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Speaker 1: And Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your Tuesday with us.

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Speaker 1: Today we're going to celebrate our sisters as part of

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Speaker 1: Women's History Month. Later, a singer, Candy State And who

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Speaker 1: will explain her journey or from R and B Superstar

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Speaker 1: to Gospel Icon. But before Candy, activists Attorney and Kitchie

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Speaker 1: Taifi will share insights from her ladies book Black Power,

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Speaker 1: Black Lawyer. But before we hear from Attorney Taifa, Black

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Speaker 1: Women for Positive Changes, doctor Stephanie Meyers, who lead a

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Speaker 1: panel discussion on the group's non violence program, and to

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Speaker 1: get us started the moves PAM Africa will update us.

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Speaker 1: I'm am Abu Jamal, but first let's get Kevin to

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Speaker 1: reopen these classroom doors. Grand Rising, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Grand Rising, indeed call Nelson Liven and Living Color.

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Speaker 2: I survived the Storm of March. It's today's the seventeenth

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Speaker 2: of March, and some people call it Saint Patrick's Day.

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Speaker 2: We won't get into that necessarily, but you know, are

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Speaker 2: you wearing your green?

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Speaker 1: Oh? No? But what I'll be doing to be watching

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Speaker 1: to see the brothers and sisters who will wear in green.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if they were red, green and black anytime

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Speaker 1: other but that's another conversation.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I see, yeah, right right, But you know, the

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Speaker 2: color of the day may be green. Some people look

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Speaker 2: really good and green, so you know, let's say get

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Speaker 2: it out.

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Speaker 1: If you Yeah. Also, was still addicted to white. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're still addicted to white, some of us. So we'll

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Speaker 1: see that. You'll see them in the streets and on

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Speaker 1: the TV and as you go around today dressed in green.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, that's another story though, Kevin. What's going out in.

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Speaker 3: The world another time?

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, so much for the focused block. Look, man,

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Speaker 2: a lot is going on. I mean, like I said,

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Speaker 2: the storm was severe yesterday in many areas, and the

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Speaker 2: Maryland Governor Wes Moore mobilized state agencies ahead of that storm,

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Speaker 2: and Baltimore City saw some localized street flooding, including at

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Speaker 2: the end of the Thames Street in Fell's Point, the

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Speaker 2: high tides, strong winds threatening the harbor in Canton and.

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Speaker 3: It's it was really wild. I must say.

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Speaker 2: The rain was coming down in sheets yesterday and winds

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Speaker 3: So I think things are going to be a little

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Speaker 3: better today.

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Speaker 2: Even though along with that storm brought a lot of

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Speaker 3: So prepare yourself today.

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Speaker 1: All right. What else is happening?

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Speaker 2: Well in other news, I'm glad you asked that question.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to organize so that it all makes sense,

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Speaker 3: But the island wide blackout.

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Speaker 2: Hits Cuba as it struggles with deepening energy crisis. The

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Speaker 2: officials in Cuba reported that blackout yesterday in the country

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Speaker 2: crisis deepens and its power grid continues to crumble. The

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Speaker 2: to restoring power. It must be done gradually to avoid setbags.

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Speaker 2: As a quote, he also said because systems, when very weak,

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Speaker 3: Oil to Cube. What are your thoughts there.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, what they've done is travel with the

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Speaker 2: The man at the government for what not standing up

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Speaker 1: Is that what you said, Well, if not having provisions

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Speaker 1: They tell them this says, it's either US of Cuba.

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Speaker 1: Make it, make your choice. So a lot of those

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Speaker 2: Well, Donald Trump said, uh, He'll have the honor of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's that's what they do. Also in Zambia

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Speaker 1: They have a HIV problem in Zambia and they you know,

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Speaker 1: we need access to your minerals. So if you want

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Speaker 2: Well, meanwhile, the Supreme Court is gonna hear expedited arguments

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Speaker 2: who were granted temporary protected status by President Obama, President Biden,

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Speaker 2: people from thirteen countries, including Mayan, mar Nepaul, Honduras, Nicaragua, Afghanistan, Cameroon, Yemen, Somalia, Ethiopia, Sasada,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're getting to work out as if he doesn't

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Speaker 1: it brings all these gas prices down, you know, figure

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Speaker 1: out the war with Iran. What's ther endgame? You know,

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Speaker 1: I had all this stuff to the side.

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Speaker 2: Instead of starting vice with everybody else in the world. Right,

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Speaker 2: so look in International Women's Month History today, my subject

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Speaker 2: is Josephine Saint Pierre Refin, a Black American leader from

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Speaker 2: it is. On the seventeenth of March, thank you for

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Speaker 1: By all righty, thank you, Kevin, and let's bring in

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Speaker 1: our guests. It happens to be a first. There's a

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 5: Good good, glad to have.

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Speaker 1: You back, Pam. Sister pam uh We of course we

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Speaker 1: always rely on you to get us give us an update.

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Speaker 1: I'm Ama Abu Jamal and I always tell that we

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Speaker 1: always have some new listeners who really don't know how

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Speaker 1: Mamia got where he got today. He's in prison and

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Speaker 1: he's been on death row, but then really don't know

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Speaker 1: the circumstances. I hope you don't mind when I when

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Speaker 1: I ask you to repeat how Mamia got where is

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Speaker 1: It's just a short version. We lost sister Pam Africa.

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Speaker 1: Kevin seems like a okay, all right family, Well we

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Speaker 1: do that. Let me just remind you come up later

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Speaker 1: this morning. We're gonna as I call a wall of

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Speaker 1: History Month. We're gonna speak with an entertainer, Candy Staton.

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Speaker 1: Before that, we're going to speak with activists attorney and

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Speaker 1: ki Chi Taifa will be here. She's got to book

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Speaker 1: Black Lawyer, Black Power, Black Lawyer, like the title of

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Speaker 1: that book. Also Black Women for Positive changes, doctor Stephanie

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Speaker 1: Meis and darn Hester will be here and uh of

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Speaker 1: course sister PAM Africa and coming up later this week,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna hear from Contracosta College professor Maine new Mpin

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Speaker 1: and also Nadrabatic doctor an holistic doctor doctor at the

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Speaker 1: National Black Unity News is David Murphy's gonna join, So

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Speaker 1: Africa Grand Rising again dreams. Uh yeah, people, they want

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Speaker 5: Next him stopped MoMA and you know, as he was

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Speaker 5: No, it didn't. There wasn't no the police officer when

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Speaker 1: Oh wow for the family, twenty three minutes out of

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Speaker 5: He has absolutely new evidence in all this qu Billy

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Speaker 1: And well let me shoot this though. Do you think

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Speaker 5: Oh, most definitely Moumia wouldn't be in prison, you know,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for straining. He said, well, let me let

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Speaker 5: He was black? And his name was Arnold Beverley, And

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Speaker 5: which was Billy, Momia's brother. The affidavit and what happened

434
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 5: because they lie and say Billy never said what happened

435
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 5: to his brother, the attempt to come to the courtroom

436
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 5: and or to testify on behalf of MoMA and eighty

437
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 5: two and or they ran Billy off. And I said,

438
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 5: Billy goes under you know, underground, and his surfaces again

439
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 5: when we were in Harrisburg at another trial and he

440
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 5: for MoMA. When Billy came on the scene, most people

441
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 5: didn't know who he was. And h you know, and

442
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 5: I didn't at first either. He came over to me

443
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 5: and said, you know, you know that he was there,

444
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 5: you know, and he's coming forth to testify for Molea.

445
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 5: And I was real happy, you know. We talked for

446
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 5: a while, didn't The The following morning front page of

447
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 5: the newspaper was a full page of Momia's brother and

448
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,479
Speaker 5: they said that, you know, he had surfaced and this

449
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 5: was the steerability back under. What I want to know is,

450
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 5: you know, how did they get that? And uh, you

451
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 5: know the picture and it was a lot of things

452
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 5: that was done in Moleia's case, such as the there

453
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 5: was a movie product company that came to Philadelphia and

454
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 5: they you know, they picked a certain time where the

455
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 5: moon was right, everything was just right where they were

456
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 5: going to read and act the situation, you know, the

457
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 5: murder scene. And it was all in the papers the

458
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 5: day and they was pulling things together the day that

459
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 5: they were supposed to do it. They had a court

460
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 5: order that they could not do the actual reenact the scene.

461
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 5: And because where the uh, the cab driver was saying

462
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 5: she was placed that and he saw Monita kill Farkner.

463
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 5: You know, you would think that they wouldn't want this

464
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 5: kind of situation and all to prove that Mumia kill Farkner.

465
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 5: But they shut that down very quickly, and it was

466
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 5: very controversial in Philadelphia. Another person, Veronica Jones, she's a

467
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 5: a young sister that lived in Jersey that was a

468
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 5: victim of of the streets and uh, you know, and drugs.

469
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 5: She said very clearly that it was not Monita and

470
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 5: all who killed police officer Daniel Farkner. And she was

471
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 5: I met her in prison and she told me her story,

472
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 5: and I'm saying, you know, I learned really really not

473
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 5: to trust people and or you know, I told the

474
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 5: lawyer and I was released from jail the following day.

475
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 5: I was doing the contempt and a former leah, you know,

476
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 5: and that's how I wound up in jail. She once once,

477
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 5: I called the lawyer and told him. I didn't know

478
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 5: until Moonia's travel and ship there and they this particular

479
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 5: day was cops all around the courtroom, all around the

480
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 5: courtroom from one side to the other, and I knew

481
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 5: something was going to happen here. And then I looked

482
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 5: and they brought him Veronica Jones, and she's really looking confused.

483
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 5: You know, and the judge wanted they wanted her to

484
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 5: testify that she saw Moonia shoot police officer Falkoner. And

485
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 5: she started to because what happened when I left the

486
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 5: prison and uh, that fire all in day the fouling day,

487
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 5: and all three plane clothes policemen came up to the

488
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 5: prison and brought her in the room. She was thinking

489
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 5: it was about the charges that she was up for,

490
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 5: and they told her that they wanted her to identify Molita.

491
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 5: They would give her the same deal that they gave Lucky. Luckily,

492
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 5: as Cynthia White, there was another prostitute who lied and

493
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 5: said that Mola was on the scene. She said, she's

494
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 5: sitting and she's looking and that's the only time that

495
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 5: they came to see her. When they told her that,

496
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 5: they told about her children. Her daughter had just had

497
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 5: the baby, another one was graduating and you know, and

498
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 5: she sort of had had a life back together. But

499
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 5: when they brought her in the courtroom, she said, she

500
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 5: looked around and she was confused because she's seeing all

501
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 5: these cops. She had been in courtrooms before, you knew

502
00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 5: what's going on. And uh, and then the prosecutor asked

503
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 5: her about more lea and they wanted her to tell

504
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 5: the story because they threatened her with a lot of

505
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 5: time in jail. And she said, and she started to lie.

