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Speaker 3: They've won fourteen consecutive games in Aga, Wilson's playing like

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Speaker 2: Of the art.

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Speaker 1: Vegas has the experience just in terms of when you

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Speaker 5: I I think that, you know, they would have to.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe that Shane Stiken called that game the

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Speaker 5: I think it's probably a more complex game plan. I

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Speaker 5: I think it expands what they can do, and people

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Speaker 3: That's not what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 1: Joe, how many of these Dog and Pony Show interviews

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Speaker 1: time when that happens, do you say you're not going

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Speaker 5: Ire on the one hand, On the one hand, yes,

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Speaker 5: But if you make it sound like it's a negative,

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Speaker 3: Positive because it makes you sound smarter that Sometimes I'm.

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Speaker 5: No, sometimes I'm like, I'm like, I got to talk

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Speaker 1: and here for a week about how wonderful it was

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Speaker 1: to have competency instead at the quarterback position. And you

437
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Speaker 1: are a young guy that allegedly, and I'm using that

438
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Speaker 1: in air quotes, the team still believes in But how

439
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Speaker 1: do you think he's doing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a that's a good question. I don't I

441
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Speaker 5: don't know that I have any insight on it. I

442
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Speaker 5: think your instincts makes sense to me. I think if

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Speaker 5: I was in his position, it would be a little

444
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Speaker 5: bit tough. You see stuff from like, uh, I was

445
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Speaker 5: just reading a story about like fired coaches or whatever,

446
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Speaker 5: and that it's hard for them to turn on the

447
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 5: game of the team that they were coaching before they

448
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Speaker 5: were fired. Uh. And and it's probably I mean, it's

449
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Speaker 5: got to be a little bit true if you were

450
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Speaker 5: the quarterback and then somebody else is a quarterback, right yeah,

451
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Speaker 5: except that you have to be there and you have

452
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Speaker 5: to stand there on.

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Speaker 2: The sideline, right all.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I I know, you got to

455
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Speaker 1: be the team guy and you got to be the

456
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Speaker 1: team player. But at the same time that there's that's

457
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Speaker 1: why the reason I say it, Joel Is, because that's

458
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Speaker 1: why it feels to me like when you take a

459
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Speaker 1: quarterback from the starter back to the like we're gonna

460
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Speaker 1: put him on the sidelines and let him learn that's

461
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Speaker 1: a real difficult thing to come back from.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that,

463
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Speaker 5: And especially if, especially if you see, you know, success

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Speaker 5: from the person that replaced you.

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Speaker 2: That's what I mean.

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Speaker 5: A lot of times, a lot of times, a lot

467
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Speaker 5: of times you have these guys like what you know,

468
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Speaker 5: they Bryce Young got benched and then the Caroline Panthers

469
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Speaker 5: are still a mess. You know, That's that's different than

470
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Speaker 5: watching them go out and score on all seven possessions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again it's interesting that you say that you

472
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Speaker 1: thought that Shane Steiken might have called the game even

473
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Speaker 1: more complex, because there's part of me that wondered if

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Speaker 1: they didn't make it even more simplistic to keep within

475
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Speaker 1: what they believe to be the ceiling for Jones. And

476
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Speaker 1: just as I keep talking about having hit the layups

477
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Speaker 1: and Tyler Warren being a big piece of that, but

478
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Speaker 1: maybe maybe in fact they were able to spread it around,

479
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Speaker 1: Does that make sense? I mean, their offense might have

480
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Speaker 1: been even more versatile so to speak.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think how they I think it's how they

482
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Speaker 5: get to the layups. It's how they you know, all

483
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Speaker 5: of the different ways we saw the US Tyler Warren,

484
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Speaker 5: the all of the like options. Essentially, you get to

485
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Speaker 5: the line and you have options to change the play

486
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Speaker 5: and maybe that play just leads to a five yard game,

487
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Speaker 5: but it's a play that you wouldn't have had if

488
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Speaker 5: you stuck in that. I think that's where it expands.

489
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Speaker 5: It is they've got more options to get to those

490
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Speaker 5: layups than they would have had before.

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Speaker 1: Joel, here's the bottom line. Before you go back in,

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Speaker 1: I need to let you know this. It is not

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Speaker 1: until January. No, I take that back December. Second week

494
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Speaker 1: in December when I do my annual weekend trip to Milwaukee,

495
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Speaker 1: we do our pre Christmas trip to Milwaukee.

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Speaker 2: Shannon and I.

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Speaker 1: That means that when the beer faery made his delivery

498
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Speaker 1: to you, you've got to ration things off and pace yourself.

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Speaker 2: I wondered. I wondered, and.

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Speaker 5: I wondered, and I may have gone out, and you

501
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 5: know the next time I was at the grocery store,

502
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Speaker 5: I was like, you know what I need. I need

503
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Speaker 5: to get myself a three Floyd's Variety pack, so I.

504
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Speaker 2: Can face out these.

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Speaker 5: I can space out this Wisconsin stuff for appropriate times.

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Speaker 1: That's right, or as they do in Wisconsin. You know,

507
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Speaker 1: I gotta take care of that until next Wednesday.

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Speaker 5: That's pretty good, accent, that's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I don't know if you know this

510
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Speaker 1: or not, but I'm a man of many talents.

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Speaker 2: We haven't found.

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Speaker 1: Necessarily what most of those are, but allegedly I am right.

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Speaker 1: All right, Joel, Well, you get back to it. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: What's that?

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Speaker 5: I thought that was a pretty good one.

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Speaker 4: That's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Wisconsin. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna do what I can. Hey, daughter,

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Speaker 1: I do what I can, all right. Appreciate the time, Joel.

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Speaker 1: As always, you bet we'll see. I've mentioned before my

522
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 1: roommate in college was from the Upper Peninsula of Michigan,

523
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Speaker 1: and that's basically Wisconsin. And I'll never forget when his

524
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Speaker 1: cousin came to visit us and was in the shower

525
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Speaker 1: and he's yelling, screaming, blood murdered from the shower. I

526
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: thought like he slipped and fell or something. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: going to go in the shower. I mean that was

528
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Speaker 1: a little uncomfortable, but the door was unlocked, so he

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Speaker 1: he he kind of popped his head through the door

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Speaker 1: and he's covered and whatever else, and he says, I

531
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Speaker 1: neede a tall like a tool.

532
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 3: I neede a toll now.

533
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Speaker 1: And I thought, oh my gosh, the you know, and

534
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Speaker 1: our place was a complete dump obviously, and I thought,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he needs a wrench or if

536
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: he needs like a hammer, or he needs a welding pipe.

537
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: But we're and now I'm in the you know, I'm

538
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 1: imagining water going everywhere and the apartment's flooded. And I said, well,

539
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: what what tool.

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Speaker 2: Do you need?

541
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Speaker 1: Just I just made any doll and I was kind

542
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Speaker 1: of freaking out. And then he opens the door and

543
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Speaker 1: he's standing there and he's buck naked, and he's covered

544
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Speaker 1: in water dripping off of him in some SuDS and says,

545
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Speaker 1: I just got a thall off before I get dressed.

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Speaker 1: Oh a towel. Okay, so yes, And that was Upper Peninsula,

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Speaker 1: but that's basically like Wisconsin.

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Speaker 3: Did you say buck naked?

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Speaker 2: I think I said butt naked. You could go both.

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Speaker 3: I heard buck.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I said buck naked.

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Speaker 1: They kind of roll one into the next butt naked,

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Speaker 1: buck naked, right, George, George Costanz's adult film star name

554
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Speaker 1: was going to be buck naked, but I think I

555
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: went with butt naked.

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Speaker 3: You should have gone with buck naked.

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00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: See now you get or if you were from there

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Speaker 1: and you know the buck naked, you know what I mean?

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00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: You got to get the Wisconsin accent. He mentioned, by

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00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 1: the way, what it would be like to be a

561
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Speaker 1: quarterback in watch your former team play and play well

562
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: and win games. What about if you're a coach and

563
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 1: your former team you get into a spat with, and

564
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: how that might actually hurt you in your current position.

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Speaker 1: I think we actually are witnessing that right now, and

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Speaker 1: we're witnessing it from a guy that people around here

567
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: are gonna want to see fail anyway. And I'll tell

568
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Speaker 1: you who that is and we'll get back into the

569
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Speaker 1: Colts conversation getting set for the Denver Broncos do it

570
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: all on the other side here on layer number two,

571
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Speaker 1: the multi layered Wednesday, it's quiring company on the fan.

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Speaker 1: I've made this editorial comment before, and it seems to

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Speaker 1: be that I'm alone on an island when I say it.

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Speaker 1: I know that people say that They're like this great

575
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: rock band of the seventies, and I totally respect and

576
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: appreciate their place within music culture. And we all have

577
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Speaker 1: our own individual taste.

578
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 2: But I think the Eagles are so.

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Speaker 3: Sleepy.

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Speaker 1: I hear that song, and I know that it's just

581
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Speaker 1: a matter of place and time of where you were

582
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Speaker 1: when songs are big. But when I hear that song,

583
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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm in the back of my mom's

584
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: car driving around listening to WIBC AM music radio, like

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00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: it's that's yacht rock to me. I know people would

586
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: disagree with me, but like, am I on the way

587
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: to the dentist? Are we a dentist's office? When that

588
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: song comes on, I just think the Eagles are so sleepy?

589
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 4: Strike one for me? Behind the board here? Not a

590
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 4: good star?

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00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: Are you an Eagles fan?

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00:28:59,360 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 4: I am?

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00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:00,719
Speaker 2: My dad is.

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00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 4: And you know, New Kid in Town is the name

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Speaker 4: of the song. I was trying to do a little

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Speaker 4: play on myself, that's fair, but the.

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Speaker 1: Song is just sleepy, man. I listen there, Caleb. I

598
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: don't think you're wrong though, because I'm in the minority

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00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:15,959
Speaker 1: in my opinion. It's what I'm getting at. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know that, but Nonetheless, there is an interesting thing

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Speaker 1: taking place right now. And maybe it's not necessarily a

602
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: big relevance within local college football or the NFL, but

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00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: I do think that it is of relevance to an

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00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: extent of the way in which sports are headed. And

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Speaker 1: to an extent I think it speaks to what I

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Speaker 1: just spoke to, and that is your perceptions in your

607
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: the way that you take in things and the way

608
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: that you perceive them is largely based upon where you

609
00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: are in your life or where you were when things

610
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: were last relevant. And what I'm getting at is this

611
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: this feud which is largely irrelevant in Indiana, I realize,

612
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: but the Bill Belichick feud with North Carolina and the

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Speaker 1: New England Patriots is somewhat topical here because Belichick, of course,

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Speaker 1: if you were to and yes, I realized, when you

615
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: won as many Super Bowls as he did and when

616
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Speaker 1: you had essentially an NFL dynasty, the Cults are not

617
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Speaker 1: alone and considering themselves the key rival to the Belichick Patriots.

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Speaker 1: I mean, certainly there are those that would say, no,

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Speaker 1: the Giants were a bigger rival for him, or the

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00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: you know, there's any number of organizations or franchises You

621
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Speaker 1: can mention the Jets, the Dolphins, those that are you know,

622
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: the Bills, those in the division, et cetera. But he

623
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Speaker 1: is a polarizing figure here in Indianapolis and significant within

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Speaker 1: the football culture of this town. And for those that

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Speaker 1: are unaware, Bill Belichick is now the head coach obviously

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00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: at the University of North Carolina, and they're already was

627
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: whisper as to how in touch with today's college game

628
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: even somebody who is a football savant like he is

629
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: could be. And yet you look at it and you say, yeah,

630
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: but he is an elite level coach that knows and

631
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: understands the game, and that translates no matter whether you're talking.

632
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: You know, like look at ted Lasso. Ted Lasso was

633
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: a college football coach that then took the principles of

634
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: coaching and ego massaging and translated that into British soccer

635
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: and then like could take that down into now allegedly

636
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: or apparently coaching youth soccer. Sometimes the principles of coaching

637
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: translate from whatever series, whatever level, whatever sport you're talking about,

638
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: and North Carolina was banking on that, obviously. But he

639
00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: goes there and it looks like a little and it

640
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: looks like just the kind of thing that makes Belichick Belichick,

641
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: and why like we love to hate him, and the

642
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: fact that he comes out and he gets petty and

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00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: he says, I'm not going to let the New England

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Speaker 1: Patriots scouts and representatives of the New England Patriots in

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00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: my facility here in Chapel Hill. Why you ask, because

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00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: I don't think i'd be welcome back at theirs. Okay, fine,

647
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: and you look at that and you go, yeah, great, Jake,

648
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Speaker 1: why are you mentioning this on Indianapolis Radio? You mentioned

649
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: today that this is a multi layered show. I didn't

650
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: think that one of the layers was going to be

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Speaker 1: something that is a jacket that I haven't even put

652
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: on before. I don't care about North Carolina football. I

653
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: certainly don't care about the Patriots. Totally get it. But

654
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Speaker 1: what it symbolizes is, look at today's college football culture,

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Speaker 1: look at today's college football climate, college athletics in general.

656
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Speaker 1: Today's college athlete is go going to and selecting schools

657
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: in the vast majority of circumstances for one of two reasons.

658
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: They are trying to get paid or they're trying to

659
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: get to the league, whether that be the NBA or

660
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: the NFL, whatever it may be, they are trying to

661
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: turn professional. A track athlete at Oregon is going to

662
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: Oregon because they have the Nike Track Complex there. They

663
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: have the history of track and cross country there with

664
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Speaker 1: Prefontaine and everything else, and that is going to give

665
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: them the best chance to become a professional Nike runner.

666
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: That is then going and running in Codder and you know,

667
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: around the world in different elite level running championships and

668
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: Nikes got them on the payroll. Their best introduction to

669
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: that is to go to Oregon. For example, if you

670
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: are a top flight player in high school football right

671
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: now and you are looking at where you want to go.

672
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: The University of North Carolina hired Belichick not just because

673
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: they think this guy has football x's and o's like

674
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 1: a savant, but because they would assume that he has

675
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 1: the connection to get players to the NFL, and that's

676
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: going to increase their recruiting net. That's going to make

677
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: players say, I want to go to North Carolina because

678
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: he has all kinds of connections in the NFL and

679
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: I want to get to the league. I want to

680
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: get to the league. Do you think that they're worried

681
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: about North Carolina as like social you know, social work program,

682
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: or history academics, or their mathematic program. Maybe in some cases,

683
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: but for the most part, most of the players that

684
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: are going in the college level are going because they

685
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: have eyes on the NFL and they're going to the

686
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: place that's going to springboard them. And North Carolina just

687
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 1: assumed that Belichick would be able to do that and

688
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: get those players and funnel that pipeline. And now, if

689
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: you are a player, you're looking at it and you

690
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: are saying, wait a minute.

691
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 2: Already.

692
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: The only thing I know is that he is selecting

693
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Speaker 1: and choosing which NFL players are even going to have

694
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: access to me or not players which NFL scouts. Why

695
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 1: would I go somewhere If I'm a top level quarterback

696
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: that's going to be a freshman at North Carolina, I

697
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: may have zero interest in the New England Patriots per se,

698
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: but I want to make sure that I'm getting an

699
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: opportunity to show myself to scouts of every franchise in

700
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: the NFL. Why am I going to want to go

701
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: play for a coach that is limiting which scouts can

702
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 1: and can't come around and watch me practice, I want

703
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: my resume on the LinkedIn that's getting the most clicks.

704
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: And I think a little bit of that. Look at

705
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: it at Indiana with Mike Woodson. I think the thought

706
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: process was with Indiana, for example, We're going to get

707
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: Mike Woodson in here, and Mike Woodson's going to come

708
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: in and he is going to get a bunch of

709
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: players because he coached in the NBA, and therefore players

710
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: are going to want to come play for him because

711
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: he's got all these ties to the NBA. And then

712
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: what you found out was when Mike Woodson got there

713
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: that you know, allegedly or depending on who you believe,

714
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 1: that he was in terms of a multi layer Wednesday,

715
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: some of the layers of his skin were a little thin,

716
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: and that started to lead to to an extent, I'm

717
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: not going to say that he was keeping out NBA franchises,

718
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: but I don't know how much. In his recruiting process,

719
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: for example, he was in touch with what the demands,

720
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: what the requirements, what the needs were for young players

721
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: and relationships with their coaches and everything else. And so

722
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: Indiana found out that when they opted for Mike Woodson

723
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: and got rid of Archie Miller, who Yeah, I mean

724
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: that was an experiment. Also, that's like this weird era

725
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 1: that we almost forget about. But the grass wasn't always

726
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: so greener. And so then they went and they're like,

727
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: we've got to go back and get a coach that

728
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: has a track record not just of being able to

729
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: massage those relationships but build talent of players once they're here.

730
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: And it remains to be seen whether Deviz is going

731
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: to be that guy or not. But I think I

732
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: just think that what you are seeing right there in

733
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: the form of Bill Belichick is that even with the

734
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: most brilliant of football minds, sometimes that can get clouded

735
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: by being in a world and living in a world

736
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: where time passes you by, and in terms of what

737
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: kids are going to want from him in his program,

738
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 1: his digging his heels in the sand with a petty

739
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: vendetta against an NFL franchise shows a lack of touch

740
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: of what young people want. And in today's world of

741
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: college athletics, every coach has to navigate that. And it

742
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: is true that it is the athletes that are stirring

743
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: the drink now, not the coaches, and the power belong

744
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 1: and the athletes because they're the one with the name,

745
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: they're the one with the image, They're the one with

746
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: the likeness, and that's what the schools now have to feed.

