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Speaker 1: And Grand Rising family, and thanks for starting your Tuesday

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Speaker 1: with us. Later, Kerry Gordy is the son of Motown

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Speaker 1: founder Barry Gordy, who will detail his latest project titled

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Speaker 1: Sunday Best. He also share some Motown stories with us.

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Speaker 1: But before Carrie, two of Henrietta Laxi's relatives, Ron lax

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Speaker 1: Before and also coming up, we're gonna speak with Detroit

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Speaker 1: activists Shashana Shakurse. She'll preview her latey's book about her brother,

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Speaker 1: attorney choquait La Mumba, talk about his role with the RNA,

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Speaker 1: African Studies, Dennis Boatwright. A lot of Detroit folks on

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Speaker 1: the here this morning with us. But first let's get

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Speaker 1: Kevin to opened the classroom doors. Grand Rising.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Grander Rising, indeed, I don't know what you see.

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Speaker 2: I had to put that d on their Grand Rising.

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Speaker 2: Hey man, can you see it?

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Speaker 3: Can you see it? First?

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Speaker 2: Let me ask a you feeling still learning well? This

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Speaker 2: is something to uh, definitely take a gander at. This

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Speaker 2: is the lunar eclipse, the blood moon. And uh just

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Speaker 2: got a call from Bob and Buffalo. He can see

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Speaker 2: it from New York. Can you see it?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 3: You you know?

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Speaker 1: No, you know, I'm gonna have to. I didn't look.

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Speaker 1: I heard about it this morning, but I don't look.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to the green room.

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Speaker 3: I guess.

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Speaker 1: I go to the green room during the break, I'll

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Speaker 1: go how long is it supposed to last?

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Speaker 3: By the way, it's gonna stop in a few minutes.

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Speaker 1: Carl, that's okay.

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Speaker 3: And then later tonight you you should be able to

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Speaker 3: see it red and.

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Speaker 1: Uh and so what color is he now? Kevin?

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Speaker 3: It's kind of ember, you know.

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Speaker 2: But I'm just going based on what I saw the

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Speaker 2: research last night about the blood moon. And but it

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Speaker 2: won't it won't look red until a full eclipse. But

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Speaker 2: it's about to disappear totally because the lunar eclipses when

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Speaker 2: the moon is I mean, when the Earth is in

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Speaker 2: front of the Sun and in between the Sun and

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Speaker 2: the moon and something like that. You see, and I

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Speaker 2: love these kinds of events. The next one won't happen

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Speaker 2: till what the twenty thirty or something.

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Speaker 1: You know, Oh, wow, you know what I want? Do

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Speaker 1: you think this it clips has anything to do what's

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Speaker 1: going on on this planet? You know, because a lot

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Speaker 1: of times the gravity of the pool of the moon,

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Speaker 1: you know, affects people differently.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 2: The moon definitely what brings tides and high tides and

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Speaker 2: high tides. Yeah, right, And since the human body is

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Speaker 2: eighty five percent water, that water has to be affected somehow.

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Speaker 2: So you know, so before you have your cup of coffee,

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing, you know, if our listeners are

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Speaker 1: do it what I look out? Please, you're right and

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Speaker 1: see if you see this this this what is it?

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Speaker 1: It's not the blood moon?

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Speaker 3: What is It's a lunar eclipse? Okay, lunar eclips and

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Speaker 2: And meanwhile, though you just get out and you know

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Speaker 1: Now it's the sight like like people out on the

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Speaker 2: Somebody bigger than you and I right through that, yeah man.

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Speaker 2: But in other big news, did you get adjusted to

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Speaker 2: But yeah, yesterday when President Donald Trump awarded the Medal

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Speaker 2: And he told some great stories about some of the people.

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Speaker 3: He was honoring.

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Speaker 2: And well, let's read it from the Associated Press. He

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Speaker 2: Retired command Sergeant Major Terry P. Richardson was recognized by

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Speaker 2: Guy got shot in his leg and he still kept

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Speaker 1: Is man, He does his own Let me say this though, though, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: do you think that was timed because of what's going

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Speaker 2: say it? A distraction? You know, watch the watch, watch

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Speaker 3: Some of the things. You know, how Trump's was a

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Speaker 2: And to the two guys who survived, he said, you

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Speaker 2: But Carl then, out of all of this, all of

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Speaker 3: He said, I love gold. Gold is my favorite color.

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Speaker 2: And he said that if you go behind that curtain,

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Speaker 2: there's just a big hole, a huge hole. And he said,

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Speaker 2: but soon it's going to be a very beautiful ballroom.

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Speaker 2: He says, I've built many ballrooms before, and this is

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Speaker 2: says him. And maybe he'll leave the curtains up instead

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Speaker 3: Fathom what it is.

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Speaker 2: In the moment that, you know, where he was honoring others,

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Speaker 1: So you think it was just all a diversion.

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Speaker 2: Was obviously a diversion, Carl. It was just I mean,

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Speaker 2: was talking about Milania and how Milania doesn't like the

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Speaker 2: but who would you know? He says that they started

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Speaker 1: Hey, he's trying to defuse reports that she doesn't stay

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, she presided over one of those meetings, and I

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Speaker 1: No, he can appoint anybody he wants to port. He

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Speaker 1: So why not his wife? You know?

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Speaker 1: On the third of March, man, before you go, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: got a shout out our listeners. Down in Texas, it's

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Speaker 1: an election day to day. Yeah yeah, Jasmine Crocketts on

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Speaker 1: the docket, and and Teller Caro she's run against it

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Speaker 1: interesting night for the folks in Texas. And everybody's going

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Speaker 1: to be watching that race because they think this is

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Speaker 1: this may give us a preview of what's coming up

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Speaker 1: in the fall and maybe for the twenty twenty eight elections.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, right as well.

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Speaker 2: So no matter which side of the aisle you're on.

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Speaker 2: Make sure you get out in the vote, Nancy.

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Speaker 3: That's right, yes, sir, so thanks for your time. Gone.

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Speaker 1: Back, all right, Thanks Kevin, all right, and that guess

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Speaker 1: Pan African Studies based in Detroit. Dennis Brot, Right, Grand Rising, Dennis,

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Speaker 7: To the program, Grand Rising.

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Speaker 1: All right, Dennis, help us out the situation that's going

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Speaker 4: conflate those two. But let's look at the two criterias

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Speaker 4: or accepting an IMF law based upon Bertino Fossil's official

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Speaker 4: They told me there's two things that they keep in mind,

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Speaker 4: and that is they make sure that the long stipulations

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Speaker 4: do not impinge upon the sovereignty of Bertino Fossil. That

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Speaker 4: means that they're not going to allow the the IML

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Speaker 4: board to They're not going to accept a loan that

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Speaker 4: costs them to sacrifice some of that sovereignty, like for example,

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Speaker 4: before Bertino, before Ibrahem Trrori came into power, it was

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Speaker 4: required that France get determined the side of Bertino Fossil's army.

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Speaker 4: So those stipulations are not a part of these IMF laws. Secondly,

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Speaker 4: another criteria is that the the diplomat told me last night,

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Speaker 4: is that whenever they're set alone, and it's not just

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Speaker 4: IMS loans, there are many other agencies around the world,

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Speaker 4: whether they're from China that comes to them. They're going

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Speaker 4: to make sure that accepting the loan is in the

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Speaker 4: interests of the Berkino Fossil people. So it's not something

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Speaker 4: for us to be worried about, but it's something for

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Speaker 4: us to realize how quickly the Brikino Fossil government is

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Speaker 4: maturing under immense pressure. So it's not we just look

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Speaker 4: at the terms. Let's look at the terms of these

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Speaker 4: IMF laws. These IMF laws are actually the percentages are

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Speaker 4: deranged from two to five percent interest. That's it. And

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Speaker 4: not only that. To clear up some of the misconceptions

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Speaker 4: about the recent accepting of IMF loans, they actually haven't

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Speaker 4: been accepted. Now, they actually haven't been accepted because Bertino

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Speaker 4: Fossil said that they want to examine it poorly the

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Speaker 4: terms of conditions of these IMF no loans. And what

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Speaker 4: I mean by that is is that these loans are

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Speaker 4: not agreed upon in one day. They're they're agreed upon

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Speaker 4: in very different stages or phases. And right now the

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Speaker 4: loan process is in the second phase.

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Speaker 1: So all right, and hold up there, right there, let

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Speaker 1: me shout out. The folks are just getting up. Twenty

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Speaker 1: nine minutes away from the top of that. You're listening

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Speaker 1: to the voice of Dennis Boat right. Dennish is from Detroit.

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Speaker 1: He is the director of the Center for Pan African

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Speaker 1: Studies in Detroit. Discussing a change and I guess theory

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Speaker 1: for some of the shand nations. You mentioned Bikino Fosso,

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Speaker 1: and I wasn't inn Guiro or Molly who's also accepted

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Speaker 1: these loans from the IMF family. The IMF is headquartered

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Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. They're always giving loans to the

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Speaker 1: quote unquote uh smaller nations and then they're usually mortgage

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Speaker 1: their resources to get these loans. And for the trajectory

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Speaker 1: that the shale nations who loans was the opposite way,

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden now they've they've made a

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Speaker 1: U turn and decided they need these money or they

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Speaker 1: are accepting this money. And also the health if you

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Speaker 1: can explain that to us Danish as well, because it's

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Speaker 1: with the IMF loans it may not have bodies on

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Speaker 1: the ground in Mali in this year, or and the

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Speaker 1: Bikino fossil, but with health folks, they're going to be

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Speaker 1: standing people. How can they trust these people? Because this

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Speaker 1: is a head scratching for many of us who've been

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Speaker 1: watching what's been going on in the shale nations because

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Speaker 1: one of their objectors was to operate without Western influence,

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Speaker 1: in Western interference, and now they're going taking loans from

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Speaker 1: the IMF and they cave into Donald Trump's request to

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Speaker 1: put for health. Explain all that for us and make

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Speaker 1: it makes sense for us.

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Speaker 11: Dennis, Oh, yes, yes, thank you.

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Speaker 4: And those are great questions, by the way, because we

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Speaker 4: want to be clear on what's going on. You know,

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Speaker 4: we realize, we understand the history as how IMS loans

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Speaker 4: have been used as debt traps against African nations and one,

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Speaker 4: so I understand people's anxiety and apprehensive about that. However,

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Speaker 4: you have to judge things on a case by case basis,

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Speaker 4: and that means is what that means that what are

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Speaker 4: the conditions of the loans. That's number one, because when

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Speaker 4: you see when Brikina Fossil became and by the way,

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Speaker 4: it is hard to be a captive ibraheator uri. By

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Speaker 4: the way, it's very you have to be a very

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Speaker 4: courageous people, not just to be like him, but a

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Speaker 4: Siigota as well as Fiani of the President of Niger.

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Speaker 4: But these you have to look at the stipulations of

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Speaker 4: these loans, and Brickina Fossil has made it clear that

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Speaker 4: they're not going to get any loans that's going to

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Speaker 4: put take their country in back backwards. So there's nothing

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Speaker 4: in these loans to suggest that in this particular case,

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Speaker 4: Brikino Fossil is going is doing the wrong thing. And

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Speaker 4: I say this to say just as me as a

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Speaker 4: Pan Africans, you know, my I do get loans from

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Speaker 4: European banks, and I imagine a lot of listeners out

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Speaker 4: here their money in white you know, European banks. So

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Speaker 4: by that self, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing.

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Speaker 4: But what really matters is the stipulations of these IMF

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Speaker 4: laws and in this particular case, they're it favorable to

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Speaker 4: or they're not disadvantageous to the Virtean Navi people. And

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Speaker 4: I would say that it's not just the IMF laws,

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Speaker 4: but Britino, when you've been under lonelyism for like one

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Speaker 4: hundred and fifty years, you have to slowly extricate yourself

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Speaker 4: from those colonial structures. And what I mean by that

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Speaker 4: is that it's not only the IMF loans that not

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Speaker 4: just African countries but many other countries get these loans

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Speaker 4: because they can't get capital from other places. But at

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Speaker 4: the same time we realize that it's not just the

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Speaker 4: IMF loan, Carl, it's also did you know that alliance

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Speaker 4: is a hell state still use the CEA file franc

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Speaker 4: as their currency or currency that is created by French.

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Speaker 4: They're not proud of that. But because of the colonial

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Speaker 4: history and how long it has been in Africa, you

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Speaker 4: have to slowly and hold on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Johnny's hold that thought right there because we

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Speaker 1: got to check the news. But that's another issue too.

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Speaker 1: That's and I think that's the main issue you mentioned

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Speaker 1: it. It's still using the sea for frank the using the

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Speaker 1: French running. But the worst that's not the bad part.

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Speaker 1: The worst spot that money is printed in France. How

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Speaker 1: would you you? I just don't get it. You're trying

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Speaker 1: to break away from these guys. You don't trust them,

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Speaker 1: but yet you trust them to print their money your money.

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Speaker 1: And these shal nations aren't the only one. It's a

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Speaker 1: lot of countries, but it's I think it may be

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Speaker 1: two or three countries that prints all the paper, the

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Speaker 1: money that we use, the Fiat money that we use.

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Speaker 1: So it's not just then, but you try to figure

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Speaker 1: out a way to print your own money. I think

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Speaker 1: if you're striving for total independence, that's why this is

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Speaker 1: this is a head scratch of what you tell us

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Speaker 1: now that some of the Sahale nations are taking money

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Speaker 1: from the IMF and also coddling up to Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: on a health move. So, as I mentioned, we got

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Speaker 1: to step aside and get caught up with the latest

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Speaker 1: news find on what's going on Iran as well as

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Speaker 1: the elections take a place in Texas. But when we

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Speaker 1: come back there, I'll let you explain that for us again. Family,

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Speaker 1: you two can get in on this con conversation with

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Speaker 1: Dennis Boat right. Dennis is the director of the Center

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Speaker 1: for Pan African Studies based in Detroit. You don't how

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Speaker 1: to reach him right now eight hundred four or five

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Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy and we'll take your phone calls

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Speaker 1: after we check the news. That's next and Grand Rising family,

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Speaker 1: thanks for waking up with us on this Tuesday morning,

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Speaker 1: sixteen minutes away from the top of the out of

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Speaker 1: the third day of March. By the way, this is

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Speaker 1: the anniversary of the Rodney King beating. This is the

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Speaker 1: Rodney King was speeding down, allegedly speeding down a California

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Speaker 1: freeway and the California Highway Patrol they we're following him,

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Speaker 1: chasing him, and they turned on the spotlights on him,

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Speaker 1: and Rodney got out the car and he mooned the

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Speaker 1: cops and that's why they beat him. And you know

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Speaker 1: the rest of the story. Anyway, this is that was

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Speaker 1: back in nineteen ninety one, Grand Rising Again Family. Later

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Speaker 1: this morning, we're gonna speak with Kerry Gordon Carries, the

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Speaker 1: son of Motown founder Barry Gordon. We're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about his latest project, The Sunday Best, and also you're

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Speaker 1: going to share some Motown stories with us. Before we

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Speaker 1: get to him, though, we're gonna speak with Ron lax

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Speaker 1: and maybe Alfred Carter, their relatives of Henriette A Laxi.

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Speaker 1: They just settled with a company that used the Henrietta

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Speaker 1: Laxi shells without the consent. Before all this, we're going

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Speaker 1: to speak an detroity. We'll speak with the activist Jashanna Shakur.

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Speaker 1: She's going to preview her his book about her brother,

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Speaker 1: you know his name, Attorney cho Quai Lamumba and hit

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Speaker 1: what he did with the RNA. We're gonna have all

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Speaker 1: of that and come up late this week. You and

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Speaker 1: hear from the University of Houston's doctor Gerald Horn. Also

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Speaker 1: media analysts WAYN. Gilman and Jonas Olympian doctor John Carlis.

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Speaker 1: So some of you I recalled John Collis from the

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Speaker 1: sixth day Olympics in Mexico City. He and Thomas Smith.

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Speaker 1: Why when they had that protest, they threw up their

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Speaker 1: the games. He'll be here and also Frederick Douglas, Reltive

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Speaker 1: Terrence Baty will join us. So if you are in Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: make sure you keep that radio locked in tight on

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Speaker 1: ten ten WLB. If you're in the DMV though, we're

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Speaker 1: rolling on fourteen fifty WL. All right, let's go back

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Speaker 1: to Dennis in Detroit. So Dennis, we're talking about the

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Speaker 1: Sahale Nations. And during the break, I got a note

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Speaker 1: from one of our listeners. I love our listious. They say,

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Speaker 1: Iran is now setting up its outreach to the Sahel

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Speaker 1: government's holding defense talks with Berkino Fasso in Tehran, so

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Speaker 1: it's moving into West Africa's it's trying to get closer

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Speaker 1: with it with and this is all. This meeting took

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Speaker 1: place actually a week ago, Tuesday before Donald Trump attacked

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Speaker 1: attacked Iran. So give us, you know, just mash out,

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Speaker 1: just work out what's going on here? The sign over

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Speaker 1: here on Donald Trump is attacking Iran. They're taking money

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Speaker 1: from the IMF, which is basically Washington ce on control

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Speaker 1: by the American government. We know that, and also that

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Speaker 1: they're engaging with Donald Trump on a health a health

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Speaker 1: piece as well. So work that out for us. Make it,

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Speaker 1: like I said, make it make sense for us this morning,

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Speaker 1: Go ahead.

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Speaker 4: Dennis, Uh yeah, thanks for that question. And West. We

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Speaker 4: first have to realize that Rukino Fossil is a nation

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Speaker 4: that's really only barely three years old, and they have

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Speaker 4: been birthed in a international order that has always been

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Speaker 4: hostile towards Africa. So it is a miracle just having

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Speaker 4: Rukino Fossil Molly in the year to proudly say that

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Speaker 4: they're independent's nations. What I'm saying by that is that

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Speaker 4: in itself is a miracle and something for us to

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Speaker 4: sell it rate. Because of they are young nations, we

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Speaker 4: should expect for them to make miscalculations, to make mistakes,

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Speaker 4: just like any other country. In regards to Iran, there's

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Speaker 4: a lot of things going on with you know, saying

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Speaker 4: that you know, Iran and Brikino Fossil are some top

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Speaker 4: somehow in the military tract alliance. But when we look

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Speaker 4: at the facts, Iran has its own problems. In Iran

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Speaker 4: right now pretty much can't even really help its own self.

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Speaker 4: But I just want to get back to the currency situations.

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Speaker 4: Because you're you're supposed to have control of your currency.

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Speaker 4: So because Brikino Fossil and alliances a health state are

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Speaker 4: very young, it takes time to rebuild a system to

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Speaker 4: reproduce money. In fact, the alliances of health states are

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Speaker 4: on trial. They say within two to three years they

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Speaker 4: would have their own currency. Because it is us, we

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Speaker 4: are anxious to see many positive results. But these things

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Speaker 4: take time. They take time, especially when you are holding office.

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Speaker 4: If it was up to the Britino Fossil, they would

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Speaker 4: have the best economy in the world. They would have

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Speaker 4: their own currency right now. They would be wouldn't be

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Speaker 4: getting IMF loans. And by the way, the Bergino Fossil

650
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Speaker 4: is not.

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Speaker 7: They are.

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Speaker 4: Somewhat cautious when they're accepting these IMF loans and as

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Speaker 4: I said, they haven't even accepted them yet. These are

654
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Speaker 4: they have made a tentative agreement based upon the stipulations

655
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Speaker 4: that are going to be unfolded in the coming weeks.

656
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Speaker 4: So they haven't accepted anything yet. There are they are,

657
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Speaker 4: they have made a tentative agreement. But I just want

658
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 4: to say this because a lot of time called our apprehensions,

659
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 4: apprehension of things can make us overlook what's actually happened.

660
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Speaker 4: Of course, we don't want them accepting IMF loans. However,

661
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Speaker 4: as the Jair their diplomat told me yesterday, we're a

662
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Speaker 4: poor country. Where are we going to get the money

663
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Speaker 4: for We can't even pay for the African Union. We

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Speaker 4: have Germany, we have China footing the bill of the

665
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Speaker 4: African Union of all places. So Africa is very poor.

666
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Speaker 4: So they have to get capital from other nations. However,

667
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Speaker 4: in this time, the liances, the health States are using

668
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Speaker 4: their natural resources as collateral to get these loans at

669
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Speaker 4: very low inchest rates.

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Speaker 1: Right and hold on, hold up, thought right there, and

671
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Speaker 1: that's interesting that you just what you just said. I

672
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: hope that family is listening to this. And ten minutes

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Speaker 1: away from top there, that's tennis boat.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 1: Dennis is the director of the Center for Pan African Studies.

676
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Speaker 1: They're based in Detroit. What you're saying, so now we

677
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Speaker 1: see the Russians and the Chinese coming in as well.

678
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Speaker 1: The Russians are providing security for a Bikino fossil So

679
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 1: that's why they're still in power. But they're trading their

680
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: mortgaging their mineral rights, Dennis, and the same thing's going

681
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: to happen with these IMF loans. It's like they're on

682
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Speaker 1: a financial treadmill. How do they get off that where

683
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: they don't need China, they don't need Russia, don't need

684
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Speaker 1: the United States, and it's totally dependent. You're saying it's

685
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 1: too soon, it's too early, that they're not strong enough

686
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Speaker 1: financially to go along on their own. Explain that for.

687
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Speaker 4: Us, Well, okay, just put this. I want the listeners

688
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 4: to put this in contact. Black people, including African Americans,

689
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 4: has been dominated to a system for the last six

690
00:40:54,800 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 4: hundred years. We have been out of power over the years.

691
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 4: We have been really engulfed by colonial systems and it

692
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 4: takes some time to evolve and escape completely from those systems.

693
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Speaker 4: We're talking about just a matter of three to four years.

694
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Speaker 4: Five years ago, there was never there was no such

695
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Speaker 4: thing as alliance as a health state. Now we have

696
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Speaker 4: three countries, fledgling countries, that don't have the wealth in

697
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 4: the military might as other superpowers to protect theyselves. But

698
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 4: in geopolitics, this is why you have coalitions and you

699
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 4: have alliances. Brakito, Fossil, Maley and Niger are not the

700
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Speaker 4: only one that get security guarantees from Russia in particular.

701
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Speaker 4: There's other countries that rely on Russia as times of

702
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Speaker 4: protector in the security realm. So what I'm saying is

703
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Speaker 4: this is that it's going to take some time and

704
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 4: we have to be patient, patient, but hopeful that in

705
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 4: sometimes the Bikino Fossil government is going to slowly be

706
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Speaker 4: able to wan themselves off of external help. That is

707
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 4: totally normal. And what I'm saying is when you look

708
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 4: at the loans, many people talk and we're against that.

709
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 4: We want to be totally independent, but there's a process.

710
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Speaker 4: As doctor Eric Conna to you on Bolikuar often bring out,

711
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 4: there's a process to full independence, and we have to

712
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Speaker 4: be patient and look at things from what the perspective

713
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Speaker 4: of the people in government who need.

714
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Speaker 1: So and hold that thought that Janny said ate away

715
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Speaker 1: from the top. Are you saying that they're not actually

716
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Speaker 1: trading one colonizer for another. These Neil cohins that the

717
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Speaker 1: Chinese and the.

718
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Speaker 4: Russian well well, as I said before Kina Fossol people,

719
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Speaker 4: they realized that they have no like doctor John Henry

720
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 4: Clark says that we have no friends, and they realized this. However,

721
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 4: being pragmatic and practical, had you not had these foreign

722
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Speaker 4: armies in the Sahal, you wouldn't have alliance of the

723
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Speaker 4: hell State because what happened to Maduro, what happened to

724
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Speaker 4: the Ayatola would have exactly happen to Captain Ibraheen troy

725
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Speaker 4: I Siei go To and Dua Rahamani Chiani in the

726
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Speaker 4: Jair had not they had the backing of these other people. Ideally,

727
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 4: we don't want them there. We don't want them there. However,

728
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Speaker 4: it takes a process for us to build up our

729
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 4: security system in order for us to protect ourselves. Now

730
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Speaker 4: the question becomes this when you look at we as

731
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Speaker 4: we said, we are our own friends. We look at

732
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Speaker 4: it like that. But being practical, just like any others

733
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Speaker 4: like Israel need United States, they need United States, South

734
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Speaker 4: Korea need the United States, Taiwan needs the United States. Well,

735
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Speaker 4: Africa need certain countries in there for investments as well

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Speaker 4: as to offer security guarantees. Without that, we would say

737
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Speaker 4: with certainty that the West will still be one hundred

738
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Speaker 4: percent dominating the held region of Africa. It's not just that,

739
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Speaker 4: but the entire Western region of Africa had not these

740
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Speaker 4: Russia or China been in there. That doesn't mean that

741
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 4: China are good people. That don't mean Russians are heroes.

742
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 4: That only means that Russia and China can be used

743
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 4: at expedients for a bigger objective.

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Speaker 1: That objective. So you're saying these are baby.

745
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 4: Steps, well these are these They're not baby steps, they

746
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 4: are really heroic steps because mister Carl, you have to

747
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 4: realize that when the before or five years ago, we

748
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 4: wouldn't even we didn't even find them, that any African

749
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 4: nation would have the audacity to say that we are independent.

750
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Speaker 4: Now we have the poorest country in the world, one

751
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Speaker 4: of the poorest country in the world, need jeer kicking

752
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 4: out on foreign forces taking control of the uranium. That's

753
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 4: something to celebrate about. But in their quest to get

754
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 4: total liberation and continue to be example for other African nations,

755
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 4: they're gonna make mistakes because they're dealing with zero or

756
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 4: no care. Yes, they have those natural resources but for

757
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 4: over one hundred and something years, they never had the

758
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 4: refining capacity to do anything. So what we need to

759
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 4: be doing is try to figure out how can we

760
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Speaker 4: exsist them and come better. How can we help them

761
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Speaker 4: to help ensure that they're not making as many mistakes.

762
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Speaker 4: Because I'm gonna tell you this, the importance of African

763
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 4: Americans is that we built the United States with skill set.

764
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Speaker 4: That's why we were enslaves because we brought a certain

765
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Speaker 4: skill set and the same thing the beauty that we

766
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 4: built in Washington, d c. We can also bring our

767
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Speaker 4: skill self over there to Africa over there in Bikino, Fossil,

768
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 4: Molly and Jeer and replicate what we did in Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia.

769
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Speaker 4: You're naming so I.

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Speaker 1: Hold out thought right that Danny. So we've got to

771
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: check the traffic and weather out different cities. Let me

772
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: come back. Cliff asks a question for its from Connecticut. Family,

773
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: you can do the same. You can reach Dennis as well.

774
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: Just hit us up at eight hundred four or five

775
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take a phone

776
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: calls after we check the trafficing weather. That's next and

777
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: Grand Rising family, if Thanks for starting your Tuesday with

778
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: us and our guests Dennish boat Right. Dennis is the

779
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: director of the Center for Pan African Studies, is based

780
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: in Detroit. He's given us an update on what's going

781
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: on in the Sahel nations, Pequino, Faso, Nishier, and Amali.

782
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: We're is finding out that they have taken or it

783
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: says they're about to take a loan from the IMF,

784
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Speaker 1: the International Monetary Fund, which is the which is the

785
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: world bank for so called third world nations. It's where

786
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: they go out and get loans. Usually they have to

787
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: mortgage their futures or the or in the case of

788
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: the African countries, they have to mortgage their minerals for

789
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: them as well. So that's that's that's an issue that

790
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: some people find disconcerting. So what are your thoughts eight

791
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. I

792
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: mentioned Cliff in Connecticut has want to speak with Dennis's

793
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Speaker 1: online too, Grand Rising, Cliff, you're onund with Dennis boat Right, take.

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Speaker 9: A grand resident for the columnty your guest, mister boat Right.

795
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 9: Not too sure on the logistics and this is kind

796
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 9: of new to me. But just based on principle and

797
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 9: just based on theory and concept, I got to agree

798
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 9: with brother Kyl Man, you know, brother boat right, this

799
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 9: doesn't sound too good, you know. And I'm glad, And

800
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 9: let me say this. I'm glad you mentioned America and Israel.

