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Speaker 1: University Professor Doctor Ray Wimbush will take over a classroom.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Wimbush will reflect on today's seventieth anniversary of the

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Speaker 1: Montgomery bus boycott. Doctor Wimbush should also analyze Trump's threats

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Speaker 1: to invade Nigeria and Venezuela. But before Dr Wimbush, DC

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Speaker 1: activission humanitarian brother Sinkler Skinner will join us. But let's

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Speaker 1: get Kevin open these classroom doors for us. Get this

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Speaker 2: Hey, now Grand Rising, indeed, coll Nelson, my man, my man,

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Speaker 2: it's the first day of December, but this is in December.

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Speaker 2: The root word deckham means ten. I don't know, but

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning, Kevin, and I'm gonna learn. Somebody will

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, well, it's good that you you know, you

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Speaker 2: You're running out of excuses.

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Speaker 4: The more the more we learn, the more we know.

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Speaker 2: Wait a second, this is it is not what I

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, many times, because you know, we've been taught

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Speaker 2: Well, it's hard to lean into the hard stuff, Carl,

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Speaker 2: So it's called the Trump's retribution campaign. All of those

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but Michael's going to want access. He wants to

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Speaker 1: Thanks Kevin grand Rising, Brother Sinclair. How you feeling this morning?

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Speaker 5: I got it from France for no, and he said, okay,

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Speaker 5: Well, you know I was talking about how I went

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Speaker 5: What you call it, I'm a mechanical engineer, and I

434
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Speaker 5: had my what you call it engineering and training, so

435
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Speaker 5: I already was a licensed engineering training and I was

436
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Speaker 5: eligible to get my PE, my professional engineering license. So

437
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Speaker 5: the same time as I was doing that, I was

438
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Speaker 5: opening a business. Now I kind of bit off more

439
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Speaker 5: than I can chew, meaning that I probably should just

440
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Speaker 5: focused on the license instead of opening the dry cleaners.

441
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Speaker 5: But I was pressed to open it before school university opened.

442
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Speaker 5: So make a long story short, you know, I ended

443
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Speaker 5: up kind of shelving the PE, the professional engineering license

444
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Speaker 5: to make sure that right clean works. Now, all my

445
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 5: friends were.

446
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Speaker 3: Rooting for me.

447
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Speaker 5: Hey, it's great you left the job.

448
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 6: It's so inspirational.

449
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 5: And then the haters were like, yo, you went to

450
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Speaker 5: college for a degree in engineering, you cleaning dirty clothes?

451
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 5: Like that sounds ridiculous. And when I later found out,

452
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 5: sometimes your haters can be right and your friends could

453
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Speaker 5: be wrong. Begin Yes, you know, working for yourself, self determination, all,

454
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 5: that's the right thing, but I picked the wrong thing.

455
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Speaker 5: My life was not meant for me to be, you know,

456
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Speaker 5: George Jefferson. I had a picture with Sherman Hensley because

457
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Speaker 5: I was also an A and C commissioner at the time,

458
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 5: and Sherman Hensley had came to Lincoln Theater and I

459
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Speaker 5: asked if I told him I was doing, and talked

460
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Speaker 5: to his agent. I said, look, if I could you know,

461
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Speaker 5: pay off some money to use your likeness in his picture,

462
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Speaker 5: and they said of course, and we cut the deal.

463
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Speaker 5: Wo woo to woop. And so I literally was like

464
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Speaker 5: excised about it from the sense of I could do

465
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Speaker 5: something to serve our community at the same time being

466
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Speaker 5: business for myself. But it ended up being horrible. Like

467
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Speaker 5: one of the things that people don't know or think about.

468
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Speaker 5: The Koreans have like a like a cartel. They control

469
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Speaker 5: so much of the industry, from the maintenance of the equipment,

470
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Speaker 5: from the supplies and things like that, so they don't

471
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Speaker 5: support black cleaners like they support each other.

472
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Speaker 3: So even when you.

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Speaker 5: Have a problem or you're dealing with pricing, the supplies

474
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Speaker 5: and things that you get from them are even more expensive.

475
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Speaker 6: So I expanded that.

476
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Speaker 5: I said, well, maybe I just need more locations do

477
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Speaker 5: economy scale. So I opened another cleaners in Rockville. I

478
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 5: bumped this Indian guy out where literally I had my

479
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Speaker 5: own machines and all my stuff, and I probably was

480
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Speaker 5: one of the few black owned businesses at the time

481
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Speaker 5: in this place called Rockville, the city outside of DC

482
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Speaker 5: in Montgomery County on Rockville Pipe, and I literally was like,

483
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Speaker 5: you know, you know, hustling that I got, you know,

484
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Speaker 5: accounts with the embassy sweep downtown d c Rockville. Marriott

485
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Speaker 5: had the Catholic University. I was cleaning their uniforms. I

486
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Speaker 5: then got Howard University. I was cleaning their uniforms and

487
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Speaker 5: cleaning their band unifferent forms. Shout out to my guy Wilson,

488
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 5: who's looked out for me. So I literally started like, Okay,

489
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Speaker 5: I got these universities, I got the hotels, I got

490
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Speaker 5: my stores open. I said, if I just get to

491
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Speaker 5: a certain economies of scale where I can literally let

492
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Speaker 5: all these outlets work together. The problem was when I

493
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Speaker 5: tell and I say this to people about franchise models

494
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Speaker 5: and how you can like try to do that. If

495
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Speaker 5: you don't get the first store right, it's hard to

496
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Speaker 5: get to second, third right. It's not economis and scale.

497
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Speaker 5: It's not about you taking three things and the multiplying

498
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Speaker 5: it out. What really happens is like bad kids. You

499
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Speaker 5: can't get one kid right, the third kid is going

500
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Speaker 5: to just make it even crazier. So I even ended

501
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Speaker 5: up getting a store open downtown in Judiciary Square, and

502
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Speaker 5: government government building with the drag clearer. So I ended

503
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Speaker 5: up but about four i say, five dry cleaners. And

504
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Speaker 5: it's just just as I was like trying to get

505
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Speaker 5: it right. You know, they had the dry clean depots

506
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Speaker 5: and the price of drag cleaning went down to like

507
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Speaker 5: a dollar ninety nine for everything. It just like took

508
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Speaker 5: all the margin out, Like you'd get it right. You

509
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Speaker 5: get a dollar ninety nine, you mess up somebody's pants,

510
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 5: you're losing thirty dollars. So it literally was was not

511
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Speaker 5: the right business for me to be in. And then

512
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Speaker 5: a good friend of mine who we all kind of

513
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Speaker 5: grew up in the same spaces as well as Pratt

514
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Speaker 5: brother and attended Howard Adrian Fenty ended up running for

515
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Speaker 5: We both were at Seek Commissions at the same time,

516
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Speaker 5: and he ended up running for city council against Charlene

517
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Speaker 5: Drew Jarvis. And Charlotte Drew Jarvis, as some people might

518
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Speaker 5: not was Charles Grew's daughter, so you know, the brother

519
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Speaker 5: who actually did the whole plasma the incredible you know scientists.

520
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 5: She had been in office for decades and he ran

521
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Speaker 5: up against her. Now he wasn't a Mosia party like

522
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 5: we originally were. He was a Democrat, and I think

523
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Speaker 5: at that by that time, I think he switched over

524
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Speaker 5: to the Democrat. But we actually ran his camp, you know,

525
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Speaker 5: helped him run his campaign and he won and no

526
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Speaker 5: one thought he would win. So he was in city council.

527
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Speaker 5: So we were like, you know, that's a positive thing.

528
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Speaker 5: So once I went bankrupt after that, he ran for city.

529
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Speaker 5: He decided he wanted to run against the mayor at

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Speaker 5: the time, who was a guy named Anthony Williams. A

531
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Speaker 5: lot of people don't realize Adrian Finty had ran against

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Speaker 5: this guy, Anthony Williams. And Anthony Williams came out of

533
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Speaker 5: a time with DC government where they had a thing

534
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Speaker 5: called the Control Board, and a lot of people don't

535
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Speaker 5: really remember this. It's kind of coincidental, but the Control

536
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Speaker 5: Board was ran by a guy named Andrew Brimmer, and

537
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Speaker 5: it was forced upon DC really the USURP again home rule.

538
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Speaker 6: It was really in.

539
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Speaker 5: An affront disrespect to Marion Barry and the people in

540
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Speaker 5: general of DC because we were black city. And what

541
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Speaker 5: was funny, though not funny, but coincidentally, I guess Andrew

542
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Speaker 5: Brimmer had been the chair of the trustees of Tuskegee

543
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Speaker 5: university that kicked me out of school. So I knew

544
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Speaker 5: Andrew Brember who was actually the person now in charge

545
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Speaker 5: of the control board, and I knew his policy.

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Speaker 6: You know, he was a.

547
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Speaker 5: Black man, actually a capa too. He was not a

548
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Speaker 5: good person for our people, and he was being used

549
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Speaker 5: as a tool of the ferral system. So that being said,

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Speaker 5: you know, we were coming in at a time where

551
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Speaker 5: we were dealing with you know, Adrian was running against

552
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Speaker 5: Anthony Williams, who actually was the person who took over

553
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 5: from Marion Barry, and his job was supposed to clean

554
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Speaker 5: up the financial you know issues that DC had.

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Speaker 7: You know, it.

556
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Speaker 5: Hadn't kept a budget that was like balanced, It was

557
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 5: always overspending and didn't have enough, had a deficit.

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Speaker 6: So they brought in this guy.

559
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Speaker 5: Anthony Williams. And I think Anthony Williams was one of

560
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Speaker 5: the people who kind of started some of this heavy

561
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 5: gentrification that you see that still plagus DC today. And

562
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 5: one of the things he was involved in, of course,

563
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 5: is the National Stadium, where they used eminent domain to

564
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 5: remove citizens from their land for a privately owned baseball team,

565
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 5: which was very problematic and at the time, like I said,

566
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Speaker 5: Adrian was running against him, and then Anthony Williams decided

567
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 5: not to run, and then he ended up running against

568
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Speaker 5: the forget the sister. I didn't know we were gonna

569
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Speaker 5: be talking about this, but the sister was the chair

570
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 5: of the city council and she was really powerful. And

571
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,479
Speaker 5: people thought Adrian, you know, his parents were hippies, you know,

572
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 5: from like the sixties, Like his dad had tattoos, and

573
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 5: you know, he literally came from a space where he

574
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 5: didn't come from a power family, like a big union family,

575
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Speaker 5: a big you know, rich family. So people kind of

576
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 5: dismissed them. And what Adrian did and I ran this

577
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 5: field campaign, so we literally ran, ran, ran, and people

578
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 5: didn't think he was going to win. And I think

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Speaker 5: much of the support was generational. You know, Adrian in

580
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Speaker 5: our eyes and our friends that supported him was like,

581
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Speaker 5: you know, he represented a new change that our generation

582
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 5: could actually do something to contribute. Up until then, most

583
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Speaker 5: many people that called us Generation X, like there was

584
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 5: no like rhyme or reason. And you know, there was

585
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Speaker 5: the greatest generation, the Baby Boomers, who did all these

586
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 5: great things, and here's this generation that really had no

587
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 5: you know, we were known for crack cocaine and drugs

588
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 5: and like we weren't known for something that moved our

589
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 5: people for so some of that was a part of

590
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Speaker 5: us being supportive of him because he represented you know,

591
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Speaker 5: our generations coming of age and that we could do this.

592
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 5: So he was a long shot. No one thought he

593
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 5: could win. We used the same message on his campaign

594
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 5: with door to door that we had used when we

595
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 5: were a moja party and doing the stuff with brother Nick,

596
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 5: and we won the campaign. And people don't even really

597
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 5: talk about it, but you know, I led, you know,

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Speaker 5: under you know, Adrian Fenty. I led the first campaign

599
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Speaker 5: in Washington, d C. Where literally we got all one

600
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Speaker 5: hundred and forty two precincts. Before that time, never had

601
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Speaker 5: a person running for mayor who was you know, running

602
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Speaker 5: not as an incumbent. Had won every precinct one hundred

603
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 5: and forty two I still remember. So that means that

604
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,959
Speaker 5: even the people who were running against them, their neighbors

605
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 5: voted for Adrian Fenty. So his concept of running the

606
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Speaker 5: office was again changed. Wanted to improved the school schools.

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Speaker 5: I mean, one of the mantras was, do you want

608
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Speaker 5: a world class city? In order to have a world

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Speaker 5: class city, you gotta have world class schools.

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Speaker 1: So right now, hold up thought right there, brother, Saint

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Speaker 1: Clair family, just waking up your here in the voice

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Speaker 1: of Saint Clair Skinner. Since you went inside, you know

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Speaker 1: the inner workings of DC politics on the mayor old side.

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Speaker 1: Once you when we come back there your assessment of

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Speaker 1: the current mayor, Miroe Bowser, because some people have criticized

616
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Speaker 1: he says she has Jenny fleted to the Trump administration

617
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Speaker 1: and she moves too slow and now Jesus says she's

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Speaker 1: not got to run again. How do you see her legacy?

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Speaker 1: That's one thing I want to ask you now, who

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Speaker 1: do you think would be a good person to replace her?

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Speaker 1: As you mentioned, we weren't going to talk about this,

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Speaker 1: but this is how he rolls sometime on this program.

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Speaker 1: It's twenty three minutes away for the top their family.

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Speaker 1: You want to join in this conversation at any point,

625
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Speaker 1: just reach out to us at eight hundred four five

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Speaker 1: zero seventy eight to seven six and we take a

627
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Speaker 1: phone calls after the news. That's next and Grand Rising family,

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Speaker 1: thanks for waking up with us on this Monday morning,

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Speaker 1: and also welcome to December. We're in the final month

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Speaker 1: of the year and I guess there is brother Saint

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Speaker 1: Clair Skinner. Brother Sinclair is a DC the Activists, is

632
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Speaker 1: also a humanitarian. He's got I Love Black People campaign.

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00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: We want to talk about that. And he's also going

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Speaker 1: to the Motherland. I want to talk about his trip's

635
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: coming up, but I think it's going to Mauritius, Zim,

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Speaker 1: Zimbabwe and also South Africa. I'll always talk about that,

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Speaker 1: but all right now we will talk about the mayor

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Speaker 1: oal Races. Tell us about how he got involved in

639
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: business and what made him such a success after failures family.

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Speaker 1: That's one of the things that I hope you're taking

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Speaker 1: notice of. He said he five for bankruptcy, but he

642
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: still bounced back. Before we go back to the LEMISTERY

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Speaker 1: remind you come up later this morning. We speak with

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Speaker 1: Professor ray winbhisch from Morgan Stea University. Later this week

645
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: in here from the Masster teacher himself, Brother ashra Quasi

646
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Speaker 1: also Chim and Fred Hampton's going to join us. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Saby's son Abdul will be here. Also the founder of

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Speaker 1: the Black Laws for Justice, Brother Malik or a tournament

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Speaker 1: league Chabaz will also be here. So if you're in Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you keep you readily locked in tight on

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Speaker 1: ten ten WLB or if you're the DMV around fourteen

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Speaker 1: fifteen w L. All Right, brother Saint Claires. This background

653
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Speaker 1: that you shared with us before we left for the news.

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Speaker 1: Obviously you know the inner workings city government in Washington, DC,

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Speaker 1: especially when he comes to the mayor page. Your assessment

656
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Speaker 1: of miroal Bows before the break, I said that some

657
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: people were sort of disappointed with her. They voted for her,

658
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Speaker 1: and they thought she was she was kind of too

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Speaker 1: soft with Donald Trump with that whole Black Lives Matter bit,

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Speaker 1: and you know the five for the stadium. But do

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Speaker 1: you see that did you share the same view that

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Speaker 1: you know? The legacy? Well, let's put it this way.

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Speaker 1: What do you think her legacy will be other than

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Speaker 1: building the new stadium?

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Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you what you know. I've known her

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Speaker 5: quite some time. When I told you we won all

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Speaker 5: one hundred and forty two precincts, and I was the

668
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Speaker 5: ad in fenty's field director, and it was, like I said,

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Speaker 5: Unpresident right, each of the wards we had a coordinator

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Speaker 5: and my coordinator in Ward four was a young A

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Speaker 5: and C commissioner and I bring up it's called advisory

672
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Speaker 5: neighborhood commissioners, an unpaid service job that's elected that you

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Speaker 5: represent two thousand people at least in the area, and

674
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Speaker 5: you're responsible helping with the track and the things, the alleys,

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Speaker 5: and even permits for people who were trying to do

676
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Speaker 5: events and even alcohol licenses.

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Speaker 6: All this.

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Speaker 5: My reward for coordinator was this young sister named Mariel

679
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Speaker 5: Bowser and Miry Bowser at the time was working for

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Speaker 5: the government I think in Montgomery County and she was

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Speaker 5: am C commissioner. I actually met her for the first

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Speaker 5: time at a candle like vigil at a height at

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Speaker 5: a primary school and I think someone had got hit

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Speaker 5: by a car or someone was farmed, and I first

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Speaker 5: met her because I still remember, you know how you

686
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Speaker 5: do a candlelit vigil and a wax is hot and

687
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Speaker 5: get on your hand, so I remember that. But anyway,

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Speaker 5: so I've known her for you know, a long period

689
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Speaker 5: of her from A and C serving our people for free.

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Speaker 5: Her father was one of the first A and C

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Speaker 5: commissioners in Washington, d C. Maybe rest in peace. I

692
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Speaker 5: think he passed away last year. So she came from

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Speaker 5: that working collect service oriented approach. So she was someone who,

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Speaker 5: you know, with her degree again took a job in

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Speaker 5: government to help and serve. So she also then ran

696
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Speaker 5: for ANC in addition to front with her day job

697
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 5: where she did that as substan as a service. So

698
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Speaker 5: that just this I wanted to say that just to

699
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Speaker 5: give you a context where she come from, born and

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Speaker 5: raised in Washington, DC. So then she went from that

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Speaker 5: and then when Adrian Finthy left became mayor, she ran

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Speaker 5: for city council for his position, and she won, and

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Speaker 5: she won again. And her you know, her approach was

704
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 5: more like a no nonsense, you know, there's like I know,

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Speaker 5: people know about it, like the Alderman James types who

706
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Speaker 5: good times were they always slapping people on the back.

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Speaker 5: She was more of a you know, let's get this,

708
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Speaker 5: let's make this government work, let's get things done. And

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Speaker 5: she was just like that. We were running a campaign.

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Speaker 5: She was just like that with the city council. And

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Speaker 5: then as you've seen, she's went on to run for

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Speaker 5: mayor and she's won three times. No other woman, black, white,

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Speaker 5: or other anywhere in the country as one as mayor

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Speaker 5: three times of a major city. She our mayor is

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Speaker 5: the only one who's ever done that in the history

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Speaker 5: of the United States. So when you start talking about her,

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Speaker 5: I tell people, don't add nothing, but don't take anything away.

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Speaker 5: And I think her legacy is one that's really incredible

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Speaker 5: in spite of some really tragic, horrible things. She was

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Speaker 5: mayor during COVID, Like whatever you think about politicians of

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00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 5: people who are serving, you know, no one expected a

722
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Speaker 5: pandemic to hit the country.

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Speaker 6: She was the person.

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Speaker 5: Who was making sure with all these changes that DC

725
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Speaker 5: government stayed open. And unlike other places, DC staying open

726
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Speaker 5: is the capital of the in the United States. So

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Speaker 5: it's not just like I can, I says Daddy, or

728
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Speaker 5: people little Mississippi. But this is this like London, Paris, Nairobi, Harari,

729
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Speaker 5: Johanna's Victoria. So you're literally talking about She's not just

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Speaker 5: someone who's dealing with the day to day problem. She's

731
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Speaker 5: in the context of DC. She's operating the capitol, so

732
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Speaker 5: she's on front street on every issue that she might

733
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Speaker 5: include in the COVID situation. And again, this is somebody

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Speaker 5: born and raised in DC from a modest, working class

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Speaker 5: family activist base.

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Speaker 3: You know, never.

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Speaker 5: Touting her own horn. You never see her trying to

738
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Speaker 5: promote herself. She just was had her head down doing

739
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Speaker 5: the work of the people. And that's just her mentality.

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Speaker 5: So when I hear people talking about, you know, who

741
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 5: she is, much of who she is, unfortunately, might be

742
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Speaker 5: coming from the people that she she defeated. Like she's

743
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 5: never lost an election. But what I do know about politics,

744
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Speaker 5: every time she ran, she ran contested a racist. Let

745
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 5: me say another way, she had other people running against her.

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Speaker 5: So whatever you think about her, thank God for democracy,

747
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 5: right because that because in DC, the majority of the

748
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 5: people voted for her. So she didn't get there because

749
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Speaker 5: someone gave her, gave her something. She had to competitively

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Speaker 5: compete in the field of ideas and abilities with other people,

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Speaker 5: and she defeated all of them because of the people.

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Speaker 5: So if you don't like Miro, you cannot like her

753
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Speaker 5: as a person. I think that's you know, fair. But

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Speaker 5: she's not mayor because it's Muriel. She's mayor because the

755
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 5: people voted her in not just one time, but three times,

756
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Speaker 5: and if you count the other races, multiple times. She's

757
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Speaker 5: been deemed as a person who's not only qualified, but

758
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 5: more qualified than other people who profess.

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Speaker 6: To be better.

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Speaker 5: So when I hear some of the negativity, and I notice,

761
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Speaker 5: you know, again, I don't care who politician you like,

762
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 5: there's gonna always be people who don't like him. And

763
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Speaker 5: oftentimes that may not be based on what the actual

764
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 5: rhetoric they're using. Some people just want to be mayor too.

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Speaker 5: Some people just don't like this policy or that policy.

766
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Speaker 5: But the truth is in a democracy is that the

767
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Speaker 5: person who literally got the votes. And I'm not just

768
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Speaker 5: saying one time, but repeatedly with somebody who that particular

769
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Speaker 5: group of people said was the best person for us.

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Speaker 5: So again, when we talk about Mara Bioles and her ability,

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Speaker 5: it's not just mirror as an individual. It's just like

772
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Speaker 5: with other mayors of Washington DC. Adrian Fifthy lost his reelection.

773
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Speaker 5: The people said they didn't want him to be the mayor. Again,

774
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Speaker 5: I've lived that, I know what it means to lose.

775
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 5: I'm clear that the people can change their mind. But literally,

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Speaker 5: Muriel is one three times. So whatever she's been doing

777
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Speaker 5: has satisfied her constituents, and that's who she works for.

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Speaker 5: She doesn't worked for a Washington Post, she doesn't work

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Speaker 5: for CNN or Rock Fox News. She works for the

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00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 5: people of Washington, DC and everything she'd done for that

781
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 5: long record. Now, even though she's still young, she got

782
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Speaker 5: involved early, so she has a record that people can

783
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Speaker 5: look at and not just to talk about. And she

784
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Speaker 5: has a record not because I say so, but because

785
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Speaker 5: of the Constitution. DC has some of the most brilliant,

786
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Speaker 5: amazing black electric in the world. The DC pounds for pounds,

787
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Speaker 5: This area has one of the best and brightest, amazing people.

788
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Speaker 5: These are the people who voted her in. They're not flueless,

789
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 5: they understand politics, they understand what their needs are, and

790
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 5: they voted her in. So that doesn't mean that she

791
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 5: voted in and everybody likes everything they do. I don't

792
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 5: know a politician or a job, a manager, or a company,

793
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 5: or even a family or the leadership of the family

794
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 5: company or politics where you agree with everything they do.

795
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Speaker 5: That's just probably not rational to think that. But what

796
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 5: she's done is probably make DC in spite of all

797
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 5: the issues, like I just said, COVID, dealing with Donald Trump,

798
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Speaker 5: not just one time, two times, dealing with the insurrection

799
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Speaker 5: of these kuckoo birds who took over the Capitol, dealing

800
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Speaker 5: with Congress taking billions of dollars out of her out

801
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 5: of the budget just because they can't. She has no sovereignty.

802
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 5: It's not like Chicago where they got a county book,

803
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 5: county and Illinois as other means of governance to protect

804
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 5: the citizens. All we got is Mariel and she's the governess,

805
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 5: she's she's the council, she's the county commissioner, and she's

806
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 5: the mayor, all wrapped in one. That's a lot of

807
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 5: responts ability. Yet we have no representation of vote in Congress.

808
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 5: So when the people send ice, when the when the

809
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Speaker 5: president prom of the most wickedest president that we've had,

810
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Speaker 5: and now we got Donald Trump two point oh, so

811
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Speaker 5: Donald Trump one point oh. Muriel Bowser literally not only

812
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 5: dealt with COVID and to simultaneously she was dealing with

813
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 5: the murder of George Floyd. She was the mayor that

814
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 5: literally put the Black Lives Matter plaza on a map

815
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 5: on the country by putting it directly in front of

816
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 5: the White House, not some random street in some random city.

817
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 5: She with she was with Don Lewis, I still remember,

818
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 5: you know, good trouble. She literally put that on the

819
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 5: street right in front of Donald Trump in support of

820
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 5: George Floyd, right.

821
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: And I left though. Right there, I brother sat because

822
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Speaker 1: that's that's one of the critiques. I hear people say

823
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: that she crumbled, she so fast that she caved in

824
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Speaker 1: too Donald Trump when he told it to rake it

825
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Speaker 1: up or they were going to pull it up. Your response, Yeah.

826
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Speaker 5: But that's that's not factually correct. Black Lives Matter was

827
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Speaker 5: put on the street as a tribute and support of

828
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Speaker 5: George Floyd. She left it there for years, So it's

829
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Speaker 5: not like Donald Trump didn't like it when she put

830
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Speaker 5: it down. Donald Trump didn't like it when she put

831
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Speaker 5: it in the first place. It literally stayed there through

832
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Speaker 5: the rest of his term, through Biden's term, and then

833
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Speaker 5: you had Donald Trump returned. Now, I don't know if

834
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Speaker 5: anybody lived through the first half of twenty twenty five,

835
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Speaker 5: but twenty twenty five did not start off as a

836
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 5: normal year. These people were crazy. They had the Doge

837
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Speaker 5: thing going, There was a lot of things happening, and

838
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 5: again they took a billion dollars out of her budget. Now,

839
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Speaker 5: not only were they firing people in DC and the

840
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 5: surrounding areas through the federal So literally DC's money comes

841
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Speaker 5: from what these government you know, uh workers, as well

842
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Speaker 5: as the the all the things that come with it

843
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 5: with the contractors. Literally, Donald Trump was cutting everything, so

844
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 5: the economic tax base was being attacked. Money that was

845
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 5: bonifiably DC taxpayer money was literally being cut. They treated

846
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Speaker 5: DC like it was a federal agency like the Department

847
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 5: of Transportation or something, and cut took sole Let's just

848
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 5: call it what it is.

849
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Speaker 3: It wasn't their money.

850
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 5: So it's stealing. So she's dealing with all these issues

851
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 5: and now she's trying to get Congress to support her

852
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 5: inspite of the craziest person in the world.