747
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: Be that fair or not.

748
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: There's another story in sports that I think I have

749
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: an unpopular opinion and I need speaking of that the

750
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: advice of the younger audience, mainly the two that are

751
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: sitting right here with me, but also you folks as well.

752
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you something that I saw and

753
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, Am I the only that saw

754
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: this this way? And I don't even wear glasses but

755
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 1: the ones that I'm wearing apparently are clouded. I'll explain next.

756
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: I'm back in the back of my mom's car. Are

757
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: we going to play Somebody's Knocking at the Door? Next

758
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: by Paul McCartney and Wings.

759
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 4: I'll do better in the next hour. I'm just trying

760
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 4: to think of what I can play, and this is

761
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 4: all that comes to mind.

762
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, wow, okay, uh okay.

763
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: Here is I have a couple of ja Querrey's sports rules,

764
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: which I've laid out before. Okay, a couple of rules

765
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: in life to live by, and one of them comes

766
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: into play right now, and then I think that I'm

767
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: literally I'm like, I think I'm I think I'm the

768
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 1: old guy here or not not even the old I'm

769
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: not even gonna say, oh guy, I'm It seems an

770
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: unpopular opinion what I'm about to say. But I have

771
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: a couple of rules. Rule number one to live by

772
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: in life. And you guys can jot this down if

773
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: you'd like. If you're driving in the car, is you know,

774
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: certainly be careful, just maybe recorded on your phone. But

775
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: these are important rules to live by. Number one, never

776
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: be the oldest person in the bar's That's probably the

777
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: number one rule to live by. Just never be the

778
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: oldest person in the bar period. If you live by

779
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: that rule, there are a lot of things that just

780
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: fall off of that and it makes perfect sense and

781
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: you're avoiding yourself a lot of trouble. Don't be the

782
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 1: oldest person in the bar. Number two, as it relates

783
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: to sports, if you go to a Major League baseball game,

784
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: or for that matter, a professional baseball game, so you

785
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: know the indianapos Indians count here. Obviously, if you go

786
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: to a baseball game, you were not to wear a

787
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: glove if you're over the age of twelve, un less

788
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 1: and less you are accompanying a child under the age

789
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: of twelve, at which point you are expected to wear

790
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 1: a glove along with the kid, because then that's fun.

791
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 3: Eddie, you disagree, I still disagree.

792
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 2: You would amend that.

793
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 3: How the adult still no glove child? Yes, under the

794
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 3: age of twelve. If you're an adult taking your kid, No,

795
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 3: you don't need to wear your glove.

796
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 6: No.

797
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 2: No, So.

798
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: Okay, you're saying no glove whatsoever, right, and I would

799
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 1: say over the age of fifteen.

800
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: Okay.

801
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: But either way, here's the other rule. This is an

802
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: important one. Okay, after the age of twelve. Well, no,

803
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: that's after the age of I'll say, Actually, I'll go adult,

804
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 1: so twenty five.

805
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 2: I'll say twenty five.

806
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 1: After the age of twenty five, unless you are a company,

807
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: unless you are there with a young person. If you

808
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: catch a foul ball, that foul ball gets designated to

809
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: a pre selected kid in the area that doesn't know

810
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: that he's been selected. No, but when you go to

811
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: the game, if you see a young kid with a

812
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: glove sitting near you, then it is your responsibility if

813
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: you catch a foul ball to soak in the glory

814
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: of it for a second and then hand it to

815
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: the kid.

816
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 3: Another caveat if you like myself, if you've never caught

817
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 3: a foul ball at a game, then no, I've.

818
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: Never been near a foul ball, but I still would

819
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: do that.

820
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 3: You're also at a different stage in your life than

821
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 3: I am. I would love to keep it as a.

822
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: Your close to twenty five rules so you get some.

823
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 3: Now is this on top of your mind because of

824
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 3: what happened earlier this week?

825
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: So let me explain what happened. I believe it was

826
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: actually technically in Miami.

827
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 2: Was it not?

828
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: Or was it against my Oh? But the viral video

829
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: is this, and I'm just going to put it in

830
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: simplistic form. Player hits a home run. Home run lands

831
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 1: near a woman who I believe had a child with her.

832
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: Man from a couple of rows, over comes running over

833
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: he also has a kid, gets the ball and then

834
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: goes and gives it to his son. Woman then goes

835
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 1: in protest, confronts said man, and essentially shames him into

836
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: giving the ball back to her in a very like

837
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: temperamental fashion, very Karen like understood. Karen's my mom's name, though,

838
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: So I gotta be careful. But here is where I

839
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: think I'm in the unpopular opinion. Ball was on the ground,

840
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: by the way, Okay, it sounds like she caught it.

841
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: Here's my unpopular opinion.

842
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: She's in the right.

843
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: He basically comes down and takes the ball away from

844
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: her right. He's I mean, Jake, the ball's on the ground,

845
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: nobody's claimed it. She didn't catch it, she has no kids.

846
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: She's reaching down. I think she did have a kid

847
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: near her, did she not? No, it was just it

848
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: just looks like it's her and her husband. Okay, in

849
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: that case, I thought she said she was getting it

850
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: for her kid. But she's reaching down for the ball

851
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: when he comes in and basically it is very clearly

852
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: in her area, in her operating area. I think he

853
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: kind of looks like.

854
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 3: My favorite part, Jake, is when she goes over to

855
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 3: confront the guy. He's like, what, oh, he looks like

856
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: he just saw a ghost iever. He absolutely looks like

857
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 3: he just saw balls on the ground. It's free three game,

858
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 3: and it's not like he was doing it for himself.

859
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 3: He was doing it for his son. He was going

860
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 3: to get the ball for his son.

861
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 2: I get it.

862
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: I totally get it, because the kid is involved. That

863
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: changes the dynamic a little bit. But he he vacates

864
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: his area. He's in Illinois and he comes over into

865
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: the middle of Indiana to take the.

866
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 3: Ball, chake the balls on the ground. It's free games.

867
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 3: She hadn't claimed it her husband, and she was reaching

868
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 3: down for it though it's still free game. Jake, Okay, it's.

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00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: I would think amongst adults, it would be an understood

870
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: that because it's directly in front of her, she should

871
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: be given the opportunity to reach down and pick it up.

872
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 3: It's not like you and your siblings when you're you know,

873
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 3: you're approaching the car and someone Neil shotgun.

874
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: Why do you think he was so startled when he

875
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: went back over and she confronted him. I think part

876
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: of it is because he's like, look how far away

877
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: she had to come to confront me, which is the

878
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: same distance he had to go to get the ball.

879
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 3: I think she was so startled because it's like, what

880
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 3: in the world you're approaching me? Like, what are you doing? Okay,

881
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 3: you didn't have the ball. I didn't have the ball.

882
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 3: I walked over there, I grabbed the ball. I gave

883
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 3: it to my son, Jake. It was the guy's son's birthday.

884
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 3: Is she supposed to know that?

885
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 7: No?

886
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: I mean no, But I mean, if you're the guy

887
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: you got to win out of this, you're not being

888
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: well he now this guy now stuff. The guy now

889
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: apparently has like come out publicly and said, like, hey,

890
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: like pump the brakes here. I guess people are like

891
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: showing up at her house. And I mean, she's it

892
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: is funny, she's become a meme and whatever. But but

893
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: when I first saw it, I mean, look, did she

894
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 1: overreact maybe, But when I first saw it, I was like, yeah,

895
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: I mean the entire thing is precipitated by the fact

896
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: that I believe he came into her neighborhood. I think

897
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: he came into her neighborhood and then and took something

898
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: off the driveway, and she went and got it back.

899
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 3: You're out a game, Jake. You have no neighborhood. If

900
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 3: there's an open seat next to you, you can move

901
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 3: wherever you'd like. The ball's on the ground, nobody's claiming it.

902
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 3: It's your ball.

903
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: Now, I will say this, I will say I'm gonna

904
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: give a caveat to my own rule that if it

905
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: is a if it is a landmark, home run for

906
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: a player like a five hundred home run, all bets

907
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 1: are off. I will agree to that. Back into the colts,

908
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: by the way, big news from earlier today, we'll let

909
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: you hear from Shane Steichen next. By the way, I

910
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: always and I always love this one. Jake, you don't

911
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about because you don't have kids. Okay, again,

912
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: I mean I get that, But at the same time,

913
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: it's my understanding the woman was getting the ball that

914
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: laid right before because she wanted to give it to

915
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: wait for it her kids. And secondly, my entire like

916
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: point about baseball games is based upon it being for kids.

917
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 3: Right, Like you you.

918
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 1: Let kids wear a glove to the game. You wear

919
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: a glove to the game. If you're with a kid,

920
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: when you get to a game and you look around,

921
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: you find it. And if you are an adult that

922
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: is there without children, you look around for the kid

923
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: that you would give the ball to if a foul

924
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: ball comes to you.

925
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's just common courtesy, right, I mean,

926
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 4: if you were a kid, make your day, make your month,

927
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 4: of course, I mean, yeah, you're soaking the glory for it.

928
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: Now, I will admit it changes the dynamic a little

929
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: bit if it is in fact, like you know, if

930
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: you're there and it's Kyle Schwarber's five hundredth career home run,

931
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I get it. There are elements of that that,

932
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: you know, you start getting into monetary value. Shane Steiken

933
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: talked earlier today with the Colts about the Colts situation

934
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: upcoming with the Miami Dolphins, and I'm going to go

935
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: back to what I said off the top of the show,

936
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: and that is when you look at game number one,

937
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, getting set for the Denver Broncos and coming

938
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: off the Miami Dolphins, if you look at that game

939
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: against Miami. And I don't know the answer to this.

940
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: I don't and I don't know that we'll know it

941
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: in maybe until late October. But it happens every year.

942
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: It happens every year in the National Football League where

943
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: we have over reaction Monday. All you have to do

944
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: is look at for example, our Chicago's Pizza Quarrying Company

945
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: Fantasy football league. Myself, I went out immediately yesterday and

946
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: picked up two players off free agency because I'm like,

947
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: uh oh, big week one for that guy. I gotta

948
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: go get it. Uh Oh, This guy didn't perform for me,

949
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: I gotta drop him. It's one week, but I'm guilty

950
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: of it. And fantasy football, to a great extent, is

951
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: responsible for two things in the NFL. Number One, it's responsible,

952
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: I think, for widening an already huge fan base because

953
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: of the fact that it allowed for people that normally

954
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: weren't diehard football fans to get invested and all of

955
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: a sudden, now they had a reason to watch games

956
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: and whatever else because they wanted to make sure that

957
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: they won their league or beat their husband's team, or

958
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: their wife's team, or their coworkers team, whatever it might be.

959
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: That's thing one that fantasy football has done. Number two

960
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: that fantasy football has done is it has allowed, I think,

961
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 1: to an extent, and this is true of fantasy basketball, baseball, whatever.

962
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: Fantasy sports in general. Has allowed for us to see

963
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: the challenge that teams have because you are you're allowed

964
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: so many wide receivers and then wait a minute, I

965
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: need to pick up a running back and well, wait

966
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: a minute, this running back got hurt.

967
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 2: And now what am I going to do?

968
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: Because I was my team was doing great, and now

969
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 1: I've got And yes, it's fantasy, it's not reality, there's

970
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: nothing about it that's real except for the perspective that

971
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: it offers, and it does somewhat offer a real perspective

972
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: as to the challenges that go into a team, including overreaction.

973
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: So maybe we overreacted about Week one against Miami. Maybe

974
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: we overreacted to this defense looks amazing under Lou and Roumo.

975
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 1: Maybe we overreacted to Daniel Jones is going to have

976
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: a Sam Darnold Baker Mayfield lease on life situation of

977
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: energy pumped into him and now a confidence bolster that

978
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: comes with new surroundings, new offense, new technique, et cetera.

979
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: Maybe we overreacted to that, or maybe we will look

980
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: back in October and say Miami was terrible, that's the

981
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: worst team in the league.

982
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 2: Or it could be.

983
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: That we're overreacting to that narrative and that Miami actually

984
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: is a decent team and the Colts made them look bad.

985
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: And the pump the brakes is where we are overreacting

986
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: because we need to keep it at the same level

987
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: of acceleration of build on this. We don't know the

988
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: answer to many of those things. What we do know

989
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,720
Speaker 1: is this, and you learn this in fantasy sports.

990
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 2: You learn that.

991
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: Each week you've got to look at your roster and

992
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my gosh, what happened my fantasy team?

993
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 1: Like I was doing great and then I completely space.

994
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 1: My tight end was on a buy and I didn't

995
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: get a change made, and so I lost eleven points

996
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: and then guess what, my team got beat by nine. Okay,

997
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: And so you learn that having to monitor all the time,

998
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: all areas of your team are important, and that is,

999
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: of course true. That is one of the offerings that

1000
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 1: gives us a microcosm, and I mean it's a microcosm

1001
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: of the realities of the NFL. But each usually Tuesday

1002
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: and Wednesday, depending on the which availability it is, how

1003
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: much information they have, how many injuries they have, the

1004
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: head coach meets with the media and gives updates on

1005
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 1: status of players. And for the Colts themselves, you have

1006
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: I think for the most part, they came out of

1007
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: Week one in pretty good shape. Now and I'm you know,

1008
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor, is there something going on there? Well, they

1009
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: haven't said anything. He did not finish the game, but

1010
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: he didn't need to, so it is he a little

1011
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: bit dinged up because he got dinged up on a

1012
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 1: play and then didn't return. I don't know that hasn't

1013
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: been clarified. I personally think that we're going to look

1014
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: back and say, you know what, we didn't realize this,

1015
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 1: but now we can tell you that this was going on. Okay,

1016
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: and you know he's going to We're going to lighten

1017
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: the load whatever it might be. But let's get to

1018
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: the defensive backfield situation. If you look at the defensive backs,

1019
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 1: you look at the secondary for the Colts, I think

1020
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: pretty good unit. Matter of fact, a testament to the

1021
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 1: equality of the unit is the fact that Juju Brnce

1022
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 1: and I know that that was a health issue, but

1023
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: Juju Brinz didn't make this roster. And I think Juju

1024
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 1: Brnce is a big athletic guy that they would have

1025
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: loved it, but there just wasn't. They ran out of

1026
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: time on that and obviously he was claimed, so other

1027
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: teams do see that he has some potential about him.

1028
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: But if you look at the secondary for the Colts

1029
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: as it stands going into the year, okay, and what

1030
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 1: you would anticipate given every single week being your fantasy

1031
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: lineup as it is healthy and everybody good to go

1032
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: in that situation, your corners are Shaverius Ward, who is

1033
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:28,439
Speaker 1: an experienced, upgraded, proven player on one side, of course,

1034
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 1: and then xaviing Howard on the other side, with Jalen

1035
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: Jones being a guy that can spell either way. Well,

1036
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: now you're in a unique situation. Kenny Moore is your nickel. Okay,

1037
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: so you're in a unique situation. And then you got

1038
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: blackman coming in and helping out Kenny Moore. But here

1039
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 1: is Chris Ballard earlier when answering the question about the

1040
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: availability for example of Charvarius Ward who went into the

1041
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: concussion protocol and then Jalen Jones, who we knew was

1042
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: nursing a sore hamstring, one injury that had already plagued

1043
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: him at the beginning of camp. But listen closely, because

1044
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: he's asked about Shaverius Ward. Is Shane Steichen and he

1045
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: answers that question, and in terms of information, it's a

1046
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: buy one, get one.

1047
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 7: He will not he'll be in the protocol and we'll

1048
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 7: see the week ghost zones. While yeah, he's going.

1049
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 3: To be out for a while.

1050
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 2: I don't have a timetable on it, but he'll be out.

1051
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 8: For a while.

1052
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 2: Okay.

1053
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: That was James Boyd asking that follow up question about

1054
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: Jalen Jones. So now you look at it ward in

1055
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: concussion protocol, Let's say he's not able to go Jones

1056
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 1: out for a while, not able to go Xavian Howard

1057
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: you would feel pretty good about. But we'll get to

1058
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: that because there's something to be said there as well. Okay,

1059
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: and then you have black Ben that for example, if

1060
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: Kenny Moore is now all of a sudden gonna have

1061
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: to play, you know, and fill in at one of

1062
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: the corner spots, Blackman's got to move up a spot

1063
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: as well, right, And this becomes kind of that domino

1064
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: effect of what takes place with having to move guys around.

1065
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: So let's talk about Blackman and whether or not he

1066
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: is ready. Then if his number is called and Kenny

1067
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: Moore gets more reps on primary everyday downs, Blackman then

1068
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: has to slide into the nickel role or play perhaps

1069
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: depth at one of the corners. Question is this is

1070
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: a guy that they basically got at the end of camp,

1071
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,399
Speaker 1: They made a trade for him at the end of camp,

1072
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: came from Minnesota. And here is Shane Steichen on whether

1073
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: he thinks Blackman's ready to go.