801
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 9: And I would say this because in my opinion, I

802
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 9: think the controlling and financial and superpower out of the

803
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 9: two is Israel. And I believe man that that there

804
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 9: is there is a commitment and obligation from America to

805
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 9: support Israel in my opinion. So so basically speaking, to

806
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 9: make it, you know, to break it down to a

807
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 9: little bit more simpler terms, and using a phrase coming

808
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 9: from the hood, that's selling out, you know what I'm saying.

809
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 9: So when somebody oh lends you something, you are forever

810
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 9: in debt until you pay that debt off. So if

811
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 9: Rakino Fossil is getting money getting a loan, whatever they do,

812
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 9: however they own let loan, they are being controlled, if

813
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 9: that makes any sense, just based on theory. Now, if

814
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 9: I'm wrong, please explain that to me. And then you

815
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Speaker 9: also made one more thing. You said that there's possibly

816
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 9: that there could be a mistake. So it sounds like

817
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 9: you're not too confident in what's taking place, and now

818
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 9: you're saying that it might have been a mistake. So

819
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 9: you know, explain your thoughts again and where you stand

820
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,760
Speaker 9: on this, Brother.

821
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Speaker 4: Cliff from Baltimore. You bring up some great points. When

822
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 4: I say make mistakes, I say that there are moments

823
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 4: and there will be a casions, not with Bakino fossil,

824
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 4: not just with Bikino fossil, but anybody even up individually.

825
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 4: That we may make choices that may be less ideal.

826
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 4: That doesn't mean that at the choice or decision is bad.

827
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 4: And let me bring it your suspicions. As the Pan

828
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 4: Africa is, I'm very concerned about even just mentioning the

829
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 4: IMS loans, especially for Berkino fossil. But understanding geopolitics, as

830
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 4: I had mentioned earlier, is that when you're dealing, even

831
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 4: with an adversary, you have to keep one of the

832
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 4: windows slightly open, because you cannot totally cut off communications

833
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 4: with anybody in the world that's interconnected because something If

834
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 4: you do that, you're going to put yourself in a

835
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 4: more precarious situation. I give you some examples. Germany and

836
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 4: France were abject enemies about enemies of each other. Now

837
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 4: both of them are the NATO. So what I'm saying

838
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 4: is we have to be patient and we have to

839
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 4: have a wait and see attitude. And as I mentioned before,

840
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 4: based upon the diplomats of Bertino Fossil that I spoke

841
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 4: with yesterday on this issue, is that they have not

842
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 4: agreed to anything. However, it is a slow process in

843
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 4: a phase to ultimately im possibly agree to these loans. Now,

844
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 4: just on the face of this, as a human being,

845
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 4: did you know that the loan agreements only says that

846
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 4: Bertino Fossil has to pay two point three percent interest.

847
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 4: That's phenomenally low. So it's not the fact.

848
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Speaker 1: But I mean, give remember for a second, Danish, it's

849
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: not the interest rate, it's not the terms of the loan.

850
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: I guess it's it's what it looks like if you're

851
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: gonna be independent and the things that you're you know,

852
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: you say that you're not gonna be involved with, You're

853
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,959
Speaker 1: gonna do it all your way, and you're not gonna

854
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 1: involve with with Western countries and their money and their

855
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: loans and their support. All of a sudden, I'm gonna

856
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: take the loan, and I'm gonna all persons, you're gonna

857
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: talk to Donald Trump, gonna you're gonna partner with Trump

858
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: on a health issue. These are it's a real head

859
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 1: scratcher for for other maybe not for you as a

860
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: Pan Africans, but other Panafricars. Everyone what's going on, you know.

861
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 1: So we're trying to get some clarification on this.

862
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 4: Well, I'm not jumping up and down, and we just

863
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 4: want to take really Donald Trump's personality out there. But

864
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 4: what we're dealing with is this, we have to take

865
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 4: these loan agreements on an individual basis. And what I'm

866
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 4: saying is Bikino Fossil has the right at any moment

867
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 4: in the phase of disagreement to opt out, and they

868
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 4: have said that they're not going to agree with any

869
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 4: stipulations that jeopardize the sovereignty of their country. Secondly, they're

870
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 4: not going to agree upon any long stipulations that are

871
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 4: not in the interests of their people. Those are two

872
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 4: things that we should be thinking about. But what's happening

873
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 4: is because we over here in the United States, we

874
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 4: have reasons to be apprehensive. And I'm apprehended. I know,

875
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 4: I'm not delighted to hear this, but in geopolitics, you

876
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 4: have to deal sometimes even with your adversary on a

877
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 4: case by case basis. So what we're doing is many

878
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 4: people are jumped into conclusions that everything is falling apart

879
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 4: in the lince of of health States. But what I'm

880
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 4: trying to say is give it time. They don't even

881
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 4: have the loan yet. Let's see what happens in you

882
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 4: certain metrics to determine whether there was a good or

883
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 4: bad decision.

884
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: Right. That's all right there, because we're racing the clock

885
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: right right, and Malik wants to drown us from Detroit.

886
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 1: It has a question for you. He's on line three

887
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: Grand Rise and Milik, he're on with Dennis.

888
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 11: Boat right, Yes, sir, I'm CFO for me and Dennis's organization.

889
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 11: Just to make things since when we spread this to

890
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 11: say hell yesterday, they wanted to herrigorate two main things.

891
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 11: Number one, they are not about to allow their people

892
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 11: to be disrespected and that they will keep their sovereignty.

893
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 11: In the same context, we have to keep in mind

894
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 11: that the West has specific resources that it needs to

895
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 11: keep this wheel moving, gold, manganese, zinc, lithium. For an example,

896
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 11: the agreement could be which some of this information is

897
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 11: a private matter which won't be made public. And I

898
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 11: somewhat feel that the United States made this media posting

899
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 11: as a way to disenfranchise THEA hell, you know they're

900
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 11: going to accept the IMF loan, and we know the

901
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 11: IMF has the history of privatizing the African continent at

902
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:26,240
Speaker 11: the same time removing social services from the African continent,

903
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 11: which number one. We know that the sa Hella will

904
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 11: not agree to that. However, I'm pretty sure they would

905
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 11: agree to compensating the loans with the resources that the

906
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 11: West needs. So if they take one hundred million dollar loan,

907
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 11: they could give up one hundred and twenty million dollars

908
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 11: in lithium and the loan will be satisfied. So we're

909
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 11: not thinking realistically. We're just thinking as the West is

910
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 11: this big, bad monster, and that the the hell is

911
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 11: this little kid that literally just get Boston kicked around,

912
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 11: and we're just going to do whatever they tell us

913
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,439
Speaker 11: to do. No, this is not that type of the hell.

914
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 11: These are men that are serious about their mission to

915
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 11: liberate their people.

916
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: We got to that because we got another guest on deck.

917
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: Oh thank you for your call, Emelik. I wish you'd

918
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: call earlier and Dennis also thanking Dennis before we let

919
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: you go, though. What else is coming down the pike

920
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: for the Shale.

921
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,720
Speaker 11: Nations, Well, the to Hell Nations.

922
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 4: I will be in Washington, d C. Next week and

923
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 4: they're having a fireside chat with people, particular people about

924
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 4: the success of the Alliance and of health stakes, and

925
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 4: what we're trying to do is we're trying to get

926
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 4: more people educated on this matter, like the call of Elite,

927
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 4: who just brought out the fact that we are showing

928
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 4: a lack of confidence in the decision making of all

929
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 4: and we have to remember that the hell reason the

930
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 4: Alliance is a hell state didn't exist five years ago,

931
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 4: and we just have to be patient. There's a lot

932
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 4: of things with what's really happening is is that around

933
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:20,479
Speaker 4: the world, especially on the continent of Africa, people see

934
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 4: Britina Fossil as a model of success. All the younger

935
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 4: people they see, uh, Britina Fossil as a model. So

936
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 4: there's a lot of good things that's going on.

937
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, because we got to run, Dennis. But I'll

938
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: tell you what, keep using the loop man, let us

939
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: know how that meeting turns out. Let us know if

940
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: they really accept along from the I m f well

941
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: they really get in bed with Donald Trump on the

942
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,919
Speaker 1: health issue as well, because I guess perception, I guess

943
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: the the the the when you look at it on

944
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: the on the just a superficial level, it's it's not

945
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: looking good. Is gonna be straight with you, and you

946
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: know you probably yourself asking the same questions. But if

947
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: you get the answers from the folks in Bikino, Fasso,

948
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: Molly and the Shia, please pass it on to us.

949
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 4: Yes, and thank you for having me on the show.

950
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 4: But also remember we're not privy to actually what goes

951
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 4: on internally in those discussions. We just see what the

952
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 4: media put out there for us and something.

953
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,439
Speaker 1: Well, that's why I'm asking you to get the real deal,

954
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: you know, That's why I'm asking you.

955
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 4: I'm going to get the real deal. I got it

956
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 4: last night and I will be in rochtt DC Wednesday

957
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 4: sitting next to some of the ambassadors and I will

958
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 4: be delighted to come back. But thank you for all

959
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 4: those Those are great questions.

960
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:45,919
Speaker 1: And ask them those questions. You tell them that people

961
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: want to know, inquiry minds want to know, so you know,

962
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: pose those questions to them when you when you meet

963
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: with them on Wednesday.

964
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,479
Speaker 4: All right, I sure will, Carl, all.

965
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: Right, thanks Danny and family. We're going to stay in Detroit.

966
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: They got a Detroit folks on the Today we all

967
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: we're going to speak with the activist Detroit activists, Shashana Shakur.

968
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: Later we're going to speak with Kerry Gordy, who was

969
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: born in Detroit. We're going to talk about Motown. We

970
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: talk about his latest project, Sunday Best is a TV

971
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: show on Netflix. But right now, let's go to Sister

972
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: Shashana Shakur. Grand Rising, Sister Shashana, welcome back to the program, the.

973
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 12: Grand Rhysing and revolutionary. Greetings from Detroit, Brother Carl, and

974
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 12: greetings to.

975
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: You sis, because I know you know Dennis. We're talking

976
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: about international affairs. Let's talk about some local affairs now

977
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: with your brother who HAPs to be your late brother,

978
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: Attorney cho Quilt Mumba. You've written a book about your brother,

979
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: cho Qui La Mumba. What made you decide to do

980
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: this book, this project?

981
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 12: Okay? And I just want to applaud brother Dennis and

982
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 12: the work that he's doing with Japan Africanism community. And

983
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 12: keeping us uh informed of what's happening.

984
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 13: But what timpted me to write this book.

985
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 12: When transitioned from this planet, I just didn't know what

986
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 12: to do with that information. I didn't know how to

987
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 12: receive it and how to accept it. And the thoughts

988
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 12: occurred to me that he was an unsung hero, he

989
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 12: left too soon, and that people needed to know about

990
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 12: this unsung hero. And that's why I decided to write

991
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 12: the book.

992
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: Yeah fourteen half the top there with this, Sister Shashana

993
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: should cur her brother is Choqui Lamember. He's an attorney

994
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: as a member of the RNA, also was a mayor

995
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: of Jackson, Mississippi. He covered so many places. But Sister Shashana,

996
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: is there something about your brother that you think that

997
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: the public should know that we don't know. We know

998
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 1: all the things that he did publicly, but is it

999
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: something that you think that we should know that the

1000
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: rest of the folks don't know about your brother?

1001
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 12: Well, I think the people don't know the sum of

1002
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 12: what he did for our people, the community. I like

1003
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 12: to put my brother in the same circle with revolutionary

1004
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 12: leaders like our brother Malcolm X, like MegaR Evers and

1005
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 12: Martin Luther King and Mariopah daily and you know a

1006
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 12: Jamille I mean kwameterrect. I put him up there and

1007
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 12: he didn't get assassinated like you know first brothers I mentioned,

1008
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 12: but he sacrificed. All those brothers sacrifice most either going

1009
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 12: to prison for long extended periods or losing their lives.

1010
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 12: And what choe Quay did, first of all, he represented

1011
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 12: a lot of the political prisoners, the brothers who were

1012
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 12: falsely incarcerated. And then secondly he sacrificed lot. He went

1013
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 12: to jail.

1014
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 4: I always tell people choe Quay was.

1015
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 12: One of the only attorneys I knew that went to

1016
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 12: jail with his client. And people need to understand that

1017
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 12: the sacrifices he made and being a lawyer. He had

1018
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 12: even left law school after his first year, matriculating at

1019
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 12: the very one person at the top of his class,

1020
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 12: and he left to go help brother Murray, who was

1021
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 12: president of the Republic of North Africa at that time.

1022
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 4: He left to go to.

1023
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 12: Mississippi and he stayed down there helping the people for

1024
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 12: almost three years. And when he.

1025
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: Their sister Shashana, we got to take a short break

1026
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: and when we come back, though, before me, you tell

1027
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: us his trip to to Mississippi. How did it all start,

1028
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: you guys growing up in the same household? What was

1029
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 1: it I'm becoming revolutionaries?

1030
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 14: What was it was?

1031
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: Was it your parents or was it something that happened

1032
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 1: to you in Detroit? Explain that to us when we

1033
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: get back. Family, you two can get in on this

1034
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 1: conversation with our guests. Shashana should course, she's an actress

1035
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: out of Detroit. She's written a book about her brother.

1036
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: Some of you know him as attorney cho Quai Lamumba.

1037
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: You know with what he was the mayor of Jackson, Mississippi,

1038
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 1: or may have known when he was with the RNA,

1039
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: or was the attorney for all these all these freedom

1040
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: fighters that got arrested. What are your thoughts? You can

1041
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: hook up with us at eight hundred and four or

1042
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your

1043
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 1: phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling

1044
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: with us on this Tuesday morning here the third day

1045
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: of March, with our guest, sister Shashana Shakur out of Detroit.

1046
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 1: Maybe you may not know where you know and now

1047
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: her brother was cho Q Lamumba. Choque was one of

1048
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 1: these Brilli and brothers, not not only scholastically but also tactically.

1049
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: It's also a member of the RNA. Is also the

1050
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: mayor of Jackson, Mississippi. But my question to you before

1051
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 1: we left the break, Shoshana, how did he get this?

1052
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: What's the spirit? There's a revolutionary spirit that is in

1053
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 1: your family? Well, how did that start? Well, there's something

1054
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: happened with Gavey explain that to the family.

1055
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 5: For us.

1056
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 12: Okay, Scante, my brother, our parents, he uh definitely inherited

1057
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 12: and received revolutionary spirit from our parents. Our parents were

1058
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 12: very active members of the civil rights movement, so much

1059
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 12: so that during the Selma and Montgomery marches and boycotts,

1060
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 12: and they, our parents were a part of a group

1061
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 12: here in Detroit called the Catholic Family Movement, and particularly

1062
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 12: the Black Catholic Family Movement, and some of the white

1063
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 12: members of the group would take money and son for

1064
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 12: youth who had been uh you know, uh put in jail, beaten,

1065
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 12: you know, just really had uh in in in marching

1066
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 12: and being a part of that protest movement, and they

1067
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 12: would bring them up here to Detroit, and then the

1068
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 12: Black Family uh, the members of that group would take

1069
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 12: these youth in. So my parents took youth in who

1070
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 12: were uh you know, abused and beaten during that movement

1071
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 12: and give them a respite, uh from all of that.

1072
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 12: And my parents also took choe Quay and took all

1073
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 12: eight of us, it was eight children to see doctor

1074
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 12: Martin Luther King when he was here in Detroit and

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01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 12: speaking in front of thousands of people. Choe Quay was

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01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 12: a teenager. He remembers that he remember bergs my mother

1077
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 12: collecting for snick donations for that organization. So he was

1078
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 12: able to observe our parents and what they did in

1079
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 12: the movement. And I think Choqua not I think is

1080
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 12: the book, you know, you'll learn that. He said, the

1081
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 12: number one factor that motivated him into the movement was

1082
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 12: the knowledge of Mtill that my mother shared with him

1083
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 12: and what happened. And then later he became active in

1084
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 12: the movement in college when doctor Martin Luther King was

1085
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 12: assassinated and that's how he was, you know, brought into

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01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 12: the movement.

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01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 1: So how did he get involved with the RNA the

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01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 1: Republic of New Africa.

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01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 12: So here in Detroit there was New Betho Church and

1090
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 12: event it was Reverend Ceo Franklin's church, arecha Franklin's father's church.

1091
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 12: You know, Reverend Franklin was an activist. He was a

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01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 12: part of bringing Martin Luther King here many times. I

1093
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 12: believe he was also a part of, you know, of

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01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 12: helping with bringing Malcolm here Gahiti. Milton Henry was mainly

1095
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 12: responsible for that. But this particular day in nineteen I

1096
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 12: think sixty eight, the Republic of nor Africa was having

1097
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 12: a celebration of the organization of organizing at Reverend Franklin's

1098
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 12: church and it was men, women and children, over four

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01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:54,959
Speaker 12: hundred of them babies in this church. And the legioneers

1100
01:07:56,280 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 12: of the military group of Republic of now Africa were

1101
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 12: outside the church patrolling and securing, and the police rolled

1102
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 12: up at some point, and then a shootout ensued. And

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01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 12: if you read the book you'll find out the exact

1104
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:17,600
Speaker 12: details of how that happened. And then uh, there was

1105
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 12: a brother Chapol Fuller, Raphael Vier three brothers and Albert

1106
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 12: two exhibit, were all charged with a police officer was

1107
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 12: murdered in that shootout and a and another one injured. Uh,

1108
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 12: and and so they were charged and dedicated, they were

1109
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:44,680
Speaker 12: you know, exonerated. And also please read this bookcause the

1110
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 12: tales about the courageous mental judge Crockett who goes down

1111
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:52,679
Speaker 12: after they take over almost two hundred people to jail,

1112
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 12: and he goes down and let my people go. He

1113
01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:01,759
Speaker 12: let them out of there right. But anyway, Chaka Fuller

1114
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 12: was amongst the brothers accused and brother Carol. Chaka Fuller

1115
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 12: just happened to grow up with Choqua and my eldest brother.

1116
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 12: He was my eldest brother's friend, and so he invited

1117
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 12: my eldest brother who brought cho Quay to a Republican

1118
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 12: New Africa meeting and the rest is history. For the

1119
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 12: most part, there was an elder named Papa will Zamwar Pashai,

1120
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 12: one of the founders and signers of the Republican New Africa,

1121
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 12: who convinced Choqua to join the Republic of New Africa.

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01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 4: That's how he was brought in.

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01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:46,599
Speaker 1: Got you got some folks want to talk to your sister.

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01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 1: Shashana eight zero seventy eight seventy six of Bob's in

1125
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 1: Buffalo has a question for you. He's online one grand

1126
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:55,719
Speaker 1: rising Bobby on with Shashana Shakur.

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01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 5: Right listen, I said love and maximum respect. I want

1128
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 5: you to give the name of your book and how

1129
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:08,639
Speaker 5: we can get it, and the story has to be told.

1130
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:12,560
Speaker 5: And I'm glad that you stopped just saying RNA and

1131
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 5: said Republic of New Africa because some people don't know

1132
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:18,600
Speaker 5: what those initials mean. And you need to repeat the

1133
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 5: Republican New Africa and how freedom was forced upon us.

1134
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 5: But independence is a choice that we can make and

1135
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 5: ask people to ask themselves under whose jurisdiction do we

1136
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 5: find ourselves now? And we call this freedom, But what

1137
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 5: does independence truly look like? Blessed Love, maximum respect. What's

1138
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 5: the name of the book?

1139
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 12: Awesome, my brother Bob, I appreciate you. The name of

1140
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 12: the book is Memories of My Revolutionary Brother Show quite

1141
01:10:56,040 --> 01:11:01,480
Speaker 12: a Mumba, Memories of My Revolutionary Brother Sho Kwai Lammba

1142
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 12: And right now is selling on Amazon and we're waiting

1143
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:12,719
Speaker 12: for a black owned book company to get it into

1144
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 12: their stores. And the name of that company is Source Booksellers.

1145
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 12: You could go online, it's to Amazon or Source Booksellers

1146
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 12: and order the book.

1147
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 1: Uh, Sisters, Shishanna, you had a book shine in over

1148
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 1: the weekend. How did that turn out?

1149
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 12: Oh, brother Carl, it was just awesome, beautiful brought tiers

1150
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 12: to many people, guys, and and for me it brought

1151
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 12: tears to me to see how many people still remember

1152
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 12: my brother and love my brother. And it was actually

1153
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 12: we sold out a books. That's how great it was.

1154
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 10: You know.

1155
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 1: All right, good to hear that. Twenty eight after topic,

1156
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:00,799
Speaker 1: some more folks want to talk to you, sister, Shashana.

1157
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 1: Brother Corliss in Waldorf is online too, Grand Rising brother

1158
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 1: on with Shashana Shakur Grand Rising, my.

1159
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 15: Dear brother and my dear sister, sister Shosshana. I have

1160
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 15: heard you before, and I've been trying to reach out

1161
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 15: to you. Uh, and I'm looking forward to getting the book.

1162
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 15: But broadly, oh, it seems that your brother and and

1163
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 15: you and others have been fighting this.

1164
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:36,640
Speaker 16: In a nice scene war on our people.

1165
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 15: To abvert the genocide.

1166
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 3: Yea.

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01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 15: You are dealing with the bad water situation up there

1168
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 15: in Finton, Michigan. He was dealing with the bad water.

1169
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 16: Situation down in Jackson, Mississippi.

1170
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 17: Uh, and.

1171
01:12:55,800 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 16: You're dealing with the gentrification at taxing over taxing of

1172
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 16: our people up there and Detroit and so forth. And

1173
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 16: so I would want to ask you, uh, you know

1174
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 16: what is why is there such an overarching effort to

1175
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 16: create genocide among our people, and could you leave a

1176
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 16: number where you can be reached if before we get

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01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 16: offline here, because we have the same issues going down

1178
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 16: in certain areas in our particular metropolitan areas down in

1179
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 16: this particular area in terms of over taxing and bad

1180
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 16: water situations being created on our people as well. And

1181
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 16: I think it's it's it's the camel's nose on the

1182
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 16: tent to wape or wipe our people off the planet,

1183
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:55,640
Speaker 16: if you follow what.

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01:13:55,680 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 12: I mean, right, Okay, brother Carlos Uh. I appreciate your

1185
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 12: your thoughts and and your truths this morning, because those

1186
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 12: issues are certainly we're prevalent when when my brother was

1187
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:17,759
Speaker 12: here and still are and I think you may also

1188
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 12: be referencing his son who was mayor during that water

1189
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:26,719
Speaker 12: crisis down there as severe water crisis which is still

1190
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 12: ongoing hasn't been completely fixed. But in terms of yeah,

1191
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 12: the genocide and why why is all this happening? Why

1192
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 12: are they doing it? I mean, I think it's at

1193
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:49,680
Speaker 12: this point so obvious with the the evil person we

1194
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 12: have uh in in the White House at this point

1195
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 12: and and all those surrounding him. I remember my brother

1196
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 12: Uh once told me about President O. I'ma who I

1197
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 12: was so happy had gotten elected, and he said, you know,

1198
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 12: with caution that you know, that's some good that that happened.

1199
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 12: But he said, just remember Shashina, Uh, he doesn't control

1200
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:21,639
Speaker 12: what's going on. And and Trump, you know, as much

1201
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 12: as many of us hate him and or disdain him

1202
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 12: and what he's doing, there's a machinery behind him that's

1203
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 12: allowing him to do what he's doing. So, yeah, they're

1204
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:42,799
Speaker 12: trying to just you know, retain power. That's my personal

1205
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 12: thought that all this gentrification and over tax assessment and

1206
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:54,639
Speaker 12: you know water, you know, conditions that they won't fix

1207
01:15:54,880 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 12: where it's mainly predominantly affecting people of color. Yeah, they

1208
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 12: wanted to get rid of people of color. Robert Williams,

1209
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:09,640
Speaker 12: President of the Republic of New Africa, once taught us

1210
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 12: that you know, the people of color uh in this

1211
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 12: world actually the majority, but the white people, the European

1212
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 12: they have the power and they're going to fight to

1213
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 12: the death to retain that power. And I think that's

1214
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 12: what all of this is about. In terms of getting

1215
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 12: in touch with me and my brother, you know, I'm

1216
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:41,799
Speaker 12: at Shashana Shakuah at gmail dot com and brother Carl

1217
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 12: can give you my personal number.

1218
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 1: All right, twenty seven away from the top of our family,

1219
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 1: just waking up, just joining us. That's sister Shashanah. Of

1220
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 1: course he's written a book about her brother brother Choque

1221
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 1: Lamumba Choque well known attorney, fighter for our people, also

1222
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 1: a remember the Republic of New Africa, also was mayor

1223
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 1: of Jacksonssissippian and then his son became mayor of Jackson

1224
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 1: at Choque Anton Shakour became mayor of Jackson, Mississippi and

1225
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:11,720
Speaker 1: dealt with a water crishes. The Uh brother brother from

1226
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:14,640
Speaker 1: Waldolf Brother Collins was talking about as MS. As we've

1227
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: got some more folks want to talk to. Let's go

1228
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 1: on line three. It's attorney and Kichi Taifa con from Washington,

1229
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 1: DC wants to speak with it. Grian Rising attorney and Kichi.

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01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 12: Hey sister.

1231
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 18: Said, I am just so excited. I just want to

1232
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 18: call Nelson audience to know that through the powerful pen

1233
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:42,799
Speaker 18: of his devoted sister, the Escheme coaches Shushana Shakur were.

1234
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 19: Gifted with an intimate perspective that none other than she

1235
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 19: could do justice too. As not only his blood sister,

1236
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 19: but also as his staunch confidants. The book incorporates moving

1237
01:17:56,120 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 19: family and close associated remembrances to her book Memories of

1238
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:04,680
Speaker 19: a Revolutionary Brother. It captures the courage, the compassion, and

1239
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 19: the conviction of a giant of a man, and it

1240
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:11,600
Speaker 19: resrectist legacy for generations to come. Let me tell you this,

1241
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 19: Chue Way in the Mumber was not just Sushina's revolutionary brother.

1242
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:19,640
Speaker 19: He was a revolutionary brother to us all. And I

1243
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:23,879
Speaker 19: gotta say I had the honor. I'm working very closely

1244
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:24,919
Speaker 19: with brother Choquait.

1245
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 20: He was my mentor in the law. He was my

1246
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 20: comrad with the Republic of New Africa, the National Conference

1247
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 20: of Black Lawyers, the National Coalition of Blacks Reparations in America,

1248
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 20: to the defense of doctor Mantulushaku and other political prisoners.

1249
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 20: For over four decades, I personally witnessed Choque as a

1250
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 20: legal legend, as a political visionary, as a husband, as

1251
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 20: a father, as a man, as a person who loved

1252
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 20: his people furiously. And I had the honor of learning

1253
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:57,960
Speaker 20: from his thrillings in movement trenches. And I was trying

1254
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 20: to host some readion see him in Washington for his

1255
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:03,799
Speaker 20: maorial campaign. I was filled to teach his daughter Hukia

1256
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 20: at Howard Law School. Had I celebrated his younger son

1257
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 20: Choquayan car had she carried his father's at the Tour

1258
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 20: of Tours.

1259
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 19: So kudo shot the shippur to bring your brother story

1260
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 19: to life.

1261
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 1: Oh wow, right, So.

1262
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 12: Brother Carol in chi Chi, who was not only you

1263
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 12: know my brother mentored her in law, but like she said,

1264
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:35,559
Speaker 12: he was her comrade in the struggle the reparations movement.

1265
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 12: They wrote a book together and uh was it Reparations? Yes?

1266
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 20: Or was that a brother Marie that was second nineteen

1267
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 20: eighty seven Reparations.

1268
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 5: Yes.

1269
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 20: It ended up being on the band booklest in twenty twenty.

1270
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 19: I wrote that book with Chequel moonby.

1271
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 18: Mario by Daily way back in nineteen eighty seven.

1272
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1273
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:01,719
Speaker 12: Right. And this queen attorney s in Keich, she traveled

1274
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 12: all the way from DC to Detroit to launch the

1275
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 12: book and so and she was also a constant inspiration

1276
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 12: to me, brother Carol and writing them a whole up thought.