853
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Speaker 1: And now right I thought, right there, brother, we got

854
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: to get caught up in the traffic and weather. We

855
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: come back. Now she's signed, she's not gonna run. So

856
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: she's basically as a lame duck. Do you think she's

857
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: a style will change? Should be more aggressive now when

858
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Speaker 1: it comes to Delliu and Donald Trump from here on out,

859
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: you know, building on her legacy. I want to get

860
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Speaker 1: to your thoughts on that, and also tell us who

861
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Speaker 1: do you see on the horizon, someone who can is

862
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 1: equal to the task that you could replace mural Bowser

863
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: and also perform admiraly that you think the Washingtonians would

864
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: agree on. I'll let you answer those questions when we

865
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: get back. I know it's a lot to put it

866
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: on your plate. Brother Seec Cleve, I know you can

867
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: handle it as well. It's three minutes away from the

868
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: top they our families. I mentioned you two can get

869
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: in on our conversation with brother Sint Clair Skinner. Reach

870
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: out to us at eight hundred four or five zero

871
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls.

872
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: After the trafficking weather, that's together and it's an next

873
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: grand rising family. Thanks for starting your week with us,

874
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: and so thanks for starting the month of December. Yes,

875
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: December first, it's too many. So after the top there

876
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: I guess his brother Saint Clair Skinner, who works out

877
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: of Washington, DC. It's a humanitarian and activists. We're discussing,

878
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: you know, his support for Muriel Bowser, the mayor of

879
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: those who are loosening around the country, the d c's mayage.

880
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: She's not running for re election and this brother Saint

881
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: Cleary uh supported her and he supports what she's done.

882
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 1: And we're discussing her legacy, what's and and the question

883
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: I'm posted red before we left for the trafficking Whaler

884
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: was who does he see out there right now on

885
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: the political landscape in Washington, d C. Who could replace me?

886
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: Robao that he thinks Washingtonians would, would you know, have

887
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: come to some sort of consensus over So, brother Saint Clare,

888
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: I'll let you have to respond to those questions after

889
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 1: you finish your thought.

890
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 6: You know.

891
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 5: I think, like I said, we weren't going to speak

892
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 5: on this as well as the topic. But I think

893
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 5: if I was thinking of anybody while we were on

894
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 5: the break, I was thinking, I would think, as you

895
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 5: brought a native Washingtonian excuse me, that I think would

896
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 5: be a good candidate. Again, there's a lot of people running,

897
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 5: but those I think who served already would be a

898
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 5: Kenya McDuffie. He's definitely been. He's an independent. He's not

899
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 5: a Democrat right now or Republican right now. He's literally

900
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 5: an independent. So he's been. He's prior to that, he

901
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 5: was a Democrat, but he literally stood up as independent.

902
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 5: So I think he's one of those folks who's not

903
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 5: bossed by a party. So I think he's good. And

904
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 5: I think because of his support of black businesses, his

905
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 5: stance on gentrification, I think he's somebody who would be

906
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 5: a good candidate. But again, you know, we'll see how

907
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 5: all these things play out. And you know, I have

908
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 5: a tendency to be you know, I support him a

909
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 5: Donnie in New York. So I'm I'm kind of one

910
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 5: of those folks who, again, my politics are based on

911
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 5: who I think would be best for you know, our community.

912
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 5: So I would He's a council member currently, so he

913
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 5: has name recognition, I think, but I would do Kenny mcduffiey.

914
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 5: I think he'd be amazing.

915
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair. I'm glad you're right. This is not

916
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: what we were to talk that we actually wanted to

917
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: talk about a couple of other things. You know, you're

918
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: about to go to the continent and make the stops

919
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: in Mauritius or Zimbabwe and also South Africa. Purpose of

920
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: your trip. Can you share that with us this morning?

921
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 7: Yeah?

922
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 5: Absolutely so as you you know, you've known and appreciate

923
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 5: your support. We've been doing the Black Blockchain Summit now

924
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 5: several years and there's an African Bigcoin conference that's going

925
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 5: on and Mauritius, so I'm going to make sure we

926
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 5: attend and let them know what their brothers and sisters

927
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 5: are doing. Uh, in the States and get more of

928
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 5: our brothers and systems on the continent to participate in

929
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 5: what we're doing and do basically you know, technology exchange

930
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 5: and again just the Pan African unity. As a Pan Africanist,

931
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 5: I think it's important that we.

932
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 6: Do these things.

933
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 5: And I actually say this to people. Have friends who

934
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 5: asked me about traveling to Africa or how to go abroad,

935
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 5: and I tell people, you know, I'm pro black. I'm

936
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 5: on the black guys like first, in the middle, end

937
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 5: the last. But what I also like is meeting our

938
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 5: brothers and sisters and other places with common interests. And

939
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 5: because I'm an engineer, because I'm a technologist, meeting brothers

940
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 5: and sisters on the continent who are traveling from all

941
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 5: over to a meeting where we all have a common

942
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 5: interest in addition to being black, I think it's amazing.

943
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 5: So if you're a plumber and there's a plumber's conference

944
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 5: in Johannesburg, I think it's the best time to go

945
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 5: to Africa. Is not as a tourist. Like again France

946
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 5: Manonan said, you meet an African in Europe, they're either

947
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 5: a tourist, a slave or a trader. If they're a

948
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 5: tourists in them back home, if they're a slave, freedom

949
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 5: and if they're a trader, you know what we do

950
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 5: with those so to me when we're traveling and again,

951
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 5: you know, people identify themselves as all these acronyms now

952
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 5: and I think it's fine however people identify. But I

953
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 5: think when we're with our community in the diaspora, it's

954
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 5: great to meet folks who you know, somebody is a

955
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 5: journalist conference, you know, you're a journalist. You know, going

956
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 5: to something on the continent and meeting your peers who

957
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 5: are doing the work that you're doing in the States

958
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 5: is a great way to meet people. So I'm doing

959
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 5: that and then we're having our launch. We've now doing

960
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 5: our official launch of the app. You know, we've had

961
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 5: a network for the I Love Black People And on

962
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 5: December thirteenth, we're having an event in Zimbabwe and Harari

963
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 5: at our office there. We have office in what we

964
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 5: call the hi c C. It's the Rari International Conference Center.

965
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 5: We have an office and we're going to launch our

966
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 5: new app so that people can you know, download that

967
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 5: and talk about it. And we're actually recruiting ambassadors in

968
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 5: the States. So if people is on LinkedIn right now.

969
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 5: People want to be I Love Black People Ambassadors to

970
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:05,760
Speaker 5: help us identify and validate Pan African Black friendly spaces globally.

971
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 5: You know, please, You know, we got a stipmen. We

972
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 5: pay monthly, so it's not a volunteer position. It's a

973
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 5: real position. And we want brothers and sisters to do

974
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 5: what they do informally, like we already when someone comes

975
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 5: to DC, hey it's a good place to go for this,

976
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 5: or if you get sick, Hey, this is my doctor,

977
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 5: you should go there, or this is my dentist. Well

978
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 5: this is the same thing, but now we're digitizing it

979
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 5: under the same offices of the original Green Books. And again,

980
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 5: it doesn't have to be black honed. They just have

981
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 5: to be people who respect and treat us with dignity

982
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 5: and respect and that you can vouch for, just like

983
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 5: you would do with your family and friends. And I

984
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 5: tell people, you know, I'm went to Tuskegee and Howard,

985
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 5: you know, a member of these organizations. I have access

986
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 5: to people, but not everyone does. But that doesn't mean

987
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 5: they don't deserve to be treated with the dignity respect

988
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 5: that we all deserve. So you could be in Thailand

989
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 5: or you could be in Denmark. I just recently was

990
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 5: in Portugal. You know, you get sick overseas and Lisbon.

991
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 5: You know, it may not be a black doctor, but

992
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 5: there might be a doctor that the black people in

993
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 5: that community go to and it could be a Mongolian

994
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 5: woman doctor and Lizabeth, you know, to be able to

995
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 5: be a part of a community. Globally, that's focused just

996
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 5: on making sure that we're safe. There's never been a

997
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 5: global safety net for people of the asking a diaspora,

998
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 5: and we represent one point five billion people that's the

999
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 5: size of China, so we deserve that. So we're not waiting.

1000
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 5: Just like Victor Green didn't wait with the Green Book

1001
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,879
Speaker 5: for churches, or for the government or for someone else.

1002
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 5: This is the same thing we're doing. We're leveraging the

1003
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 5: brains are the most brilliant, beautiful Black people on the planet.

1004
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 6: Ambassadors.

1005
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 5: If you have as a part time job's remote, you

1006
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 5: don't have to come to an office. What we need

1007
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 5: you to do is be able to use the app

1008
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 5: to recruit and validate these black owned businesses, I mean

1009
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,919
Speaker 5: these black friendly businesses, so that we can make sure

1010
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 5: that we have a global set in a safety net

1011
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 5: for the first time in the history of planet. So

1012
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 5: that's a big thing that we're doing in Zimbabwe. We

1013
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 5: also have a global green Book that would come out

1014
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 5: every year. We'll be finishing that up this this with

1015
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 5: the team.

1016
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 3: Uh.

1017
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 5: You know, I have a team that's in Nairobi, in

1018
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 5: South Africa, in Harari and in Kei Galliwanda. So I

1019
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 5: use this time at the end of the year to

1020
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 5: kind of bring our team together finish up on our projects.

1021
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 5: We've done quite a bit this year. I'm very proud

1022
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 5: of a team and that's how I finish out the

1023
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 5: year and then I'll be back and you know with

1024
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 5: my wife and family and having a great uh festive season.

1025
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,479
Speaker 6: Have require it early, all right.

1026
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: You know interesting that you announced this today because you

1027
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 1: know this is a signed by Monday. And I'm sure

1028
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: we've seen the news reports of people telling us we

1029
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: should we should be selective in purchases from here on

1030
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: now till the end of the year, and we should

1031
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: look for black for black businesses to buy stuff. Can

1032
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,919
Speaker 1: they use it right now? Is I love black people?

1033
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: Is it's set up now that folks who are looking

1034
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: to buy or use black companies? Can they do that?

1035
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: If they if they you know, someone, some people are

1036
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: not really divorced yet from uh how do you call

1037
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 1: it white society? Yet I still think themselves as white

1038
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: addicted to white, as a doctor Fox teaches us, you know,

1039
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 1: And so they still get into the Christmas thing. Can

1040
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: they get gifts and stuff like that from your site?

1041
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 5: Well no, So, so the app is up and we're

1042
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 5: you know, finishing out our beta stage for our official

1043
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 5: launch and the app is definitely praise.

1044
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 6: God him the law.

1045
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 5: But our app, just like the original green Book, is

1046
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 5: only focused on physical location. So remember you know the

1047
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 5: original green Book, not remember I know you know, But

1048
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 5: just to remind audience, the original green Book had nothing

1049
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 5: to do with the black dollar. I had nothing to

1050
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 5: do with white folks, ice folder or not. It had

1051
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 5: something to do with we don't want you to be

1052
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 5: killed to death tonight. We don't want you to be

1053
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 5: in the sundowntown where they're lynching us and harming us,

1054
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 5: legally harming us. So our app is literally about safety,

1055
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 5: not the economy per se. The context is that and

1056
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 5: this is the same context. It's not me, this is

1057
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 5: still victim Green So we're just leveraging the brains of

1058
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,240
Speaker 5: our ancestors, but literally the fact that the business owner

1059
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 5: can control the environment of their business, meaning the store

1060
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 5: or the hotel or the doctor's office. Our focus is

1061
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 5: on brick and mortar spaces. So the good news on

1062
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 5: the economic side, brick and mortar black owned businesses definitely helped.

1063
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 5: That's not to say online black businesses don't need help,

1064
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 5: but brick and mortar businesses. And this is me as

1065
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 5: the person who in bankrupt with a dry plans. It's

1066
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 5: hard as hell open the store. Shout out to all

1067
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 5: the brothers and sisters that are opening up the store

1068
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 5: today where they got us start the month off like

1069
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 5: this was the hardest. This is the first of the month,

1070
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 5: so you literally got to make sure you're making payroll

1071
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 5: by Friday, pay the rent or the on your spot,

1072
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,760
Speaker 5: get new supplies like the clock stots all back.

1073
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 6: Over right now.

1074
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Speaker 5: So our focus is on those brick and mortar spaces

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00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 5: that are that can create a safe, respectable environment for

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00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 5: our people where they won't be harms And we're bringing

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00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:30,919
Speaker 5: that all together in the global network through our relationship

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00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 5: with our members who are the ones and ambassadors who

1079
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 5: are recommending these spaces. So it's a physical space can

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00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 5: people use it right now? The answers Yes, I should

1081
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 5: have probably said that at the beginning. Yes, you can

1082
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 5: use the app right now. I love black People dot Com.

1083
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 5: You can check out check it out there, or you

1084
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 5: go to Apple Store, or you can go to Google

1085
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 5: play Store and I love Black People Safe Places downloads free.

1086
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 5: But we always ask everybody for their details because you

1087
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 5: have to register the app, because you've got.

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00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 6: To know who you are.

1089
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 5: You can't just get on the app and start doing anything.

1090
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 5: So you know, it's restrictive because we want to make

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00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 5: sure that we have the people who who they are.

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00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 5: You got to give your phone number all these things,

1093
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 5: and it's not a valid phone number, you're not going

1094
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 5: to be able to join.

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00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 8: In the app.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm glad you met at fourteen half of

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00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: the top of our family. Just checking it out. Brother

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00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: Saint Clair skinners with us this morning. We're talking about business,

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00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: We're talking about all bunch of stuff. But yeah, you too,

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00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: in the time you feel that you want to fit

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00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: in on this conversation. Just jumping at eight hundred four

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00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six. I was going

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00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: to say, you know, I'm glad that you mentioned about

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00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: the business. You know, some people, people who have not

1105
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: had a business, run a business, started a business, don't

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00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: understand the complexities from the business. As you mentioned, this

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00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: is not this wouldn't be their most opportune time to

1108
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: start open up a business, this time at the start

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00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: of the year or this, you know, because nobody's really thinking, well,

1110
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,479
Speaker 1: most people are not thinking about perching and doing stuff.

1111
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: They're all into the holidays. So this time of the

1112
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 1: year wouldn't be a great time to open a business,

1113
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:04,479
Speaker 1: wouldn't you say so as well?

1114
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 5: Well, I think it's about opportunity.

1115
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 6: I think eye open businesses.

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00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 5: I say, when everyone's zigging you zag, I think there's

1117
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 5: an opportunity and everything. And so you and you're talking

1118
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 5: to an entrepreneur, you know, a lifelong spirit entrepreneur. So

1119
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 5: asking me when it is not a good time. Look,

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00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 5: I've failed a lot and I won a little bit.

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00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 5: And I think, you know, going back to what we

1122
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 5: started off with, you have a calling. And when you

1123
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 5: have a calling, you know, don't let the season or

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00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 5: the time of the day, you know, change that. Like

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00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 5: I tell people, try to get many shots on goal

1126
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:44,439
Speaker 5: because one of them.

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00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 6: Going to go in.

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Speaker 5: But you try to always wait just to get the

1129
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 5: right shot. You know, life goes by, so you know

1130
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 5: you're asking me, and I'm someone who's loved and lost.

1131
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 5: But it's better to love and lost than never love

1132
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 5: it all. I think it's better to try to do

1133
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 5: something amazing that you know consumes your passions and that

1134
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 5: you're just devoted to and lose, then to be one

1135
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 5: of these folks that sit around talking about other people

1136
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 5: like miraboos or anybody else. Like I'm not that guy.

1137
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 5: Like you know, I'm not a gossiper like you know,

1138
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 5: I don't. We need to be about the business of

1139
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 5: our lives, or about our lives. I shouldn't call it business.

1140
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 5: Are probably more of a socialist, but literally, we need

1141
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 5: to be about our you know, our purpose every day

1142
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 5: when we wake up in the morning, we should try

1143
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 5: to do everything to fulfill that purpose. I don't care

1144
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 5: what day it is, or what month it is, or

1145
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 5: what year, or who's who's in office, who's president, who's

1146
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 5: the mayor, none of that does None of that determine

1147
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 5: what I was gonna.

1148
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 3: Do with my life.

1149
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 5: Praise got him to do a lot. We got to

1150
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 5: wake up and know that what we have inside is

1151
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 5: so amazing. We need to get it out. Let's do it.

1152
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, hold the thought of that, because we come

1153
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: up on a prain. But how do you find what

1154
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: your purpose is? How did you find what your purpose is?

1155
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: You mentioned that you you did a lot of things

1156
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: and you failed east and you got up. That's the

1157
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: most important thing you feel. Don't don't stay down. You

1158
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: got up. You tried something else. Maybe it didn't work out,

1159
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: but she still kept trying. He kept trying. You know,

1160
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: people don't have a lot of people don't feel they

1161
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: have that in them. You know, once they fail, say okay,

1162
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 1: I'm done throwing my chips and I'll go away and.

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01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,919
Speaker 5: Like it, like what you just said about what year

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01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 5: or what time of the year, like when you really

1165
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 5: enjoy it, like like me, the only thing I don't

1166
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 5: like is being away from my wife on a trip.

1167
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 5: But literally I love the work, like it's really enjoyable

1168
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:31,919
Speaker 5: and I can.

1169
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 6: See the results. Now.

1170
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 5: The problem is I'm definitely not patient and I hate waiting.

1171
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 5: So I still have to deal with that spirit in

1172
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 5: me that has just got a sense of urgency, that's

1173
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 5: like a fire burning in my stomach. But with that

1174
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 5: being said, I literally enjoy it.

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01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: I still remember, all right, hold up right that because

1176
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: we got to step aside. I'll let you finish that

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01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: fought when you get back. But also tell us what

1178
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: you do with the naysayers, brother saying clear, because people

1179
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: out there probably have the same passion for doing something,

1180
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: but they've got maybe their mom, their wife, or their

1181
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: brother or the friends that they think of as ah man,

1182
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: that's not going to work. That's give all the different

1183
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 1: reasons why they're going to fail. So when and I'm

1184
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: sure you've met those folks, So how did you handle that?

1185
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 1: And I'll let you explain to that when we get back.

1186
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: Family YouTube can join us on this discussion with brother

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01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: sin Claiir Skinner. Just hit us up at eight hundred

1188
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: four five zero seventy eight seventy six er and take

1189
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: your phone calls next and grand Rising family twenty one

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01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: minutes off the top of they are welcome to December.

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01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: It's the first of December on this Monday morning. I

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01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: guess his brother, Saint Clair Skinner brother Sinclea is a

1193
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: business person, entrepreneur. He's got businesses across the planet. And

1194
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 1: my question to him, though, because everything comes with the

1195
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: thought process when you're starting to do anything that you

1196
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: do starts in your mind before you even that's where

1197
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 1: it's conceived, and then you've got you've got to work

1198
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 1: your plan. But sometimes along the way you suggest your

1199
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: plan to maybe your significant other or a friend or

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01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: somebody who you thought was also in the business, and

1201
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: they dowed it down. So, Brother Sinclaire, I wonder if

1202
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: that has happened to you. If so, how did you

1203
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: handle it? Because I'm sure there's people right now thinking

1204
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: about I want to do this and I want to

1205
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: do that, and the plan they had got turned down

1206
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 1: by you know, people they respect. First of all, nobody

1207
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: can insult you unless you got to respect that person

1208
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: first for them to insult you, because if you don't

1209
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: respect them, the insult doesn't work. But put that, let's

1210
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 1: put that to the side. But Brother Sinclair, how did

1211
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: you deal if you had that those issues to deal

1212
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: with when you're starting your businesses?

1213
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 5: Well, you know, my grandfather shared something with my father,

1214
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 5: and it wasn't the totality of this poem was a poem,

1215
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 5: and I learned about it actually pledging a fraternity, but

1216
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 5: it was something I had first heard of from my

1217
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 5: father and did give credit to a guy named Roger

1218
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 5: Rupert Kipperling, who probably wasn't actual offer, because I've studied

1219
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 5: him he didn't see that bright. But this, this poem

1220
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 5: kind of kind of capsulated what is real short, but

1221
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 5: it's that. It's called if, and it says, if you

1222
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 5: can keep your head when all about you or losing

1223
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 5: theirs and blaming it on you. If you can trust

1224
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 5: yourself when all men doubt you, but make allowance for

1225
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 5: their doubting too. If you can wait and not be

1226
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 5: tired by waiting or being lied about, and don't deal

1227
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 5: in lies or being hated, and don't give way to hating,

1228
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 5: and yet don't look too good nor talk too wise.

1229
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 5: If you can dream and not make dreams your master.

1230
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 5: If you can think and not make thoughts your aim.

1231
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:40,479
Speaker 5: If you can meet with triumph and disaster and treat

1232
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 5: those two impostors just the same. If you can bear

1233
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 5: to hear the truth that you've spoken, twist it by

1234
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 5: knaves to make traps for fools, or watch the things

1235
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 5: that you gave your life to broken and stoop and

1236
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 5: build them up with worn out fools. If you can

1237
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 5: make one heap of all your winnings and risk it

1238
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 5: on one turn of pitch and toss and lose, and

1239
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 5: start again at your beginnings, and never breathe a word

1240
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 5: about your loss. If you can force your heart nervous

1241
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 5: in you to serve you your turn long after they

1242
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 5: are gone. And so hold on when there's nothing in

1243
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 5: you except the will which says to them, hold on

1244
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 5: if you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,

1245
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 5: or walk with kings, nor lose the common touch. If

1246
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 5: neither foes, and this is key to your question, This

1247
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 5: is very key. It says, if neither foes nor loving

1248
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 5: friends can hurt you, let me say it on the time.

1249
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 6: He says, if.

1250
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 5: Neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you, if all

1251
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 5: men count with you, but none too much, If you

1252
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 5: can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds worth of distance,

1253
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 5: run yours is the earth, that everything that is in it,

1254
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 5: and which is more, you'll be a man, my son.

1255
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 5: So this poem kind of does that duality of things

1256
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 5: where you have to do a balance. And yes, fools

1257
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 5: will try to hurt you. And as I told you,

1258
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 5: my phones were actually right about the drag clean business

1259
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:21,479
Speaker 5: with my friends that were kind of wrong. I would

1260
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 5: just say that just because people love you doesn't mean

1261
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 5: you have to let them hurt you.

1262
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 6: And be careful with that.

1263
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 5: Like again, my father, who I love. My dad's amazing

1264
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 5: was it is amazing, you know. He said, look, you

1265
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 5: went through all these years to go to college and

1266
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 5: you want to do a drag clean He actually was right,

1267
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 5: he's right, but he turned around and starts supporting me

1268
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 5: with my cleaners because he loved me. So I would

1269
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 5: say that you're going to have people doubt you, but

1270
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 5: don't let that doubting and all the butscillites take and

1271
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 5: listen though I don't think it's about you know, covering

1272
01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 5: your ears, you know, don't just don't let that determine

1273
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 5: the outcome. Weigh those things I tell people in any

1274
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 5: decision you make, there's going to be pros and con

1275
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 5: If anybody tells you it's all good and stuff, I've

1276
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 5: not seen that. There's always a consequence, there's always something else.

1277
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 5: So I just think again, But I said it, And

1278
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 5: I used to talk about this thing, where is it

1279
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 5: the head?

1280
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 6: Books?

1281
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 5: You watch this thing wanted to train the head to

1282
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 5: hearten the hands, And I used to think the head

1283
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 5: was more powerful than any other part of the body,

1284
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 5: the brain, but it's really your heart.

1285
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 6: The heart is the most powerful.

1286
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Speaker 5: And I again, I rather have loved and lost than

1287
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 5: never to have loved at all. It's not my intellect.

1288
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 5: It's been the passions that made this life worth living.

1289
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Speaker 5: If I don't make it past today, this thing's been

1290
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 5: a stone cold blased And I'm telling you it was

1291
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 5: because of the passion. It wasn't some intellectual capitalists or equation.

1292
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 5: It was living a life worth living. Like literally, and again,

1293
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 5: I still cry about some of my losses. I do

1294
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 5: I should let go, and I do regret things. It

1295
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 5: was all about regrets. I do have regrets. There's people

1296
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 5: I've heard, there's things I've done that if I had

1297
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 5: the chance to do again, I change it.

1298
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 3: This is truth.

1299
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 5: I can't make it up and say, oh no, you know,

1300
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 5: my self esteem is high enough to fall and get

1301
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 5: back up. And I think that is another thing self esteem.

1302
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 5: Self esteem is not saying that you're not going to

1303
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 5: make a mistake. You know, people have big egos and

1304
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 5: they fall down, they normally have small self esteem because

1305
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,639
Speaker 5: they blame everybody else. When you have a healthy self esteem,

1306
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 5: you know that life is going to sometime put you

1307
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 5: on your butt. It's so great, Yeah, because you're going

1308
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 5: to get up. If you have a big ego, you're

1309
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 5: not going to even give yourself the opportunity to improve

1310
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 5: yourself because you're going to blame everybody else. But all

1311
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 5: the things I just told you about, the bankruptcies, the

1312
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 5: losing elections, and getting kicked out of school, I learned

1313
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 5: from those things. Now again, if I had to change

1314
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 5: in my would, but I learned from them. So I

1315
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:01,719
Speaker 5: gained in that way, And so don't be afraid to gain.

1316
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 6: You can learn from a coach, or you can learn

1317
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 6: from your mistakes. Try to learn from both and get

1318
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 6: a good coach.

1319
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 1: Well, let me s you, I said twenty eight after

1320
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 1: tough though, when did you learn? Did you learn after

1321
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:16,640
Speaker 1: or when you were going through the process were you

1322
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: were you figuring that out going through the procession?

1323
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 6: No?

1324
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 5: No, after some even long long time after, like sometimes

1325
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 5: is so close and so near you that it's hard

1326
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 5: to contextualize it. So as time you know, there's another

1327
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 5: and I'm not going to read it. But he didn't

1328
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 5: write it. But Frank Sinatra when he talks about his song,

1329
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 5: I did it my way and in that song he

1330
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:47,559
Speaker 5: talks about how there's things that made you cry once

1331
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 5: upon a time, and now you look back and you

1332
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 5: kind of laugh, And I think that's a part of it. Like,

1333
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 5: you know, I used to not be able to even

1334
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 5: talk about my bankruptcy. I was ashamed, like literally very

1335
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 5: hurt inside that I failed and I failed so many people,

1336
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:07,639
Speaker 5: and that, you know, this is very It was very hurt.

1337
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 5: I don't even tell my parents, but what I as

1338
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 5: time went on and I realized, you know, one of

1339
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 5: the things that helped, and this is after Adrian lost

1340
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 5: Adrian fifty lost his mayor's race, he went out to

1341
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 5: Silicon Valley and I went out there with them. And

1342
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 5: I went out there, and these folks in Silicon Valley,

1343
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 5: they've been bankrupt like ten times. They would tell you

1344
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 5: about all their businesses, and they actually saw bankruptcy as

1345
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 5: a badge of honor because it means that you took

1346
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 5: on a challenge that was greater than yourself and survived.

