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Speaker 1: Joining us now back on for a second time this week,

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Speaker 1: which is a sign of a flurry of activity for

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Speaker 1: the Pacers. From the Indianapolis Star, our friend Dustin joins us,

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Speaker 1: and Dustin, I'll begin with this. You know, I can

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Speaker 1: speak admittedly, and I want people to understand this your job,

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Speaker 1: and I don't need to explain this to you, but

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Speaker 1: I'm saying for our listeners, I hope people understand that

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Speaker 1: when we have you guys on that are beat writers

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Speaker 1: for the.

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Speaker 2: Team, your job is not to.

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Speaker 1: Have emotional attachment to the team, but rather to antiseptically

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Speaker 1: tell us the ins and outs and the x's and

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Speaker 1: o's of a team. I, on the other hand, have decided,

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Speaker 1: you know, as an opinion piece, if you will on

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Speaker 1: a radio show, I can be a little bit more

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Speaker 1: open about my.

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Speaker 2: Fandom, so to speak.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not asking you from a fan standpoint, but

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Speaker 1: rather from the x's and o's basketball standpoint, assuming everyone

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Speaker 1: involves stays healthy. Did the Pacers yesterday become a better

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Speaker 1: basketball team?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 4: That is helpful considering. I think a lot of people

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Speaker 4: don't know how our job works, so thank you, and

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Speaker 4: you know, I think they did because they just had

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Speaker 4: to get a center. I mean, it just wasn't gonna

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Speaker 4: work without, you know, just getting a five man that

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Speaker 4: they could really trust. Uh, you know, I mean it's

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Speaker 4: I mean, a center is still critical. As much as

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Speaker 4: the game has changed, as much as a lot of.

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Speaker 3: It is position lists, you still need some size.

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Speaker 4: You still need you know, you still need a real

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Speaker 4: partner for you know, your all star point guard in

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Speaker 4: the pick and roll game. You still need somebody to

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Speaker 4: read on the basketball. You need still need somebody to

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Speaker 4: fight to block out. You still need somebody to be

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Speaker 4: able to finish around the rim. Uh.

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Speaker 3: They needed all those things and.

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Speaker 4: They had to have basically, And I think you know,

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Speaker 4: you could see certainly in the in the structure of

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Speaker 4: this deal how important it was. I mean, I really

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Speaker 4: thought the twenty twenty sixth draft pick was going to

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Speaker 4: be off limits. And you know, it's certainly bold for

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Speaker 4: them to go out and say, Okay, you know, we'll

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Speaker 4: we'll live with losing pick five to nine. Here, this

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Speaker 4: is how important to get a center.

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Speaker 3: But I think it is.

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Speaker 4: I just I think they.

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Speaker 3: Are stare in a position.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not saying they have to win it

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Speaker 4: next year, but really, next two, three, years. You know,

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Speaker 4: they have to be a championship calendar for a team.

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Speaker 4: They've got too much invested in this, and you know,

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Speaker 4: just the way the contracts work out and everything. I mean,

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Speaker 4: they've got, you know, probably a two three year window,

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Speaker 4: but that's what they have and it has to include

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Speaker 4: to center. So I think they got a lot better.

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Speaker 4: I mean, certainly you don't. It's still tough to move

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Speaker 4: on for a guy like Ben Nickmaster. And as much

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Speaker 4: as there's you know, they've learned a lot of what

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Speaker 4: there is to know about him, and and you know,

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Speaker 4: the fit is a little walky, he's still a really

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Speaker 4: talented player. So it's not easy to walk away for

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Speaker 4: And you know, you run the risk, you know, with

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Speaker 4: this twenty twenty six pick, because the lottery bolls don't

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Speaker 4: go your way. You can just lose it. But I

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Speaker 4: get them looking at it and saying, you know, even

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you this, dust See, this is

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Speaker 1: the way I look at it. There have been players

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Speaker 1: in the past, the Pacers have taken in the first

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Speaker 1: round Jeff Foster, Austin Kroscher.

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Speaker 2: First two that come to mind, Eric Dampier for that matter.