1277
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:20,840
Speaker 1: Right there, Sister Shashana, I'll let you respond to that

1278
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 1: when we get back. We got to check the news

1279
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 1: and traffic and weather in our different cities coming up.

1280
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:26,799
Speaker 1: And also I just wish and thank you again attorney

1281
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,679
Speaker 1: and Kichi Taif from Washington, DC. We need more attorneys

1282
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 1: like sister and ki Chie Taifa and Choquial Lamumba. What

1283
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:34,600
Speaker 1: are your thoughts? Family, you want to get in on

1284
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 1: this conversation, reach out to us at eight hundred four

1285
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy sixth and we'll take your

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Speaker 1: phone calls after we check the news. Trafficking weather that's next.

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Speaker 1: And Grand Rising family, thank you staying with us on

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Speaker 1: this Tuesday morning, this third day of March. I guess

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Speaker 1: this sister Shoshana, she course, she's an activists out of Detroit.

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Speaker 1: She would have written a book about her brother, Choquial Lamumba,

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Speaker 1: details how he got started. Some of you may know

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Speaker 1: him as a member of the Republic of New Africa.

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Speaker 1: He was an attorney and he was one of these attorneys.

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Speaker 1: Just like the previous call and sisay in Kei Chi Taifa,

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Speaker 1: we work for our people, actually do some pro bono

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Speaker 1: work for our people. And he was also the mayor

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Speaker 1: of Jackson, Mississippi, and his son took that position as well.

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Speaker 1: Before we go back to it, let him just remind

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Speaker 1: you come up later this morning. We're gonna stay in Detroit,

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01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 1: well close to Detroit. We carried Gordy and he's the

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Speaker 1: son of Motown founder Barry Gordy. He was born in Detroit.

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Speaker 1: But Kerry's going to talk about his latest project called

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01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 1: Sunday Best and also share some Motown stories with us.

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Speaker 1: But before we do that, though, we're gonna speak with

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Speaker 1: Ron lax and Albert Carter. They had the relatives of

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01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 1: Henrietta Laxa. They just settled with a company that used

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Speaker 1: her sales. You know, do you know everybody knows the

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Speaker 1: story about herselves without their permission. Later this week, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna hear from University of Houston's doctor jeryld Horn. Also

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Speaker 1: media analyst Dwayne Gimmel will join us. Also Olympian doctor

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Speaker 1: Charles doctor John John Carlis will be here and Frederick

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Speaker 1: Dargas relative Terrence Bailey will also join us. So if

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Speaker 1: you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep that radio

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Speaker 1: locked in tight on ten ten WLB, or if you're

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Speaker 1: in the DMV, they were on fourteen fifty w L.

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Speaker 1: All right, sister Shashana, I'll let you finish your response

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Speaker 1: to sister and.

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Speaker 4: You for this call, oh Santa Son and my brother.

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Speaker 12: So I just wanted to say. And Kechi was consistent,

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01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 12: was encouraging me on getting this a book. Apparently or

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01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 12: I suffered uh some impediment obstacles where I don't know,

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01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 12: somebody didn't want the book hitting out. So she was

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Speaker 12: one of those people who was the mainstay. And and

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Speaker 12: it was actually a team of the four people. And

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Speaker 12: Edward Onachi, who I hope you have him on your show.

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Speaker 12: He also uh he authored the book Free the Land

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Speaker 12: about the Republic of North Africa. A young brother, very

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Speaker 12: brilliant brother, and he helped he edited my book. And

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Speaker 12: and then there's the attorney Gerald Eveland here in Detroit.

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Speaker 12: If it was not for him, we wouldn't need to

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Speaker 12: be having a conversation about this book. So I just

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Speaker 12: wanted to say a scientia to them. In so many

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Speaker 12: people I have listened to this Carl, I have a

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01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 12: friend from first grade, we've been friends since Firsbak who

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Speaker 12: she literally walked this journey with me in reviewing the

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Speaker 12: book on a daily basis. She and I so thank

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Speaker 12: you for I need to give them my thanks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. You know what I like to see though,

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Speaker 1: Sister Sashana, maybe in Kechi can help us with this.

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01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:44,559
Speaker 1: This book should be all the lost to the black

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01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 1: lawyer's gone in law school. This should be required reading.

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Speaker 1: This is something they should have on the list. If

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Speaker 1: any of the attorneys out there haven't read this book,

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01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:55,760
Speaker 1: you need to pick this book up. Really. I know

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01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 1: it's yeah, because we have a lot of people going

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Speaker 1: to last A lot of people look like us, the

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Speaker 1: Sisters Shashana, but they don't when they get they get

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Speaker 1: indoctrinated and they don't come back and work for us,

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Speaker 1: for the community. And this book will show them how

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Speaker 1: it's done. And that's not just for attorney people going

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Speaker 1: to law school, but other professions as well. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter where you learn, as long as you come back

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Speaker 1: and help the community. That's what you should do. And

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Speaker 1: that goes across the board. Let me get off myself box.

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Speaker 1: We've got some people want to talk to you at

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Speaker 1: twelve minutes away for the top down. Marks colored from

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Speaker 1: Baltimore Cities Online. One mark you on with Sister Shashana Shakur.

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Speaker 14: Yes, their good morning and shalamsay have one a very

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Speaker 14: good working project. I wanted to know, besides the just

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Speaker 14: law students are also hoping to have this in university

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Speaker 14: and colleges and maybe even through upper classmen and the

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Speaker 14: senior high school. So they need to read this book

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Speaker 14: because it tells them that there's great hope, you know,

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Speaker 14: despite all the adversaries that the community is facing. I

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Speaker 14: just want to know what's being done to help get

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Speaker 14: the books out to colleges and universities and maybe in

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Speaker 14: the in the classrooms there and maybe in the high

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Speaker 14: school level. I'm just wondering about that. What do you

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Speaker 14: think about that?

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Speaker 1: Though?

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Speaker 20: Oh?

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Speaker 4: I l on Salant, my brother.

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Speaker 12: Mark, who and Carl have me bless him from side

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Speaker 12: to side. I think those are brilliant ideas with the

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Speaker 12: law school and the you know, the undergrad schools, the collegists,

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Speaker 12: and I'm going to work on that. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 12: back to my team folks who's been helping me, and

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Speaker 12: we're gonna I think that's wonderful. And when you read

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Speaker 12: the book, it's his law partners who he went to

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Speaker 12: law school with. They're all sharing stories that they experienced

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Speaker 12: during law school. And then when you read this is

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Speaker 12: why my brother I know it's my brother. So I'm biased,

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Speaker 12: but this is why he's my hero. He you know,

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Speaker 12: went back to law school after three years being in Jackson, Mississippi,

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Speaker 12: came back and even though he was at the first

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Speaker 12: of his class, top of his class his freshman year,

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Speaker 12: they made him repeat his whole first year all over again,

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Speaker 12: and then later as an attorney when you read the book,

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Speaker 12: because he defends his clients just rightfully, so he ends

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Speaker 12: up suspended. His license was suspended for a period of time.

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Speaker 12: So oh, I love those suggestions, and I'm going to

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Speaker 12: work on great.

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Speaker 1: Because you know, just thinking, okay, all right, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you, all right. You know, the conversations a Seana

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Speaker 1: reminds us of Alton Modock maddocks. Yes, we don't have

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Speaker 1: attorneys like that anymore. Who for our people, you know,

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Speaker 1: you call a lawyer up and the first thing they're

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Speaker 1: talking about his fees. You know, for the most part,

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Speaker 1: they and they and they not even if they're going

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Speaker 1: to do with the job first because a lot of

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Speaker 1: times they don't want to touch these kind of clients.

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Speaker 1: And you understand that. How did your brother deal with that? Though,

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Speaker 1: because obviously that the clients, especially members of the Republican

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Speaker 1: New Africa, that some of our freedom fighters that got

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Speaker 1: in trouble in the legal system, and he went out

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Speaker 1: there and they defended the pro boner. He did it

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Speaker 1: for free. How did how did he come to that

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01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 1: that level of thinking though, because you know, as I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: many attorneys, the first thing they're asking, they're telling you

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Speaker 1: how much the consultation fees is going to cost, before

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Speaker 1: you even have a conversation about whatever the problem is.

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Speaker 1: So how'd your brother deal with that?

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Speaker 12: Well, thanks for that question, Carl. First of all, it

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01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 12: was embedded in him, you know, through our parents about

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01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 12: doing work for the people and being authentic and genuine.

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Speaker 12: And in the book I mentioned that I observed cho

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Speaker 12: Quai representing his pro bono clients and giving them just

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Speaker 12: as much of his service and time as his paid clients, right,

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Speaker 12: So that's remarkable. I mean, he would go to prisons

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Speaker 12: and visit his clients, where I know that there are

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Speaker 12: some attorneys who don't do that. They wait until their

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Speaker 12: clients hit the courtroom. So that's one thing. But in

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Speaker 12: terms of the pro bono thing, oh yeah, we he

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Speaker 12: was for years just traveling around the country representing political

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Speaker 12: prisoners pro bono and we're talking about people like you know,

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Speaker 12: Matulu Shakua, the Lao Suni a Lei. Aside of Shakuah,

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Speaker 12: he represented Tupac. Wasn't a political prisoner, but he represented Tupac,

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Speaker 12: and not on the case that Tupac's spent prison time,

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Speaker 12: but in a case where he got into an altercation

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Speaker 12: of shooting altercation uh with some police officers in Atlanta.

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Speaker 12: Choe Quay got him off on that case rightfully so,

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Speaker 12: but he was constantly Illinois's You got to read the

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Speaker 12: book because it's all these cases and most of them

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Speaker 12: practically all of those cases I mentioned in the book,

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Speaker 12: the Scott's sisters, he did pro bono. They were the

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Speaker 12: ones in Jackson, Mississippi that got railroaded and sent to prison.

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Speaker 12: And I think they had spent about eleven years in prison.

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Speaker 12: And one sister got sick and needed the kidney of

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Speaker 12: the other sister, and cho Qua was able to get that,

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Speaker 12: get them out, get them part and by by the governor.

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01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 12: So while the simple answer to how did Choque do that?

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Speaker 12: First of all, it was in his heart to do it.

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Speaker 12: But secondly, read the book about his law partners. They

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01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:08,479
Speaker 12: had to pick up his black to help him feast

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01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 12: his family while and to keep the law firm going.

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Speaker 12: Attorney Jeff Edison, Judge Adam Shakula who later became Judge

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Speaker 12: Adam Shakulah Attorney, Judge.

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Speaker 4: Earl Ashford, all of these great brothers.

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Speaker 12: They were sitting, you know, and Jeff was basically taking

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Speaker 12: his cases in Detroit. Gerald attorney Gerald Evelin, was taking

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Speaker 12: some of his cases so he could go and represent

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Speaker 12: our political prisoners who were wrongfully charged and incarcerated.

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Speaker 1: And Sister Sashana, did he get any pushback to the

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Speaker 1: type of attorney that he is that representing these revolutionaries,

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01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:54,800
Speaker 1: any segment of the community, they have a pushback on,

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Speaker 1: you know, asking why is he doing it? Why is

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Speaker 1: he wasting his talents? Did he ever get that?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:00,799
Speaker 21: Definitely.

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Speaker 12: Actually the local paper here it was, I believe the

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Speaker 12: free press back in I think late eighties. Uh, he

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Speaker 12: was a rising star.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 12: They did an article on him and said that he

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Speaker 12: was such a phenomenal attorney and had the building power skills,

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Speaker 12: you know, to be very wealthy and very rich, and

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01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:34,320
Speaker 12: he wasn't and why wasn't he? And yeah, some people

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01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:39,360
Speaker 12: were like, why if you have that capacity, why are

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01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:44,880
Speaker 12: you running around represent militants, right, So yeah, he did,

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01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 12: and brother Carl in New York, the New York Brinks

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Speaker 12: what we call expropriation case that involved Tupac's father, Matulu Shakua.

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Speaker 12: He the judge. You know, at first they would not

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Speaker 12: allow him even to represent his clients, you know, because

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01:32:07,080 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 12: they said he was a danger because he was friends

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01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:14,720
Speaker 12: in their organization. So yeah, he definitely got a lot

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01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:19,960
Speaker 12: of pushback, but most of I'm gonna say this, you know,

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Speaker 12: he got more love and support from our communities, right

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01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:28,880
Speaker 12: that he was doing this for our people.

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Speaker 1: Great, and I'm glad that happened. I'm glad the folks

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01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:35,080
Speaker 1: had a chance to show him that love. And then

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01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 1: that's what we have to do to all the folks

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01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:39,479
Speaker 1: who are fighting for us. Listen, hold on a second

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01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:42,200
Speaker 1: for a sister, Shoshana. We got to check the trafficking

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Speaker 1: weather again in our different seasons we come back. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk more about your book, family, just check it in.

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01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:48,800
Speaker 1: I guess his sister Shashana, she's written a book about

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01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:51,880
Speaker 1: her brother. Chuck Way Lamumba is an attorney of a

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01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 1: freedom fighter. Also was the mayor of Jackson, Mississippi. What

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Speaker 1: are your thoughts eight hundred and four five zero seventy

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01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 1: eight seventy six US some numbers to speak to systems. Shashana,

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Speaker 1: I won't take you calls as we check the trafficking

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01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 1: weather in our different cities. That's next Grand Rising Family

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Speaker 1: in factually staying with us on this Wednesday morning and

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Speaker 1: third of March. Third day of March twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is Women's History Month. All throughout the month,

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Speaker 1: we're going to celebrate some of our brilliant sisters, like

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Speaker 1: we're doing this morning with sister Sashana Shakur. She's written

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Speaker 1: a book about her brother. Her brother brother Chuck Quail Mumba.

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Speaker 1: Some of you know him from the Republican of and

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Speaker 1: New Africa RNA swim. You know him as the mayor

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01:33:27,479 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 1: of Jackson, Mississippi. It's one of these freedom fighter Atonnays

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Speaker 1: that we have in our mission, you know, Sister Shashana.

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Speaker 1: Two things I like to see happen. I like to

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01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:38,160
Speaker 1: see a book written for children, you know, and with

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01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:40,800
Speaker 1: a lot of the illustrations of the children, read about

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01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:43,120
Speaker 1: your brother and you can you know, pull from this

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01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:46,120
Speaker 1: book to do that. Also, I'd love to see somebody

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01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:49,000
Speaker 1: put this on the screen. Somebody should because if we

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01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:52,840
Speaker 1: don't tell our own stories, who will. And the story

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01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:55,080
Speaker 1: about your brother, I'm so happy that you wrote this book.

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01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:57,880
Speaker 1: This needs to be amplified more your thoughts.

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Speaker 12: Oh, I love that you and brother Mark gave all

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01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:10,040
Speaker 12: these good ideas law school colleges, on the screen and

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01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:13,479
Speaker 12: children's books. So I'm right, I'm taking all these notes.

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Speaker 12: And how also Chill Quay's youngest law partner, when he

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01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:23,439
Speaker 12: was here in Detroit, he left the practice of law

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01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:29,439
Speaker 12: and started making films. And he promised me that once

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01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:32,120
Speaker 12: I get the book out, he was going to make

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01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:33,120
Speaker 12: sure a film.

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Speaker 11: Came out on it.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, See that's what great minds think. Alike. I

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01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:39,800
Speaker 1: love that you love to see this on the screen

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01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:42,920
Speaker 1: because you know you'll laugh. But this is the truth.

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Speaker 1: If we don't tell our stories, who will. And if

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Speaker 1: they tell our stories, it's not going to be the

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01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:49,720
Speaker 1: real deal. They're going to make them look well. So

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01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:53,080
Speaker 1: we have to we have to change that that narrative

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01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:55,120
Speaker 1: now and tell our own stories. We have to get

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Speaker 1: these books into the hands of our youngsters, as I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: especially those who are considering law. All these young people

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01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:02,920
Speaker 1: who are going to law school, uh, freshman law school

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01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:05,360
Speaker 1: students or in high school and thinking about getting in

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01:35:05,479 --> 01:35:07,880
Speaker 1: the legal profession. They need to read this book. We

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01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:11,280
Speaker 1: need more choke w La mumbas. And so before I

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01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:13,760
Speaker 1: let you go though, how can folks get the book?

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Speaker 12: Shashana Okay Santa Shawna brother Carl. The aname of the

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01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:26,280
Speaker 12: book is Memories of My Revolutionary Brother show Kwai Lamomba.

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01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:33,840
Speaker 12: And you can purchase the book online at Amazon right now,

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01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:41,440
Speaker 12: I'm waiting for Source Booksellers s o U are ce booksellers,

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01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:46,759
Speaker 12: a black owned company to get the books into their stores.

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01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:50,720
Speaker 12: And they're online also, so you can get it either

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Speaker 12: from Amazon or Source Booksellers.

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Speaker 1: And what rather the black the black bookstores around the

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01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:00,240
Speaker 1: country can can is that the way they go to

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Speaker 1: order the book as well.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, so that see my work cut out for me.

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01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:09,680
Speaker 12: So we're gonna that's one of the things that my

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Speaker 12: team we're working on today is getting in touch with

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Speaker 12: the black book sellers across the country. So yeah, thank you,

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Speaker 12: and I'll let you know as soon as you know

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Speaker 12: that happens. And I've also been asked to come to

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Speaker 12: many cities and tour with the books, so I'll keep

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Speaker 12: you you know, updated on that. And I want to

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Speaker 12: just say to your listeners that memories of my revolutionary brother,

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01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:43,280
Speaker 12: like and teach you mentioned earlier, he's not just my

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01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:49,040
Speaker 12: revolutionary brother, he's all of our revolutionary brother and this book.

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Speaker 12: You're fine. I hope you all will love, learn, enjoy

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01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:59,800
Speaker 12: cry reading this book. I hope you all eighty folks

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Speaker 12: are those feelams.

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Speaker 4: But don't go in the book thinking.

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Speaker 12: It's a traditional literary piece of h writing. I'm not traditional.

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01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:15,960
Speaker 12: And when I wrote this book, you know, my idea

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01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:20,679
Speaker 12: was to bring other voices into the book. For example,

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Speaker 12: my siblings are speaking in the book, especially my elder siblings.

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01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:30,880
Speaker 12: I don't know what Choqu was like Choque is number

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01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:33,719
Speaker 12: two in our fist ship of eight. I'm number six.

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Speaker 12: So I brought the siblings in. And then like I've

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Speaker 12: talked about a law partners who went to law school

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01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 12: with him, who are his close friends and partners, they're

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Speaker 12: speaking in the book. And then his comrades are speaking.

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Speaker 12: You have several of them. I met Obo Femi, but

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Speaker 12: Laosuni Ili and then you have uh poets who have

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Speaker 12: dedicated pieces to the book. Book are beloved science Franchells

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Speaker 12: one of her poems is in the book.

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Speaker 4: It's just a.

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Speaker 12: Variety of people speaking out all and then the bonus

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Speaker 12: you have Choqua speaking in the book. So I've taken

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Speaker 12: some excerpts from some of his speeches and included them

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Speaker 12: in the book so you can hear his voice. So

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Speaker 12: that's what you know. I want you to look forward

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Speaker 12: to and reading this book, right and.

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Speaker 1: Those of you who don't know, because you know, ster Seanna,

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01:38:33,479 --> 01:38:35,639
Speaker 1: we got folks who are just born yesterday so to speak.

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01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:38,720
Speaker 1: You know, they don't know what your your brother went through,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's necessary reading for all of us

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01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:43,720
Speaker 1: who are concerned it about us as a people and

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01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:45,479
Speaker 1: the future of us as our people. That's why I

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Speaker 1: want this book to be in the hands of the

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Speaker 1: younger folks who weren't around with the Republican New Africa

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01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:53,679
Speaker 1: wasn't around that back then when the other struggles were

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01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:55,840
Speaker 1: taking place, so they understand, you know, what he was

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01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:58,960
Speaker 1: like and the sacrifices some of our people, like your

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Speaker 1: brother may thank you again for doing this book.

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Speaker 12: Oh thank you for having me and always giving me

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Speaker 12: the opportunity to share about my family.

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Speaker 1: Like sister and Keachie said, your brother's our brother. That's

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Speaker 1: how we look at and we're looking at you as

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Speaker 1: our sister, because well that's where we're family. That's what

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Speaker 1: it is, that's how we look at it. Step thank you, Sashana,

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Speaker 1: so free to land A Santa Sana, thank you. Eight

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Speaker 1: after the top, they our family. Let's turn our attention

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Speaker 1: now to Henriette A. Lax. We have Ron Lax. He's

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Speaker 1: been here before in Alfred Carter there relatives of Henriette

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Speaker 1: A Lax, Ron grand Rising, welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 8: Hello, call brother to be back with you.

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Speaker 1: And Alfred welcome to the program as well.

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Speaker 8: Thank you, mister Carl. Appreciate having me on.

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Speaker 1: Sir all right, Ron, help us out here. For the

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Speaker 1: folks who don't know the story, just give us the

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Speaker 1: short version, the cliff notes about Henriette A. Lax.

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Speaker 21: Well back there and what was the album nineteen thirties

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Speaker 21: John Hopkins stole cells from my grandmother when she went

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Speaker 21: in there for an operation on her servant.

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Speaker 8: She had cervical cancer.

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Speaker 21: And instead of doing the proceedures that they supposed to did,

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Speaker 21: they they took a piece of her herbic and didn't

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Speaker 21: tell her or her family that they that they took

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Speaker 21: it and herselves became one of the immortal cell lines

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Speaker 21: that helping so many people off.

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Speaker 22: To this day.

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Speaker 1: Alfred, what was it about about Harry lacks of shells

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01:40:48,200 --> 01:40:51,360
Speaker 1: that's different from everybody, everybody else on the planet. What

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Speaker 1: was it about herself?

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Speaker 8: Yes, sir, herself. Well, there had never been a cell

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Speaker 8: that lived outside of the body for more than a

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Speaker 8: few hours. And Henry other lats His cells not only

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Speaker 8: did they live outside of the body, but they multiplied

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Speaker 8: every twenty hours. To today, her cells have multiplied so

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Speaker 8: much that they could wrap around the world three times.

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Speaker 8: If you can place someone on the scale, they will

1631
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Speaker 8: weigh over one hundred million metric tons. You know, Henry

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Speaker 8: other Latses cells lived long enough to create the HPV

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Speaker 8: vaccine to the very cervical cancer that killed her, which

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Speaker 8: is quite remarkable.

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Speaker 1: Wow, ten half the top of that run. Have you, guys,

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Speaker 1: and I have both of you, christ for both of them.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever figured out why Henry had a lax

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Speaker 1: of sales? It was so different from just about every

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Speaker 1: just totally different from everybody on this planet, every known

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Speaker 1: human being. Did you, guys ever scratch head on one?

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Speaker 1: Why did God choose Henrietta a laxa.

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Speaker 8: Do you ever have those conversations, Yes, sir, And we

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01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:12,120
Speaker 8: get this question quite a lot. And it's a great

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01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:17,479
Speaker 8: question because it's a subject that a lot of people

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Speaker 8: just can't understand. And I just come to the conclusion,

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Speaker 8: mister Paul, that God sent Henrietta to heal the world.

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01:42:26,479 --> 01:42:30,880
Speaker 8: She was a mother of five at the very young

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Speaker 8: age of thirty one years old when she passed away,

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Speaker 8: and everybody that knew Henrietta knew she was a great person.

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Speaker 8: She loved her family, She would welcome in her family

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Speaker 8: and kenfolk from Virginia when they migrated to Baltimore looking for.

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Speaker 4: Work.

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Speaker 8: And you know, she was just the epitome of an

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Speaker 8: African American woman, uh, that wanted to help people. And

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Speaker 8: Dodgers used themselves to be the cells that have made

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Speaker 8: major breakthroughs over eleven thousand patents. Mister Paul has been

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Speaker 8: uh created from the henry of the black cell that

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Speaker 8: he was selling.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 21: Thing with me, it's been like a divine intervention. And

1661
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Speaker 21: and you you know as well, because you've been there

1662
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:32,200
Speaker 21: from day one with me. This uh, this divine intervention

1663
01:43:32,479 --> 01:43:37,760
Speaker 21: even passed on to me because uh, it was it

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01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:43,320
Speaker 21: made this the impossible possible. This thing was over seventy

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Speaker 21: years old and going nowhere. So I got touched by

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Speaker 21: God myself to even you know, write my story. He

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Speaker 21: me elected the untold story to bring it out to

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Speaker 21: the world, and uh, thank god, it got the attention

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01:44:01,680 --> 01:44:05,519
Speaker 21: of mister Crump and he took it from there and

1670
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:09,200
Speaker 21: he got my family back to you know, because they

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01:44:09,320 --> 01:44:15,120
Speaker 21: did divide my family. They divided us, and he was

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Speaker 21: able to get us back together and see a path

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Speaker 21: that we could take to get justice because no matter

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Speaker 21: what Lawrence or David lax did, my grandfather and my father,

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Speaker 21: they could never get justice here in Baltimore, Maryland.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's good that your family has come together,

1677
01:44:33,479 --> 01:44:36,759
Speaker 1: because I know money divides a lot of families, especially

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01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:38,720
Speaker 1: when you're come into a lot of money. We're talking

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01:44:38,720 --> 01:44:43,360
Speaker 1: about the issues here with all the benefits from Henry

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01:44:43,400 --> 01:44:45,880
Speaker 1: hatt A lax being members of Henry had A Laxi's family.

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Speaker 1: But let me go to Alfred at thirteen half the top.

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Speaker 1: For Alfred, at what point did you guys find out

1683
01:44:51,479 --> 01:44:56,840
Speaker 1: that you know, they're using our grandma's cells, that it's

1684
01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:58,479
Speaker 1: been used around the world. At what point did he

1685
01:44:58,600 --> 01:45:01,040
Speaker 1: go wait a minute, what's going on here? What point

1686
01:45:01,200 --> 01:45:01,360
Speaker 1: was that?

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Speaker 8: Yes, sir, I think it really became very clear to

1688
01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:12,400
Speaker 8: the family back in the nineteen seventies the late seventies,

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Speaker 8: when Roun's mom had went to a dinner party and

1690
01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:23,960
Speaker 8: was introduced as Bob at Lason and a gentleman said, latch,

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Speaker 8: are you related to Henrietta Laxon. She said, yes, that's

1692
01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:30,200
Speaker 8: my mother in law. And he went on to tell

1693
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Speaker 8: her about them using the HeLa cells. And this is

1694
01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:38,599
Speaker 8: the first time that the family had any knowledge since

1695
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Speaker 8: she passed away in nineteen fifty one. And let me

1696
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:48,640
Speaker 8: just add the Maryland State Anatomy Board, okay, was constructed

1697
01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:52,519
Speaker 8: in nineteen forty seven, and the administrators of the Maryland

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01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:57,439
Speaker 8: State Anatomy Board was JOHNS. Hopkins in the University of Maryland.

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01:45:59,080 --> 01:46:03,559
Speaker 8: They broke their own law by not protecting Henrietta Lights

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01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:08,320
Speaker 8: and telling her that her self was still living when

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01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:13,639
Speaker 8: they indeed took herself when she was in Johns Hopton Hospital.

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01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:17,360
Speaker 8: Now the thing is now all this is documented. You

1703
01:46:17,479 --> 01:46:21,360
Speaker 8: can go you can look up. It's a BBC documentary

1704
01:46:21,680 --> 01:46:26,040
Speaker 8: called The Way of All Flesh. What they admit, they

1705
01:46:26,240 --> 01:46:31,200
Speaker 8: admit that they stole Henrietta self and when she passed away,

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01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:37,720
Speaker 8: he sent his assistant Mary Kobiac back into the operating

1707
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:41,280
Speaker 8: room to steal more self from her while she was

1708
01:46:41,479 --> 01:46:45,720
Speaker 8: on the autopsy table. And then after that they had

1709
01:46:45,800 --> 01:46:50,120
Speaker 8: a press conference on the steps of Johns Hopkins Hospital

1710
01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:54,760
Speaker 8: and announced to the world that he had found the

1711
01:46:54,880 --> 01:46:58,120
Speaker 8: first and mortal cell line, but never told his family.

1712
01:46:58,360 --> 01:47:01,559
Speaker 8: And it was over twenty five is before our family

1713
01:47:01,720 --> 01:47:05,839
Speaker 8: either knew that herself will make it a major impact

1714
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:07,759
Speaker 8: in the medical field.