1347
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 5: And they would talk about bankruptcy like that was a

1348
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 5: part of the process. Like they didn't trust people who

1349
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 5: hadn't failed, Like when they hear people, oh, I've never failed,

1350
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 5: everything worked, They say, either their liars or they never

1351
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 5: done anything great or amazing, Because if you do something

1352
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 5: that's great or never been done before, there's a high

1353
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 5: degree chance that you're going to fail at at least

1354
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:05,560
Speaker 5: the first time. And failure is literally a part of

1355
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 5: the success process. It's okay. Not only is it okay

1356
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 5: if you're doing something that no one's ever done before,

1357
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:14,879
Speaker 5: there's a great degree that there's going to be failure involved.

1358
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 5: But as you said, get back up and not just

1359
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 5: get back up and blame the world. Get back up

1360
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 5: and analyze what happened, and those are the things that,

1361
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 5: you know, start healing from the bankruptcy was like realizing

1362
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:34,839
Speaker 5: that there's a space of businesses where winning and losing

1363
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 5: was not how they determine your success.

1364
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 6: It really was.

1365
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 5: And again I'm not saying Silicon Valley steel racism is

1366
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 5: all the things you think it is, but literally their

1367
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 5: constant of business was It's a different type of thing.

1368
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 5: These people are trying to think of things that would

1369
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 5: change the world. They're not just trying to change their address,

1370
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 5: so just change their wardrobe. You're trying to change the world.

1371
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 5: There's a great you know, our ancests that fought the

1372
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:02,959
Speaker 5: revolutions in Africa in the United States are resistance. They

1373
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:06,480
Speaker 5: had ideas and many of them failed. They killed our ancestors,

1374
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 5: they literally they did.

1375
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 1: Well, let me jump in and ask you this question, though,

1376
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,599
Speaker 1: brother Sinclair, let me ask you this question in twenty

1377
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: nine minutes away from the top of our family sinclass skinners,

1378
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: I guess he's just a successful business person following the bankruptcy.

1379
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 1: How long did it take for you to reassess, regroup

1380
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 1: and get back up and write again. How long did

1381
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 1: he take?

1382
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:30,639
Speaker 5: It took four years? Four years? It took four years.

1383
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 5: I yeah, it took so two thousand and three, by

1384
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 5: two thousand and seven, By two thousand and seven, I

1385
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 5: got back up. The first people I paid with my

1386
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 5: friends and family. I had girlfriends I had dated that

1387
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 5: had loaned me money. I paid them back. I paid

1388
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 5: back my friends, and then I paid back my creditors.

1389
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 5: And then I got on one of those programs where

1390
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 5: they help you with your credit card score and you know,

1391
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 5: and it actually worked, and I got myself back up.

1392
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 5: And then the first thing I bought was a house,

1393
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:09,760
Speaker 5: and then I bought a car everything else. Let me

1394
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:13,799
Speaker 5: just say, though, I was blessed like again, my biggest

1395
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 5: thing that was a difference maker for me wasn't money,

1396
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 5: Like because again I was bank brother, I had no money.

1397
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 5: I had some of the best friends and family in

1398
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 5: the world though, That's what I'm saying. Like literally, even

1399
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 5: my bankruptcy, even when I was dead broke as an adult,

1400
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 5: I wasn't raised broke. My daddy came home every night

1401
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 5: and we always ate watched the news. But literally, as

1402
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 5: an adult being broke, I had friends that valued me.

1403
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 8: To me, that was me.

1404
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 5: And I tell you, and I'll say this out loud,

1405
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 5: like that these relationships are everything I would not be

1406
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 5: where I am today. Well then you know I'm a

1407
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 5: member Union Temple Baptist Church. You know Reverend Willie Wilson,

1408
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,680
Speaker 5: Mary Wilson. You know, these were folks who were very

1409
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:59,600
Speaker 5: supportive of me when I got came to DC and

1410
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 5: support I come from a family of people that may

1411
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 5: not be blood cans, but have really been there for

1412
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:11,680
Speaker 5: me and been great examples. So it's definitely not me.

1413
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 5: God is good, you know, give all glory to God.

1414
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 6: It's not me.

1415
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 5: But I would say God provided relationships with people who

1416
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 5: valued me as a person, not because of money, and

1417
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 5: I would even say with business. You know, I've done

1418
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 5: better with people that I had a relationship that was

1419
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 5: based on a real love and respect than people who

1420
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 5: were transactional. I've been people have beat me for hundreds

1421
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 5: of thousands of dollars now that I met just through

1422
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 5: business because they didn't value my humanity. Now that doesn't

1423
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 5: say I had had people that I beating out of

1424
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 5: money too, but I will say that I'd rather lost

1425
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 5: with people that I deeply cared about than went with

1426
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 5: people who every day I got to look over my

1427
01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 5: shoulder with. And I've lost, I had things taken from me.

1428
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 5: But literally, I've been with some of the livest, awesomest people.

1429
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 5: So it becomes like, again, now it's the chapters in

1430
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 5: this book and the fact that they didn't kill me

1431
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 5: in the movie. You know what I'm saying. You know,

1432
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 5: there was the black guy gets killed, but look, you know,

1433
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 5: and I tell black people listen, a lot of these

1434
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:21,600
Speaker 5: movies start off as romance as comedies, but many of

1435
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 5: our movies end up as a horror movie, especially when

1436
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 5: you're trying to be ultra successful in a white supervist paradigm.

1437
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 5: But I literally say that, you know, I've met some

1438
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:33,440
Speaker 5: of the best people on this journey. So the destination,

1439
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,600
Speaker 5: I guess is important, but I don't think it is

1440
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 5: as important as the journey. Like I'm about to go

1441
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 5: to Africa, I don't just I have people in Africa

1442
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 5: that have been very supportive of me. I've been beaten Africa.

1443
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 5: There's people who taken advantage of me my romantic view

1444
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 5: of Pan Afganism. And it's been people who've been go

1445
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:56,799
Speaker 5: hards that have given their lives to make my dreams

1446
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 5: to come true. Let me say another way, I have

1447
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 5: people that have woken and every day and you go

1448
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 5: to to every night helping me with my dreams. So

1449
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 5: I have nothing but respect for all of this. This

1450
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 5: has been a stone cold blast.

1451
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 1: I haven't heard that in a while. But listen, taking

1452
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 1: yourself brother Saint Claire. But I think of it, Shanna,

1453
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 1: you know you need to put this in a book.

1454
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 1: I mean the people youngsters out there, younger people or

1455
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 1: even the adults who are probably seeing the same thing,

1456
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 1: maybe not doing what you're doing on the same field,

1457
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 1: but want to get into business, and they've had some

1458
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 1: setbacks or some hurdles that they think they can't get over.

1459
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 1: And they just, oh, they that's probably wasn't meant for me.

1460
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 1: You know, let me read the horoscope today and see

1461
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 1: what he's telling me to do. Oh, the horoscope tells me,

1462
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:46,720
Speaker 1: Now I was supposed to do this, So I'm gonna

1463
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 1: go with the horoscope instead of going with their heart,

1464
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 1: which is what you did and that fire within you

1465
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 1: that made you successful. So I'd love for you to

1466
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:58,719
Speaker 1: write a book, man, and just share your experiences, because

1467
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm just listening here. This is just for our young people,

1468
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:03,479
Speaker 1: especially young people coming up, because there's gonna be a

1469
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 1: lot of doors in miss Slam denial faces and you

1470
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 1: still got to keep on going.

1471
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know, I think you know, this is

1472
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:13,719
Speaker 5: something I struggled.

1473
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 6: You know.

1474
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:18,560
Speaker 5: It's a lot, it's a fire hydrant, you know. And

1475
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:22,560
Speaker 5: I didn't bring this up. We just got an IRS

1476
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 5: designation for a new i've never had one, a nonprofit

1477
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 5: called Greenwood Labs, where we're taking a lot of the

1478
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 5: work we're doing and Greenwood. People think of Tulsa, but

1479
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 5: the first Greenwood actually took place in Tuskegee with Booker

1480
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:43,719
Speaker 5: t Washed and literally that was what Tulsa was modeled

1481
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 5: after that. Greenwood Mississippi, which was like a swamp plantation

1482
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 5: at Greenwood And I just purchased two houses in Tuskegee

1483
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:55,759
Speaker 5: in the area that was that original space on Bibb Street.

1484
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 5: And we're working with the university, got like one of

1485
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 5: the coaches from the sports team, Like we're trying to

1486
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:04,560
Speaker 5: do things a vet school student, try to create a

1487
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:08,680
Speaker 5: space where it's safe for our people and nurturing and

1488
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:11,639
Speaker 5: give back to the university. So it's not just value

1489
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 5: even going to Africa, it's everywhere our people are. You

1490
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:16,600
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. No, I don't care where we

1491
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:18,680
Speaker 5: are on plan. You know, I told you I just

1492
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 5: got back from China and we're working on. One of

1493
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 5: the projects we're working on in Africa is solar. Right now,

1494
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 5: there's still a lot of what they call load shedding,

1495
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:31,720
Speaker 5: where it shut down the electric grid and people know

1496
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 5: they're going to have no power. Actually leveraging what's going

1497
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 5: on in China to help with the batteries, inverters and

1498
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 5: the solar panels. So I think there's something for everyone

1499
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 5: to do. Like I think everybody has their own skills.

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01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,639
Speaker 5: You know, some people are good at numbers, some people

1501
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 5: may be good it's speaking. Some people may be good

1502
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:56,759
Speaker 5: at engineer and hold.

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01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 1: Right there, Brother to check the news, traffic and win

1504
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 1: at different cities again, and when we come back, Monte

1505
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 1: wants to join the conversation. He's online too. We'll get

1506
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:06,200
Speaker 1: to him as well, and you two can do the same. Family,

1507
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 1: just reach out to us at eight hundred and four

1508
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six and you'll speak

1509
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 1: to Sinclair Skinner right after the traffic, news and weather.

1510
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,599
Speaker 1: That's next and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your

1511
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 1: week with us. It's also starting the month of December first,

1512
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes away from the top of our guess, Brother

1513
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:25,559
Speaker 1: Sinclair Skinner. Brother Sinclair, he's a humanitarian actress in Washington, DC.

1514
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 1: Is based in Washington, DC, and he travels the world

1515
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 1: as well. It's a successful business man's sharing his story

1516
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 1: and hopefully that story is going to impressed on some

1517
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 1: other young folks who are listening today, or people want

1518
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 1: to get into business and do it for themselves. Before

1519
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 1: we go back to the got A alf Rock, condolences

1520
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 1: of the family of Judy Cheeks. Judy was on this

1521
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: program in June. She's a backup singer. She was a

1522
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 1: Stevie's backup singer in Europe and session singer, and when

1523
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 1: they were in the recording at London and she was

1524
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 1: sharing with us with the life of a background, saying

1525
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 1: I don't know if Kevin remembers her. But Judy passed

1526
01:19:56,560 --> 01:20:00,679
Speaker 1: away right before Thanksgiving and a family said they hold

1527
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 1: it back to the news too. They didn't want to

1528
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:05,160
Speaker 1: spoil everybody's holiday, so they just announced it. But Judy

1529
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:08,560
Speaker 1: cheek so it's a great soul. So we our condolences

1530
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 1: once again to her family. Coming up later this morning,

1531
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna speak with the Professor Ray Wimbers from Morgan

1532
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 1: State University. And later this week you're going to hear

1533
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:18,759
Speaker 1: from the founder of the Black Laws for Justice, Attorney

1534
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 1: Malik Shabbaz so So doctor sab his son Abdul will

1535
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,599
Speaker 1: be here. Chairman Fred Hampton will check in and also

1536
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 1: the Master Teacher astro Quasi will join us as well.

1537
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 1: So if you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep

1538
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 1: you readily locked in tight on ten ten WLB or

1539
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:34,560
Speaker 1: if you're in the DMV around fourteen fifteen WOL or

1540
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 1: information is power. I mentioned before we left for the

1541
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:39,519
Speaker 1: news up there, brother Saint Clive at Monte It once

1542
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 1: to join The Conversation's online too. He says he's gone

1543
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 1: from the Pentagon City war Room, Grand Rising, Monte you're

1544
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:46,720
Speaker 1: my brother, Saint Clair Skinner.

1545
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 9: Graham Rise, Grand Rash. First I wanted to call because

1546
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 9: you touched me this morning. Well, you was talking about

1547
01:20:56,680 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 9: your failures and uh, because first I kept and I

1548
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 9: know what's going on, but what you said made a

1549
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 9: lot of sense. You know, you have to fail to succeed,

1550
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:10,599
Speaker 9: and if no one never done it before or haven't

1551
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:13,599
Speaker 9: done it that often, basically, there's no code you're gonna

1552
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 9: write any mistakes. And so when you was talking, something

1553
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 9: really touched me and I had to, you know, express

1554
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 9: myself because I've been I've been trying to get on

1555
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 9: the financial you know, to financial and help my people.

1556
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:30,560
Speaker 9: But I just kept feeling like every little effort that

1557
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 9: I was doing in the community to finally, you know,

1558
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 9: I don't tell people what I'm doing, and when I

1559
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 9: get off work, I don't really watch TV. I go

1560
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 9: right into my stuff.

1561
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:43,680
Speaker 10: I just lived the life that I want to have now.

1562
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 10: And hearing you reassure me that I'm on the right

1563
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 10: path and I'm doing the right thing. And I just

1564
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 10: want to say, I appreciate you for being on the radio.

1565
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 6: Right, brother, I appreciate you.

1566
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 9: Brother.

1567
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 6: Don't stop getting get it baby.

1568
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 1: That's what's up, all right, Thanks Monte, And there's probably

1569
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 1: a lot more have the courage to call it? Go ahead?

1570
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 1: Oh he hung up?

1571
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 4: All right.

1572
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:11,720
Speaker 1: The question for you, brother, Saint Claire, how much of

1573
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 1: what you have that this this drive that you have

1574
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:19,040
Speaker 1: comes from from you went to Howard and Tuskegee. But

1575
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 1: how much of it came from Tuskegee. How much of

1576
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 1: the influence of Booker t been in the area where

1577
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:26,519
Speaker 1: he was? How much of that do you think is

1578
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 1: part of what you made you a success today?

1579
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 5: I think it's a lot. But what I didn't appreciate

1580
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 5: this goes back to going off to college. Like my

1581
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:41,959
Speaker 5: dad was a hard worker. Like he he was Vietnam

1582
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 5: UH era that he was over there UH station in Korea.

1583
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 5: I was born in Montana, Great Falls, Montana for those

1584
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 5: who know the military, and no weaponry. That's what the

1585
01:22:55,280 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 5: miniman missiles entered, the ant continental ballistic missiles. So I came.

1586
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 5: My dad was early in computers. He self tight died

1587
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 5: was what do you call those courses corresponding courses.

1588
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:10,719
Speaker 3: Where he learned.

1589
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 5: He came in as a plumber and laying pipe those

1590
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 5: big round sewer drain pipes, and then he used the

1591
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 5: GI build and got his degree. And my mom was

1592
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 5: a housewife and she taught us kindness. She taught us,

1593
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 5: you know, we went to a vacation Bible study. And

1594
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 5: I just didn't appreciate what my parents did. My mom

1595
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:36,519
Speaker 5: didn't have a college education and my dad got it

1596
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 5: through the military, and they literally were My mom was

1597
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 5: that girl in high school that was pregnant in her

1598
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:47,640
Speaker 5: junior year with my older brother. So I appreciate my

1599
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:50,840
Speaker 5: I didn't appreciate them when I was younger. But when

1600
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 5: I went off to college and my dad was at

1601
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 5: old school, he said, once you got out of high school,

1602
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 5: you either go to the military or you go, you know,

1603
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 5: on your own. They hadn't saved up money for college.

1604
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 5: That just wasn't his peer group, you know. He went

1605
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 5: in as enlisted and he went to the Officer Training school,

1606
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 5: but he didn't They hadn't planned for college. And I

1607
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 5: just remember how I struggled at Tuskegee, and I used

1608
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 5: to like resent my parents a little bit and I

1609
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 5: remember coming home and complaining to my dad about what

1610
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 5: they didn't do, and it was the first time I

1611
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 5: ever saw my dad cry, and it made me realize,

1612
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 5: like my dad was. My dad was one of those

1613
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 5: one of those guys just said, you know, I'm proud

1614
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 5: of you. He never said I loved you. That was

1615
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 5: my mom who did all the kiss and my dad

1616
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 5: was no kissing the mamma. You know, he was that

1617
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 5: you know, that type, you know. Anyway, my point is,

1618
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 5: you know, and I never see my dad cry ever

1619
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:51,600
Speaker 5: in my life, you know ever. But it taught me

1620
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 5: he had dreams too that didn't come true. He did

1621
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 5: the best he could. My parents did the best they

1622
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 5: could inspite uh. And it was that moment that you know,

1623
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 5: I regret that that I had said what I said

1624
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:12,760
Speaker 5: to my father, and it made me know that we

1625
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,880
Speaker 5: stand on the shoulders and they do the best that

1626
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 5: they can do. It's our responsibility to continue and do

1627
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:23,680
Speaker 5: the best that we can do. And Tuskegee gave me

1628
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 5: the opportunity to start that journey. Now, my dad was like,

1629
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 5: if you stay home, I at least give you a

1630
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 5: place to stay. I didn't plan for college for you,

1631
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 5: but at least a player, and I didn't. I said no,

1632
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 5: And then I got an ROTC scholarship my dad. And

1633
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 5: this is the weird thing. My dad was in the

1634
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:42,679
Speaker 5: military and the person who was over the Air Force

1635
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 5: ROTC at Tuskegee was stationed at the same base and

1636
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 5: used to baby his wife is the babysit my brothers

1637
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 5: and sisters. So we had a relationship. But I wasn't

1638
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 5: into the war like and that hurt my father too,

1639
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 5: like he said, look, man, you meting off this reward

1640
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 5: thing for a while for you now to get you

1641
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:06,599
Speaker 5: off the college and talk about peace, and you got

1642
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 5: for this. It was kind of hurtful, but it was

1643
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:14,640
Speaker 5: some of those things that acted as like the foundation.

1644
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:18,479
Speaker 5: I had a very very very good foundation. And then

1645
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:20,760
Speaker 5: when I went to Tuskee, it was the first time

1646
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 5: I heard mister farra Con. A good friend of mine,

1647
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:28,600
Speaker 5: Robert Dawson, turned me on from La to miss a

1648
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 5: fair Con and I heard him talk about all the

1649
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:33,599
Speaker 5: things that he was talking about. This is like eighty

1650
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 5: seven and it was amazing. So I definitely credit my parents.

1651
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 5: I credit Tuskegee for giving me the best of the

1652
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 5: best of some of the most beautiful black people of

1653
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 5: the same generation as me coming together, as well as

1654
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 5: foul University, which gave me the opportunity to even get

1655
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:55,759
Speaker 5: a degree because I wouldn't have. So I've been blessed,

1656
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 5: like highly favored, you know. And I accepted Jesus Christ

1657
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 5: my Lord behavior and while I was in school at Tuskege,

1658
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 5: which helped me get the spiritual strength. Now you can

1659
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:08,560
Speaker 5: be most at this point, I'm kind of like, you know,

1660
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 5: whatever thing works for you. But to have that spiritual

1661
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:16,040
Speaker 5: sural connection that my mom wanted to see that I

1662
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 5: didn't appreciate. Then going off to college and seeing the

1663
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 5: manifestation of God and all the things that happened in

1664
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 5: my life, I could at least put some language to

1665
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 5: the spirit that came from the fact that I had

1666
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:33,599
Speaker 5: a foundation of some spiritual people in my mom, my dad,

1667
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:38,120
Speaker 5: my grandmama's and aunts and uncles. So that I've been blessed.

1668
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:41,800
Speaker 1: You know. I got to ask you this question though,

1669
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 1: because some people that probably don't understand. You know, you

1670
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:47,120
Speaker 1: talked about your parents the influence they had on you,

1671
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 1: and indirectly because you saw that what they were doing,

1672
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 1: but they weren't telling you something You know a lot

1673
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 1: of times even though your father was pushing you into

1674
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:58,680
Speaker 1: one direction, but you absorbed what they were doing, and

1675
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 1: once you became I am an adult, you adopted to

1676
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 1: some of the things that you saw as a child.

1677
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:05,880
Speaker 1: Can you explain how that works?

1678
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:09,840
Speaker 5: Well, this was I didn't get it at the time,

1679
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:14,480
Speaker 5: but my father was really innovative. We had an Applitude

1680
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:17,720
Speaker 5: E computer in our house in like nineteen eighty three

1681
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 5: or eighty four. My dad was always in the sci

1682
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 5: fi and he really wanted to go to outer space.

1683
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:26,560
Speaker 5: Like he literally even though he was born in the projects,

1684
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:31,720
Speaker 5: the Cochrane projects in Saint Louis, and was had a

1685
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 5: baby at you know, at a young age with his girlfriend. Like,

1686
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 5: he never stopped dreaming, and he never stopped pursuing a

1687
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 5: better life, even if it was hard, even if it

1688
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:46,800
Speaker 5: was racist. Like again, I don't think we think enough

1689
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 5: for that generation of they were born under legal slavery,

1690
01:28:51,479 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 5: under apartheid, and then when by the time they came

1691
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:58,400
Speaker 5: of age they were so called in a free experience

1692
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 5: that was really a lie wrapped in another lie with

1693
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:06,559
Speaker 5: something else wrapped around that. And the still, in spite

1694
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:11,479
Speaker 5: of all that, to keep dreaming and having family for children,

1695
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 5: like you know, that's that spirit of our people. You

1696
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:17,640
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, that spirit of my answers. I

1697
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 5: started talking about how I thought Silicon Valley was amazing,

1698
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 5: but I really think you start looking at the revolutions

1699
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 5: in Africa and the resistance movements in America.

1700
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 6: From Nat Turner.

1701
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 5: You know, our people have had big dreams and no

1702
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 5: matter what happened to them, they were fascinated. They were murdered,

1703
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 5: they were lynched, it never stamped them like we're unstoppable.

1704
01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 5: Like anytime I hear people talking down they decimated the

1705
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 5: Native Americans, they decimated the Aborigines. These people did not

1706
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:50,479
Speaker 5: deserve to be destroyed like that.

1707
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:52,200
Speaker 6: But we are still here.

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01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:55,479
Speaker 5: Not only we still here, we still are some of

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01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 5: the best of the best of the best that this

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01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 5: world has to offer. We got you called like the

1711
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:05,600
Speaker 5: fact that we've got you every morning. Bro on everything

1712
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 5: is worth the price of the entry, full stop. So

1713
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:12,880
Speaker 5: when you talk about it like your legacy, this like

1714
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:15,360
Speaker 5: we stand like this is inspirational.

1715
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 1: Just being on your show on everything, man, I know

1716
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:21,880
Speaker 1: you're the inspisson. You inspired a lot of folks, like

1717
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:24,760
Speaker 1: the brother who called Monte working the Pentagon and they

1718
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:26,640
Speaker 1: call and he was inspired by what you told him.

1719
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:29,639
Speaker 1: That's what I wanted you to tell that story, brother,

1720
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:31,599
Speaker 1: seeing clear, because a lot of times folks are coming

1721
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:33,720
Speaker 1: up and they've got ideas, and they've got people in

1722
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:35,920
Speaker 1: their ear who was telling, oh man, that's not gonna wear. Hey,

1723
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:37,720
Speaker 1: you waste your time. Hey, they're gonna fail. You know,

1724
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:40,519
Speaker 1: you're not gonna give you all kinds of reasons why

1725
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:43,320
Speaker 1: the thing that you have the passion for, the thing

1726
01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:45,840
Speaker 1: that God puts you on this planet for, and you

1727
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 1: want to do it, and they start putting those doubts

1728
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 1: into your mind, and that's the one that share. How

1729
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:53,439
Speaker 1: do you react to all of that? And you did,

1730
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:56,759
Speaker 1: and and you touch more people than Monte or Monte

1731
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:59,840
Speaker 1: was was moved enough to call in others. I'm telling

1732
01:30:59,880 --> 01:31:02,559
Speaker 1: you guaranteed touch them too, and so then I'm going

1733
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:04,280
Speaker 1: to give up on their dreams. So I just want

1734
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 1: to thank you for that.

1735
01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 5: Oh no, thank you for the for like your consistency,

1736
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:12,840
Speaker 5: like that's the heart, like you you know now looking back,

1737
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:16,599
Speaker 5: you got it, Like your consistency is bananas. And that's

1738
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:19,360
Speaker 5: the thing I try. I strive to live up to

1739
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 5: that model that you've shown like literally day in and

1740
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 5: day out, like that's not a game, Like to keep

1741
01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 5: putting up those points every day. That's a real thing

1742
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 5: and a commitment to us.

1743
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:34,960
Speaker 6: And you could do all kinds of things with your talents.

1744
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:37,880
Speaker 5: You could have done anything, but you decided to share

1745
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:41,680
Speaker 5: it with us every morning. I can't imagine. Like when

1746
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:44,720
Speaker 5: I'm in Tuskegee University and I give money back or

1747
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:48,280
Speaker 5: you know, we donated some golf carts and you know

1748
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:50,240
Speaker 5: that the people thank me. I said, look, I thank

1749
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:52,639
Speaker 5: you for giving a life in the middle of making county.

1750
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:55,240
Speaker 5: I love Tuskegee, but I would never spend a whole

1751
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:58,640
Speaker 5: life in the middle of making County, Alabama. Like that's right.

1752
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:01,800
Speaker 1: You're explain why when you come back. And also doctor

1753
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:03,720
Speaker 1: Wimbush is going to check in. It's two minutes away

1754
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:05,280
Speaker 1: from the top. They have family. Got to step asut

1755
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:07,519
Speaker 1: and get caughtup with the ladies, trafficing weather, not different cities.

1756
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:09,679
Speaker 1: We'll be back with brother Saint Clair Skinner and doctor

1757
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:11,920
Speaker 1: Ray Wimbush. If you're going to speak to brother Saint

1758
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 1: Clair or brother or Dr Winbush, reach out to us

1759
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:17,559
Speaker 1: at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six.

1760
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 1: We'll take your phone calls after the traffic and weather

1761
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 1: that's next. And Grand Rising family, thanks for starting the

1762
01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:24,799
Speaker 1: week with us this Monday morning. Also the month of December.

1763
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:27,200
Speaker 1: First of December. I guess his brother Saint Clair Skinner,

1764
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:29,080
Speaker 1: Mama teyor we're going to talk to Dr Ray Wimbers

1765
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:32,280
Speaker 1: from Morgan State University. But brother Saint Clair, before I

1766
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:34,559
Speaker 1: let you go, you're going to You're going to make

1767
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:37,240
Speaker 1: several stops in Africa. This is it this week?

1768
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 5: You going, Oh yeah, yea, I'm leaving today.

1769
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:45,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay wow. We'll share with us of your itinery.

1770
01:32:47,479 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 5: So the conference is the African Bitcoin Conference, which is

1771
01:32:52,320 --> 01:33:02,440
Speaker 5: in Mauritius. And then I'll probably do a layover and Maputu, Mozambique.