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Speaker 1: That were capable of being very effective players or regular

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Speaker 1: Indiana's in a unique situation here because yes, they may

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think yes, to know, I think that

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Speaker 4: Developments from Jeris Walker go a long way of saying, okay,

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Speaker 4: like that the guy who can get your points off

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Speaker 4: you're I think there that that is something that has

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Speaker 4: really really hope that whatever trade has made that this

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Speaker 4: But you know, Jars Walker at his best, you know,

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Speaker 4: I don't know that anybody else that they have on

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Speaker 4: You know, you add that, you add another in your

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Speaker 3: The way that you're getting buckets mconnell is.

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Speaker 4: Tougher for him to get to the rim, but man,

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Speaker 4: And Buze is just such a good player that you're

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Speaker 3: Somebody that way. H.

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Speaker 4: I think they should if they end up losing the pick,

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Speaker 4: they should absolutely look for somebody a two guard that

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Speaker 1: When you look Dustin at the way that Zubats plays,

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Speaker 1: can he play in transition the way Indiana has typically

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he doesn't stand out as a get

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Speaker 4: that's not going to be his strength. That doesn't mean

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Speaker 4: he'll never do it. I mean he's not a total

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Speaker 3: He's very very big, and it's very fit.

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Speaker 4: So I'm not gonna I don't want to downplaying that

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Speaker 4: You know, probably going to be behind the play after

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Speaker 4: but you know, like he's like Turner is probably gonna

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Speaker 4: and you know, like you're you're probably even as far

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Speaker 4: a walling guys off and just saying like okay, like

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Speaker 4: I'm just not going to give you a clean look here.

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Speaker 4: You're not going to get close, uh, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, to get a good shot.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think he's averaging point eight blocks per game.

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Speaker 4: I think he's a one point one, one point two guy,

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Speaker 4: or two a game. You know, he's still gonna do that.

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Speaker 4: But like his his best part of the transition game

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Speaker 4: not gonna say he's never gonna do anything for you

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Speaker 1: Here's the other thing, dustin this Clearly now the Pacers

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Speaker 1: have made it and I I'm here for it.

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Speaker 2: I'm not blaming them for this at all.

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Speaker 1: I'm on board with this, and I think most fans

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Speaker 1: are with this move. And by protecting those top four picks,

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Speaker 2: Meaning they can't win a lot of games? Here?

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Speaker 1: Are we about to see a ton of Ethan Thompson

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Speaker 1: and Quintin Jackson and Johnny Furfey and Micah Potter lineups

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Speaker 1: night and nothing against those guys, right, but that's not

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Speaker 1: your primary group? Are we about to see a lot

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's what I'm thinking, you know, I feel

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Speaker 4: like that's what everybody's sort of immediate inclination is. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 4: if you if you get the five and you lose it,

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Speaker 4: then you better tank hard and you better get every

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Speaker 4: possible lottery ticket you can get to get one of

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Speaker 4: these four guys, because that that's what's really with you

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Speaker 3: I mean, like.

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Speaker 4: It's prob're you're probably still okay with it if you

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Speaker 4: don't get it, but you know, like, man, it makes

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Speaker 4: a real difference if you do, so I would my

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Speaker 4: initial thought is, yet, that being said, there's a counter

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Speaker 4: and you know, like, if you're Rick Carlisle, you're gonna

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Speaker 4: have a hard time accepting that. If you're a passal Seakham,

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Speaker 4: you're gonna have a hard time accepting that. Because there

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Speaker 4: is a value to the idea of saying, all right,

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Speaker 4: well you've got to activate you back, like you don't

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Speaker 4: to play with the Indiana Pacers in October, you know,

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Speaker 4: like you'd rather get you know, like if you're gonna

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Speaker 4: will give him some time, uh you know, for fraternityly

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Speaker 4: if probably more than you would usually get in the NBA,

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Speaker 4: They'll probably I mean I would think that, you know,

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Speaker 4: you might give him a week in this case, and shoot,

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Speaker 4: might even give him the all suck ring. But I mean,

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Speaker 4: They've just never they just haven't had that very much,

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Speaker 4: that's good enough to win basketball games if you run

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's going to be tricky. You know. I'm

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Speaker 4: going to ask Rick some version of that tonight in Milwaukee.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I don't like, I'm sure.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna dodge.