1715
01:47:09,200 --> 01:47:10,040
Speaker 1: Wow, what a story.

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01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:16,920
Speaker 21: And right, cervical cancer, vital fertilizations, and the list goes on. Caul,

1717
01:47:17,360 --> 01:47:20,000
Speaker 21: I mean back to this day, we don't know how

1718
01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:23,080
Speaker 21: many curs Healer Sales has committed to team.

1719
01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:30,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand, but go ahead, yes, sir.

1720
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:38,000
Speaker 8: Everyday products like Truth days a mouthwash, so every day

1721
01:47:39,560 --> 01:47:43,800
Speaker 8: products that we use the heel itself are used to

1722
01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:45,200
Speaker 8: test these products for.

1723
01:47:46,439 --> 01:47:47,519
Speaker 17: The use of humans.

1724
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:51,080
Speaker 8: Now, what I do want to say is I want

1725
01:47:51,120 --> 01:47:54,160
Speaker 8: to give a shout out to Michelle Goodwin, who is

1726
01:47:54,280 --> 01:47:59,519
Speaker 8: the professor dean at the Georgetown University O'Neil Institute and

1727
01:47:59,680 --> 01:48:04,280
Speaker 8: once in DC, who gave me the pathway for truth

1728
01:48:04,400 --> 01:48:10,880
Speaker 8: and reconciliation. We want the Latch family. We want this

1729
01:48:11,439 --> 01:48:17,080
Speaker 8: to help people. We want people to understand that we

1730
01:48:17,320 --> 01:48:23,640
Speaker 8: are together as one. And the Latch family is the

1731
01:48:23,760 --> 01:48:34,240
Speaker 8: first family of the state. And for the holidays, the

1732
01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:37,960
Speaker 8: Family Health History Day, which a lot of people don't.

1733
01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:38,160
Speaker 5: Even know.

1734
01:48:39,720 --> 01:48:44,760
Speaker 8: It's on Thanksgiving Day, because this is where all families,

1735
01:48:44,920 --> 01:48:49,040
Speaker 8: most families get together, and we want people to communicate

1736
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:53,439
Speaker 8: and talk about your health history. And the Latch family

1737
01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:57,479
Speaker 8: is the first family of family health history. And we

1738
01:48:58,840 --> 01:49:01,080
Speaker 8: were thrown into this right and.

1739
01:49:01,120 --> 01:49:03,400
Speaker 1: Hold up thought right there, Alfred there, step aside for

1740
01:49:03,439 --> 01:49:05,160
Speaker 1: a few moments, stay with us. I'll let you finish

1741
01:49:05,240 --> 01:49:07,320
Speaker 1: your thought. On the other side, family, you two can

1742
01:49:07,400 --> 01:49:10,880
Speaker 1: join Alfred ron and talk about Henriette a laxis. This

1743
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:14,080
Speaker 1: lady had the only cells that could replicate outside of

1744
01:49:14,120 --> 01:49:17,400
Speaker 1: the body. And they use the scientists at John Hopkins.

1745
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:21,160
Speaker 1: You use this without renumeration, without permission. And there was

1746
01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:24,280
Speaker 1: you and know all different as I mentioned, different entities

1747
01:49:24,720 --> 01:49:28,920
Speaker 1: from lips the tooth based and also you know curing

1748
01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:32,960
Speaker 1: for cancer, but curing all kinds of diseases. What are

1749
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:35,559
Speaker 1: your thoughts? Family, what would you do? Reach out to us?

1750
01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:37,800
Speaker 1: At eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight,

1751
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:41,679
Speaker 1: seventy six. We take your phone calls next and Grand

1752
01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:44,280
Speaker 1: Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on this Tuesday

1753
01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:46,240
Speaker 1: morning here, third of March or with our guests, the

1754
01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:50,120
Speaker 1: two members two relatives of Henriette A Lax and you

1755
01:49:50,240 --> 01:49:53,320
Speaker 1: know the story, this incredible story. We have Ron Lax

1756
01:49:53,360 --> 01:49:55,760
Speaker 1: and Alfred Carter with us, and I think Ron was

1757
01:49:55,800 --> 01:49:57,519
Speaker 1: speaking to Ron. I'm gonna let you finish your thought.

1758
01:49:59,200 --> 01:50:02,040
Speaker 21: Yeah, mo, I thought is where I wanted to finish off.

1759
01:50:02,120 --> 01:50:06,120
Speaker 21: That is called the least sami is powder, laying down.

1760
01:50:06,040 --> 01:50:10,600
Speaker 4: And taking it. You know, that's why a lot of

1761
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:12,240
Speaker 4: the family members have stepped up.

1762
01:50:12,640 --> 01:50:14,040
Speaker 22: You know, I wrote my book and.

1763
01:50:14,120 --> 01:50:16,960
Speaker 21: My cousin Al I'm gonna let him introduce you because

1764
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:21,439
Speaker 21: he through his book into the ring so people know

1765
01:50:21,640 --> 01:50:22,960
Speaker 21: more about the last family.

1766
01:50:23,320 --> 01:50:23,720
Speaker 4: Tell him.

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01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:30,479
Speaker 8: Aw yes, sir, yes, sir. Thanks Ron, So mister Tall,

1768
01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:34,920
Speaker 8: we wanted we want people to understand that there was

1769
01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:40,280
Speaker 8: a book written by a young lady that told a

1770
01:50:40,479 --> 01:50:45,439
Speaker 8: narrative about the Lax family, and a lot of those

1771
01:50:45,560 --> 01:50:48,000
Speaker 8: things in the book were untrue. There were a lot

1772
01:50:48,040 --> 01:50:52,599
Speaker 8: of embellishments, but it brought to the forefront Henrietta lax

1773
01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:56,639
Speaker 8: and we appreciate that. But I wrote a book called

1774
01:50:56,760 --> 01:51:00,720
Speaker 8: Shadows of Immortality. And the reason that I wrote this

1775
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:06,080
Speaker 8: book is because I wanted people to have the true

1776
01:51:06,160 --> 01:51:11,760
Speaker 8: story of the Latch family and all the epigenics, all

1777
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:16,320
Speaker 8: the epigenetics story that happened every since this happened to

1778
01:51:16,439 --> 01:51:21,640
Speaker 8: our grandmother, because from day one, the Henrietta Latsus of

1779
01:51:21,800 --> 01:51:25,840
Speaker 8: state has been circumvented. The young lady who wrote that

1780
01:51:25,960 --> 01:51:30,720
Speaker 8: book back in two thousand, she well, it didn't come

1781
01:51:30,760 --> 01:51:34,200
Speaker 8: out until two thousand and nine, but she wrote an

1782
01:51:35,120 --> 01:51:42,280
Speaker 8: article for Johns Hopkins Hospital called Henrietta's Dance, Henrietta's Dance,

1783
01:51:42,920 --> 01:51:48,160
Speaker 8: And she got all that information from my mother, who

1784
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:52,400
Speaker 8: at that time was the administrator of the and she

1785
01:51:52,600 --> 01:51:57,519
Speaker 8: was the representative of Henrietta's Latun's estate. She opened that

1786
01:51:57,720 --> 01:52:01,800
Speaker 8: estate in two thousand because she was going out the

1787
01:52:01,960 --> 01:52:05,400
Speaker 8: assets that was getting ready to happen from this youngly

1788
01:52:05,640 --> 01:52:09,840
Speaker 8: baby writing a book. So what happened was my mother

1789
01:52:10,120 --> 01:52:14,840
Speaker 8: got sick and before the book came out, my mother

1790
01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:19,200
Speaker 8: passed away. And and even in the story that the

1791
01:52:19,439 --> 01:52:23,040
Speaker 8: HBO stories that Oprah Winfrey played my mother in the

1792
01:52:23,400 --> 01:52:28,160
Speaker 8: in the movie, the publisher told this lady, well, you

1793
01:52:28,439 --> 01:52:31,560
Speaker 8: have to take out the story about the family and

1794
01:52:31,680 --> 01:52:32,840
Speaker 8: we'll publish the book.

1795
01:52:33,640 --> 01:52:34,320
Speaker 22: What did she do?

1796
01:52:35,040 --> 01:52:35,400
Speaker 1: She did.

1797
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:40,360
Speaker 8: What happened was mysteriously this man fell and lost his memory.

1798
01:52:40,840 --> 01:52:45,120
Speaker 8: He lost his memory, and then she got the book published.

1799
01:52:46,320 --> 01:52:51,040
Speaker 8: And she said that there was no contract between her

1800
01:52:51,240 --> 01:52:55,519
Speaker 8: and my mother. All my mother wanted was for her

1801
01:52:55,640 --> 01:52:58,760
Speaker 8: to set up a foundation for the last family to

1802
01:52:58,880 --> 01:53:03,679
Speaker 8: go to school and healthcare, which is bs Anyoneman knows

1803
01:53:03,800 --> 01:53:06,839
Speaker 8: my mother, muster Call knows. My mother was a hustler.

1804
01:53:07,160 --> 01:53:11,360
Speaker 8: She was a licensed nail tech, she was a licensed cosmetologist,

1805
01:53:11,520 --> 01:53:14,439
Speaker 8: she was a licensed barber, and she had a CDL

1806
01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:19,400
Speaker 8: license and she created a baby bottled warmer. And you

1807
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:22,200
Speaker 8: mean to tell me all she wanted was for her

1808
01:53:23,640 --> 01:53:27,360
Speaker 8: her family to go to school. No, this family never

1809
01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:32,519
Speaker 8: received any proceeds from that book. And this woman made

1810
01:53:33,080 --> 01:53:37,280
Speaker 8: millions of dollars off of the Life's family story and

1811
01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:42,240
Speaker 8: we do not have a say with this foundation that

1812
01:53:43,080 --> 01:53:43,839
Speaker 8: she created.

1813
01:53:45,760 --> 01:53:48,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, so where does it stand now? Because you know,

1814
01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:51,320
Speaker 1: it seems like they had a head start on you

1815
01:53:51,479 --> 01:53:53,880
Speaker 1: guys that they would put using her cells on all

1816
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:57,080
Speaker 1: kinds of products, as she mentioned, thousands of products, not

1817
01:53:57,160 --> 01:53:59,519
Speaker 1: only products but but also in the lab as well

1818
01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:01,880
Speaker 1: and curing people. So where does it stand now?

1819
01:54:03,320 --> 01:54:07,080
Speaker 8: Okay, So what we're doing as a family, we have pivoting,

1820
01:54:07,160 --> 01:54:11,439
Speaker 8: mister Carr. We are pivoting from the social determinants of

1821
01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:15,040
Speaker 8: health to the legal determinants of health. And I say

1822
01:54:15,160 --> 01:54:21,360
Speaker 8: that because just last month we introduced the bill here

1823
01:54:21,439 --> 01:54:24,960
Speaker 8: in Maryland, and anybody can look it up. Anything that

1824
01:54:25,040 --> 01:54:30,599
Speaker 8: I'm saying has facts and it's backed by facts. HB

1825
01:54:31,240 --> 01:54:35,200
Speaker 8: zero one sixty six. And we introduced this bill to

1826
01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:38,760
Speaker 8: the state of Maryland because we wanted to make sure

1827
01:54:39,600 --> 01:54:42,560
Speaker 8: that what happened to Henriette Lacks in nineteen fifty one

1828
01:54:43,320 --> 01:54:47,680
Speaker 8: doesn't happen to no one else. And also we want

1829
01:54:48,160 --> 01:54:53,560
Speaker 8: the government. We want the government to harvest the benefits

1830
01:54:53,600 --> 01:54:59,920
Speaker 8: of Henriette Lax to Maryland residents, including bioethics, tourism, because

1831
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:02,480
Speaker 8: we want to introduce a statue. We have a statue

1832
01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:07,040
Speaker 8: two statues in Virginia, one in rowing On, one in Halifax,

1833
01:55:07,120 --> 01:55:10,440
Speaker 8: and then there's another one in Bristol, England. We think

1834
01:55:10,560 --> 01:55:15,200
Speaker 8: that should be a statue here in Maryland to represent Henrietta. Also,

1835
01:55:15,680 --> 01:55:22,160
Speaker 8: education with nih the Baltimore County Public Schools my organization,

1836
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:26,360
Speaker 8: the Henrietta Latch House, which is a family land initiatives

1837
01:55:27,320 --> 01:55:33,520
Speaker 8: we did. We did a program October fourth, which was

1838
01:55:33,800 --> 01:55:36,920
Speaker 8: the day that Henrietta Latch passed away in nineteen fifty one.

1839
01:55:37,880 --> 01:55:42,160
Speaker 8: This event had the Maryland State Anatomy Board there, which

1840
01:55:42,240 --> 01:55:45,480
Speaker 8: was the first time that the Maryland State Anatomy Board

1841
01:55:46,880 --> 01:55:53,440
Speaker 8: acknowledged Henrietta Latch as a tissue donor. Our keynote speaker

1842
01:55:54,240 --> 01:55:59,240
Speaker 8: was doctor Michelle Brewing from Georgetown University O'Neil Institute, and

1843
01:55:59,480 --> 01:56:04,520
Speaker 8: also Congressman kwite here and Fume also spoke.

1844
01:56:04,960 --> 01:56:06,080
Speaker 22: It was it was put.

1845
01:56:05,960 --> 01:56:10,240
Speaker 8: Together this Houseville zero one sixty six. It was put

1846
01:56:10,280 --> 01:56:18,120
Speaker 8: together with the help of Senator Rick Mexicer in Baltimore County.

1847
01:56:18,640 --> 01:56:23,720
Speaker 8: And we know that to get change, we have to

1848
01:56:23,920 --> 01:56:27,840
Speaker 8: change the laws and we need to change policy. So

1849
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:33,240
Speaker 8: that's why I said, we pivoted from social determinants to

1850
01:56:33,320 --> 01:56:34,880
Speaker 8: the legal determinants of health.

1851
01:56:36,160 --> 01:56:39,320
Speaker 21: Right we add to that call, you know, I think

1852
01:56:39,360 --> 01:56:44,120
Speaker 21: it was three pharmaceuticals companies that that we won against

1853
01:56:44,160 --> 01:56:48,360
Speaker 21: so far, and there's thousands of more out there now.

1854
01:56:48,680 --> 01:56:53,000
Speaker 21: Right now, we in the process of taking one to

1855
01:56:53,200 --> 01:56:56,320
Speaker 21: court because they backed away from the tables I mean,

1856
01:56:56,400 --> 01:56:59,760
Speaker 21: they got to come here to our hometown where she was,

1857
01:57:00,360 --> 01:57:03,760
Speaker 21: where she grew up at and you they don't.

1858
01:57:03,560 --> 01:57:04,640
Speaker 4: Want to come to Baltimore.

1859
01:57:05,080 --> 01:57:06,600
Speaker 21: That's a that's a loser case.

1860
01:57:06,920 --> 01:57:10,200
Speaker 4: That's like uh uh going to court.

1861
01:57:10,280 --> 01:57:14,120
Speaker 21: You got got video of the weapon and every thing.

1862
01:57:14,480 --> 01:57:17,080
Speaker 21: So they don't want to come here to Baltimore and

1863
01:57:17,160 --> 01:57:17,720
Speaker 21: can test this.

1864
01:57:19,400 --> 01:57:21,920
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this, Fellas. That and finally,

1865
01:57:22,040 --> 01:57:23,560
Speaker 1: just checking out of twenty eight minutes out of the

1866
01:57:23,560 --> 01:57:25,920
Speaker 1: top of the hour, these are two relatives of Henriette

1867
01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:28,080
Speaker 1: and Lasha on many of you know the story about herself.

1868
01:57:28,120 --> 01:57:31,360
Speaker 1: She's the only person on this entire planet. The cells

1869
01:57:31,400 --> 01:57:34,080
Speaker 1: can replicate outside the body, and it's been used in

1870
01:57:34,400 --> 01:57:38,640
Speaker 1: the maybe eleven thousand more, uh elements that have been

1871
01:57:38,760 --> 01:57:43,440
Speaker 1: used in it. You mentioned mouthwash and lipstick and all

1872
01:57:43,480 --> 01:57:46,160
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff, not only just the medical part

1873
01:57:46,200 --> 01:57:48,760
Speaker 1: of it. But this is how they're using hersells because

1874
01:57:48,800 --> 01:57:52,120
Speaker 1: it can replicate. But for you, fellas, how can you

1875
01:57:52,280 --> 01:57:54,800
Speaker 1: how can you how can you ascertain how many people

1876
01:57:54,800 --> 01:57:57,680
Speaker 1: have used her cells? All these companies are using their cells?

1877
01:57:58,280 --> 01:58:00,680
Speaker 1: How do you determine that? You know, it's like they

1878
01:58:01,240 --> 01:58:03,680
Speaker 1: we're talking about the entire planet now, it might be

1879
01:58:03,800 --> 01:58:07,400
Speaker 1: somebody in ballet, it might be somebody in Australia's using herself.

1880
01:58:07,800 --> 01:58:10,200
Speaker 1: How do you track that down so you guys can

1881
01:58:10,240 --> 01:58:10,680
Speaker 1: get paid?

1882
01:58:12,480 --> 01:58:15,320
Speaker 8: Well, I think you can't even quantify the number of

1883
01:58:15,400 --> 01:58:20,920
Speaker 8: mister call. You can't. You can't quantify it. But but

1884
01:58:21,240 --> 01:58:26,080
Speaker 8: but there there is ways that we're working uh with

1885
01:58:28,480 --> 01:58:32,280
Speaker 8: different companies to try to to try to put a

1886
01:58:32,400 --> 01:58:37,040
Speaker 8: number and then as well be uh at the time,

1887
01:58:38,320 --> 01:58:40,640
Speaker 8: I can't think of the name of it, but yeah.

1888
01:58:41,680 --> 01:58:45,360
Speaker 21: We our attorneys each each pharmaceutical company. You know, they

1889
01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:48,920
Speaker 21: got a list of the pharmaceutical companies that has been

1890
01:58:49,040 --> 01:58:54,480
Speaker 21: using herselves like Authgetics. Uh, they using herself and they

1891
01:58:54,600 --> 01:58:59,600
Speaker 21: make over billion dollars a year off off herselves. They

1892
01:58:59,680 --> 01:59:04,160
Speaker 21: got three different products of healer cells that they do

1893
01:59:04,400 --> 01:59:07,840
Speaker 21: different things to help human beings.

1894
01:59:09,480 --> 01:59:12,080
Speaker 1: Wow, have you guys set up a foundation so that

1895
01:59:12,720 --> 01:59:15,360
Speaker 1: all the members that the generations have come after a

1896
01:59:15,640 --> 01:59:18,840
Speaker 1: member of Henry at Laxis family of the lenage all

1897
01:59:18,880 --> 01:59:21,560
Speaker 1: the way down whenever, because he's going to keep continuing

1898
01:59:21,600 --> 01:59:25,320
Speaker 1: that they can they can benefit from from Henry alaxis sales.

1899
01:59:25,560 --> 01:59:26,400
Speaker 1: Is that being set up?

1900
01:59:27,720 --> 01:59:31,360
Speaker 8: Yes, sir, absolutely. I have a father one C three

1901
01:59:32,040 --> 01:59:36,720
Speaker 8: Henrietta Lax House here in Baltimore and in Chicago. And

1902
01:59:37,240 --> 01:59:40,600
Speaker 8: Ron and I are working closely together to create the

1903
01:59:40,720 --> 01:59:45,960
Speaker 8: Henrietta Lax Society because we want people to to be

1904
01:59:46,080 --> 01:59:50,560
Speaker 8: able to benefit from all the great accomplishments that Henrietta

1905
01:59:50,880 --> 01:59:55,200
Speaker 8: has given to the world. Like my organization, we work

1906
01:59:55,280 --> 02:00:06,280
Speaker 8: closely with Walgreens, which is promoting clinical trial also Infinite Legacy,

1907
02:00:06,320 --> 02:00:10,800
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, Infinite Legacy, which is the organ donation because

1908
02:00:10,840 --> 02:00:13,280
Speaker 8: we want people to be it mortal like her. And

1909
02:00:13,400 --> 02:00:15,760
Speaker 8: these are the ways that people can be it mortal

1910
02:00:15,920 --> 02:00:18,960
Speaker 8: like her, but not in the same aspect of her,

1911
02:00:19,360 --> 02:00:22,760
Speaker 8: but doing the same work by saving her life, by

1912
02:00:22,840 --> 02:00:26,960
Speaker 8: participating in political trials that not only gonna help you,

1913
02:00:27,440 --> 02:00:30,160
Speaker 8: but it's gonna help people that's coming behind.

1914
02:00:32,760 --> 02:00:36,040
Speaker 21: Go ahead, right, look at what they take it away today.

1915
02:00:36,120 --> 02:00:39,840
Speaker 21: Look at all the inclusions d I that they take

1916
02:00:39,880 --> 02:00:44,080
Speaker 21: it away from black folks, man. And the only thing

1917
02:00:44,200 --> 02:00:46,320
Speaker 21: they can't touch Hill of Sells.

1918
02:00:46,160 --> 02:00:47,400
Speaker 4: Is not going anywhere.

1919
02:00:48,080 --> 02:00:52,400
Speaker 21: This is something that will outlive you, me and great

1920
02:00:52,520 --> 02:00:56,879
Speaker 21: grandkids and everything, man, because they multiply every twenty four hours.

1921
02:00:57,960 --> 02:01:00,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, un, this is something the world should know too,

1922
02:01:00,720 --> 02:01:03,000
Speaker 1: you fellas, because you know they don't think we're good

1923
02:01:03,080 --> 02:01:06,200
Speaker 1: enough to even across the road, or you know, or

1924
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Speaker 1: even eat a load for bread. I think the entire

1925
02:01:08,840 --> 02:01:11,480
Speaker 1: world should know that these cells come from a black woman.

1926
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Speaker 1: Are they using these products? Because I've heard some of

1927
02:01:14,720 --> 02:01:17,360
Speaker 1: these bigots say, what have we done for society? You

1928
02:01:17,440 --> 02:01:20,360
Speaker 1: know this stuff like that, all the inventions that we've done.

1929
02:01:20,520 --> 02:01:23,960
Speaker 1: But here the heels sacks. This is the immortal Henriette

1930
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Speaker 1: A lax story. This is why we're discussing this morning.

1931
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Speaker 1: They need to know, we need to this needs to

1932
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Speaker 1: be out for the entire world to understand that your

1933
02:01:32,160 --> 02:01:36,480
Speaker 1: Henriette electris the only cells that could replicate outside the body.

1934
02:01:37,920 --> 02:01:39,680
Speaker 1: But I got a question for both of you fellas

1935
02:01:39,680 --> 02:01:42,600
Speaker 1: this Uh, this happened after she had passed away, while

1936
02:01:42,640 --> 02:01:44,840
Speaker 1: she was still in on the on the operating room,

1937
02:01:45,320 --> 02:01:49,160
Speaker 1: John Hopkins. If they had known this prior to her

1938
02:01:49,280 --> 02:01:53,760
Speaker 1: passionate way, could this have saved her life? Well?

1939
02:01:55,280 --> 02:01:56,120
Speaker 10: I think I.

1940
02:01:58,280 --> 02:02:01,120
Speaker 21: Think that she didn't die of cancer. I think she

1941
02:02:01,360 --> 02:02:04,960
Speaker 21: died from the radiated boss that they inserted in her

1942
02:02:05,280 --> 02:02:08,480
Speaker 21: because her self was fighting against the cancer.

1943
02:02:08,960 --> 02:02:11,880
Speaker 4: So if they had probably had left or alone, who

1944
02:02:12,040 --> 02:02:13,560
Speaker 4: knows what might have happened.

1945
02:02:15,360 --> 02:02:15,720
Speaker 1: Alfred.

1946
02:02:16,720 --> 02:02:22,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, I guess sir. Let's let's not lose sight of

1947
02:02:22,160 --> 02:02:26,080
Speaker 8: the fact that they stole herselves. Why she was living.

1948
02:02:26,160 --> 02:02:31,120
Speaker 8: Called while she was living, they stole herself, and then

1949
02:02:31,520 --> 02:02:34,920
Speaker 8: when she died, they stole more cells from her. But

1950
02:02:35,080 --> 02:02:40,000
Speaker 8: those cells didn't live. They died. So the cells that

1951
02:02:40,000 --> 02:02:43,960
Speaker 8: ailation right now on the cells that they took from

1952
02:02:44,040 --> 02:02:48,560
Speaker 8: her when she was alive, and like Ron said, they

1953
02:02:48,800 --> 02:02:52,200
Speaker 8: was not trying to save her. They was using her

1954
02:02:52,680 --> 02:02:53,720
Speaker 8: as an experiment.

1955
02:02:55,440 --> 02:02:57,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this begs a whole bunch of questions at

1956
02:02:57,280 --> 02:02:59,520
Speaker 1: twenty six away from the top of that. Now it

1957
02:02:59,720 --> 02:03:02,640
Speaker 1: could she do you think she could have lived eternally

1958
02:03:03,040 --> 02:03:05,120
Speaker 1: she'd be the only person who never died because of

1959
02:03:05,200 --> 02:03:05,720
Speaker 1: those cells.

1960
02:03:07,360 --> 02:03:09,600
Speaker 21: We can only guess about that car I mean, or

1961
02:03:09,640 --> 02:03:12,840
Speaker 21: we could only ensue. But her cells was involved and

1962
02:03:13,000 --> 02:03:16,600
Speaker 21: they was fighting off the cancer cells. If it wasn't

1963
02:03:16,640 --> 02:03:18,560
Speaker 21: for them radiation balls and you and you know what

1964
02:03:18,720 --> 02:03:23,120
Speaker 21: radiation do to the body, and they inserted it inside her.

1965
02:03:25,000 --> 02:03:27,320
Speaker 4: Think about what they did to my grandmother.

1966
02:03:27,480 --> 02:03:30,080
Speaker 21: I mean, my dad was used to tell me what

1967
02:03:30,280 --> 02:03:32,360
Speaker 21: he was used to take care of his mother, that

1968
02:03:32,480 --> 02:03:35,400
Speaker 21: he could he could smell, he could smell the death

1969
02:03:35,520 --> 02:03:38,680
Speaker 21: on her from them radiation boss, but she came back

1970
02:03:38,720 --> 02:03:40,240
Speaker 21: from Johns Hopkins Hospital.

1971
02:03:41,720 --> 02:03:45,600
Speaker 1: Now another medical question. Did the cancer cause the cell

1972
02:03:45,680 --> 02:03:46,680
Speaker 1: to be able to replicate?

1973
02:03:46,840 --> 02:03:47,000
Speaker 12: You know?

1974
02:03:50,360 --> 02:03:55,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it was the cancer cells there was mutating.

1975
02:03:56,080 --> 02:04:03,720
Speaker 8: And yeah, I just think that herself, like I said,

1976
02:04:03,880 --> 02:04:10,320
Speaker 8: herself have lived long enough to create the vaccine to HPV,

1977
02:04:11,240 --> 02:04:14,600
Speaker 8: to the very cancer, the cervile of cancer that killed her.

1978
02:04:16,280 --> 02:04:21,120
Speaker 8: So even the radiation didn't kill the didn't kill the

1979
02:04:21,240 --> 02:04:24,600
Speaker 8: cancer or the cells because they are still litereral.

1980
02:04:24,360 --> 02:04:27,480
Speaker 21: I got I gotta say. You can you can hear

1981
02:04:27,600 --> 02:04:30,839
Speaker 21: the proudness in me and my cousin's voices.

1982
02:04:31,320 --> 02:04:32,640
Speaker 22: How proud we are to be.

1983
02:04:32,920 --> 02:04:37,640
Speaker 21: The grandchildren of this magnificent, famous woman.

1984
02:04:40,840 --> 02:04:44,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you should be. I mean, this is

1985
02:04:44,240 --> 02:04:47,360
Speaker 1: a Handriette A. Lax has done something that nobody else

1986
02:04:47,440 --> 02:04:50,240
Speaker 1: on this entire planet can do. That's why I'm saying

1987
02:04:50,320 --> 02:04:52,520
Speaker 1: this story needs to be told. Everybody needs to know

1988
02:04:52,680 --> 02:04:56,280
Speaker 1: this story, not just black folks, everybody and any part

1989
02:04:56,320 --> 02:04:59,200
Speaker 1: of the world. Because they they were using herselves. But

1990
02:04:59,440 --> 02:05:01,400
Speaker 1: U we got to step aside a few months and

1991
02:05:01,400 --> 02:05:01,840
Speaker 1: we come back.