1772
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:06,840
Speaker 5: How some folks haven't seen in a minute there and

1773
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:13,680
Speaker 5: then South Africa and then to Zimbabwe and then on

1774
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:16,200
Speaker 5: the way back and this I like to do my trips.

1775
01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:21,320
Speaker 5: I'll do like long layovers and places. So one of

1776
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:24,599
Speaker 5: the projects that we're finishing up is this Global Green Book,

1777
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:28,599
Speaker 5: and we've got a teammate in Kigali, so I'll probably

1778
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:31,960
Speaker 5: do a long layover in Kigali and then head back

1779
01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 5: to the States. So and you know, once you travel

1780
01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:38,599
Speaker 5: that far around the world, you try to do yourself

1781
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:43,160
Speaker 5: at least like ten to fifteen days to actually get

1782
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:44,320
Speaker 5: on the ground and do things.

1783
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 8: You know.

1784
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:47,639
Speaker 5: I think the older I get, my jet lag gets

1785
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:52,479
Speaker 5: a little stronger unfortunately than weaker. So in those days,

1786
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:54,560
Speaker 5: having some time to kind of like catch up with

1787
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:57,040
Speaker 5: the clock is a part of that.

1788
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:01,920
Speaker 1: I mean journeys, do you follow what's going on back

1789
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 1: in the States or you just just totally lock out

1790
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:06,960
Speaker 1: and just just focus into what's going on in the

1791
01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:08,280
Speaker 1: different African countries.

1792
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:09,719
Speaker 6: I think it's both.

1793
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 5: You know, Twitter is where you know, I know some

1794
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:14,120
Speaker 5: people don't do Twitter.

1795
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:14,800
Speaker 6: I do Twitter.

1796
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:18,320
Speaker 5: It has a lot more to me information than any

1797
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:22,240
Speaker 5: other place. So I'm very you know, in tune with

1798
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:27,639
Speaker 5: what's happening in the world based on social media through Twitter,

1799
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:30,400
Speaker 5: I think. And then you know, those are some of

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01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:33,400
Speaker 5: the things now that we have the app up and going,

1801
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 5: we have our own chat groups, so I'll be spending

1802
01:34:36,160 --> 01:34:40,920
Speaker 5: more time on that. But I think, you know, having

1803
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:43,960
Speaker 5: a global outlook anyway, Like I while I'm here, I'm

1804
01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:47,720
Speaker 5: looking at what's going on in Africa, China, Europe, like

1805
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 5: you know, perspective wise. You know, I think that's it.

1806
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:54,320
Speaker 5: You know, what's going on in Venezuela and I've been.

1807
01:34:54,479 --> 01:34:57,519
Speaker 5: I was there doing Hugo Chavas being alive and saw

1808
01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:00,800
Speaker 5: how wonderful those people were. So all these little things

1809
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:04,160
Speaker 5: helped me kind of keep my mind aware of those things.

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01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:07,400
Speaker 5: So yeah, I say plugged in God. I mean I

1811
01:35:07,439 --> 01:35:10,040
Speaker 5: say plugged in regardless God bless.

1812
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:13,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, when we come, when you come back, once you

1813
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:15,160
Speaker 1: file a report and see what our brothers and sisters

1814
01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:17,640
Speaker 1: in the different countries are saying about what's going on

1815
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:20,519
Speaker 1: in the state side, especially with Donald Trump threatening to

1816
01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:25,800
Speaker 1: invade Nigeria. And I know you've been there Nigeria and

1817
01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:30,120
Speaker 1: what do they think. Do they consider the threat just

1818
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:34,360
Speaker 1: for Nigeria? Is it just the African States themselves? So

1819
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 1: give I've given you some homework to do in addition

1820
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:44,600
Speaker 1: to expanding Hum hum yes sir, yeah, yeah, have a

1821
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:46,519
Speaker 1: safe light. We'll see you when you get back.

1822
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:47,519
Speaker 3: All right.

1823
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:49,599
Speaker 5: Thank you, Carl, Thank you for always been so beautiful.

1824
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:53,200
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, bro.

1825
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:56,720
Speaker 1: No, thank you for sharing your thoughts with us this

1826
01:35:56,840 --> 01:36:00,920
Speaker 1: morning always, and thank you for creating that like the

1827
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:03,760
Speaker 1: project Doctor wimersh is here, so why don't you just

1828
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:06,800
Speaker 1: quickly just share with him what it is. I love that.

1829
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:08,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1830
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:11,680
Speaker 5: So we were literally building a global safety net with

1831
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:16,200
Speaker 5: our members who give us recommendations of black family spaces

1832
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:18,679
Speaker 5: and that they don't necessarily have to be black owned,

1833
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 5: just like the original Green Book, and we just expanded

1834
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:25,519
Speaker 5: it to to include eight categories places to eat, places

1835
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:28,400
Speaker 5: the sleep, place of transportation like the original Green Book,

1836
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:37,240
Speaker 5: but we expanded it to healthcare, legal finance, education, childcare,

1837
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:41,840
Speaker 5: and beauty. And our focus aren't places in these situations

1838
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:45,599
Speaker 5: where we're very vulnerable. So people used to talk about travel,

1839
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:48,320
Speaker 5: and travel is one vulnerability because you don't know anybody,

1840
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:50,760
Speaker 5: but if you're sick, you're vulnerable. And these are the

1841
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:53,960
Speaker 5: wrong time that meet a racist. And so we try

1842
01:36:54,040 --> 01:36:58,200
Speaker 5: to focus just on the areas critical in people activity

1843
01:36:58,479 --> 01:37:00,240
Speaker 5: that if you get a racist, you you get a

1844
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:04,759
Speaker 5: racist carfrinter or cable guy, that's not going to be critical.

1845
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:07,520
Speaker 5: But you get a racist lawyer and you're in Thailand,

1846
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:10,320
Speaker 5: that could be an issue, or even where you are now,

1847
01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:13,280
Speaker 5: like we've experienced on COVID, you get a bad doctor,

1848
01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:15,920
Speaker 5: he says you got pneumonia when you've literally got COVID.

1849
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:17,519
Speaker 5: The consequences could.

1850
01:37:17,320 --> 01:37:17,960
Speaker 7: Be very grave.

1851
01:37:18,160 --> 01:37:23,000
Speaker 5: So we're literally crowdsourcing this information from our members who

1852
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:25,519
Speaker 5: sign up on our app as free and it's global.

1853
01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:28,120
Speaker 5: We have probably about one hundred and fifty thousand people

1854
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:31,679
Speaker 5: since we started that our under the network, but active

1855
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:34,200
Speaker 5: I would say more like about eight thousand people have

1856
01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:39,040
Speaker 5: contributed actively to the app, and we have about thirty

1857
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 5: thousand locations, and a key part of that is validating

1858
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:46,320
Speaker 5: these locations because ours is a brick and mortar it's

1859
01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:50,040
Speaker 5: not digital, because we want safe spaces, so we always

1860
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:52,320
Speaker 5: need people to go back and validate and make sure

1861
01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:54,880
Speaker 5: these places are still there and treating people the way

1862
01:37:54,920 --> 01:37:57,360
Speaker 5: they should. So yeah, that's it.

1863
01:37:57,880 --> 01:38:02,160
Speaker 1: Humbly all right, doctor Wimbles, grand Rising, welcome to the program.

1864
01:38:04,840 --> 01:38:05,479
Speaker 3: Great work.

1865
01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:10,240
Speaker 1: I'll just ask you what brother Sinclaus just said.

1866
01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:13,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, it is.

1867
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:16,760
Speaker 11: It's good to hear your boys, brother Scla, carry on, man,

1868
01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:20,439
Speaker 11: that's good. Pan African work too, beautiful.

1869
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:25,880
Speaker 5: Good, thank you, brother, good and African work with a smile, sir,

1870
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:29,840
Speaker 5: propefully with utmost ability, yes, sir, but y'all have a

1871
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:33,680
Speaker 5: great day. Appreciate everything and appreciate your work bout Wimbush too.

1872
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:35,879
Speaker 5: So y'all take care of a great December.

1873
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:40,320
Speaker 1: We'll see you when you have a safe flight and

1874
01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:43,960
Speaker 1: we'll see you when you get back. All right, family,

1875
01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:46,639
Speaker 1: that's brother Sincliss as I mentioned now, Doctor Ray Wimbush

1876
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:49,120
Speaker 1: is real us from Morgan State University. To pick up

1877
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:51,120
Speaker 1: where we left off with brother Sinclair, he's going to

1878
01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:53,760
Speaker 1: the continent that he's going to Africa several states. Uh,

1879
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:59,559
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, Doctor, whenbus's threatening to invade Nigeria, how how

1880
01:38:59,640 --> 01:39:01,880
Speaker 1: do you think people are seeing he's using He's using

1881
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:06,400
Speaker 1: the cloak of religion of Christianity that he's going there

1882
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:10,240
Speaker 1: to save that the Christians and the Nigerian Christians who

1883
01:39:10,240 --> 01:39:13,519
Speaker 1: are under attack. Your thoughts, well, you.

1884
01:39:13,560 --> 01:39:17,479
Speaker 11: Know, you always have to start with the premise that

1885
01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:20,960
Speaker 11: Trump lies about everything, you are, most.

1886
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:25,599
Speaker 3: Of what he says publicly. He's designated Nigeria's.

1887
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:28,760
Speaker 11: What he called a country a particular concern and that's

1888
01:39:28,840 --> 01:39:34,240
Speaker 11: actually an official, uh you know, designation by the State

1889
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:38,160
Speaker 11: Department of CPC. The fact of the matter is you

1890
01:39:38,280 --> 01:39:42,640
Speaker 11: got to look at Venezuela, Saudi and Nigeria. What they

1891
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:46,840
Speaker 11: have in common is oil. And you know, I've once

1892
01:39:46,920 --> 01:39:51,840
Speaker 11: heard someone say that, you know, oil is to Europeans

1893
01:39:52,240 --> 01:39:57,639
Speaker 11: what heroin is to an addic, and so he'll use

1894
01:39:57,800 --> 01:40:01,960
Speaker 11: an excuse such a as the you know, the persecution

1895
01:40:02,120 --> 01:40:03,160
Speaker 11: of Christians.

1896
01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:04,160
Speaker 3: In Nigeria.

1897
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:09,559
Speaker 11: To get to his real goal, which is to take

1898
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:16,479
Speaker 11: care or take the oil from not only Nigeria, but

1899
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:20,360
Speaker 11: Venezuela as well. So, you know, I just don't believe

1900
01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:23,880
Speaker 11: Trump about anything. And I know that sounds like an

1901
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 11: extreme way to view a president, but what can you

1902
01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:31,920
Speaker 11: believe from this guy that is honest?

1903
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:33,200
Speaker 3: And even if there was.

1904
01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:39,320
Speaker 11: Persecution of Christians, that's a national problem that Nigeria has.

1905
01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:39,880
Speaker 3: To deal with.

1906
01:40:40,479 --> 01:40:43,280
Speaker 11: You don't just go around, you know, even though the

1907
01:40:43,400 --> 01:40:49,320
Speaker 11: United States is imperialistic, but solving people's countries problems as

1908
01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:52,120
Speaker 11: you see them, you just don't do it. He's doing

1909
01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:54,160
Speaker 11: it in a gaza right now.

1910
01:40:56,280 --> 01:41:00,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the lady's said, of course, is Venezuela your

1911
01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:02,439
Speaker 1: thoughts on you know, the the other talking about Pete,

1912
01:41:02,600 --> 01:41:06,719
Speaker 1: he'saff you know, those shooting outs alleged the drug boats,

1913
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:09,439
Speaker 1: and we heard that some of those were just actually

1914
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:13,559
Speaker 1: just fishermen were out there, that there were collateral damage.

1915
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:15,519
Speaker 1: They'll probably call it when when all he said and done.

1916
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:16,760
Speaker 1: I wanted to get your thoughts on that.

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01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:21,840
Speaker 11: Well, you know, it's interesting that you know, there were

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01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:26,240
Speaker 11: some survivors in these early strikes on those Venezuelan boats.

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Speaker 6: And two of them were in the water.

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Speaker 11: After the rockets hit the boat, and the commander of

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Speaker 11: the operation called back to Hex's deep and asked him,

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Speaker 11: you know, what should we do with them?

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Speaker 3: He didn't kill him.

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Speaker 11: Now he's denying it. In fact, posted a cartoon on

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Speaker 11: his twitter feed or whatever last night, almost like a

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Speaker 11: cartoon about.

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Speaker 5: This was a lie and so forth.

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Speaker 11: Again, you can't believe very much about what this, you know,

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Speaker 11: administration said. It's interesting that Trump said about those strikes

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Speaker 11: that the interdiction, which is usually the case. You you

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Speaker 11: don't want to just kill someone, you know, you want

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Speaker 11: to capture them, you know, tune them up a little

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Speaker 11: bit or whatever, and then try to get more information

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Speaker 11: about where they got the drugs from. I frankly don't think.

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Speaker 6: They are.

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Speaker 3: Drug votes. I have never thought that.

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Speaker 11: And the proof of that, or something that allows proof

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Speaker 11: of it, is how on the early strikes there were

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Speaker 11: two survivors, not the same one that hexstets, these people

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Speaker 11: that Hexxtets killed, but there were two survivors and they

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Speaker 11: returned them to their country. Well, if they were narco traffickers,

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Speaker 11: while would you return them to their home country? And

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Speaker 11: then furthermore, he's letting the president of Honduras granting him

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Speaker 11: a part who was a known convicted in a federal corps,

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Speaker 11: a known drug trafficker who said that he wanted to dump.

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Speaker 3: Four hundred million tons of or four hundred tons of

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Speaker 3: cocaine into America.

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Speaker 11: Just drug America out.

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Speaker 5: He let them go.

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Speaker 11: So if you're concerned about narco traffickers, why are you

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Speaker 11: letting the president of Honduras, which is who is convicted

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Speaker 11: of trafficking and drugs go or giving them apart?

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Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense, right fourteen other time of

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Speaker 1: doctor Ray Wimbers from Morgan State University, not to wimbush

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Speaker 1: the other part. You know about the alleged drug boats.

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Speaker 1: Do you think if you're running drugs, you know the

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Speaker 1: CIA is bombing and you're going to keep on running

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Speaker 1: and keep on running them?

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Speaker 11: Exactly?

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Speaker 1: Are they incompetent stupid? If they're smart enough to run

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Speaker 1: drugs like that, don't you figure out we're not gonna

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Speaker 1: go there? They're bombing boats? So exactly just it just

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Speaker 1: why would they keep going back and knowing that this

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Speaker 1: is you know, this is going on, so that again,

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Speaker 1: go ahead.

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Speaker 11: Now you're gonna make sense of it, and there is

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Speaker 11: no sense in it. I mean, let's say I was

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Speaker 11: a narco trafficker, I hadn't seen what twenty boats blowns

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Speaker 11: and smither maings near the waters of Venezuela. Would I

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Speaker 11: go out like that?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 3: I would not.

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Speaker 11: I think those are fishermen. I think that the fact

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Speaker 11: that he has not provided any evidence that they are

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Speaker 11: narco traffickers, but he's released videos of these bombings. It

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Speaker 11: appeals to that maggot, you know, sensibility of machoism and

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Speaker 11: all of that. But there's no proof to that.

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Speaker 3: And it's interesting that both sides of.

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Speaker 11: The eye, as people say, are wanting in proof of

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Speaker 11: these killings that are occurring. And I think when all

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Speaker 11: is said and done, you're going to find out that

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Speaker 11: these people were probably innocent fishermen going out to haul

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Speaker 11: fish to their families into sale.

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Speaker 3: That's It's just that.

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Speaker 1: Simple fifteen at the top. They are interesting that all

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Speaker 1: of this is causing fights on the MAGA team. There's

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Speaker 1: almost almost imploding some of them are disenchanted with what

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Speaker 1: they see coming from the current administration, and some of

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Speaker 1: them are bailing. Some of you know, they just can't

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Speaker 1: go along with it. So there's a lot of infighting

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Speaker 1: and we'll come up a break when we come back.

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Speaker 1: Mark and Houston wants to talk to you. But I

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Speaker 1: want to ask you if you think this infighting will

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Speaker 1: have some sort of effect on the upcoming elections. This

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Speaker 1: will are we seeing we have the cusp of the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the end of the Maget group. I want

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Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on that, most of the Black magas.

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Speaker 1: We can't leave those folks out as well. Family, you

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Speaker 1: two can join our conversation with Dr Ray Wimbush from

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Speaker 1: Morgan State University. Just reach out to us at eight

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Speaker 1: hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll

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Speaker 1: take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family, Thanks

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Speaker 1: are starting your week with us and our guests Dr

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Speaker 1: Ray Wimbush from Morgan State University of discussing politics right

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Speaker 1: now with doctor Wimbers. As usually we touch on a

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Speaker 1: lot of other stuff with doctor Wimbush, but let's get

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Speaker 1: started with Mark and calling from Houston. He wants to

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Speaker 1: join the conversation. He is on Line one, Grand Rising

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Speaker 1: Market on with Dr.

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Speaker 3: Wimbush Grand Rising.

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Speaker 12: My brother's, how y'all doing this morning? You're doing all

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Speaker 12: right this morning?

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Speaker 3: Doing fine?

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: I just want to say this man, but it with

2016
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Speaker 12: Donald Trump. I'll claim this whole issue on the Republican Party.

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Speaker 12: And the reason why I say that is because I

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Speaker 12: just look at it. They had a chance to teach

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Speaker 12: Donald Trump when his first administrations were the two things

2020
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Speaker 12: that he did wrong with the Republican Party.

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Speaker 5: They didn't want to do that.

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Speaker 12: The numbers was good.

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Speaker 5: Then he turned around and.

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Speaker 12: He ran for president again. He told him that he's

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Speaker 12: gonna partner all the people from January sixth, he told

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Speaker 12: the Republican Party. They went right along with and made him.

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Speaker 12: He wasn't even a convicted talent yet. But remember this,

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Speaker 12: he wasn't even a nominee for the Republican If he

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Speaker 12: was a nominee for the Republican Party, then he became

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Speaker 12: convicted and they still got behind this man. I don't

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Speaker 12: understand it. It's the Republican Party right now, this man

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Speaker 12: can be and teach or what we just talked about

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Speaker 12: of these blowing up, these ships both sides say, man,

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Speaker 12: something wrong with this?

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Speaker 13: Man?

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Speaker 12: Well, why want the Republican Party? We got enough in

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Speaker 12: a Democrat. We know that, But goodness, gracious, don't you

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Speaker 12: think that this is a party. It's not. I understand

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Speaker 12: Donald Trump, but he's a convicted talent. You and I

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Speaker 12: quack o'bahall. If he was convicted of a felon, you know,

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Speaker 12: he wouldn't have made it president. We all agree that,

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Speaker 12: especially thirty four accounts. And remember they elected him after

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Speaker 12: listen to the people they elected him, after the thirty

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Speaker 12: four people that acted him that like them in his

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Speaker 12: Republican party would write along with this vest Do you

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01:48:13,240 --> 01:48:14,320
Speaker 12: think this is corrupted?

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Speaker 14: His best?

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Speaker 5: That's all I mean.

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Speaker 12: Do you think it's good?

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Speaker 15: Up?

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get a chance. Let me just add

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Speaker 1: this the documents. You know that he's trying to erase,

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Speaker 1: that those convictions get them officially erased for because he's

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Speaker 1: the only convicted elected president. That's something he doesn't like

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Speaker 1: to talk about. But I let you respond to Mark's question.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Mark.

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Speaker 11: Well, you know, Mark brings up a lot of good points.

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Speaker 11: I mean, the fact of the matter is is that

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Speaker 11: there's a I don't even consider the Republican Party. When

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Speaker 11: we think of a Republican Party, we think of like

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Speaker 11: John McCain or Robert Dole, you know, back in the.

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Speaker 3: Day, George Bush, both of the Bushes.

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Speaker 11: This is a cult right now and the reason why

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Speaker 11: most of the people, the Republicans if you want to

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Speaker 11: call him, that have kind of coltal to the guy.

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Speaker 11: They're afraid of being primary. They're afraid of, you know,

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Speaker 11: going against him. I mean, we can talk later about

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Speaker 11: Marjorie Taylor Green while she's you know, opting out right

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Speaker 11: now because the death threats on her when the president

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Speaker 11: turns on them. So, you know, I think it was

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Speaker 11: John F. Kennedy that said that the difference between a

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Speaker 11: politician and a states He said statesman is that a

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Speaker 11: politician cares about being reelected, which we have now on

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Speaker 11: both sides of the out you know, but primarily in

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Speaker 11: the Republican Party, people are afraid. They are they're focused

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Speaker 11: on getting re elected at the senatorial level as well

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Speaker 11: as the House. A statesman is somebody who, regardless of

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Speaker 11: what the consequences are, you know, stands up for the country.

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Speaker 11: They put country first. They don't care about being reelected.

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Speaker 11: That's why Kennedy wrote that book profilesand Courage some sixty

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Speaker 11: seventy years ago, because he didn't care about you know,

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Speaker 11: he wanted to do the right thing if you plead

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Speaker 11: at the political level. So you met about a bunch

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Speaker 11: of politicians in the Republican Party who are more focused

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Speaker 11: on being re elected, re elected, getting paid and you know,

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Speaker 11: retiring with a good pension and write a book and

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Speaker 11: then joined Fox News.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty foive the top that I got a tweet.

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Speaker 1: Let me read this tweet. The tweeter says, if doctor

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Speaker 1: Glemboshafis were cartel boats, they would have took another route

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Speaker 1: after the first bombing. And the twet Rubio knows firsthand

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Speaker 1: about the drug business. And I think what this person

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Speaker 1: is implying that, you know, Marco Rubio's brother, I think

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Speaker 1: his brother in law was a major, major coke dealer

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Speaker 1: in Miami back in the day, back in the eighties exactly.

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Speaker 1: And Marco Ruvier actually lived at the house where where

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Speaker 1: this coke was stored. And after he helped they convicted

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Speaker 1: drug dealer, his brother in law get a real estate

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Speaker 1: license when when he was in the uh and it

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Speaker 1: was elected in the state electionay for Florida. So I

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Speaker 1: think this is what this person is implying. So you know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's no surprise what's going on here, but your thoughts.

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Speaker 11: You know, absolutely, I mean we got as a kleptocracy,

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Speaker 11: and it's interesting that no one ever or rarely goes

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Speaker 11: into the backgrounds of people like Marco Ruby or everything

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Speaker 11: you said is absolutely true. Uh, he could have been

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Speaker 11: in that movie with uh with his name.

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Speaker 3: Al Pacino, Uh, Scarface.

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Speaker 6: It was really like that.

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Speaker 11: I mean, you know, he was involved and there's some

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Speaker 11: people who say now that he was involved with drug trafficking.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 11: You go into the backgrounds of all of these characters

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Speaker 11: who are up in this kleptocracy right now, you know,

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Speaker 11: healing money, making money, and letting you know, again the

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Speaker 11: latest narco traffickers, giving them partners, and he's probably gonna

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Speaker 11: wind up partnering himself. I mean, it's a corrupt government,

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Speaker 11: and not that governments aren't always corrupt to a degree,

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Speaker 11: but this is probably the most corrupt government we've seen

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Speaker 11: since Nixon and going way back to the teapot Dome

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Speaker 11: scandal back in the nineteen twenties. It's a corrupt, criminal,

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Speaker 11: logic government that we are serving right now and who

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Speaker 11: is going to.

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Speaker 3: Get more corrupt as we approach these elections.

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Speaker 1: But the question that Dr Wambership is group the back

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Speaker 1: of group you said they were, And let's probably answer

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Speaker 1: to the question that I'm seeking, why haven't they spoken out?

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Speaker 1: What don't you know? They call themselves Christians, some of

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Speaker 1: them that flank, and they see all these illegal activities

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Speaker 1: that's going on and he's co signing them and event

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Speaker 1: it doesn't upset them. That's my question.

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Speaker 11: Well, you know, you know, like, okay, let's take one

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Speaker 11: of those the Christian nationalist movement. You know, they know

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Speaker 11: that Trump is an adulterer, they know that most likely

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Speaker 11: you know his reluctance to release the Epstein file, that

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Speaker 11: he's a pedophile. They know he is has been convicted yet,

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01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:30,680
Speaker 11: and still they still follow them. That most of these

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Speaker 11: white Christian nationalists, I mean they're white, they're nationalists, but

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Speaker 11: they're not Christian. They're not doing with the leader of

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01:53:39,240 --> 01:53:45,519
Speaker 11: that religion advocated two thousand years ago. It shows that,

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01:53:46,040 --> 01:53:51,880
Speaker 11: you know, race and racism, Trump's any kind of religion.

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Speaker 11: It also shows that there's a tolerance for racism that

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01:53:58,720 --> 01:54:00,719
Speaker 11: Christian nationalists port.

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Speaker 3: And that Trump knows that and he acts upon it.

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01:54:06,080 --> 01:54:08,200
Speaker 3: The only people that Trump.

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01:54:08,080 --> 01:54:11,280
Speaker 11: Cares about in terms of their votes are that thirty

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01:54:11,640 --> 01:54:18,040
Speaker 11: three thirty four percent who consistently support those hardcore you

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01:54:18,120 --> 01:54:22,760
Speaker 11: know what I call maggots who support them supports him

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01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:26,160
Speaker 11: no matter what. So you know, I kind of just

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01:54:26,280 --> 01:54:30,439
Speaker 11: say that there's you know, ignoring all of this. You know,

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01:54:30,800 --> 01:54:34,080
Speaker 11: I've heard you know, Christian asmaland say, well, he's like

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01:54:34,280 --> 01:54:36,880
Speaker 11: Cyrus in the Bible. You know, he was corrupt, but

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01:54:36,960 --> 01:54:42,720
Speaker 11: he saved Israel, you know, confused theology, but it's embedded

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01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:46,560
Speaker 11: in racism that is running a lot of what is

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01:54:46,680 --> 01:54:48,440
Speaker 11: going on in this country right now.

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Speaker 1: And it also got to add this to doctriol. She's

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01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:55,560
Speaker 1: ratings are going down. So obviously there's some people there

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01:54:56,040 --> 01:54:58,240
Speaker 1: on that side of an island. They've they've been thinking

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01:54:58,320 --> 01:55:00,880
Speaker 1: twice and now you know they saw and Shamarga Greens.

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Speaker 1: She spoke up first, and so so people, wait a minute,

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01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:07,160
Speaker 1: this must be something that we said America first and

2162
01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:10,360
Speaker 1: he was gonna stop all wars and that's not happening.

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01:55:10,520 --> 01:55:12,800
Speaker 1: And they were afraid. People were afraid to speak up,

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01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:15,520
Speaker 1: even people on the radio, because he on TV, the media,

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Speaker 1: he threatened the media and they wrote billion dollar text

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01:55:18,840 --> 01:55:20,800
Speaker 1: just to keep them off their backs. But they were

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01:55:20,920 --> 01:55:23,440
Speaker 1: all afraid. But now that seems to be turned around.