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Speaker 4: It's like, I'm sure he's not going to you know,

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Speaker 4: You got to stay within these boundaries and we really

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Speaker 2: Here Obe Topping.

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Speaker 1: Would it be behoove them at some point to get

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it might. I mean, like I said,

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Speaker 4: is there is a reason to say, all right, Obi,

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Speaker 4: You're good, you know, like, just take your time, come

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Speaker 2: Are you driving to Milwaukee right now?

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Speaker 1: By the way, Dustin, I'm driving to Milwaukee right now.

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Speaker 1: Are you not on two ninety four going around Chicago?

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Speaker 4: I'm not nearly that far. I really wish I was.

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Speaker 1: Can you report back and let me know whether or

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Speaker 1: where they have flipped the thirty two Bryan Irlocker hair

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Speaker 4: I will do that, Yes, I will. I will report back.

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Speaker 4: The Airlocker hair things are one of my favorites.

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Speaker 2: That's like every five minutes.

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Speaker 4: Favorite billboard for me. I know exactly what you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Go into the best place. It is just up Ninth

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Speaker 1: Avenue off of Juneo. It is the old Paps Brewery.

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Speaker 1: Go in there. And tell Jim and or Scott that

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Speaker 1: the radio guy in Indy says, hi, and have a

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Speaker 1: PBR for me before you go back down to five

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Speaker 2: There's your tip.

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Speaker 4: Before I go back down to five serve for the game.

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Speaker 2: True, right, we're after We're after either one.

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Speaker 1: And of course, as always at the game itself, we

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Speaker 1: In Milwaukee, Dustin a pleasure as always, appreciate you making

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Speaker 4: Week absolutely anytime.

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Speaker 1: From the Indianapolis Star that is on the Java House

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Speaker 1: Peel and por guest line, our friend Dustinkirak tamara Zari

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Speaker 1: is with Clutch points out in Los Angeles. He covers

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Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Clippers and of course yesterday it takes

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Speaker 1: two to tango the Clippers the other on the side

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Speaker 1: of a Pacers trade at the trade deadline and Tamayer

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Speaker 2: Tamayr.

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Speaker 1: First off, I'm going to guess in Los Angeles right now,

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Speaker 1: seventy two Sonny and a slight breeze, am I right?

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Speaker 1: Pretty warm at seventy five. Hey, t Mary, listen, I'm

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Speaker 1: that that too warm of seventy five. Here we're looking

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Speaker 1: at nine feet of snow here in Indiana. We haven't seen,

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Speaker 1: tam Mary. Let me tell you something we haven't seen.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember that video that came out for the

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Speaker 1: Clippers with what's the guy that owns the Clippers? And

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Speaker 1: that Steve Balmer, When that Steve Balmer video came out

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Speaker 3: You know what I will make do with our weather here.

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Speaker 3: It's really difficult, but I'll make it do.

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Speaker 1: I probably all right, fair enough, let's get to this,

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Speaker 1: you know, first, I would like to know what it

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Speaker 1: in terms of a Beacha zoom and what sort of

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Speaker 1: with Indiana, you know they do like to play when

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Speaker 1: Can he play that way?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely? I mean I followed the Pacers pretty closely

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Speaker 3: Pretty pretty seamlessly.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember a couple of years

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Speaker 6: so I think, you know he'll he'll fit in pretty

436
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Speaker 6: well with the Pacers.

437
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Speaker 3: They're getting a really.

438
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Speaker 6: Good player there and the guy who I think, uh

439
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Speaker 6: one ty Rechi's dog will help them seriously contend for

440
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Speaker 6: an NBA championship.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now, and I like hearing that. People here are

442
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Speaker 1: gonna like hearing that. I appreciate it till maryor you

443
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Speaker 1: look at and if you saw the way Indiana played

444
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Speaker 1: in the finals, what you saw was this a large

445
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Speaker 1: part of the offensive scheme they liked to run with

446
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Speaker 1: Halliburton did feature Turner coming up to the top on

447
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Speaker 1: the high post and starting and facilitating kind of that

448
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Speaker 1: weave that they run by being the first option and

449
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Speaker 1: then you know, sending the ball out.

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Speaker 2: Is that the kind of thing Zubots could do?

451
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Speaker 3: I believe so.