1074
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, No, I thought he did a great job coming in.

1075
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 7: He put in the time, put in the work. He

1076
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 7: was always in with the dB coaches. Jerome Henderson, he

1077
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 7: spent a lot of time with him. I walked past

1078
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 7: his office when he signed him. He was in there

1079
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 7: all day, every day learning the system. So credit to him,

1080
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,479
Speaker 7: Credit to Jerome and Chris getting him up to speed

1081
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 7: as fast as possible.

1082
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 2: Okay.

1083
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,919
Speaker 1: And when he's talking about Chris, by the way, they've

1084
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,720
Speaker 1: got a couple of defensive back coaches, and Chris Hewett

1085
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: is another one that works within the secondary. He's the

1086
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: overall secondary coach. And then Jerome Henderson there that you

1087
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: heard that works with corners.

1088
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 2: Okay.

1089
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: Now, so then the question becomes with this room that

1090
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: we thought was a room where they had good depth

1091
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden it's a little bit depleted.

1092
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 1: Steichen's thoughts on the cornerback room in general good.

1093
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 7: I mean, we got guys in there that we feel

1094
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 7: confident in. Whoever's on that field, we've got, you know,

1095
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 7: faith in, and they got to be ready to go.

1096
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 7: You know, if he's not able to go, we got

1097
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 7: to those other guys step up.

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00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: Now I get it, and I believe him when he

1099
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: says that, because I do think that credit to Chris Ballard.

1100
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: Chris Ballard has done a good job of building depth

1101
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: at this position, but it's already being tested. And the

1102
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,760
Speaker 1: thing to me that is curious is this the guys

1103
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: that we just mentioned. Jonathan Edwards, undrafted free agent, didn't

1104
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: know where Westfield, Indiana was three months ago except for

1105
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: the fact that he played at Indiana State, so he

1106
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 1: probably had some friends from Westfield. Okay, Xavien Howard again

1107
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: not on the roster, not one that you expected at

1108
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: the end of last year was going to be a

1109
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: part of this defensive backfield black Men we just talked about,

1110
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: and Jalen Jones who has been dinged up with injury

1111
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: and is still out for a while now. My point being,

1112
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: this is a unit that, while I give them credit

1113
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: and thank goodness, they've built some depth within it, it

1114
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: is still faces and names that are relatively unfamiliar overall

1115
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: with the grand scheme of things. But you have a

1116
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: defense with a coordinator.

1117
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 2: That is new.

1118
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: Lou Anrumo is new to everybody. His defense is new

1119
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: to everybody, and how you work off of your teammates

1120
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: within your particular unit.

1121
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 2: Also new.

1122
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: To everybody, and corner is one spot that I think

1123
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: you can most airdrop a guy in and on short

1124
00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: preparation he can play at a pretty high level compared

1125
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: to say, if you were to put in a right

1126
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: guard or a tight end or a receiver, just because

1127
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: I think the language, the lingo, the responsibilities. In terms

1128
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,439
Speaker 1: of how much you are reliant upon what your other

1129
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: teammates are doing, you are more on an island as

1130
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: a corner than probably any other position. But the other

1131
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: thing that I can appreciate, and I've grown to appreciate

1132
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: this over time, Shane Steikeen has a unique ability to

1133
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: answer questions without saying anything. Caleb, I'm gonna give you

1134
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: the task here. I want you to ask me a

1135
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: question about anything in life and I'll answer it like

1136
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: Shane steiken anything going on in the world. Let's not

1137
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: keep it political but or let's not go political, but

1138
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: anything in the world going on, sports wise, other teams,

1139
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: whatever going on. Just ask me a question of something

1140
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: going on in the world right now, that's topic, and

1141
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: I'll answer it like Shane Steikeen.

1142
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 4: Uh Hey, coach Shane steike In. Caleb'suverer of one oh

1143
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 4: seven five of the fan. What are your thoughts on

1144
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 4: the Cowboys missing Michael Parsons. Do you think it's a

1145
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 4: good trade, bad trade?

1146
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 2: What do you think? Yeah, good trade, good player.

1147
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 8: You know.

1148
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 2: Obviously those guys, you know, they they know what they

1149
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 2: got to do.

1150
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: That's guy with energy, I mean, gets in there, mix plays,

1151
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: you know, and and and and they're gonna know what's

1152
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: best for their program. I think he's a great player.

1153
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: I think green Bay got a great player there. But

1154
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: at the same time, you know, Dallas they got a

1155
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: lot of depth, and you gotta trust the process. And

1156
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: I think they trust the process. They know and they've

1157
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: done their work, They've done their homework, and uh, I

1158
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: think it works out for both teams. Okay, I asked

1159
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: me something else that that's not to do with football.

1160
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 8: And.

1161
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 4: Let's see here, Uh what do you Uh can I

1162
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 4: still stick with sports.

1163
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 2: And anything in the world. Anything?

1164
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 4: Just go ask question boom go uh chain stike in

1165
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 4: what's your favorite uh state capital in the United States?

1166
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 2: Well, good question.

1167
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: Lots of them to choose from, you know, and obviously

1168
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: you know they all got all got highs, all got lows.

1169
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you look at Cheyenne windy like

1170
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: the wind you know Cheyenne and and the high Plateau

1171
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: there and then you know Tallahassee, big building. But you know,

1172
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: we got to look at it. I mean, I've been

1173
00:59:58,600 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: a lot of them, not not to all of them.

1174
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: So we got to look at it. And and we'll

1175
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: take a look at that. And but I you know,

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01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: i'd say Indianapolis. I mean we're here in Indiapolis, like

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01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: Indianapolis State Capitol, beautiful building right next to our building.

1178
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 2: And uh, you know, we look to pack it like

1179
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 2: he is the master.

1180
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: He is the master and answering the coach speak one

1181
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: on one, but you can you have to navi. So

1182
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is with that, you have to then

1183
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: tiptoe through and navigate and find little things where he's

1184
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: giving you a little information.

1185
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 2: And where we aired. Where I aired.

1186
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 1: Was so I'm not going to throw everybody else under

1187
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: this bus.

1188
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 2: Where I aired was the fact that when if you look.

1189
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: At each time he was asked about the quarterback situation,

1190
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 1: he told you everything you needed to know. He didn't

1191
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: say the names, but he told you everything he needed

1192
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: to know you needed to know. And when he is

1193
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: saying right there, for example, he was asked about Ward

1194
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: and he just said he's in the protocol and that's it.

1195
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I get that he probably doesn't know much

1196
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: more than that at this point. But when he's asked

1197
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: about Blackman and he starts and I go back to this,

1198
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: I just think this is such a critically important aspect

1199
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: of when Shane Steiken says things.

1200
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 8: He does.

1201
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: He gives you the coach speak one oh one, but

1202
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: there is consistency in sometimes the narrative of what he

1203
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: is saying. And when he's talking about Blackman there and

1204
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: when he's talking about the defensive backfield there, what does

1205
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: he keep going back to preparation, the room, the film room, reps, commitment.

1206
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: He keeps saying those things, and he doesn't say that

1207
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 1: about every player, So when there are players that he

1208
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: doesn't say it about, you can read between the line.

1209
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: And I know that he was very high on the

1210
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: physical attributes of Anthony Richardson, and I know that he

1211
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: was vociferous through the draft process apparently or allegedly within

1212
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: the room of the intrigue of Anthony Richardson.

1213
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 2: And I know that he.

1214
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: Managed to kind of reinvent Jalen Hurts.

1215
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 2: And I know that he.

1216
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 1: Actually, I think got a pretty decent contract for Gardner Minshew.

1217
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 1: And I think now Shane Steiken is looking at and

1218
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 1: somebody sent me this yesterday, Ron sent me this. I

1219
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: think it was and it's a brilliant point. By going

1220
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones, Shane Steiken is gambling, not on Daniel

1221
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: Jones and not against Anthony Richardson, but Shane Styken is

1222
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: game mbling on himself because he knows the time is

1223
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 1: ticking for him, and he knows. He looks at it

1224
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 1: and he says, I've got to go with the quarterback

1225
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: here that I feel I have the best opportunity to

1226
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 1: awaken and to jumpstart and to get going. And in

1227
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: doing that, I've got to go with the quarterback that

1228
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: I'm the most comfortable with. And what defines comfort for

1229
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: Shane Steichen in the room, working with coaches, commitment, see

1230
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 1: him in the hallways, and what does he keep telling us?

1231
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 1: And what did he keep telling us about Anthony Richardson?

1232
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: He kept saying to us, not not even necessarily as

1233
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: an indictment on Richardson, but in the praise elsewhere, Well,

1234
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: the thing about Jones or the thing about this quarterback competition,

1235
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 1: I want somebody that it's part of the entire operation.

1236
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: I want somebody that sees all of this in terms

1237
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: of everything from the huddle to the room, to the

1238
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: hallway to being the first in and the last out.

1239
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: And it's one thing. Sure we all know people like this.

1240
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: They punched the time clock and then nobody knows where they.

1241
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 1: You know, everybody worked at that grocery store in high

1242
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 1: school where there's the one guy that's like, yeah, did

1243
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 1: you hear you know John was punching the time clock

1244
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: and then going and taking a nap in the paper

1245
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: towel rolls in the stock room and then coming back

1246
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 1: four hours later and punching out and nobody knows he

1247
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: wasn't there. You know that kind of thing. You get

1248
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: people to go through the problem, just go through the

1249
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 1: motion of it. And I think Stichen has basically been

1250
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: telling us now that that's what that he didn't feel

1251
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 1: Richardson was doing those other things, and he's utilizing that now.

1252
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 1: It's it's seeped into him explaining to us with other

1253
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 1: players what it is that he likes. He is screaming

1254
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 1: the message to us, and I aired and not hearing

1255
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 1: the message because I got caught up in all the noise, right,

1256
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: and I wasn't just listening to the core message.

1257
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 2: And now what you have is.

1258
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 1: I think the message that now we shift to is

1259
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: now that we know that it's Daniel Jones. He is

1260
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 1: saying to us, I need somebody that is all in

1261
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: on the process and being a leader from in all

1262
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: areas and aspects, because I Shane Steichen was brought here

1263
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 1: to be a quarterback whisperer, and if as a quarterback whisperer,

1264
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 1: I'm still speaking too softly for the quarterback that I

1265
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 1: was thought to be awakening to hear it, then I

1266
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: have to go with the guy that actually at least

1267
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:49,439
Speaker 1: has hearing aids and can figure out what I'm saying.

1268
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: And I believe that's Daniel Jones. And I believe that

1269
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones will give me the best opportunity to call

1270
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 1: a game that benefits the quarterback, that utilizes the weapons

1271
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 1: that we have, that allows us to win games, and

1272
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 1: allows me to keep my job. I'm not saying his

1273
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 1: job this year is like right on the razor's edge,

1274
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: but I think he knows the NFL stands for not

1275
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 1: for long. And if you look at that game, against Miami,

1276
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: and you look at the way Shane Steiken strategized that game.

1277
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 1: He offered for us the blueprint, and the blueprint is

1278
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: you come out in a game, you establish Tyler Warren,

1279
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 1: you get him going, You make it very clear this

1280
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: is the guy that we're going to punch you in

1281
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: the mouth with. And then once you adapt your defense

1282
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 1: to take away that middle area where Tyler Warren is

1283
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: roaming around, then we're going to take advantage of the

1284
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: areas where you just softened yourself. And we're going to

1285
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: utilize Jonathan Taylor, and we're gonna utilize Michael Pittman, and

1286
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna utilize even Alec Peers and even Adie Mitchell.

1287
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: That's what the game plan is. And then we're going

1288
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: to once we get a lead. And yes, it's a

1289
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: lot easier to maintain and hold on to a lead

1290
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 1: theoretically with Miami or maybe even Denver than it's going

1291
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 1: to be if you're playing Kansas City or Baltimore Buffalo.

1292
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: I get that, but in these games, I mean, hoon,

1293
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 1: does Houston have an offense that blows you away? Does

1294
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 1: Tennessee have an offense that blows you away? Does Jacksonville

1295
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: have an offense that blows you away. You want to

1296
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 1: win your division games first, and you're seeing the blueprint

1297
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 1: right now. He is spelling it out for you, because

1298
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 1: that's what Shane Steiken does. He speaks coach speak, and

1299
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 1: he says the same thing over and over. But the

1300
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 1: message is there, and that message is sort through and

1301
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 1: find the finite message of what I'm saying, and that

1302
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: is that the blueprint of how we're going to play

1303
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 1: is we are going to be a team that is

1304
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: winning organizationally. And what you saw against Miami is exactly

1305
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 1: that they went out, they did what they needed to do,

1306
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: they got the lead, and then once they did, you

1307
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 1: let lou Ana Arumo turn that defense loose, You roll

1308
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 1: with it, You hold on to that lead, and you

1309
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 1: keep your offense in such a fashion that Miami never

1310
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: was able to get back in that game. And I

1311
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 1: think they're going to try to do the same thing

1312
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 1: against Denver. Try an hour from now. By the way,

1313
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 1: Debbie Antonelli joins us on the program, and we will

1314
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 1: preview for you what we're going to discuss with her,

1315
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:36,719
Speaker 1: because is this now have we shifted with another sports

1316
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 1: team in town from Moral victories to let's see where

1317
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:45,640
Speaker 1: things lie, or are we just planning seeds that we

1318
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 1: hope to water a year from now? I'll explain next.

1319
01:08:52,560 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 1: So let's put this in a PACER's language. Weird to say,

1320
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 1: I realize, especially when comparing the Pacers to the Fever.

1321
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,640
Speaker 1: Even though they are under the same ownership umbrella, they

1322
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 1: are two different franchises, two different things, you know, two

1323
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 1: different genders for that matter.

1324
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 3: But Jake, we get Pacers basketball in a month.

1325
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 2: It's crazy, isn't it?

1326
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 6: I know?

1327
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 1: And the regular season will begin what in six weeks?

1328
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: Seven weeks?

1329
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 3: I yeah, they end the next month. Win total thirty

1330
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 3: seven and a half. By the way, I'm telling you

1331
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 3: right now, are you in the Jeff record thinking where

1332
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 3: he's got them at fifty plus?

1333
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 2: Do you know who? Do you know who? Edwin Moses is?

1334
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:38,680
Speaker 3: Yes? Yes I do.

1335
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: By the way, there are a lot of areas where

1336
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: Jeff and I have in common when it comes to

1337
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 1: fifty plus, But I don't know that the win total

1338
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 1: prognostication will be one of them.

1339
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:47,640
Speaker 3: He's a former Olympian, isn't he not?

1340
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 1: Edwin Moses is perhaps the most impressive Olympian of all time.

1341
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 1: He was a hurdler that had he didn't lose, since obviously, Eddie,

1342
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,120
Speaker 1: you have pulled him up on the Wikipedia, which is

1343
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: all knowing.

1344
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:01,640
Speaker 3: No, I did not.

1345
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 1: Edwin Moses did not lose a I'm looking at your

1346
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 1: face a hurdling battle in like ten years something like that.

1347
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 1: He had an incredible record. But I think personally that

1348
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: the Pacers having to go for an over of thirty

1349
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 1: seven and a half is like Edwin Moses having to

1350
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:30,560
Speaker 1: clear two pieces of lego in a hurdle that is

1351
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 1: the easiest over to leap of all time. The Pacers

1352
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:38,640
Speaker 1: are going to win, now, fifty is very bullish, but

1353
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:42,680
Speaker 1: I think they do. I think they clear forty two

1354
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 1: to forty five. Jake, you think the Pacers clearing the

1355
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 1: thirty seven and a half. It's like you giving a

1356
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 1: bad analogy, like he wants to show at some point, Yes,

1357
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:55,639
Speaker 1: that's correct, Okay, I just look and I will admit.

1358
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 2: It is so.

1359
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 1: Easy to forget that Tyree's Halliburton's out. I mean, because

1360
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 1: you think about it and you go, okay, so they

1361
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: lost Miles Turner and oh wait a minute, I forgot

1362
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:11,680
Speaker 1: Halliburton's out as well. So it's a team, But they

1363
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 1: still have Pascal Siakam. Yes, his it's changed a little

1364
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 1: bit in the way that teams are going to guard him.

1365
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 1: You still have anderwdim Hart. Yes, it changes a little bit,

1366
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 1: although nim Hart is a guy that when he has

1367
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 1: had to be a focal point, he's had big games.

1368
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 1: But can he do that night in night out. You're

1369
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 1: gonna get a lot of points from Benedict Mathern. You know,

1370
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 1: they still have good pieces there, you know, aaron Ne

1371
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 1: Smith obviously I think the world of but there are

1372
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 1: question marks for sure. But I think they do go

1373
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 1: forty two. I mean I think they become this past

1374
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: seasons Orlando Magic and how many games did Orlando win.

1375
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess they won forty two. They were like

1376
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 1: a seven seed.

1377
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:01,640
Speaker 3: They were also like does some with injuries the entire year, right,

1378
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 3: Paula Benco miss time, Franz Wagner miss time, No Wagner

1379
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:07,680
Speaker 3: towards Aco and they still won.

1380
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 1: What was their record? Do you have the record in

1381
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 1: front of you.

1382
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 3: I'm pulling it up now.