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Speaker 1: Do you see a turning in this? Do you think

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01:55:25,240 --> 01:55:27,480
Speaker 1: this is what we're seeing in my original question for

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01:55:27,600 --> 01:55:29,360
Speaker 1: the break? Do you think this is where we're going

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01:55:29,400 --> 01:55:31,440
Speaker 1: to see the end of the Maga movement? You think

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01:55:31,480 --> 01:55:35,440
Speaker 1: this is? This is will well? I guess uh materialize

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01:55:35,800 --> 01:55:37,720
Speaker 1: in next next, next year's elections.

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Speaker 3: No, I do, I really do.

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Speaker 11: And you know Fox News had a like my mother

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01:55:43,800 --> 01:55:48,480
Speaker 11: used to say, a conniption fit when Mamdani visited him

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Speaker 11: in the overall is and he embraced them, actually started

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Speaker 11: dressing like him and got rid of his orange makeup.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Fox News went ballistic about stuff. They don't

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01:56:00,760 --> 01:56:03,560
Speaker 3: know what to do. And that's just another division within

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01:56:03,720 --> 01:56:04,560
Speaker 3: the Maga mood.

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Speaker 1: All right, So too thirty minutes to have the top

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Speaker 1: of the Tyrone is checking in from Baltimore's online One

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Speaker 1: Grand Rising Tyron. He're on with doctor Ray Wimbush.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Rayan Risen call I just got back from Ghana

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01:56:19,680 --> 01:56:22,680
Speaker 6: and uh before I and I asked, I wanted to

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01:56:22,760 --> 01:56:26,120
Speaker 6: get the doctor's opinion about that Windbush is.

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01:56:26,120 --> 01:56:26,640
Speaker 7: Pain about it.

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01:56:26,720 --> 01:56:29,080
Speaker 6: But before I go do it and that, I just

2190
01:56:29,160 --> 01:56:32,320
Speaker 6: want to speak in my capacity to retirements their officer.

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01:56:33,240 --> 01:56:35,440
Speaker 6: Once you take people out of the battle, it is

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01:56:35,480 --> 01:56:39,520
Speaker 6: a war crime to uh kill them. So what hay

2193
01:56:39,640 --> 01:56:41,800
Speaker 6: six was asking those people to do is a war crime.

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01:56:42,480 --> 01:56:44,520
Speaker 6: Now at the ibry level, they may not known that

2195
01:56:44,600 --> 01:56:46,400
Speaker 6: because a lot of times when you're out there executing

2196
01:56:46,600 --> 01:56:50,640
Speaker 6: you you already believe in your heart that this stuff

2197
01:56:50,640 --> 01:56:52,280
Speaker 6: has already been that it and these people are true

2198
01:56:52,440 --> 01:56:55,200
Speaker 6: a true threat. So but Hayset had the knowledge that

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Speaker 6: they weren't. So and a lot of stuff these the

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01:56:57,880 --> 01:57:00,760
Speaker 6: officialment they need to be tried at the Hague in

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01:57:00,840 --> 01:57:04,720
Speaker 6: Geneva for what they're doing in uh South America. So

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01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:07,080
Speaker 6: that and you don't have to be able to all

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01:57:07,200 --> 01:57:09,000
Speaker 6: for order. By way, he did not have to obey one.

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01:57:09,120 --> 01:57:11,760
Speaker 6: So I'm sure if those guys knew that they were about.

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01:57:11,800 --> 01:57:14,080
Speaker 6: And as a matter of fact, Admiral Hosey, I don't

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01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:15,680
Speaker 6: know if you're familiar with him, he was in charge

2207
01:57:15,680 --> 01:57:21,040
Speaker 6: of the Caribbean Fleet, its sharp brother, highly decorated. He quit,

2208
01:57:21,920 --> 01:57:24,120
Speaker 6: he resigns, I'm not doing this, and then he but

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Speaker 6: his Hayseick almost daily about this stuff, and Hayset was

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01:57:27,560 --> 01:57:30,320
Speaker 6: trying to find ways around by using special forces and

2211
01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:33,360
Speaker 6: by you know, other other methods to get around. And

2212
01:57:33,480 --> 01:57:36,840
Speaker 6: when they said they was send the CIA into uh Venezuela,

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01:57:37,200 --> 01:57:40,000
Speaker 6: he probably quit. He said, not, I ain't trying to

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01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:41,600
Speaker 6: be a part of us, you know, because he's a

2215
01:57:41,640 --> 01:57:43,760
Speaker 6: man president, like a load of the brothers is in there.

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01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:46,040
Speaker 6: That's why I say it's important to have black people

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01:57:46,200 --> 01:57:48,880
Speaker 6: in the military. Now because of how you feel about it.

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01:57:49,000 --> 01:57:50,680
Speaker 6: We can't have all white military. We're gonna be in

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01:57:50,760 --> 01:57:53,560
Speaker 6: live damn trouble. Okay. But because I know I wouldn't

2220
01:57:53,560 --> 01:57:54,560
Speaker 6: have done that. I would have done the same thing

2221
01:57:54,680 --> 01:57:57,480
Speaker 6: he did. And I would have resigned if they asked

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Speaker 6: me to do that.

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01:57:57,880 --> 01:58:01,560
Speaker 1: But giving back to now, before you move on, brad Town,

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01:58:01,960 --> 01:58:04,400
Speaker 1: So you agree with it, do you think uh the

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01:58:04,560 --> 01:58:06,800
Speaker 1: sixth what they call them, that said that they should

2226
01:58:06,920 --> 01:58:10,960
Speaker 1: refuse audits, you think that they did anything wrong? You know,

2227
01:58:11,160 --> 01:58:13,880
Speaker 1: telling you the people in the military if the orders

2228
01:58:13,920 --> 01:58:16,880
Speaker 1: are not consistent, I guess with the Constitution, I'm just paraphrasing,

2229
01:58:17,040 --> 01:58:19,320
Speaker 1: they should, they should resistant or ignore them.

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01:58:20,160 --> 01:58:23,240
Speaker 6: Your responsibility to as this is dummed into us as

2231
01:58:23,240 --> 01:58:25,280
Speaker 6: a military officer goes beyond the United States.

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01:58:25,560 --> 01:58:27,000
Speaker 5: You tried at a.

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01:58:27,160 --> 01:58:32,880
Speaker 6: Military for tribunal in Geneva for violating the law of

2234
01:58:33,200 --> 01:58:36,680
Speaker 6: armed conflict. Now that if you remember the Nazis, the Nazis,

2235
01:58:37,240 --> 01:58:39,720
Speaker 6: the main Euskis they used for killing all those views

2236
01:58:39,840 --> 01:58:41,680
Speaker 6: was they were just following oars and guess what they

2237
01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:45,680
Speaker 6: hung them anyway, it's not okay. So this this is

2238
01:58:45,680 --> 01:58:47,640
Speaker 6: what this is what I'm getting at us. And by

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01:58:47,680 --> 01:58:50,800
Speaker 6: the way, when they were bombing uh in your bed

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01:58:50,960 --> 01:58:54,120
Speaker 6: on that group trap, they killed three hundred people. But

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01:58:55,120 --> 01:58:58,400
Speaker 6: those bombings that we did because a Colorad outbreak, one

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01:58:58,400 --> 01:59:00,440
Speaker 6: of the greatest in the world. Six million people have

2243
01:59:00,520 --> 01:59:03,040
Speaker 6: been affected with cholera because the water was contaminated seven

2244
01:59:03,040 --> 01:59:05,400
Speaker 6: percent of water and your men is contaminated due to

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01:59:05,440 --> 01:59:09,280
Speaker 6: our bombings. And Michael Rubio cut off all food a

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01:59:09,600 --> 01:59:13,840
Speaker 6: to your men although half the population is in danger

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01:59:13,880 --> 01:59:16,920
Speaker 6: of starving because of our bombs. So we were given

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01:59:16,920 --> 01:59:19,360
Speaker 6: one hundred million dollars for food. Ay, he cut it

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01:59:19,440 --> 01:59:22,360
Speaker 6: off and now they're going to starve to death. And

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Speaker 6: they saved one hundred million dollars, but spent a billion

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01:59:24,480 --> 01:59:26,680
Speaker 6: dollars dropping bombed on that that that costs a billion

2252
01:59:26,720 --> 01:59:29,280
Speaker 6: dollars to kill those people in your men three hundred people,

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01:59:29,480 --> 01:59:31,600
Speaker 6: so move right loss.

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01:59:32,440 --> 01:59:35,040
Speaker 1: Tax bay his money. So we're complicit in it if

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Speaker 1: we don't speak up.

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Speaker 6: Is that what you say exactly? And that's why I'm

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01:59:37,800 --> 01:59:39,160
Speaker 6: speaking of that's our money.

2258
01:59:39,520 --> 01:59:41,840
Speaker 8: And and so what I want to get to.

2259
01:59:42,080 --> 01:59:44,280
Speaker 6: Is that we have been as an indicator before, we

2260
01:59:44,400 --> 01:59:47,080
Speaker 6: have been protesting to the fact that brother Barbara Charlie

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01:59:47,160 --> 01:59:50,040
Speaker 6: Doug has been given quans that morning for the past

2262
01:59:50,040 --> 01:59:52,760
Speaker 6: twenty five years, to the assession of two years for COVID.

2263
01:59:52,880 --> 01:59:55,000
Speaker 6: He told me that they give them all kinds of

2264
01:59:55,080 --> 01:59:58,600
Speaker 6: static about handling quans. That at Morgan, I HBCU. Now

2265
01:59:58,600 --> 02:00:00,960
Speaker 6: I can expect it from Towsond and places like that.

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02:00:01,080 --> 02:00:04,600
Speaker 6: You're RESU in Maryland, but not in NCCU, you know so,

2267
02:00:05,760 --> 02:00:08,080
Speaker 6: and we want to shoot I'm sorry.

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02:00:09,320 --> 02:00:10,880
Speaker 3: Who is preventing that? It more?

2269
02:00:11,880 --> 02:00:15,120
Speaker 6: Well, we spoke to I spoke to a miss and

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02:00:15,240 --> 02:00:18,440
Speaker 6: at Woodrough the community out reached Lady at Morgan personally,

2271
02:00:18,560 --> 02:00:21,120
Speaker 6: and she told me that she received an email just

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02:00:21,160 --> 02:00:24,600
Speaker 6: when I went to after that they were gonna have uh,

2273
02:00:24,800 --> 02:00:26,120
Speaker 6: they were not gonna do corns this year.

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02:00:26,120 --> 02:00:27,000
Speaker 8: That she don't mean now.

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02:00:27,160 --> 02:00:30,080
Speaker 6: Now, Charlie Duggar told me later that they try to

2276
02:00:30,160 --> 02:00:32,120
Speaker 6: work it out. I don't know, but we've had people call.

2277
02:00:32,920 --> 02:00:35,240
Speaker 6: We've put a number out at Balmore and numb four

2278
02:00:35,240 --> 02:00:37,080
Speaker 6: homes out org bo one and numb for homes out

2279
02:00:37,200 --> 02:00:39,400
Speaker 6: org goes to the bob of the page and you'll

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02:00:39,440 --> 02:00:41,760
Speaker 6: see a number that you can call ms and at

2281
02:00:41,840 --> 02:00:46,120
Speaker 6: Woodruff and US. Matter of fact, yeah, okay, so if

2282
02:00:46,120 --> 02:00:48,120
Speaker 6: you go to that website you should see it, or

2283
02:00:48,920 --> 02:00:53,120
Speaker 6: you can simply just call four four three. Oh god, now,

2284
02:00:53,200 --> 02:00:54,720
Speaker 6: min I ain't gonna glass on, but anyway, go to

2285
02:00:54,800 --> 02:00:57,440
Speaker 6: Balmore and number fours homes out org bore number four

2286
02:00:57,480 --> 02:00:59,400
Speaker 6: homes ot org called the number and the character.

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02:00:59,520 --> 02:00:59,640
Speaker 3: Now.

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02:00:59,680 --> 02:01:01,840
Speaker 6: I was up there on Friday night, just getting back

2289
02:01:01,840 --> 02:01:05,920
Speaker 6: from Africaus. Cold was hat. My son dropped off his

2290
02:01:06,400 --> 02:01:09,400
Speaker 6: children and me and me a fourteen year old and

2291
02:01:11,280 --> 02:01:15,760
Speaker 6: a fifteen year old and my nephew, my sister's son.

2292
02:01:15,840 --> 02:01:19,160
Speaker 6: We were out there hand out fires of Canda mill

2293
02:01:19,240 --> 02:01:22,680
Speaker 6: and it's cold. It's like five thirty. Grown people should

2294
02:01:22,720 --> 02:01:25,120
Speaker 6: be doing that, all right, grown people should have done it.

2295
02:01:25,120 --> 02:01:26,240
Speaker 6: But I was so proud of them, and they were

2296
02:01:26,280 --> 02:01:27,920
Speaker 6: so happy to be doing it because they even they

2297
02:01:27,920 --> 02:01:30,800
Speaker 6: at their level, they understand that it's important to keep

2298
02:01:31,320 --> 02:01:34,760
Speaker 6: our students that were producing culturally literate because the first

2299
02:01:34,800 --> 02:01:37,080
Speaker 6: thing they we don't want them when they get out

2300
02:01:37,080 --> 02:01:38,480
Speaker 6: of college, the first thing they do is forget about

2301
02:01:38,480 --> 02:01:40,360
Speaker 6: where it came from. Because when you produce people that

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02:01:40,360 --> 02:01:43,880
Speaker 6: are disconnected from the community, you produce people like Clarence Thomas,

2303
02:01:44,400 --> 02:01:47,680
Speaker 6: You produce people like Tim Scott and Ben Consonant who

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02:01:47,680 --> 02:01:49,600
Speaker 6: feel like they have no obligation any connection to the

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Speaker 6: black community. Cause is the last thing we're going to

2306
02:01:51,160 --> 02:01:53,360
Speaker 6: do is take away cultural heritage and doctor Man. But

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02:01:53,440 --> 02:01:54,800
Speaker 6: do I want to get you number later, and I

2308
02:01:54,880 --> 02:01:56,320
Speaker 6: do want to talk to you about this and my

2309
02:01:56,400 --> 02:01:58,400
Speaker 6: experience in Africa and even a Gana they were saying

2310
02:01:58,400 --> 02:01:59,840
Speaker 6: that that was important when I was in.

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02:02:00,360 --> 02:02:02,160
Speaker 11: What I want you to do is call me. I'm

2312
02:02:02,200 --> 02:02:04,760
Speaker 11: going to speak to a net right after the show.

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02:02:05,600 --> 02:02:06,600
Speaker 3: I know her well in.

2314
02:02:06,720 --> 02:02:10,080
Speaker 11: Fact, and you give me a call at Morgan and

2315
02:02:10,280 --> 02:02:13,440
Speaker 11: I will return the call because that's deep be troumbling,

2316
02:02:13,640 --> 02:02:13,800
Speaker 11: you know.

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Speaker 15: And I'll.

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02:02:16,560 --> 02:02:18,720
Speaker 6: Gunna the ministers that I met with, and Gunnar Cheems

2319
02:02:18,880 --> 02:02:19,560
Speaker 6: and the Kings they.

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Speaker 3: Have a problem with that.

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Speaker 1: So let me sum it up for saying, are you

2322
02:02:23,640 --> 02:02:26,839
Speaker 1: saying that they cancel cons celebration.

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02:02:28,680 --> 02:02:30,480
Speaker 6: They're trying to real hard. They give them a hard

2324
02:02:30,520 --> 02:02:32,640
Speaker 6: time putting robot something. They have it in the building

2325
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Speaker 6: that they normally had it. They used to have a

2326
02:02:34,760 --> 02:02:36,480
Speaker 6: student union building. Now they're trying to move to some

2327
02:02:36,720 --> 02:02:38,600
Speaker 6: I guess the Jane of the clubs behind the football fields.

2328
02:02:38,600 --> 02:02:40,200
Speaker 6: And when I don't know, but they tell me to

2329
02:02:40,360 --> 02:02:41,200
Speaker 6: have that face.

2330
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'll get to the bottom.

2331
02:02:44,600 --> 02:02:49,320
Speaker 1: But you call me, what's the reason though?

2332
02:02:49,400 --> 02:02:50,520
Speaker 4: What's what do you need to number?

2333
02:02:50,760 --> 02:02:50,880
Speaker 8: Sir?

2334
02:02:51,040 --> 02:02:51,680
Speaker 5: I need a number.

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02:02:52,360 --> 02:02:55,120
Speaker 1: We'll get your number during the break because we come break.

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02:02:55,160 --> 02:02:57,080
Speaker 1: But before we do that, though, Tyron and I want

2337
02:02:57,080 --> 02:02:59,000
Speaker 1: to stay with us. What is the reason why they

2338
02:02:59,040 --> 02:02:59,680
Speaker 1: want to cancel it.

2339
02:03:01,280 --> 02:03:03,880
Speaker 6: They never gave me a direct reason. They said that

2340
02:03:03,960 --> 02:03:07,520
Speaker 6: the student union building or whatever is occupied. Now they

2341
02:03:07,560 --> 02:03:09,240
Speaker 6: gave it out to somebody else. I guess they don't

2342
02:03:09,240 --> 02:03:11,600
Speaker 6: think it's the board to you know.

2343
02:03:12,200 --> 02:03:15,080
Speaker 1: So well, all right there and stay with us. I'll

2344
02:03:15,120 --> 02:03:15,280
Speaker 1: let you.

2345
02:03:15,520 --> 02:03:15,920
Speaker 3: We want to hear.

2346
02:03:15,960 --> 02:03:17,920
Speaker 1: That's the trip to Ghana. We got to step aside

2347
02:03:17,920 --> 02:03:20,400
Speaker 1: for a few months. You and join our conversation with

2348
02:03:20,680 --> 02:03:23,200
Speaker 1: doctor Ray Wimbush reach out to us at eight hundred

2349
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Speaker 1: four to five zero seventy eight seventy six. Again, that's

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Speaker 1: eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy sixty. We'll

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Speaker 1: take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks

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02:03:32,160 --> 02:03:34,400
Speaker 1: for starting your week with us. Again, it's nineteen minutes

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Speaker 1: away from the top.

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Speaker 3: There.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's doctor Ray Wimbush, he teaches at Morgan

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Speaker 1: State University. Before we go back to let me just

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02:03:39,880 --> 02:03:41,760
Speaker 1: remind you. Coming up later this week you can hear

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Speaker 1: from the master teacher himself, Brother Ashar a Quasi also

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02:03:44,760 --> 02:03:47,120
Speaker 1: Chairman Fred Hampton will be with us. Doctor Sabe's son

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02:03:47,200 --> 02:03:49,760
Speaker 1: Abdullah make an appearance, and the founder of the Black

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02:03:49,840 --> 02:03:52,520
Speaker 1: Laws for Justice, Attorney Malik Shabous, will also join us. So,

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02:03:52,600 --> 02:03:54,400
Speaker 1: if you're in Baltimore, make sure you keep your radio

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02:03:54,440 --> 02:03:57,240
Speaker 1: locked in real tight on ten ten WLB. If you

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02:03:57,320 --> 02:04:01,040
Speaker 1: have a DMV, we're on fourteen fifteen WL. All right, Turron,

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02:04:01,120 --> 02:04:03,120
Speaker 1: you're about to tell us about your trip to Ghane.

2366
02:04:03,440 --> 02:04:05,800
Speaker 1: I let you post the trip and tell doctor Wimbers

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02:04:05,840 --> 02:04:06,360
Speaker 1: about your trip.

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Speaker 6: The key the key thing that the key thing way

2369
02:04:09,760 --> 02:04:12,480
Speaker 6: about my trip to Ghana is that they.

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02:04:12,440 --> 02:04:14,480
Speaker 14: Are proud of us.

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02:04:14,600 --> 02:04:17,160
Speaker 3: Maintained our connections.

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02:04:17,080 --> 02:04:21,560
Speaker 6: To their culture and to Africa and they and uh,

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02:04:21,600 --> 02:04:25,040
Speaker 6: they welcomed me as a brother. Actually the president of

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02:04:25,200 --> 02:04:29,240
Speaker 6: the Farmers and Fisherman's Union, uh let me stay at

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02:04:29,280 --> 02:04:31,720
Speaker 6: his place because I missed my plane going back and

2376
02:04:32,360 --> 02:04:35,400
Speaker 6: he put me up. Uh uh here is his wife's place.

2377
02:04:35,880 --> 02:04:40,040
Speaker 6: I was there to honor doctor e Faye Williams Esquire,

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02:04:40,240 --> 02:04:44,400
Speaker 6: Ambassador doctor f Williams Esquire. She was crowned queen mother

2379
02:04:44,680 --> 02:04:47,000
Speaker 6: by the chiefs and the kings and Ghana. Ghana had

2380
02:04:47,040 --> 02:04:50,280
Speaker 6: several hereditary kings, even though it's a democratic republic, you know,

2381
02:04:50,320 --> 02:04:51,760
Speaker 6: if you want to read a book over here in

2382
02:04:51,800 --> 02:04:53,840
Speaker 6: the United States, that's what it is. But they have

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02:04:54,240 --> 02:04:56,320
Speaker 6: what's called the hereditary kings and they have chiefs. And

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02:04:56,800 --> 02:04:58,800
Speaker 6: I was there to greek them. I was, and as

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02:04:59,080 --> 02:05:02,840
Speaker 6: I retired, knows there, officer, I was. You know, I'm

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02:05:02,960 --> 02:05:05,040
Speaker 6: allowed to wear my uniform because I have that title

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02:05:05,080 --> 02:05:07,360
Speaker 6: for life. And regardless of how I feel about the

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02:05:07,360 --> 02:05:09,320
Speaker 6: military now whatever, I have that title of life. I

2389
02:05:09,360 --> 02:05:12,080
Speaker 6: earned it out. I started at property one and all

2390
02:05:12,120 --> 02:05:14,120
Speaker 6: the time stuffing, I started all my decorations on. They're

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02:05:14,200 --> 02:05:17,040
Speaker 6: very proud, you know, And they were trying to get

2392
02:05:17,640 --> 02:05:19,840
Speaker 6: me to see if they get someone from the village

2393
02:05:20,320 --> 02:05:22,040
Speaker 6: to into the United States. Arm mean, I said, that's

2394
02:05:22,080 --> 02:05:22,879
Speaker 6: not a good idea.

2395
02:05:22,720 --> 02:05:24,840
Speaker 5: Right now, because it's the current occupent in the White House.

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02:05:25,600 --> 02:05:27,720
Speaker 5: If he gives you anything, he's gonna spend something in return.

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02:05:27,760 --> 02:05:28,960
Speaker 5: I don't want to get you, you know, on a

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02:05:29,000 --> 02:05:29,960
Speaker 5: trick back behind that.

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02:05:30,680 --> 02:05:33,840
Speaker 6: And the matter of fact, Ghana is known. I think

2400
02:05:33,880 --> 02:05:36,560
Speaker 6: the name means land of the warrior kings, so they

2401
02:05:36,680 --> 02:05:39,160
Speaker 6: admire people, you know, warriors and things of that nature.

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02:05:39,760 --> 02:05:41,840
Speaker 6: And the kids want to take pictures with me and

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02:05:41,880 --> 02:05:44,000
Speaker 6: everything like that. It felt like I was a summer

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02:05:44,040 --> 02:05:45,280
Speaker 6: ever eat there. It treats like.

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02:05:45,320 --> 02:05:47,640
Speaker 5: Kings, but she was a queen. She's taken me around

2406
02:05:47,680 --> 02:05:53,040
Speaker 5: like a queen. She's she actually helped do the Millionaire

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02:05:53,040 --> 02:05:56,160
Speaker 5: in March. She act she was the co chair of

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02:05:56,320 --> 02:05:58,800
Speaker 5: Ben Chavis on a Millionaire ma in March that I'm

2409
02:05:58,800 --> 02:06:01,720
Speaker 5: a minister to do his trailer come actually appointed to

2410
02:06:01,840 --> 02:06:04,080
Speaker 5: that role as a chair of the million Man the

2411
02:06:04,080 --> 02:06:07,840
Speaker 5: first one thirty years ago. And she's one of the

2412
02:06:07,920 --> 02:06:11,120
Speaker 5: few women that he let speak in the million Man March.

2413
02:06:11,200 --> 02:06:13,440
Speaker 5: And she also was all at gunpoint in the Persian

2414
02:06:13,480 --> 02:06:16,640
Speaker 5: Gulf trying to take a few food to hungry children

2415
02:06:17,120 --> 02:06:19,840
Speaker 5: in Iraq, and they would try to get her to

2416
02:06:19,840 --> 02:06:22,040
Speaker 5: come off the ship, and she refused to leave.

2417
02:06:22,040 --> 02:06:23,720
Speaker 6: Until all the women from all the world she had

2418
02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:25,840
Speaker 6: Tildy went from all the world. There they food was

2419
02:06:25,920 --> 02:06:28,200
Speaker 6: hungry children. She refused to leave the boat to the

2420
02:06:28,280 --> 02:06:30,240
Speaker 6: last woman got off, and when she left they blew

2421
02:06:30,280 --> 02:06:33,800
Speaker 6: that boat. The Kingdom come so and she refused to meet.

2422
02:06:33,840 --> 02:06:35,840
Speaker 6: But Saddam was saying that she didn't want to be

2423
02:06:35,960 --> 02:06:39,000
Speaker 6: used as a propaganda tool. She was there to feed

2424
02:06:39,040 --> 02:06:42,160
Speaker 6: those children, and it was it was just a whole

2425
02:06:42,200 --> 02:06:44,640
Speaker 6: crazy thing. I think she's writing a book about the experience.

2426
02:06:44,760 --> 02:06:48,000
Speaker 6: But yes, she was had a gunpoint, you know, trying

2427
02:06:48,040 --> 02:06:50,080
Speaker 6: to lose her life, trying to take trying to feed

2428
02:06:50,200 --> 02:06:53,200
Speaker 6: hungry people. So this one was not a joke. She

2429
02:06:53,320 --> 02:06:57,200
Speaker 6: was FROTI the big Grady society. Her being chrowned queen

2430
02:06:57,320 --> 02:06:59,040
Speaker 6: is our fashion statements. She's done a lot for our

2431
02:06:59,080 --> 02:07:02,240
Speaker 6: people and she continues to do a lot for our people.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, all right, thank you, thanks brother Tyron,

2433
02:07:07,080 --> 02:07:08,760
Speaker 1: thank you for sharing your thoughts for this this morning.

2434
02:07:08,840 --> 02:07:12,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, please get people called Morgan and uh and ask

2435
02:07:12,240 --> 02:07:15,480
Speaker 6: for Woodruff and the President David Wilson and tell him

2436
02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:17,840
Speaker 6: to keep that Kwansa at the same building has been

2437
02:07:17,920 --> 02:07:20,840
Speaker 6: at Stude Union Building and uh to keep that tradition

2438
02:07:20,880 --> 02:07:24,000
Speaker 6: allowed twenty five years going, Thank for your time, all right.

2439
02:07:23,960 --> 02:07:24,280
Speaker 3: Thank you?

