah. I feel like

504
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:52,479
Speaker 8: the theme is clear, you know, like the cast of

505
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 8: this one.

506
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, the Big Pun uh.

507
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 7: So, like there's a lot of there's some direct references,

508
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 7: you know, like Pun and mob Deep and stuff like that,

509
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,239
Speaker 7: but it's like, oh, yeah, I really wanted to like

510
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 7: zoom in on the East Coast. Stuff I really appreciate

511
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 7: and grew up with, you know, like Pharaoh Manch and yeah,

512
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 7: Pharaoh Pun Prodigy. Like a lot of that ship because

513
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 7: it was a huge influence on me. It still is like,

514
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 7: you know, like I stole so many flows and timings

515
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 7: from Maunch and Puns, so it's like, you know, you

516
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 7: gotta say their name eventually.

517
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 9: When we're talking about themes and stuff. So so Jamie,

518
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 9: I've been trying to cover statistics music for many years

519
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 9: and he'll never say it because he's too nice. But

520
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 9: I know, I don't fucking get any of his concepts, right.

521
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 9: I hear the ship and I'm just like, all right,

522
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 9: this is what I think he's saying, but it's probably wrong.

523
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 9: So when you when you get the stuff back, are

524
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 9: you just like, yo, he's wrapping his ass off. Are

525
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 9: you like I really feel what he's saying or you

526
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 9: just like, oh, this is so esoteric. I don't know

527
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 9: what he's talking about, but it sounds dope. Let me

528
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 9: just run with it.

529
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 5: The only thing I didn't know what the fuck the

530
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 5: person was talking about was Fat Boys Sharif's party. I

531
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 5: saw him a couple of weeks ago. I was like, dude,

532
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 5: what the fuck are you talking about? He's like, I

533
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 5: just thought it needed to be you know, and I'm like,

534
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 5: I mean, it is but it's like I'm literally scared

535
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 5: to listen to it. But no, I definitely I feel

536
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 5: like it's a mixture of all of the above. I

537
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 5: feel like we you know, I feel like what's been

538
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 5: really cool is yeah, like in my art p R

539
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 5: like band or whatever art projects orself were like so

540
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 5: in on all the elements and like the lyrics and

541
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 5: like the true themes. And in this one, it was

542
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 5: kind of like we got to paint the world and

543
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 5: then he is like the character in the world, you know,

544
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 5: kind of saying whatever needs to be said. So I

545
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 5: felt like, you know, it depends on the song, but

546
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,959
Speaker 5: I feel like the record feels a lot about like

547
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 5: taking power, you know, like that was kind of like

548
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 5: a theme that I felt resonated on every song. And

549
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 5: it's like we both feel very not to be complete

550
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 5: fucking cheese dick, but we both feel very misunderstood at

551
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 5: times in terms of what we're putting out there. And

552
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 5: you know, like the record feels like just fucking you know,

553
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 5: just taking your enemies to the warehouse type shit, you know.

554
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 5: So I feel like it's like it reflects like we're

555
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 5: both at in our careers. It's like we're both we're hungry.

556
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 5: We want people to we want to really put something

557
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 5: in front of people that they can't deny and that

558
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 5: they can't fucking uh, you know, put into the wrong box,

559
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 5: you know. And to me, that was the part of

560
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 5: what he's doing throughout a lot of the songs that

561
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 5: that connects. And then yeah, he's also just wrapping his

562
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 5: ass off, but it's always very sensical. It's always he's

563
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 5: I think he's good at storytelling. I don't think it

564
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 5: gets too like I said, The Fat Boys three parts

565
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 5: weird as fuck, the nuts on your had parts insane.

566
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 5: But I thought that, I said, I thought, I definitely.

567
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 8: I'm such a sicko.

568
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 7: When I first heard that verse, I thought he said

569
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 7: cuts on your forehead. I thought he was saying manson family.

570
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 7: And I was like, that's hard as fuck. And I

571
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 7: played it again.

572
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 8: I was like, Oh, it's nuts on yours.

573
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 5: I mean, that's about as hard as you can be

574
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 5: just to fucking come in on a feature and just

575
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 5: say nuts on your forehead. So he fit the squad.

576
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 5: He joined the squad that moment for sure.

577
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

578
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,959
Speaker 1: So, so what's some of the feedback that you've been

579
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: getting in regards to this project, Like what are the people.