506
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 5: You know, she said, she looked over.

507
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 7: So on me.

508
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 5: She never seen on me in her life. She had

509
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 5: never ever seen on me in her life. And she

510
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 5: turned around and she said, you the judge that they

511
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 5: wanted her to tell the same story that you Lucky

512
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 5: had told, and he rushed her off the bench, and

513
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,719
Speaker 5: she never got a chance to tell, you know, her story,

514
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 5: but she did in an HBO special of people couldn't

515
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 5: look at up uh frame that execution. They all on YouTube,

516
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 5: A case for reasonable doubt and uh. But years later

517
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 5: this was the eighty two trial and they had her

518
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 5: there and uh in ninety five, you know, when MOONI

519
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 5: was getting a p U post conviction hearing, they brought

520
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 5: her back in. And when they did, you know, well

521
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 5: outside bowing her. Mack bowed her in. And when she

522
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 5: was understanding and all testifying, the jug says, look, he said,

523
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 5: you got to understand that. She said, you can go.

524
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,239
Speaker 5: You can be locked up for live because you know

525
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 5: you're saying you didn't tell the truth before. So we said, yes,

526
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 5: I understand that she said, you know how.

527
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: Right and hold up throw right there, Sister Pam. We're

528
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: gotta step aside for a few minutes to get caught

529
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: up with the latest news, trafficking, weather in our different cities.

530
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: Twenty three minutes away from the top of the our family.

531
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: Just waking up this morning with Sister Pam Africa giving

532
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: us an update. I'm Mia Abou Jamal, political prisoner behind

533
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: bars now for for decades for murder. He says he

534
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: didn't commit. What are your thoughts? Eight hundred four or

535
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six will get you in

536
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: to speak to his sister Pam Africa and we'll taking

537
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: phone calls after the news. That's next and Grand Rising family,

538
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: thanks for starting your Tuesday with us. I guess there's

539
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: a sister Pam Africa from the Move organization in Philadelphia.

540
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: As we continue to celebrate our sisters, all part of

541
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: women's history money, we got a bunch of sisters lined up.

542
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,239
Speaker 1: Before we give you the lineup, though, let me just

543
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: uh offer our condolences to the family and friend of

544
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: Kiki Shepherd. Some of you may remember Kiki the showtime

545
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: at the Apology, so also that show somebody you may

546
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: know it from Howard. She went to Howard All. She

547
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: suffered a massive heart attack in La. On Monday, Kiki

548
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: Shepherd was seventy four, coming up with following assist Pam Africa.

549
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: We're going to be joined by well, let let's do

550
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: it the other way. Coming up with this morning that

551
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna be joined by singer Candy State. But before Candy,

552
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: we're going to hear from activists Attorney and Kichi Taifa.

553
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 1: Before Attorney Taifa, Black Women with Positive Changes, Doctor Stephanie

554
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: Meis and Dawn Hest will check in, and later this

555
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: week you hear from Contracosta College professor manuwam Penn also

556
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: naturopathic doctor and holistic doctor Doctor A will be with us.

557
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: And the National Black Comunity News is David Murphy from Baltimore.

558
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: It's got a new documentary he wants to share with us.

559
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: So make sure if you are in Baltimore you keep

560
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: that radio Lock Team tight on ten ten WLB. If

561
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: you're in the DMV though on fourteen fifteen WL So,

562
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: sister Pama, I'm gonna let you finish it your thought

563
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: and then tell us when give us Because you know

564
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: some people wondered, when did this happen, When did the

565
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: shooting happen? And how long does mommy have been behind bars?

566
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 5: December nineteen, nineteen eighty one. He's been behind bars for

567
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 5: forty two years. But I want to tell you about

568
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 5: this sister, Veronika Jones, who came forth to testify. During

569
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 5: the time that she was on the stand, the judge

570
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 5: threatened her several times by saying, you know what they

571
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 5: can do to her. You understand if you change your testimony,

572
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 5: you can be arrested. She said that you know she

573
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 5: had lied back then and what she's coming forth and

574
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 5: she's aware of everything that they could do to her,

575
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 5: but she can't live with what they had attempted her

576
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 5: to do while she's sitting on a stand. In fact,

577
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 5: they took a break at her, talked to a lawyer.

578
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 5: She came back, and she proceeded to tell the story

579
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 5: while she's on the witness stand. Two police officers agents

580
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 5: from Jersey came over and they arrested her and they

581
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 5: to break arrested.

582
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 8: Her while she was on the stand and you.

583
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 5: Know, testifying with charges that she said she had did

584
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 5: that you know, paid retribution, you know for those charges.

585
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 5: But they arrested her on the stand to stop her

586
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 5: from telling her story. But that's all a part of

587
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 5: you know, these different movies that you can get on

588
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 5: the Life from Omea on YouTube, Caseful Region Modal from

589
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 5: the Execution, Long Distance Revolutionary and uh, you know all

590
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 5: these documenteds, you know films. But at the point that

591
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 5: you know, Mumia had, you know, a railroad trial. It

592
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 5: was clear the post conviction hearing with God news how

593
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 5: many people out there watching, and that you know, became

594
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 5: a railroad and but once you know, the whole time

595
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 5: Mumia was on death road and you know, he might

596
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 5: have had a slight cold or something. But you know,

597
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 5: when we pulled together and I'm saying, you know, we

598
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 5: I'm talking about people around the world, across the country.

599
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 5: In fact, sister in Kichi and she was one of

600
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 5: the people people that was working with us, and we

601
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 5: did a tribunal and you know, again we had people

602
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 5: from around the world. There's judges and things, and know,

603
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 5: they heard the facts. They pointed out that Mumia you know,

604
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 5: was innocent, but all that time that he was on

605
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 5: death row and they were sure. I mean, they brought

606
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 5: in you know, governors from around the country and our

607
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 5: honor Swarzneker when he was a governor and or he

608
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 5: talked about, you know, the execution of Momeir. He did

609
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 5: Tookie Williams and you know this government was going to

610
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 5: do Momea as well too, and so you know it's big,

611
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 5: it's you know, it's very controversial. And Mundi was not

612
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 5: sick one time, you know, you know the heavy illness.

613
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 5: And once Mumia hit death i mean came off of

614
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 5: death row. You know, the police had a press conference

615
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 5: because they was real piss and there they said Moumia

616
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 5: would be um You'll get their justice when he come

617
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 5: in general population. And they start wearing these T shirts.

618
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 5: You know, they hope he burn in hell with a

619
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 5: hypodermic needle on it. And they said, you know that's

620
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 5: when he would get well. Once Mooney got into general population,

621
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 5: the next thing, you know, Mumia was sick and he

622
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 5: was very ill, and you know, we was thinking that

623
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 5: they was going to get somebody in the prison and

624
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 5: or to try to knock Momir and but what it was,

625
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 5: it was through medical neglect and the things that they

626
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 5: did to him, and Momi wounded up with you know diabetes,

627
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 5: and MOMMI didn't have diabetes when they when they rushed

628
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 5: into the hospital because of the pressure that we put

629
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 5: on him, and uh, Mumia almost was into a diveetic coma.

630
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 5: And uh but before then and h he was getting

631
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 5: sick and Mulia thought it was something that he can

632
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 5: trink care of hisself. So he wouldn't see no visitors

633
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 5: for a while. And you know, we got sort of suspicions,

634
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 5: you know, of you know, this behavior. And when we

635
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 5: did get into see molda molea you know, had blown off.

636
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 5: I mean the largest jump suit that they had in

637
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 5: the prison. Moulia could not couldn't wear. I mean he

638
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 5: could wear, but the buttons was open. His feet and

639
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 5: all was sworn so bad and all that the flip flops.

640
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 5: He couldn't get his toes in between them. So he

641
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 5: had to cut sneakers from the back and from the

642
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 5: front in order to you know, put uh put sneakers on.

643
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 5: And uh we found out from a doctor by the

644
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 5: name of Joseph mm I get back to his name,

645
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 5: but minuted the lewis pharra con and uh. When he

646
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 5: found out about the conditions of Momeir and it was

647
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 5: clear that everybody they were trying to kill him, minus

648
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 5: the Lewis Farra. Cone offered to have his doctors, you know,

649
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 5: come in and you know, examine Momea, and of course

650
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 5: they wouldn't allow that. So then he said, you know,

651
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 5: a doctor of you know, we can get another doctor

652
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 5: or something, somebody from felt Adelphia and or but he

653
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 5: wanted somebody to go and see MoMA. They didn't, they didn't,

654
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 5: you know, allow that. But it was this brother that

655
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 5: was a panther and you know some years ago and

656
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 5: all who had did uh was a member of the

657
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 5: Doctors Without Borders. Joseph Harris is his name, and doctor

658
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 5: Joseph Harris, he went up to visit Moumea on a

659
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 5: regular visit because they wouldn't allow no other doctors, you

660
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 5: know things to see him. And he said, yeah, he

661
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 5: diagnosed muonia by looking at him at Moonia. You'll pull

662
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 5: his price legs up, you know. He looked at his

663
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 5: skinning and he said, Mumia had a rare kind of

664
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 5: weapetiteis sea and he he had seen it before, and uh,

665
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 5: you know, and how he know what it was that

666
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 5: he was looking at when he was with and doctor

667
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 5: with doctors with our borders over in Africa East thought

668
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 5: he said. And then he himself you know had you know,

669
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 5: had that had a had hepatitis. See, so he knew

670
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 5: what it was that he was looking at. So it

671
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 5: you know, we battled you know the you know the

672
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 5: prison and all you know fishes with it. They had

673
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 5: little hearings and they were saying there was absolutely nothing

674
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 5: wrong with more Mia and uh then you know we

675
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 5: wound up following the suit and when we got to court,

676
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 5: it was in in Allentown. And know where you know

677
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 5: we went to went to court at mmm, it's near

678
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:51,959
Speaker 5: How think.

679
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: Well when we jumping here, it's nine away from the

680
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: top of the eye. How did the French get involved this?

681
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: Can I understand the French? French folks were really supportive

682
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: of of Molia. Did they go through the through the

683
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: White House? Did they go through Congress or do they

684
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: go through the governor of penn of Pennsylvania.

685
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 5: Yes, they did, and you know they went to the

686
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 5: mayor in Philadelphia, you know in the first in fact,

687
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 5: the first lady of friends Daniel Midran, and she went

688
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 5: to visit Moliah and then she went to uh mayor

689
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 5: Edren Dell, and he had a meeting with her, and

690
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 5: she explained to him. She said that she and coming here,

691
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 5: she could have been hosted by you know, by them,

692
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 5: and she could have seen you know, or the precious

693
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 5: Liberty Bell, which was uh, the liberty bell. And she said,

694
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 5: but she chose to come here and see Mouliah. From

695
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 5: the years and years of investigation into this case, and

696
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 5: she said, through their investigation, they clearly found out that

697
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 5: Mulia did not have a fair child. They clearly found

698
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 5: out that, you know, all the lies and things that

699
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 5: was told. And when Edren Dell maya Edvndale at that time,

700
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 5: you know, went attempted to tell his story and uh.