452
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Speaker 6: But look, the one thing I will say is Miles

453
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Speaker 6: Stern had a pretty underwhelming NBA Finals offensively, if I

454
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Speaker 6: remember correctly, he.

455
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Speaker 3: Was not that great.

456
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Speaker 6: And I correct I think Zoo would be much better,

457
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Speaker 6: much stronger and physical force against a team like dil

458
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Speaker 6: Gloma Stuits under are other.

459
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Speaker 3: Teams in the Eastern Conference. I think that's where Zoo

460
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Speaker 3: maybe has a bit more advanced.

461
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Speaker 6: Where he's not really scared to get physical, scared to

462
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Speaker 6: try and dunk on someone or or go through contact.

463
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Speaker 6: And he's a guy who gets in a preto like

464
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Speaker 6: pretty often gets it quite a bit. If you look

465
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Speaker 6: at him, he's got a lot of scratches on his

466
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Speaker 6: arms and all that, so he's not afraid of contact.

467
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Speaker 6: So I think he's capable of being used in multiple ways.

468
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Speaker 6: But definitely when you acquire someone like him and bring

469
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Speaker 6: back Tyree Talibert, and I think you're looking at a

470
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Speaker 6: period of transition and it's adapting to what each you

471
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Speaker 6: know player brings. Zeus got used to playing with James Harden,

472
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Speaker 6: was playing the best basketball of his career with James Harden,

473
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Speaker 6: and so now you're looking at a different you know

474
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Speaker 6: point guard there, and you're an Mr TJ McConnell.

475
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Speaker 3: And then when Tyree's.

476
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Speaker 6: Gets back, you're gonna have a guy who passed out Siaka,

477
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Speaker 6: who obviously is a very big focal point for them

478
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Speaker 6: has been.

479
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Speaker 3: Obviously it all started this year.

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Speaker 6: So I think Zoo is one of those guys who

481
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Speaker 6: kind of fits his seamless. HEAs like I said, he

482
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Speaker 6: doesn't really need the ball all that much, but he's

483
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Speaker 6: capable of giving you sixteen and twelve very very easily, you.

484
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Speaker 3: Know, just playing thirty minutes a night.

485
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Speaker 6: I think he's capable of giving you that and fitting

486
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Speaker 6: in everywhere you need him.

487
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Speaker 3: So I'm actually, you know, sad to see him go

488
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Speaker 3: because he was the guy who I've covered here for the.

489
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Speaker 6: Last eight years, but should be a phenomenal fit with

490
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Speaker 6: the Pacers with a chance to win a championship.

491
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Speaker 1: Tamara Zarrely is my guest. He is the LA Clippers

492
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Speaker 1: and NBA writer for Clutch Sports. He's on the Java

493
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Speaker 1: House Peel and poor guest line, uh tamayor you know,

494
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Speaker 1: I realize that it is our job, and I hope

495
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Speaker 1: people understand this. Just because you cover a team doesn't

496
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Speaker 1: mean that you're going out to dinner and going clubbing

497
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Speaker 1: with guys, right, But when you cover guys and you

498
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Speaker 1: cover a team and you can see a locker room,

499
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Speaker 1: you do get a feel for personalities and just you

500
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Speaker 1: know how how guys go about their business.

501
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Speaker 2: What kind of guy is coming to Indiana? What kind

502
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Speaker 2: of what kind of dude is he?

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Speaker 6: Oh, Zoo is Zoo's a really fun, chill guy.

504
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Speaker 3: I mean he's he's I think he likes the crack

505
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Speaker 3: jokes and he's great with media. Like he was phenomenal

506
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Speaker 3: with us whenever we had a chance to talk to him.

507
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Speaker 3: I think once we got.

508
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Speaker 6: To know him better, he he gave us a lot

509
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Speaker 6: of you know, a lot of crap here and there,

510
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Speaker 6: but it was all in good fun. I think the

511
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Speaker 6: last thing he told me the other day when I

512
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Speaker 6: saw him the locker room was oh, you got a

513
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Speaker 6: Erica look at you.

514
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Speaker 3: So he's a really cool guy, really fun guy.

515
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Speaker 6: But the guy that also takes basketball very seriously is

516
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Speaker 6: wanted wanted to win for quite some time.