1992
02:05:01,880 --> 02:05:02,000
Speaker 3: Though.

1993
02:05:02,000 --> 02:05:04,360
Speaker 1: I want to ask you, fellas, what's being done to

1994
02:05:04,440 --> 02:05:07,200
Speaker 1: make sure that any other these people who in manufacturing,

1995
02:05:07,200 --> 02:05:10,960
Speaker 1: whether it be paint or lipstick or mouth wash, or

1996
02:05:11,120 --> 02:05:14,400
Speaker 1: using it in the lab that you guys, they have

1997
02:05:14,480 --> 02:05:16,520
Speaker 1: to get permission. What have you done to make sure

1998
02:05:16,560 --> 02:05:19,640
Speaker 1: that that you know, some guy Mumbai or some guy

1999
02:05:20,120 --> 02:05:23,120
Speaker 1: in Buenos Aires is not using these these these cells again,

2000
02:05:23,280 --> 02:05:25,320
Speaker 1: just using them for free and you guys don't know

2001
02:05:25,440 --> 02:05:27,760
Speaker 1: about it. I wonder if you put up any guardrails.

2002
02:05:27,880 --> 02:05:29,400
Speaker 1: Share that with the audience. We need to get back

2003
02:05:29,560 --> 02:05:31,560
Speaker 1: and family, you two can get in on this conversation.

2004
02:05:31,840 --> 02:05:36,960
Speaker 1: Ron Lax and Alfred Carter their grandmother. Ready, Henrietta Lax,

2005
02:05:37,280 --> 02:05:39,520
Speaker 1: she's the one who her sells are the only cells,

2006
02:05:39,600 --> 02:05:43,080
Speaker 1: the only person on this entire planet that replicate outside

2007
02:05:43,160 --> 02:05:45,200
Speaker 1: the body. What are your thoughts? Eight hundred and four

2008
02:05:45,280 --> 02:05:47,920
Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six will get you

2009
02:05:47,960 --> 02:05:50,480
Speaker 1: in and we'll take your phone calls next and grand

2010
02:05:50,560 --> 02:05:52,720
Speaker 1: rising family just checking in with us. I guess the

2011
02:05:52,840 --> 02:05:55,320
Speaker 1: two relatives of Henrietta the Lax. You've heard a story

2012
02:05:55,360 --> 02:05:57,640
Speaker 1: about a halo axe. She is the only person who

2013
02:05:57,760 --> 02:06:00,760
Speaker 1: sells replicate outside the body, and it's been used in

2014
02:06:00,880 --> 02:06:05,240
Speaker 1: several thousands of inventions as well, so of cureing cancers

2015
02:06:05,280 --> 02:06:07,400
Speaker 1: as well. What are your thoughts eight hundred four or

2016
02:06:07,440 --> 02:06:10,440
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six speak to Ron Lax

2017
02:06:10,560 --> 02:06:12,600
Speaker 1: or Alfred Carter before we go back to them. Let

2018
02:06:12,640 --> 02:06:14,520
Speaker 1: me just remind you. Coming later this morning, we speak

2019
02:06:14,560 --> 02:06:16,640
Speaker 1: with Kerry Gordy. Kerry Gordy is the son of Motown

2020
02:06:16,720 --> 02:06:19,560
Speaker 1: founder Barry Gordy. It's gonna tell us about his latest

2021
02:06:19,600 --> 02:06:22,120
Speaker 1: project called Sunday Best and also give us some share

2022
02:06:22,160 --> 02:06:24,600
Speaker 1: with us some Motown stories as well. And later this

2023
02:06:24,680 --> 02:06:26,320
Speaker 1: week you're going to hear from the University of Houston's

2024
02:06:26,360 --> 02:06:29,480
Speaker 1: doctor Gerald Horn, also media analyst that Wayne Gilman is

2025
02:06:29,520 --> 02:06:32,240
Speaker 1: going to join us along with Olympia doctor John Collis

2026
02:06:32,320 --> 02:06:35,080
Speaker 1: and also Frederick Douglas relative Terrence Bailey will be here.

2027
02:06:35,320 --> 02:06:37,120
Speaker 1: So if you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep

2028
02:06:37,120 --> 02:06:39,960
Speaker 1: that radio locked in tight on ten ten WLB or

2029
02:06:40,000 --> 02:06:42,720
Speaker 1: if you have a DMV, we're on fourteen fifty w L.

2030
02:06:42,960 --> 02:06:47,200
Speaker 1: All right, So, fellas, have you put guardrails in place

2031
02:06:47,280 --> 02:06:49,760
Speaker 1: now that other people, your other entities that coming up

2032
02:06:49,760 --> 02:06:52,000
Speaker 1: I want to use Your Grandma sells that they can

2033
02:06:52,080 --> 02:06:53,920
Speaker 1: just go ahead and use it for free. How can

2034
02:06:54,000 --> 02:06:54,560
Speaker 1: you stop them?

2035
02:06:56,080 --> 02:07:01,760
Speaker 8: Yes, Sir Soldo family had The family had did an

2036
02:07:01,800 --> 02:07:06,360
Speaker 8: agreement with the National Institute of Health UH a few

2037
02:07:06,440 --> 02:07:11,600
Speaker 8: years ago, which Ron and I are in the process

2038
02:07:12,400 --> 02:07:19,920
Speaker 8: of redoing this UH contract or or or agreement so

2039
02:07:20,080 --> 02:07:25,360
Speaker 8: to speak with the NIH because we feel that there

2040
02:07:26,280 --> 02:07:28,280
Speaker 8: has been so much that has changed.

2041
02:07:28,840 --> 02:07:29,960
Speaker 4: So the f I H.

2042
02:07:32,240 --> 02:07:35,680
Speaker 8: Those are the guardrails that UH that's gonna be up

2043
02:07:35,760 --> 02:07:38,240
Speaker 8: and people will not be able to use the healer

2044
02:07:38,320 --> 02:07:43,320
Speaker 8: self without going through the National Institute of Health and

2045
02:07:43,480 --> 02:07:47,400
Speaker 8: getting consent from the family of what it what they're

2046
02:07:47,480 --> 02:07:51,360
Speaker 8: doing with the healer cells. And I just want to

2047
02:07:51,400 --> 02:07:56,800
Speaker 8: say one thing before Ron goes. The family just wants

2048
02:07:56,880 --> 02:08:04,360
Speaker 8: people to understand the Lot family story because, like I said,

2049
02:08:05,920 --> 02:08:10,800
Speaker 8: back in two thousand, my mother opens the Henry Otte

2050
02:08:10,880 --> 02:08:15,640
Speaker 8: Lot's estate, which have been circumvented every since. The woman

2051
02:08:15,680 --> 02:08:20,200
Speaker 8: who wrote the book, Rebecca split not one dime, not

2052
02:08:20,440 --> 02:08:24,480
Speaker 8: one dime of her proceeds went to the Henriette of

2053
02:08:24,560 --> 02:08:30,880
Speaker 8: Lat's state, not one dime. Everything went into her pocket.

2054
02:08:31,680 --> 02:08:35,280
Speaker 8: So whenever you buy that book the Immortal Life was

2055
02:08:35,360 --> 02:08:39,160
Speaker 8: Henrietta Latch, you're not helping the Latch family. You're helping

2056
02:08:39,200 --> 02:08:43,040
Speaker 8: a white woman from Portland, Oregon who has got rich

2057
02:08:43,680 --> 02:08:49,000
Speaker 8: off of the Henryette Lighte story doing the very exact

2058
02:08:49,320 --> 02:08:54,240
Speaker 8: exact thing that she wrote about pharmaceutical companies doing. And

2059
02:08:54,560 --> 02:08:57,760
Speaker 8: I wrote all about that in my book because she

2060
02:08:58,000 --> 02:09:02,200
Speaker 8: has she had a slave owner's mentality. She came in

2061
02:09:02,960 --> 02:09:06,240
Speaker 8: and she circumvented the estate, and she tried to she

2062
02:09:06,560 --> 02:09:09,640
Speaker 8: divided the family. I'm not gonna say she tried. She

2063
02:09:09,920 --> 02:09:15,000
Speaker 8: divided the family, but the family is back together in solidarity.

2064
02:09:15,120 --> 02:09:18,960
Speaker 8: Now we're standings strong and we're moving forward in twenty

2065
02:09:19,080 --> 02:09:19,640
Speaker 8: twenty six.

2066
02:09:20,800 --> 02:09:21,440
Speaker 1: That's good to know.

2067
02:09:21,720 --> 02:09:21,880
Speaker 10: Ron.

2068
02:09:22,040 --> 02:09:24,000
Speaker 1: You want to say something, And.

2069
02:09:24,480 --> 02:09:29,480
Speaker 21: Yes, Carl, Now, when we first attorneys first came in,

2070
02:09:30,160 --> 02:09:33,839
Speaker 21: they set up everything, they set up the estate and everything.

2071
02:09:34,880 --> 02:09:39,680
Speaker 21: I was not introduced to the estate's attorney. I don't

2072
02:09:39,680 --> 02:09:42,480
Speaker 21: even know this person. This person never once called me

2073
02:09:43,320 --> 02:09:46,080
Speaker 21: told me the dos and don't. So I'm in the

2074
02:09:46,240 --> 02:09:52,520
Speaker 21: process of finding my own state attorney, to someone that

2075
02:09:52,640 --> 02:09:55,920
Speaker 21: I can relate to you, someone that relates information to

2076
02:09:56,040 --> 02:10:00,560
Speaker 21: me to help my family do the necessary the things

2077
02:10:00,640 --> 02:10:04,160
Speaker 21: they need to do, like see sid desist letters on

2078
02:10:05,000 --> 02:10:08,320
Speaker 21: people using certain things of Henrietta's.

2079
02:10:08,960 --> 02:10:10,920
Speaker 4: So that's that's a that's a big.

2080
02:10:10,840 --> 02:10:15,800
Speaker 21: Step in itself to get someone that's knowledgeable on the estate.

2081
02:10:17,200 --> 02:10:17,520
Speaker 1: All right.

2082
02:10:17,680 --> 02:10:21,879
Speaker 8: Fourteen Away from the Top Down twenty sixteen and twenty sixteen,

2083
02:10:21,920 --> 02:10:28,680
Speaker 8: mister Paull, I trademarked her name Henrietta Light. I trademarked

2084
02:10:28,720 --> 02:10:33,640
Speaker 8: her name Henrietta Lot and I also trademark Heler two

2085
02:10:33,760 --> 02:10:34,240
Speaker 8: years ago.

2086
02:10:36,480 --> 02:10:41,400
Speaker 1: What about what about HeLa Sales? Is that trademarked comfort.

2087
02:10:42,720 --> 02:10:45,720
Speaker 8: H E l A Yes, sir, Justine, Okay.

2088
02:10:46,400 --> 02:10:50,200
Speaker 1: But but as HeLa Sales trademark, did somebody jump ahead

2089
02:10:50,200 --> 02:10:53,200
Speaker 1: of you guys on that one because that's what they

2090
02:10:53,280 --> 02:10:54,800
Speaker 1: call it and that's what they used. Well, yeah, I

2091
02:10:54,800 --> 02:10:58,520
Speaker 1: think you need to trademark that one as well. Fourteen

2092
02:10:58,560 --> 02:11:02,280
Speaker 1: Away from the Top Down. Yes, Sir, David's joined us

2093
02:11:02,320 --> 02:11:04,480
Speaker 1: for Marylton. He wants to speak to you brothers. Grand

2094
02:11:04,560 --> 02:11:07,120
Speaker 1: Rising David Davis Online three Grand Rising David y'all with

2095
02:11:07,200 --> 02:11:08,320
Speaker 1: Ron Lax and Alfred Carter.

2096
02:11:08,520 --> 02:11:09,800
Speaker 8: My god, that's my god.

2097
02:11:11,200 --> 02:11:14,520
Speaker 7: Hey, how y'all doing this morning? Thank you mister mister

2098
02:11:14,640 --> 02:11:18,280
Speaker 7: Carl for doing this show this morning. You know, been

2099
02:11:18,360 --> 02:11:21,280
Speaker 7: with y'all for a long time and been supporting y'all

2100
02:11:21,280 --> 02:11:23,840
Speaker 7: for a long time, and you know, I just want

2101
02:11:24,000 --> 02:11:27,120
Speaker 7: y'all to take a moment and you know, tell the

2102
02:11:27,240 --> 02:11:30,960
Speaker 7: world how it feels for the wheels of financial justice

2103
02:11:31,120 --> 02:11:35,640
Speaker 7: to finally start moving forward just a little bit, all.

2104
02:11:35,600 --> 02:11:37,080
Speaker 22: Right, It feels great.

2105
02:11:37,640 --> 02:11:41,440
Speaker 8: It feels great, David, for the wills of justice, uh,

2106
02:11:41,640 --> 02:11:45,960
Speaker 8: financial justice to start turning, because for so long, you know,

2107
02:11:46,200 --> 02:11:49,960
Speaker 8: everybody has been benefiting off of and real lights in

2108
02:11:50,000 --> 02:11:54,720
Speaker 8: the heel selves, everybody except the family and and you

2109
02:11:54,880 --> 02:11:55,600
Speaker 8: are knowing.

2110
02:11:59,360 --> 02:11:59,600
Speaker 3: Good.

2111
02:12:01,800 --> 02:12:05,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, when ron obtained Van Klump uh and Chris Seeger

2112
02:12:06,640 --> 02:12:11,040
Speaker 8: and their and their law firms, Uh, we were standing

2113
02:12:11,160 --> 02:12:15,880
Speaker 8: on the shoulders of giants, and and we had attorneys

2114
02:12:16,000 --> 02:12:18,760
Speaker 8: that were not afraid to go up against these big

2115
02:12:18,800 --> 02:12:23,120
Speaker 8: pharmaceutical companies. We tried, We've tried, Rona tell you, We've

2116
02:12:23,280 --> 02:12:28,560
Speaker 8: tried to get certain attorneys here in Baltimore and here

2117
02:12:28,600 --> 02:12:31,680
Speaker 8: in Maryland. And some of them wouldn't even come in

2118
02:12:31,760 --> 02:12:35,600
Speaker 8: the office. We're sitting in the office, you know, they

2119
02:12:35,640 --> 02:12:37,800
Speaker 8: wouldn't even come in there. They wouldn't even come in

2120
02:12:37,880 --> 02:12:41,080
Speaker 8: their own office. And and and and just look in

2121
02:12:41,280 --> 02:12:44,000
Speaker 8: and say, yeah, we're not gonna be able to do this.

2122
02:12:46,400 --> 02:12:49,320
Speaker 1: Werether scared? What was what was what was that about?

2123
02:12:50,880 --> 02:12:55,840
Speaker 8: Coward car Worth? And they are in the pockets of

2124
02:12:56,600 --> 02:13:00,600
Speaker 8: these big pharmaceutical companies and Johns Hopkins. That's all I

2125
02:13:00,640 --> 02:13:02,720
Speaker 8: have to say. And I'm not gonna mention no names

2126
02:13:02,880 --> 02:13:05,520
Speaker 8: because I don't want to get seen for defremention of character.

2127
02:13:06,040 --> 02:13:09,800
Speaker 4: But the truth is the truth. He was in Baltimore.

2128
02:13:10,280 --> 02:13:13,720
Speaker 21: John Hopkins had Baltimore wrapped up, you know. And I

2129
02:13:13,920 --> 02:13:17,000
Speaker 21: just want to say our Henrietta, you know, she finally

2130
02:13:17,080 --> 02:13:20,600
Speaker 21: looking down from heaven and saying, what are y'all doing?

2131
02:13:20,760 --> 02:13:22,160
Speaker 4: From from my people?

2132
02:13:22,280 --> 02:13:25,600
Speaker 21: You know, every mother wants their children to be things here.

2133
02:13:26,040 --> 02:13:29,320
Speaker 21: So what what little bit of proms they giving us

2134
02:13:29,560 --> 02:13:34,400
Speaker 21: now from from from over seventy years of her stolen

2135
02:13:34,520 --> 02:13:37,280
Speaker 21: cells is still just fitties?

2136
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Speaker 4: But we do know.

2137
02:13:40,840 --> 02:13:42,080
Speaker 8: Now, right disrespectful?

2138
02:13:43,320 --> 02:13:46,320
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I got a twe you questions from Big

2139
02:13:46,400 --> 02:13:49,520
Speaker 1: West in Atlanta. He says that you guys should have

2140
02:13:49,600 --> 02:13:53,440
Speaker 1: a barcode on her cells structure. Is that possible or

2141
02:13:53,560 --> 02:13:57,040
Speaker 1: is that because the cells replicate so fast so quickly

2142
02:13:57,120 --> 02:13:59,480
Speaker 1: outside the boud it? Can you have canny? Can he

2143
02:14:00,040 --> 02:14:01,840
Speaker 1: and you have a barcode on it? This is what

2144
02:14:02,040 --> 02:14:04,760
Speaker 1: the Western atl is asking because they.

2145
02:14:04,720 --> 02:14:08,640
Speaker 21: Had the court the Supreme Court said that you couldn't

2146
02:14:08,720 --> 02:14:12,680
Speaker 21: uh patent a cell of body part something like that

2147
02:14:13,680 --> 02:14:14,640
Speaker 21: a couple of years ago.

2148
02:14:15,360 --> 02:14:16,120
Speaker 4: Fucking recall.

2149
02:14:18,600 --> 02:14:22,360
Speaker 8: Oh wow, yeah, because I'm not sure, mister Nelson, I'm

2150
02:14:22,400 --> 02:14:28,120
Speaker 8: not sure about that. So any information that's not true.

2151
02:14:30,160 --> 02:14:32,880
Speaker 1: And then now we saw the movie Fellas that that

2152
02:14:33,040 --> 02:14:37,240
Speaker 1: that Oprah data playing your grandma. Do you guys envision

2153
02:14:37,360 --> 02:14:40,640
Speaker 1: doing another movie the second part because you know, and

2154
02:14:40,800 --> 02:14:43,640
Speaker 1: include the fights that you had to go through so

2155
02:14:43,840 --> 02:14:46,080
Speaker 1: that the so the world will know what happened. So

2156
02:14:46,200 --> 02:14:49,480
Speaker 1: the world because that movie it's to me and this

2157
02:14:49,600 --> 02:14:52,280
Speaker 1: is my no shade on Oprah, but it seemed like

2158
02:14:52,320 --> 02:14:55,840
Speaker 1: it was self serving. Uh you know, so for for

2159
02:14:56,560 --> 02:14:58,520
Speaker 1: you do a movie and tell the real deal and

2160
02:14:58,840 --> 02:15:00,720
Speaker 1: also the fights that you had to go through in

2161
02:15:00,760 --> 02:15:01,640
Speaker 1: the pictures that you've.

2162
02:15:01,560 --> 02:15:08,360
Speaker 8: Bun exactly, yes, sir, that should be done over to earth. Yeah,

2163
02:15:08,520 --> 02:15:11,560
Speaker 8: and this and this is the reason why Ron wrote

2164
02:15:11,640 --> 02:15:16,480
Speaker 8: his book, Uh, Henrietta Lats Untold Stories, and I wrote

2165
02:15:16,640 --> 02:15:20,600
Speaker 8: I wrote my book Shadows of Immortality, the Untold Struggles

2166
02:15:20,640 --> 02:15:24,760
Speaker 8: of Henrietta Lats's Grandson because, like I mentioned early, the

2167
02:15:24,880 --> 02:15:29,480
Speaker 8: epigenetics that has happened because of the shadows that have

2168
02:15:29,640 --> 02:15:35,920
Speaker 8: been cast on this story and has it's continuing to

2169
02:15:36,040 --> 02:15:41,040
Speaker 8: this day and I always used the left side right

2170
02:15:41,120 --> 02:15:44,200
Speaker 8: side formula. On the left side is what they did

2171
02:15:44,440 --> 02:15:50,360
Speaker 8: to this family. They stole Henrietta sells. They made billions

2172
02:15:50,400 --> 02:15:54,160
Speaker 8: and billions and maybe trillions of dollars and gave the

2173
02:15:54,280 --> 02:15:59,160
Speaker 8: family nothing. And then on the right side, it's just imaginative.

2174
02:15:59,480 --> 02:16:04,520
Speaker 8: George or the King to Henrietta or my granddad David

2175
02:16:04,600 --> 02:16:09,280
Speaker 8: and said he family, we think, we think we got

2176
02:16:09,520 --> 02:16:13,120
Speaker 8: the first immortal cell line. And do you think that

2177
02:16:13,760 --> 02:16:17,640
Speaker 8: our family would have struggled like they struggle dying with

2178
02:16:17,880 --> 02:16:23,080
Speaker 8: no healthcare, my mom, Ron's dad, my uncles dying with

2179
02:16:23,240 --> 02:16:27,200
Speaker 8: no healthcare. No, we might have had doctors, we might

2180
02:16:27,280 --> 02:16:32,440
Speaker 8: have had lawyers and scientists in our family. Because we

2181
02:16:32,600 --> 02:16:37,720
Speaker 8: all know association bring assimilation. That's why so many sports

2182
02:16:37,800 --> 02:16:41,920
Speaker 8: figures their children are now sports figures, because they grew

2183
02:16:42,040 --> 02:16:44,760
Speaker 8: up in the around it, in the locker rooms. So

2184
02:16:44,920 --> 02:16:50,920
Speaker 8: now that's what figures. So if we would have been

2185
02:16:51,000 --> 02:16:55,920
Speaker 8: exposed to the heel of cell, our family wouldn't have

2186
02:16:56,040 --> 02:17:02,440
Speaker 8: suffered generation. Yes, it's generational. My mom wouldn't have had

2187
02:17:02,480 --> 02:17:05,440
Speaker 8: to grow up without her mother, not knowing about her mother.

2188
02:17:06,040 --> 02:17:08,760
Speaker 8: Ron dad wouldn't have had to go through through what

2189
02:17:08,959 --> 02:17:15,400
Speaker 8: he went through and off as a generation down, we

2190
02:17:15,480 --> 02:17:17,480
Speaker 8: wouldn't have had to go through what we went through.

2191
02:17:18,920 --> 02:17:21,600
Speaker 8: Ye could have been doing much different.

2192
02:17:23,440 --> 02:17:27,280
Speaker 21: I google, well what Hendrita ourselves have did. It just

2193
02:17:27,400 --> 02:17:32,400
Speaker 21: says here that her sells contribute you over ten million

2194
02:17:32,600 --> 02:17:33,800
Speaker 21: lives being saved.

2195
02:17:34,160 --> 02:17:35,920
Speaker 4: Wow, that's a lie.

2196
02:17:36,640 --> 02:17:37,920
Speaker 1: Wow ten millions.

2197
02:17:38,600 --> 02:17:40,080
Speaker 22: Not only not only.

2198
02:17:39,959 --> 02:17:43,200
Speaker 8: Ten million lives being saved ron, but look at the

2199
02:17:43,360 --> 02:17:49,280
Speaker 8: lives that she created through bf ON. Many young ladies

2200
02:17:49,320 --> 02:17:51,840
Speaker 8: and women come up to me with tears in their

2201
02:17:51,920 --> 02:17:56,280
Speaker 8: eyes and thanked me for Henrietta. They say, because of

2202
02:17:56,440 --> 02:18:00,480
Speaker 8: your grandmother, I have a child now gratified and his death.

2203
02:18:01,640 --> 02:18:02,680
Speaker 22: Yep, exactly.

2204
02:18:03,320 --> 02:18:05,600
Speaker 1: But I gotta ask you, fellas this it's seven minutes

2205
02:18:05,600 --> 02:18:07,880
Speaker 1: away from the top. How can you put a dollar

2206
02:18:07,959 --> 02:18:11,440
Speaker 1: figure on all of these these these cells have accomplished,

2207
02:18:11,480 --> 02:18:13,320
Speaker 1: that they've done for people. How can you you know?

2208
02:18:13,680 --> 02:18:15,240
Speaker 1: It just seems to be immeasurable.

2209
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Speaker 21: It is.

2210
02:18:17,240 --> 02:18:20,240
Speaker 8: It is with the call because like I said, you

2211
02:18:20,360 --> 02:18:24,680
Speaker 8: can't quantify it. And then for these pharmaceutical companies to

2212
02:18:24,840 --> 02:18:29,160
Speaker 8: want to offer us a million dollars or or whatever

2213
02:18:29,640 --> 02:18:35,160
Speaker 8: their amount is, it's just ludicrous. It's unfathomable that they

2214
02:18:35,240 --> 02:18:39,840
Speaker 8: have made almost trillions of dollars off of the heel itself,

2215
02:18:40,240 --> 02:18:44,120
Speaker 8: off of our grandmother. This ain't no fifth or sixth generation.

2216
02:18:44,560 --> 02:18:47,800
Speaker 8: This was my mother's mother. This is Ron's father mother,

2217
02:18:49,160 --> 02:18:54,160
Speaker 8: and there to treat us like like they're doing us

2218
02:18:54,240 --> 02:18:58,520
Speaker 8: a favor. No, if we were white, I can almost

2219
02:18:59,000 --> 02:19:03,279
Speaker 8: trumps trust and believe if we were a white family,

2220
02:19:03,400 --> 02:19:05,240
Speaker 8: we would be the richest family in the world.

2221
02:19:05,879 --> 02:19:10,080
Speaker 21: I can be praised fas would be praised. They were

2222
02:19:10,160 --> 02:19:17,440
Speaker 21: praised that same right. That's racism is If racism is is.

2223
02:19:19,160 --> 02:19:23,400
Speaker 8: Bad, is bad is embedded in the fabrica in the

2224
02:19:23,520 --> 02:19:25,800
Speaker 8: United States. We see what's going on now.

2225
02:19:27,240 --> 02:19:29,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I got to ask you this question and

2226
02:19:29,560 --> 02:19:31,240
Speaker 1: I'll let you respond because I'm looking at the clock.

2227
02:19:31,280 --> 02:19:33,400
Speaker 1: We got to step aside so our stations can identify

2228
02:19:33,440 --> 02:19:36,440
Speaker 1: themselves down the line. But you guys knew Did you

2229
02:19:36,600 --> 02:19:40,280
Speaker 1: know this before or afterwards about the racism aspect? If so,

2230
02:19:40,480 --> 02:19:42,840
Speaker 1: how did you let this young white lady and no

2231
02:19:42,959 --> 02:19:45,320
Speaker 1: shade on her too, who wrote the book? You gave

2232
02:19:45,360 --> 02:19:48,000
Speaker 1: her the rights to write the book knowing that, and

2233
02:19:48,160 --> 02:19:51,000
Speaker 1: now you say she hasn't even contributed a dime and

2234
02:19:51,360 --> 02:19:54,320
Speaker 1: it said anything to the family. Does she talk about it?

2235
02:19:54,440 --> 02:19:56,840
Speaker 1: Does she does she want has she called you? Does

2236
02:19:56,920 --> 02:19:59,880
Speaker 1: she apologized for some of the stuff that was inaccurate

2237
02:20:00,120 --> 02:20:04,280
Speaker 1: the book? And two did Oprah apologize for for use

2238
02:20:04,360 --> 02:20:07,320
Speaker 1: in the family again and distorting some of the facts,

2239
02:20:07,440 --> 02:20:09,640
Speaker 1: especially about your relatives. I let you respond to that

2240
02:20:09,680 --> 02:20:11,600
Speaker 1: when we get back. Family, you two can join our

2241
02:20:11,640 --> 02:20:15,480
Speaker 1: discussion with Ron Lax and Alfred Carter their grandmother, Henrietta

2242
02:20:15,480 --> 02:20:17,720
Speaker 1: of Lax the Helos cells. She was the only person

2243
02:20:17,840 --> 02:20:21,119
Speaker 1: on this entire planet so far the cells can replicate,

2244
02:20:21,160 --> 02:20:26,640
Speaker 1: as they mentioned, thousands and thousands of the just different things.

