1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: So we always hear how great Indiana is for business, 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: but a friend of our show says that we may 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: not be as great as we are led to believe. 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, Nikki Kelly from the Indiana Capitol Chronicle put out 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 2: an opinion piece and it says, is Indiana's business climate 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: losing traction and in twenty twenty five, Indiana drop from 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 2: fifth to twelfth place in area development. 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: Now, Nick, you'll be with us on Thursday, so we'll 9 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: get into this with her a little bit more. But 10 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: what's fascinating to me is so this article talks about 11 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: these different mayors and they're talking about encounters that they 12 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: have and these developers they work with. I don't think 13 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: being a good state for economic development. I don't like 14 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 1: I don't think just simply giving something to someone makes 15 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: you a good state, because you're taking it from someone else. 16 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 2: Right, So it's not a flex really, and. 17 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: So much of what we've done in and the idc 18 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: Audit has proven this. Now you can't really get any 19 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: Republicans to comment on that. By the way, isn't it 20 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 1: wild that that Braun becomes Johnny tough guy on Mark Sanchez, 21 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: but on the iedc Audit showing hundreds of millions of 22 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: dollars and what essentially is waste, fraud and abuse. Just really, 23 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: we're moving on from that. 24 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to put processes in place, and nothing 25 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 2: to see here. We're done with this. 26 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: He's a real bad ass on on Ryan Meures and 27 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: the Mark Sanchez stuff. And by the way, he was 28 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: a wrong bad ass basically. I mean, you know, he's 29 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: right about the condition of the city, but let's face it, 30 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: he was trying to score points off the Mark Sanchez 31 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: thing and he looked he ended up playing the fool, 32 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: but not We're not any nothing, certainly in comparison to 33 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: that on this IDC. 34 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: Sup. Do you think part of that is because Braun 35 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: is saying, you know, well that was before my time, 36 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 2: so now I know where we were. Now we're going 37 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: to fix it to move forward. 38 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: No, I think it's because the money that has flowed 39 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: in and out touches so many of these politicians. It's 40 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: the same reason they won't touch Diego Morales, the Secretary 41 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: of State, when you look at his donations, when you 42 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 1: look at who's funding his campaigns, a lot of that 43 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: money touches all these other high profile politicians and One, 44 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: they're not going to choke off the money to themselves, 45 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: which is what would happen if they came out against it. 46 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: And two they're probably very worried that if investigations were 47 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: done or things came out how it would make them look. 48 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: So they're not gonna they're not going to wade into that. 49 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: And it's the same thing here. Look at where this 50 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: money was going, look at who was benefiting, and then 51 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: if you look at how connected those people are into 52 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: the Indiana political scene, certainly the Indianapolis political scene, in 53 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: many cases, he wants this, he being Braun, wants this 54 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: to simply go away. He wants you to believe that 55 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: he's done something when in reality it's mostly going to 56 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: be business as usual. And the answer here is so simple, 57 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: which is, if you just create a climate that's beneficial 58 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: for everyone, then people will want to come here. But 59 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: they're not doing that. What they're creating, the politicians in 60 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: India and the Republicans are creating is a climate that 61 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: is not beneficial to you or your tax burden as 62 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: an individual has never been higher when you take all 63 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: the taxes and put them together. And what they do 64 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: then is they take that money and they give it 65 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: to their friends and these mega corporations and these big businesses, 66 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: and then they throw up these press releases and these 67 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: parades for themselves, going, look at what a cool place 68 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: we're going to come to business. No, you just took 69 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: money from somebody else and gave it to another person, 70 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: and of course they're going to come here if you 71 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: give them free stuff. That doesn't make you noble or altruistic. 72 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: It just makes you a thief. 73 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 2: The Noblesville mayor, Chris Jensen, he said that the state 74 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 2: needs to unify its message and be bold, visionary and transformational, 75 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: and the Crawfordsville mayor said, we used to be seen 76 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 2: as rock stars. Now all we hear is eh, we 77 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: don't know the eh. 78 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: Well, he's about a lack of a vision, But you 79 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: didn't have a vision under Holcombe either, other than if 80 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: you're microny and my friend, right, But that doesn't benefit people. 81 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: Look at these these communities and how they've quote unquote 82 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: grown Noblesville. I worked up there for a couple of 83 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: years in the mid two thousands. Very charming, nice place, 84 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 1: quaint downtown, lots of farmland, lots of places you know 85 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: you could go get lost in the woods and hiking 86 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: and all these experiences. And now look at Noblesville, the 87 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: Soviet block style apartments right next to the downtown. The growth. 88 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: I mean, how many emails have we gotten from people saying, Hey, 89 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: I'm a nobles a lifer and I've had to leave. 90 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: This is not the place they grew up. And you're 91 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: seeing that in all of these Westfield Fishers, all of 92 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: these all of these places, the growth has not been 93 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: good growth. It's a lot of stuff. But if the 94 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: stuff doesn't better the lives of the people or or 95 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: release the burden, the financial burden to the people who've 96 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: been there, what's the point of the growth. And as 97 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: it relates to the state of Indiana, our quote unquote 98 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: economic climate has been a climate that put passes the 99 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: burden back onto regular people and it gives hundreds of 100 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: millions of dollars or billions of dollars over time to 101 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: these mega corporations. 102 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 2: So according to this article, Nikki Kelly is saying that 103 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 2: a lot of this resistance is coming from energy related 104 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: development and utility costs. 105 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: By the way, one of the things that is fascinated 106 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 1: that came out of that iedc Audit is how much 107 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: money these energy companies put, especially behind the foundation. Why 108 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: because the utilities or the big winners anytime these developments 109 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: a go in, because they would supply the power to 110 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: these developments. 111 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 2: So yeah, they were giving a lot of money to 112 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 2: the IEDC.