517
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Speaker 3: He's a guy who you know, I think basketball is

518
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Speaker 3: and and you know it's clearly made a living for him.

519
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Speaker 3: But he also when when they dealt.

520
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Speaker 6: With injuries, he's been just as frustrated as the guys

521
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Speaker 6: who've been injured because he really wants a.

522
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Speaker 3: Chance to win. It could be for championship.

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Speaker 6: So, I mean, he just had his newborn daughter, a

524
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Speaker 6: couple of days ago, so clearly going.

525
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Speaker 3: Through a lot processing that process in the trade.

526
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Speaker 6: So I think it'll take some time for him to

527
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Speaker 6: fully act him into that system and into the Indianapolis community.

528
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Speaker 6: But again, he's a great dude overall. I fully enjoyed

529
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Speaker 6: covering him over the last eight years here in Washington.

530
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Speaker 6: Kind of developed from this, you know, second rounder who

531
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Speaker 6: you know was a bench guy for the Lakers and

532
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Speaker 6: to a starter and All Star caliber player for the Clippers.

533
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Speaker 6: So I was very fun to see that you guys

534
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Speaker 6: are getting a really good and really fun player and

535
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Speaker 6: a great personality.

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Speaker 3: They're great.

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Speaker 1: By the way, to Mary, you get major props for

538
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Speaker 1: your professionalism here for not correcting me when I said

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Speaker 1: incorrectly clutch points right is who you're with as an

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Speaker 1: NBA writer at clip as I said clutch Sports. My apologies,

541
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Speaker 1: Clutch Points is Tamaryazari uh Benedict Matheren coming there. This

542
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Speaker 1: is a guy that I have said, really good player

543
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Speaker 1: and kind of a quiet guy. Instant can be instant offense,

544
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Speaker 1: and really good isolation player. It has nothing to do

545
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Speaker 1: with with anything about him as a player as a

546
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Speaker 1: person that he was sent from Indiana. I just think that,

547
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Speaker 1: you know, what they want to play didn't necessarily jive

548
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Speaker 1: with what he brings to the table. So that said,

549
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Speaker 1: what will his role be with Los Angeles? And why

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Speaker 1: do you believe the Clippers felt the need to make

551
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Speaker 1: the move?

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Speaker 6: Well, immediately after well, let's start with why they felt

553
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Speaker 6: the need to make the move.

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Speaker 3: We'll start with that far.

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Speaker 6: I think once you traded James Harden, they're they're really

556
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Speaker 6: fighting for a plan spot here. But I think you

557
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 6: really see that window to go for a championship kind

558
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Speaker 6: of disappear. I think they've been solid in the last

559
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Speaker 6: month and a half, but they weren't seriously.

560
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Speaker 4: Going to be a champions you contender this season.

561
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Speaker 6: And so when you look at that, and you look

562
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Speaker 6: at how well Zoo has played with James Harden, the

563
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Speaker 6: fact of the matter that I.

564
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Speaker 3: Think this was probably the peak of his value.

565
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Speaker 6: You probably weren't going to get much more than you

566
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Speaker 6: got for him at the deadline with a couple of young,

567
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Speaker 6: good players and Isaiah Jackson, Benedict Mather and the you know,

568
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Speaker 6: the couple of unprotected picks as well, like.

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Speaker 3: That was really valuable.

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Speaker 6: I think Indiana gave up quite a bit to get him.

571
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Speaker 6: Obviously it's a risk, and I think if they win

572
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Speaker 6: a championship it is obviously worth it. But they give

573
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Speaker 6: up quite quite a bit to get him. So I

574
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Speaker 6: think from the Clippers perspective, if they don't feel like

575
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Speaker 6: they're contending for a tamvship even a deep playoff run

576
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Speaker 6: right now.

577
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Speaker 7: It's probably best to retool and then just get assets for,

578
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Speaker 7: you know, down the line, maybe even go off the

579
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Speaker 7: Jannis trade or or just have assets to use down

580
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Speaker 7: the line, because they haven't had much draft capital at

581
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Speaker 7: all since the Paul George straight So that's that angle.

582
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Speaker 3: And then Benedict Mather.

583
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Speaker 6: As soon as they treated James Harden, they really, you know,

584
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Speaker 6: they needed to score.