2440
02:07:26,120 --> 02:07:26,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2441
02:07:26,520 --> 02:07:30,120
Speaker 1: Fifteen away from the top out doctor Win Bush or Burrows.

2442
02:07:30,320 --> 02:07:33,240
Speaker 1: He's joined us from Baltimore City. He's online three grand.

2443
02:07:33,080 --> 02:07:36,880
Speaker 3: Rising brand rising.

2444
02:07:38,280 --> 02:07:42,640
Speaker 16: Hey brother was a grand rising brother, ray one Bush

2445
02:07:43,000 --> 02:07:47,680
Speaker 16: and everybody, I must say that I'm I'm glad that

2446
02:07:47,960 --> 02:07:54,160
Speaker 16: the brother Tyrone both led the discussion or at least

2447
02:07:54,760 --> 02:07:59,840
Speaker 16: informed the public of the problem that has has been

2448
02:08:00,440 --> 02:08:05,920
Speaker 16: reoccurring with Morgan State University and particularly with the president

2449
02:08:06,640 --> 02:08:10,080
Speaker 16: David Wilson with regard to Kwan's at Morgan.

2450
02:08:11,080 --> 02:08:14,720
Speaker 13: I know that Charlie Dugger and I think you know

2451
02:08:15,360 --> 02:08:19,720
Speaker 13: Ray who Charlie Dugger is. For the last for the

2452
02:08:19,840 --> 02:08:27,440
Speaker 13: last twenty five years, he has spearheaded the pre Quansa

2453
02:08:27,600 --> 02:08:32,800
Speaker 13: celebration at Morgan State University at the Student Center.

2454
02:08:34,200 --> 02:08:36,560
Speaker 10: And I know that.

2455
02:08:38,120 --> 02:08:43,840
Speaker 13: For the last five years my organization, Roots of Scouting Incorporated,

2456
02:08:44,000 --> 02:08:47,839
Speaker 13: we've been a part of that actively and we've watched

2457
02:08:47,920 --> 02:08:55,320
Speaker 13: the numbers fall in terms of participation. I think it

2458
02:08:55,440 --> 02:09:00,440
Speaker 13: was three years ago that the president attended David Wilson,

2459
02:09:01,560 --> 02:09:06,280
Speaker 13: doctor David Wilson, and I thought everything was fine, But

2460
02:09:06,440 --> 02:09:10,240
Speaker 13: as I spoke to Charlie, he's telling me that all

2461
02:09:10,360 --> 02:09:14,160
Speaker 13: kinds of roadblocks have been put in his way, particularly

2462
02:09:14,240 --> 02:09:17,920
Speaker 13: with regard to vending and the vendors who had charged

2463
02:09:18,160 --> 02:09:22,800
Speaker 13: enormous fees for vending on the site, and now this

2464
02:09:23,040 --> 02:09:26,960
Speaker 13: particular year, they're telling him it cannot be held at

2465
02:09:27,080 --> 02:09:30,520
Speaker 13: the Student Center, that it's going to be somewhere else,

2466
02:09:30,760 --> 02:09:32,960
Speaker 13: or they don't know where it's going to be. So

2467
02:09:33,080 --> 02:09:38,960
Speaker 13: there's some kind of ideological pushback or something coming from

2468
02:09:39,040 --> 02:09:42,520
Speaker 13: the administration, not the students. So I guess we need

2469
02:09:42,600 --> 02:09:46,120
Speaker 13: to do a better job of involving the students and

2470
02:09:46,440 --> 02:09:50,879
Speaker 13: or a student government with respect to maintaining a tradition

2471
02:09:51,800 --> 02:09:57,440
Speaker 13: that has been of great success. I'd also remind you

2472
02:09:57,640 --> 02:10:04,720
Speaker 13: that for thirty five years the organization, again handed up

2473
02:10:04,800 --> 02:10:12,840
Speaker 13: by Brother Dougger, Charlie Dugger Camp Harambey, the people spearheaded

2474
02:10:12,960 --> 02:10:16,760
Speaker 13: the quans of celebrations at all of the branches or

2475
02:10:16,880 --> 02:10:21,680
Speaker 13: most of the branches of the Inert Pratt Free Library

2476
02:10:21,800 --> 02:10:25,960
Speaker 13: in Baltimore City that was discontinued a year ago by

2477
02:10:26,200 --> 02:10:33,440
Speaker 13: Enic Pratt in deference to we believe the initiatives put forward,

2478
02:10:34,160 --> 02:10:39,760
Speaker 13: the negative initiatives put forward by the Trump Maga administration

2479
02:10:40,840 --> 02:10:46,240
Speaker 13: to fight push back against diversity, equity and inclusion. So

2480
02:10:46,440 --> 02:10:51,000
Speaker 13: the init Pratt Library, they caved. And what I've said

2481
02:10:51,040 --> 02:10:57,680
Speaker 13: to Brother Dougger, those of us who consider ourselves activists,

2482
02:10:58,280 --> 02:11:00,720
Speaker 13: we have to do a better job of then farming

2483
02:11:00,880 --> 02:11:05,160
Speaker 13: the public and the black community, in particular of the

2484
02:11:05,280 --> 02:11:09,560
Speaker 13: transgressions and the spell deggery that goes on behind the

2485
02:11:09,640 --> 02:11:16,400
Speaker 13: scenes to destroy those institutions that are successful and successfully

2486
02:11:16,520 --> 02:11:22,440
Speaker 13: working with regard to mobilizing our families, our community.

2487
02:11:22,120 --> 02:11:22,920
Speaker 5: And our culture.

2488
02:11:24,760 --> 02:11:29,240
Speaker 13: Were brother Lee or you, I'm sorry, go ahead now.

2489
02:11:29,240 --> 02:11:30,920
Speaker 3: You've raised a lot of good points.

2490
02:11:31,920 --> 02:11:37,840
Speaker 11: The DEI you know, orders if you please, has really

2491
02:11:37,960 --> 02:11:45,080
Speaker 11: affected higher education in general, and HBCUs so far are

2492
02:11:45,320 --> 02:11:50,480
Speaker 11: relatively immune too. The state schools, as you know, are

2493
02:11:50,680 --> 02:11:53,920
Speaker 11: always concerned about state funding.

2494
02:11:53,640 --> 02:11:56,440
Speaker 3: Coming from legislatures that are not so friendly.

2495
02:11:58,680 --> 02:11:58,840
Speaker 4: You know.

2496
02:11:59,320 --> 02:12:02,320
Speaker 11: I'm like I said, Anne Woodrow, whose name has been

2497
02:12:02,440 --> 02:12:05,600
Speaker 11: mentioned by previous callers or somebody.

2498
02:12:05,280 --> 02:12:08,280
Speaker 3: That know, I was unaware of all of it. You know,

2499
02:12:08,440 --> 02:12:09,520
Speaker 3: this whole thing about.

2500
02:12:09,320 --> 02:12:13,040
Speaker 11: Kwanza because I've actually attended some of those pre Kwanzas

2501
02:12:13,160 --> 02:12:15,080
Speaker 11: ceremonies at Morgan.

2502
02:12:15,440 --> 02:12:16,000
Speaker 3: So I'm going to.

2503
02:12:16,000 --> 02:12:17,960
Speaker 11: Try to find out about it. But I think that

2504
02:12:19,000 --> 02:12:22,040
Speaker 11: you've got to be aware, and I know you are,

2505
02:12:23,480 --> 02:12:29,880
Speaker 11: that all schools of higher education and corporations are you know,

2506
02:12:30,720 --> 02:12:35,520
Speaker 11: being dragged under this how can you put it? The

2507
02:12:36,960 --> 02:12:42,640
Speaker 11: this rubric of DEI is somehow taking away from white people.

2508
02:12:43,520 --> 02:12:46,200
Speaker 11: People forget that the first thing that Trump did when

2509
02:12:46,240 --> 02:12:50,320
Speaker 11: he got in office was to deal with this DEI thing.

2510
02:12:51,120 --> 02:12:53,960
Speaker 11: I think it's ironic that you know, today is the

2511
02:12:55,280 --> 02:12:56,720
Speaker 11: what is it called.

2512
02:12:56,600 --> 02:13:04,240
Speaker 3: The sixty versus what the seventy is? Anniversary of.

2513
02:13:06,080 --> 02:13:10,000
Speaker 11: The Montgomery buff boycott, and I you know, I've said

2514
02:13:10,080 --> 02:13:14,000
Speaker 11: that the boycott was, as far as I'm concerned, still

2515
02:13:14,160 --> 02:13:17,560
Speaker 11: is one of the most effective tools that black people

2516
02:13:17,760 --> 02:13:21,640
Speaker 11: have in opposing systems of white supremacy. Yet it seems

2517
02:13:21,680 --> 02:13:24,720
Speaker 11: that we are, you know, the most the latest example

2518
02:13:24,840 --> 02:13:29,440
Speaker 11: being targeted the department stores. But it seems that along

2519
02:13:29,520 --> 02:13:33,600
Speaker 11: the way we've lost the ability to organize, which is

2520
02:13:34,160 --> 02:13:36,919
Speaker 11: essential for a boycott.

2521
02:13:38,000 --> 02:13:38,280
Speaker 3: Again.

2522
02:13:38,600 --> 02:13:41,440
Speaker 11: You know, Leo, you got my number, and I'm going

2523
02:13:41,520 --> 02:13:43,800
Speaker 11: to talk to you after the show about what's going

2524
02:13:43,880 --> 02:13:48,080
Speaker 11: on in Morgan and we'll talk about it off the

2525
02:13:48,200 --> 02:13:49,000
Speaker 11: record as well.

2526
02:13:51,200 --> 02:13:53,800
Speaker 5: Yes, well, I just want to extend that invitation. I

2527
02:13:53,920 --> 02:13:56,360
Speaker 5: appreciate working with.

2528
02:13:56,440 --> 02:13:59,000
Speaker 13: You and we'll work out the mechanics of how they

2529
02:13:59,120 --> 02:14:03,120
Speaker 13: make things work a game. But I want to extend

2530
02:14:03,160 --> 02:14:06,720
Speaker 13: to you and Brother Carl and everyone an invitation to

2531
02:14:06,880 --> 02:14:12,920
Speaker 13: attend a Kwanza celebration sponsored by and hosted by the

2532
02:14:13,040 --> 02:14:19,280
Speaker 13: Roots of Scouting Incorporated in partnership with sankofa Emma and

2533
02:14:19,440 --> 02:14:23,280
Speaker 13: the Baltimore Writes of Passage Initiative. That's going to be

2534
02:14:23,400 --> 02:14:29,800
Speaker 13: on Friday, December twenty sixth at the weinberg Y and

2535
02:14:30,000 --> 02:14:33,400
Speaker 13: Waverley on thirty third Street here in Baltimore City, nine

2536
02:14:33,520 --> 02:14:38,600
Speaker 13: hundred nine hundred East thirty third Street from six point

2537
02:14:38,600 --> 02:14:42,400
Speaker 13: thirty to nine thirty pm from six thirty to nine

2538
02:14:42,520 --> 02:14:46,520
Speaker 13: thirty pm. And the chief of this event, the Grand Coordinator,

2539
02:14:47,200 --> 02:14:51,280
Speaker 13: is Brother Olomina Stevenson and his number is four four

2540
02:14:51,440 --> 02:14:55,240
Speaker 13: three five two seven five five two seven four four

2541
02:14:55,400 --> 02:15:00,640
Speaker 13: three five two seven five five twenty seven. So to

2542
02:15:00,840 --> 02:15:04,160
Speaker 13: God be the glory, We're going to keep these traditions

2543
02:15:04,200 --> 02:15:08,760
Speaker 13: alive and we're gonna win the fight. It's a Titanic battle,

2544
02:15:08,880 --> 02:15:12,880
Speaker 13: but again we're we've got people who are working against us,

2545
02:15:13,240 --> 02:15:17,880
Speaker 13: and we've got more gatekeepers than you would imagine it,

2546
02:15:20,640 --> 02:15:23,640
Speaker 13: all right, so correct, keep the.

2547
02:15:23,720 --> 02:15:26,120
Speaker 3: Faith, all right, thanks love.

2548
02:15:27,040 --> 02:15:28,920
Speaker 1: It was one of the soldiers out there in Baltimore

2549
02:15:28,960 --> 02:15:30,360
Speaker 1: has been on the battlefield for a.

2550
02:15:30,480 --> 02:15:34,720
Speaker 3: Long time and highly respected to high there you go.

2551
02:15:35,600 --> 02:15:38,360
Speaker 1: Highly respected. He's not going to give up. So I'm

2552
02:15:38,360 --> 02:15:40,360
Speaker 1: sure we're going to see some changes before I take

2553
02:15:40,400 --> 02:15:42,680
Speaker 1: the next call for you though, doctor, are you seeing

2554
02:15:42,720 --> 02:15:46,160
Speaker 1: an uptick of Morgan of students enrolling in Morgan because

2555
02:15:46,160 --> 02:15:49,600
Speaker 1: of the de I and uh, you know, I just

2556
02:15:49,720 --> 02:15:52,760
Speaker 1: feel unwanted by the the p WI schools.

2557
02:15:54,320 --> 02:15:56,480
Speaker 3: Well, you know absolutely.

2558
02:15:56,680 --> 02:16:00,080
Speaker 11: I mean, Morgan is now the third largest HPC in

2559
02:16:00,080 --> 02:16:04,440
Speaker 11: the United States, behind North Carolina, A and T and Howard,

2560
02:16:04,760 --> 02:16:08,600
Speaker 11: and we'll probably be overtaking Howard, you know, come next September.

2561
02:16:10,320 --> 02:16:15,440
Speaker 11: HBCUs are bursting at the seams right now because parents

2562
02:16:15,480 --> 02:16:16,040
Speaker 11: don't want.

2563
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Speaker 3: To send their children to hostile.

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02:16:17,920 --> 02:16:23,680
Speaker 11: Environments where you know, they're being deported, where they're being

2565
02:16:23,960 --> 02:16:28,840
Speaker 11: scrutinized or overscrutinized and just becoming victims of you know,

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02:16:28,960 --> 02:16:34,440
Speaker 11: the system of white supremacy. So the dormitory buildings, several

2567
02:16:34,480 --> 02:16:37,519
Speaker 11: of them are brand new at Morgan and we're remodeling

2568
02:16:38,200 --> 02:16:42,720
Speaker 11: Tubman Hall at Morgan. So you know, I've got a

2569
02:16:42,959 --> 02:16:45,760
Speaker 11: I'm teaching the classes semester. You know, thirty five is

2570
02:16:45,800 --> 02:16:49,080
Speaker 11: the maximum. For the past three years, all of my

2571
02:16:49,200 --> 02:16:52,800
Speaker 11: classes have had thirty five students in it and more

2572
02:16:52,959 --> 02:16:59,119
Speaker 11: want to come. So HBCUs are, you know, experiencing a renaissance.

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Speaker 11: You probably know that Jeff.

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02:17:02,360 --> 02:17:04,840
Speaker 3: Bezos's ex wife just gave Morgan.

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Speaker 11: You know, I think it was either forty five million

2576
02:17:09,600 --> 02:17:14,600
Speaker 11: in addition to what she's given before her donations over

2577
02:17:14,680 --> 02:17:18,400
Speaker 11: one hundred million. And people have said, well, what is

2578
02:17:18,480 --> 02:17:21,199
Speaker 11: her motive? And I want to share this real quick.

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02:17:21,560 --> 02:17:24,480
Speaker 11: She was a student of Tony Morrison when Tony was

2580
02:17:24,560 --> 02:17:28,000
Speaker 11: teaching at Princeton University, and she asked.

2581
02:17:28,080 --> 02:17:30,800
Speaker 3: Tony Morrison what could she do to.

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02:17:31,000 --> 02:17:34,879
Speaker 11: Really help Black America. And Tony, who used to teach

2583
02:17:34,920 --> 02:17:40,320
Speaker 11: at Howard University in fact taught Kwame Toure Stokely Carmichael.

2584
02:17:42,080 --> 02:17:45,879
Speaker 11: Tony told her to give to HBCUs and that's why

2585
02:17:45,959 --> 02:17:49,320
Speaker 11: she's been donating to HBCUs across the country.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's amazing backstory right there. Thank you for sharing

2587
02:17:54,560 --> 02:17:56,840
Speaker 1: that with us. Doctor Wimbers because we saw how much

2588
02:17:56,879 --> 02:17:59,400
Speaker 1: money she's given to HBCU schools, and it's a lot

2589
02:17:59,440 --> 02:18:02,160
Speaker 1: of money. But and then when you see that, and

2590
02:18:02,240 --> 02:18:04,400
Speaker 1: you look at all the other billionaires and they're sitting

2591
02:18:04,440 --> 02:18:06,560
Speaker 1: on their hands and all they're thinking about is collecting

2592
02:18:06,760 --> 02:18:09,680
Speaker 1: more money, more money, more money. And she's giving her money.

2593
02:18:10,400 --> 02:18:12,000
Speaker 1: It's going to make a difference in a lot of

2594
02:18:12,120 --> 02:18:17,000
Speaker 1: lives for black folks attending HBCUs. So you know, again,

2595
02:18:17,040 --> 02:18:18,840
Speaker 1: it just got to applaud her for doing that. She

2596
02:18:18,959 --> 02:18:23,039
Speaker 1: didn't have to do it. In fact, yeah, I think

2597
02:18:23,120 --> 02:18:25,840
Speaker 1: Elon must criticize her, you know, for giving away that money,

2598
02:18:25,920 --> 02:18:29,240
Speaker 1: because he says, you don't do that, you know, being

2599
02:18:29,240 --> 02:18:32,119
Speaker 1: an Africana, he can't see himself doing that helping black people,

2600
02:18:32,200 --> 02:18:34,279
Speaker 1: but she sees life differently.

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02:18:35,440 --> 02:18:38,040
Speaker 11: He's definitely not going to do it. And see, you know,

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02:18:38,160 --> 02:18:42,680
Speaker 11: it's really funny because I think doctor Dre donated. I

2603
02:18:42,800 --> 02:18:45,080
Speaker 11: want to make sure about this. I think it's seventy

2604
02:18:45,200 --> 02:18:52,280
Speaker 11: million to University of Southern California, you know, for you know,

2605
02:18:52,640 --> 02:18:55,160
Speaker 11: I mean, if a black person gives to a white institution,

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02:18:55,360 --> 02:18:56,080
Speaker 11: I'm sure.

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02:18:55,920 --> 02:18:59,680
Speaker 3: That Elon must won't criticize it. But when a white.

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02:18:59,480 --> 02:19:02,880
Speaker 11: Person does to a black institution, it brings out the

2609
02:19:02,959 --> 02:19:09,600
Speaker 11: white supremacies. So you know, is again how the system

2610
02:19:09,640 --> 02:19:11,119
Speaker 11: of white supremacy works.

2611
02:19:12,080 --> 02:19:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Drea copy of Doctor Fox's book Addicted

2612
02:19:15,120 --> 02:19:17,360
Speaker 1: to White. They're pressed in league with the oppressor, shame

2613
02:19:17,440 --> 02:19:20,640
Speaker 1: based alliones. He's all the way that violating those five

2614
02:19:21,000 --> 02:19:24,280
Speaker 1: cool white values that many blacks to do. That Doctor

2615
02:19:24,320 --> 02:19:26,960
Speaker 1: Fox pointed out. Anyway, it's two minutes away from the

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Speaker 1: top of that. We take a short break so our

2617
02:19:28,640 --> 02:19:31,320
Speaker 1: stations can identify themselves down the line, because some folks

2618
02:19:31,400 --> 02:19:32,680
Speaker 1: want to talk to you. Well, when we get back,

2619
02:19:32,800 --> 02:19:34,520
Speaker 1: Dr Wimber she want to join the crowd. Reach out

2620
02:19:34,560 --> 02:19:37,320
Speaker 1: to us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy

2621
02:19:37,360 --> 02:19:39,119
Speaker 1: eight to seventy six and we'll take your phone calls

2622
02:19:39,320 --> 02:19:41,760
Speaker 1: next and grand Rising family, thanks are starting your week

2623
02:19:41,800 --> 02:19:44,000
Speaker 1: with us this morning. I guess there's doctor Ray wimbersh

2624
02:19:44,040 --> 02:19:45,920
Speaker 1: from Morgan State University of talking about a lot of

2625
02:19:45,959 --> 02:19:47,560
Speaker 1: issues with Dr Wimbers She want to get in on

2626
02:19:47,640 --> 02:19:50,320
Speaker 1: this discussion. It's really he just reach out to us

2627
02:19:50,360 --> 02:19:53,800
Speaker 1: at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Wimbush, Gregory and brother Gregory's call us from Charlotte.

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Speaker 1: He's online one grand rising brother, Gregory, you're on with

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02:19:59,440 --> 02:20:00,359
Speaker 1: doctor Wimbleh.

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Speaker 14: Yes, grund rising brother, Carl grun Rising, Doctor wind Bush.

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02:20:06,040 --> 02:20:08,400
Speaker 14: How you doing doing pretty good, sir?

2633
02:20:08,840 --> 02:20:09,000
Speaker 6: Yes.

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Speaker 14: And first of all, congratulations on that growth and enrollment

2635
02:20:12,720 --> 02:20:15,840
Speaker 14: at Morgan State and also those multimillion dollar donations.

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02:20:15,959 --> 02:20:19,480
Speaker 17: That's great news, Yes, sir.

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Speaker 14: And I talked to some of the other professors, doctor

2638
02:20:22,680 --> 02:20:25,160
Speaker 14: Joe Horn and some of the guests on the Carl

2639
02:20:25,240 --> 02:20:27,000
Speaker 14: Nelson Show, and I wanted to put a question on

2640
02:20:27,080 --> 02:20:30,440
Speaker 14: the table for you, just like those other professors. And

2641
02:20:30,640 --> 02:20:36,359
Speaker 14: the issue is the Trump executive order regarding birthright citizenship.

2642
02:20:37,160 --> 02:20:39,800
Speaker 14: And one of the googles that I did is that

2643
02:20:40,040 --> 02:20:47,320
Speaker 14: Trump said birthright citizenship is unconstitutional. He didn't say for Latinos,

2644
02:20:47,800 --> 02:20:50,920
Speaker 14: he didn't say for Hispanics. He just put a period

2645
02:20:51,400 --> 02:20:56,840
Speaker 14: after unconstitutional. So that caught my eye. Also, there's another

2646
02:20:57,000 --> 02:21:02,440
Speaker 14: article in Google. It says Trump requests an expedited Supreme

2647
02:21:02,560 --> 02:21:07,760
Speaker 14: Court hearing regarding birthright citizenship. So what we thought would

2648
02:21:07,760 --> 02:21:11,480
Speaker 14: happen in twenty twenty seven could actually have a decision

2649
02:21:11,720 --> 02:21:15,680
Speaker 14: in twenty twenty six regarding the Supreme Court review of

2650
02:21:15,800 --> 02:21:20,920
Speaker 14: birthright citizenship and what we're seeing, doctor Winburgh. First, Trump

2651
02:21:21,000 --> 02:21:24,720
Speaker 14: has been targeting the illegal immigrants, and then just this

2652
02:21:24,879 --> 02:21:30,640
Speaker 14: weekend we saw Trump targeting even naturalized citizens. So I'm

2653
02:21:30,680 --> 02:21:34,640
Speaker 14: thinking maybe step three could be Trump could target actually

2654
02:21:34,879 --> 02:21:39,440
Speaker 14: African American birthright citizens So I wanted to get your opinion,

2655
02:21:39,920 --> 02:21:43,560
Speaker 14: first of all, on the value of birthright citizenship to

2656
02:21:43,680 --> 02:21:47,440
Speaker 14: our ancestors and to us as black people today, and

2657
02:21:47,600 --> 02:21:51,800
Speaker 14: also the implications for black people if the Supreme Court

2658
02:21:51,879 --> 02:21:56,360
Speaker 14: reviews this issue and then they actually redefine what is

2659
02:21:56,680 --> 02:21:58,119
Speaker 14: the United States citizenship?

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02:21:58,760 --> 02:22:02,440
Speaker 11: Because you're coming on that the winds absolutely and it's

2661
02:22:02,480 --> 02:22:07,360
Speaker 11: an excellent question. First of all, the Fourteenth Amendment, when

2662
02:22:08,000 --> 02:22:10,440
Speaker 11: you know, again, I want to begin with the premise

2663
02:22:10,600 --> 02:22:14,520
Speaker 11: that Trump Trump lies. Okay, he lies, He's a liar.

2664
02:22:16,040 --> 02:22:20,440
Speaker 11: The Fourteenth Amendment states, all persons born or naturalized in

2665
02:22:20,640 --> 02:22:25,800
Speaker 11: the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are

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02:22:26,160 --> 02:22:29,760
Speaker 11: citizens of the United States and of the state wherein

2667
02:22:29,879 --> 02:22:33,640
Speaker 11: they reside. The Fourteenth Amendment, which was written right after

2668
02:22:33,760 --> 02:22:39,040
Speaker 11: the Civil War to guarantee black folks citizenship because there

2669
02:22:39,160 --> 02:22:42,680
Speaker 11: was this question during the Civil War as whether or

2670
02:22:42,720 --> 02:22:46,920
Speaker 11: not like Africans who had been stolen from Africa brought

2671
02:22:47,000 --> 02:22:51,679
Speaker 11: to the United States were really citizens, and the fourteenth.

2672
02:22:51,280 --> 02:22:53,759
Speaker 3: Amendment was, you know, passed.

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02:22:53,920 --> 02:22:58,320
Speaker 11: To guarantee them citizenship. So anyone born in the United States,

2674
02:22:58,400 --> 02:23:05,199
Speaker 11: the children of immigrants, black folk, all of that birthright

2675
02:23:05,360 --> 02:23:09,960
Speaker 11: citizenship is constitutional. Now would you bring up whether or

2676
02:23:10,000 --> 02:23:13,320
Speaker 11: not the Supreme Court, which is about the needs of Trump,

2677
02:23:13,800 --> 02:23:16,480
Speaker 11: is going to say, well, let's expand is not only

2678
02:23:17,000 --> 02:23:21,280
Speaker 11: are you know, you know, the immigrants. I mean, they

2679
02:23:21,400 --> 02:23:26,440
Speaker 11: could vote to say that the birthright citizenship is unconstitutional.

2680
02:23:27,200 --> 02:23:30,359
Speaker 11: I hope they don't do that. But several black scholars

2681
02:23:30,760 --> 02:23:35,760
Speaker 11: in Gerald Horne being one of them, we've debated among

2682
02:23:35,920 --> 02:23:38,320
Speaker 11: us whether or not they could apply that to black

2683
02:23:38,920 --> 02:23:40,920
Speaker 11: you know, citizens of the United States.

2684
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

2685
02:23:43,720 --> 02:23:47,760
Speaker 11: I do know that the fourteenth amer Amendment again guarantee

2686
02:23:47,879 --> 02:23:52,000
Speaker 11: citizenship of anyone born on so called American soil.

2687
02:23:53,400 --> 02:23:55,920
Speaker 1: So let me jump in, fellas, just tell the audience

2688
02:23:56,000 --> 02:23:58,840
Speaker 1: what would happen if if the Supreme Court makes those changes.