580
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 7: Saying, like piggybacking off what he said On the positive side,

581
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 7: one of the most common things I get is people

582
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 7: say it makes them feel big or they feel like

583
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 7: someone told me it makes them feel like people are

584
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 7: under their shoe when they listen to it walking, and

585
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 7: I was like, that's a good yeah.

586
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like it's been great, Like I think

587
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 5: are right now to just like get it out there,

588
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 5: to like more of the heads of this shit, because

589
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 5: I just feel like there's really something beyond what people

590
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 5: would expect from either of us, and there's a lot

591
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 5: of people out there that would really fuck with it

592
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 5: that have absolutely no clue who either of us are,

593
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 5: you know. So my hope is just that over time,

594
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 5: I still really believe in records and like great records.

595
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 5: That's like what I've lived and died by my whole

596
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 5: life is at least trying to literally put all blood, sweat,

597
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 5: tears into that because I feel like at the end

598
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,719
Speaker 5: of the day that still remains and people can discover it,

599
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 5: and like, you know, the greatness of a record never dies.

600
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 5: So I think this is a great record that like

601
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 5: if if we can continue to just push the word out,

602
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 5: then it's gonna find It's gonna find a lot of

603
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 5: a lot of people because it's not you know, it

604
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 5: bridges a cool gap between like you bring up like

605
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 5: clipping right, Clipping's awesome, but it's also really fucking weird,

606
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 5: and it's for like our kids most of the time,

607
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 5: and then you you know, we talk about other stuff,

608
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 5: like maybe we talk about like Griselda. It's not necessarily

609
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 5: for the clipping kids.

610
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 3: You know.

611
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 5: It's like, there's not really a record out there right

612
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 5: now that I think Mary's these things in this way,

613
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 5: and that's got to be for somebody. So I think

614
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 5: our goal was to just kind of like keep holding

615
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 5: the torch up and people hopefully will keep finding it.

616
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 8: You know.

617
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 5: But it's been all awesome feedback so far. My dad

618
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 5: thinks it's hard as fucking Oh yeah, there's fucking put

619
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 5: me on to like a lot of crazy shit. When

620
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 5: we were making this, He's like, you need to listen

621
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 5: to this, that and the other. I was like, all right,

622
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 5: so fine.

623
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 7: I think there's a lot of Easter eggs in it too,

624
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 7: like both in the lyrics and the production. So it's

625
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 7: like it's a concise you know, it's not the longest project,

626
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 7: but I do feel like there's a lot of details

627
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 7: that kind of unearthed themselves. If you if you're the

628
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 7: type of person that likes to kind of dig into shit.

629
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah.

630
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 9: That's always been something that's really fun about listening to

631
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 9: your music is finding all of the kind of hidden

632
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 9: things in But one more o ship moment that I

633
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 9: had on this album, Uh, you're second verse on Shape Shifters. Oh,

634
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 9: it's like god damn man. So all right, and you're

635
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 9: probably too nice to say this too, but do you

636
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 9: ever just sit back and be like I kill that shit?

637
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 7: No, man, I my because I hate myself, bro. But

638
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 7: every once in a while, every once in a while,

639
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 7: like I'll hear something, I'll be like, like I was

640
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 7: in a I was training Moe Tai like a couple

641
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 7: of weeks ago, and they a song of mine played

642
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 7: and I didn't realize it was me because it's like it.

643
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 8: Hard and.

644
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, sometimes I'll have those moments where I'm like, oh,

645
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 7: that should happened, but it in the moment, it just

646
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 7: kind of flows and it just feels right or wrong,

647
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 7: and then you step back and you go, oh, that

648
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 7: was cool, or you know, throw it away.

649
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 5: But I would try to text him. I think my

650
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 5: camera's freezing, but whatever. I would try to text him

651
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 5: and just be like, all caps are as fuck every time,

652
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 5: no hate yourself shipped on this project. We're we're we're

653
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 5: the killer is not to kill it on this one.

654
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 5: This is start that we were trying to We were

655
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 5: trying to gas him up because he's fucking amazing. He's

656
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 5: a he's an amazing artist, and he's just like us,

657
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 5: Like he doesn't fit into he doesn't fit into a box.