701
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 5: And she's a very prominent proper lady and m Julior Wright,

702
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 5: Richard Wright's daughter, and she's a part of the international

703
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 5: concern things in Pennsylvania. At moved Jamal. She was translating.

704
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 5: And in fact Edmundale wanted me to come into that meeting.

705
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 5: I told him there's no way I was coming into

706
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 5: a meeting with him and all them cops around there

707
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,439
Speaker 5: and all because I don't want them singing later on

708
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 5: that Pam did it did anything right. So when they

709
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 5: had the meeting. She banged on the table and she

710
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 5: told said, lies or dies, this is not true. You

711
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 5: know what it was that he was saying. But how

712
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 5: did that movement build? And uh? It built. It built

713
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 5: through the fact of you know, you know, for instance,

714
00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 5: an anti death penalty. Uh. And in Paris and Boberani

715
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 5: and uh, the youth had taken on this case and

716
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 5: they were actually pushing and all this came from a

717
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 5: mayor at least in his city. The mayor of Bobani

718
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 5: and all said it was the youth who came and

719
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 5: pushed the case of Munius. And you know, they took

720
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 5: it up and Amulius now an honorary citizen of Paris

721
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 5: and uh. And in order to graduate out of the country,

722
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 5: the country of French, you have got to know the case.

723
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 5: I got the book with the you know, with the

724
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 5: curriculum and everything you know in it and uh. And

725
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 5: the reason why they did that is because when the

726
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 5: youth was coming over and we demonstrated in front of

727
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 5: the FOP building, we demonstrated in front of York City Hall,

728
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 5: we went to different places, and they were saying that,

729
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 5: you know, the children was duped by us. And a

730
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 5: lot of the people was do. But what they did

731
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 5: they brought a whole contangeon of youth here and we

732
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 5: went in front of the pattern. First we was in

733
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 5: front of to to see the mayor. They wouldn't see us.

734
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 5: Then to get particular points because he went in front

735
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 5: of the paternal order. Police drove it and you know

736
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 5: they said, what is all? You know always what they knew.

737
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 5: The French had ten thousand people, and you know in

738
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 5: the march led by the First Lady of France, by Lancaster,

739
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 5: he was a Philadelphia jazz musician, was over there. He

740
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,439
Speaker 5: said he never seen he wasn't over there for that

741
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 5: and all. He said, but he heard of him. He's

742
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 5: looking around every prince everywhere, you can know with pictures

743
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 5: of MoMA, he said. Then it was this big demonstration

744
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 5: and he wound up being up in front and all

745
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 5: with Daniel, Uh, you know Miteran and our Gamar and

746
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 5: Cuma and or the son of Kwme and Cuma and W. B.

747
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 5: Du Bois, the son of U I mean W. E.

748
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 5: Lloyd's son David was there. You know. It was so

749
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 5: many people from you know, different different mats, the Japanese

750
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 5: diet and all which is eco to Congress, and are

751
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 5: they you know, they rose up the money that we

752
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 5: have used throughout the years and or you know, to

753
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 5: prove Mumeia innocent. The majority of that money was raised

754
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 5: over in France and who by people who is anti

755
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 5: death guaranty and by people who came over and visited

756
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 5: and talked to Mama, by people who came over in

757
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 5: fact residents.

758
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: Well hold, I thought right there, because we got to

759
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: check the trafficking eminews in our different cities are four

760
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: minutes away from the top. They only come back though,

761
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: tell us what the because around the sound that they

762
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: named the street after Mama in in the Paris and

763
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 1: also what is his condition? What is his health standards?

764
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: Right now, before we let you go anyway, family, you

765
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: want to get in on this conversation with the sister

766
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: Pam Africa from the Move organization, reach out to us

767
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six

768
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: and we'll take a phone calls after we check the

769
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: trafficking weather. That's next. Thanks Ground Rising, family, and welcome

770
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: to Tuesday. Thanks for joining us on this Tuesday morning.

771
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: Our guest sister Pam Africa from the Move organization Web.

772
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 1: Michelle gonna speak with doctor Stephanie Meyers and Dannovald. Dawn

773
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: Hest going to join us as well as we talk

774
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: about Black Women for Positive Change. But sister Pam, what

775
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: is what is Uh? We're talking about momma about Jamala

776
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: and you've been in his corner from from jump what

777
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: is this? What is this medical condition? How's his health

778
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 1: these days?

779
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 5: Hisself cannet things about President Jock Sharah. Sure, you know

780
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 5: President jack Sharak and I'll see it very clearly. And

781
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 5: it was in the paper, you know, because they was

782
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 5: getting a lot of pressure and stuff, you know about MoMA.

783
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 5: He said that an I'm paraphrase that if he's still

784
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 5: of the evidence to show that, you know, Mumia did

785
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 5: not have a fair trial, that Moomi was innocent, then

786
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 5: he and you know they will get involved. Well, we

787
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 5: gave them that evidence. You say, how did they you know,

788
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 5: get involved for the way they were And Uh, that

789
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 5: came from President Jackson rocking us being to present him

790
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 5: with the evidence that they checked out, found out everything

791
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 5: that we were saying was true. And then they came

792
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 5: in full force and h the front page of their newspapers,

793
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 5: their big newspapers and al was the case of Muma

794
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 5: Abu Jamal and you like I said, you know, the

795
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 5: fundings that we were getting, you know, it was you

796
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 5: know from them. In fact, the United States was so

797
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 5: pissed and h you know that we had a hearing

798
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 5: you know, in on the floor the last rain day

799
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 5: of the UH Republicans and uh, you know not this

800
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 5: time and all, but I can't remember the year, and

801
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 5: that they took the last half an hour and all

802
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 5: to deal with the case of Momir. And you know

803
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 5: they came out, you know, in that they were no

804
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 5: longer called French fries, French fries, they were nouns, becalled

805
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 5: fries history how French fries bang fries because of Mumia

806
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 5: Abu Jamal and the French involvement, you know, it was

807
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 5: a whole lot more there. And but you know Mumi

808
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 5: was you know, with the situation with his eyes. And

809
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 5: know they tried several attempts to kill Momir through medical

810
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 5: neglect and all, and we was able to battle everything down.

811
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 5: In fact, the reason why people can get hepatitis feet

812
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 5: in the prisons and all at the rate that they're getting,

813
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 5: you know, getting it down and then because they wasn't

814
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 5: getting it. And all was behind the case of Mumia

815
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 5: Abu Horn versus Mumia Abu Jamal, Mumia Abu Jamal versus Horns,

816
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 5: which was the prison system and something. You know, there's

817
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 5: a lot of good that came because people were dying,

818
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 5: you know, happily every day, all the prisons and all

819
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 5: behind you know, a hepatitis. See. In fact, you know,

820
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 5: we were able to wear people awareness right here on

821
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 5: this show. And uh, you know a lot of users

822
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 5: while Mumia is you know, live in moving because of

823
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 5: people like you yourself and all who refused and are

824
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 5: to let this issue go. And one thing that the

825
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 5: police said, you know, when Monia came off of death row,

826
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 5: and they said they will wear this case down with time.

827
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 5: And uh and in these forty two years, we're still

828
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 5: here putting out the information about Mona and his health

829
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:46,720
Speaker 5: and uh, you know, he still has the the itching.

830
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 5: He was itching twenty four hours a day, seven days

831
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 5: a week, and.

832
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 7: Uh, you know, real.

833
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 5: Bad and all for years and now he you know,

834
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 5: he still has that itch. They have to constantly monitor

835
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 5: his his skin. Then he developed and or you know,

836
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 5: Malia is a very prideful person, which is very you know,

837
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 5: hurtful in some situations, like he did not tell us

838
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 5: in the beginning and all about the situation where she

839
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 5: was blowing up and itching and all it was inmates

840
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 5: in the prison. You know who told us about that

841
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 5: because he figured he can handle that. And the situation

842
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 5: with his eyes. You know, when he started telling us

843
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 5: about his eyes, he said, oh, I can handle inside

844
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 5: the prison. And then you know, it was at a

845
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 5: point that you know, we Oma, you gotta file something

846
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 5: on this. So when he did, of course they you know,

847
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 5: wouldn't you know, deal with his eyes again another person

848
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 5: from the outside and uh, Noel Hannahinch from prison radio.

849
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 5: She kept and uh she got a doctor and are

850
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 5: ophsthalmologists and the people want to know what happens with

851
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 5: the moneys that's being raised for Molia. Okay, if we

852
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 5: had not been raising money and or you know, for

853
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 5: money for Mama all this time, and uh, we would

854
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 5: have never known and or to you know, how bad

855
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 5: this situation is with his eyes. You know, when she

856
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,879
Speaker 5: hided this ophthalmologist and she had to uh get all

857
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 5: the paperwork MoMA's health from the very first time that

858
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 5: he hit the prison and she wound up getting your

859
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Speaker 5: health records of him before he you know hit you know,

860
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Speaker 5: you know, got into this thing, you know, in jail

861
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Speaker 5: with this ophthalmologist. And let me tell you, and you

862
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 5: had to pay for every pay piece of paper that

863
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Speaker 5: you got from the prison and which came into thousands

864
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Speaker 5: of thousands of dollars and or you know, to get

865
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Speaker 5: all this paperwork from the beginning to the end, and

866
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Speaker 5: then having you know doctors, you know, you know look

867
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Speaker 5: over this stuff. Come to find out that Moonia when

868
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Speaker 5: he was a young teenager, when Governor Wileace that came

869
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Speaker 5: to time, came to town and he is a young

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Speaker 5: teen maader Helm and another brother dought to did can

871
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Speaker 5: go there and protest him? And know what we did.

872
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Speaker 5: They're beating so bad. But part of the staring from

873
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Speaker 5: Mena's eyes which we're dealing with, you know, to this day,

874
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Speaker 5: came from that beating. It also came from the beating

875
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Speaker 5: that was taken. And this is all documented facts and

876
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Speaker 5: know they came from this paperwork.

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Speaker 1: Sister pan We're gonna have to cut it there because

878
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Speaker 1: we were just flat out of time. But I just

879
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: want to thank you for standing in the gap for

880
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: a brother, MoMA, because without you, we would never find

881
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: out what's going on, how he's doing, because I know

882
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: he spoke to him recently and uh hopefully we get

883
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: a chance to speak to him as well. And you know,

884
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: because people people are concerned about his welfare behind bars,

885
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,479
Speaker 1: because we know that's what they're trying to do, trying

886
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: to you know, slowly, trying to let him take him out,

887
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 1: but make him make it painful as much as possible.