1383
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:14,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to guess it was forty to forty five somewhere.

1384
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:17,639
Speaker 3: In there, right, Orlando Magic forty one and forty one.

1385
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 1: Bingo clear as easily thirty seven and a half. But

1386
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,560
Speaker 1: here's the point I was trying to make, and you

1387
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 1: illustrated it well there, Eddie. The Pacers this year, when

1388
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:37,440
Speaker 1: you look at the injuries and the personnel, the benchmark

1389
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:40,640
Speaker 1: of what you consider to be a success is in

1390
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 1: fact different than it was this time a year ago.

1391
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 1: This time of year ago, they were coming off of

1392
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 1: the playoff run with the Knicks and into the Eastern

1393
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 1: Conference finals, and you know, wow, Halliburton's really emerging as

1394
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: a star. And now that they siakam, they've gotten accustomed

1395
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 1: to that, and let's see what they can do. And

1396
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 1: they got out to a slow start because Nie Smith

1397
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 1: and nim Hard were out and we later learned how

1398
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 1: incredibly important those two guys are. And once it all

1399
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 1: came together, I mean, that was as fun a team

1400
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 1: as this city has ever seen, and the city fell

1401
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 1: in love with them. The Indiana Fever going into now

1402
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: the postseason. After last night's win over Minnesota, we knew

1403
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 1: they were going to be in the postseason regardless, but

1404
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 1: that is a nice win over one of the best

1405
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 1: teams in the league. But for the Fever, because they

1406
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 1: are a team that has been decimated by injury. If

1407
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,639
Speaker 1: the Pacers make the playoffs next year, it's a win,

1408
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 1: and anything above that's gravy. If the Pacers win forty

1409
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 1: one games next year, or let's say go forty four

1410
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 1: and thirty eight and get into the playoffs, and then

1411
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, let's say they get bounced in six

1412
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 1: games by second seed in Cleveland. I think most people

1413
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:10,600
Speaker 1: would be like, yeah, I'll take that. That's cool. But

1414
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 1: if Halliburton had not gotten hurt, and even if Turner

1415
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 1: had left. But if you have Halliburton and they go

1416
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: forty four and thirty eight and get bounced in the

1417
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 1: first round, it literally is like people are crying in

1418
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 1: the streets. Your expectations change based on the personnel and

1419
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 1: the flow of your season. So for the Fever now

1420
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:36,640
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs and now going into the postseason,

1421
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:38,799
Speaker 1: in what I think there is a lot of parody

1422
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 1: within the WNBA and one of the better teams that

1423
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 1: is expected to win the WNBA Minnesota, as a team

1424
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 1: that Indiana has multiple wins against this year, even when

1425
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 1: hurt by injury. The question is which expectation is there

1426
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 1: now for the Fever. Are we going with with the

1427
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 1: expectation of hey, mission accomplished, with everything they went through

1428
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 1: this year, with everything they went through this year, and

1429
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 1: I saw some national prognosticators that we're talking about, like, oh,

1430
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 1: they're trying to ruin Caitlin Clark and they're penalizing Caitlin

1431
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 1: Clark because players don't like her and all that. That's

1432
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 1: the dumbest load of crap I've ever heard. Don't waste

1433
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 1: my time. Don't sit here and insult my intelligence. My

1434
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:29,600
Speaker 1: intelligence didn't very high anyway, but don't insult my intelligence

1435
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 1: when you are air dropping in watching something from thirty

1436
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 1: five thousand feet away. Don't waste my time. This team

1437
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 1: has been decimated by injury. They have had to go

1438
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: with multiple options and variations and combinations in their back court.

1439
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 1: They have plugged in different players, some of which worked,

1440
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 1: some of which did not. Question, is Eddie is this

1441
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 1: and think about this and give me the answer on

1442
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 1: the other side and we'll further discuss and Debbie Antonella

1443
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 1: joining us two thirty Is this now for the Indiana

1444
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:03,759
Speaker 1: Fever mission accomplished or does the work just begin.

1445
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 2: Now? I'd like to know.

1446
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, on the text line, this one doesn't have

1447
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 1: a name on it. Jake, I love your show, but

1448
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 1: you're being the get off my lawn guy right now?

1449
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 1: That was at one time. What were we talking about

1450
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 1: at one twenty where I was saying get off my lawn.

1451
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 4: I don't know that was during the Shane Stichen conversation,

1452
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 4: but he could be hearkening back to the foul ball conversation.

1453
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1454
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 3: Maybe that person was driving and they waited to get

1455
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 3: to their destination before. That's sending off the text.

1456
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 4: We support safe driving around here, we do.

1457
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:48,600
Speaker 1: Hey, Jake, it's Lord of the flies at that baseball's

1458
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 1: on the ground, Okay, first first come, first serve on

1459
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 1: the ball. I just think, like, it's just weird like

1460
01:16:56,400 --> 01:17:01,600
Speaker 1: people that. Yeah, the lady probably reacted, but the dude, like,

1461
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:05,600
Speaker 1: I mean, she was basically from what the way it

1462
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:07,599
Speaker 1: looked to me was that she As a matter of fact,

1463
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:10,720
Speaker 1: if you listen to the people around her, if you've

1464
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 1: seen the different angle, there are people around her that

1465
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 1: are yelling at him. They're like, hey, man, like she

1466
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 1: was like reaching down to get the ball and you

1467
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 1: like came storming in and took the ball and ran

1468
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 1: off with it. But either way, we move on. Okay,

1469
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 1: So Eddie the for the Fever. Yeah, is it mission

1470
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 1: accomplished or is there is this a clean slate and

1471
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 1: now the season is going to be defined based on

1472
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 1: what they do in the postseason. Season will not be

1473
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:41,599
Speaker 1: defined on what to do in the postseason.

1474
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 3: JK. Will only make this season much more memorable, maybe

1475
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,719
Speaker 3: than what it already is. I was talking with Caleb

1476
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:52,600
Speaker 3: just during the break. Kind of reminds me of, you know,

1477
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 3: the Washington Commanders last year, in the sense of, there's

1478
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:59,480
Speaker 3: this team that probably shouldn't have made it into playoffs,

1479
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 3: that's in the playoffs. So it makes them that much

1480
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 3: more difficult to defeat because they're playing for nothing. They've

1481
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:08,680
Speaker 3: got nothing to prove. They're just going to go out

1482
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 3: there and be scrappy, be resilient, be tough, all those

1483
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 3: things every night, and it makes it hard for the

1484
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 3: opponent because they have all the pressure on them. The

1485
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 3: Indiana Fever in this scenario are the Washington Commanders. They

1486
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 3: have no pressure on them going into this playoff series.

1487
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 3: Whomever they get, whomever they face, and they can go

1488
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 3: in there play their style of basketball, be free about it.

1489
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:32,639
Speaker 3: Now have any sort of pressure during the entire thing

1490
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 3: and more than likely Jake. Depending on which team you

1491
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 3: get between Las Vegas and Atlanta, there's a chance that

1492
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 3: one of those two road games in Atlanta could feel

1493
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 3: like a somewhat home game just because there are so

1494
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 3: many Fever fans now across the WNBA.

1495
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 1: But those Fever fans are there primarily to see Caitlin Clark.

1496
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 3: Right, agreed, but they're still I mean, the Fever are

1497
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 3: still their Ember one team in attendance, despite Caitlin Clark

1498
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 3: missing thirty one games this year, and that's home and away.

1499
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 2: Fair enough, I would agree that at this point it is.

1500
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 1: I mean, look, maybe I'm living on the high of

1501
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:28,560
Speaker 1: the Pacers run. You know that PACER's run to me

1502
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:33,679
Speaker 1: was a little bit liberating and because of the fact,

1503
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 1: and I had this discussion the other day with somebody,

1504
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 1: and I've made a lot of this, I've mentioned this

1505
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 1: a lot, but to give it the perspective, I became

1506
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:48,680
Speaker 1: so robotically programmed and conditioned in this job to not

1507
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 1: allow sports fandom to influence the way I go about things.

1508
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:58,640
Speaker 1: And the way that I did that was maybe I

1509
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 1: just didn't trust myself enough from a professional standpoint, But

1510
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: when I was covering games to allow my objectivity to

1511
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:09,639
Speaker 1: be that of which I was able to responsibly break

1512
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 1: down or discuss games. Especially when I worked in television,

1513
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 1: you just set aside a rooting interest. It's I don't

1514
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:20,840
Speaker 1: know how to explain it other than you know, it's

1515
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 1: like a doctor if you ask them like if blood

1516
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 1: grosses them out, and they'd probably say, like, well, yeah,

1517
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 1: like in a movie, yes, but not when I'm working,

1518
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:29,679
Speaker 1: because it's just you're in that's the environment you're honed

1519
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 1: in on. But that Pacers run this year, and I

1520
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 1: think I made the declaration on this show ahead of

1521
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 1: time that I was setting aside that objectivity. I just

1522
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 1: was going to relinquish it and be a fan and

1523
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 1: make no bones on this radio show about the fact

1524
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 1: that I was coming at it from a fan perspective,

1525
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:50,759
Speaker 1: and I asked the patients and forgiveness of the audience

1526
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 1: of that. But to an extent, it was okay because

1527
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 1: everybody in the city was caught up and the fandom

1528
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 1: was what made that so much fun for even like

1529
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:02,720
Speaker 1: people that aren't die her Pacer pans, I think they

1530
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 1: got engrossed in the fun of that run. Pardon the pun.

1531
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 1: See I'm rhyming, gosh, But with the fever, I think

1532
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 1: a little bit of learning how to see and embrace

1533
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 1: and celebrate the positives of something instead of always critiquing

1534
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:27,600
Speaker 1: it from the other side has carried over from me

1535
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 1: a little bit with the fever, because number one, I

1536
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 1: see people that get enjoyment out of the fever that

1537
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 1: didn't previously watch women's basketball or even basketball a lot

1538
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 1: in general. Yeah, and number two, the if you really

1539
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 1: look and I understand if you were somebody nationally, for example,

1540
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 1: that didn't watch every game or they didn't follow them

1541
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 1: every game. And yes, I have respect for Stephanie White

1542
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 1: and have known her for a long time. And so

1543
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 1: maybe that this clouds the clarity of me being able

1544
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 1: to determine said things of what I'm about to say.

1545
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 1: But I actually look at this as gravy because I

1546
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:15,920
Speaker 1: think it is so impressive what this franchise has overcome

1547
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:19,840
Speaker 1: this year. I mean, no matter what team you're talking about,

1548
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:27,800
Speaker 1: the Colts, the Pacers, the Denver Broncos, you know, when

1549
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:31,599
Speaker 1: you are going through the year playing the better half

1550
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:36,639
Speaker 1: of the year with your main quarterback, your main point guard,

1551
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 1: your main ace pitcher out and then seemingly each player

1552
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 1: that you were bringing in to fill that void, hoping

1553
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 1: to get eighty to ninety percent the same level of production,

1554
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 1: they get hurt. And each time that you have to

1555
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 1: then go even further down the depth chart of whether

1556
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 1: your own roster or the cast offs of another roster,

1557
01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:01,679
Speaker 1: or whatever it may be, to find that replacement. Each

1558
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 1: time you do that, you're dropping another eight to ten

1559
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:06,400
Speaker 1: percent of production. And now all of a sudden you've

1560
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:08,560
Speaker 1: got players playing where you're like, we're just hoping to

1561
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 1: get sixty percent of what we're just getting. We're just

1562
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 1: sixty percent of what we initially had at that position.

1563
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 1: And yet with that, they still and I know they

1564
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:21,640
Speaker 1: had their struggles and there were games they lost that

1565
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 1: were ugly, but for the most part, you know, what

1566
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 1: they did and able to on the fly continue to

1567
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 1: have to reinmit themselves just to get into the postseason

1568
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 1: and not let it collapse underneath them, to me, was impressive.

1569
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 1: And anything here on now is gravy. But that again,

1570
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:50,880
Speaker 1: if they were totally healthy, that would not be the

1571
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:54,720
Speaker 1: case at all, but they're not. And I you know,

1572
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:58,000
Speaker 1: back to the Pacers and the thirty seven and a

1573
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:00,600
Speaker 1: half for next year. I just keep forgetting. And I

1574
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 1: don't mean to sit here and remind everybody of the

1575
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:04,560
Speaker 1: obvious and hit you with a frying pan with it.

1576
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 1: But I think the Miles Turner loss of him going

1577
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 1: to Milwaukee was such a shock to the system and

1578
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 1: so unexpected and out of nowhere that it usurps the

1579
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 1: fact that Tyrese Haliburton got hurt. You almost forget about

1580
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 1: the fact that there's no Halliburton because you think, like, yeah,

1581
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 1: they're not going to be that bad.

1582
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 2: They lost Miles Turner, but.

1583
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 1: They still have yeah, And then you're like, oh, gosh,

1584
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 1: I forgot. I just keep forgetting. And part of it,

1585
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:41,680
Speaker 1: too is Halliburton is such a unique energy and personality

1586
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 1: anyway that he's out and about now and you're seeing

1587
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 1: him and he has not missed a beat in terms

1588
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:53,760
Speaker 1: of his infectious optimism and radiance, and so when you

1589
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:56,599
Speaker 1: see him, you forget he's hurt and you're like, oh, gosh,

1590
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 1: that's right.

1591
01:24:57,160 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 3: Well, not to mention Jake, They've got the depth that

1592
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 3: thinks to be able to, you know, withstand some of

1593
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 3: that departure. You think they can. They think they can hodgepodge,

1594
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:10,519
Speaker 3: you know, on a nightly basis the center position and

1595
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 3: finding production from a collective group effort between whomever ends

1596
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:19,640
Speaker 3: up being Jahif, Isaiah Jackson, James Wiseman, Tony Bradley, and

1597
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 3: then you're hopeful that Andrew Nemark he managed the game,

1598
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:26,360
Speaker 3: and Benedict Mathern takes a step forward, Jaris Walker takes

1599
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 3: a step forward.

1600
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:30,559
Speaker 1: Here's the Here's the thing. There's another thing that comes

1601
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:34,720
Speaker 1: into play with that when you look at and it

1602
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 1: is the burning question of the Pacer season. There's a

1603
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:41,799
Speaker 1: burning question. There was a burning question about the Colts

1604
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 1: going into this offseason, you know, three months ago when

1605
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 1: they when they reported to Westfield, there was a burning

1606
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 1: question about the Colts season. And we started to get

1607
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 1: an answer on that burning question. And in reality, there

1608
01:25:56,880 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 1: is a burning question when it comes to the Pacers season.

1609
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 1: And it has nothing to do with the health of

1610
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 1: Tyres Haliburton and his timeline, and it has nothing to

1611
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 1: do with Miles Turner. But there is a burning question.

1612
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 1: I'll answer that and we'll get back into what Shane

1613
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 1: Steiken talked about in terms of a subtraction, if you will,

1614
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 1: for the Colts next. So we were talking about the

1615
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:27,799
Speaker 1: Pacers and the Colts.

1616
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 3: Now he's playing more of Rtune's Jake.

1617
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 2: That is correct.

1618
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 1: Nice work there, Okay, this is one of my favorite

1619
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 1: songs of all time for the Pacers. There's a burning

1620
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 1: question coming up this year, and I have a feeling

1621
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 1: in Sometimes speculation can be dangerous because speculation can turn

1622
01:26:54,320 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 1: it into fact if you're not careful. For example, I'll

1623
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 1: go with a more esoteric reference. Robert Schwartzman. And many

1624
01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:10,320
Speaker 1: of you, when I hear that you're like Robert Schwartzman,

1625
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:12,000
Speaker 1: how do I know the name Robert Swartzman. Wherever I

1626
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:15,559
Speaker 1: heard the name Robert Schwartzman. Robert Schwartzman was the polsitter

1627
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:17,880
Speaker 1: this year for the Indianapolis five hundred mile race, and that,

1628
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, was the and I don't

1629
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:22,280
Speaker 1: mean this in a bad way. I mean that's a

1630
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 1: pretty good highlight. That was the season highlight for Robert Schwartzman.

1631
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:29,719
Speaker 1: For certain, Premier Racing is the team for which he drives.

1632
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 1: He was teamed with Calum Ilot. He was born in

1633
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 1: Tel Aviv. He was the first driver to be born

1634
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 1: in Israel to make the Indianapolis five hundred and he

1635
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 1: does so as a rookie on poll and there were

1636
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 1: a lot of storylines behind that, and he had an

1637
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 1: incident on Pitt Road where his race kind of went awry.

1638
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:49,720
Speaker 1: And I mean he didn't have a terrible race. He

1639
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:51,400
Speaker 1: finished in the middle of the pack in the five hundred,

1640
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 1: and then over the course of the rest of the

1641
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:55,600
Speaker 1: year had a couple of moments here and there, but

1642
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 1: for the most part was you know, he was out

1643
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:02,439
Speaker 1: there and he was the I don't know, the Kansas

1644
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 1: City Royals, you know, I mean good games, bad games.

1645
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:10,640
Speaker 1: But there was this narrative with Robert Schwartzman amongst the

1646
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:12,880
Speaker 1: Indy Car Paddick and amongst the circle of like, yeah,

1647
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:15,880
Speaker 1: Schwartzman doesn't like it here, and Prema is getting ready

1648
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:17,760
Speaker 1: to make a bunch of changes and he's probably gone

1649
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:22,320
Speaker 1: next year. And Robert Schwartzman just sent a post that says,

1650
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 1: and I'm paraphrasing it, look, I want to address something here.