2245
02:20:26,760 --> 02:20:29,600
Speaker 1: We talk about the mouthwash, we talk about lipstick, we

2246
02:20:29,680 --> 02:20:32,520
Speaker 1: talk about cervical cancer. We're talking about all the things

2247
02:20:32,560 --> 02:20:35,680
Speaker 1: that the Helo Sacks Sells has done. What are your thoughts?

2248
02:20:35,879 --> 02:20:37,720
Speaker 1: You can reach out to us at eight hundred four

2249
02:20:37,760 --> 02:20:40,879
Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take

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02:20:40,879 --> 02:20:44,240
Speaker 1: your phone calls next and grand Rising family. Thanks are

2251
02:20:44,240 --> 02:20:46,600
Speaker 1: staying with us on this Tuesday morning here on the

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02:20:46,640 --> 02:20:49,240
Speaker 1: third of March. At twenty twenty six moment, Taela, you're

2253
02:20:49,240 --> 02:20:51,199
Speaker 1: going to speak with Kerry Gordy, the son of Barry Gordy.

2254
02:20:51,200 --> 02:20:53,720
Speaker 1: We're gona tak music and entertainment with Kerry right now

2255
02:20:53,800 --> 02:20:58,040
Speaker 1: though with Ron lax and Alfred Carter, their relatives, their grandmother,

2256
02:20:58,120 --> 02:21:01,480
Speaker 1: Henrietta lax hersells the only sales just think about this

2257
02:21:01,560 --> 02:21:04,560
Speaker 1: for a second family, the only sales in the entire

2258
02:21:04,800 --> 02:21:08,480
Speaker 1: world on this planet, probably other planets too that can replicate.

2259
02:21:08,920 --> 02:21:12,720
Speaker 1: And her shells were taken without permission, used by all

2260
02:21:12,840 --> 02:21:16,920
Speaker 1: sorts of companies, you know, and also to you know,

2261
02:21:17,000 --> 02:21:23,400
Speaker 1: people use it for cancer, for glue, for mouthwise and

2262
02:21:24,560 --> 02:21:26,880
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. But they never got paid. So

2263
02:21:27,040 --> 02:21:29,120
Speaker 1: the question is what are they doing now? Before we

2264
02:21:29,200 --> 02:21:31,520
Speaker 1: go to carry though, Raymond is calling from Capitol Hill

2265
02:21:31,720 --> 02:21:35,040
Speaker 1: has a question for Ron and Alfred. Raymond, Grand Rising,

2266
02:21:35,040 --> 02:21:36,879
Speaker 1: you're on with Ron lax and Alfred Carter.

2267
02:21:39,360 --> 02:21:43,120
Speaker 13: For taking my call. I wanted to ask how come

2268
02:21:44,080 --> 02:21:46,880
Speaker 13: they don't have an attorney on here with them during

2269
02:21:46,959 --> 02:21:50,879
Speaker 13: this interview so we can know what is the next

2270
02:21:51,000 --> 02:21:59,240
Speaker 13: step in their fight to get not only financially compensated,

2271
02:22:00,480 --> 02:22:03,400
Speaker 13: but what it's the next level, because an attorney on

2272
02:22:03,560 --> 02:22:08,000
Speaker 13: the show with them today would help clarify some of

2273
02:22:08,200 --> 02:22:14,640
Speaker 13: the the legal legalities of what they should be doing.

2274
02:22:15,360 --> 02:22:18,760
Speaker 13: Because I've been listening for the whole hour and basically

2275
02:22:18,959 --> 02:22:22,480
Speaker 13: they have laid out how they've been wrong and the

2276
02:22:22,600 --> 02:22:29,879
Speaker 13: family has been wrong and usurped out of their compensations.

2277
02:22:30,520 --> 02:22:33,080
Speaker 13: But a lawyer on the show should have been on

2278
02:22:33,160 --> 02:22:37,480
Speaker 13: there with them today to help the listeners understand what

2279
02:22:37,560 --> 02:22:41,240
Speaker 13: would be the next level, if there is any next

2280
02:22:41,360 --> 02:22:44,040
Speaker 13: level far as legally, and what they can do is

2281
02:22:44,080 --> 02:22:46,959
Speaker 13: stil as far as lawsuits or anything else.

2282
02:22:47,680 --> 02:22:50,279
Speaker 1: That's all right, let's give me a chance to respond. Thanks, Raymond,

2283
02:22:50,879 --> 02:22:52,200
Speaker 1: Rono Alfred, you want to hear that.

2284
02:22:52,840 --> 02:22:55,760
Speaker 8: Yes, sir, yes, sir, thank you for the question. Well,

2285
02:22:56,400 --> 02:22:59,120
Speaker 8: to be honest, you know, we don't need a lawyer

2286
02:22:59,640 --> 02:23:04,320
Speaker 8: to it found on our life our life experiences. This

2287
02:23:04,520 --> 02:23:08,480
Speaker 8: is our life experience. So the legalities and the ramifications

2288
02:23:08,840 --> 02:23:12,320
Speaker 8: of what happened is in black and white. We already

2289
02:23:12,440 --> 02:23:14,680
Speaker 8: know that we are.

2290
02:23:16,040 --> 02:23:16,400
Speaker 12: We are.

2291
02:23:16,640 --> 02:23:20,760
Speaker 8: We have shot shoots against we have cases against these

2292
02:23:20,840 --> 02:23:26,440
Speaker 8: pharmaceutical companies for unjust and Richmond. That's the next step,

2293
02:23:26,640 --> 02:23:32,560
Speaker 8: that's the next level. These companies have enriched themselves unlawfully

2294
02:23:33,280 --> 02:23:38,640
Speaker 8: because they know these selves were stolen. And for mister

2295
02:23:38,760 --> 02:23:41,960
Speaker 8: Carl you had said something about racism earlier. The racism

2296
02:23:42,080 --> 02:23:44,840
Speaker 8: has been at it from the beginning, when she was

2297
02:23:44,879 --> 02:23:48,680
Speaker 8: in the Colored ward at John's Hoftas Hospital. Then when

2298
02:23:50,120 --> 02:23:55,119
Speaker 8: George Guy on the BBC documentary The Way of All

2299
02:23:55,240 --> 02:24:01,400
Speaker 8: Flesh even said, I didn't tell those people because in

2300
02:24:01,560 --> 02:24:05,080
Speaker 8: fear of getting sued, he studied out his own mouth

2301
02:24:05,360 --> 02:24:08,240
Speaker 8: and then he said, it's not like they would have

2302
02:24:08,520 --> 02:24:12,959
Speaker 8: understood anyway. And then you asked me about why did

2303
02:24:13,080 --> 02:24:17,720
Speaker 8: we let Rebecca Scleute write this book because nobody has

2304
02:24:17,800 --> 02:24:20,080
Speaker 8: ever told the story of him. We had als, but

2305
02:24:20,320 --> 02:24:23,359
Speaker 8: my mom started writing.

2306
02:24:23,160 --> 02:24:24,080
Speaker 11: Her own book.

2307
02:24:24,640 --> 02:24:28,360
Speaker 8: I have all her handwritten notes, I have all the proof.

2308
02:24:28,680 --> 02:24:32,040
Speaker 8: Everything that I'm saying is back by proof. I'm not

2309
02:24:32,240 --> 02:24:37,440
Speaker 8: saying anything that's not backed by facts. I have all

2310
02:24:37,520 --> 02:24:42,280
Speaker 8: the handwritten documents that my mother wrote putting together her book.

2311
02:24:42,520 --> 02:24:45,480
Speaker 8: And then when Rebecca Scute reached out to my mother

2312
02:24:45,879 --> 02:24:48,920
Speaker 8: because my mother was hitting a brick wall, tried to

2313
02:24:49,000 --> 02:24:55,640
Speaker 8: get informations from Johns Hopkins Hospital, from Crownsville Hospital where

2314
02:24:56,000 --> 02:24:59,440
Speaker 8: out on Elsie was in which she died, where so

2315
02:24:59,680 --> 02:25:02,840
Speaker 8: much travesty happened. And that's something else that we're gonna

2316
02:25:02,879 --> 02:25:05,119
Speaker 8: look at you. We're gonna dig it to that, because

2317
02:25:05,200 --> 02:25:08,240
Speaker 8: they killed my aunt in that place. They rate turn

2318
02:25:08,400 --> 02:25:12,920
Speaker 8: that place. It's so much that has happened to this family.

2319
02:25:14,120 --> 02:25:17,960
Speaker 8: Do to you with Johns Hopkins, the Maryland State Anatomy

2320
02:25:18,040 --> 02:25:22,000
Speaker 8: Board and when you united University of Maryland has done

2321
02:25:22,040 --> 02:25:26,040
Speaker 8: to this family. And we want people that we are

2322
02:25:26,240 --> 02:25:29,920
Speaker 8: no longer victims. We are the victors and we are

2323
02:25:30,120 --> 02:25:34,640
Speaker 8: in the life saving mission for Henrietta Lax to humanity.

2324
02:25:35,040 --> 02:25:39,600
Speaker 8: Now whenever our attorney Ben Crump has time, and he

2325
02:25:39,760 --> 02:25:42,720
Speaker 8: was just on the podcast with Jamal Bryant the other day.

2326
02:25:43,400 --> 02:25:46,080
Speaker 8: He's living his own life. He has his own things,

2327
02:25:46,400 --> 02:25:49,920
Speaker 8: So we can't call for him to just be with

2328
02:25:50,160 --> 02:25:53,600
Speaker 8: us anytime that we have interviews, because this is not

2329
02:25:53,680 --> 02:25:56,080
Speaker 8: the only interview you know that we do.

2330
02:25:56,280 --> 02:25:56,760
Speaker 4: We're born.

2331
02:25:57,040 --> 02:25:59,600
Speaker 8: We're doing a whole lot of interviews. So I mean

2332
02:25:59,840 --> 02:26:03,800
Speaker 8: it all comes down to, uh, you know, if they

2333
02:26:03,920 --> 02:26:06,160
Speaker 8: have time to join us on the call. I mean,

2334
02:26:06,240 --> 02:26:07,600
Speaker 8: we're not talking about.

2335
02:26:09,160 --> 02:26:10,680
Speaker 1: And Alfred. I'm gonna cry that because we got our

2336
02:26:10,720 --> 02:26:13,320
Speaker 1: next guest on deck. We got to get to Kerry Gordy.

2337
02:26:13,400 --> 02:26:16,280
Speaker 1: But before I let you, brothers go give us the

2338
02:26:16,400 --> 02:26:19,760
Speaker 1: title of both of your books. Ron, what's the title

2339
02:26:19,760 --> 02:26:20,280
Speaker 1: of your book?

2340
02:26:21,680 --> 02:26:24,000
Speaker 4: Hit Me the Leats The Untold Story.

2341
02:26:26,160 --> 02:26:26,520
Speaker 1: Alfred?

2342
02:26:26,760 --> 02:26:32,599
Speaker 8: And the title of my book is Shadows of Immortality,

2343
02:26:32,760 --> 02:26:37,160
Speaker 8: The untold Sugars of Henrietta Latch's grandson Alfred Lats called

2344
02:26:37,200 --> 02:26:37,800
Speaker 8: a jingo.

2345
02:26:38,520 --> 02:26:40,800
Speaker 1: All right, I thank you brothers. Thank you for staying

2346
02:26:40,840 --> 02:26:42,360
Speaker 1: on the case and keep us in the loop or

2347
02:26:42,400 --> 02:26:44,440
Speaker 1: anything new happens, please let us know.

2348
02:26:45,720 --> 02:26:45,920
Speaker 21: Well.

2349
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Speaker 1: Alrighty family six after the top of let's say grand

2350
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Speaker 1: rising to our next guest, ha mus to be come

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02:26:53,879 --> 02:26:57,000
Speaker 1: from another famous family, Kerry Gordy, Welcome back to the program.

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02:26:58,320 --> 02:26:59,320
Speaker 22: Hey man, how you doing.

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02:27:00,160 --> 02:27:02,480
Speaker 1: I'm still learning, man, I'm just just learning a lot

2354
02:27:02,560 --> 02:27:05,280
Speaker 1: for those brothers about Henrietta Lax. But I'm gonna know

2355
02:27:05,320 --> 02:27:07,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to learn some stuff about Motown from you

2356
02:27:07,760 --> 02:27:10,480
Speaker 1: as well. Thank you for coming back with us.

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02:27:11,959 --> 02:27:14,760
Speaker 22: Oh, not even an issue. I love you guys. As

2358
02:27:14,800 --> 02:27:18,560
Speaker 22: a matter of fact, I had a chance to spend Christmas,

2359
02:27:19,040 --> 02:27:25,920
Speaker 22: uh Christmas in where we were in Aspen with Alfred Ligan.

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02:27:27,040 --> 02:27:27,800
Speaker 1: Oh the boss.

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02:27:31,360 --> 02:27:34,280
Speaker 11: Yeah good, that was that was that.

2362
02:27:34,400 --> 02:27:37,039
Speaker 22: Was That was a fun time. We have a great friendship.

2363
02:27:37,720 --> 02:27:40,640
Speaker 1: Oh good, because we want to talk about the project

2364
02:27:40,680 --> 02:27:44,200
Speaker 1: that you're working on, Sunday Best on Netflix. How did

2365
02:27:44,240 --> 02:27:44,800
Speaker 1: that come about?

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02:27:46,520 --> 02:27:50,680
Speaker 22: Oh my gosh, okay, so, uh Sunday Best. It's the

2367
02:27:51,120 --> 02:27:57,080
Speaker 22: story of Ed Sullivan and uh. But people don't know

2368
02:27:57,680 --> 02:28:04,440
Speaker 22: how he actually stampions uh the civil rights calls by

2369
02:28:05,200 --> 02:28:10,199
Speaker 22: actually putting black people on his show in a time

2370
02:28:10,600 --> 02:28:15,680
Speaker 22: when no black people were uh were on television. And

2371
02:28:15,840 --> 02:28:19,520
Speaker 22: people don't understand everything that he had to go through,

2372
02:28:20,000 --> 02:28:23,120
Speaker 22: you know, with regard to the Kuku plan and and

2373
02:28:23,400 --> 02:28:27,440
Speaker 22: and the uh sponsors and the networks and and the

2374
02:28:27,560 --> 02:28:32,000
Speaker 22: whole shot and and the uh uh and anybody who

2375
02:28:32,120 --> 02:28:34,600
Speaker 22: was who was funding him. They didn't understand what he

2376
02:28:34,680 --> 02:28:39,040
Speaker 22: had to go through. But he humanized black people, and

2377
02:28:39,640 --> 02:28:43,480
Speaker 22: he was uh uh and and he was born in Harlem.

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02:28:43,959 --> 02:28:44,039
Speaker 13: Uh.

2379
02:28:44,160 --> 02:28:46,200
Speaker 22: But but the fact of the matter is is that

2380
02:28:47,120 --> 02:28:50,520
Speaker 22: he's a real champion. And what happened is is that

2381
02:28:51,520 --> 02:28:57,480
Speaker 22: Margot Speciale, who was his granddaughter, uh decided he wanted

2382
02:28:57,520 --> 02:29:01,680
Speaker 22: to do a documentary and uh uh and she got

2383
02:29:01,879 --> 02:29:08,840
Speaker 22: with uh with uh with my partner, and he he

2384
02:29:09,080 --> 02:29:13,280
Speaker 22: actually wanted to do it. He wanted to do it

2385
02:29:13,400 --> 02:29:17,280
Speaker 22: from a black perspective. So he called me and he said,

2386
02:29:17,440 --> 02:29:20,400
Speaker 22: kag what do you think about us doing this? And

2387
02:29:21,520 --> 02:29:24,720
Speaker 22: and I said, oh my gosh, uh, this would be great,

2388
02:29:24,920 --> 02:29:28,440
Speaker 22: especially if we could do it from the perspective that uh.

2389
02:29:28,640 --> 02:29:34,080
Speaker 22: I that I see because as a child, I could

2390
02:29:34,320 --> 02:29:40,440
Speaker 22: only see black people on TV in a kind of

2391
02:29:40,480 --> 02:29:43,440
Speaker 22: a subservient road. Yes, their boss or a maids or

2392
02:29:43,520 --> 02:29:46,080
Speaker 22: butler's and all this. But when I was able to

2393
02:29:46,120 --> 02:29:50,640
Speaker 22: watch the Ed Sullivan Show on Sunday Night, you could

2394
02:29:50,959 --> 02:29:55,080
Speaker 22: see people that were that looked like us. Everybody from

2395
02:29:56,320 --> 02:29:59,920
Speaker 22: the Jackson Five to Dinah Ross to the Temptations that

2396
02:30:00,160 --> 02:30:05,000
Speaker 22: even before that, Nat King Cole and Louis Armstrong and

2397
02:30:05,120 --> 02:30:09,800
Speaker 22: Lena Horn and all of these people. Everybody wanted us

2398
02:30:09,879 --> 02:30:13,280
Speaker 22: to do it from the perspective that everybody knows, which

2399
02:30:13,320 --> 02:30:17,160
Speaker 22: is the Beatles, Albs and the Rolling Stones. But that's

2400
02:30:17,320 --> 02:30:20,280
Speaker 22: not what it meant to me. And so we went

2401
02:30:20,400 --> 02:30:24,600
Speaker 22: against the grain and we did it from a black perspective.

2402
02:30:25,080 --> 02:30:25,960
Speaker 4: And it is it.

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02:30:26,400 --> 02:30:30,880
Speaker 22: It's killing it on Netflix and it's called Sunday Best

2404
02:30:31,040 --> 02:30:35,040
Speaker 22: and every black person needs to see it, and more

2405
02:30:35,120 --> 02:30:37,800
Speaker 22: than that, they need to let their children see it

2406
02:30:38,520 --> 02:30:42,800
Speaker 22: so that the children can understand the history of what

2407
02:30:43,040 --> 02:30:46,400
Speaker 22: we had to go through to even be on TV.

2408
02:30:48,080 --> 02:30:50,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I just learned that Ed Sullivan was born

2409
02:30:50,560 --> 02:30:55,280
Speaker 1: in Harlem. Wow, Yeah, that's that's news. But Carrie, let

2410
02:30:55,320 --> 02:30:57,840
Speaker 1: me ask yourself, why did Ed do it, though not

2411
02:30:57,959 --> 02:30:59,960
Speaker 1: because she was born in Harlem. You know George Bush's

2412
02:31:00,080 --> 02:31:02,760
Speaker 1: on Compton. He has done anything for Compton. You know

2413
02:31:04,120 --> 02:31:06,520
Speaker 1: Ed Sulivan born in Harlem. Was that the reason why

2414
02:31:06,600 --> 02:31:09,160
Speaker 1: he wanted to do this, why he put black artists

2415
02:31:09,360 --> 02:31:12,160
Speaker 1: on the screen on the show, Well.

2416
02:31:12,160 --> 02:31:18,120
Speaker 22: Well, partly because he was he was an Irish immigrant

2417
02:31:18,640 --> 02:31:22,560
Speaker 22: and when the Irish came in, they were looked at

2418
02:31:23,160 --> 02:31:28,960
Speaker 22: as the underdogs, and they were portrayed as drunkards and

2419
02:31:29,240 --> 02:31:31,880
Speaker 22: stupid and all of this kind of stuff. And Ed

2420
02:31:32,040 --> 02:31:37,039
Speaker 22: Sullivan's father was always against any type of racial prejudice.

2421
02:31:37,360 --> 02:31:40,959
Speaker 22: He instilled that into his children. And by the time

2422
02:31:41,440 --> 02:31:46,360
Speaker 22: Ed got to the point of where he had enough power,

2423
02:31:46,800 --> 02:31:50,000
Speaker 22: he was like, wait a minute, I'm putting people on

2424
02:31:50,200 --> 02:31:52,680
Speaker 22: the show that I want on the show, and I'm

2425
02:31:52,760 --> 02:31:56,600
Speaker 22: putting the most talented people on the show. And I

2426
02:31:56,680 --> 02:31:59,520
Speaker 22: don't care if they're black, if they're white, if they're Mexican.

2427
02:32:00,080 --> 02:32:04,560
Speaker 22: What happens that black folks, especially from that whole vaudeville era,

2428
02:32:04,920 --> 02:32:07,920
Speaker 22: they were they were the most talented. So that's why

2429
02:32:08,000 --> 02:32:10,840
Speaker 22: there were a plethora of black people on the show.

2430
02:32:10,920 --> 02:32:16,039
Speaker 22: But more than that, he humanized them. He humanized us

2431
02:32:16,600 --> 02:32:20,560
Speaker 22: to the whole spouse and to the whole people that

2432
02:32:20,840 --> 02:32:26,199
Speaker 22: thought that literally black people had tells. They really thought

2433
02:32:26,280 --> 02:32:29,119
Speaker 22: that black people were dangerous to society.

2434
02:32:29,560 --> 02:32:29,840
Speaker 15: It was.

2435
02:32:30,040 --> 02:32:35,160
Speaker 22: It was horrible, Uh, the way that they that people

2436
02:32:35,240 --> 02:32:37,760
Speaker 22: looked at these quote unquote x flames.

2437
02:32:38,080 --> 02:32:38,240
Speaker 15: Right.

2438
02:32:38,840 --> 02:32:45,440
Speaker 22: So to that end, he didn't care about anything that

2439
02:32:45,680 --> 02:32:48,320
Speaker 22: had injustice associated with it.

2440
02:32:49,480 --> 02:32:51,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, A twelve out of the top. Now family, just

2441
02:32:51,360 --> 02:32:53,320
Speaker 1: checking in carry Gordy's I guess he's the son of

2442
02:32:53,400 --> 02:32:56,080
Speaker 1: Barry Gordy, runner to Motown as well. Right now, it's

2443
02:32:56,120 --> 02:32:58,680
Speaker 1: challenged about this project that he's working put together Sunday

2444
02:32:58,760 --> 02:33:02,440
Speaker 1: Bests on Netflix, Carrie. Did he get any pushback though?

2445
02:33:03,000 --> 02:33:06,080
Speaker 1: You know, especially back then these TV stations in the South,

2446
02:33:06,080 --> 02:33:08,480
Speaker 1: would they allow all these black artists to be on

2447
02:33:08,600 --> 02:33:10,440
Speaker 1: Sunday night on their TV on Sunday Night.

2448
02:33:11,680 --> 02:33:14,800
Speaker 22: No, that's the whole point. You guys have to watch it.

2449
02:33:14,920 --> 02:33:18,600
Speaker 22: Of course he got pushed back, I mean, sponsors left him.

2450
02:33:18,760 --> 02:33:21,640
Speaker 22: It was it was, it was horrible, but he didn't care.

2451
02:33:22,400 --> 02:33:26,400
Speaker 22: And another thing is he had the biggest audience in

2452
02:33:26,520 --> 02:33:29,440
Speaker 22: the world. He was between thirty and fifty million people

2453
02:33:29,920 --> 02:33:34,240
Speaker 22: every Sunday night. So the fact is is that because

2454
02:33:34,280 --> 02:33:37,440
Speaker 22: he had the numbers, and because people did not turn

2455
02:33:37,520 --> 02:33:40,560
Speaker 22: off the TV sets when black folks came on, because

2456
02:33:40,600 --> 02:33:43,200
Speaker 22: that was the threat that if you put black people

2457
02:33:43,280 --> 02:33:45,120
Speaker 22: on that people were going to turn off the set.

2458
02:33:45,520 --> 02:33:48,960
Speaker 22: But in the privacy of their own homes, they knew

2459
02:33:49,400 --> 02:33:52,800
Speaker 22: that the talent was better and so they loved seeing

2460
02:33:53,000 --> 02:33:57,240
Speaker 22: Sammy Davis Junior and Michael Jackson and the Jackson Five. Yes,

2461
02:33:58,240 --> 02:34:00,920
Speaker 22: so yeah, he got he got your in this pushback,

2462
02:34:01,160 --> 02:34:05,080
Speaker 22: but it didn't it didn't. It didn't matter to him,

2463
02:34:05,480 --> 02:34:09,000
Speaker 22: and he did lose a lot of sponsors, but he

2464
02:34:09,080 --> 02:34:09,680
Speaker 22: didn't care.

2465
02:34:10,959 --> 02:34:14,400
Speaker 1: So so so so carry who was on? Who did

2466
02:34:14,480 --> 02:34:16,320
Speaker 1: we have on? Cause I mean back in those days,

2467
02:34:16,320 --> 02:34:18,840
Speaker 1: when a black brush is on TV, would all rush

2468
02:34:18,920 --> 02:34:22,160
Speaker 1: home to see, you know, regardless of what the role

2469
02:34:22,240 --> 02:34:24,480
Speaker 1: they're playing. Who was do you remember? Can you recall

2470
02:34:24,520 --> 02:34:27,160
Speaker 1: it was on TV back then? Yeah?

2471
02:34:27,280 --> 02:34:29,680
Speaker 22: Well, okay, first of all, when he did it, he

2472
02:34:29,879 --> 02:34:32,920
Speaker 22: was the first. So there were no blacks on TV,

2473
02:34:33,440 --> 02:34:37,800
Speaker 22: Ziro if unless it was a part playing a maid

2474
02:34:38,120 --> 02:34:42,760
Speaker 22: in something or butler. But other than that, there was

2475
02:34:42,959 --> 02:34:46,400
Speaker 22: no There were no blacks on TV. Blacks didn't really

2476
02:34:46,520 --> 02:34:49,680
Speaker 22: come into TV. There was a nat keen Coe show

2477
02:34:49,720 --> 02:34:54,680
Speaker 22: that came and went quickly. Uh, And then you had

2478
02:34:54,760 --> 02:34:57,360
Speaker 22: Bill Cosby and I Spy. I don't know if you

2479
02:34:57,440 --> 02:34:59,840
Speaker 22: guys remember that, but there was a there was a

2480
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:04,680
Speaker 22: television show called I Spy and then we had Morris.

2481
02:35:05,080 --> 02:35:08,600
Speaker 22: Greg Morris was the black admission impossible if you guys,

2482
02:35:08,800 --> 02:35:11,680
Speaker 22: if you guys remember that, And then after that it

2483
02:35:11,760 --> 02:35:15,400
Speaker 22: seemed like there was Julia. But this is this is

2484
02:35:15,760 --> 02:35:19,040
Speaker 22: this is way later, this is way later. This is

2485
02:35:19,480 --> 02:35:24,480
Speaker 22: literally twenty years later. That long. It took that long

2486
02:35:24,600 --> 02:35:28,520
Speaker 22: for Julia to get on and and our black kids

2487
02:35:28,640 --> 02:35:34,320
Speaker 22: have no clue that literally there were no black people

2488
02:35:34,480 --> 02:35:38,680
Speaker 22: on TV. And you're right, we as black people when

2489
02:35:38,760 --> 02:35:41,400
Speaker 22: we knew that Ed Sullivan was coming on and maybe

2490
02:35:41,440 --> 02:35:45,720
Speaker 22: you got a chance to see, you know, any of

2491
02:35:45,800 --> 02:35:49,119
Speaker 22: our stars, whether it was Diana Ross or Tim Pages

2492
02:35:50,000 --> 02:35:53,360
Speaker 22: for a top, you know, all of those people, you

2493
02:35:53,760 --> 02:35:56,760
Speaker 22: rushed home to see that. And if you didn't have

2494
02:35:56,879 --> 02:36:00,320
Speaker 22: a TV, you rushed to a friend's house who did

2495
02:36:00,440 --> 02:36:03,320
Speaker 22: have a TV. A lot of people would have in

2496
02:36:03,560 --> 02:36:07,879
Speaker 22: fifteen people over their house when you know when Sammy

2497
02:36:08,000 --> 02:36:12,360
Speaker 22: Davis Junior was on right, Yeah, and the next day in.

2498
02:36:12,360 --> 02:36:14,440
Speaker 1: School, this is that was a topic because I remember

2499
02:36:14,600 --> 02:36:16,840
Speaker 1: the time where the Supremes and the Temps are on together.