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Speaker 1: If people want to help you, sister Paan Africa, help mama,

889
00:52:59,160 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: how do they do so?

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Speaker 5: And they can go to mobilization number four four more millions,

891
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 5: they can go to prison Radio dot com. And uh,

892
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Speaker 5: there's several groups and things, but these are the two

893
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Speaker 5: main ones that you know that you know that we're

894
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Speaker 5: dealing with, you know right now, you know w and

895
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 5: or you know cause because with this by centennial, I

896
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 5: mean in two hundred and fifty year anniversary, that's gonna

897
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 5: be right here in Philadelphia, and uh, in order for it.

898
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Speaker 5: In nineteen eighty two, jud Sable told the jury and

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Speaker 5: uh he said, you know, he charged them one day

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Speaker 5: and on July first, and uh, they came back with

901
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 5: you know he charged him on the first. The second

902
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 5: they came back with guilty and or the third they

903
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Speaker 5: came back with the death county. In the fourth of July,

904
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Speaker 5: the they they it was party times and or because

905
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Speaker 5: they was able to be released to be at be

906
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Speaker 5: out in time and of cause they were sequested for

907
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 5: the fourth for July. And we have never ever allowed

908
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 5: them to have another four for July where we didn't

909
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 5: have a contingent of people, you know, dealing with this situation,

910
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 5: you know, with Momir and uh so this this fourth

911
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 5: for July, and you know, this freedom they called it,

912
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 5: and you know, we're going to be on the streets

913
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 5: and we're organizing now for different things to go on

914
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 5: and on for more Mila during their time, and we're

915
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 5: going to have a lot of literature passing out.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 1: All right, keep us in the loop, sister Pam, keep

918
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: us in the loop. And thank you again for you know,

919
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: because you're the link to what's going on with Momea

920
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: behind bars. So I thank you for doing that all

921
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: for all these years decades. Thank you, all right, family,

922
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: that's sister pan African. Let's turn our attention out to

923
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Speaker 1: doctor Stephanie Meyers. And and thenol'd doorn Hester ladies, Grind Rising,

924
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Speaker 1: welcome back to the program, Grind Rising.

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00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 10: Good mo, Carl, and thank you so much for inviting

926
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Speaker 10: us to join you this morning.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, good morning. Because you guys are doing phenomenal work.

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Speaker 1: I remember when you started Dr Mayas, you know, Black

929
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Speaker 1: Women for Positive Change, and you've grown exponentially, You've grown

930
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Speaker 1: internationally now even started just in the Washington, DC air

931
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Speaker 1: then a national international. Could you take us back to

932
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 1: the conception of Black Women for Positive Change? How did

933
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Speaker 1: that come about?

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Speaker 10: Well, we actually started in two thousand and eight is

935
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Speaker 10: Black Women for Obama, and after the president was re

936
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Speaker 10: elected and we realized he didn't need the campaign work,

937
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Speaker 10: we then decided to transition to a new organization and

938
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Speaker 10: that's when in twenty twenty eleven, Black Women for Positive

939
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Speaker 10: Change was born. And so we really started out with

940
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Speaker 10: this idea that we were going to promote economic development

941
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Speaker 10: and community development. And then Trayvon Martin got killed and

942
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Speaker 10: he did it just upset us so badly that we

943
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Speaker 10: decided we wanted to make stopping violence one of our priorities.

944
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Speaker 10: So that's what we've been doing the last fifteen years

945
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Speaker 10: is focusing on stopping violence in America and across the world.

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Speaker 1: Didn't you guys have a week of nonviolence? How did

947
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: that come about? Or said a month?

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Speaker 11: Now?

949
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Speaker 10: How?

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Speaker 1: Because I know it's probably grown as well well.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, we started off as a day of nonviolence in Washington, DC,

952
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Speaker 10: and then it expanded because we had leaders like Honora

953
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Speaker 10: bodon Hester with us, and it expanded to a week,

954
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Speaker 10: and then in the last few years it became a month.

955
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Speaker 10: And so it went from one day in DC to

956
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Speaker 10: time in different states and cities across the country. And

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Speaker 10: then this last year in twenty twenty five, we were

958
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Speaker 10: very proud that we had seven countries overseas that were

959
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Speaker 10: involved in supporting the effort.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, it's really growing. Your role in this.

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Speaker 11: My role is to support doctor Stephanie Mayas and all

962
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Speaker 11: of those around the country who are making a difference,

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Speaker 11: working with our young people and adults and trying to

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Speaker 11: make a difference and not only others view the world,

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Speaker 11: but in how we can be more safe in our communities,

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Speaker 11: in our schools and so, you know, how do we

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Speaker 11: spread this world? How do we have others your listeners

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Speaker 11: to you know, also help us take up the charge

969
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Speaker 11: because we know violence in our communities is an issue

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Speaker 11: and it's going to take us on the ground to

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Speaker 11: make a difference, and so that is my role.

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Speaker 1: The family is just checking in thirteen after top the

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Speaker 1: ladies from Black Women for Positive Change, doctor Stephan Meiers

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Speaker 1: and the Abill Dawn has that you've just heard of

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00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: momentarily that make sure this doctor Myers Black Women for

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Speaker 1: Positive changees that mean it's only black women involved, Well.

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Speaker 10: It started out that way. But we are really multicultural

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00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 10: and we have good brothers as part of our membership.

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Speaker 10: So we really are proud to say that we're inter faiths, Christians,

980
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 10: Muslims and Jews, Hindus and Buddhists. We have men and

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00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 10: women in our group. Don's husband, my husband are our

982
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Speaker 10: good brother members. Karl, we are honored to have you

983
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 10: as a part of the network and the one hundred Fathers.

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Speaker 10: We're intergenerational and we're very pleased to have our gen

985
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Speaker 10: zs our gen x's, and we're multicultural. We have white

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Speaker 10: men and women, Latino people. We just feel that we

987
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 10: want to be what America has got to continue to

988
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 10: be and has to grow to be. We have to

989
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 10: resist all this hate and all this racism that's been

990
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 10: going on, and we have to say this country was

991
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 10: established as a multicultural nation with the Native American indigenous people,

992
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 10: and then our achester is being brought over here forcibly

993
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 10: into slavery. But look at what we've done with this

994
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 10: country over these past several hundred years. So that's what

995
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 10: Black Women for Positive Change represents. We thought about changing

996
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 10: the name, but we found that our multicultural people are

997
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 10: proud to be part of an organization called Black Women

998
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 10: for Positive Change, so we've kept it.

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00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: All right At fortianthre Tovey, I foundly just checking that

1000
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: that's the doctor Stephen Maslom with down Hester, and Dawn

1001
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: works for the in Virginia. She lives in Norfolk and

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00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: she's a big.

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Speaker 5: Pardon said in Virginia.

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00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: Okay, thought I thought you corrected me. But you're the

1005
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: coach here of Black Women with Positive Changing and you

1006
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: start as an educator. Did you guys work with young

1007
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,919
Speaker 1: people as well, especially young women when it comes to nonviolence.

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00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 5: Of course we do.

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Speaker 11: We work with young children in elementary school all the

1010
00:59:56,000 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 11: way through college. And it's not just women, it's all culturals.

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01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 11: When we go into public school systems, no matter where

1012
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Speaker 11: in the country we are.

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Speaker 5: And world that we are.

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Speaker 11: We're working with young people who want to make a

1015
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 11: difference and some who need to hear that they can

1016
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Speaker 11: make a difference. We've started the Peace Pledge, but we

1017
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 11: try to have all of us do use an adults

1018
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 11: to pledge to not be a part of violence and

1019
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 11: trying to help our friends to also not be a

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Speaker 11: part of violence.

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Speaker 1: Tue, well Hold, I thought right, there's Hester. We've got

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Speaker 1: to step aside for a few months. When we come back, though,

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Speaker 1: I want you to explain the peace Pledge for the family. Family.

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Speaker 1: You two can get in on this discussion with Don

1025
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 1: Hester was just spoken to and all spoke with, and

1026
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Speaker 1: also doctor Stephanie Myers from Black Women for Positive Change.

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Speaker 1: This is a group that they're dedicated to stop the

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01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: violence in our community. What are your thoughts? You can

1029
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: reach us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight

1030
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Speaker 1: seventy six on ticket phone calls next and grind Rising Family.

1031
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: Thanks for starting your Tuesday with us as we continue

1032
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Speaker 1: our salute to women's history. Monther, we have two bold

1033
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: sisters with us this morning. Dr Stephanie Meis and Don Hester.

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Speaker 1: Don actually is the treasure for the city of Norfolk,

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01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: and they're part of a group called Black Women for

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Speaker 1: Positive Change. You've heard them on here before. That's the

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Speaker 1: mission to stop the violence in our especially our community,

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Speaker 1: but just all across the world. Now, before we left,

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Speaker 1: Dawn was telling us about the piece the peace circles.

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01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 1: So the Peace Pledge or the peace circles down, can

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01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: you explain for us how that works.

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Speaker 11: It's one and all the same. We also have peace

1043
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 11: circles as well, but the non Violence Peace Pledge it

1044
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 11: is short, just the see sentences it so as our

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01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 11: pluredge to uphold peace in the name of nonviolence, and

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01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 11: to work to keep my brothers and sisters safe. I

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01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 11: promised to shoot the path of peace and to treat

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01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 11: others with fairness and respect. I coas to do this

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01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 11: for the sake of humanity, so that we can all

1050
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Speaker 11: live together in peace and harmony. A few sentences to

1051
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 11: put in the hearts of those who are hearing it,

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Speaker 11: who are reciting it, and then who are sharing it

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Speaker 11: with others. And we also have peace circles where we

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Speaker 11: have instructions in Our website is Black Women for Positive

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Speaker 11: Change dot org and you can find this information where

1056
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Speaker 11: we come together and help young people adults as well,

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Speaker 11: form a group and talk about how we can make

1058
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Speaker 11: things different, how we can be different, and how we

1059
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Speaker 11: can lead others to being peaceful and helping them to

1060
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Speaker 11: make decisions and thinking about making decisions before they act.

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Speaker 1: And doctor Mini, I'm chuckling because you know, I just

1062
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: got to tweet for one of our listeners and tell

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Speaker 1: her to send that pledge to Donald Trump. So thank

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Speaker 1: you for the person who tweets.

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Speaker 7: Agree, right, But doctor Miner, she.

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Speaker 1: Mentioned the peace circle as well, can you explain where

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Speaker 1: the peace circle is?