658
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 5: He doesn't fit into a trend. You know, he can

659
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 5: he can kind of shape shift, you know, into these

660
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 5: different modes. But he's just talented and like nowadays, you

661
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 5: know that's clearly not necessarily like the main attribute that

662
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 5: like leads what people listen to. So my but you know,

663
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,719
Speaker 5: my thing is, it's just we just tried to impart

664
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 5: confidence on him because he's an absolute killer. I mean,

665
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 5: he can fucking rap. Am I wrong, boys, I.

666
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: Think you had a yeah show. Yeah, now, this is dope.

667
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 8: This is dope.

668
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 10: I definitely think, uh, you know, people that watch this

669
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 10: show will definitely mess with it heavy.

670
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: You know, it's incredible rapping. I think production is is

671
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: up there as well. I think production is really good

672
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: and incredible too.

673
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 10: A lot of different sounds, a lot of different instruments

674
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 10: and stuff that's going on, so it keeps the listener engage,

675
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 10: and of course this is rapping and then you're throwing

676
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 10: the features on top.

677
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 2: It's just like it's just like it really.

678
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 10: Browse out and complete the project, you know, and they're dope,

679
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 10: dope as fun.

680
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: So no, I think I think it's really good.

681
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 10: And therefore, you know, like if I hear like I

682
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 10: mentioned a big pun thing, I think there was a

683
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 10: Biggie reference somewhere on there too, so just like you

684
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 10: were like, oh yeah.

685
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like, what's that meaning?

686
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 7: Was like, oh yeah, I know that, like because a

687
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 7: lot of my style is like these kind of like

688
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 7: you said, esoteric or like I'll do these kind of

689
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 7: deep cut references sometimes like often, but that's by design

690
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 7: because the small percentage of people who catch it, they

691
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 7: get fucking thrilled when they do. But if it's nothing

692
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 7: but that, it's just kind of there's nothing to grab

693
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 7: on too.

694
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 8: So like I try to throw.

695
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 7: In uh, easy to recognize moments and then kind of

696
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 7: bury like the more like layered parts around it.

697
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 8: Like the Kinosis hook that's like it's like four or.

698
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 7: Five punch lines in a row that all draw visuals

699
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 7: if you connect it right. So it's just visual visual

700
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 7: vision visual for it, even before the verse even starts,

701
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 7: you know, like stuff like that.

702
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 9: So is this it? Are y'all gonna do some more music?

703
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 10: They be not?

704
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 4: They not be.

705
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 2: At all.

706
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 5: I mean we're gonna keep working together. Check out. We

707
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 5: just dropped a track that he's on that's part of

708
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 5: our eph's It's a track called home Addresses and he

709
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 5: does a verse on that. It's hard and it's got

710
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 5: backwashed on that wash who is sick for sure. So

711
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 5: I feel like, well, definitely I would love to do

712
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 5: a part too, honestly at some point, like a fucking

713
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 5: horror movie. But I think right now we'd love to

714
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 5: do like a show or two where we kind of

715
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 5: like do some visuals and maybe get some of the

716
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 5: guys who are on the record to come play with us.

717
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 5: For talking about doing that, just kind of build a

718
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 5: little bit of the world around it and see what

719
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 5: people are into, you know. And for Shade and I,

720
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 5: we really love working like in in all kinds of music.

721
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,919
Speaker 5: You know, but hip hop's really big for us. It's

722
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 5: really always been, even with our band, even on that

723
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 5: record Forever, Mike, like a lot of what was inspiring

724
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 5: the production there was definitely industrial music was a heavy party,

725
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 5: but it was also a lot of what was going

726
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 5: on in hip hop in terms of production and like

727
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 5: layering and just like interesting stuff that we were finding

728
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 5: not present in the kind of metal we were doing,

729
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 5: at least at the time, in the way we were

730
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 5: doing it. So I think, like we've just really been

731
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 5: loving playing the mat sandbox and are hoping to get

732
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 5: more opportunities there. And I appreciate Sadistic for almost like

733
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 5: giving us a fucking nice resume of like, well we

734
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 5: could hopefully do you know as well. So, but yeah,

735
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 5: we're gonna keep going for sure.

736
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 3: Is it anyone that any and you know, the artists

737
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 3: you would like to lock in?

738
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 6: Is it any of.