2689
02:23:59,320 --> 02:24:02,880
Speaker 11: What would happen is they made those changes, they could

2690
02:24:03,040 --> 02:24:07,640
Speaker 11: question whether or not and it depends on the you know,

2691
02:24:07,840 --> 02:24:11,480
Speaker 11: the how they write the opinion. They could say, well,

2692
02:24:12,480 --> 02:24:16,840
Speaker 11: black folks, going back, you know, we were you know,

2693
02:24:17,040 --> 02:24:21,840
Speaker 11: we were born of unnaturalized citizens. You know, we were

2694
02:24:21,920 --> 02:24:27,160
Speaker 11: not naturalized really under the Fourteenth Amendment, and therefore we're

2695
02:24:27,280 --> 02:24:31,560
Speaker 11: descendants of illegal immigrants. I mean, you know the Supreme

2696
02:24:31,640 --> 02:24:34,640
Speaker 11: Court is rule. You know, I was shocked only when

2697
02:24:34,680 --> 02:24:39,760
Speaker 11: they gave Trump immunity. They could undermine the Fourteenth Amendment.

2698
02:24:39,879 --> 02:24:42,879
Speaker 11: They've already done away with Roe v. Wade, They've already

2699
02:24:43,000 --> 02:24:49,080
Speaker 11: done away with exacerated the Voting Rights Act, and they

2700
02:24:49,320 --> 02:24:54,240
Speaker 11: could deal with the Fourteenth Amendment saying that it was unconstitutional,

2701
02:24:54,720 --> 02:24:58,840
Speaker 11: just like they said the Plus versus Ferguson was unconstitutional

2702
02:24:59,240 --> 02:25:00,640
Speaker 11: back in nineteen fifty four.

2703
02:25:01,840 --> 02:25:04,680
Speaker 1: You know, Dr Wimbush, that that bigs a thought. Maybe

2704
02:25:04,720 --> 02:25:08,240
Speaker 1: somebody's telling folks over at Ados and the FDA folks

2705
02:25:08,520 --> 02:25:12,680
Speaker 1: about this. Do you think they should they should know this?

2706
02:25:14,400 --> 02:25:17,800
Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, they very quick call themselves American descendants

2707
02:25:17,840 --> 02:25:21,119
Speaker 11: and slaves. And where you look, we're taking you out too. Okay,

2708
02:25:21,320 --> 02:25:23,560
Speaker 11: you're a descendant illegally, you see.

2709
02:25:23,600 --> 02:25:27,480
Speaker 3: You know, it's I don't know, We're living in crazy times,

2710
02:25:27,560 --> 02:25:29,000
Speaker 3: at very dangerous times.

2711
02:25:30,640 --> 02:25:34,400
Speaker 14: Just one quick follow up, brother call sure, Yes, I

2712
02:25:34,520 --> 02:25:37,480
Speaker 14: just want to add in one other Google for the audience,

2713
02:25:37,560 --> 02:25:39,920
Speaker 14: and if you might want to research at doctor Winbush

2714
02:25:40,440 --> 02:25:45,680
Speaker 14: and it's Trump National Citizenship Database. And with this showed

2715
02:25:45,720 --> 02:25:47,959
Speaker 14: this for the first time in the United States history,

2716
02:25:48,520 --> 02:25:52,320
Speaker 14: the Trump administration has created like a master computer database

2717
02:25:52,800 --> 02:25:56,760
Speaker 14: of all United States citizens. And this together with a

2718
02:25:56,959 --> 02:26:03,080
Speaker 14: possible Supreme Court ruling that might nullify birthright citizenship, the

2719
02:26:03,440 --> 02:26:06,920
Speaker 14: ultimate goal of this Trump administration might did to redefine

2720
02:26:07,240 --> 02:26:11,760
Speaker 14: a new form of citizenship that probably could actually go.

2721
02:26:11,879 --> 02:26:15,480
Speaker 14: And with what you said earlier, the key question would

2722
02:26:15,520 --> 02:26:20,160
Speaker 14: this change subject African Americans, thirty million of US to

2723
02:26:20,320 --> 02:26:25,560
Speaker 14: possible deportation to Africa other countries, just like the denaturalized

2724
02:26:25,600 --> 02:26:30,200
Speaker 14: citizens and the illegal immigrants. And Brother Tony Browner and

2725
02:26:30,520 --> 02:26:34,680
Speaker 14: brother Carl have mentioned a cataclismic event that could cause

2726
02:26:34,760 --> 02:26:37,680
Speaker 14: unity of black people. And when I did my research,

2727
02:26:37,879 --> 02:26:40,680
Speaker 14: I saw this and I said, brother Call, this could

2728
02:26:40,680 --> 02:26:44,199
Speaker 14: be it, because this would change everything for thirty million

2729
02:26:44,240 --> 02:26:47,440
Speaker 14: Black people in America if they tamper with and reduce

2730
02:26:47,680 --> 02:26:50,600
Speaker 14: the rights of our citizenship. Could you comment on that, sir,

2731
02:26:50,840 --> 02:26:53,120
Speaker 14: Thank you, Brother Call before you leave.

2732
02:26:53,160 --> 02:26:56,160
Speaker 1: Though, Brother Gregory for and doctor wimbersh comments, do you

2733
02:26:56,240 --> 02:26:59,080
Speaker 1: think they got this information when MOSCAW was up there

2734
02:26:59,200 --> 02:27:02,800
Speaker 1: at getting all the information he got everything every American

2735
02:27:02,879 --> 02:27:03,440
Speaker 1: o this country.

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02:27:04,240 --> 02:27:06,520
Speaker 14: You're right on point, brother Paul. That's what it was

2737
02:27:06,600 --> 02:27:09,680
Speaker 14: all about, I believe building that database. And I think

2738
02:27:09,720 --> 02:27:13,360
Speaker 14: you also mentioned he has this super computer called Brock

2739
02:27:13,520 --> 02:27:17,360
Speaker 14: or something. Can a scene, Yes, and and all of

2740
02:27:17,400 --> 02:27:22,279
Speaker 14: this information is basically the foundation of this national Citizenship database.

2741
02:27:22,760 --> 02:27:26,400
Speaker 14: So if this makes the ruling, it could change everything.

2742
02:27:26,120 --> 02:27:31,360
Speaker 11: For us, Brother Paul, and doctor Embush, everything you say

2743
02:27:31,480 --> 02:27:33,119
Speaker 11: is absolutely on point.

2744
02:27:34,280 --> 02:27:36,760
Speaker 3: We can only hope that they won't.

2745
02:27:37,400 --> 02:27:39,600
Speaker 11: But you know, a lot of events.

2746
02:27:39,680 --> 02:27:41,320
Speaker 3: You have to connect dots.

2747
02:27:41,800 --> 02:27:47,000
Speaker 11: And you mentioned Grock, You mentioned Elon Musk, like mining

2748
02:27:47,560 --> 02:27:50,280
Speaker 11: tons of data while he was up there with that

2749
02:27:50,480 --> 02:27:54,920
Speaker 11: dose you know crap, and all of this stuff points

2750
02:27:55,000 --> 02:27:59,520
Speaker 11: to and then Trump coming, you know, saying consistently, uh,

2751
02:28:00,200 --> 02:28:05,360
Speaker 11: all persons. You know, you know, birthright citizenship is unconstitutional.

2752
02:28:05,760 --> 02:28:09,400
Speaker 11: It is it's written in the constitution. Because this debate

2753
02:28:09,640 --> 02:28:13,240
Speaker 11: happened again one hundred and sixty years ago, right.

2754
02:28:13,120 --> 02:28:16,560
Speaker 5: After the Civil War, there was this strong.

2755
02:28:16,360 --> 02:28:18,439
Speaker 3: Movement to deport black.

2756
02:28:18,280 --> 02:28:19,840
Speaker 11: People from this country.

2757
02:28:20,280 --> 02:28:21,279
Speaker 3: We're seeing right.

2758
02:28:21,240 --> 02:28:28,280
Speaker 11: Now people who have legitimate citizenship in this country being deported.

2759
02:28:28,640 --> 02:28:31,080
Speaker 3: He talked about in the past.

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02:28:30,840 --> 02:28:33,920
Speaker 11: Week, those who have he's used this incident, you know

2761
02:28:35,440 --> 02:28:40,480
Speaker 11: that happened in Washington with the National Guard woman from

2762
02:28:41,280 --> 02:28:43,720
Speaker 11: West Virginia to say we're gonna look.

2763
02:28:43,560 --> 02:28:45,400
Speaker 3: At people who have green cards.

2764
02:28:45,920 --> 02:28:46,080
Speaker 4: You know.

2765
02:28:46,360 --> 02:28:52,200
Speaker 11: So I think, you know again, MAGA means make America

2766
02:28:52,360 --> 02:28:53,000
Speaker 11: white again.

2767
02:28:53,480 --> 02:28:55,000
Speaker 3: And they're doing it at.

2768
02:28:54,920 --> 02:28:59,760
Speaker 11: The browning with brown people. They're gonna, I think, with

2769
02:29:00,040 --> 02:29:03,640
Speaker 11: this birthright thing going to the Supreme Court, they're.

2770
02:29:03,440 --> 02:29:05,200
Speaker 6: Going to do it with black people as well.

2771
02:29:06,120 --> 02:29:07,800
Speaker 1: But let me ask you, so a twelve after top

2772
02:29:07,920 --> 02:29:11,680
Speaker 1: that doctor women, wouldn't that also affect his wife, his

2773
02:29:11,760 --> 02:29:15,199
Speaker 1: current wife and his son? It shover be an ankle baby.

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Speaker 11: It would because by that you should the Port Milania,

2775
02:29:21,400 --> 02:29:25,240
Speaker 11: and you should the Port Baron because she he was

2776
02:29:25,480 --> 02:29:29,240
Speaker 11: born of an unnaturalized citizen.

2777
02:29:29,280 --> 02:29:29,800
Speaker 6: You know too.

2778
02:29:30,160 --> 02:29:33,360
Speaker 11: But I don't think but see again, you have a

2779
02:29:33,480 --> 02:29:38,040
Speaker 11: corrupt administration. She came here in this country, and most

2780
02:29:38,080 --> 02:29:43,200
Speaker 11: people think Epstein introduced Milania to Trunk, but that's neither

2781
02:29:43,280 --> 02:29:46,800
Speaker 11: here nor there. But she came here under a genius visa,

2782
02:29:47,160 --> 02:29:50,920
Speaker 11: the one that he just raised the price to one

2783
02:29:51,000 --> 02:29:52,359
Speaker 11: hundred thousand dollars.

2784
02:29:52,840 --> 02:29:55,000
Speaker 3: By the way, so that's going.

2785
02:29:54,959 --> 02:30:01,119
Speaker 11: To effectively not bring needed people in this country from India.

2786
02:30:01,320 --> 02:30:06,680
Speaker 11: Who are you know, frankly geniuses and engineering and so forth.

2787
02:30:07,040 --> 02:30:10,520
Speaker 11: So I don't think he I think he's a criminal.

2788
02:30:10,879 --> 02:30:14,080
Speaker 11: So criminals don't say what's right and what's wrong. They

2789
02:30:14,200 --> 02:30:16,400
Speaker 11: just do what they want to do. And he'll probably

2790
02:30:16,400 --> 02:30:19,760
Speaker 11: say what my wife is an exception or something like that.

2791
02:30:20,120 --> 02:30:22,680
Speaker 11: You know, this guy lies and you know, and his

2792
02:30:22,879 --> 02:30:25,480
Speaker 11: line could extend even to his family.

2793
02:30:26,879 --> 02:30:28,760
Speaker 1: Twelve after that, top of our family, just checking in

2794
02:30:28,879 --> 02:30:31,400
Speaker 1: our guess is doctor ray Winbush from Morgan State University.

2795
02:30:31,520 --> 02:30:33,240
Speaker 1: You speak to him, reach out to us at eight

2796
02:30:33,360 --> 02:30:36,880
Speaker 1: hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six mics online.

2797
02:30:36,920 --> 02:30:39,320
Speaker 1: Three's call him from DC grand Rising Mike around with

2798
02:30:39,400 --> 02:30:40,519
Speaker 1: doctor Wimbush.

2799
02:30:42,000 --> 02:30:42,640
Speaker 6: Grand Rise and.

2800
02:30:42,640 --> 02:30:45,320
Speaker 8: Doctor Wrenbush and mister Carling Neston, mister Kevin. I was

2801
02:30:45,400 --> 02:30:48,160
Speaker 8: just listening to mister Leo Barrow's earlier and sometime money

2802
02:30:48,200 --> 02:30:49,720
Speaker 8: might call it. We all run in the same circles

2803
02:30:49,720 --> 02:30:52,119
Speaker 8: on the same radio talk shows, but I don't really

2804
02:30:52,240 --> 02:30:54,959
Speaker 8: like actually know them. But one way to organize. You're

2805
02:30:54,959 --> 02:30:56,800
Speaker 8: talking about organized. We had lost the way to organized.

2806
02:30:56,959 --> 02:30:59,920
Speaker 8: But you make a good point too, doctor Morgan State.

2807
02:31:00,040 --> 02:31:02,760
Speaker 8: It's the third largest HBCU right now. I probably would

2808
02:31:02,800 --> 02:31:05,680
Speaker 8: surpass Howard and A and T. And I was invited

2809
02:31:05,760 --> 02:31:08,480
Speaker 8: to an analyst and a scout. I do for the

2810
02:31:08,760 --> 02:31:11,960
Speaker 8: military also too, And I was invited to the Classic

2811
02:31:12,480 --> 02:31:15,960
Speaker 8: at Norfolk State University and Delaware State University and Lincoln

2812
02:31:15,959 --> 02:31:18,160
Speaker 8: Field about a month ago because I have recruits going

2813
02:31:18,200 --> 02:31:20,880
Speaker 8: to both schools from Deshaun and Jackson and Michael Vick.

2814
02:31:21,160 --> 02:31:24,440
Speaker 8: And there were fifty thousand people that look like African

2815
02:31:24,480 --> 02:31:27,119
Speaker 8: American people over there, look like this, no fighting, know nothing,

2816
02:31:27,680 --> 02:31:29,960
Speaker 8: So I know that this could be done. I know

2817
02:31:30,040 --> 02:31:31,680
Speaker 8: this could be done. And I was part of the

2818
02:31:31,840 --> 02:31:35,920
Speaker 8: NIL committee to make sure that now people could get

2819
02:31:36,000 --> 02:31:38,920
Speaker 8: money from this from the institutions. The white in pwis

2820
02:31:39,080 --> 02:31:43,160
Speaker 8: but making almost twenty billion dollars a year off of

2821
02:31:43,280 --> 02:31:45,720
Speaker 8: TV rights and stuff like that. If we could just

2822
02:31:45,800 --> 02:31:50,520
Speaker 8: somehow convince our top athletes to come back at the

2823
02:31:50,600 --> 02:31:52,720
Speaker 8: back in the day when the HBCUs and stuff, well,

2824
02:31:52,720 --> 02:31:55,600
Speaker 8: we couldn't into the institutions to come back there and

2825
02:31:55,680 --> 02:31:59,560
Speaker 8: get those TV rights. We could bankrupt the system puriodly.

2826
02:32:00,080 --> 02:32:02,320
Speaker 8: What I'm saying as on the credit cards and stuff

2827
02:32:02,360 --> 02:32:04,400
Speaker 8: like that. Obamba was a great president, you know, he

2828
02:32:04,520 --> 02:32:06,720
Speaker 8: saved the institutions from the bushes and stuff like that,

2829
02:32:07,080 --> 02:32:10,680
Speaker 8: and he bailed out the banks, the UH, he bailed

2830
02:32:10,720 --> 02:32:14,720
Speaker 8: out the car industry, the insurance industries, in the healthcare industries.

2831
02:32:14,959 --> 02:32:17,520
Speaker 8: So you know, if we stopped purchasing these credit cards

2832
02:32:17,600 --> 02:32:19,840
Speaker 8: and come back to our institutions. You're talking about the

2833
02:32:19,840 --> 02:32:23,280
Speaker 8: Montgomery bus boycott. This definitely me being an analysts, it

2834
02:32:23,480 --> 02:32:24,720
Speaker 8: shows this will break it.

2835
02:32:25,920 --> 02:32:29,200
Speaker 11: No, you're absolutely correct. Wouldn't it be something? You know,

2836
02:32:29,280 --> 02:32:32,120
Speaker 11: one of my fantasies is that all black scholars in

2837
02:32:32,240 --> 02:32:36,600
Speaker 11: this country teaching at white institutions returns to hvc user

2838
02:32:36,800 --> 02:32:41,359
Speaker 11: come to HBCUs, and all black athletes like Walter Payton

2839
02:32:41,600 --> 02:32:46,360
Speaker 11: who graduated from Jackson State and Jerry Rice, all of

2840
02:32:46,480 --> 02:32:49,520
Speaker 11: these differents you know back in the day, like there.

2841
02:32:49,400 --> 02:32:51,120
Speaker 8: Are a lot of them at a lot of them.

2842
02:32:51,160 --> 02:32:52,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

2843
02:32:52,680 --> 02:32:55,520
Speaker 11: Wouldn't that be great if they came instead of playing

2844
02:32:55,560 --> 02:32:58,200
Speaker 11: for Ohio State and other bags like that, come to

2845
02:32:58,480 --> 02:33:02,520
Speaker 11: HBCUs exactly exactly, So we would to bring out like

2846
02:33:02,600 --> 02:33:03,800
Speaker 11: you said, I know, you've got a great go over

2847
02:33:03,840 --> 02:33:04,600
Speaker 11: grade get cut off.

2848
02:33:04,640 --> 02:33:08,080
Speaker 8: But our state, there's the state institutions, and you said

2849
02:33:08,080 --> 02:33:11,240
Speaker 8: they rely so much on uh legislation and stuff like

2850
02:33:11,320 --> 02:33:13,600
Speaker 8: that and who lights and stuff like that, and we

2851
02:33:13,680 --> 02:33:17,520
Speaker 8: could just bring those athletes back and those type academic

2852
02:33:17,600 --> 02:33:19,400
Speaker 8: scholars back and instead of going to M. I. T.

2853
02:33:19,600 --> 02:33:21,680
Speaker 8: Harvard like my son went to whatever, and we bring

2854
02:33:21,800 --> 02:33:25,640
Speaker 8: those great minds back back there. You look at the

2855
02:33:25,760 --> 02:33:29,400
Speaker 8: old films and pictures of the old Negro leagues and

2856
02:33:29,400 --> 02:33:31,280
Speaker 8: stuff like how we felt those stadiums and stuff like that.

2857
02:33:31,560 --> 02:33:34,480
Speaker 8: The Europeans knew that was a market, so they said, hey,

2858
02:33:34,520 --> 02:33:37,080
Speaker 8: we got into We're losing people Kentucky, all of them.

2859
02:33:37,280 --> 02:33:40,280
Speaker 8: That's that's integrate them into the Major League Baseball NFL.

2860
02:33:40,480 --> 02:33:43,640
Speaker 8: You know, Pritchet Power, the first black and stuff like that.

2861
02:33:44,040 --> 02:33:47,400
Speaker 8: We would bankrup them. Athletics is where it is. Entertainment

2862
02:33:47,440 --> 02:33:50,440
Speaker 8: is what we need to make sure more talent, parods

2863
02:33:50,480 --> 02:33:56,800
Speaker 8: and other entertainers or producers bring establish those institutions and organizations,

2864
02:33:56,879 --> 02:33:57,800
Speaker 8: and we could break them.

2865
02:33:58,959 --> 02:33:59,560
Speaker 3: I agree.

2866
02:34:03,400 --> 02:34:05,240
Speaker 1: But here let me tell you, fellows, this is what

2867
02:34:05,560 --> 02:34:08,320
Speaker 1: my dream is, that not just our athletes come back,

2868
02:34:08,640 --> 02:34:12,960
Speaker 1: but our sharp minds, our brilliant engineers and computer specialists

2869
02:34:13,000 --> 02:34:16,280
Speaker 1: and doctors and lawyers. Instead of working for them, you know,

2870
02:34:16,440 --> 02:34:18,200
Speaker 1: one day wake up and say we're gonna work for

2871
02:34:18,240 --> 02:34:20,440
Speaker 1: black folks. We're no longer going to work for you.

2872
02:34:20,520 --> 02:34:23,480
Speaker 1: We're coming off the old plantation. We're gonna We're gonna

2873
02:34:23,480 --> 02:34:26,160
Speaker 1: do for self like the other groups do. That's that's

2874
02:34:26,240 --> 02:34:28,600
Speaker 1: the dream I want to see. You know, fine with

2875
02:34:28,680 --> 02:34:32,160
Speaker 1: the athletes, but these sharp We have some brilliant brothers

2876
02:34:32,240 --> 02:34:34,720
Speaker 1: and sisters and you know this doctor Winwish, but they're

2877
02:34:34,720 --> 02:34:38,720
Speaker 1: not working for us. And if we could get them

2878
02:34:38,840 --> 02:34:42,120
Speaker 1: to just say, hey, I'm coming home. Even Clarence Thomas,

2879
02:34:42,160 --> 02:34:44,000
Speaker 1: wake up one day and all of the things that

2880
02:34:44,080 --> 02:34:47,480
Speaker 1: he's done against us, start voting in it correctly for us.

2881
02:34:47,879 --> 02:34:50,600
Speaker 1: I just mean every black person, even to adous folks,

2882
02:34:50,840 --> 02:34:52,680
Speaker 1: you know, wake up one day and say, listen, I'm

2883
02:34:52,680 --> 02:34:55,720
Speaker 1: gonna start supporting black people. Do you know what what

2884
02:34:56,000 --> 02:34:59,080
Speaker 1: what a change that would be on this planet? If

2885
02:34:59,160 --> 02:35:01,760
Speaker 1: that would happen, it would be.

2886
02:35:02,400 --> 02:35:05,600
Speaker 11: It would be the shot found you know, heard around

2887
02:35:05,680 --> 02:35:09,000
Speaker 11: the world, as they say, it would inspire us to

2888
02:35:09,160 --> 02:35:14,720
Speaker 11: be more pan africanistic. It would it would consolidate our wealth.

2889
02:35:15,320 --> 02:35:17,440
Speaker 3: Uh might just outline.

2890
02:35:17,680 --> 02:35:20,200
Speaker 11: It would do a variety of things. It would put

2891
02:35:20,240 --> 02:35:25,560
Speaker 11: our brains together so that we could collaborate more, you know, easier.

2892
02:35:26,560 --> 02:35:30,560
Speaker 11: You know, people like Cornell West and others should come home,

2893
02:35:31,040 --> 02:35:34,560
Speaker 11: you know, you know, come home to an HBCU. You know,

2894
02:35:34,640 --> 02:35:38,440
Speaker 11: I say what I want to in my classroom at

2895
02:35:38,520 --> 02:35:41,040
Speaker 11: Morgan State and make sure that my students get a

2896
02:35:41,160 --> 02:35:45,280
Speaker 11: heavy dose of black history and black psychology that I teach,

2897
02:35:45,840 --> 02:35:48,720
Speaker 11: and you know, and I don't have to worry about

2898
02:35:49,400 --> 02:35:52,240
Speaker 11: one of the students running to the dean and say,

2899
02:35:52,400 --> 02:35:55,000
Speaker 11: you know what doctor Wimbush said or whatever like that.

2900
02:35:55,240 --> 02:35:57,800
Speaker 3: There's a freedom at an HBCU.

2901
02:35:58,120 --> 02:36:01,720
Speaker 11: So, you know, brains and need to come back to

2902
02:36:01,840 --> 02:36:02,600
Speaker 11: these schools.

2903
02:36:02,800 --> 02:36:05,880
Speaker 1: Brains and broad got you eighteen at the top there.

2904
02:36:05,920 --> 02:36:09,039
Speaker 1: We gotta step aside. Thanks, Mike. We gotta takes Yeah,

2905
02:36:09,120 --> 02:36:10,560
Speaker 1: we have to step aside, Mike, we gotta take a

2906
02:36:10,640 --> 02:36:12,240
Speaker 1: quick break. We're running late here. I thank you for

2907
02:36:12,320 --> 02:36:15,160
Speaker 1: your call though. Eight hundred and four five zero seventy

2908
02:36:15,160 --> 02:36:16,960
Speaker 1: eight to seventy six got folks cross the country. I

2909
02:36:16,959 --> 02:36:18,959
Speaker 1: want to speak to doctor Wimbush. You two can join

2910
02:36:19,040 --> 02:36:21,000
Speaker 1: the list. Just reach out to us and we'll take it.

2911
02:36:21,120 --> 02:36:24,280
Speaker 1: Calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with

2912
02:36:24,400 --> 02:36:26,800
Speaker 1: us on this Monday morning, this first day of December.

2913
02:36:26,800 --> 02:36:28,920
Speaker 1: It's twenty two minutes after the top day. Our guest

2914
02:36:29,080 --> 02:36:31,680
Speaker 1: is doctor Ray Wimbush. He teaches at Morgan State University,

2915
02:36:32,040 --> 02:36:34,160
Speaker 1: and Brother Jay is calling from Chicago wants to speak

2916
02:36:34,200 --> 02:36:37,080
Speaker 1: with him, Brother Jays online four, Grand Rising, Brother j

2917
02:36:37,280 --> 02:36:44,320
Speaker 1: I'm with Dr Wimbush, is Jay Brother j Online four?

2918
02:36:45,720 --> 02:36:47,720
Speaker 1: All right, Kevin, let's move on to line five and

2919
02:36:47,800 --> 02:36:58,440
Speaker 1: let's go to Robert in Kansas City. Doctor Wimbush, are

2920
02:36:58,480 --> 02:36:59,080
Speaker 1: us still you're there?

2921
02:36:59,760 --> 02:37:00,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm here.

2922
02:37:01,120 --> 02:37:03,840
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not hearing from Brother Jail. Let's let's keep

2923
02:37:03,879 --> 02:37:06,520
Speaker 1: going down the line. Hopefully they're don't have a phone problem.

2924
02:37:06,760 --> 02:37:09,440
Speaker 1: Henry's online one calling from Baltimore. Let's try and Henry,

2925
02:37:12,000 --> 02:37:14,400
Speaker 1: all right, crap, who's this?

2926
02:37:15,480 --> 02:37:16,960
Speaker 17: This is brother Jay. Can you hear me?

2927
02:37:17,640 --> 02:37:18,800
Speaker 1: We can hear you now, go ahead.

2928
02:37:20,959 --> 02:37:22,680
Speaker 17: Okay, I was on the wrong line. I guess I

2929
02:37:22,800 --> 02:37:25,520
Speaker 17: was saying hello, But hey, thank you for taking my call,

2930
02:37:25,760 --> 02:37:28,640
Speaker 17: Grand Rising and uh my call is?

2931
02:37:29,200 --> 02:37:30,040
Speaker 8: My question is this?

2932
02:37:31,520 --> 02:37:34,640
Speaker 17: Can you talk a little bit about the devaluation of

2933
02:37:35,280 --> 02:37:36,760
Speaker 17: those professional degrees?