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Speaker 10: The peace circles are beautiful And just to follow up

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Speaker 10: on what Don Hester was saying, we have had people

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Speaker 10: all over the world doing the peace Pledge, and I

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Speaker 10: mean people in Gambia and Germany, Kenya, Malawi, Nigeria, South Korea,

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Speaker 10: the Virgin Islands, in Zimbabwe, and ten states around the

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Speaker 10: United States. We've had children, adults, and elders doing the

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Speaker 10: peace Pledge. In Alabama, we had one of the mayors

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Speaker 10: of the city down there and one of the communities,

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Speaker 10: Mayor Hopson in Hopson, Alabama, she pulled together the parents

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Speaker 10: of children who'd been murdered. And people can go on

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Speaker 10: our social media platforms and see the Peace Pledge on

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Speaker 10: TikTok at Black Women's Positive Change and Instagram with the

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Speaker 10: Month of Non Violence. And so the Peace Pledge and

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Speaker 10: the peace circles, these are tools that we've been trying

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Speaker 10: to introduce to the nation and to the world because

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Speaker 10: we simply have to do better than this violence, which

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Speaker 10: starts at the kitchen table. We know that domestic violence

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Speaker 10: impacts one out of five women in this country. We

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Speaker 10: know we have to find ways to get people to

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Speaker 10: think differently. And Carl, the tragedy that we all know

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Speaker 10: is that America was born into violence, the genocide of

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Speaker 10: the Native American people, the violence against our people, and

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Speaker 10: even the violence against the white European indentureds that they

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Speaker 10: don't like to talk about. So the peace circles enables

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Speaker 10: people to come together and sit together and talk about

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Speaker 10: what's on their minds, what's bothering them, what are they

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Speaker 10: afraid of, what are they upset about. And we have

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Speaker 10: peace circles that have gone on in California and Arizona

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Speaker 10: here in DC, and it's a powerful tool. And Carl,

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Speaker 10: I think school in America should have peace circles for

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Speaker 10: the young people at least several times a week, and

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Speaker 10: that's something we're going to be looking at going forward

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Speaker 10: into the new year.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you went there because this said. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to ask the thorn Hester about this because she was

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Speaker 1: an educator before she got into politics. So are you

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Speaker 1: guys thinking about what doctor Stephanie miis just to imply

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Speaker 1: to working with the schools to start the piece pleasures

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Speaker 1: there in the classrooms.

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Speaker 11: Well, you know, because we are working with the individuals

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Speaker 11: all across the world, we are going into classrooms. I

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Speaker 11: was just in one of our elementary schools last month

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Speaker 11: for Black History Month, and a part of my conversation

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Speaker 11: with the fifth graders, we recited the Peace Players and

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Speaker 11: we talked about what they need to do and what

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Speaker 11: they need to think about is they're getting ready to

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Speaker 11: move into middle school, which is already fighting and different,

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Speaker 11: you know, and the expectations will be more for them

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Speaker 11: as they're getting older. And we talked about this and

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Speaker 11: we recited the Peace Pledge together just to give them

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Speaker 11: something to think about. So, yes, we are trying to

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Speaker 11: do this all across the country. We would love to

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Speaker 11: and that's why doctor Mayers talked about us, getting our

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Speaker 11: mayors involved, governors involved, even with your staff at your school,

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Speaker 11: because adults are going through things as well that they

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Speaker 11: may not talk about. And so and you know, we

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Speaker 11: know that we have young people who are making poor decisions,

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Speaker 11: but we want to help them make better decisions. And

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Speaker 11: the more we put it in front of people, the

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Speaker 11: more we talk about it, you know, because there is

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Speaker 11: a peaceful solution to every conflict, I believe, but we

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Speaker 11: do have to talk about it, and sometimes it does

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Speaker 11: take time because when people make decisions, just like the

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Speaker 11: person that sent you the text called out a name

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Speaker 11: that I don't call, doesn't know what it means, but

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Speaker 11: you still cannot talk to him, and you still cannot

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Speaker 11: talk to others even though they have different opinions. That's

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Speaker 11: how we get into conflicts.

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Speaker 1: That's right, you gotta have a conversation. You gotta discuss it.

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Speaker 1: Twenty six after top down. That's Don Hester from Norfolk,

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Speaker 1: Virginia and also doctor Stephen Mais. They're from a Black

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Speaker 1: Women for Positive Change. Dr Myers. Though, when when you

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Speaker 1: get into a confrontation with a person, do you teach

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Speaker 1: people what to do? Especially young people even adults really

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Speaker 1: don't know because all of a sudden it explode it

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Speaker 1: just in a nano second. How do you restrain yourself?

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Speaker 1: And this is for everybody that you don't you know,

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01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: how do you remain calm when when when somebody's pushing

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Speaker 1: your buttons and you know they know what you know,

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01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:51,959
Speaker 1: the people some people they know what buttons to push

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Speaker 1: to get just to get you angry. How do you

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Speaker 1: maintain that that poise, in that calmness when you're ring

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Speaker 1: that ring, that set How do you deal that?

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Speaker 5: Doctor mis That's a really great question.

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Speaker 10: And there are tools, conflict resolution tools, and some of

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01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 10: our partner organizations experts, they are experts at training people

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Speaker 10: how to.

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Speaker 11: Use these tools.

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Speaker 10: Now, one of the things we created Carl was called

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Speaker 10: the Five Tips for Conflict Management, and these are cards

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Speaker 10: that we make available to schools and organizations. They're cards

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Speaker 10: that kids can carry in their pockets, and it says,

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Speaker 10: when people don't agree with you, it doesn't mean that

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Speaker 10: they're against you. It means that they're different from you,

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Speaker 10: and that's okay. Try to stay calm if you can't

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Speaker 10: come back to the conversation when you can bring your

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Speaker 10: best calm self. So we have to teach people how

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Speaker 10: to stay calm, how to respect other people's points of

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Speaker 10: view even if you disagree, to treat people with courtesy

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Speaker 10: and respect. And these cards we have, people can contact

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Speaker 10: us and we can make arrangements to get them and

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Speaker 10: make passed it out to the young people and they

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Speaker 10: can do role plays. How can you learn how to

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Speaker 10: handle a confrontation situation with calm and peace. I have

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Speaker 10: a story I love to tell about a little boy

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Speaker 10: in Pittsburgh eleven years old. His parents would fight every

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Speaker 10: Saturday night and over the weekend, and he would constantly

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Speaker 10: be watching his mom and dad screaming and hollering at

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Speaker 10: each other. One day he said, Mom and Daddy, I

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Speaker 10: think we should have a peace circle, because they had

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Speaker 10: had peace circles in his school, and he was able

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Speaker 10: to get his mom and dad to sit down with

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Speaker 10: him and talk about getting along. And he came and

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Speaker 10: told his teacher the following week and they had been

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Speaker 10: doing the peace circles. Now, one problem we have, Carl,

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Speaker 10: is a lot of the school administrators and teachers are

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Speaker 10: still overworked, and a lot of them don't want to

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Speaker 10: take on the responsibility of peace circles and conflict resolution.

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Speaker 10: So that's something we have to try to address. But

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Speaker 10: one other point, Carl, is that not only is nonviolence

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Speaker 10: our priority, we also focus on families, understanding, artificial intelligence

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Speaker 10: and voters' rights, so we have all those things that

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Speaker 10: we're pushing in twenty twenty six and self worth. So

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Speaker 10: families is what.

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Speaker 5: The little boy did.

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Speaker 10: Voters' rights we've got to get out here. You get

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Speaker 10: people to run for office, and nonviolence and self worth

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Speaker 10: and artificial intelligence.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, let's discuss some of those. That's the

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Speaker 1: starving voters, right, Let's go to Dollar, she's the politician.

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Speaker 1: This seems to be an apathy in the black community

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Speaker 1: when it comes to casting balance. Seems like, you know,

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Speaker 1: many of our folks, I don't say all of us,

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01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 1: And many of our folks feel like we've been voting

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01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 1: since we got here and we're still in the same position,

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01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 1: or we're probably in a worse position than we're before.

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01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 1: They don't think that voting works for them. What do

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Speaker 1: you say to those.

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Speaker 11: Folks, Well, I show to remember there are more people

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Speaker 11: of color who are representing them all across the country,

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Speaker 11: and so voting does make a difference. It also shows

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Speaker 11: us that when we vote, we can change things, and

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Speaker 11: voting at the local level is just as important as

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Speaker 11: the presidential election because you know, the data will show

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Speaker 11: that more people come out during the presidential election than

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Speaker 11: their school boards and their city council races and even

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Speaker 11: their state delegates. And so we just have to keep

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Speaker 11: teaching it, and we have to show that there are

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Speaker 11: things that are better because even though it's hard right

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Speaker 11: now with the person that's at the top leading the country,

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Speaker 11: at our local levels is where we are seeing change

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Speaker 11: take effect because our local leaders are able to spend

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Speaker 11: their tax dollars to make a difference in communities, in

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Speaker 11: schools and building schools and facilities and improving neighborhoods. So

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Speaker 11: we have to keep teaching it. It's you know, it's

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Speaker 11: hard work. I've been doing it since the late nineteen

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Speaker 11: nineties and I love it. But service is also teaching,

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Speaker 11: and you have to teach people why it's important for

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Speaker 11: them and to show them that because you voted and

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Speaker 11: you have this person is mayor, or this person is

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Speaker 11: your city council member, you now have this recreation center,

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Speaker 11: or you now have this new school, or you now

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01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:33,839
Speaker 11: have individuals who are help patrolling our streets, not police officers,

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Speaker 11: but individuals working collectively to help. Some of our neighborhoods

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Speaker 11: where we buy data have a lot of violence going on,

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Speaker 11: and these are people who have been assisting us and

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Speaker 11: also trying to curb the violence and watching our children

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Speaker 11: at the bus stops and keeping down beasts that they

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Speaker 11: know are simmering in communities. So there's a lot that

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Speaker 11: is happening that happens at your local level. So if

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Speaker 11: you don't vote and you're missing the people at the

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Speaker 11: local level who really influence you, and it is hard,

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Speaker 11: I will say, it takes time to not only see

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Speaker 11: the difference, but to feel it until you know we're

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Speaker 11: pushing out. Just talk about Virginia because this is where

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Speaker 11: I am, even though there are others who don't like it.