2500
02:36:17,320 --> 02:36:19,520
Speaker 1: And that was all we talked about the next day,

2501
02:36:19,640 --> 02:36:22,600
Speaker 1: because it seems like everybody watched. Like you said, everybody

2502
02:36:22,680 --> 02:36:24,400
Speaker 1: knew who was going to be on Ed Sullivan the

2503
02:36:24,640 --> 02:36:27,000
Speaker 1: next day at school. This is what we talked about. Listen,

2504
02:36:27,040 --> 02:36:29,320
Speaker 1: we gotta take a quick break here, and Jay's calling

2505
02:36:29,360 --> 02:36:31,080
Speaker 1: from the Motor City has a question for you. I

2506
02:36:31,120 --> 02:36:33,920
Speaker 1: think it's about Motown. Family. You got a question about Motown,

2507
02:36:33,959 --> 02:36:35,760
Speaker 1: about their artists. This is a man who needs to

2508
02:36:35,800 --> 02:36:38,080
Speaker 1: talk to Carry Gordy's at Barry Gordy's son, and you

2509
02:36:38,120 --> 02:36:40,200
Speaker 1: can reach him at eight hundred four to five zero

2510
02:36:40,640 --> 02:36:43,000
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six, and we'll take your phone calls

2511
02:36:43,160 --> 02:36:45,959
Speaker 1: next and Grand Rising family, thanks to staying with us

2512
02:36:46,000 --> 02:36:48,400
Speaker 1: on this Tuesday morning here on the third day of

2513
02:36:48,800 --> 02:36:52,680
Speaker 1: the third day of March, twenty minutes off the top day.

2514
02:36:52,680 --> 02:36:55,080
Speaker 1: I would carry Gordy, this son of Barry Gordy. He's

2515
02:36:55,120 --> 02:36:57,600
Speaker 1: gonna get some stories about growing up in Hittsville. But

2516
02:36:58,200 --> 02:36:59,720
Speaker 1: let me just read this tweet I got for you.

2517
02:37:00,080 --> 02:37:02,760
Speaker 1: Carry the tweeter, says mister Gordy. Thank you for coming

2518
02:37:02,840 --> 02:37:06,080
Speaker 1: back on we watch Sunday best and shared with our friends.

2519
02:37:06,440 --> 02:37:09,600
Speaker 1: You've connected the dots to some important history. That's one

2520
02:37:09,600 --> 02:37:11,320
Speaker 1: of our listeners was tweeted that for you.

2521
02:37:13,000 --> 02:37:17,200
Speaker 22: Oh that's that's that's so nice. I really appreciate when

2522
02:37:17,240 --> 02:37:21,240
Speaker 22: people actually get a chance to watch it because we

2523
02:37:21,400 --> 02:37:25,000
Speaker 22: made it in a way, me and Sasha Jenkins. Sasha

2524
02:37:25,160 --> 02:37:29,840
Speaker 22: Jenkins uh is the director who who was my partner,

2525
02:37:29,920 --> 02:37:35,560
Speaker 22: and we did three we did three three uh documentaries together.

2526
02:37:35,640 --> 02:37:38,560
Speaker 22: We did this one, the Rick James and the Rick

2527
02:37:38,640 --> 02:37:43,320
Speaker 22: James dot and the Biz Marquis doc And so when

2528
02:37:43,360 --> 02:37:47,680
Speaker 22: he called me on this I it was it was

2529
02:37:48,400 --> 02:37:52,680
Speaker 22: it was really truly a no brainer. And it was

2530
02:37:52,800 --> 02:37:59,560
Speaker 22: really interesting because Margot Speciale uh ed Sullivan's granddaughter the

2531
02:37:59,760 --> 02:38:03,960
Speaker 22: reason that she was excited about doing it from a

2532
02:38:04,080 --> 02:38:07,760
Speaker 22: black perspective, and she just happened to be someplace with

2533
02:38:08,800 --> 02:38:13,959
Speaker 22: Malcolm X's daughter uh and and Malcolm X's daughter told

2534
02:38:14,080 --> 02:38:21,359
Speaker 22: her how it was so important for them on Sunday

2535
02:38:21,480 --> 02:38:26,240
Speaker 22: nights to be able to see the Ed Sullivan Show

2536
02:38:26,440 --> 02:38:30,000
Speaker 22: and that he was a celebrity in their household, and

2537
02:38:30,240 --> 02:38:35,400
Speaker 22: she couldn't believe that Malcolm Ex's daughter actually looked up

2538
02:38:35,480 --> 02:38:41,560
Speaker 22: to her father. So UH, thank thank the caller for

2539
02:38:42,160 --> 02:38:44,880
Speaker 22: for calling in because I do think it's something that

2540
02:38:45,120 --> 02:38:48,199
Speaker 22: every black person needs to see and I have gotten

2541
02:38:48,680 --> 02:38:55,120
Speaker 22: zero pushback, uh negative, nothing, because we did it from

2542
02:38:55,160 --> 02:38:58,560
Speaker 22: the perspective that it needed to be done, from a perspective.

2543
02:38:58,120 --> 02:38:58,800
Speaker 11: That no one knew.

2544
02:38:59,760 --> 02:39:02,480
Speaker 1: Right twenty two at the top, Jay, as I mentioned,

2545
02:39:02,560 --> 02:39:05,040
Speaker 1: is calling from Detroity's online one. That's a question for

2546
02:39:05,120 --> 02:39:07,840
Speaker 1: you carry Grand Rising, Jay, I'm with Kerry Gordy.

2547
02:39:08,560 --> 02:39:12,120
Speaker 10: H Grand Rising, Carol and Grand Rise until your guests

2548
02:39:12,640 --> 02:39:16,320
Speaker 10: want to pay homage to your dad and your mother.

2549
02:39:16,640 --> 02:39:18,800
Speaker 10: You know, most people don't know that your mother was

2550
02:39:18,959 --> 02:39:26,080
Speaker 10: instrumental and uh integral and getting Motown started and becoming

2551
02:39:26,200 --> 02:39:31,520
Speaker 10: what it did, and growing up about a few blocks

2552
02:39:31,560 --> 02:39:35,720
Speaker 10: away from Hittsville and just inundated. You know, music was

2553
02:39:35,800 --> 02:39:39,280
Speaker 10: such an integral part of our lives. And you know,

2554
02:39:39,360 --> 02:39:42,840
Speaker 10: I could talk forever about the influence of Motown, you

2555
02:39:42,920 --> 02:39:45,800
Speaker 10: know with people that grew up with that. You know,

2556
02:39:45,920 --> 02:39:49,440
Speaker 10: the greatest concerts I ever saw was the Motortown Review.

2557
02:39:49,480 --> 02:39:52,560
Speaker 10: And I've seen concerts all over the world, but my

2558
02:39:52,760 --> 02:39:57,520
Speaker 10: question was rerelated to the influence. I mean, I saw

2559
02:39:57,640 --> 02:40:02,200
Speaker 10: your special was great. It brought back great memories. I

2560
02:40:02,280 --> 02:40:06,040
Speaker 10: can remember watching all those shows, like Carl said that

2561
02:40:06,040 --> 02:40:09,560
Speaker 10: the neighborhood in the city was abuzz because you know,

2562
02:40:09,800 --> 02:40:12,080
Speaker 10: Edzelli was gonna come on on Sunday nights and we

2563
02:40:12,200 --> 02:40:19,480
Speaker 10: were anticipating watching our great artists, you know, being televised worldwide. Really,

2564
02:40:19,600 --> 02:40:22,120
Speaker 10: you know, so you know, to see my heroes, the

2565
02:40:22,440 --> 02:40:26,120
Speaker 10: Temps and the Supremes and Four Tips like you mentioned,

2566
02:40:26,320 --> 02:40:29,320
Speaker 10: and so many of the other groups. It's just amazing

2567
02:40:29,520 --> 02:40:33,480
Speaker 10: and your documentary was amazing. But my question would be

2568
02:40:33,560 --> 02:40:37,400
Speaker 10: related to could you talk about the influence of the

2569
02:40:37,560 --> 02:40:40,920
Speaker 10: black radio stations and you know, we had some legendary

2570
02:40:41,840 --> 02:40:44,879
Speaker 10: disc jockeys in Detroit. You know, I think of uh,

2571
02:40:45,680 --> 02:40:52,320
Speaker 10: Martha Jean, the Queen Steinberg and Butterball Junior. But that's

2572
02:40:52,480 --> 02:40:55,640
Speaker 10: right to pray and go away, you know, I could

2573
02:40:55,920 --> 02:40:57,400
Speaker 10: I could go over there, you know. And then I

2574
02:40:58,480 --> 02:41:01,320
Speaker 10: in conjunction with that, as I talk about the black

2575
02:41:01,480 --> 02:41:05,720
Speaker 10: radio stations, I want to give homage to the black

2576
02:41:05,840 --> 02:41:09,880
Speaker 10: record shops. You know, White's Records, which was not too

2577
02:41:09,959 --> 02:41:14,600
Speaker 10: far away from Hittsville, and uh, you know Donny Simpson's family,

2578
02:41:14,720 --> 02:41:16,720
Speaker 10: you know Simpson's Records, and you know, we had these

2579
02:41:16,800 --> 02:41:20,840
Speaker 10: local records, first albums and first forty fives ever bought

2580
02:41:21,680 --> 02:41:24,680
Speaker 10: was from our little local barbershop. You know, JJ Barnes

2581
02:41:24,800 --> 02:41:27,959
Speaker 10: lived on the same street as I did. Eddie Willis

2582
02:41:28,280 --> 02:41:31,400
Speaker 10: was a block away, so you know, so you know,

2583
02:41:31,959 --> 02:41:34,680
Speaker 10: you know, I know what I'm talking about when.

2584
02:41:34,520 --> 02:41:38,800
Speaker 22: I talk about most of us. Go ahead, brother, hey Ja,

2585
02:41:39,240 --> 02:41:41,840
Speaker 22: First of all, Carl to me a favor after this.

2586
02:41:42,320 --> 02:41:45,440
Speaker 22: I know this is this is unusual. But after this conversation,

2587
02:41:46,600 --> 02:41:49,760
Speaker 22: I'd like you to get Jack give Jay my number

2588
02:41:50,320 --> 02:41:52,160
Speaker 22: because I want to speak to him because he said

2589
02:41:52,200 --> 02:41:53,360
Speaker 22: something that touched my heart.

2590
02:41:53,879 --> 02:41:54,000
Speaker 16: Uh.

2591
02:41:54,800 --> 02:41:57,680
Speaker 22: He was talking about my mother, Uh in the in

2592
02:41:58,040 --> 02:42:00,880
Speaker 22: the beginning. And the fact act of the matter is

2593
02:42:01,000 --> 02:42:04,800
Speaker 22: is that yet she was very instrumental in the beginning

2594
02:42:04,840 --> 02:42:11,000
Speaker 22: of Muta before Motown began, because she was she was

2595
02:42:11,040 --> 02:42:14,840
Speaker 22: a child prodigy and she played thirteen she played eleven instruments,

2596
02:42:15,400 --> 02:42:20,920
Speaker 22: and she did all of the arranging for all of

2597
02:42:21,040 --> 02:42:24,240
Speaker 22: the songs in the beginning. She had a group called

2598
02:42:24,280 --> 02:42:27,560
Speaker 22: the Raver Voices, and they did all of the backgrounds

2599
02:42:28,280 --> 02:42:30,400
Speaker 22: all of the songs. So when you hear Marvin Gay,

2600
02:42:31,040 --> 02:42:37,320
Speaker 22: do my mother singing those songs right in the background,

2601
02:42:37,440 --> 02:42:44,480
Speaker 22: and and and right right right exactly, and so and

2602
02:42:44,680 --> 02:42:49,200
Speaker 22: so to that end, Pearl, if you can give Jay

2603
02:42:49,320 --> 02:42:52,760
Speaker 22: my number afterwards, I'd like to continue the conversation because

2604
02:42:53,080 --> 02:42:56,360
Speaker 22: he touched my heart. Now here's the thing with regard

2605
02:42:56,560 --> 02:42:59,800
Speaker 22: to marcu Jean and Queen and all of the this

2606
02:43:00,120 --> 02:43:04,000
Speaker 22: jockeys and all the record stores. The great thing was

2607
02:43:04,320 --> 02:43:10,200
Speaker 22: we were supported by Detroit, so we could we We

2608
02:43:10,400 --> 02:43:14,360
Speaker 22: always almost always had a place with the black owned

2609
02:43:14,920 --> 02:43:18,400
Speaker 22: the black owned stations, and the black DJs. We always

2610
02:43:18,480 --> 02:43:21,359
Speaker 22: had a place to kind of get our stuff started

2611
02:43:21,800 --> 02:43:28,000
Speaker 22: and create hits or regional hits that we could spread

2612
02:43:28,320 --> 02:43:31,440
Speaker 22: all the way around the nation. But the fact of

2613
02:43:31,520 --> 02:43:36,519
Speaker 22: the matter is that those record stores, those uh DJs,

2614
02:43:37,000 --> 02:43:39,880
Speaker 22: and and by the way, back in those days it

2615
02:43:40,040 --> 02:43:45,080
Speaker 22: was before they had the before they had the real

2616
02:43:45,320 --> 02:43:50,280
Speaker 22: program directors and the consultants who were consulting a plethora

2617
02:43:50,360 --> 02:43:53,959
Speaker 22: of stations in the network. Each of these DJs had

2618
02:43:54,000 --> 02:43:59,320
Speaker 22: their own level of power and when they would they

2619
02:43:59,360 --> 02:44:02,520
Speaker 22: would say with they want to say, and a lot

2620
02:44:02,560 --> 02:44:05,080
Speaker 22: of them will play the records that they wanted to play.

2621
02:44:05,600 --> 02:44:09,960
Speaker 22: So to that end, we had an advantage because the

2622
02:44:10,080 --> 02:44:12,520
Speaker 22: people got to play what they wanted to play, as

2623
02:44:12,560 --> 02:44:18,880
Speaker 22: opposed to some consultant overseeing a plethora or network stations

2624
02:44:19,680 --> 02:44:24,600
Speaker 22: programming their channels of the same in every you know,

2625
02:44:24,760 --> 02:44:27,240
Speaker 22: in every city. See, the thing about it is that

2626
02:44:27,440 --> 02:44:32,959
Speaker 22: cities are different and they have their own life and breath.

2627
02:44:33,440 --> 02:44:37,160
Speaker 22: And the fact of the matter is is that the

2628
02:44:37,320 --> 02:44:41,200
Speaker 22: black community was different as well, and it had its

2629
02:44:41,280 --> 02:44:45,440
Speaker 22: own life and breath. And there were consistencies around the

2630
02:44:45,560 --> 02:44:50,440
Speaker 22: country as it related to blacks, and that had never

2631
02:44:50,600 --> 02:44:54,760
Speaker 22: been done before. So the fact of the matter is is, yes,

2632
02:44:55,080 --> 02:44:59,560
Speaker 22: we were totally supported by the urban community and the

2633
02:44:59,640 --> 02:45:03,280
Speaker 22: minor community. So I have to I have to give

2634
02:45:03,320 --> 02:45:05,840
Speaker 22: it to you there they were great. And that by

2635
02:45:05,879 --> 02:45:08,200
Speaker 22: the way, it wasn't just you know, like I said,

2636
02:45:08,240 --> 02:45:10,840
Speaker 22: it wasn't just Detroit. It was Philly, it with Chicago,

2637
02:45:11,040 --> 02:45:13,760
Speaker 22: was New York, I mean it was it was it

2638
02:45:13,879 --> 02:45:19,440
Speaker 22: was every place that had a black urban center, right.

2639
02:45:19,400 --> 02:45:21,320
Speaker 1: And hold that through at there, Jay, stay with us,

2640
02:45:21,520 --> 02:45:23,680
Speaker 1: and I'll get you that number for carry. But carry.

2641
02:45:23,720 --> 02:45:25,840
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you this question growing up in Hitsville,

2642
02:45:26,360 --> 02:45:29,440
Speaker 1: how how did those the anttenners on the label, how

2643
02:45:29,480 --> 02:45:31,760
Speaker 1: did they treat you? You you're the boss's son.

2644
02:45:32,560 --> 02:45:32,680
Speaker 12: Uh?

2645
02:45:32,920 --> 02:45:33,200
Speaker 3: Did they?

2646
02:45:33,360 --> 02:45:33,640
Speaker 1: Did they?

2647
02:45:33,800 --> 02:45:34,000
Speaker 4: You know?

2648
02:45:34,160 --> 02:45:36,200
Speaker 1: And you started in the business. Did did your dad

2649
02:45:36,280 --> 02:45:39,240
Speaker 1: make you started the end or were you a vice

2650
02:45:39,320 --> 02:45:41,680
Speaker 1: president of promotions? Is something you walked to there? How

2651
02:45:41,720 --> 02:45:42,640
Speaker 1: did that work out for you?

2652
02:45:44,680 --> 02:45:51,000
Speaker 22: Okay? First of all, First of all, I I came

2653
02:45:51,080 --> 02:45:53,080
Speaker 22: up through the ranks. I started in the in the

2654
02:45:53,160 --> 02:45:55,480
Speaker 22: mail room, and I was in the mail room for

2655
02:45:55,640 --> 02:46:01,039
Speaker 22: for three years. So I had a chance to, uh

2656
02:46:01,480 --> 02:46:06,000
Speaker 22: to really learn the business by walking through the walking

2657
02:46:06,080 --> 02:46:09,800
Speaker 22: through the company and understanding the ergonomics of the company

2658
02:46:09,920 --> 02:46:13,920
Speaker 22: you and understanding all the divisions. And since I was uh,

2659
02:46:14,360 --> 02:46:20,040
Speaker 22: you know, inquisitive and perseicacious, I walked around and I

2660
02:46:20,240 --> 02:46:22,200
Speaker 22: asked everybody, well, what do you do and how does

2661
02:46:22,240 --> 02:46:24,200
Speaker 22: this work? And blah blah blah. Remember three years in

2662
02:46:24,240 --> 02:46:27,640
Speaker 22: the mailroom, you're going through every division you're starting in.

2663
02:46:28,000 --> 02:46:31,200
Speaker 22: You're starting in creative, and then you go into business affairs,

2664
02:46:31,240 --> 02:46:34,720
Speaker 22: and you go to finance. Then you go to promotion

2665
02:46:35,000 --> 02:46:39,640
Speaker 22: and marketing and artists, development and distribution and sales and

2666
02:46:40,200 --> 02:46:44,840
Speaker 22: and uh and and and legal. Right, and once you

2667
02:46:45,320 --> 02:46:47,560
Speaker 22: go through that and you're asking all these people questions,

2668
02:46:47,600 --> 02:46:49,520
Speaker 22: and you're doing this for three years, and you're really

2669
02:46:49,640 --> 02:46:53,480
Speaker 22: learning the the you know, the flow of how things

2670
02:46:53,640 --> 02:46:57,560
Speaker 22: go and people. Because I was the boss's son. And

2671
02:46:57,640 --> 02:46:59,120
Speaker 22: by the way, I had a lot of brothers, other

2672
02:46:59,200 --> 02:47:02,560
Speaker 22: brothers and sisters. Is they didn't have the same energy

2673
02:47:02,680 --> 02:47:05,760
Speaker 22: that I did. Uh as it related to that. Uh,

2674
02:47:06,800 --> 02:47:12,039
Speaker 22: I learned the whole business uh uh uh just going around.

2675
02:47:12,120 --> 02:47:15,480
Speaker 22: And then after the three years I got, I got,

2676
02:47:16,480 --> 02:47:17,880
Speaker 22: I got a record deal.

2677
02:47:18,240 --> 02:47:18,360
Speaker 12: Uh.

2678
02:47:18,600 --> 02:47:21,520
Speaker 22: It was a group called Apollo, and we became teen

2679
02:47:21,600 --> 02:47:24,600
Speaker 22: idols for a year or so, uh for two for

2680
02:47:24,840 --> 02:47:27,800
Speaker 22: for two, two or three years, and we traveled all

2681
02:47:27,840 --> 02:47:30,880
Speaker 22: over the uh all over the world doing shows and everything.

2682
02:47:31,320 --> 02:47:34,160
Speaker 22: And and in my group, uh it was Tina Marie

2683
02:47:34,600 --> 02:47:38,480
Speaker 22: and Benny Medina were in the group. Uh and uh

2684
02:47:38,600 --> 02:47:42,560
Speaker 22: and of course Tina was amazing and uh and that

2685
02:47:42,800 --> 02:47:45,200
Speaker 22: was before she before she went solo and got with

2686
02:47:45,360 --> 02:47:49,640
Speaker 22: Rick James. But anyway, uh so we had the group.

2687
02:47:49,720 --> 02:47:52,200
Speaker 22: And then after the group, I became an A and

2688
02:47:52,360 --> 02:47:54,440
Speaker 22: R person And I did that for three or four

2689
02:47:54,560 --> 02:47:55,880
Speaker 22: years or maybe more.

2690
02:47:56,440 --> 02:47:56,560
Speaker 15: Uh.

2691
02:47:56,920 --> 02:48:01,080
Speaker 22: And we we uh Benny medeena and I we signed uh.

2692
02:48:01,160 --> 02:48:04,920
Speaker 22: I mean we we worked on people like Rick James

2693
02:48:05,000 --> 02:48:07,840
Speaker 22: and the Mary Jane girls and the Bars and Dennis

2694
02:48:08,080 --> 02:48:12,000
Speaker 22: Edwards and uh all of those folks, right, and we

2695
02:48:12,120 --> 02:48:15,040
Speaker 22: had a string of hits, this A and R guy

2696
02:48:15,879 --> 02:48:16,720
Speaker 22: and then.

2697
02:48:16,720 --> 02:48:17,520
Speaker 18: Uh I uh.

2698
02:48:18,720 --> 02:48:18,840
Speaker 4: Uh.

2699
02:48:19,040 --> 02:48:23,840
Speaker 22: I went through every different division, whether even even business affairs.

2700
02:48:23,879 --> 02:48:26,240
Speaker 22: I did business affairs for a little for a little

2701
02:48:26,280 --> 02:48:30,440
Speaker 22: while where we were signing groups, uh from a business perspective.

2702
02:48:30,560 --> 02:48:33,199
Speaker 22: And then we did promotion. And I did a little

2703
02:48:33,240 --> 02:48:37,440
Speaker 22: bit of promotion in marketing with Miller London, who is

2704
02:48:37,520 --> 02:48:40,840
Speaker 22: still uh, still kicking and and he's and he lives

2705
02:48:40,879 --> 02:48:46,720
Speaker 22: in Detroit and still to this day. And and then

2706
02:48:46,840 --> 02:48:49,240
Speaker 22: we did uh we did some selves, a little bit

2707
02:48:49,280 --> 02:48:54,400
Speaker 22: of distribution, a lot of artists developments and and uh.

2708
02:48:54,560 --> 02:48:58,480
Speaker 22: But the thing I realized is it didn't nothing matters

2709
02:48:58,800 --> 02:49:02,000
Speaker 22: if you don't know how to collect your money. So

2710
02:49:02,560 --> 02:49:04,320
Speaker 22: the fact of the matter is you can have hits,

2711
02:49:04,440 --> 02:49:07,400
Speaker 22: but the distributors may not pay you on time, or

2712
02:49:07,480 --> 02:49:09,119
Speaker 22: may not pay you at all if they if they're

2713
02:49:09,200 --> 02:49:13,160
Speaker 22: having problems. So you have to know how to make

2714
02:49:13,200 --> 02:49:16,400
Speaker 22: sure that you collect your money. But anyway, after that,

2715
02:49:16,600 --> 02:49:19,560
Speaker 22: I went on to run Prince's company. I ran Paisley

2716
02:49:19,680 --> 02:49:24,600
Speaker 22: Park for five years, which was great. We had nine

2717
02:49:24,680 --> 02:49:28,400
Speaker 22: platinum out I had nine platinum albums when I was

2718
02:49:28,480 --> 02:49:31,760
Speaker 22: with them, which was which was great. And then recently

2719
02:49:31,800 --> 02:49:34,360
Speaker 22: I've become the Robin Hood of the music side of

2720
02:49:34,400 --> 02:49:37,960
Speaker 22: the entertainment business where I terminate contracts for people who

2721
02:49:38,040 --> 02:49:41,000
Speaker 22: assigned their rights over early in their careers, before they

2722
02:49:41,040 --> 02:49:43,400
Speaker 22: had the leverage to make the best deals for themselves.

2723
02:49:43,680 --> 02:49:45,959
Speaker 22: I use that leverage to either get them a better

2724
02:49:46,080 --> 02:49:50,800
Speaker 22: deal or to recapture their copyrights for them. So that's me,

2725
02:49:51,760 --> 02:49:52,080
Speaker 22: that's you.

2726
02:49:52,440 --> 02:49:54,760
Speaker 1: That's a fascinating career. We've got a bunch of folks

2727
02:49:54,760 --> 02:49:57,320
Speaker 1: want to talk to you. Carry so a family can

2728
02:49:57,400 --> 02:49:59,600
Speaker 1: showed up on the answers to questions. I appreciate it.

2729
02:49:59,680 --> 02:50:02,720
Speaker 1: Let's go Lawrence in DC's Online to launch a question

2730
02:50:02,800 --> 02:50:03,520
Speaker 1: for Kerry Gordy.

2731
02:50:05,600 --> 02:50:10,600
Speaker 6: Grand Rising, gentlemen, I have a question about, uh, the

2732
02:50:12,680 --> 02:50:18,400
Speaker 6: the the monsters in Detroit or the gangsters. Uh they

2733
02:50:18,480 --> 02:50:21,800
Speaker 6: seem to be around. I mean, I don't know specifically

2734
02:50:21,879 --> 02:50:24,520
Speaker 6: about Detroit, but I know I heard about Las Vegas

2735
02:50:24,600 --> 02:50:28,000
Speaker 6: and places like that, and I just wonder how did

2736
02:50:28,080 --> 02:50:31,560
Speaker 6: Motown or did Motown ever have to pay protection?

2737
02:50:32,800 --> 02:50:34,160
Speaker 1: Uh too?

2738
02:50:34,920 --> 02:50:37,160
Speaker 6: Because they were making a lot of money, and you

2739
02:50:37,160 --> 02:50:40,240
Speaker 6: would think that at some point that the mobsters or

2740
02:50:40,320 --> 02:50:44,880
Speaker 6: gangsters would approach the Gordy and make him pay some

2741
02:50:45,120 --> 02:50:48,480
Speaker 6: type of protection so he so so they wouldn't bother

2742
02:50:48,640 --> 02:50:51,280
Speaker 6: the company. Do you know anything about that. I can

2743
02:50:51,440 --> 02:50:52,800
Speaker 6: understand if you don't want to talk.

2744
02:50:52,680 --> 02:50:58,120
Speaker 22: About it, all right, No, I thought about what happens

2745
02:50:58,240 --> 02:51:01,280
Speaker 22: is is that Okay, this is this is a very

2746
02:51:01,400 --> 02:51:05,520
Speaker 22: interesting concept. When my father set up the company, he

2747
02:51:05,840 --> 02:51:11,160
Speaker 22: was very cognizant that that he was going to be uh,

2748
02:51:11,520 --> 02:51:12,800
Speaker 22: that he was going to be a target.

2749
02:51:13,360 --> 02:51:13,480
Speaker 15: Uh.

2750
02:51:13,680 --> 02:51:18,720
Speaker 22: So therefore he did things in the beginning, like, for instance,

2751
02:51:18,760 --> 02:51:21,720
Speaker 22: he would put white people on the cover of an

2752
02:51:21,800 --> 02:51:24,200
Speaker 22: Izy Brothers album, you know, because he wanted to get

2753
02:51:24,240 --> 02:51:28,000
Speaker 22: his records racked in the stores and in the thousand stuff,

2754
02:51:28,040 --> 02:51:31,480
Speaker 22: and he knew that he couldn't do that unless he

2755
02:51:31,560 --> 02:51:33,880
Speaker 22: couldn't do that putting black faces on his cover. So

2756
02:51:34,000 --> 02:51:38,640
Speaker 22: he would put cartoon characters and white folks playing you know,

2757
02:51:39,120 --> 02:51:42,000
Speaker 22: beak ball at the at the beach, you know, on

2758
02:51:42,080 --> 02:51:45,080
Speaker 22: the Ivy Brothers cover and stuff like that. But also

2759
02:51:45,400 --> 02:51:50,080
Speaker 22: he also knew that he had to have white executives

2760
02:51:50,680 --> 02:51:55,080
Speaker 22: that were meeting with people that were meeting with all

2761
02:51:55,160 --> 02:51:58,200
Speaker 22: of these people in order to get his products. Though,

2762
02:51:58,680 --> 02:52:05,360
Speaker 22: so he consciously decided to hire a Jewish uh uh.