739
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 3: You talking to the producers that you would like to

740
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 3: lock in beside Sadistic, Is anybody in?

741
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 5: There's a fucking gamut of guys like I would I

742
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 5: would love to On one side, I would love to

743
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 5: work with like the fucking Grizelda you know people. On

744
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 5: another side, I think like I really want to work

745
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 5: with like Playboy CARDI honestly, I know it's kind of

746
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 5: like the most you know, uh whatever kind of easiest thing,

747
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 5: but like I just feel like there's something in what

748
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 5: he's doing, not always, but in some songs and in

749
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 5: some ways and obviously esthetically especially that really connects with

750
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 5: where we're at, and I feel like that's something that

751
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 5: we could really bring another level of that, to another

752
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 5: level of darkness.

753
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 8: You know.

754
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 5: I think that there's a lot of like dark kind

755
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 5: of wrap, especially like Hi I reference, like, you know,

756
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 5: there's the whole kind of three six Mafia influence that

757
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 5: bled a lot into that, like uh and not disparaging

758
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 5: these guys, because they're fucking great guys, but like into

759
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 5: that whole like suicide Boys world, which is sick, but

760
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 5: like I almost feel like there's another side of like,

761
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 5: you know, a lot of these like yeah, like these

762
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 5: Opium kids, like they want to do some real dark ship,

763
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 5: Like let's do some real dark shit. You know what

764
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 5: I'm saying, Let's get real. That's my call out. But

765
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 5: I mean I think those all those people have like

766
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 5: some really cool shit going on, but there's a lot

767
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 5: of sides of the game.

768
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: That we you know, who you should reach out to

769
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: that that that I definitely think that your style would

770
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: definitely mesh well, especially listening to how like you you

771
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: you actually produce it, You're not just sending beats.

772
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 4: Kenny Mason one yeah too.

773
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 5: Okay, I don't know, grip check him out. That's awesome.

774
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 9: He's from here, he's dope.

775
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's from Atlanta.

776
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 8: Talented people out right now.

777
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he just kind of swisched.

778
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 1: He went kind of like alternative and the album was amazing,

779
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: Like he played it for us and I walked away

780
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: like bro, like people not ready for this. And he's

781
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 1: really one of the better lyricists. Yeah, man, So I

782
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: definitely think if you work with those two people, you

783
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: can you can change some ship. It'll be just as

784
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: hard as a statistics joint, Like and get.

785
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 4: Him on the same.

786
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 9: Get like statistic and grip over y'all's production stupid. I

787
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 9: never even thought about that and.

788
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 5: That and that's the messaging we need to get all

789
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 5: on this podcast of these young kids is like alternative

790
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 5: ship is not all the same thing. To get these

791
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 5: kids away from definitely from like pop punk ship, which

792
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 5: they're getting away from because that is pitiful, but we

793
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 5: also need to get him away from just like you know,

794
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 5: like if like if if we're doing this dark shit boys,

795
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 5: like I said, like let's do it for real. Let's

796
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 5: let's we can still keep the the the hip hop

797
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 5: of it all, for sure, but let's up the level

798
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 5: a little bit. And like I think that, Like again,

799
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 5: I honestly think that some some of what like poy

800
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 5: Boy Cardies was doing on or trying to do on

801
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 5: that record. You know, initially he was getting at something

802
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 5: where it's like dark in a way that camp. It's

803
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 5: not overt, but it's like a way that was hard

804
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 5: to describe through like Cardo's beats and something. There's a

805
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 5: lot of guys, I mean, I think Kenny Mason is

806
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 5: fucking awesome. My buddy Shane from the band Title Fight,

807
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 5: he actually works with Kenny Mason quite a bit and

808
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 5: plays guitar and hosts for him, so he's like part

809
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 5: of his squad, which is awesome. I would I would

810
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 5: love to work with him. But yeah, there's there's so

811
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 5: many great guys out there. I would love anybody who

812
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 5: wants to really like strap In and and you know,

813
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 5: we don't have to have fucking It doesn't have to

814
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 5: be like this where we were fucking arranging all your shit.

815
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 5: But I just like, if you really want to make

816
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 5: a fucking project, we can do that.

817
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 10: You know what I'm saying, You guys have play work

818
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 10: CARDI would actually be interesting giving us some of the

819
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,720
Speaker 10: stuff I've heard from him. It sounds like an odd parent,

820
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 10: but I think with some of those stuff that he

821
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 10: has wrapped over and experimented.