2934
02:37:37,640 --> 02:37:38,879
Speaker 18: Uh one?

2935
02:37:39,800 --> 02:37:45,119
Speaker 17: Where does that leave individuals with those professional degrees? As myself,

2936
02:37:45,360 --> 02:37:49,960
Speaker 17: I do have an ms W and UH two in

2937
02:37:50,120 --> 02:37:54,440
Speaker 17: the future. How does that look? Is this the end

2938
02:37:55,680 --> 02:38:00,560
Speaker 17: of individuals holding those degrees? Especially black women? We know

2939
02:38:00,640 --> 02:38:03,359
Speaker 17: a lot of black women have those most degrees.

2940
02:38:03,400 --> 02:38:04,040
Speaker 6: That was targeting.

2941
02:38:04,080 --> 02:38:07,400
Speaker 17: But yeah, if you could talk about that, I appreciate

2942
02:38:07,480 --> 02:38:10,800
Speaker 17: it greatly and thank you. I truly appreciate you guys.

2943
02:38:10,879 --> 02:38:11,120
Speaker 4: Thank you.

2944
02:38:12,480 --> 02:38:12,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2945
02:38:13,040 --> 02:38:16,879
Speaker 11: I mean there's been a devaluation of college in general

2946
02:38:17,520 --> 02:38:21,560
Speaker 11: under the Trump administration, not only in this one his

2947
02:38:21,920 --> 02:38:26,879
Speaker 11: administration now, but in the first one as well, he said,

2948
02:38:27,040 --> 02:38:29,840
Speaker 11: and you know, higher education people pay attention to this.

2949
02:38:30,040 --> 02:38:32,680
Speaker 11: He said that some of the money that goes to

2950
02:38:33,040 --> 02:38:36,520
Speaker 11: federal grants to places like Harvard ought to go into

2951
02:38:36,680 --> 02:38:42,640
Speaker 11: two year institutions, the community colleges. I have nothing to

2952
02:38:42,800 --> 02:38:47,240
Speaker 11: say bad about community colleges, but the research on most

2953
02:38:48,959 --> 02:38:55,920
Speaker 11: universities occur at you know, with federal funds. Community colleges

2954
02:38:56,000 --> 02:38:57,959
Speaker 11: are really, you know, kind.

2955
02:38:57,879 --> 02:39:02,959
Speaker 3: Of training grounds. And I think in general that there's

2956
02:39:03,040 --> 02:39:04,640
Speaker 3: this movement, you know.

2957
02:39:04,879 --> 02:39:07,960
Speaker 11: Musk has said it that in the future, people aren't

2958
02:39:08,000 --> 02:39:10,760
Speaker 11: going to be working and they don't have to decide

2959
02:39:11,400 --> 02:39:15,959
Speaker 11: what their leisure time is all about. And I think

2960
02:39:16,200 --> 02:39:20,480
Speaker 11: the robotics and people like Muz have this dream that

2961
02:39:20,680 --> 02:39:24,280
Speaker 11: the American worker and workers in general around the world

2962
02:39:24,440 --> 02:39:27,280
Speaker 11: will not be needed. So that's one of the reason

2963
02:39:27,360 --> 02:39:30,720
Speaker 11: why college education is being the value.

2964
02:39:30,840 --> 02:39:33,039
Speaker 3: Right now, much of.

2965
02:39:33,120 --> 02:39:36,760
Speaker 11: The people on the right have you know, spoke in

2966
02:39:37,080 --> 02:39:42,280
Speaker 11: disparaging ways about you know, colleges and it. I don't

2967
02:39:42,320 --> 02:39:47,240
Speaker 11: think it's any accident that Trump has attacked universities like

2968
02:39:47,360 --> 02:39:51,960
Speaker 11: Columbia and Harvard and so forth because he wants to

2969
02:39:52,080 --> 02:39:55,440
Speaker 11: demean them and bring them under control. Because that's where

2970
02:39:55,520 --> 02:39:59,520
Speaker 11: people not learn to think, but to think more broadly

2971
02:39:59,640 --> 02:40:03,120
Speaker 11: about a bigger world than what Trump lives in. So

2972
02:40:03,879 --> 02:40:06,720
Speaker 11: I think there's a devaluation of the degree. I think

2973
02:40:06,800 --> 02:40:10,680
Speaker 11: that educators have to learn how to bring down tuition

2974
02:40:11,640 --> 02:40:15,720
Speaker 11: cause because right now, you know, the cost of a

2975
02:40:15,879 --> 02:40:19,000
Speaker 11: higher education at a four year institution is almost it

2976
02:40:19,240 --> 02:40:24,039
Speaker 11: is prohibited. People forget that before Ronald Reagan became governor

2977
02:40:24,680 --> 02:40:29,959
Speaker 11: of California, the education, higher education in California was free.

2978
02:40:30,520 --> 02:40:32,119
Speaker 3: And when Bernie Sanders.

2979
02:40:31,800 --> 02:40:35,800
Speaker 11: Said let's do that again, people you know think it's

2980
02:40:35,840 --> 02:40:39,160
Speaker 11: a radical idea, and it is a radical not at all.

2981
02:40:40,480 --> 02:40:42,120
Speaker 1: Well, let me jump in and ask you this. I

2982
02:40:42,240 --> 02:40:44,040
Speaker 1: thank you, brother Jay. Let me ask you this question, though,

2983
02:40:44,520 --> 02:40:45,920
Speaker 1: doctor Wember She said, what are they going to do

2984
02:40:46,160 --> 02:40:48,240
Speaker 1: if all these folks they got increasing on a half

2985
02:40:48,360 --> 02:40:51,080
Speaker 1: jobs for them at must is trying to replace everybody

2986
02:40:51,120 --> 02:40:53,560
Speaker 1: with the robots. What's going to happen to the folks

2987
02:40:53,640 --> 02:40:57,080
Speaker 1: that that that, you know, start holding their diplomas and

2988
02:40:57,480 --> 02:40:59,680
Speaker 1: they no jobs? What are you going to do with them?

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Speaker 11: Well, you know, it's a good question, Carl, because I

2990
02:41:03,760 --> 02:41:07,840
Speaker 11: don't know. I mean, there's discussions of college campuses right

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02:41:08,040 --> 02:41:12,560
Speaker 11: now about whether or not there'll be an AI university

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02:41:13,040 --> 02:41:18,040
Speaker 11: that does not have professors because AI knows everything, and

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02:41:18,200 --> 02:41:21,480
Speaker 11: that you would have AI's geared towards majoring in English

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Speaker 11: and majoring in languages or biology or engineering. So I mean,

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Speaker 11: there's those discussions occur on university and you you know,

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02:41:33,720 --> 02:41:38,640
Speaker 11: we see that the work of hours, you know, weekly

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02:41:38,800 --> 02:41:43,160
Speaker 11: hours have been reduced because the unions over the past.

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Speaker 3: Century, you know, eighty hour week down to forty hours.

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Speaker 11: There's you know, discussion now about thirty five hour work.

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02:41:51,760 --> 02:41:53,800
Speaker 11: We've bet what is the end result?

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02:41:54,160 --> 02:41:56,200
Speaker 3: You know, how is that going to end?

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02:41:56,680 --> 02:41:59,680
Speaker 11: What if there is no jobs to go.

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Speaker 3: To because of robotics.

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Speaker 11: I mean, and I don't want to sound like I

3005
02:42:03,480 --> 02:42:06,720
Speaker 11: talked about science fiction, but it's a very real possibility

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Speaker 11: AI is replacing legal assistance right now because there's not

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Speaker 11: anybody at Morgan State or any other university that doesn't

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02:42:16,680 --> 02:42:21,240
Speaker 11: use AI, you know, I use it, you know, and

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02:42:21,600 --> 02:42:26,880
Speaker 11: it replaces It's like having an assistant that knows everything.

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02:42:27,720 --> 02:42:30,560
Speaker 11: And so I think that, you know, there has to

3011
02:42:30,640 --> 02:42:33,080
Speaker 11: be a you know, maybe you should get a futurist

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Speaker 11: on that talks about what happens when there's.

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02:42:36,440 --> 02:42:40,800
Speaker 3: No work left for human beings and it's all given

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Speaker 3: over to AI and robotics.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll all become useless eaters. And we know how

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Speaker 1: that ends. Twenty eight away from the top of the hour,

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Speaker 1: Roberts calling from Kansas City's online five Grand rising Robert

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Speaker 1: Dion with doctor Wimbush.

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Speaker 18: Yes, Sir Gray, rising as it relates to Venezuela rape,

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Speaker 18: Mister Winbush. If I'm a Venezuelan and I got one

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Speaker 18: hundred pounds of cocaine and one hundred pounds of cent

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02:43:07,959 --> 02:43:12,200
Speaker 18: in al, there's no way that I can get these

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02:43:12,360 --> 02:43:16,160
Speaker 18: drugs distributed onto the streets of America, Not unless I

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02:43:16,200 --> 02:43:18,680
Speaker 18: can get an American to buy these drugs for pennies

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Speaker 18: on the dollars and distribute these drugs on the streets

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Speaker 18: of America. But for some reason, doctor Wynn Bush, no

3027
02:43:26,360 --> 02:43:31,960
Speaker 18: Americans ever seem to get arrested in these altercations, and

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02:43:32,040 --> 02:43:34,640
Speaker 18: it reminds me of when and it reminds me of

3029
02:43:34,680 --> 02:43:38,440
Speaker 18: when Cash to Tail was talking about this this gambling

3030
02:43:38,480 --> 02:43:41,560
Speaker 18: probe where he posted the faces and the pictures of

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02:43:41,600 --> 02:43:44,720
Speaker 18: the black players, but not once did he ever post

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02:43:45,280 --> 02:43:48,080
Speaker 18: the pictures of the faces are the names of the

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Speaker 18: mafia office.

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Speaker 6: So what's going on with Venezuela.

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Speaker 11: Well, you know, I think it's oil, just like you

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02:43:55,680 --> 02:43:57,879
Speaker 11: know said earlier and then shows that. I think that's

3037
02:43:57,959 --> 02:44:01,200
Speaker 11: why there's these discussions of about, you know, let's do

3038
02:44:01,400 --> 02:44:05,280
Speaker 11: something to Nigeria, Let's do something to Venezuela, and let

3039
02:44:05,360 --> 02:44:10,360
Speaker 11: me strengthen my ties with Saudi. Cash Potato is a joke.

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Speaker 11: Of all the people in the administration, he and probably

3041
02:44:16,720 --> 02:44:21,160
Speaker 11: Hegstaph are the least qualified for the positions that they, uh,

3042
02:44:22,040 --> 02:44:26,080
Speaker 11: you know hold. And you can see the destruction of

3043
02:44:26,200 --> 02:44:28,400
Speaker 11: the FBI. I mean, some of this stuff, you know,

3044
02:44:28,480 --> 02:44:32,359
Speaker 11: what goes around turns around because you know Fred Hampson

3045
02:44:32,640 --> 02:44:37,040
Speaker 11: Hampton's assassination date is coming up in a just a

3046
02:44:37,120 --> 02:44:42,200
Speaker 11: few days, which the FBI helped Orchestry. But you know,

3047
02:44:43,480 --> 02:44:48,000
Speaker 11: you know, you've got to look at the administration that

3048
02:44:48,240 --> 02:44:53,080
Speaker 11: at its foundation is to make America white again and

3049
02:44:53,360 --> 02:44:59,240
Speaker 11: recruiting people of color like cash for Tail and Pete

3050
02:44:59,320 --> 02:45:06,199
Speaker 11: Hegstaff and that Christy Gnome and Bondie, all of these people,

3051
02:45:06,680 --> 02:45:11,000
Speaker 11: they are basically at the bottom of white supremacists, including

3052
02:45:11,120 --> 02:45:15,040
Speaker 11: their bars. So we have to analyze it this way.

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02:45:15,080 --> 02:45:17,800
Speaker 11: And I think sometimes I'm frustrated when I look at

3054
02:45:18,480 --> 02:45:22,760
Speaker 11: media right now when they will say things like without

3055
02:45:23,000 --> 02:45:27,040
Speaker 11: proof rather than saying that he lied again. So I

3056
02:45:27,160 --> 02:45:29,840
Speaker 11: think that we've got to analyze it through the lens

3057
02:45:30,320 --> 02:45:34,800
Speaker 11: of somebody who is aware of how white supremacy works,

3058
02:45:35,000 --> 02:45:36,480
Speaker 11: and many of us don't do that.

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Speaker 1: All right, twenty nine away from the top the Jeane

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02:45:40,240 --> 02:45:43,000
Speaker 1: so something actually's online? Sixty is coming from Pikesville in Maryland.

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Speaker 1: Grand Rising, Genir, question for doctor Wimbush, Yeah, Grand.

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Speaker 15: Rising, Guys, what's my question is rhetorical? Feel familiar with

3063
02:45:52,800 --> 02:45:55,119
Speaker 15: the book The Souls of Black First Folks?

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Speaker 8: W E. B. D.

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Speaker 11: Boys Oh, absolutely, absolutely.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so, sir.

3067
02:46:00,640 --> 02:46:03,600
Speaker 7: In chapter two is a chapter where W. E. D.

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02:46:03,720 --> 02:46:07,600
Speaker 15: Boyce explains whether HBCU is in the executive Orders that

3069
02:46:07,680 --> 02:46:12,400
Speaker 15: Abram Lincoln created after the Civil War to educate or,

3070
02:46:12,560 --> 02:46:15,360
Speaker 15: as H. R. Brown would say, to train black people.

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Speaker 6: So I mentioned h.

3072
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Speaker 7: Track Brown because you know he died uh beast week

3073
02:46:22,000 --> 02:46:26,200
Speaker 7: right right, And one of his keynote speaks speeches was

3074
02:46:26,879 --> 02:46:33,320
Speaker 7: the difference between education and training, and there is a difference,

3075
02:46:33,720 --> 02:46:35,560
Speaker 7: so you know, I just want to bring that up. Also,

3076
02:46:36,520 --> 02:46:38,039
Speaker 7: this is a as far as.

3077
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Speaker 15: AI is concerned.

3078
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Speaker 6: Do you do you think this is the second uh

3079
02:46:43,280 --> 02:46:44,320
Speaker 6: what was it called the.

3080
02:46:46,160 --> 02:46:47,200
Speaker 3: Industrial Revolution?

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Speaker 11: Well, you know, I think AI right now could potentially

3082
02:46:54,160 --> 02:46:57,360
Speaker 11: be the most dangerous thing that was ever intended because

3083
02:46:57,440 --> 02:47:00,240
Speaker 11: it tastes all knowledge and that's the only way to

3084
02:47:00,320 --> 02:47:03,560
Speaker 11: describe it. Everything that's on the internet, everything that we

3085
02:47:03,879 --> 02:47:09,680
Speaker 11: know about everything, and someone is probably going to invent

3086
02:47:09,800 --> 02:47:14,600
Speaker 11: if they're not already doing it. You know that will

3087
02:47:14,720 --> 02:47:18,280
Speaker 11: these machines become what they're called sinning it? You know

3088
02:47:18,480 --> 02:47:24,200
Speaker 11: that they understand AI, understand what it is a machine

3089
02:47:24,640 --> 02:47:28,280
Speaker 11: and whether or not, you know, human beings are necessary.

3090
02:47:28,400 --> 02:47:30,880
Speaker 11: And again, I know this sounds like a sci fi

3091
02:47:31,120 --> 02:47:36,520
Speaker 11: movie right now, but it's we debate on campuses and

3092
02:47:37,120 --> 02:47:40,040
Speaker 11: stuff like that. And the other thing that you mentioned

3093
02:47:40,080 --> 02:47:44,280
Speaker 11: earlier about the Souls of Black Folks Chapter three. The

3094
02:47:44,400 --> 02:47:48,360
Speaker 11: boys wrote in that book, which was must reading when

3095
02:47:48,400 --> 02:47:53,640
Speaker 11: I was teaching at Fists University. You know, the chapters

3096
02:47:53,800 --> 02:47:57,880
Speaker 11: entil are mister Booker, T. Washington and others. And you know,

3097
02:47:58,000 --> 02:48:01,680
Speaker 11: the great debate between the boys and Washington about what

3098
02:48:01,920 --> 02:48:07,520
Speaker 11: was the nature of you know, higher education for black people.

3099
02:48:07,680 --> 02:48:11,320
Speaker 11: The Boys obviously felt they should be trained in all

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02:48:11,480 --> 02:48:15,960
Speaker 11: aspects you know, so called liberal arts education, and you know,

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02:48:16,200 --> 02:48:20,039
Speaker 11: and Washington being that we should be, you know, put

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02:48:20,120 --> 02:48:22,320
Speaker 11: our bucket down. Where what did he say in the

3103
02:48:22,440 --> 02:48:26,680
Speaker 11: ninety sixth speech, you know, eighteen ninety six speech where

3104
02:48:26,720 --> 02:48:29,960
Speaker 11: he said, you know, put your bucket down and separate

3105
02:48:30,000 --> 02:48:32,160
Speaker 11: but equal and all of that. You know, that we

3106
02:48:32,240 --> 02:48:36,240
Speaker 11: should be trained to work in the workforce for white folks.

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02:48:36,360 --> 02:48:40,960
Speaker 11: I disagree with and have always disagreed with Washington said,

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02:48:41,040 --> 02:48:45,400
Speaker 11: although he did build an institution, which is also very important.

3109
02:48:45,520 --> 02:48:51,199
Speaker 11: So those debates still echo throughout higher education Black higher

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02:48:51,400 --> 02:48:53,039
Speaker 11: education in the United States.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you. The twenty six away from the Top.

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Speaker 1: Rick's calling ex wants to speak to doctor. She's calling

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02:49:00,600 --> 02:49:03,800
Speaker 1: from Montreal. He's online three grand rising. Rick here with

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Speaker 1: doctor Wimbush.

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Speaker 5: Greetings, greetings, see you both. Uh you know, I often

3116
02:49:11,640 --> 02:49:17,119
Speaker 5: look at this our situation, uh like we've missed.

3117
02:49:16,879 --> 02:49:17,560
Speaker 3: The bus.

3118
02:49:19,320 --> 02:49:23,879
Speaker 5: And so what do you do when you're expected form

3119
02:49:23,920 --> 02:49:28,040
Speaker 5: of transportation. You get to see its tail lights going

3120
02:49:28,120 --> 02:49:30,760
Speaker 5: down the road, and that was the last one for

3121
02:49:30,879 --> 02:49:35,280
Speaker 5: that day. You got two options. You can go back

3122
02:49:35,520 --> 02:49:39,320
Speaker 5: to home and try to make another plan, or you

3123
02:49:39,440 --> 02:49:42,520
Speaker 5: start walking to get to where it is you got

3124
02:49:42,640 --> 02:49:42,800
Speaker 5: to go.

3125
02:49:44,200 --> 02:49:45,560
Speaker 6: You know, back when.

3126
02:49:45,560 --> 02:49:52,400
Speaker 5: Elijah Muhammad, you said, uh, explain to us the necessity

3127
02:49:52,560 --> 02:49:57,080
Speaker 5: of us developing a nation within a nation, and some

3128
02:49:57,240 --> 02:50:03,039
Speaker 5: people some people accepted, many did not, and we end

3129
02:50:03,160 --> 02:50:07,080
Speaker 5: up in the very situation that he warned us would

3130
02:50:07,120 --> 02:50:12,920
Speaker 5: occur if we did not follow that path. We're like,

3131
02:50:13,080 --> 02:50:16,840
Speaker 5: we've missed that bus. Back when Missus Winbush was talking

3132
02:50:16,920 --> 02:50:20,760
Speaker 5: earlier about back in the twenties and thirties and forties,

3133
02:50:20,800 --> 02:50:27,920
Speaker 5: when we had galvanization among our people. We were dissatisfied then,

3134
02:50:28,760 --> 02:50:31,760
Speaker 5: as many of us don't seem to be nearly as

3135
02:50:32,000 --> 02:50:36,320
Speaker 5: Sasside nowadays. We just want to make money and we

3136
02:50:36,520 --> 02:50:39,920
Speaker 5: forget Carl, We forget that when you're on your in

3137
02:50:40,160 --> 02:50:43,039
Speaker 5: God forbid it comes to this point. But when you're

3138
02:50:43,080 --> 02:50:47,480
Speaker 5: on your dying bed, the last thing that you're gonna

3139
02:50:47,520 --> 02:50:52,200
Speaker 5: want is more money. What you will want is affection

3140
02:50:52,560 --> 02:50:56,320
Speaker 5: and love and tenderness. And possibly even healing.

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Speaker 6: We've missed that bus.

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Speaker 5: Man, you know, I look at it with that analogy

3143
02:51:01,879 --> 02:51:07,160
Speaker 5: that I've introduced with We've got two options. We can

3144
02:51:07,240 --> 02:51:10,680
Speaker 5: either develop ourselves into being really good slaves, because that's

3145
02:51:10,760 --> 02:51:14,960
Speaker 5: what America is. I don't care what is it you do.

3146
02:51:15,160 --> 02:51:18,640
Speaker 5: You're a slave. If you're a college, you're teaching their

3147
02:51:18,800 --> 02:51:21,680
Speaker 5: history and're not teaching our history. And I'm not specifically

3148
02:51:21,879 --> 02:51:25,160
Speaker 5: talking about mister Wimbush because I know him personally, remember

3149
02:51:25,280 --> 02:51:33,080
Speaker 5: running board missus Wimbus. But I do realize that we

3150
02:51:33,280 --> 02:51:38,360
Speaker 5: are at a very critical part of our existence. That's

3151
02:51:38,440 --> 02:51:42,760
Speaker 5: how traumatic this thing is when I look at TV

3152
02:51:43,000 --> 02:51:48,000
Speaker 5: or something and I see the expressions of people and

3153
02:51:48,160 --> 02:51:49,920
Speaker 5: the lack of.

3154
02:51:52,160 --> 02:51:52,280
Speaker 8: Right.

3155
02:51:53,440 --> 02:51:54,880
Speaker 1: We got a step aside, but I thank you for

3156
02:51:54,959 --> 02:51:57,800
Speaker 1: your call on Let's let doctor Wimbush, he says, we're

3157
02:51:57,800 --> 02:51:59,800
Speaker 1: at an inflection point. Doctor Wembush, We've got to make

3158
02:51:59,800 --> 02:52:02,640
Speaker 1: a t so I'll let you respond to Rick's question.

3159
02:52:02,800 --> 02:52:05,320
Speaker 1: Thank you Rick. From reaching out to us from Montreal family,

3160
02:52:05,360 --> 02:52:06,920
Speaker 1: you could do the same thing. You can hit us

3161
02:52:06,959 --> 02:52:09,640
Speaker 1: up at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight

3162
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Speaker 1: seventy six and we'll take a phone calls.

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Speaker 11: Next Black folk usually are the last people to adopt

3164
02:52:16,600 --> 02:52:19,240
Speaker 11: the technology, and then when we do adopt it, we

3165
02:52:19,400 --> 02:52:22,680
Speaker 11: go all out with it. And you can see this

3166
02:52:22,879 --> 02:52:26,360
Speaker 11: with I mean, you know earlier technology sins as the compact,

3167
02:52:26,480 --> 02:52:31,280
Speaker 11: this cassettes. We were not the first to adopt those things,

3168
02:52:31,320 --> 02:52:34,040
Speaker 11: but we used them once we did. The key thing

3169
02:52:34,160 --> 02:52:36,160
Speaker 11: now is to say, look, we need to be in

3170
02:52:36,280 --> 02:52:40,840
Speaker 11: the front of adoption and creation as well, not just

3171
02:52:41,000 --> 02:52:44,920
Speaker 11: adopting it, but creating some of that technology, which we

3172
02:52:45,200 --> 02:52:48,080
Speaker 11: have done in the past with a lot of inventions

3173
02:52:48,440 --> 02:52:51,680
Speaker 11: that black folk has done. So I think it's a

3174
02:52:51,840 --> 02:52:54,720
Speaker 11: daily work. I think that wherever you are, you have

3175
02:52:54,879 --> 02:52:59,000
Speaker 11: to use the technology. I'm trouble when I hear black folk,

3176
02:52:59,360 --> 02:53:02,280
Speaker 11: you know, say things like if they're older, will I

3177
02:53:02,440 --> 02:53:04,760
Speaker 11: just don't deal with any of that technology. I don't

3178
02:53:04,800 --> 02:53:07,720
Speaker 11: want to hear about AI, you know, just leave me

3179
02:53:07,800 --> 02:53:10,720
Speaker 11: alone about it. I'm trouble when I hear that. And

3180
02:53:10,840 --> 02:53:14,080
Speaker 11: I think that regardless of your age, and if you're black,

3181
02:53:14,200 --> 02:53:18,800
Speaker 11: you should be keeping up with technology, adopting it, using it,

3182
02:53:19,040 --> 02:53:19,960
Speaker 11: and eventing it.

3183
02:53:21,320 --> 02:53:25,360
Speaker 1: Gotcha. I agree totally. Dr Wimbush was just flating out

3184
02:53:25,400 --> 02:53:28,760
Speaker 1: of time and apolgisted a chance to call you. Yeah,

3185
02:53:28,800 --> 02:53:30,000
Speaker 1: it goes by real fast.

3186
02:53:30,160 --> 02:53:30,960
Speaker 3: That was sad.

3187
02:53:32,200 --> 02:53:35,320
Speaker 1: How go Are you availed to talk to people on campus?

3188
02:53:36,840 --> 02:53:39,080
Speaker 11: Yes, I am if they call me at four four

3189
02:53:39,240 --> 02:53:42,600
Speaker 11: three eight eight five forty eight hundred, that's four four

3190
02:53:42,720 --> 02:53:45,119
Speaker 11: three eight eighty five forty eight hundred.

3191
02:53:45,560 --> 02:53:45,680
Speaker 3: Uh.

3192
02:53:45,879 --> 02:53:49,640
Speaker 11: Several callers always called me after the show. You can

3193
02:53:49,720 --> 02:53:54,040
Speaker 11: also follow me on Facebook, ray Winbush. Just go to

3194
02:53:54,160 --> 02:53:57,080
Speaker 11: ray Winbush and follow me there. And I try to

3195
02:53:57,160 --> 02:53:58,800
Speaker 11: answer all of my email.

3196
02:54:00,160 --> 02:54:02,040
Speaker 1: All right, and thank you, thank you what you do

3197
02:54:02,160 --> 02:54:04,400
Speaker 1: for us. Thank you for all the information you shared

3198
02:54:04,400 --> 02:54:05,800
Speaker 1: with us this morning, Doctor Wimbush.

3199
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Speaker 11: Okay, thank you, keepboard, good work, take care.

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Speaker 1: Thanks doctor Wimbersch. That was doctor Ray wimbers from Morgan

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Speaker 1: Stea University. Family. And that's it for the day. Class

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Speaker 1: is dismissed. And stay strong, stay positive, please please stay healthy.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in

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Speaker 1: Baltimore on ten ten WLB and also in the DMV

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Speaker 1: on fourteen fifty WOL