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Speaker 1: It was a violent weekend yet again in Indianapolis over

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Speaker 1: the weekend. Are you surprised by this, I'm not.

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Speaker 2: Nobody is surprised by Yes, it is a daily occurrence.

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Speaker 1: So three men were injured in a shooting at Jovita

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Speaker 1: Ultra lounge in downtown Indianapolis, and a couple were taken

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Speaker 1: to the hospital by police. A third person arrived to

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Speaker 1: the hospital on his own. Plus there was some shooting

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Speaker 1: on the north side.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, total of five at least because there was the

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Speaker 2: three injured at ho Veto and then there are two juveniles,

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Speaker 2: one dead already, one critically injured.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so on the East side. Do you play gunshot

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Speaker 1: or firework where you live?

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Speaker 3: It's a boring game because it's always gunshots.

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Speaker 2: Actually, in the Irvington Facebook community facebook group, somebody posted

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Speaker 2: a celebration of dually and somebody was setting off fireworks

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Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, thank god, it's.

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Speaker 3: Not it's not gunfire.

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Speaker 1: It's an actual firework.

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Speaker 3: For once, it was actually a firework.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, more often than not, if you are within earshot,

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Speaker 2: it is gunfire.

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Speaker 1: So you know firsthand what this is like because your

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Speaker 1: property has been.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this has happened to me twice, once at my

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Speaker 2: personal home and once at one of the properties that

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Speaker 2: I own.

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Speaker 3: On New Year's Day.

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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty two, it was twelve o'clock in the afternoon

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Speaker 2: and a couple of knuckleheads were running around my neighborhood

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Speaker 2: trying to shoot at each other, but they shot everything

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Speaker 2: else but each other. They shot cars, they shot my

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Speaker 2: house a number of time, neighbor's house, all over the place,

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Speaker 2: running up and down the alley. And then recently something

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Speaker 2: that was reported by Fox fifty nine News, one of

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Speaker 2: the properties that I have owned and renovated and rent

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Speaker 2: out on the east side of Indianapolis just pepperd with

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Speaker 2: bullets more than forty bullets?

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Speaker 1: Are you kidding?

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Speaker 3: More than forty? Yeah? Wow, it's nuts.

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Speaker 1: I know that you were talking with Rob about that

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Speaker 1: when you've been co hosting in the past, and I'm curious,

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Speaker 1: where does that stand now?

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Speaker 3: Where does the property stand?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: I had to get the roof patched for fifteen hundred dollars,

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Speaker 2: which is cheaper than a nine thousand dollars total replacement.

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Speaker 2: The other thing that I was quoted, I had to

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Speaker 2: replace ten windows and five storm windows for a total

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Speaker 2: of one hundred dollars, and I also utilized the services

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Speaker 2: of Gilpin Glass on the east side on Washington Street.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead and give them a shout out if you

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Speaker 2: need some glass services as well. I still have yet

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Speaker 2: to repair the front door and the closet door and

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Speaker 2: the bedroom door, three separate doors. That's going to be

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Speaker 2: at least another five hundred dollars plus labor.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know it adds up. But we're we're

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Speaker 3: moving along.

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Speaker 1: Is your insurance going to help you out with this?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I called my insurance agent and he was unsure whether

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Speaker 2: my policy covered it or not. It's whether the criminal

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Speaker 2: attack can be construed as vandalism, because if they'd just

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Speaker 2: like thrown a rock or a brick through the window

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Speaker 2: or done some other destructive vandalizing damage, then yeah, that

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Speaker 2: would be that would be vandalism.

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Speaker 1: But shooting a gun.

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Speaker 2: Right, well, query whether the criminal activity falls under that umbrella.

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Speaker 2: And you know how insurance companies work. They don't want

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Speaker 2: to give you the payout, and even if they did,

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Speaker 2: my insurance rates would go up. So I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: whether it's worth it or not. I'm just gonna have

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Speaker 2: to and either way, whether they cover it or don't

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Speaker 2: cover it. I still have to pay for the services

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Speaker 2: up front in the short term.

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Speaker 1: Well, Joe hogg Set put out a statement about the

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Speaker 1: violence over the weekend. I'm sure it made you feel better.

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Speaker 1: He said, Today, our community is once again dealing with

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Speaker 1: the violent fallout of an irresponsible bar owner. This is unacceptable.

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Speaker 1: We know that when guns and alcohol mixed, the consequences

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Speaker 1: can be tragic, so we knew somebody was going to

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Speaker 1: get the blame for this ethan And it looks like

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Speaker 1: the mayor of Indianapolis is now blaming the bar.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really puzzling. He also offered another statement. This

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Speaker 2: is posted on the Fox fifty nine website, where he said,

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Speaker 2: I am deeply frustrated and angry that once again, violence

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Speaker 2: has occurred inside a downtown bar.

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Speaker 3: I have serious.

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Speaker 2: Questions about how armed individuals were able to get inside

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Speaker 2: and pass their security guards. Does Joe hawk Set not

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Speaker 2: realize there's such a thing as concealed carry me? Right?

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Speaker 2: Are you padding down every single person that goes through

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Speaker 2: the bar? Are bar owners expected to have metal detectors

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Speaker 2: and security wands?

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Speaker 1: Now that's an expensive proposition, madam. If they want to

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Speaker 1: stay in business.

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Speaker 3: That is absolutely expensive.

