1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: Line from Vaal, Heartland and the Crossroads of America. 2 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz. 3 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 3: Today the Epstein files. 4 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 4: More than five hundred attorneys and reviewers spent thousands of 5 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 4: hours painstakingly reviewing millions of pages to comply with Congress's law. 6 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 4: We've released more than three million pages, including one hundred 7 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 4: and eighty thousand images, all to the public while doing 8 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 4: our very best in the time frame allotted by the 9 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 4: legislation to protect victims. And if you brought us a 10 00:00:55,320 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 4: victim's name that was inadvertently released, we immediately redacted it. 11 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 4: All members of Congress, as you know, are invited to 12 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 4: visit DOJ to see for yourselves. I want to take 13 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 4: a moment to acknowledge the Epstein survivors who are here today. 14 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 4: I'm a career prosecutor, and despite what the ranking member said, 15 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 4: I have spent my entire career fighting for victims and 16 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 4: I will continue to do so. I am deeply sorry 17 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 4: for what any victim, any victim, has been through, especially 18 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 4: as a result of that monster. 19 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: Now I think that she truly feels that way. I 20 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: don't think that she's saying it. This is the Attorney General, 21 00:01:54,480 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: Pam Bondy for the sake of saying it, think that 22 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: after this opening statement, everything for her. 23 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 5: Fell apart. 24 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you, 25 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: And I should say that the same thing is true 26 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: regarding the Democrats that when you get to the actual 27 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: hearing that took place in front of the House Judiciary 28 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: hearing that took place today, I was just saying it 29 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: took place front of the House Judiciary. It's just called 30 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: what it is, the House Judiciary hearing. It just got 31 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: into the silly season. Everything was an attack. Everything was 32 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: a screaming match. Everything was You're a terrible No, you're 33 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: a terrible No, you're a monster. 34 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 2: No, you did this? Oh your mother. I mean, it's 35 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 2: just this is Pam Bondy and Representative ted Lew. 36 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 6: Prince Andrew Donald Trump a tender various parties with Jeffrey Epstein. 37 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 6: I want to know whether any underage rules at that 38 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,239 Speaker 6: party or at any party that Trump attended with Jeffrey Epstein. 39 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 4: This is so ridiculous and that they are trying to 40 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 4: deflect from all the great things Donald Trump has done. 41 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 4: There is no evidence that Donald Trump has committed a crime. 42 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 4: Everyone knows that this has been the most transparent presidency. 43 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 4: He's the one five he got your answer, legislation. 44 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 6: This is time belongs to the gentleman from California. 45 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 2: If you're to be the attorney general, you have to 46 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: do it much better than that. We get it. The 47 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 2: American left does not care. 48 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: At all at all or in any way about what 49 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: happens to these girls. They only care about how they 50 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: can go after Trump. 51 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: We get it. 52 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: We see them, and that's what you have to be telling. 53 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: That's the story that you have to present. Look at 54 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: who these people are not Pam Bondy. Pam Bondy can't 55 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: figure out how to keep enough composure to be able 56 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: to provide the story as is. This was Pam Bondy. 57 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: I forget who asked this question. She's asked about how 58 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: come nobody who is a client of Epstein has been indicted? 59 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 2: That was the question. 60 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 4: Dao, the doo right now is over. The dow is 61 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 4: over fifty thousand dollars. I don't know why you're laughing. 62 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 4: You're a great stock trader. As I hear raskin, the 63 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 4: doo is over fifty thousand right now. The S and 64 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 4: P had almost thousand, and the nasdacs smashing records. Americans 65 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 4: four oh one k's and retirement savings are booming. That's 66 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 4: what we should be talking about. We should be talking 67 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 4: about making Americans safe. We should be talking about what 68 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 4: does a dal have to do with anything? 69 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 2: That's what they just ask. 70 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 4: Are you kidding? 71 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 7: Hum? 72 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 2: Stop thinking that she's good at this. 73 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: Stop thinking that Democrats have any argument that involves actually 74 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: caring about kids who were abused and these adult survivors today, 75 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: and how we find the people who engage in this 76 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: abuse and actually get them arrested. 77 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: It's just out of control. 