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Speaker 2: Come o franch em Casey, the Facebook is coming.

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Speaker 1: What's just not Yes, it was already here.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's some people out there that are upset with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is still the number one most used social

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Speaker 2: Let's get to the bottom of it. It's the Kennel

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Speaker 2: and Casey show. I'm Rob, that's Casey and you may

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Speaker 2: have heard that. Well, what's the parent company. It's Meta, right, Meta,

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Speaker 2: that's the name. Meta is building this monstrosity in the

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Speaker 2: Leap Innovation District out in Lebanon. And now there are

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Speaker 1: I feel like this is an Aaron Brockovich situation.

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Speaker 2: It is a fascinating story to me know what the

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Speaker 2: is a retired farmer out in Lebanon, and Brian, this

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Speaker 2: all started with look reset this, I guess real quick.

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Speaker 2: We've talked about this a long time in our program,

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Speaker 2: but this Leap District has run into all sorts of

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Speaker 1: Power, water and water, and water.

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Speaker 2: Is the big one. Brian, can you tell us very

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Speaker 3: Well, the water issues have been there from the beginning.

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Speaker 3: That attempt raised a lot of concerns and Nelson Lee

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Speaker 2: So, Brian, a couple of things I think we need

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Speaker 2: my understanding, there's also like housing developments being built around

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Speaker 3: That's well apparently, I understood, because the IDC maps that

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Speaker 2: Okay, so the background of the it's important because what

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Speaker 3: Evidently Meta needed water, their contract or needed water for

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Speaker 1: Do you know, Brian, are these temporary wells loving indicated?

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Speaker 2: We're talking about these reports that Meta Facebook is part

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's our concern. You know, we've been told and

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Speaker 2: Anyway, So I want to people may have heard that

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Speaker 3: Their contractor went into an existing site that had been

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Speaker 3: And it certainly there's no other conclusion that they intended

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Speaker 1: Do we know who would police this? Is this under

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Speaker 2: This relates to drilling these wells and then tapping into

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Speaker 3: Yes, a local farmer named Jim Love took some photos

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to ask you why they moved

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Speaker 3: I think it's because they are exposed any water they

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Speaker 3: That really seems another in many ways, Rob that we've

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a statement for everything. Also with Leap.

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Speaker 1: Put on a buffer sticker.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Brian, thank yeah, thanks for all the work you

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Speaker 2: let us know how we can help.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. I appreciate that opting to talk

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