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Speaker 2: It's just funny that Joe hawk Sett is trying to

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Speaker 2: pawn off responsibility when really it's the lack of prosecution

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Speaker 2: in Indianapolis that's to blame.

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Speaker 3: We've seen this.

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Speaker 2: Develop over the course of Joe hogg Sett's entire administration,

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Speaker 2: since he was elected in twenty fifteen and took office

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Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen. I've lived in downtown Indianapolis for the

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Speaker 2: past ten years, and it was not Sunshine and Roses

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Speaker 2: back in twenty fifteen either. Indianapolis has always had problems,

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Speaker 2: but my gosh, what I wouldn't give to have the

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Speaker 2: problems of ten years ago compared to the problems of

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Speaker 2: today under Joe hog Set's administration. And we've seen specific

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Speaker 2: evidence of this being a prosecutorial issue. Remember that nutcase

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Speaker 2: I think it was last year or two years ago

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Speaker 2: where he set the Indigo bus on fire and cost

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Speaker 2: taxpayers at least another one point five million dollars of

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Speaker 2: damages that they have to replace to keep up this

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Speaker 2: crappy bus service going. But that aside, he told officers

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Speaker 2: at the scene that he had to get out of

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Speaker 2: jail free card they could arrest him and he'd be

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Speaker 2: on the streets again, and criminal research has proven this out.

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Speaker 2: If you can connect certitude of punishment to action, then

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Speaker 2: it oftentimes prevents crime. But it's the fact that they

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Speaker 2: know they'll be treated with kid gloves that compels these

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Speaker 2: criminals to act recklessly in our city borders.

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Speaker 1: So the consequences just aren't there in their eyes. Yep,

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Speaker 1: they feel like it doesn't matter. I'll be out again.

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Speaker 2: Indy reporter let me pull this up on the Twitter feed,

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Speaker 2: specifically pointed to. Of course, we've mentioned Mark Stoner a

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Speaker 2: number of times. Many people remember his not guilty verdict

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Speaker 2: for Dasha Lacey, who stood accused of smothering her infant

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Speaker 2: to death while she was high on meth. The toxicology

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Speaker 2: bore that out Or Toddler testified against her, She confessed

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Speaker 2: to murder, and Mark Stoner of course declared her not

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Speaker 2: guilty because he felt that the prosecutor had overcharged. And

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Speaker 2: there was another violent offender who got caught in criminal

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Speaker 2: activity with a firearm instead, dismissed possession of an altered firearm,

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Speaker 2: dismissed criminal recklessness committed with a deadly weapon, dismissed intimidation,

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Speaker 2: threat to commit a forcible felony dismissed pointing a firearm

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Speaker 2: at another. When people talk about gun crimes, those are

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Speaker 2: the crimes. These are already illegal and prosecut prosecutable crimes.

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Speaker 2: And Mark Stoner just dismissed the charges. So if you

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Speaker 2: are not going to prosecute these crimes, then of course

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Speaker 2: you're going to have repeat offenders.

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Speaker 3: This is not difficult to understand.

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Speaker 2: But Democrats are intent on sowing the seeds of chaos

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Speaker 2: in the cities because, and this is something that conspiracy

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Speaker 2: Carl and I have talked about a number of times.

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Speaker 2: You must first destroy the society in order to remake

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Speaker 2: the society in your Marxist vision.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So Chris Ballard, he put out a statement the chief.

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Speaker 1: He said he was deeply frustrated and angry that once

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Speaker 1: again violence has occurred inside a downtown bar. So you

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Speaker 1: know what is the solution here? You said that you've

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Speaker 1: been in Indianapolis for a decade now and you definitely

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Speaker 1: saw a turn after Ballard left office.

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Speaker 2: Yes, when Joe hawk Sett was elected, Indianapolis has gone

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Speaker 2: down the tubes.

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Speaker 1: And I'd like to think that you could do the

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Speaker 1: broken window theory here, but maybe it's more than that.

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Speaker 1: It goes deeper.

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Speaker 2: I think there's also, of course, a cultural conversation, because

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Speaker 2: I think society was much more open to conversation and

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Speaker 2: working things. I mean, like, look, if you're going to

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Speaker 2: do it out with somebody, do take care of it.

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Speaker 2: In a fist fight. You do not need to be

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Speaker 2: breaking out the firearms. But that is not the culture

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Speaker 2: we live with anymore. And how you remake a culture,

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Speaker 2: how you fix those societal woes, it's complex issue.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so the chief of police, he said, the IMPD

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Speaker 1: is going to continue to do their part to keep

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis safe, but bar owners must take responsibility for what

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Speaker 1: happens inside their bars. The bar owners aren't responsible for

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Speaker 1: passing the laws though.

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Speaker 2: Well, the bar owners also aren't responsible for how people

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Speaker 2: are acting. I mean, if they're being disruptive, of course,

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Speaker 2: they can kick them out of their establishment. But beyond that,

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Speaker 2: bar owners are not law enforcement. They can't control the citizens.

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Speaker 1: He went on to say that he'll be meeting with

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Speaker 1: the Excise Superintendent and working with lawmakers to strengthen laws.

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Speaker 1: But I guess we're saying that the peace tens.

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Speaker 3: I mean, are they work?

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Speaker 2: Are they accusing hoo Veto of overserving because that's the

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Speaker 2: only way that I can am at or construe bar

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Speaker 2: ownership as complicity and commission of a crime.

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Speaker 1: Somebody had to take the blame, right right, Yeah, but

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Speaker 3: Not the mayor obviously clearly