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Speaker 12: To increase the minimum wage, you know. So we've just

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Speaker 12: passed legislation in this session, and I'm sure our governor,

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Speaker 12: Governor Spamberger will find to see those incremental increases and

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Speaker 12: the minimum wage. One conversation I heard not too long

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Speaker 12: ago is that we need to stop talking about the

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Speaker 12: minimum wage and start getting to We need to have

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Speaker 12: a livable wage. So that needs to be the wage

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Speaker 12: that works, because everything is increasing in price until But

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Speaker 12: that one too is a collaboration with a whole lot

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Speaker 12: of people, with our business community and everyone, so it

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Speaker 12: does make a difference. I know I've talked a lot,

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Speaker 12: but you can't miss a vote. I have not voted

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Speaker 12: since I turned eighteen. We have an election going on

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Speaker 12: now in Virginia to change our districts, and this is

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Speaker 12: a counter to what is happening across the country where

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Speaker 12: the person who is leaving our country right now is

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Speaker 12: trying to take votes away. That's a part too, of

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01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:30,879
Speaker 12: the frustration I think that people seeing people feel because

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01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 12: it's not about for them, it's not about serving the people.

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01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 12: It's about power, whereas many of us it is serving

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01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 12: the people and.

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Speaker 13: What can we do to make lives better for people?

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Speaker 12: And so if you don't vote, you don't have a voice.

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01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 12: If you don't have a voice, my mo I'm always there.

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01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 12: Don't complain if you're not trying to do something about it.

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Speaker 7: So you got to do something about it, gotcha?

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Speaker 1: And twenty seven away from the tower, that's Don She

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Speaker 1: works in Norfolk for the City of Norfolk. She's a

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Speaker 1: treasurer down there. And also Stephanie Meyers, doctor Stefan Meers.

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Speaker 1: They're part of Black Women for Postantly Changed and Doctor Myrers,

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Speaker 1: I think we've had this conversation before about the voting,

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Speaker 1: especially the last presidential election. A lot of sisters that

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Speaker 1: turned out for Kamala Harris, they thought she won, even

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Speaker 1: over in the day of the election, they thought she won,

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Speaker 1: so thought that she got robbed. And some of them

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Speaker 1: are still jouniced by what happened. They feel slighty, They

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Speaker 1: feel they were robbed, and they too leading the apathetic

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01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 1: group of black folks who don't believe the vote matters,

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Speaker 1: or if they figured some way to change the rules

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Speaker 1: and stop us or retard us from voting. Your thoughts

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Speaker 1: on the process so far, and if you could speak

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Speaker 1: to those sisters who vote turned out, because they turned

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Speaker 1: out in large numbers and they still came up according

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Speaker 1: to what the government said, came up short. Some of

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Speaker 1: them think they were robbed. What do you say to

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Speaker 1: them this morning, Dr.

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Speaker 10: Myers, Well, I'm proud of his sisters who vote and

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Speaker 10: who work. I'm extremely proud. And this is Nashville when

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Speaker 10: it's History month. And Honorable Don Hester is an example

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Speaker 10: of the type of woman, the role model that has

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01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:10,480
Speaker 10: helped to transform our community from the time of ensflavement

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Speaker 10: to today where we have the treasurer of a major

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Speaker 10: city in Virginia. We have to have people willing to

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Speaker 10: do as she's done. Go from the classroom and then

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Speaker 10: become vice mayor of your city, become a state legislator,

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Speaker 10: and now she's advising the new governor. People have to

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Speaker 10: realize and that's why we say self.

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Speaker 5: Worth is important.

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Speaker 10: Voting, participation, volunteering, self worth is all very critical. Now

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01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 10: going forward, we have to do more than vote, Carl.

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01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 10: We have to do organizing and strategic thinking. And one

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Speaker 10: of my concerns is I see some of our candidates

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01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 10: that are out there and I know pretty upposts what

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01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 10: their organizations look like. They need to improve their approach,

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01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 10: their networking, their training, their fundraising strategies. Voting will not

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01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 10: be enough going forward forward. We need each activist woman

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Speaker 10: to have her own team that she gets to the polls,

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Speaker 10: that she volunteers. We have to do more than just

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Speaker 10: that one vote. We have to each deliver one hundred votes,

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Speaker 10: or one thousand votes, or ten thousand votes. Because the

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Speaker 10: opposition is strong and they're coming for us, and we

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Speaker 10: don't have any doubts about that, but we know that

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Speaker 10: the only ones who can save us are us, and

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01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 10: so we have to buckle down and have training and

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Speaker 10: learn the principles and like I said, understanding AI is

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Speaker 10: a part of what our mission is. And families, we

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Speaker 10: have to use all the tools available to us, technological tools,

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Speaker 10: community tools, whatever it takes we have to do to

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Speaker 10: move forward into twenty twenty six and twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 10: These are critical years and really the country's going to

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Speaker 10: be transformed by these next major elections and we cannot

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Speaker 10: afford to lose all right, hold on.

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Speaker 1: Though, right the twenty four away from the top, got

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Speaker 1: a stepiside and get caught up with the lady's news

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Speaker 1: trafficking whether they're not different cities, We come back sister

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Speaker 1: for him and Washington d C. Has a question or

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Speaker 1: a suggestion for you ladies. Family, You two can join

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01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 1: our conversation with doctor Stephanie Meyers and the honor Old

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Speaker 1: Dawn Hester from Black Woman for Positive Change. You know

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Speaker 1: how to reach us eight hundred four to five zero

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Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six and we'll take a phone calls

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Speaker 1: after the news that's next and Grand Rising family and

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Speaker 1: thanks for rolling with Let's on this Tuesday morning as

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Speaker 1: we continue our salute to the Sisters as part of

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Speaker 1: the Women's History Month. Our guest right now doctor Stephanie

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Speaker 1: Meyers and also at the honorable Dawn Hester. She works

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Speaker 1: for the City of Norfolk, Virginia. And before we go

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Speaker 1: back to THEO, We've got to announce our condolences to

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Speaker 1: the family and friends of actress at Kekey Shepherd. Some

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Speaker 1: of you know her from a showtime at the Apollo,

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Speaker 1: but she also was on a Different World and everybody

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Speaker 1: hates Chris NYPD Blue and a whole bunch of other shows. Well,

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01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 1: she suffered a massive heart attack in La on Monday

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Speaker 1: and she went to Howard by the Way and passed away.

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Speaker 1: So that's again our condolences to the family and friends

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Speaker 1: of Kiki Shepherd. Kiki was seventy four DAVI. This morning,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna speak with a singer, County Stayton is going

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01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 1: to join us and it's talk about her journey from

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01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 1: R and B a singer to a gospel icon. Also

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Speaker 1: activists Attorney and Kishi Taifa will be here and later

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Speaker 1: in the week you're here from Contracosta College. Professor doctor

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Speaker 1: May new im pen also a natural patic and holistic doctor,

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01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 1: Doctor A will be here and the National Black Unity

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Speaker 1: Newspapers David Murphy will join us. So if you are

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Speaker 1: in Baltimore, make sure you keep that radio lock team

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Speaker 1: tight on ten ten w LB or FAV and DMV

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Speaker 1: round fourteen fifteen w L. All right, Dr Myrs and

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Speaker 1: Don Hester I mentioned before we left the System for

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Speaker 1: Hima has a question for you from Washington, DC or

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Speaker 1: suggestion Grand Rising System for Hima. You're on with the sisters.

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Speaker 14: Rustin Nelson and greeting to your gifts, Doctor Myrz and

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Speaker 14: the other sister that I had to suggestion you may

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Speaker 14: have this in place to some degree. So have you

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Speaker 14: thought about oh well, let me just you know how

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Speaker 14: there are conflict resolution certifications that folks go through, and

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Speaker 14: I know some of the public schools have a restorative

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Speaker 14: justice program. Have you considered a train the Trainer program

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Speaker 14: for the kids because you mentioned that one of the

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Speaker 14: kids had used this at home and so it would

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Speaker 14: take some of the teachers instead of you know, of

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Speaker 14: them looking is there's something else for us to do?

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Speaker 14: They could recommend kids to go through a train the

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Speaker 14: Trainer where you could teach the kids how to actually

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Speaker 14: implement this and teach it to other kids and they

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Speaker 14: can get like a little certificates, become like peace ambassadors,

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Speaker 14: and who knows, it may prompt them to go into

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Speaker 14: conflict resolution. You may have this in places some to do,

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Speaker 14: but this might help you to scale it. That was

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Speaker 14: just a suggestion.

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Speaker 10: Excellent suggestion, and thank you very much. And yes, we

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Speaker 10: have approached a couple of local governments and a couple

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Speaker 10: full of foundations to try to get the funding to

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Speaker 10: put together a program like that. We would love to

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Speaker 10: see a program like that, and we're seeking opportunities to

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Speaker 10: do that because you're right, if the young people become

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Speaker 10: the experts at conflict resolution, they can make all the

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Speaker 10: difference in the world.

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Speaker 5: So, yes, your.

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Speaker 10: Suggestion is excellent and we will definitely try to follow

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Speaker 10: up on that.

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Speaker 14: One of the people, I know that some of the

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Speaker 14: schools have a restorative justice program to deal with some

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Speaker 14: of the violence in the schools, So that might be

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Speaker 14: a place to start to consider partnering with the schools

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Speaker 14: that you use restorative justice. And I think it's a

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Speaker 14: great work that you guys have been doing and continue

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Speaker 14: to do, so I appreciate what you do well.

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Speaker 10: We appreciate you, and we invite you to join our network.

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Speaker 10: You can go to our website at Black Women for

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01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 10: Positive Change dot org. You can join us if you wish.

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Speaker 10: We'd love to have your participation. And one of our partners,

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Speaker 10: the one hundred Fathers, Inc. They partnered with a high

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Speaker 10: school here in DC that has a restorative justice program

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Speaker 10: and they put on a concert, a non violence concert,

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Speaker 10: And this is something else we are trying to promote

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Speaker 10: where young people can write their own music, their own

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Speaker 10: poems and talk about stopping violence in music, poetry, and dance.

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Speaker 10: So yes, the restorative justice programs are wonderful partners. We

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Speaker 10: also partner with the National Black Nurses, the Continental Societies,

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Speaker 10: and so we want to expand the verizon. So yes,

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Speaker 10: we agree with what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you for.

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Speaker 11: I'm just like to add to that. I do thank

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Speaker 11: her for those suggestions that we do a lot of

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Speaker 11: our work virtually as well, because we're international, so a

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Speaker 11: lot of training can be done virtually. It's just a

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Speaker 11: matter of putting all of that together so that we

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Speaker 11: can bring it to more people.

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Speaker 1: I don't me ask you this though, Miss is it

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Speaker 1: different internationally? The issue is the same overseas.

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Speaker 11: Here. People are people everywhere, and so how you deal

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Speaker 11: with conflict is something that we all can need support

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Speaker 11: with and ideas to help make things better. And so, yes,

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Speaker 11: there's a lot of conflict around the world, not just

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Speaker 11: here as we see it, and the conflict may be different.