585
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Speaker 3: They needed the two guard that could really score.

586
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Speaker 6: You know, Darius Garland obviously can't score, but you needed too,

587
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Speaker 6: a bigger body, and I.

588
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Speaker 3: Think don't think Matther can provide that.

589
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Speaker 6: He's a guy who, if I remember correctly, was was

590
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Speaker 6: was not playing that much in the NBA Finals. They

591
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Speaker 6: came out and I think he had like a twenty

592
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Speaker 6: or twenty five point game and helped the Patriots win

593
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Speaker 6: one of those big games in the finals. So a

594
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Speaker 6: guy who I think has shown in the ability to

595
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Speaker 6: score and get to the free throw line. I think

596
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Speaker 6: that the key with him will be getting getting him

597
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Speaker 6: to play within a system and getting him to be

598
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Speaker 6: a you know, maybe not a liability defensively, but they

599
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Speaker 6: able to play with it within the team the team

600
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Speaker 6: system defense.

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Speaker 3: I think that that'll be important. But there's no there's

602
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Speaker 3: no doubt he's got a.

603
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Speaker 6: Lot of talent as a scorer, and I think Toronto

604
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Speaker 6: is very excited to have a guy.

605
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Speaker 3: Like that on the team.

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Speaker 2: You know.

607
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Speaker 1: Lastly, Zobots, I'm curious of this Talmayor Sam works so

608
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Speaker 1: well with his spin on the low block that he

609
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Speaker 1: kind of needs space and so if you get a

610
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Speaker 1: space eating big down there, it can get into the

611
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Speaker 1: operating area of siakam Is Zubots the type that can

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Speaker 1: that they can move kind of clear out of that

613
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Speaker 1: space if you will, and still having the effective offensively speaking.

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Speaker 1: Is there any concern with that movement if you will,

615
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Speaker 1: I don't.

616
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Speaker 3: Necessarily think so.

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Speaker 6: I mean, Zoo's got like I mentioned, he's great finishing

618
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Speaker 6: with his right and his left.

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Speaker 3: He's really been.

620
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Speaker 6: Working on extending that that little hook shot, that float.

621
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Speaker 3: Shot to just inside the free throw line.

622
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Speaker 6: Or that kind of distance, so he's capable of of

623
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Speaker 6: of hitting the mid range shot.

624
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Speaker 3: He's not a guy.

625
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Speaker 6: Who's really used that, and I think the Clippers, with

626
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 6: with how they've played, haven't really needed to. But I

627
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Speaker 6: think he is capable of doing it, so I don't

628
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Speaker 6: really foresee any issues with that. And again, you're getting

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Speaker 6: a guy who's capable of fitting, I think, very seamlessly

630
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Speaker 6: with some of these other guys on their team, and

631
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Speaker 6: then not to mention the keeper in the contract, Gastick,

632
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Speaker 6: so I think everything just really made sense there. I

633
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Speaker 6: really don't foresee any issues with getting Siakam. Actuctually, we're

634
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Speaker 6: getting zoobots that commanded to playing with a guy like Siakam,

635
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Speaker 6: especially because can't face the floor out Zoo has become

636
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 6: really a good finisher, can can post up easily, can

637
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Speaker 6: pass out of double teams.

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00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 3: He's really I think he's better than people think he is. Offensively.

639
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm two bocks who.

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00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 6: Watched him, but he's pretty good offensively with the ball,

641
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 6: and I'm off the ball, so I think people will

642
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 6: be a little surprised to see how good.

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Speaker 1: He is at to Mayor Azari, that's t o m

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Speaker 1: E r a z A r l Y on the

645
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: ex post Twitter and of course at Clutch Points where

646
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: you can read his work as well covering the Clippers

647
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: and if you'd like to follow what Benedict Mathern is

648
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: doing out there as well. Man, I really appreciate it,

649
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 1: great insight and certainly appreciate the time today and by

650
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Speaker 1: all means stay cool, don't get too hot out there

651
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Speaker 1: in La.

652
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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you. I'm wiping off to the sweat

653
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Speaker 3: right now.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me appreciated.

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Speaker 1: Tell Mayor Azarrely on the Java House, Peel and Port

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Speaker 1: guest line