1651
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:29,040
Speaker 1: Everybody is saying I'm unhappy here. Everybody is saying I

1652
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 1: don't want to return. I've never said any of that.

1653
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed it, I found it welcoming. I enjoyed the

1654
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 1: challenge of the racing series here. I enjoyed the Indy

1655
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 1: five hundred. I had a great experience, I had a

1656
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:40,840
Speaker 1: great year, and I plan on and want to be

1657
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:42,759
Speaker 1: back next year. All of this, by the way, jis

1658
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:44,880
Speaker 1: with everything Robert Schwartzman told me over the course of

1659
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:49,599
Speaker 1: the year. And so Schwartzman is basically saying, I don't

1660
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:54,479
Speaker 1: know where this narrative came from that I am not

1661
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:56,360
Speaker 1: going to be back next year, But it didn't come

1662
01:28:56,439 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 1: from me. And I think there are certain burning questions

1663
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 1: about both the Pacers and the Colts that we can

1664
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 1: look at and say that popular narrative or common perception

1665
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:17,839
Speaker 1: becomes a fact from everybody except for those that actually

1666
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:20,839
Speaker 1: are the ones that are making the influence of said decision.

1667
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:26,080
Speaker 1: And let's begin with the one for the Pacers. I

1668
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 1: think most people on the street would tell you that

1669
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 1: they believe this year the Pacers offensively are going to

1670
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:39,439
Speaker 1: heavily rely on Benedict Mathern, and that Benedict Mathern is

1671
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:42,760
Speaker 1: a guy that in particular, as you saw last year

1672
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:48,479
Speaker 1: in the finals in Game four, notably, actually in game

1673
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 1: my games all get confused here, which one is the

1674
01:29:54,439 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 1: game that they So it was game number three that

1675
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 1: they which one's the one that he won them the

1676
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 1: game Eddie was at Game three. I'll go back home

1677
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 1: either way. Either way, there was a game in the

1678
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 1: finals where Bennett Matheren was very big for Indiana and

1679
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 1: made big play after big play, but he did so

1680
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:22,880
Speaker 1: almost like in isolation from the way that they typically

1681
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 1: run offensively. That was Game three, right, yeah, Game three.

1682
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:27,880
Speaker 1: He was very big in Game three and they won

1683
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 1: that game to go up two games to one, and

1684
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:34,760
Speaker 1: it was like, this is tremendous how this guy has

1685
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 1: played and he has kept them in this game. But

1686
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:43,080
Speaker 1: when Matherin is carrying you in the game, you are

1687
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 1: kind of riding the back of Mathern and feeding that

1688
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:50,160
Speaker 1: as opposed to in the flow of that circular offense

1689
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:53,639
Speaker 1: so to speak, that they do where they are balanced

1690
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:55,800
Speaker 1: and Nie Smith gets red hot for a minute, and

1691
01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:59,120
Speaker 1: then Haliburton starts hitting shots, and then Turner was hitting shots,

1692
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 1: and then Siakim gets on the wing and you're just

1693
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:05,200
Speaker 1: spreading it around. When Matheren was scoring, it was wonderful,

1694
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:13,439
Speaker 1: but it requires more attention offensively, more intention and so

1695
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:16,680
Speaker 1: when you look at the Pacers this year, I think

1696
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:18,600
Speaker 1: there is the question that a lot of people have

1697
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 1: of are the Pacers going to ride Benedict Matherin this

1698
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 1: year because they want to develop Benedict Mathern as yet

1699
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:29,560
Speaker 1: another piece that they have once Haliburton comes back, and

1700
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:32,439
Speaker 1: once Siakam is towards the end of his contract, and

1701
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 1: Niece Smith you've got to figure out what you're doing

1702
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:37,040
Speaker 1: with that and nim Hard and wow, how awesome is

1703
01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:39,519
Speaker 1: it going to be to have this additional weapon that

1704
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:42,400
Speaker 1: now has all of his bearings about him because we've

1705
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:44,800
Speaker 1: seen glimpses of what he can do, and how good

1706
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:46,680
Speaker 1: is he going to be? And how good are they

1707
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 1: going to be if all of a sudden, now he

1708
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:53,360
Speaker 1: comes in and he is there like James Worthy, or

1709
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:59,439
Speaker 1: he is there Tony Kukoach, or he is there Ray Allen,

1710
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:02,920
Speaker 1: or that that when there are other stars, he's the

1711
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 1: guy off the bench that's making big time plays or

1712
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:11,040
Speaker 1: and this is the big question, are the Pacers going

1713
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:14,800
Speaker 1: to utilize this year for Benedict Matherin to make him

1714
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:17,560
Speaker 1: a big time scorer, to feature what he can do

1715
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:20,800
Speaker 1: in isolation, to show that he can be a twenty

1716
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:24,479
Speaker 1: to twenty two point per game score, and then flip

1717
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:28,439
Speaker 1: him into the proverbial twenty twenty five. Guy, are they

1718
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 1: getting ready to allow Benedict Matherin to audition what he

1719
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 1: can do so that they can then let every team

1720
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 1: in the league see it for a test drive before

1721
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:42,160
Speaker 1: they then go out and facilitate for him to be

1722
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 1: playing elsewhere. And are they getting ready to give him

1723
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:49,400
Speaker 1: all of those minutes? And Rick Carlisle has said, look,

1724
01:32:49,479 --> 01:32:51,880
Speaker 1: Matheren is our guy. He is a starter for us.

1725
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:54,479
Speaker 1: Let's just get this right out there. And that's great.

1726
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:59,280
Speaker 1: But the perception amongst most I think most people that

1727
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:01,880
Speaker 1: were at Game Abridge field House for game number six,

1728
01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:05,080
Speaker 1: I think most people who are planning this year and

1729
01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:08,200
Speaker 1: looking forward to the season, most of those people are

1730
01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:11,240
Speaker 1: under the assumption that Bennedict Matherin is the one that

1731
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:13,040
Speaker 1: is not going to be a long term player for

1732
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:18,479
Speaker 1: the Pacers. But you know who hasn't said that, Kevin Pritchard,

1733
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:28,679
Speaker 1: Chad Buchanan, Rick Carlyle, Bennett matherin perception could become a reality,

1734
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:32,439
Speaker 1: but we are assuming that that perception is fact.

1735
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:33,639
Speaker 2: It's not yet.

1736
01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:39,680
Speaker 1: But that's the burning question. That's the burning question is

1737
01:33:40,439 --> 01:33:42,560
Speaker 1: in which way are they going? Are they going to

1738
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:46,720
Speaker 1: groom and hand everything to matherin this year, either a

1739
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:53,679
Speaker 1: out of this season's necessity, be out of next season's luxury,

1740
01:33:55,160 --> 01:34:00,880
Speaker 1: or c out of showcasing it for someone else. That's

1741
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:03,840
Speaker 1: the question, and we don't know the answer to that now.

1742
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:09,040
Speaker 1: The Colts, on the other hand, we had this burning

1743
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:14,240
Speaker 1: question going into this season with Daniel Jones. Once he

1744
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:20,519
Speaker 1: was selected as the quarterback, then it became is Daniel

1745
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:24,480
Speaker 1: Jones the starting quarterback for the Colts out of necessity

1746
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:28,080
Speaker 1: for this season because they didn't think Richardson was ready

1747
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 1: to go yet out of luxury for next season because

1748
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:39,559
Speaker 1: it either grooms Anthony Richardson in showcases and leads by

1749
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:41,800
Speaker 1: example to where then all of a sudden it all

1750
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:46,879
Speaker 1: clicks and he's off and running. And while that happens,

1751
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:49,080
Speaker 1: you get benefit this year because you're winning games because

1752
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:53,080
Speaker 1: you have competency at the quarterback spot, or is it

1753
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:58,920
Speaker 1: coming at the showcase of someone else because you are

1754
01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:04,280
Speaker 1: either a get to let Jones become Sam Darnold and

1755
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:06,559
Speaker 1: then let him walk and somebody else, you know, gives

1756
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:08,360
Speaker 1: you something for him, or he signs you know, he's

1757
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:09,920
Speaker 1: a free agent at the end of the year, or

1758
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:14,839
Speaker 1: more importantly, because it allows you then to keep teams

1759
01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:20,040
Speaker 1: guessing as to Anthony Richardson, and maybe somebody then takes

1760
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:22,439
Speaker 1: a flyer on Richardson and gives you goods for him,

1761
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:25,840
Speaker 1: because you need Jones to play well if you are

1762
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:31,439
Speaker 1: looking to trade Anthony Richardson, If the Colts are looking

1763
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:33,880
Speaker 1: to trade Anthony Richardson, and I'm not saying they are,

1764
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:38,519
Speaker 1: but perceptions and reality, and the perceptions amongst a lot

1765
01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:42,000
Speaker 1: of people are that Anthony Richardson is a guy that

1766
01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:46,839
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts have moved on from. Chris Ballard says publicly,

1767
01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:49,280
Speaker 1: not the case at all. We have no interest in

1768
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:56,200
Speaker 1: trading him. But the rest of the fan base is

1769
01:35:56,280 --> 01:35:57,240
Speaker 1: convinced otherwise.

1770
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:01,040
Speaker 2: But the number one.

1771
01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:09,320
Speaker 1: Starting point for marketability of Anthony Richardson is a good

1772
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:14,360
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. How does that, Jake, How does that make sense?

1773
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:17,840
Speaker 1: If Daniel Jones is playing well, Anthony Richardson has not

1774
01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:23,439
Speaker 1: even seen the field, understood. But what if the Colts

1775
01:36:23,479 --> 01:36:26,880
Speaker 1: don't want Anthony Richardson to see the field anyway? What

1776
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:29,880
Speaker 1: if the Colts have seen in Anthony Richardson are like, look,

1777
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:36,160
Speaker 1: we tried everything, we tried everything. We we benched him

1778
01:36:36,160 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 1: after the helmet tap, we we benched him, you know,

1779
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:42,200
Speaker 1: and obviously he was hurt.

1780
01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:42,799
Speaker 2: I realized.

1781
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:45,920
Speaker 1: But like during OTAs we we mentioned, we kept using

1782
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:52,720
Speaker 1: words like organizational you know, awareness and starting in the

1783
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:55,280
Speaker 1: locker room and being the first one in and we've

1784
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:56,800
Speaker 1: we've done everything we can.

1785
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:00,559
Speaker 2: What if the Colts are over it.

1786
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 1: And they're willing to take whatever is offered for Anthony Richardson, Well, Jake,

1787
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:11,680
Speaker 1: how can Anthony Richardson's value increase if he's not on

1788
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:13,160
Speaker 1: the field, If he's not going to be on the

1789
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:16,320
Speaker 1: field either way, how bad does it look if he

1790
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:19,439
Speaker 1: can't meet out Daniel Jones. If Daniel Jones is going

1791
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 1: out there and he's looking like Davis Mills. The Colts

1792
01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:28,080
Speaker 1: need Daniel Jones to play well, not just because it

1793
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:31,439
Speaker 1: wins the Colts games this year, but because it also

1794
01:37:32,240 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 1: justifies why the great enigma of Hope is not on

1795
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:40,400
Speaker 1: the field and is so long as you can make

1796
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:43,679
Speaker 1: it look justified that Anthony Richardson's not on the field,

1797
01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:46,680
Speaker 1: then you can continue to intrigue other teams as to

1798
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:51,800
Speaker 1: what may be there. But if they literally are going

1799
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:53,880
Speaker 1: out and this was not the case in Week one,

1800
01:37:55,120 --> 01:37:58,160
Speaker 1: but if Daniel Jones starts to come back down to

1801
01:37:58,280 --> 01:38:02,840
Speaker 1: earth and look pedestrian and goes out there and looks

1802
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:05,600
Speaker 1: like and I'm trying to think of Eddie, give me

1803
01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:07,400
Speaker 1: the name of a quarterback that like, is one that

1804
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:09,719
Speaker 1: you're like, I can't believe this guy's still in the NFL.

1805
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:13,519
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying Joe Flacco, but a guy that

1806
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:15,320
Speaker 1: just you look at it and you go, that is

1807
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:17,639
Speaker 1: not a starting quarterback in the National Football League.

1808
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:19,200
Speaker 3: Well, Spencer Ratler.

1809
01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:20,200
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go.

1810
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:22,960
Speaker 1: If Daniel Jones is going out there and he looks

1811
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:27,040
Speaker 1: like Spencer Ratler, then other teams are gonna say, what

1812
01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:29,160
Speaker 1: in the world does that tell you about this guy?

1813
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:35,840
Speaker 1: Number five? He can't beat that out. And I think

1814
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:40,559
Speaker 1: Shane Steiken gets a ton of credit for not only

1815
01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:44,200
Speaker 1: recognizing and I know I'm a broken record when I

1816
01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:49,080
Speaker 1: say it, but he's been telling us this all along.

1817
01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:54,960
Speaker 1: I mentioned it earlier. Shane Steiken speaks in coach speak.

1818
01:38:56,720 --> 01:39:01,160
Speaker 1: But let me play for you to my point. When

1819
01:39:01,200 --> 01:39:03,759
Speaker 1: you talk about the situation that the Colts are currently

1820
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:11,160
Speaker 1: in in their defensive backfield, okay, and in their backfield they.

1821
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:14,120
Speaker 2: They have.

1822
01:39:14,479 --> 01:39:17,400
Speaker 1: Now we know Shavarius Ward is in the concussion protocol.

1823
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:19,439
Speaker 1: That's a totally uncertain future.

1824
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:20,439
Speaker 2: Who knows.

1825
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:27,439
Speaker 1: Where that goes, right, that's number one. So he came

1826
01:39:27,479 --> 01:39:30,679
Speaker 1: out and said, yes, Ward is still in the concussion protocol. Okay, fine,

1827
01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:34,559
Speaker 1: Jalen Jones, he said, is going to miss some time.

1828
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:36,479
Speaker 1: Doesn't know how long, but he's going to be out

1829
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:41,240
Speaker 1: for a while. Okay. So there's number two right.

1830
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:43,080
Speaker 2: Now.

1831
01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:46,120
Speaker 1: That means probably that Kenny Moore has to go away

1832
01:39:46,240 --> 01:39:48,360
Speaker 1: from the nickels, start to play more at corner. He's

1833
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:51,920
Speaker 1: capable of doing that. Then Blackman, who's your backup nickel,

1834
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:53,880
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden moves into that primary role.

1835
01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:56,160
Speaker 1: He's getting more reps. He's a guy that you made

1836
01:39:56,160 --> 01:39:58,360
Speaker 1: a trade for at the end of training camp, comes

1837
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:01,240
Speaker 1: in from Minnesota. Don't know as much about him. He

1838
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:04,720
Speaker 1: doesn't know. He's probably still wearing a name tag. But

1839
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:08,439
Speaker 1: Shane Steiken was asked about Blackman getting up to speed

1840
01:40:09,400 --> 01:40:11,439
Speaker 1: and listen to what he said, because I think there

1841
01:40:11,479 --> 01:40:12,519
Speaker 1: are a lot of clues here.

1842
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1843
01:40:13,080 --> 01:40:14,640
Speaker 7: No, I thought he did a great job coming in.

1844
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:16,720
Speaker 7: He put in the time, put in the work. He

1845
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:19,880
Speaker 7: was always in with the dB coaches. Jerome Henderson, he

1846
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:21,960
Speaker 7: spent a lot of time with him. I walked past

1847
01:40:22,040 --> 01:40:23,760
Speaker 7: his office when he signed him. He was in there

1848
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:26,479
Speaker 7: all day, every day learning the system. So credit to him,

1849
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:29,160
Speaker 7: Credit to Jerome and Chris getting him up to speed

1850
01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:30,160
Speaker 7: as fast as possible.

1851
01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:33,519
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what position it is or how far

1852
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:35,679
Speaker 1: down the depth chart or when a guy was acquired,

1853
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:39,200
Speaker 1: what Shane Stiken looks for as much as anything else,

1854
01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:45,040
Speaker 1: being in the room when I walked past in the hallway,

1855
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:50,439
Speaker 1: being there every day, all day, working with the coaches

1856
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:55,000
Speaker 1: and getting up to speed. I don't think that Anthony

1857
01:40:55,080 --> 01:40:57,400
Speaker 1: Richardson's a bad guy in any way, shape or form.

1858
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:02,000
Speaker 1: I have no evidence of that. I don't think Anthony

1859
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:05,880
Speaker 1: Richardson is an unintelligent guy in any way, shape or form.