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Speaker 11: It might not be violence with guns, but conflict is

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Speaker 11: when there are emotional reasons that people make decisions that

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Speaker 11: can impact their lives in the life of the person

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Speaker 11: that they're having the conflict with. So just in learning

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Speaker 11: how to think before you act, in making decisions and

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Speaker 11: options that you have, and resolving things because you know,

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Speaker 11: conflict is an emotion and so how you deal with

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Speaker 11: that emotion and how it impacts you individually and then

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Speaker 11: the other person that you're having the conflict with. All

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Speaker 11: of that is intertwined and not just us, but in

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Speaker 11: us developing as individuals. And so we have to learn

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Speaker 11: based on our individual history, how we have become the

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Speaker 11: person that we are, how we respond the way we respond,

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Speaker 11: and why we respond that way, first to help ourselves

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Speaker 11: to do better and then to help us when conflict

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Speaker 11: may come our way.

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Speaker 14: Carl in Malawi over in Malawi in.

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Speaker 10: Na Tima village, we had a workshop on gender based

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Speaker 10: violence organized by the African Harmony Collectives, and we had

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Speaker 10: events in Kenya on violence against young women and in schools. So, yes, overseas,

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Speaker 10: they have a lot of the same issues that we

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Speaker 10: have over here. And because our program reached out overseas,

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Speaker 10: we were able to provide modest micro grants to some

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Speaker 10: of the villages in Africa so that they could sponsor

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01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 10: these conflict resolution events. So we're just looking for support

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01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 10: because we know the interest is there and we know

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Speaker 10: that people really do want to resolve this problem, they just.

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Speaker 13: Don't know how.

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Speaker 1: Well. Hopefully with you, with your advice, they they'll find

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Speaker 1: a way, not away from the top they are at. Danielle,

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Speaker 1: I think she's one of your friends. Calling from Baltimore's

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Speaker 1: online One Grant Rising Danielle yone with Dr Myeres and

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Speaker 1: Don Hester.

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Speaker 5: Hi.

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Speaker 15: Good morning, can you guys hear me?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 10: Good morning, Danielle.

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Speaker 15: Hi, Good morning Doctor Mayers and the uncle Don Hester,

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Speaker 15: two of the ladies who have brought me into this group. Oh,

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Speaker 15: it's been about what fourteen years or more, and I

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01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:52,600
Speaker 15: am so grateful for that and what I try to

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Speaker 15: do here in Baltimore as a sure in Baltimore is

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Speaker 15: just to make sure that we inform and educate our

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Speaker 15: prospective voters.

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Speaker 8: We are partnering with a.

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Speaker 16: Couple of organizations. We're trying to get into the schools

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Speaker 16: as well as you know, any the churches, any group,

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Speaker 16: any homeowners association that will have us please reach out

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01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:19,760
Speaker 16: to me again. You can go to Black Women for

1478
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 16: Positive Change dot org and we can come in.

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01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:24,879
Speaker 8: What we're trying to do is make sure.

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Speaker 16: In order for us to be informally educated, we have

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01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 16: to have a strategic plan and all of the things

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Speaker 16: that we're hearing on the national level about what's going

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01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:38,600
Speaker 16: to happen if we get together, we make sure that

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Speaker 16: we're not just registering people to vote, that we're educating

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Speaker 16: them and that we're mobilizing them.

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Speaker 8: We're getting them there.

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Speaker 16: You can register five hundred thousand people and hope that

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01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 16: fifty people come out, but if we work on the

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01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:55,760
Speaker 16: spelling the mists and giving individuals a reason why it's

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Speaker 16: important to vote and how it affects them directly and

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01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 16: end directly, you know, giving them tools to know, a

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01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 16: call to action, to let their representatives.

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01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 8: Know that they work for them, how they feel, go

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01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 8: to their offices.

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01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:17,519
Speaker 16: Write letters, make phone calls, attend hearings, town halls, and

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Speaker 16: school board meetings. Because there's a lot that goes on

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01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 16: that ourentatives are supposed to be going to work for

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01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:27,680
Speaker 16: us and let us know what's going on, and a

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Speaker 16: lot of times we don't even know about it until

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Speaker 16: it's already happening. So sometimes we have to, you know,

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Speaker 16: check their pages again, like I just said, call them

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01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 16: and everything and find out what's happening.

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01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 8: What's going on right now.

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Speaker 16: There's a big issue with data centers, and people need

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01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:47,400
Speaker 16: to know what those data centers do. There's an issue

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01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:52,640
Speaker 16: with the crematoriums. There's so many different issues that are

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01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:55,639
Speaker 16: going on, and we just can't sit back and wait

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01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:58,240
Speaker 16: until they tell us what's happening. We need to let

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Speaker 16: them know how we feel about these different things coming

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Speaker 16: into our communities. How we feel about the right stores

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Speaker 16: that we need in our communities, the food desert, you know,

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01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 16: things that are going on with our kids at the schools.

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Speaker 16: These are things that affect us directly and directly on

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Speaker 16: a daily basis, and we need to let our legislators

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01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:21,160
Speaker 16: or our perspective. Legislators and leaders know that we need

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01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 16: them to do what affects us in our different perspective communities.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, absolutely well. Danielle has been a great leader in

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Speaker 10: Baltimore and she has done so much working with the

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Speaker 10: Girl Scouts and the young women there in the community.

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Speaker 10: So we're very proud of her along with other leaders

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Speaker 10: that we have across the country. So thank you so much, Danielle.

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Speaker 8: Thank you guys.

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Speaker 1: All Right, stix away from the top, let's stay in Baltimore.

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01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 1: Mark is reaching out to us. He's online for Grand

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01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 1: Rise and Markey on with Heston and Stephanie Meyers.

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Speaker 17: Yes, the good morning to you and your guests. Very

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01:28:56,840 --> 01:29:00,200
Speaker 17: excellent program. I'm part of a local community civic ouse.

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01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:02,880
Speaker 17: I'm actually on the board of directors there, and we

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01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 17: would like to know if you're come out to talk

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01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 17: to civic groups and all that about your programs and

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01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:10,600
Speaker 17: if you have We're in a mixed community. We have

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01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 17: African American, Caribbean, Jewish, Hispanic and the like, and you know,

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01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 17: it's found to be somewhere. Although we try to work

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Speaker 17: together and it's very meaningful being a multi pasted community

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01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 17: and so forth, sometimes we do have conflicts and all.

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01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 17: So do you have something for us adults as well

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01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 17: where we can learn more from one another and how

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01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:35,000
Speaker 17: to you know, be a better community if you will,

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01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:36,800
Speaker 17: do you do something like that for adults as well.

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Speaker 10: We've been using the tool of artificial intelligence and Zoom

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01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 10: to try to encourage that type of interaction. We try

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01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:48,680
Speaker 10: to promote Zoom meetings so that we have people from

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01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:51,799
Speaker 10: different communities. So yes, we'd be very open to talking

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01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:54,959
Speaker 10: with you about that. We let people kind of identify

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01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:57,880
Speaker 10: a particular topic that they would like to focus on

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01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:00,640
Speaker 10: and then we can build an event around that and

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01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:02,440
Speaker 10: have key leaders participate.

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Speaker 13: So yes, we can talk.

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Speaker 10: Our email address is BK Women digit for pause change

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01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:18,759
Speaker 10: at gmail dot com. That's Bkwomen digit for pos change

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01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:23,480
Speaker 10: at gmail dot com. But working with local community organizations

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01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 10: is very important and we certainly are open to that.

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01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 9: Well.

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Speaker 17: The well, thank you so much. Keeping to good works.

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Speaker 17: Thank you very much, Buck, Okay.

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Speaker 10: Thank you, and Carl. I'd like to mention that here

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01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 10: in the district of Columbia where I'm located, we have

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Speaker 10: worked with the Archbishop Carroll High School that has done

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01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 10: a project on how artificial intelligence impacts the systemic thinking

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Speaker 10: of young people and one of the AI experts, doctor

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Speaker 10: Reverend doctor Barbara Reynolds is one of the leaders of

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Speaker 10: teaching people how to use these new technologies that are

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Speaker 10: coming along. So that's something that we're also very well

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Speaker 10: focused on.

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Speaker 1: A hold up through right there, DODR Myrs. We got

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01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:04,479
Speaker 1: to step aside and get caught up with the traffic

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01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 1: weather in our city is when we come back. I'll

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Speaker 1: let you finish tell us how you work with AI

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Speaker 1: Artificial intelligence. Family just checking in. That's doctor Stephanie Meis

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Speaker 1: and along with Dawn Hester, members of Black Women for

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01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:16,600
Speaker 1: Positive Changes and they're giving us a description of what

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Speaker 1: they do. You want to get in on this conversation

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Speaker 1: with the ladies, reach out to us at eight hundred

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Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight seventy six one ticket

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Speaker 1: phones bone calls after we check the traffic. That's Neaket

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01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 1: and Grand Rising family. Thanks for staying with us on

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Speaker 1: this Tuesday morning. Here, I guess the doctor stephan Meiers,

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Speaker 1: doctor uh be, Honorable Dawn Hester from Norfolk, Virginia's with us.

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Speaker 1: They are members of Black Women for Positive Change and

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01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:41,280
Speaker 1: Momma Chelly, we're going to speak attorney and keech you Taifa.

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Speaker 1: Let's wrap up with the sisters versus Dr Myers. But

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Speaker 1: tell us how are you working with AI artificial intelligence?

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Speaker 1: Can you share that with us?

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Speaker 13: Yes?

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Speaker 10: Well, our chaplain Reverend Doctor Barbara Reynolds, who's written a

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Speaker 10: book on this subject, The Rise and Fall of the

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Speaker 10: Techno Messiah. She really has been stressing the urgency of

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Speaker 10: making sure that our community moves forward with artificial intelligence.

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Speaker 10: So we had a workshop last September with one of

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Speaker 10: the experts here in the district, doctor Denise Turley, and

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Speaker 10: she talked about how AI works, how people can use it,

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Speaker 10: and carl our young people, a lot of them are

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Speaker 10: very smart on this and what I'm really impressed with

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01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:22,840
Speaker 10: are the leaders over in Africa that are really a

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01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 10: way ahead of us in many ways on artificial intelligence.

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Speaker 10: And we have workshops over in Ghana and overseas on AI.

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Speaker 10: So we're really trying to get people to understand it.

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Speaker 10: You don't have to like it, you don't have to

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Speaker 10: use it if you don't want to, but we need

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Speaker 10: to understand it because you nowadays, when you call any place,

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01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 10: you're getting a robo call. Some robot is talking to

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Speaker 10: you about anything that you call a government office, a

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01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 10: commercial location. It's hard to reach your human being anymore.

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01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:54,040
Speaker 10: So we have to learn how to.

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Speaker 5: Use these tools.

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Speaker 10: So one of the questions we have is how can

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Speaker 10: you use artificial intelligence to stop violence, to increase voting,

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Speaker 10: to strengthen families. How can we use it?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: How can we?

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Speaker 6: Okay, we have to learn.