78 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: If you ask Tony how you describe how she sounds, 79 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: she sounds like a teenage girl who's upset she didn't 80 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: get tickets to see Taylor Swift. Tony, that's sexist. Honestly, 81 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: kiss off, don't care. 82 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: That's how she sounds. 83 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: She almost said the dow was up over fifty thousand dollars. 84 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: That is someone who is flustered. That is not somebody 85 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: who is in control of any argument. You show up 86 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: in front of the House judic share a committee and she. 87 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: And you're ill prepared. 88 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: I do not believe that she's rightly upset, or maybe 89 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: said differently. Let's say she is rightly upset, What does 90 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: that matter to me? Handle yourself? You're not handling yourself. 91 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 2: And it's just a mess. And there were moments in 92 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 2: the opening, and I'll share the opening. 93 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: Coming up, where I thought she hit something wrong, and 94 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: then she hit something beautifully. 95 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 2: It was composed, it was focused. 96 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: It was like, yes, that's the way it works. But 97 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: I don't want this to be all about Pam Bondy. 98 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: You think these Democrats actually care? I don't think these 99 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: democrats care at all or in any way. It is 100 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: how do I attack Trump? How can I more attack Trump? 101 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 2: Every day? Let us attack Trump. 102 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: We should be about everybody involved in the Epstein files 103 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: who was actually connected to engaging in violence and attacks 104 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: and being a sexual predator towards children. That's it, that's it, 105 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: That's what we should be connected to. That's what we 106 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: should be focused on, regardless of political party, regardless of 107 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: last name, regardless of status, regardless of money. The end, 108 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: this all Trump all the time. Thing says Democrats don't 109 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: care about children being abused, And I want to make 110 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: sure I'm clear about this. Democrats don't give a damn 111 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: about children being abused. I've said this about representative of 112 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: Cocsio Cortez. Trump is president the first term. There she 113 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: is at the border. She's wearing all white. She's there 114 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: by a fence and she's crying. The fence is nowhere 115 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: near the border. You could walk right around the fence. 116 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: There were no children in the area. It was a 117 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: stage photo op from a staged person. The Kami loving 118 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: Alexandria A Cassio Cortez. 119 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: Oh please, do you think I care what she says 120 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 2: about me? 121 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: Do you have any more dresses that you can borrow 122 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: from people to go to met galas where you didn't 123 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: buy the tickets and you were getting influenced? 124 00:08:55,880 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: We see you, see you. 125 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: Did you spend any time fixing your abuela's apartments? 126 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: Just curious, curious if you cared at all about how 127 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 2: she was dealing with things. Not a fan, not a fan. 128 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: She doesn't care about children. She goes and takes pictures 129 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: when Trump. 130 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 2: Is in office. 131 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 1: When Biden's off in office, she doesn't take any pictures. 132 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: So therefore it was a photo op. I have said 133 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: it before, I'll set it again. I'll say it now. 134 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 1: Alexandria A Cassi Cortez does not give a damn about 135 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: black or brown children. She doesn't care. She doesn't care now, 136 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: she never cared before. She isn't gonna care in my 137 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: view in the future. She doesn't care what happens to 138 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: brown children. Alexandria A Cassi Cortez doesn't care about anything 139 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: except what kind of play she can make for the 140 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: press to get her a couple more likes and a 141 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: couple more donations the end. This brings us to Howard Lutnick, 142 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: the Commerce Secretary, who admitted. 143 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 2: In his testimony yesterday that he. 144 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: Visited Jeffrey Epstein on his private islands in twenty twelve. 145 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: Now to understand Howard Lutnick and Canter Fitzgerald, where he 146 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: comes from in the money and what happened September eleventh 147 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: where his office was murdered. 148 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 2: But he wasn't there and he lived. 149 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: It's an insane story, but it has to be understood 150 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: that Jeffrey Epstein had a lot of connections with a 151 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: lot of people all over the place. After Jeffrey Epstein 152 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: was released from prison in Florida, he was there in 153 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: his New York townhouse at a dinner that was attended 154 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 1: by If I have it right, in just some of 155 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: the names, George Stephanopp. Listen to Chelsea Handler. He had friends, 156 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: he had relationships, he was seeing as this huge money 157 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: guy and all this philanthropic effort. It doesn't mean that 158 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: any of those people knew what he was doing. 