1860
01:41:05,960 --> 01:41:08,679
Speaker 1: I have no evidence of that. No one has any

1861
01:41:08,720 --> 01:41:10,920
Speaker 1: evidence of that. I don't think either one of those

1862
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:16,840
Speaker 1: are true. But I think that Anthony Richardson, because of

1863
01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:19,479
Speaker 1: the natural gifts that he has, and because to an

1864
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:23,240
Speaker 1: extent of the situations that he was in prior to

1865
01:41:23,320 --> 01:41:27,519
Speaker 1: getting to the NFL, was never in a situation where

1866
01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:29,920
Speaker 1: he had to be in the building all day, every day,

1867
01:41:32,120 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 1: where he had to be in the coach's room all

1868
01:41:35,120 --> 01:41:38,479
Speaker 1: the time. So it's not to say that he bucks

1869
01:41:38,520 --> 01:41:41,000
Speaker 1: against doing it or has a problem doing it. He

1870
01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:44,400
Speaker 1: just before that it has never been conditioned in him

1871
01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:49,559
Speaker 1: and Shane Steichen, in talking about the defensive backfield today

1872
01:41:50,439 --> 01:41:53,479
Speaker 1: went back and again. For a guy that speaks coach speak,

1873
01:41:53,960 --> 01:41:56,960
Speaker 1: he tells us and sprinkles us hence about the way

1874
01:41:57,360 --> 01:42:00,880
Speaker 1: that he sees how things should go. And in doing that,

1875
01:42:01,120 --> 01:42:04,760
Speaker 1: he talks about the things that have nothing to do

1876
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:07,240
Speaker 1: with what we the fans, we the media, we the

1877
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:12,280
Speaker 1: season ticket buyers see. And when he announced Daniel Jones

1878
01:42:12,360 --> 01:42:17,280
Speaker 1: as the quarterback, he was rewarding those things of which

1879
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:23,000
Speaker 1: Shane Steiken emphasizes that have nothing to do with going

1880
01:42:23,120 --> 01:42:25,800
Speaker 1: through the proper checkdown, that have nothing to do with

1881
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:30,960
Speaker 1: precision and accuracy on a bubble screen, and has everything

1882
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:34,400
Speaker 1: to do with what he wants in terms of seeing

1883
01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:39,519
Speaker 1: the commitment and in going with Daniel Jones, he wanted

1884
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:42,400
Speaker 1: to reward the principles that he believes in which are

1885
01:42:42,479 --> 01:42:45,439
Speaker 1: those And in doing so, he knew that he was

1886
01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:51,919
Speaker 1: gambling on not Daniel Jones and not against Anthony Richardson,

1887
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:57,320
Speaker 1: but Shane Stiken was betting on himself because he was saying,

1888
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:02,120
Speaker 1: I was hired for this job because the belief was

1889
01:43:02,640 --> 01:43:06,040
Speaker 1: the track record is the area of expertise on my

1890
01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:10,880
Speaker 1: LinkedIn profile is I'm a quarterback whisperer. I can get

1891
01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:16,320
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts to flip a switch. I've worked with guys

1892
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:22,519
Speaker 1: that as young players, I've seen them develop, and I've

1893
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:25,400
Speaker 1: been brought to Indianapolis because we all know that they

1894
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:29,080
Speaker 1: are going to need to jumpstart the career of a

1895
01:43:29,200 --> 01:43:31,600
Speaker 1: young quarterback and I'm the guy that can do it.

1896
01:43:32,240 --> 01:43:34,920
Speaker 1: And he came in and for the first time he

1897
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:37,880
Speaker 1: worked with a quarterback that not due to ill intention,

1898
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:42,360
Speaker 1: not due to malice, maybe just due to immaturity. And

1899
01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:45,160
Speaker 1: I don't mean like throwing spitballs in meetings and making

1900
01:43:45,240 --> 01:43:47,760
Speaker 1: fart noises with his armpits. I mean an immaturity just

1901
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:51,880
Speaker 1: in terms of a lack of experience in what is

1902
01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:54,720
Speaker 1: expected of him and a lack of understanding of what's

1903
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:58,320
Speaker 1: expected of him. In Anthony Richardson and so Shane Sichin said,

1904
01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:01,160
Speaker 1: if I've been brought up to be brought in here

1905
01:44:01,240 --> 01:44:04,280
Speaker 1: to head coach in the National Football League because of

1906
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:07,360
Speaker 1: my expertise in dealing with quarterbacks, then I need to

1907
01:44:07,439 --> 01:44:12,280
Speaker 1: go with the one that gets the messages. And I'm

1908
01:44:12,360 --> 01:44:16,200
Speaker 1: going to bet on the fact that Daniel Jones I

1909
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:19,080
Speaker 1: can come up with game plans that allow him to

1910
01:44:19,240 --> 01:44:23,639
Speaker 1: succeed and reward him for the fact that he follows

1911
01:44:23,720 --> 01:44:26,240
Speaker 1: and adheres to the principles I'm trying to set as

1912
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:29,240
Speaker 1: the message for the totality of my roster. It's what

1913
01:44:29,320 --> 01:44:31,920
Speaker 1: I want to see out of my defensive backs, and

1914
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:33,559
Speaker 1: it's what I want to see out of my quarterback.

1915
01:44:33,800 --> 01:44:38,160
Speaker 1: And I can't go out and emphasize the importance of

1916
01:44:38,280 --> 01:44:40,439
Speaker 1: that and expect to see it out of my defensive

1917
01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:44,880
Speaker 1: backs when I have attrition taking place early in the

1918
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:50,000
Speaker 1: season in my secondary room, I can't then go out

1919
01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:54,920
Speaker 1: and expect those guys to be able to be up

1920
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:57,000
Speaker 1: to speed. If I'm putting a quarterback in that is

1921
01:44:57,120 --> 01:44:59,640
Speaker 1: not the shining example of what I'm trying to emphasize.

1922
01:45:00,120 --> 01:45:02,519
Speaker 1: I'm going to go with the quarterback that sets the

1923
01:45:02,720 --> 01:45:05,400
Speaker 1: example to the rest of the roster that he is

1924
01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:09,680
Speaker 1: doing the things that I want him to do. And

1925
01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:12,559
Speaker 1: then I'm going to go out in Game one against

1926
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:18,360
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins, and I am going to schematically set

1927
01:45:18,439 --> 01:45:20,920
Speaker 1: up my team and call the game in ways that

1928
01:45:21,160 --> 01:45:24,920
Speaker 1: benefit Daniel Jones, and I'm going to utilize my tight

1929
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:27,960
Speaker 1: end first and work everything off of that, and I'm

1930
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:30,719
Speaker 1: going to call the game so that I am working

1931
01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:33,960
Speaker 1: within the strength of Daniel Jones, because what I'm betting

1932
01:45:34,040 --> 01:45:36,360
Speaker 1: on is not that Daniel Jones can do it. I'm

1933
01:45:36,439 --> 01:45:41,200
Speaker 1: doing every single move possible to exhibit that I, Shane Steichen,

1934
01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:44,920
Speaker 1: am still a quarterback whisperer, and I believe that I

1935
01:45:44,960 --> 01:45:47,960
Speaker 1: can get the most out of this particular quarterback versus

1936
01:45:48,040 --> 01:45:52,040
Speaker 1: the other one, and that's where my job security lies.

1937
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Speaker 2: And so I'm doing it.

1938
01:45:53,400 --> 01:45:55,360
Speaker 1: This is the guy that I'm picking, and it's not

1939
01:45:55,560 --> 01:45:58,880
Speaker 1: the popular pick and it's not the expected pick, but

1940
01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:02,080
Speaker 1: it's the one that best allows me to exhibit the

1941
01:46:02,240 --> 01:46:04,760
Speaker 1: principles I have and the knowledge I have as a coach,

1942
01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:07,840
Speaker 1: and therefore that's where I'm going with it. And I'm

1943
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:10,880
Speaker 1: betting on myself to get the most out of Daniel

1944
01:46:10,920 --> 01:46:15,040
Speaker 1: Jones and justify my decision. And it's for that reason

1945
01:46:15,120 --> 01:46:19,559
Speaker 1: that I believe. And I again, things in the National

1946
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:21,600
Speaker 1: Football League, not for long can change one week to

1947
01:46:21,640 --> 01:46:27,519
Speaker 1: the next. I totally get that, but I personally believe that,

1948
01:46:27,720 --> 01:46:31,280
Speaker 1: barring injury, he is going to be the guy all year,

1949
01:46:31,960 --> 01:46:35,360
Speaker 1: even if he struggles and he may have a bad game.

1950
01:46:35,400 --> 01:46:37,240
Speaker 1: He may come out against Denver and all of a sudden,

1951
01:46:37,320 --> 01:46:40,840
Speaker 1: We're like, what in the world happened? What in the

1952
01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:44,400
Speaker 1: world happened? Last week we had Daniel Jones and this

1953
01:46:44,479 --> 01:46:46,519
Speaker 1: week we had Burt Jones. Problem is we had the

1954
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:48,720
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five version of Burt Jones, and he was

1955
01:46:48,760 --> 01:46:50,080
Speaker 1: the quarterback in nineteen seventy eight.

1956
01:46:50,439 --> 01:46:51,040
Speaker 3: What happened?

1957
01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:54,400
Speaker 1: That may be the case, and if that happens, I

1958
01:46:54,520 --> 01:46:56,840
Speaker 1: think when they can come back against Tennessee, even if

1959
01:46:56,920 --> 01:46:59,599
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones has a disastrous week too, he is still

1960
01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:03,439
Speaker 1: the starter of Week three because I think Shane Stikeen

1961
01:47:03,479 --> 01:47:06,280
Speaker 1: at this point has just said I've tried everything. I

1962
01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:12,000
Speaker 1: literally I tried a bullhorn. I tried a big neon

1963
01:47:12,240 --> 01:47:15,800
Speaker 1: sign out on West fifty sixth Street to get the

1964
01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:18,080
Speaker 1: message across, and it didn't come across, and I ran

1965
01:47:18,120 --> 01:47:23,120
Speaker 1: out of time. And I'm betting on this guy. But

1966
01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:25,680
Speaker 1: the burning question for the Colts coming into this year

1967
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:27,599
Speaker 1: was not only who was going to be the quarterback,

1968
01:47:27,720 --> 01:47:30,280
Speaker 1: but was it going to be the quarterback long term?

1969
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:35,559
Speaker 1: Is Daniel Jones Benedict Mathern, Is Daniel Jones the quarterback

1970
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:38,160
Speaker 1: that they are putting him out there, and they are

1971
01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:42,120
Speaker 1: getting the reps because they feel it's best advantageous for

1972
01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:45,360
Speaker 1: them as a luxury for the future or simply out

1973
01:47:45,360 --> 01:47:49,160
Speaker 1: of necessity for the now that they then flip into

1974
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:53,760
Speaker 1: more for someone else with Richardson, and that's where Mathron is.

1975
01:47:55,680 --> 01:47:56,000
Speaker 2: The fever.

1976
01:47:56,120 --> 01:47:58,719
Speaker 1: Last night against Minnesota getting a big win. Eddie Garrison

1977
01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:00,839
Speaker 1: was on both the pre and post game. Debbie Antonelli

1978
01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:02,920
Speaker 1: going to join us just a couple of minutes from

1979
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:06,040
Speaker 1: now to talk about exactly that. But Eddie, that was

1980
01:48:06,160 --> 01:48:09,760
Speaker 1: a game that you knew right away, and you get

1981
01:48:09,800 --> 01:48:12,840
Speaker 1: games like this, yep, where you know right away from

1982
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:15,320
Speaker 1: the get go, okay, this is going to be a

1983
01:48:15,400 --> 01:48:17,840
Speaker 1: big night. And I thought it was impressive when they

1984
01:48:17,880 --> 01:48:19,200
Speaker 1: jumped out to I think it was a ten tozzing

1985
01:48:19,320 --> 01:48:24,679
Speaker 1: lead Minnesota, whether that storm got it back to within

1986
01:48:24,760 --> 01:48:27,479
Speaker 1: a possession or two, and then Indiana went on another run.

1987
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:31,160
Speaker 1: I thought their answer and their bounce back on multiple

1988
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:32,879
Speaker 1: occasions last night was impressive.

1989
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:35,680
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it was in. Yeah, Minnesota cut up to

1990
01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:37,960
Speaker 3: four the start the third quarter, and it just felt

1991
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:40,880
Speaker 3: like Minnesota was checked out in that game. Like man

1992
01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:43,559
Speaker 3: if the ones he locked up, they know they can't,

1993
01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:45,600
Speaker 3: you know, obviously improve the record at all, and a

1994
01:48:45,680 --> 01:48:48,760
Speaker 3: piece of Collier's out because the restinger Djne Carrington is

1995
01:48:48,840 --> 01:48:51,360
Speaker 3: quote unquote injured with the shoulder injury. So a lot

1996
01:48:51,439 --> 01:48:53,240
Speaker 3: of the players on the floor last night from Minnesota

1997
01:48:53,280 --> 01:48:56,400
Speaker 3: were just going through the motions and the Fever capitalized

1998
01:48:56,439 --> 01:48:58,479
Speaker 3: on it. They were able to push the ball up

1999
01:48:58,520 --> 01:49:02,760
Speaker 3: the floor quick and fast and as Stephanie White calls

2000
01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:05,439
Speaker 3: at point five basketball, and they were able to get

2001
01:49:05,479 --> 01:49:07,160
Speaker 3: a win go into the playoffs on a high note.

2002
01:49:07,160 --> 01:49:09,800
Speaker 3: They've won three consecutive games, four of their last five,

2003
01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:12,400
Speaker 3: and right now they're a team that you probably don't

2004
01:49:12,400 --> 01:49:14,800
Speaker 3: want to face. And if you're Indiana, you're hoping it's

2005
01:49:14,840 --> 01:49:17,000
Speaker 3: set Land Dream and not the Philosophagas Aces, because that's

2006
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:19,640
Speaker 3: probably the team you actually don't want to face in

2007
01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:20,240
Speaker 3: the playoffs.

2008
01:49:21,120 --> 01:49:24,000
Speaker 1: Debbie Antonelli is a show favorite and joins us next

2009
01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:29,400
Speaker 1: favorite guest of the program, Debbie Antonelli. Of course you

2010
01:49:29,439 --> 01:49:31,320
Speaker 1: see her television work when it comes to the w

2011
01:49:31,640 --> 01:49:34,840
Speaker 1: NBA and the Indiana Fever Fever in the playoffs. Now,

2012
01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:38,400
Speaker 1: the regular season wrapping up, they ended with a strong

2013
01:49:38,479 --> 01:49:41,920
Speaker 1: win over the Minnesota Links last night. Debbie Antonelli joining

2014
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:46,880
Speaker 1: us on the always busy and shockingly unsponsored guest line. Debbie,

2015
01:49:46,920 --> 01:49:48,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to begin with this. You thought I was

2016
01:49:48,920 --> 01:49:50,960
Speaker 1: bringing you on to talk about the fever, and we're

2017
01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:52,400
Speaker 1: going to get to that. You thought I was going

2018
01:49:52,439 --> 01:49:54,519
Speaker 1: to bring you on to talk about the WNBA. We're

2019
01:49:54,520 --> 01:49:56,800
Speaker 1: going to get to that as well. But the most

2020
01:49:56,840 --> 01:49:59,680
Speaker 1: important topic at hand is this, and that is the

2021
01:49:59,760 --> 01:50:02,920
Speaker 1: last time that we talked, we had talked about and

2022
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:05,320
Speaker 1: I had you on along with John Wheeler, our friend

2023
01:50:05,479 --> 01:50:07,800
Speaker 1: from just to the southeast of here that is a

2024
01:50:07,840 --> 01:50:11,879
Speaker 1: special Olympic basketball player, won a national championship representing Indiana

2025
01:50:12,360 --> 01:50:15,720
Speaker 1: with a game winning shot years ago, and now was

2026
01:50:16,200 --> 01:50:19,040
Speaker 1: trying to put together a package to get himself to Minnesota.

2027
01:50:19,680 --> 01:50:24,280
Speaker 1: And you did a phenomenal job of spearheading a fundraising

2028
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:27,200
Speaker 1: effort for that. We got listeners involved as well, and

2029
01:50:27,439 --> 01:50:29,840
Speaker 1: it is my understanding that he in fact will be

2030
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:31,520
Speaker 1: on his way to Minnesota.

2031
01:50:31,680 --> 01:50:33,920
Speaker 3: Is that correct, Jake.

2032
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:35,560
Speaker 6: That's part of the reason why you're one of my

2033
01:50:35,720 --> 01:50:36,799
Speaker 6: heroes in Indiana.

2034
01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:39,519
Speaker 8: I just love that you lead with this because yes,

2035
01:50:39,640 --> 01:50:42,600
Speaker 8: he will be a part of the team delegation representing

2036
01:50:42,680 --> 01:50:47,479
Speaker 8: Indiana playing basketball and coaching basketball in Minneapolis next summer.

2037
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:49,960
Speaker 8: So yes, it's very exciting, right, thank you for your help.

2038
01:50:49,960 --> 01:50:52,800
Speaker 8: I want to thank the listeners that helped out John

2039
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:56,080
Speaker 8: who made enough money and raised enough money so that

2040
01:50:56,160 --> 01:50:56,519
Speaker 8: he can go.

2041
01:50:56,920 --> 01:50:58,560
Speaker 2: I just love it. I love everything about it.