822
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: With, I don't know.

823
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 10: I think I think it might I think it might work.

824
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 8: I don't like all the stuff you put out, but yeah,

825
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 8: he's stuff. He just hasn't been pushed all the way there.

826
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 5: I mean, he's you know, yeah there. And there's there's

827
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 5: a lot of guys where I see like what they're

828
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 5: you know, I think he's probably doing the best in

829
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 5: a lot of ways. But I see what some of

830
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 5: these guys are doing, and I'm like, like, if you

831
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 5: just are the one to like really do this, I

832
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 5: feel like you could take this to like a whole

833
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 5: new level, like you know what I mean. Like, but

834
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 5: they're all a little bit not sure, you know, they

835
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 5: got a lot of they got a lot of warped

836
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 5: toward people around him. You know what I'm saying, Mike

837
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 5: them the right ship.

838
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, I mean yeah, I know, I get it.

839
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 9: I won't I'll be nice and I won't say, but

840
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 9: I get it.

841
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 8: Rock tastes very greatly in quality.

842
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 5: So we need to get some real shit in this

843
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 5: whole mix.

844
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 9: I'm with it.

845
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 4: I'm with it so soon.

846
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 9: Well, I hope Ralph is right, and I hope the

847
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 9: little threat you through in there. I hope y'all do

848
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 9: work together again, because this is it's really it's really

849
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 9: dope seeing what I thought was Statistic being challenged because

850
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 9: someone like him just seems to be naturally good at rapping.

851
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 9: So when I listened to this project, I thought that

852
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 9: he was being challenged with some of these beats and

853
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 9: it felt cool. Man, I don't I don't hear that

854
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 9: super often, but I'm with Ralph. Man, I really hope

855
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 9: y'all y'all do some more stuff. So thank y'all for

856
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 9: coming on here and talking about this.

857
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 5: You know, I watch you guys a lot, and if

858
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 5: you guys like this, and then it was worth making

859
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 5: because you guys are some real motherfuckers, so it.

860
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 6: Was it was appreciate it, API.

861
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 5: I respect you guys all, and I appreciate you get

862
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 5: on here, yeah with my man here.

863
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: Oh you know, look there. We don't have many likes. Yeah,

864
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: we don't have many rules. But if you are going

865
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: to be on the main channel, your shit better be dope.

866
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: That's that's one of the rules. So this ship was

867
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: really fucking dope.

868
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 8: Appreciate you guys. Check it out, man.

869
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're supposed to what you guys working on Jamie.

870
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 10: Yeah, stuff you guys got going on.

871
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 5: Absolutely, thank you for I appreciate that.

872
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, sir.

873
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Speaker 1: So look y'all, y'all already know what it is, man,

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Speaker 1: go check out the EP I pull it back up because.

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Speaker 4: Statistic vacant, statistic and nowhere to run.

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Speaker 1: It's Look, it's only twenty minutes, man, it's eight songs

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Speaker 1: twenty minutes, but it's it's some of the best twenty

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Speaker 1: minutes that you are going to experience musically. And when

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Speaker 1: it lose back around and it's forty minutes, you're like, well, damn,

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Speaker 1: I can let that be lou back around one more

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Speaker 1: gain for an hour, like you know. So, so it's

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Speaker 1: really good. But you'all already know what it is.

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Speaker 9: Man.

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Speaker 1: The comment section is the conversation after the conversation, So

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Speaker 1: if you have listened to it, let us know how

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Speaker 1: you feel about it. And if you have it, come

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Speaker 1: back and then leave a comment and let us know

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Speaker 1: how you feel about it. Make sure that you follow

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Speaker 1: I know everybody's tag. Social media tags will be on here,

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Speaker 1: so make sure you follow everybody. Make sure you go

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Speaker 1: download by and buy tickets when statistic is in your

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Speaker 1: time and.

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Speaker 9: So check out their EP check out the nowhere to run,

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Speaker 9: the the what did you Do EP that just came out,

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Speaker 9: check out Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, make sure make sure you support and we catch

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Speaker 1: you guys next time we out.

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Speaker 2: Peace.

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Speaker 8: Appreciate y'all.

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Speaker 5: Peace, Thank you guys,