2763
02:52:06,160 --> 02:52:12,440
Speaker 22: Jewish people uh for his accountants and his lawyers, and

2764
02:52:12,760 --> 02:52:20,880
Speaker 22: Italian people for his for his uh sales and marketing executives,

2765
02:52:21,120 --> 02:52:23,280
Speaker 22: people that would go out on the street, and he

2766
02:52:23,520 --> 02:52:27,360
Speaker 22: took a back seat to those people. To the point

2767
02:52:27,800 --> 02:52:31,480
Speaker 22: of where even his president, Barney Alis was was was

2768
02:52:31,560 --> 02:52:39,040
Speaker 22: Italian uh where people actually thought that Motown was mobbed up,

2769
02:52:39,440 --> 02:52:44,920
Speaker 22: and they thought that Motown was uh was somebody that

2770
02:52:45,080 --> 02:52:47,480
Speaker 22: you didn't want to mess with, because everybody that came

2771
02:52:47,600 --> 02:52:51,879
Speaker 22: to their town to sell whatever it was was usually

2772
02:52:52,240 --> 02:52:59,080
Speaker 22: a uh uh an Italian. So to that end, of course,

2773
02:52:59,160 --> 02:53:03,000
Speaker 22: he had to make deals with, you know, different owners

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02:53:03,160 --> 02:53:08,560
Speaker 22: of different of different establishments. But what he did is

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02:53:08,720 --> 02:53:11,520
Speaker 22: every time he would make a deal, all he would

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02:53:11,600 --> 02:53:15,120
Speaker 22: do is he would honor whatever the deal was and

2777
02:53:15,320 --> 02:53:21,080
Speaker 22: make sure that that everybody always got paid. So, for instance,

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02:53:21,959 --> 02:53:25,360
Speaker 22: he did one deal with the Supremes where he was

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02:53:27,120 --> 02:53:31,080
Speaker 22: I guess some mobbed up people came to him and said, hey,

2780
02:53:31,160 --> 02:53:35,280
Speaker 22: we want the Supremes, we want the Supremes in our

2781
02:53:35,480 --> 02:53:39,320
Speaker 22: in our establishment, and or my father went to them

2782
02:53:39,360 --> 02:53:42,320
Speaker 22: and said, we want the Supremes in that establishment. They said, okay,

2783
02:53:42,680 --> 02:53:45,400
Speaker 22: we'll give you twenty five hundred dollars for the Supremes.

2784
02:53:45,400 --> 02:53:48,320
Speaker 22: And this was at the beginning of their career, and

2785
02:53:48,879 --> 02:53:52,519
Speaker 22: he said, okay, great. So he gave him the Supremes,

2786
02:53:53,040 --> 02:53:56,560
Speaker 22: and the Supremes, did you know, ended up getting hit

2787
02:53:56,640 --> 02:53:59,720
Speaker 22: and hit hit after hit. But the next year they

2788
02:53:59,800 --> 02:54:05,000
Speaker 22: can came back and they said, when the Supremes were

2789
02:54:05,400 --> 02:54:10,040
Speaker 22: now getting twenty five thousand a show every place else

2790
02:54:11,640 --> 02:54:15,480
Speaker 22: this this venue that was mobbed up, they said, hey, listen,

2791
02:54:16,000 --> 02:54:19,600
Speaker 22: we want we want to get the Supremes back, right.

2792
02:54:20,040 --> 02:54:24,200
Speaker 22: And my father said, okay, cool, And they said, but

2793
02:54:24,760 --> 02:54:26,960
Speaker 22: we want you to give them back to us at

2794
02:54:27,000 --> 02:54:30,119
Speaker 22: the twenty five hundred that you gave it to us before, right,

2795
02:54:30,560 --> 02:54:33,160
Speaker 22: And my father was like, no problem. You gave me

2796
02:54:33,360 --> 02:54:35,959
Speaker 22: the you gave me the opportunity to get in these

2797
02:54:36,040 --> 02:54:40,320
Speaker 22: big venues. Yeah, got it right. So he just went

2798
02:54:40,440 --> 02:54:42,920
Speaker 22: honor the deals. Nobody messed with him.

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02:54:43,280 --> 02:54:46,600
Speaker 1: Nobody messed with him, right, And hold that story right there, Carrie.

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02:54:46,600 --> 02:54:48,080
Speaker 1: You got to take our last break and I'll let

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02:54:48,120 --> 02:54:49,800
Speaker 1: you finish up. And we've still got some more folks.

2802
02:54:49,959 --> 02:54:52,640
Speaker 1: Got questions for you family, got questions for Kerry Gordy

2803
02:54:52,680 --> 02:54:55,879
Speaker 1: growing up in Hissville, USA. We're talking about the Motown records.

2804
02:54:56,080 --> 02:54:58,320
Speaker 1: You can reach us at eight hundred four five zero

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02:54:58,800 --> 02:55:01,680
Speaker 1: seventy eight seven and we'll take your phone calls next

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02:55:01,879 --> 02:55:04,160
Speaker 1: and Grand Rising Family thanks to staying with us on

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02:55:04,280 --> 02:55:06,520
Speaker 1: this third day of March twenty twenty six with our

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02:55:06,560 --> 02:55:09,720
Speaker 1: guest Kerry Gordy, one of Barry Gordy's son, and we're

2809
02:55:09,720 --> 02:55:12,400
Speaker 1: talking about growing up in Hitsville, USA, and also his

2810
02:55:12,600 --> 02:55:15,240
Speaker 1: television project that's out now on Netflix. You can watch it.

2811
02:55:15,320 --> 02:55:18,600
Speaker 1: It's called Sunday Best Ay Ed Sullivan. All those Sunday

2812
02:55:18,640 --> 02:55:20,840
Speaker 1: shows used to watch as a child growing up, they're

2813
02:55:21,000 --> 02:55:24,200
Speaker 1: all compiled in this one movie that Carry and his

2814
02:55:24,480 --> 02:55:26,560
Speaker 1: partner's put together. Carrie is I Mentually. We got a

2815
02:55:26,600 --> 02:55:27,880
Speaker 1: bunch of folks want to talk to you. Let's go

2816
02:55:27,879 --> 02:55:31,119
Speaker 1: to Seattle, Washington. Tony has a question for yours online

2817
02:55:31,240 --> 02:55:34,000
Speaker 1: four Grand Rising. Tony a question for Kerry Gordy.

2818
02:55:34,800 --> 02:55:37,600
Speaker 23: Oh, Grand Rising. I'd like to ask the brother, what

2819
02:55:37,800 --> 02:55:41,760
Speaker 23: is he think about this Michael Jackson movie. This's getting

2820
02:55:41,760 --> 02:55:44,920
Speaker 23: ready to come out? Take him a asshole there?

2821
02:55:47,000 --> 02:55:49,360
Speaker 22: Well, first of all, I haven't seen the movies, so

2822
02:55:49,680 --> 02:55:52,959
Speaker 22: I can't. I can't speak to its content.

2823
02:55:53,920 --> 02:55:54,120
Speaker 4: I do.

2824
02:55:54,720 --> 02:55:58,440
Speaker 22: Michael was my best friend as a child. We were

2825
02:55:58,520 --> 02:56:02,320
Speaker 22: the same age, so we went to elementary school together,

2826
02:56:02,800 --> 02:56:07,720
Speaker 22: so I know him better than I'd say ninety nine

2827
02:56:07,840 --> 02:56:11,280
Speaker 22: percent of the people. So as soon as I get

2828
02:56:11,320 --> 02:56:14,840
Speaker 22: a chance to see the movie, I'll be able to

2829
02:56:15,440 --> 02:56:19,120
Speaker 22: give a, you know, a much better depiction of it.

2830
02:56:19,280 --> 02:56:24,120
Speaker 22: But from what I hear, it's pretty good. I know

2831
02:56:24,320 --> 02:56:28,600
Speaker 22: that his daughter Paris has some kind of issues with it,

2832
02:56:29,680 --> 02:56:33,720
Speaker 22: but I can't really give that too much, too much

2833
02:56:34,240 --> 02:56:40,480
Speaker 22: spread it inasmuch as he wasn't there during the you know,

2834
02:56:40,560 --> 02:56:44,280
Speaker 22: she wasn't born until after he was already the biggest

2835
02:56:44,280 --> 02:56:44,959
Speaker 22: star in the world.

2836
02:56:45,600 --> 02:56:46,720
Speaker 10: So how did.

2837
02:56:48,280 --> 02:56:50,880
Speaker 1: My question for you, Carrie, how did how did because

2838
02:56:50,879 --> 02:56:53,959
Speaker 1: you guys grew up together in the studio and offices

2839
02:56:54,000 --> 02:56:57,280
Speaker 1: around Motown, did it surprise you when he broke out

2840
02:56:57,320 --> 02:56:58,119
Speaker 1: as big as he did.

2841
02:57:00,360 --> 02:57:05,040
Speaker 22: No, it's really interesting. Uh, since I knew him before

2842
02:57:05,600 --> 02:57:10,040
Speaker 22: he had the first hit record. Uh, we were just

2843
02:57:10,360 --> 02:57:14,600
Speaker 22: you know, we were just friends and uh, and he

2844
02:57:14,840 --> 02:57:18,520
Speaker 22: was you know, he was incredibly talented. And the way

2845
02:57:18,680 --> 02:57:22,480
Speaker 22: that Joe the father had it set up, they still

2846
02:57:23,120 --> 02:57:26,920
Speaker 22: for that first few years, they still lived the life

2847
02:57:26,959 --> 02:57:32,520
Speaker 22: of of of of of of normal kids, even though uh,

2848
02:57:33,480 --> 02:57:39,360
Speaker 22: they were these you know, these cultural cultural you know, uh, superstars.

2849
02:57:41,280 --> 02:57:44,199
Speaker 22: I what what's the question, I'm sorry.

2850
02:57:44,000 --> 02:57:47,240
Speaker 1: I I yeah, No, when you guys are growing up

2851
02:57:47,240 --> 02:57:49,840
Speaker 1: because you you grew up with Michael and the rest

2852
02:57:49,879 --> 02:57:52,120
Speaker 1: of the Jackson's, but you were doing things what children

2853
02:57:52,200 --> 02:57:55,960
Speaker 1: were doing. Then he broke out on the international scene,

2854
02:57:56,000 --> 02:57:57,800
Speaker 1: and I was wondering if you were surprised, a mat

2855
02:57:58,000 --> 02:58:00,680
Speaker 1: did you see the talent in him when you children

2856
02:58:00,720 --> 02:58:01,120
Speaker 1: growing up?

2857
02:58:01,680 --> 02:58:05,640
Speaker 22: Okay, you got to remember, Okay, you got to remember.

2858
02:58:06,120 --> 02:58:09,280
Speaker 22: I grew up. I started. I was born the year

2859
02:58:09,320 --> 02:58:13,080
Speaker 22: that Motown started, right, and by the time I was

2860
02:58:13,320 --> 02:58:17,400
Speaker 22: four years old, that's when Motown kind of took off

2861
02:58:17,600 --> 02:58:22,160
Speaker 22: with the Supreme. And so my whole memory of Motown

2862
02:58:22,400 --> 02:58:28,080
Speaker 22: was my mother and father, specifically my father during those times,

2863
02:58:30,400 --> 02:58:35,640
Speaker 22: taking someone in as nothing and them them leaving the

2864
02:58:35,720 --> 02:58:40,879
Speaker 22: biggest stars in the world. So it totally wasn't surprising

2865
02:58:41,040 --> 02:58:48,400
Speaker 22: to me of anybody that my father put his team

2866
02:58:48,600 --> 02:58:53,320
Speaker 22: on and his people on. It didn't surprise me that

2867
02:58:53,640 --> 02:58:56,800
Speaker 22: everybody became the biggest stars in the world, because that

2868
02:58:57,080 --> 02:59:04,119
Speaker 22: was the expectation if he had passion for that specific act.

2869
02:59:04,320 --> 02:59:08,360
Speaker 22: And when he got the jack and five, they were

2870
02:59:09,000 --> 02:59:14,720
Speaker 22: his number one priority, uh, And that's why he assigned

2871
02:59:14,840 --> 02:59:19,520
Speaker 22: Diana Ross to them, uh and had her present their

2872
02:59:19,600 --> 02:59:24,600
Speaker 22: first album as if she as if she discovered them.

2873
02:59:24,680 --> 02:59:30,080
Speaker 22: She did not, but but what she was the like

2874
02:59:30,280 --> 02:59:34,720
Speaker 22: kind of the beacon or yeah, the beacon of Motown.

2875
02:59:35,240 --> 02:59:38,840
Speaker 22: So it was a good pr campaign to put them

2876
02:59:38,959 --> 02:59:42,440
Speaker 22: out there and the and he had his three hundred

2877
02:59:42,480 --> 02:59:48,520
Speaker 22: people that worked for him, all focused on the Jackson five,

2878
02:59:48,720 --> 02:59:52,480
Speaker 22: and he put out this memo that he want he

2879
02:59:52,640 --> 02:59:57,000
Speaker 22: wants only number one records for the Jackson five and

2880
02:59:57,080 --> 02:59:59,240
Speaker 22: if you didn't come in with the number one record,

2881
02:59:59,520 --> 03:00:04,040
Speaker 22: you could be in trouble. So uh, he put together

2882
03:00:04,360 --> 03:00:07,240
Speaker 22: this group of people to write for them. Then he

2883
03:00:07,320 --> 03:00:11,040
Speaker 22: put together the whole you know, artist development thing with

2884
03:00:11,200 --> 03:00:15,600
Speaker 22: Susan de Paz and Tony Jones and uh, putting his putting,

2885
03:00:16,520 --> 03:00:19,520
Speaker 22: you know, their clothing together, getting their teeth sticks, doing

2886
03:00:19,600 --> 03:00:23,320
Speaker 22: whatever they had to do, making sure that they were rehearsed.

2887
03:00:23,400 --> 03:00:28,520
Speaker 22: And so they are probably one of the most rehearsed

2888
03:00:28,640 --> 03:00:35,400
Speaker 22: bands you'd ever see. They were disciplined, Joe was disciplined. Uh,

2889
03:00:35,720 --> 03:00:39,240
Speaker 22: and so it was not a surprise to me at

2890
03:00:39,320 --> 03:00:40,560
Speaker 22: all all.

2891
03:00:40,680 --> 03:00:40,800
Speaker 4: Right.

2892
03:00:40,920 --> 03:00:42,959
Speaker 1: Twelve Away from the Top, I raced calling from New

2893
03:00:43,040 --> 03:00:46,240
Speaker 1: York Cities online five Grand Rising Rage with Kerry Gordy.

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Speaker 17: Good morning, good morning, goodmoning call, Good morning, our Kerry Gordy,

2895
03:00:51,760 --> 03:00:53,720
Speaker 17: I have one question. At first, I want to say

2896
03:00:53,920 --> 03:00:57,240
Speaker 17: I mentioned father thirty years ago when he published.

2897
03:00:56,879 --> 03:00:57,760
Speaker 22: His book To Be Loath.

2898
03:00:58,640 --> 03:00:59,840
Speaker 8: He was here in New York.

2899
03:01:01,400 --> 03:01:03,959
Speaker 17: On a book tour and I came in, I got

2900
03:01:04,040 --> 03:01:07,000
Speaker 17: the book, and I gave him a birthday card, so,

2901
03:01:07,680 --> 03:01:09,600
Speaker 17: you know, because his birthday was that much, I gave

2902
03:01:09,640 --> 03:01:14,240
Speaker 17: him a birthday card because you know, both of birthdays

2903
03:01:14,280 --> 03:01:16,440
Speaker 17: in November, so I gave him.

2904
03:01:16,360 --> 03:01:17,000
Speaker 11: A birthday card.

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03:01:17,840 --> 03:01:19,560
Speaker 17: I just want to know if you can say, If

2906
03:01:19,560 --> 03:01:22,560
Speaker 17: you can't, it's okay. I know he's ninety six years old,

2907
03:01:22,879 --> 03:01:25,400
Speaker 17: so I'm wondering, how's his health doing, How's he doing?

2908
03:01:25,720 --> 03:01:25,880
Speaker 4: You know?

2909
03:01:25,959 --> 03:01:27,720
Speaker 22: It is he okay? Is his health okay?

2910
03:01:27,879 --> 03:01:30,960
Speaker 17: How's how's he doing? Because you know, he hit ninety six,

2911
03:01:31,120 --> 03:01:34,080
Speaker 17: you know, and that's that's really wild. You know, he

2912
03:01:34,240 --> 03:01:37,240
Speaker 17: made it ninety six, So how's his health doing these days?

2913
03:01:37,280 --> 03:01:41,520
Speaker 4: So let you know he's good.

2914
03:01:41,800 --> 03:01:46,840
Speaker 22: He's good. He's still feisty as ever. My relationship with

2915
03:01:46,920 --> 03:01:51,360
Speaker 22: them is amazing, and so it's you know, it's a

2916
03:01:51,480 --> 03:01:54,440
Speaker 22: it's a good thing, you know. I I visited him

2917
03:01:54,800 --> 03:02:00,440
Speaker 22: probably once a month, and he's just you know, he's

2918
03:02:00,560 --> 03:02:07,720
Speaker 22: just chilling, having a good time, really, you know, very

2919
03:02:08,040 --> 03:02:13,279
Speaker 22: you know legacy, I would say more legacy driven than anything.

2920
03:02:13,440 --> 03:02:17,880
Speaker 22: But he's pretty much stop most of his public appearances.

2921
03:02:18,520 --> 03:02:20,560
Speaker 22: I think the last thing that he did, I'm glad

2922
03:02:20,600 --> 03:02:22,959
Speaker 22: it was the last thing that he did was probably

2923
03:02:23,040 --> 03:02:30,080
Speaker 22: that Kennedy Center Honors thing right before before Trump changed

2924
03:02:30,120 --> 03:02:31,840
Speaker 22: it to the Trump Kennedy Center.

2925
03:02:33,120 --> 03:02:33,240
Speaker 8: Right.

2926
03:02:34,720 --> 03:02:37,800
Speaker 1: But he's good, good, good to hit that ten away

2927
03:02:37,840 --> 03:02:40,720
Speaker 1: from the top. They are. But Carrie, not all the records.

2928
03:02:41,040 --> 03:02:44,120
Speaker 1: You know, we hear about the hits. How patient was

2929
03:02:44,200 --> 03:02:46,280
Speaker 1: your dad because you know Supremes. I heard they were

2930
03:02:46,280 --> 03:02:48,879
Speaker 1: struggling when they first came out, and Stevie went through

2931
03:02:48,879 --> 03:02:52,240
Speaker 1: a patch as well, and some other artists. How did

2932
03:02:52,320 --> 03:02:54,440
Speaker 1: they deal with that? How did your dad deal with that?

2933
03:02:55,560 --> 03:02:58,959
Speaker 22: Well, he didn't care. Here's the thing if he's not okay.

2934
03:02:59,080 --> 03:03:02,800
Speaker 22: First of all, Motown people thought that we had a

2935
03:03:03,000 --> 03:03:06,440
Speaker 22: very big roster because you know, CBS at the time

2936
03:03:06,520 --> 03:03:09,680
Speaker 22: and Warner Brothers and the big companies they would have,

2937
03:03:10,080 --> 03:03:17,080
Speaker 22: you know, three hundred artists signed to them. Motown only

2938
03:03:17,400 --> 03:03:21,240
Speaker 22: had we carried a roster of twenty to twenty five.

2939
03:03:21,320 --> 03:03:24,560
Speaker 22: We didn't really carry a big roster. We just had

2940
03:03:24,600 --> 03:03:27,720
Speaker 22: a big hit to miss ratio because of our artist

2941
03:03:27,840 --> 03:03:32,400
Speaker 22: development and our quality control. So what happens is is

2942
03:03:32,480 --> 03:03:36,080
Speaker 22: that if we put out a record on somebody like

2943
03:03:36,200 --> 03:03:42,160
Speaker 22: for instance, the Supremes went up six records without a

2944
03:03:42,440 --> 03:03:45,920
Speaker 22: without a hit. And every time they would put out

2945
03:03:45,959 --> 03:03:49,680
Speaker 22: a record and it didn't have a hit, my father

2946
03:03:49,720 --> 03:03:54,080
Speaker 22: would say, Okay, let's let's find a better record. Let's

2947
03:03:54,120 --> 03:03:57,320
Speaker 22: find because he would say, if something went wrong, it

2948
03:03:57,560 --> 03:04:01,600
Speaker 22: wasn't the artist thought because if he or we picked

2949
03:04:01,680 --> 03:04:05,080
Speaker 22: back artist, we knew they were great, and it's not

2950
03:04:05,280 --> 03:04:09,040
Speaker 22: the artist's fault. If the record doesn't sell, because we

2951
03:04:09,320 --> 03:04:12,640
Speaker 22: know the artist is great, it's our fault. And so

2952
03:04:12,879 --> 03:04:16,120
Speaker 22: now we have to figure out what we did wrong,

2953
03:04:16,480 --> 03:04:20,119
Speaker 22: whether it was the marketing, the sales, the distribution, the promotion,

2954
03:04:20,400 --> 03:04:26,560
Speaker 22: the timing, whatever it was, or the song, and we

2955
03:04:26,640 --> 03:04:29,480
Speaker 22: would figure that out and then we would come up

2956
03:04:29,520 --> 03:04:34,600
Speaker 22: with the next record. So the Supremes went seven six

2957
03:04:34,760 --> 03:04:38,840
Speaker 22: records without a hit. Now listen to this. The Temptations

2958
03:04:39,480 --> 03:04:43,080
Speaker 22: went eight records without a hit. Both of these people

2959
03:04:43,280 --> 03:04:46,080
Speaker 22: in Motown, they were called the no hit Temptations and

2960
03:04:46,160 --> 03:04:47,240
Speaker 22: the no hit Supremes.

2961
03:04:47,560 --> 03:04:47,720
Speaker 4: Right.

2962
03:04:47,840 --> 03:04:53,119
Speaker 22: Meanwhile, Marvin Gaye was killing it right. But the point

2963
03:04:53,320 --> 03:04:58,440
Speaker 22: is is that. It was the perseverance and the belief.

2964
03:04:59,480 --> 03:05:02,879
Speaker 22: When p people told my father to drop Stevie Wonder

2965
03:05:03,320 --> 03:05:05,920
Speaker 22: because he had gone from I guess it was maybe

2966
03:05:06,200 --> 03:05:10,680
Speaker 22: three or four years between hits, between fingertips, and I

2967
03:05:10,840 --> 03:05:14,040
Speaker 22: was made to lover. But people were saying, drop them.

2968
03:05:14,080 --> 03:05:16,920
Speaker 22: He's a problem, his mother's a problem, this, that, And

2969
03:05:17,320 --> 03:05:20,920
Speaker 22: my father said, listen, I if Stevie never has a hit,

2970
03:05:21,080 --> 03:05:24,800
Speaker 22: I will never drop Stevie because this man is a genius.

2971
03:05:25,080 --> 03:05:28,000
Speaker 22: And if you guys can't get a hit, it's your problem,

2972
03:05:28,120 --> 03:05:35,040
Speaker 22: it's not his problem. Right. So to that end, he

2973
03:05:35,160 --> 03:05:40,160
Speaker 22: didn't care. All he cared about was making sure that

2974
03:05:40,360 --> 03:05:42,960
Speaker 22: they had the tools, that they had the team, that

2975
03:05:43,080 --> 03:05:46,720
Speaker 22: they had the machinery, and if they had that, it

2976
03:05:46,879 --> 03:05:49,040
Speaker 22: was our job to make sure that they got the

2977
03:05:49,160 --> 03:05:52,039
Speaker 22: hit records. And if they didn't get the hit records,

2978
03:05:52,240 --> 03:05:55,560
Speaker 22: it wasn't their fault, it was our fault. And ultimately,

2979
03:05:55,680 --> 03:06:00,360
Speaker 22: my father took total responsibility for the fault of someone

2980
03:06:00,720 --> 03:06:05,480
Speaker 22: not not happening if he was the inspiration behind it,

2981
03:06:05,600 --> 03:06:08,000
Speaker 22: if he had passion for that thing.

2982
03:06:09,000 --> 03:06:13,080
Speaker 1: Right, a choice is right. Because Stevie turned out at

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Speaker 1: twenty five grammars, at the most Grammars and anti motown artist.

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Speaker 1: So your dad bet on it. It was a good bet.

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Speaker 1: Similar away from the top there. Kevin has a question

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Speaker 1: for you, though, Kerrie grand Rising Kevin.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, Carrie, goody. How you feeling, sir?

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Speaker 2: Hey Man, Then that's such an inspiring story that you're telling.

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Speaker 18: Man.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's like I can almost see you in

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Speaker 2: the room, super excited. I wanted to ask you about

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Speaker 2: the image consulting. You touched on it a little bit,

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Speaker 2: but each group had a unique look and they were

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Speaker 2: Christine and they just impressed the whole country. Was there

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Speaker 2: some special psychology behind the image consulting of the various acts?

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Speaker 22: Absolutely? See, you have to understand during those times, we

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Speaker 22: were going through, you know, a serious racial inequality, and uh,

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Speaker 22: for all intents and purposes, the general public, the white public,

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Speaker 22: they were they were they were scared of black people,

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Speaker 22: and so we had to be we had to be

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Speaker 22: the bridge between the whites and the blacks, so we

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Speaker 22: could not be threatening. We had to have class and

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Speaker 22: and so to that end, Uh, my father set up

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Speaker 22: uh these artists development classes and courses that everybody had

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Speaker 22: to attend. It was not a uh it was it

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Speaker 22: was it was almost like elocution class. You had to

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Speaker 22: know how to not just perform and uh, you had

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Speaker 22: to know how to dress, you had to know how

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Speaker 22: to walk, you had to know how to talk, you

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Speaker 22: had to know how to eat in public correctly, because

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Speaker 22: these these people would end up going out to dinner

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Speaker 22: with the major people and presidents and the Queen of England,

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Speaker 22: right right. So the fact that the fact of the

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Speaker 22: matter is is that it was very important that they

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Speaker 22: that they had this level of sophistication. Now, each artist

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Speaker 22: had their own unique thing. So for instance, the Temptations

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Speaker 22: did not sound like the Four Tops, Gladys Knights did

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Speaker 22: not sound like Dina Ross, and the songs that were

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Speaker 22: given to Gladys Knight were not the same songs that

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Speaker 22: you would give to Dina Ross. So the fact of

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Speaker 22: the matter is is that everybody had their own specific feel, sound,

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Speaker 22: psychographic and demograph that they were targeting. And it all

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Speaker 22: becomes general once you get to the point of where

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Speaker 22: you become, you know, a hit artist. But in that

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Speaker 22: beginning stage, you have to focus on who is who

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Speaker 22: are we targeting specifically, And once we target those people

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Speaker 22: specifically and we tell the stories that we want to tell.

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Speaker 22: Then we spread it out. We spread it out globally.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Carry Man. That is genius that there should

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Speaker 3: be a book on this.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, Carrie, when's the book coming out? Carrie, when's

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Speaker 1: the book coming out?

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Speaker 22: It's coming through, it's coming, it's coming.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let us know when it's out, Carrie. I want

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Speaker 1: to thank you. Thank you family. Also, go check out

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Speaker 1: on Netflix Sunday Best. That's Carry part of the production

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Speaker 1: team put that together. Carrie. Thanks for the memories, Carrie,

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Speaker 1: say hi to your dad for us.

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Speaker 22: You know what I always will and Carl is always

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Speaker 22: great to be on your show, and thanks for reaching out.

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Speaker 1: All right, family, that's it for the day. Classes dismiss,

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Speaker 1: stay strong, stay positive, please please stay healthy. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in Baltimore on

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Speaker 1: ten ten WLB. I'm also in the DMV on fourteen

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Speaker 1: fifty WOL