2042
01:50:58,680 --> 01:51:01,479
Speaker 1: And as I told him, you know, look, I know

2043
01:51:01,560 --> 01:51:03,600
Speaker 1: he wants to win, and you know, these are competitors, right,

2044
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:06,360
Speaker 1: they're athletes like the rest of us, and they want

2045
01:51:06,400 --> 01:51:08,439
Speaker 1: to win. But at the same time, there's a little

2046
01:51:08,520 --> 01:51:11,160
Speaker 1: victory even before they go out, and what a win

2047
01:51:11,320 --> 01:51:13,559
Speaker 1: that is to be able to They're already starting out

2048
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:15,360
Speaker 1: one to zero in my book, you know what I mean?

2049
01:51:16,200 --> 01:51:20,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know what that particular game Minnesota playing, not.

2050
01:51:20,439 --> 01:51:23,280
Speaker 6: Last night, but the last time Minnesota played, I.

2051
01:51:23,320 --> 01:51:26,480
Speaker 8: Said, twenty dollars for every three that Indiana and Minnesota

2052
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:29,400
Speaker 8: made combined. It was so fitting that it was Minnesota

2053
01:51:29,400 --> 01:51:31,840
Speaker 8: and that's where he wanted to go. Those teams made

2054
01:51:31,880 --> 01:51:32,759
Speaker 8: twenty two threes.

2055
01:51:32,840 --> 01:51:35,120
Speaker 6: I threw four hundred and forty bucks in a bucket

2056
01:51:35,200 --> 01:51:36,160
Speaker 6: in a bucket for John.

2057
01:51:36,840 --> 01:51:39,200
Speaker 1: That's the best money you spent in a while, That's right,

2058
01:51:39,600 --> 01:51:42,120
Speaker 1: you know. All right, Debbie, let's get to this. And

2059
01:51:42,240 --> 01:51:44,160
Speaker 1: I was talking about this earlier, and I want you

2060
01:51:44,200 --> 01:51:48,080
Speaker 1: to from a basketball standpoint, kind of enlighten with this

2061
01:51:48,439 --> 01:51:53,519
Speaker 1: and that is this particular Fever team. I have been

2062
01:51:53,600 --> 01:51:57,160
Speaker 1: so impressed with the resiliency that they've had to show

2063
01:51:57,240 --> 01:52:01,160
Speaker 1: with roster, just based on in particular they're backcourt attrition

2064
01:52:01,360 --> 01:52:04,040
Speaker 1: and you know, and it goes beyond Caitlin Clark's injury.

2065
01:52:04,080 --> 01:52:06,200
Speaker 1: I mean Sophie Cunningham's you know, a great player, and

2066
01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:11,080
Speaker 1: you know they've lost a lot of key pieces over

2067
01:52:11,160 --> 01:52:13,400
Speaker 1: the course of the season, and yet they put themselves

2068
01:52:13,439 --> 01:52:16,160
Speaker 1: in position out of the postseason. How do you, as

2069
01:52:16,240 --> 01:52:20,519
Speaker 1: a coach or a player either one fight against that

2070
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:24,760
Speaker 1: being complacency and saying mission accomplished when in fact, now

2071
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:25,920
Speaker 1: there's a new mission before you.

2072
01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:29,600
Speaker 8: Well, first of all, you have to understand all the

2073
01:52:29,640 --> 01:52:32,479
Speaker 8: advanced work the front office does to be able to

2074
01:52:32,520 --> 01:52:34,760
Speaker 8: put Stephanie White in this position to be able to

2075
01:52:34,840 --> 01:52:35,960
Speaker 8: lead these women right.

2076
01:52:36,160 --> 01:52:38,400
Speaker 6: So you've got to put the right pieces together.

2077
01:52:38,439 --> 01:52:41,320
Speaker 8: And it's not just skill set, it's character, it's personality,

2078
01:52:41,479 --> 01:52:44,280
Speaker 8: it's all of it. Experience matters, especially when you get

2079
01:52:44,320 --> 01:52:50,200
Speaker 8: into the playoffs and then Stephanie, you know, in basketball, Jake,

2080
01:52:50,360 --> 01:52:54,160
Speaker 8: pretty much everybody runs the same stuff. You might change

2081
01:52:54,160 --> 01:52:56,880
Speaker 8: your concepts a little bit, you might tweak or change something,

2082
01:52:57,000 --> 01:53:00,160
Speaker 8: but nobody really runs anything that's much different than what

2083
01:53:00,240 --> 01:53:01,320
Speaker 8: another team may run.

2084
01:53:01,439 --> 01:53:02,920
Speaker 6: But the personnel is how.

2085
01:53:03,720 --> 01:53:06,320
Speaker 8: The things change on the floor. And Stephanie White and

2086
01:53:06,479 --> 01:53:10,320
Speaker 8: her staff have done an outstanding job plugging in pieces

2087
01:53:10,439 --> 01:53:15,080
Speaker 8: that work, changing rotations, still learning about rotations. You don't

2088
01:53:15,080 --> 01:53:17,200
Speaker 8: have to worry about complacency. You're never going to stay

2089
01:53:17,240 --> 01:53:18,800
Speaker 8: the same. You either going to get better, you're going

2090
01:53:18,840 --> 01:53:21,120
Speaker 8: to get worse. And I think right now, when you

2091
01:53:21,160 --> 01:53:22,960
Speaker 8: get into the playoffs, this is not a team that's

2092
01:53:23,040 --> 01:53:26,439
Speaker 8: just happy to be there. The format has changed. One

2093
01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:28,960
Speaker 8: game on the road, the second game the Fever will

2094
01:53:29,000 --> 01:53:31,639
Speaker 8: play at home. You know, can you imagine the environment.

2095
01:53:31,720 --> 01:53:33,479
Speaker 6: I mean, this is a team that's hungry to win,

2096
01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:35,120
Speaker 6: so I wouldn't put anything past them.

2097
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:35,519
Speaker 8: At this point.

2098
01:53:36,160 --> 01:53:38,320
Speaker 1: You know, Stephanie White and I talked about this a

2099
01:53:38,400 --> 01:53:40,680
Speaker 1: little bit, Debbie, but I want to get your perspective

2100
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:46,040
Speaker 1: on it. The conventional wisdom is that with basketball, you know,

2101
01:53:46,200 --> 01:53:49,080
Speaker 1: it used to be that depending on and I'll speak

2102
01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:52,280
Speaker 1: it from a college level. You know, Bob Knights, Indiana

2103
01:53:52,360 --> 01:53:53,720
Speaker 1: team goes out, you know you're going to see the

2104
01:53:53,800 --> 01:53:57,360
Speaker 1: motion offense. And they're playing against North Carolina and Dean

2105
01:53:57,400 --> 01:54:00,160
Speaker 1: Smith's going to run like the four corners, and you know,

2106
01:54:00,320 --> 01:54:02,080
Speaker 1: then you go against UNLV and you know they're going

2107
01:54:02,160 --> 01:54:05,080
Speaker 1: to play obviously, you know, or Nolan Richardson teams are

2108
01:54:05,120 --> 01:54:07,479
Speaker 1: going to trap. You know, I mean all the different ways.

2109
01:54:08,640 --> 01:54:13,679
Speaker 1: Is has basketball become more i'll say homogenized for lack

2110
01:54:13,720 --> 01:54:16,920
Speaker 1: of a better term, because of the influence of the

2111
01:54:17,040 --> 01:54:20,759
Speaker 1: Summer Aau style of play and thus, as a result,

2112
01:54:21,400 --> 01:54:27,600
Speaker 1: it's become more positionless and less strict in terms of

2113
01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:30,080
Speaker 1: an offensive set that is being run. Is that the

2114
01:54:30,400 --> 01:54:34,240
Speaker 1: overwhelming drive and influence on why it is now the

2115
01:54:34,280 --> 01:54:35,360
Speaker 1: way that you speak.

2116
01:54:36,200 --> 01:54:39,840
Speaker 8: Positionless, Jake, you know, perimeters and posts. That's pretty much

2117
01:54:39,880 --> 01:54:41,120
Speaker 8: the way you describe it now.

2118
01:54:41,320 --> 01:54:44,440
Speaker 5: And I think what you see is the.

2119
01:54:44,840 --> 01:54:48,680
Speaker 8: It's not coaching basketball, it's coaching people. Okay, so you're

2120
01:54:48,880 --> 01:54:53,080
Speaker 8: moving obviously it's coaching basketball, but you're moving pieces around

2121
01:54:53,960 --> 01:54:55,640
Speaker 8: on your team to be able to put them in

2122
01:54:55,720 --> 01:55:00,200
Speaker 8: the best possible ways to highlight their skill set. Look,

2123
01:55:00,280 --> 01:55:03,840
Speaker 8: Kelsey Mitchell can score in any action, Okay. Stephanie White

2124
01:55:03,880 --> 01:55:07,680
Speaker 8: can almost predict or dictate what time on the clock

2125
01:55:07,800 --> 01:55:10,760
Speaker 8: she wants Kelsey in that single side ball screen action

2126
01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:12,920
Speaker 8: with a leah okay, because you got to get a

2127
01:55:12,920 --> 01:55:15,480
Speaker 8: ball reversal to get it back to Kelsey. So these

2128
01:55:15,520 --> 01:55:18,480
Speaker 8: are the things that make Stephanie really good at what

2129
01:55:18,640 --> 01:55:21,880
Speaker 8: she does. There is such a high level IQ and

2130
01:55:22,040 --> 01:55:25,240
Speaker 8: thought process that goes into moving these pieces around these

2131
01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:29,200
Speaker 8: individuals and then getting them to work together and sink in.

2132
01:55:29,240 --> 01:55:30,640
Speaker 6: A twenty four second shock lock.

2133
01:55:31,360 --> 01:55:34,960
Speaker 8: And the game is fast, so this decisions are coming fast,

2134
01:55:35,440 --> 01:55:39,800
Speaker 8: angles are coming fast. Space is changing quickly, and you've

2135
01:55:39,800 --> 01:55:42,000
Speaker 8: got to have the ability to move people into the

2136
01:55:42,120 --> 01:55:44,840
Speaker 8: right spots and set them up for success. And that's

2137
01:55:44,840 --> 01:55:47,480
Speaker 8: what Stephanie and the staff have done really well based

2138
01:55:47,520 --> 01:55:51,160
Speaker 8: on position lists, perimeters and posts like you described it.

2139
01:55:51,560 --> 01:55:55,000
Speaker 1: We just saw Kelsey Mitchell complete a season with the

2140
01:55:55,160 --> 01:55:58,480
Speaker 1: highest single season scoring average in Fever history. If I'm

2141
01:55:58,520 --> 01:56:01,920
Speaker 1: not mistaken, I believe she surpassed Tamika in that regard.

2142
01:56:03,040 --> 01:56:08,240
Speaker 1: And yet if you look at this roster, I don't

2143
01:56:08,240 --> 01:56:10,520
Speaker 1: think you know there are sometimes Debbie as you know

2144
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Speaker 1: that somebody you know, You look at a team and

2145
01:56:12,280 --> 01:56:13,800
Speaker 1: you go, well, somebody's got to score on that team,

2146
01:56:13,960 --> 01:56:16,080
Speaker 1: and you know twenty twenty five guys. As I always

2147
01:56:16,120 --> 01:56:19,800
Speaker 1: say to me, this is very situational scoring, and it

2148
01:56:19,880 --> 01:56:25,960
Speaker 1: has come for Kelsey Mitchell in ways that she's been

2149
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:28,720
Speaker 1: able to score in different ways and in different times

2150
01:56:28,880 --> 01:56:32,440
Speaker 1: when it is needed. What has most impressed you about

2151
01:56:32,560 --> 01:56:34,920
Speaker 1: her that you would say to people that look at

2152
01:56:35,000 --> 01:56:37,680
Speaker 1: it and just assume that she's a volume scorer and

2153
01:56:37,800 --> 01:56:41,160
Speaker 1: not a situational score if that makes sense, high.

2154
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:45,920
Speaker 8: IQ incredible teammate, wants to win more than anything else

2155
01:56:46,120 --> 01:56:48,960
Speaker 8: and would be willing to sacrifice a few shots if

2156
01:56:49,000 --> 01:56:52,160
Speaker 8: it meant they could finish the playoffs at the end, right,

2157
01:56:52,600 --> 01:56:54,280
Speaker 8: like go all the way to the end, and to

2158
01:56:54,360 --> 01:56:57,200
Speaker 8: the end for Kelsey, because she's in the moment is

2159
01:56:57,320 --> 01:57:01,000
Speaker 8: forty minutes, it's the next play. It's what you love

2160
01:57:01,120 --> 01:57:03,600
Speaker 8: about her. She's never going to take a playoff. She's

2161
01:57:03,640 --> 01:57:06,360
Speaker 8: going to guard the best offensive player on the perimeter on.

2162
01:57:06,360 --> 01:57:06,920
Speaker 5: The other team.

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01:57:07,520 --> 01:57:10,640
Speaker 8: She is going to do it without complaining. She's not

2164
01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:13,080
Speaker 8: going to say anything to the officials, and if she does,

2165
01:57:13,240 --> 01:57:16,360
Speaker 8: then she's probably right because that's been her demeanor all season.

2166
01:57:17,560 --> 01:57:21,080
Speaker 8: I absolutely love Kelsey Mitchell. Now I can say this

2167
01:57:21,160 --> 01:57:22,840
Speaker 8: about a lot of players, Jake, and this is true.

2168
01:57:22,840 --> 01:57:24,680
Speaker 8: I've been watching them all since they were in college.

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01:57:24,760 --> 01:57:27,400
Speaker 8: I saw Kelsey play when she was an AAU player

2170
01:57:27,440 --> 01:57:30,680
Speaker 8: out of Cincinnati. Okay, I knew Kelsey and I've known

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01:57:30,720 --> 01:57:32,920
Speaker 8: her for a long time. I've got Kelsey Mitchell's Ohio

2172
01:57:33,040 --> 01:57:34,600
Speaker 8: State jersey. I've been waiting to wear it.

2173
01:57:35,440 --> 01:57:36,640
Speaker 6: I'm going to wear it everywhere I go.

2174
01:57:36,760 --> 01:57:39,920
Speaker 8: Now. I'm so proud of what she's become, who she is,

2175
01:57:40,560 --> 01:57:43,920
Speaker 8: how she reps Indiana Fever, and what she means to

2176
01:57:43,960 --> 01:57:47,480
Speaker 8: the WNBA. Right now, there's not a better guard in

2177
01:57:47,600 --> 01:57:50,200
Speaker 8: the league than Kelsey Mitchell, and she should be getting

2178
01:57:50,240 --> 01:57:50,640
Speaker 8: her due.

2179
01:57:50,760 --> 01:57:54,040
Speaker 6: She deserves it, she's earned it, and now she's.

2180
01:57:53,880 --> 01:57:56,320
Speaker 8: Got a one year of playoff experience from last year,

2181
01:57:56,320 --> 01:57:59,000
Speaker 8: and I expect her to be really good next week.

2182
01:57:59,320 --> 01:58:00,680
Speaker 2: You know, other style.

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01:58:00,800 --> 01:58:03,160
Speaker 1: Debbie Antonelli is our guest. We're talking about the Indiana

2184
01:58:03,200 --> 01:58:07,120
Speaker 1: Fever here another with every team in Debbie, I want

2185
01:58:07,160 --> 01:58:08,560
Speaker 1: you to tell me, I mean, feel free to tell

2186
01:58:08,600 --> 01:58:11,520
Speaker 1: me you've seen this team far in greater detail than

2187
01:58:11,560 --> 01:58:14,200
Speaker 1: have I. So I may be wrong in this, okay,

2188
01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:19,160
Speaker 1: but I always like players that can score for you

2189
01:58:19,400 --> 01:58:22,320
Speaker 1: without it having to be designed for them to score. So,

2190
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:26,400
Speaker 1: in other words, they're opportune scorers, but players that from

2191
01:58:26,520 --> 01:58:30,920
Speaker 1: one game to the next can redefine what it is

2192
01:58:31,040 --> 01:58:34,640
Speaker 1: that they do based on what's needed on that particular night. Now,

2193
01:58:34,680 --> 01:58:36,960
Speaker 1: you tell me if I'm wrong. But for this team,

2194
01:58:37,680 --> 01:58:39,880
Speaker 1: the player that has really impressed me in that regard

2195
01:58:39,960 --> 01:58:42,680
Speaker 1: from what I've seen is Tash Howard and the fact

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01:58:42,720 --> 01:58:45,320
Speaker 1: that she doesn't need to be a frontline scorer and star,

2197
01:58:45,840 --> 01:58:47,920
Speaker 1: but on certain nights she can be that if need be,

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01:58:48,440 --> 01:58:51,080
Speaker 1: or she can help in other areas. I am I giving?

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01:58:51,360 --> 01:58:52,360
Speaker 1: Am I misreading that?

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01:58:53,600 --> 01:58:57,280
Speaker 8: No? And I think that's another testament to Coach White

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01:58:57,440 --> 01:59:01,920
Speaker 8: and their staff. They don't put Natasha Howard in situations

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01:59:01,960 --> 01:59:06,600
Speaker 8: where she can't be instinctive. She is a very instinctive

2203
01:59:07,200 --> 01:59:11,280
Speaker 8: go to the glass, drive hard, cut hard, you know, rebound,

2204
01:59:11,920 --> 01:59:14,880
Speaker 8: run the floor. Those are the reasons why the front

2205
01:59:14,920 --> 01:59:17,000
Speaker 8: office brought her to Indiana, and.