159 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 2: Got to keep that in mind. 160 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: But he was already in jail for some really salacious 161 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: stuff and you were still hanging out with him. 162 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 2: And that's pretty weird. Howard Lutnick made the claim over 163 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 2: the years that. 164 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: He didn't have any personal relationship with him. Lutnick said 165 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 1: that he had searched his name through the files released 166 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: by the Justice Department, and among the millions of pages 167 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: found about ten emails connecting him with Epstein over a 168 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: fourteen year period, and he said, I didn't look through 169 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: the documents with any fair whatsoever because I know my 170 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: wife knows that I've done absolutely nothing wrong in any 171 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: possible regard. And he wrote and he stated, I did 172 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: not have any personal relationship with him. I'm sorry, I 173 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: did not have any relationship with him. I barely had 174 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: anything to do with that person. Okay, question mark, Okay, 175 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: So that's what Lutnick said, Senator Van Holland, who I 176 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: find it terrible from Maryland. Senator Appropriations Committee asked if 177 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 1: Lutnick would share his own personal records related to Epstein. 178 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: And Lutnick said, yes, I would do that. I would 179 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 2: absolutely do that. 180 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 1: And then he was asked by Chris van Holland about this, 181 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: what do you want to call it? This meeting, this 182 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: chance encounter, this no, this well arranged meeting on Epstein's islands. 183 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 8: I think you understand the root of concern here. It's 184 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 8: the way you described very emphatically your first encounter with 185 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 8: him in his apartment, said you were disgusted, would never 186 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 8: have any contact with him again. Did you in fact 187 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 8: make the visit to Jeffrey Epstein's private island. 188 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 7: I did have lunch with him as I was on 189 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 7: a boat going across on a family vacation. My wife 190 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 7: was with me, as were my four children and nannies. 191 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 5: I had another couple. 192 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 7: They were there as well with their children, and we 193 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 7: had lunch on the island, that is true, for an hour, 194 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 7: and we left with all of my children, with my 195 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 7: nannies and my wife all together. 196 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 5: We were on family vacation. 197 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 7: We were not a part to suggest there was anything 198 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 7: untoared about that in twenty twelve. 199 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 5: I don't recall why we did. 200 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: It, but Secretary again, I want to say for the 201 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: record that there should be no accusation of anything untowd. 202 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 2: The issue here is you were there. The issue is 203 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 2: a timeline issue. 204 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: Of when you were not engaged with him, claiming you 205 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: were not engaged with him, claiming you didn't have connections 206 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: to him, but on a family vacation you stopped by. 207 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: Now again I brought up Canter Fitzgerald for a reason. 208 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: The money is massive. He was either his yacht or 209 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: they chartered a yacht. 210 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 2: He's there with the family. 211 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: Of course there's Nanny's and they docked up and they 212 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: had some conforters together. Were you already telling people that 213 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: you didn't want anything to do with him while you 214 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: stopped by. You didn't want to have any public relationship 215 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: with him, but you want to make sure or he 216 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: adds some connection to him just in case this Howard 217 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: Lutnik may not like it, but this absolutely goes to 218 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: a conversation of character, and it goes to the kind 219 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: of thing where it is certainly possible and I'm willing 220 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: to bet money probable that you didn't engage in anything 221 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: that we're discussing here the abuse, the sexual abuse of children. 222 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 2: I'm willing to say that out loud. I don't think 223 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 2: he did that in the slightest, But. 224 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: Were you telling people you had nothing to do with 225 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: him while you went to go see him for lunch? 226 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 2: You stopped. There are times where we're on a family vacation. 227 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: My wife won't let us to pull over to use 228 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: the bathroom because she wants to make the extra thirty miles. 229 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 2: You stopped the yacht. Maybe you had more of a 230 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 2: relationship than you're saying. 231 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: Certainly, it's an argument that people can make, and I 232 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: have absolutely no idea at this moment if he is 233 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: going to survive. 234 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 2: In the Trump administration. Man, is it a bad look, 235 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 2: a very bad look, based on his own words. I'm 236 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 2: Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today.