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01:59:17,360 --> 01:59:19,680
Speaker 3: She has three w NBA championships.

2207
01:59:20,200 --> 01:59:22,760
Speaker 8: She knows what it takes to win, she understands it,

2208
01:59:22,800 --> 01:59:24,640
Speaker 8: and I know she's going to have a strong voice.

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01:59:25,000 --> 01:59:28,880
Speaker 8: She's very well respected by her teammates, and I expect

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01:59:28,920 --> 01:59:31,280
Speaker 8: that she will will turn it on because it's when

2211
01:59:31,320 --> 01:59:33,760
Speaker 8: she needs to and she understands that Debbie.

2212
01:59:33,840 --> 01:59:36,080
Speaker 1: Do they in any way, shape or form the Fever

2213
01:59:37,200 --> 01:59:41,960
Speaker 1: change schematically anything in the postseason? Do we see in

2214
01:59:42,080 --> 01:59:46,360
Speaker 1: the postseason typically, whether it be pacing or the way

2215
01:59:46,960 --> 01:59:49,040
Speaker 1: or wrinkles that you're trying to do. Do we see

2216
01:59:49,160 --> 01:59:51,680
Speaker 1: any change from regular season to postseason or is it

2217
01:59:51,800 --> 01:59:53,840
Speaker 1: pretty much push in on who you are?

2218
01:59:55,040 --> 01:59:59,440
Speaker 8: I think based on how their roster looks now, based

2219
01:59:59,480 --> 02:00:01,400
Speaker 8: on the amount of reps that they've been able to

2220
02:00:01,440 --> 02:00:05,360
Speaker 8: have together, how Stephanie White and her staff have simplified

2221
02:00:05,480 --> 02:00:08,560
Speaker 8: things so that you can plug and play and you

2222
02:00:08,680 --> 02:00:11,960
Speaker 8: can stay ready and just not be overwhelmed. I do

2223
02:00:12,160 --> 02:00:15,360
Speaker 8: think having some time now today, they have off Tomorrow,

2224
02:00:15,480 --> 02:00:19,360
Speaker 8: they'll practice Friday, they'll practice Saturday, they'll go travel somewhere.

2225
02:00:19,760 --> 02:00:22,120
Speaker 8: They're gonna have a couple of days to work on themselves.

2226
02:00:22,840 --> 02:00:25,360
Speaker 8: I know Stephanie White's gonna bring something, and you've better

2227
02:00:25,360 --> 02:00:26,400
Speaker 8: be ready to figure it out.

2228
02:00:26,560 --> 02:00:28,200
Speaker 6: If I get to call the.

2229
02:00:28,280 --> 02:00:30,920
Speaker 8: Indiana Fever playoff games, I'm gonna be looking for that

2230
02:00:31,040 --> 02:00:33,640
Speaker 8: subtle thing that Stephanie will do. It could be maybe

2231
02:00:33,680 --> 02:00:36,720
Speaker 8: they're gonna trap more Boss Greens. It could be maybe

2232
02:00:36,760 --> 02:00:40,200
Speaker 8: they're gonna do some sort of isolation with personnel. Based

2233
02:00:40,240 --> 02:00:42,840
Speaker 8: on who they're playing, they'll be ready and they'll be

2234
02:00:42,920 --> 02:00:44,400
Speaker 8: a tweak or a change because you can't get to

2235
02:00:44,440 --> 02:00:46,560
Speaker 8: the playoffs without stepping up your level. And I know

2236
02:00:47,120 --> 02:00:49,000
Speaker 8: this group of players having a couple of days to

2237
02:00:49,080 --> 02:00:51,640
Speaker 8: practice together, which I don't think they've had, will give

2238
02:00:51,680 --> 02:00:53,280
Speaker 8: them a chance to be ready on Sunday.

2239
02:00:53,480 --> 02:00:53,640
Speaker 2: Hey.

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Speaker 1: Lastly, Debbie, when when your son Frankie was in school,

2241
02:00:56,840 --> 02:01:00,440
Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about him on the show. Did

2242
02:01:00,520 --> 02:01:03,520
Speaker 1: they have and I don't know if this is something

2243
02:01:03,560 --> 02:01:05,880
Speaker 1: that's in all states. I know in Indiana, I don't

2244
02:01:05,880 --> 02:01:07,520
Speaker 1: know how long it's been around, But did they have

2245
02:01:07,720 --> 02:01:09,760
Speaker 1: unified sports when your son was in school?

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02:01:10,880 --> 02:01:11,320
Speaker 5: They did?

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02:01:11,640 --> 02:01:14,600
Speaker 8: And unified sports is something that I championed a lot.

2248
02:01:14,680 --> 02:01:17,480
Speaker 8: It gives your peers a chance to compete with the athletes.

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02:01:17,800 --> 02:01:20,880
Speaker 8: So I've been a unified partner. I've played basketball and

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Speaker 8: golf with Frankie.

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02:01:23,360 --> 02:01:23,880
Speaker 6: We have.

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02:01:24,360 --> 02:01:27,240
Speaker 8: Actually the last time I played basketball with Frankie Jake,

2253
02:01:27,280 --> 02:01:29,000
Speaker 8: I put a GoPro on his head and turned it

2254
02:01:29,080 --> 02:01:31,280
Speaker 8: on and let it. Just had fun watching that. Afterwards,

2255
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Speaker 8: I wanted to see what he was doing, what he

2256
02:01:32,840 --> 02:01:34,360
Speaker 8: was seeing. You know why I was playing hoops?

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02:01:34,360 --> 02:01:35,000
Speaker 6: It was pretty fun.

2258
02:01:36,240 --> 02:01:38,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, they have it, and I highly encourage anybody to

2259
02:01:38,880 --> 02:01:41,200
Speaker 8: get involved. It's a great way to make friends.

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02:01:41,360 --> 02:01:43,280
Speaker 1: Well, and here's the thing, and this is why I

2261
02:01:43,320 --> 02:01:45,080
Speaker 1: wanted to bring it up. I've got a friend whose

2262
02:01:45,200 --> 02:01:48,640
Speaker 1: daughter is a cheerleader at Carmel in unified sports. She's

2263
02:01:48,680 --> 02:01:52,440
Speaker 1: a special needs student. And here's what I've noticed, and

2264
02:01:52,480 --> 02:01:56,000
Speaker 1: I've noticed this in other people whose children have been

2265
02:01:56,040 --> 02:01:59,240
Speaker 1: involved in this, and this is partnering special need students

2266
02:01:59,360 --> 02:02:03,240
Speaker 1: with those that are I hate say non special needs.

2267
02:02:03,360 --> 02:02:04,640
Speaker 1: That comes off the wrong way, but you get what

2268
02:02:04,680 --> 02:02:07,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying. The student athletes and the cheerleaders and whatnot,

2269
02:02:08,240 --> 02:02:11,360
Speaker 1: puts them together on the same team. I want to

2270
02:02:11,560 --> 02:02:15,640
Speaker 1: encourage Debbie. For people that are listening who don't have

2271
02:02:16,120 --> 02:02:18,360
Speaker 1: a child that's in a special education program or a

2272
02:02:18,360 --> 02:02:21,840
Speaker 1: special Olympics program, and who are just going through everyday

2273
02:02:21,880 --> 02:02:25,240
Speaker 1: life at school, those are the ones that I think

2274
02:02:25,360 --> 02:02:29,200
Speaker 1: benefit almost more from unified sports because I see it

2275
02:02:29,360 --> 02:02:31,920
Speaker 1: with these kids that are going out there and working

2276
02:02:32,080 --> 02:02:36,760
Speaker 1: with teammates and they're getting almost as much, if not more,

2277
02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:38,200
Speaker 1: out of it. And that's not to say it's not

2278
02:02:38,280 --> 02:02:41,240
Speaker 1: a huge benefit for Frankie and his friends, but for

2279
02:02:41,400 --> 02:02:44,080
Speaker 1: all of them to work as the same team together.

2280
02:02:45,000 --> 02:02:48,080
Speaker 1: That to me, people that are listening right now that

2281
02:02:48,280 --> 02:02:51,640
Speaker 1: think that it isn't for their student at school, it

2282
02:02:51,800 --> 02:02:53,880
Speaker 1: is for every student in school, and I think it's

2283
02:02:53,920 --> 02:02:55,320
Speaker 1: an awesome, awesome program.

2284
02:02:56,600 --> 02:03:00,800
Speaker 8: We have gone past the error where the special education

2285
02:03:01,080 --> 02:03:04,400
Speaker 8: kids and that part of your school are hidden.

2286
02:03:04,200 --> 02:03:06,480
Speaker 6: Away down a hallway where nobody goes.

2287
02:03:06,920 --> 02:03:09,320
Speaker 8: They You only see him at lunch, maybe you might

2288
02:03:09,360 --> 02:03:10,040
Speaker 8: see him at pe.

2289
02:03:10,600 --> 02:03:11,760
Speaker 6: That's not where we are now in.

2290
02:03:11,920 --> 02:03:13,920
Speaker 8: Public school education or any education.

2291
02:03:14,040 --> 02:03:18,800
Speaker 6: Quite honestly, my son is working, living independently with support.

2292
02:03:19,200 --> 02:03:22,360
Speaker 8: He has down syndrome, and he is functioning really well.

2293
02:03:22,400 --> 02:03:25,200
Speaker 8: As a member of society, You're going to see people

2294
02:03:25,360 --> 02:03:26,240
Speaker 8: with special.

2295
02:03:25,960 --> 02:03:28,400
Speaker 6: Needs everywhere you go, in every walk of life now, and.

2296
02:03:29,040 --> 02:03:30,600
Speaker 8: If you might as you might as well learn now

2297
02:03:30,640 --> 02:03:32,720
Speaker 8: to get along and figure out a way that you

2298
02:03:32,800 --> 02:03:36,480
Speaker 8: can become friends and get involved. It's fun. It's I'm

2299
02:03:36,520 --> 02:03:38,280
Speaker 8: going to tell you something my mother told me a

2300
02:03:38,360 --> 02:03:40,600
Speaker 8: long time ago, Jake, and I use this as one of.

2301
02:03:40,600 --> 02:03:41,840
Speaker 6: My attitudes when I'm.

2302
02:03:42,080 --> 02:03:45,480
Speaker 8: Thinking about all the opportunities I have to share this message.

2303
02:03:45,960 --> 02:03:48,880
Speaker 8: That is, I don't have Frankie in my life because

2304
02:03:48,920 --> 02:03:52,080
Speaker 8: I did something wrong. I have, Frankie, because I did

2305
02:03:52,200 --> 02:03:55,760
Speaker 8: something right somewhere. And if you think about getting involved

2306
02:03:55,880 --> 02:03:59,080
Speaker 8: with somebody at your school, there's nothing wrong with them.

2307
02:03:59,160 --> 02:04:01,600
Speaker 8: There's something right about them, and if you get involved

2308
02:04:01,600 --> 02:04:03,320
Speaker 8: with them, you're going to find out what that right

2309
02:04:03,560 --> 02:04:05,080
Speaker 8: is and you're going to enjoy it and it's going

2310
02:04:05,160 --> 02:04:07,240
Speaker 8: to be pure joy and it's going to give you

2311
02:04:07,360 --> 02:04:09,760
Speaker 8: ten times more than the time that you're going to spend.

2312
02:04:10,760 --> 02:04:11,560
Speaker 2: Debbie, I love it.

2313
02:04:11,720 --> 02:04:14,760
Speaker 1: And you know I always enjoy seeing those stories and

2314
02:04:15,320 --> 02:04:17,120
Speaker 1: you know, seeing the smiles, and like I said, all

2315
02:04:17,200 --> 02:04:19,720
Speaker 1: those kids on both sides in unified sports are starting

2316
02:04:19,720 --> 02:04:22,080
Speaker 1: out one to oh before the season even begins, but

2317
02:04:22,240 --> 02:04:24,480
Speaker 1: Fever want to start out one to oh in the postseason.

2318
02:04:24,560 --> 02:04:26,920
Speaker 1: We shall see who it is that they're playing when

2319
02:04:26,920 --> 02:04:29,480
Speaker 1: everything gets underway. And certainly look forward to talking to

2320
02:04:29,560 --> 02:04:31,240
Speaker 1: you again, Debbie. I know it's been a busy time

2321
02:04:31,320 --> 02:04:32,520
Speaker 1: for I appreciate the time today.

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02:04:33,080 --> 02:04:35,640
Speaker 8: You're the best, Jake, Thanks so much. Let's go Fever.

2323
02:04:35,880 --> 02:04:38,440
Speaker 1: There you go, Debbie Anzanelli joining us on the program.

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Speaker 1: Jamb will be in next. We will do the crossover

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Speaker 2: And so do we call it the crossover? Do we

2329
02:04:51,920 --> 02:04:52,880
Speaker 2: call it the handoff?

2330
02:04:53,000 --> 02:04:53,800
Speaker 3: Do we call it the cross?

2331
02:04:53,880 --> 02:04:54,000
Speaker 8: Talk?

2332
02:04:54,080 --> 02:04:54,560
Speaker 2: What do we call it?

2333
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:55,360
Speaker 1: The crossover?

2334
02:04:55,600 --> 02:04:57,840
Speaker 3: Is unoriginal? Would she not?

2335
02:04:58,160 --> 02:04:58,440
Speaker 8: Kind of?

2336
02:04:58,560 --> 02:05:01,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I was thinking about this though. It's perfect

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Speaker 1: this time of year that that love heating and air

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Speaker 1: is involved with the the crossover from me to you

2339
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Speaker 1: or the handle up or whatever might be, because we're

2340
02:05:10,080 --> 02:05:11,960
Speaker 1: at that time of year where the weather is kind

2341
02:05:11,960 --> 02:05:13,800
Speaker 1: of crossing over and as a result, you want to

2342
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Speaker 1: make sure that your furnace is up to speed, get

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Speaker 1: it ready for and then you're running the air conditioning

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Speaker 1: and the and later in the day, and love heating

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Speaker 1: and air takes care of you in both areas, right,

2346
02:05:23,040 --> 02:05:25,440
Speaker 1: making sure that you are good in both areas.

2347
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Speaker 2: J and B.

2348
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Speaker 9: How they crawl back back when I was in college,

2349
02:05:28,080 --> 02:05:34,320
Speaker 9: they called it passing puff that was or puffing pass.

2350
02:05:35,320 --> 02:05:36,720
Speaker 9: I guess you wouldn't pass it, And then.

2351
02:05:39,880 --> 02:05:41,240
Speaker 2: Maybe that's what were you doing.

2352
02:05:41,280 --> 02:05:42,640
Speaker 3: Maybe that's why that never worked.

2353
02:05:42,840 --> 02:05:45,240
Speaker 1: Maybe that should be sponsored by When you say, when

2354
02:05:45,240 --> 02:05:46,520
Speaker 1: you hear a crossover, who do you think of?

2355
02:05:46,600 --> 02:05:49,160
Speaker 9: I think of Tim Hardaway, Tim Hardaway, Yeah, I mean

2356
02:05:49,320 --> 02:05:53,040
Speaker 9: hard Away one iverson two way up there.

2357
02:05:53,320 --> 02:05:53,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2358
02:05:53,800 --> 02:05:57,760
Speaker 3: My crossover sucks. I hate my crossover. It gets That's

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Speaker 3: why I don't do it.

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Speaker 2: I have to.

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Speaker 9: I have to Mark Jackson and put my ass into

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Speaker 9: people there you go back it down. I have to

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Speaker 9: back people down.

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Speaker 2: What's on the big program today?

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Speaker 3: We are going to talk a lot of colts.

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Speaker 9: I think Jeff rab John's was supposed to join yesterday,

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Speaker 9: so we did have not Jeff rab John's call in

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Speaker 9: for about five minutes of entertainment, but I think Jeff

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Speaker 9: is back.

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Speaker 3: We're going to Indiana State. Have you heard from Indiana

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Speaker 3: State yet? Where's Kurt Mallory? I gotta get Kurt Mallory

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Speaker 3: on the show.

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Speaker 1: We had Jonathan Edwards of the Colts on and he

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Speaker 1: spoke very highly of God. Yeah, Kurt Mallory is a

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Speaker 1: great guy too.

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Speaker 9: It takes a great guy to assume that position, because

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Speaker 9: that's one of the more difficult jobs anywhere. I would

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Speaker 9: agree with that, especially with the lack of money they

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Speaker 9: have across the board in Tara hate a lot of challenges.

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Speaker 9: My seventy five cents per year clearly is not helping anything.

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Speaker 3: Out.

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Speaker 2: Is that what you donate? Yeah, that's cool.

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Speaker 3: Well I do. I do a lot of promotion for them.

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Speaker 3: I'm not talking about him.

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Speaker 9: I doubt anybody else is going to be talking about them,

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Speaker 9: so we try to promote him a lot. Crazy Fair

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Speaker 9: have a great time over there, though, Jake, I did

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Speaker 9: uh well clearly, I mean based on the mantra of

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Speaker 9: your crossovers. All right, John's up next, Coles talk Jeff

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Speaker 9: rap John's as well. We will be back with you

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Speaker 9: at noon tomorrow, and I appreciate you listening to Querying Company.