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Speaker 10: How to use it first, and there are experts. We

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Speaker 10: had a workshop called the Benefits of AI for the

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Speaker 10: new Generation out of Ghana. There's some really talented people

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Speaker 10: out here. So we have to mobilize and find the

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Speaker 10: support and apply it to conflict resolution.

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Speaker 1: All right. Having said that, Ben, let me go to dawn.

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Speaker 1: Are you working with the young people as far as

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Speaker 1: the AI is concerned, because you know, it comes to

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Speaker 1: these new technologies. The old heads if you will say that,

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Speaker 1: you know, I say that friendly, it's sort of timid

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Speaker 1: or sometimes maybe you know it's embarrassed to try to

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Speaker 1: even or intimidate it by dealing with the new technology.

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Speaker 1: So you're embracing the young folks on the AI artificial intelligence.

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Speaker 11: I am them asking them. They are teaching me how

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Speaker 11: to use it, how to help make decisions about it,

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Speaker 11: because you know, I'm one of the hesitant old heads

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Speaker 11: that just because the AI says it doesn't make it true.

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01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:20,280
Speaker 11: So then I have to validate that what I'm hearing

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Speaker 11: is true or that the wording is correct. So you know,

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Speaker 11: I have a lot of hesitation, but it is here

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Speaker 11: and it is being used. And as doctor Myers said,

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Speaker 11: do you know when you're calling to get assistance, even

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Speaker 11: to make a hotel reservation, you're talking with an AI person,

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Speaker 11: And I find myself out saying to to the AI

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01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:44,640
Speaker 11: person or whatever it is, I wanna talk to a

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Speaker 11: person because I need a better inter interaction and answering

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Speaker 11: con questions.

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Speaker 13: That I have.

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Speaker 11: So it is something that we need to learn. It

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01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:58,320
Speaker 11: is here, we need to understand it. As doctor Meyers said,

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Speaker 11: whether we use it or not, it is going to

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Speaker 11: impact our world and shape our world.

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Speaker 5: And the other part all that to that is that

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Speaker 5: our young people need.

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Speaker 7: To be producers of it.

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Speaker 11: They need to be in the business of it and

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01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:18,200
Speaker 11: learning it because it is the future of workforce opportunities,

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Speaker 11: business opportunities, collaborations that are to come that we don't

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01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:31,880
Speaker 11: yet truly understand. And so it is the changing in

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Speaker 11: our culture. And so as we're changing the culture of violence.

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01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:40,720
Speaker 11: We also need to change the culture of technology and

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01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:44,760
Speaker 11: to help everyone understand it and use it as a

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Speaker 11: part of the world because it is.

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Speaker 1: Here, right and it's not going away. It's going to

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Speaker 1: expand if anything else, and that's what's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: So I agree with your sisters on that. Before we

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01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:57,120
Speaker 1: let you go, though, dodr Marus anything you'd like to

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Speaker 1: leave us with, and also Dawn as well.

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Speaker 10: First Dr Myers, Well, I think that as we move

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Speaker 10: further into twenty twenty six and twenty twenty seven, we

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Speaker 10: have to really focus on building our self worth, our

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Speaker 10: self confidence. As Reverend Jesse Jackson said, I am somebody.

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01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:19,000
Speaker 10: We are somebody, and we have to mobilize our resources

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01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:23,400
Speaker 10: and build the institutions that we already have. We can't

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01:36:23,479 --> 01:36:26,120
Speaker 10: let them go down. So as we go forward, we

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Speaker 10: have a lot of resources, incredibly talented people that our

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Speaker 10: past generations have really grown, and we have fabulous opportunities.

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Speaker 10: So I want us to be positive, strategic, resourceful, and

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Speaker 10: have integrity as we move forward and make this world

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Speaker 10: a better place.

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Speaker 5: And I believe that we can do that.

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01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:48,800
Speaker 10: And we invite people to join us at Black Women

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01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:52,679
Speaker 10: for positive change dot org. Our dues are very modest

1675
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:56,200
Speaker 10: compared with other organizations these days, one hundred dollars a year.

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01:36:57,040 --> 01:37:00,280
Speaker 10: We invite people of all backgrounds to join us and

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01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:03,920
Speaker 10: they can contact us at our email DK women digit

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01:37:04,120 --> 01:37:07,080
Speaker 10: for pause Change at gmail dot com.

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01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:10,920
Speaker 1: All right, Donald, don hester your thoughts.

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Speaker 11: I just want to say, first, thank you Carl for

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01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:21,960
Speaker 11: always helping us and all across your listening ears to

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01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:27,000
Speaker 11: be more informed, to help us become more engaged in

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Speaker 11: connecting people from all backgrounds together. So I thank you

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01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:35,040
Speaker 11: for your service to us. And my comment is all

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Speaker 11: of us have elections in November. We must pay attention

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01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:41,320
Speaker 11: and we must vote. We cannot pass any elections.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha. Thank you, ladies, Thank you for sharing your thoughts

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Speaker 1: with us this morning.

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Speaker 10: Well, thank you, Carl, Thank you very much for all

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Speaker 10: that you do.

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Speaker 13: Thank you.

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01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:53,360
Speaker 1: All right, family's turn attention to our next guest who

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01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:56,679
Speaker 1: comes to be attorney and ki Chi Taifa grand rising

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Speaker 1: sister and Kichi welcome back to the program when.

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Speaker 8: Rising, and welcome to you. Call Nelson. How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning. I'm learning stuff every day, but I

1697
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:10,680
Speaker 1: want to learn some stuff about you. What got you

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01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:14,320
Speaker 1: into becoming a lawyer, because you know, you're a lawyer,

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01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:17,760
Speaker 1: but not only I got the legal brains. You help

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01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:20,840
Speaker 1: our community. You're a scholar, activist, and an author as

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01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:23,640
Speaker 1: well as an attorney. So what put you on the

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01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:27,280
Speaker 1: path of becoming an attorney and an activist attorney at that?

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01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:31,400
Speaker 8: Well, actually called That's one of the things I talk

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01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:34,920
Speaker 8: about in my memoirle Black Power, Black Lawyer, My Audacious

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01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:38,000
Speaker 8: quest for Justice. And it really was a couple of things.

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01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:42,040
Speaker 8: One of the things was, as a young child, or

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Speaker 8: maybe not that young, maybe around nine or ten, I'm

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01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:51,320
Speaker 8: in the din of my family's library. My family were educated,

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01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:54,320
Speaker 8: So I was looking through this book called a Pictorial

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01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:58,720
Speaker 8: History of the Negro in America. Okay, and I'm just

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01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:02,439
Speaker 8: doing I see this, this fourteen year old boy. And

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01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:05,280
Speaker 8: what really sucked me about this is that I was

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01:39:05,439 --> 01:39:09,160
Speaker 8: just a baby when that fourteen year old boy was

1714
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:15,640
Speaker 8: lynched in Tallahashi in Tallahashee River in Mississippi. And that

1715
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:21,000
Speaker 8: was none other than that can make tell And I'm thinking, well,

1716
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:25,320
Speaker 8: this happened in my lifetime. I'm thinking those things happened

1717
01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:27,920
Speaker 8: millions of years ago, which in my mind your mind

1718
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:30,760
Speaker 8: was way back into slavery times. So I knew from

1719
01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:34,280
Speaker 8: that moment that I wanted to be a part of

1720
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:39,160
Speaker 8: doing something to right societal to wrong. And then corinel.

1721
01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:42,639
Speaker 8: When I was in junior high school, this was during

1722
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:45,360
Speaker 8: the time when Black Studies was first coming to the school.

1723
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:49,400
Speaker 8: I took a Black Studies course and on the wall

1724
01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:53,280
Speaker 8: of the classroom was this huge photo of a black

1725
01:39:53,439 --> 01:39:56,600
Speaker 8: man with a black pat in his hit on his

1726
01:39:56,720 --> 01:39:59,800
Speaker 8: head with a spear in one hand and a rightf

1727
01:40:00,040 --> 01:40:02,960
Speaker 8: another hand, sitting in a brand slam would shed all

1728
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:05,439
Speaker 8: the little teenage girls in my class. We're talking about

1729
01:40:05,479 --> 01:40:09,160
Speaker 8: how fine this brother was, but I was asking a teacher, well,

1730
01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 8: why is he in prison? And why is he being

1731
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:15,479
Speaker 8: represented by white lawyers? Something we are all the black

1732
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:19,160
Speaker 8: lawyers because represent the black people. So those two of

1733
01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:22,759
Speaker 8: the earliest mummeries of funds as to why I wanted

1734
01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:25,800
Speaker 8: to be a lawyer, not just any lawyer, but I

1735
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:29,639
Speaker 8: have to bess lawyer, a publicist lawyer, what we call

1736
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:31,679
Speaker 8: in today a movement lawyer.

1737
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:35,080
Speaker 1: Well, we're so happy he made that turn. We love

1738
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:37,640
Speaker 1: you for doing that, sister and Keichi, because we've got

1739
01:40:37,680 --> 01:40:40,160
Speaker 1: so many attorneys out there and they take the easy

1740
01:40:40,280 --> 01:40:42,800
Speaker 1: route because it's not it's not hard work. It's really

1741
01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:43,880
Speaker 1: hard working for our people.

1742
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:44,320
Speaker 5: You know that.

1743
01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:47,479
Speaker 1: You know, you could have taken the easy route, the

1744
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:52,080
Speaker 1: contracts or real estate or entertainment or something like that,

1745
01:40:52,120 --> 01:40:54,560
Speaker 1: and you don't have to do the headaches that you

1746
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:57,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't have to deal with. But you came back because

1747
01:40:57,040 --> 01:40:59,280
Speaker 1: you understand what it is and why it's at a

1748
01:40:59,400 --> 01:41:01,680
Speaker 1: time stiff for working on that people. And I say

1749
01:41:01,720 --> 01:41:04,320
Speaker 1: that loving way. But I love the title of your book,

1750
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:08,040
Speaker 1: Black Power, Black Lawyer, My Audacious Question for Justice. How

1751
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:09,200
Speaker 1: did that title come about?

1752
01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:13,800
Speaker 8: My goodness, Actually, the title took a long time to

1753
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:16,160
Speaker 8: come about. And let me just say this, the book

1754
01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:20,360
Speaker 8: itself took a long time to come about. It's really

1755
01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:22,800
Speaker 8: in two sections, Black Power and Black Lawyer, but it's

1756
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:27,360
Speaker 8: all intertwined together. And I've really started writing this. I'm

1757
01:41:27,400 --> 01:41:31,360
Speaker 8: talking about literally over thirty years ago. I mean, you know,

1758
01:41:31,560 --> 01:41:34,519
Speaker 8: just gathering together bits and pieces and all like that.

1759
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:39,000
Speaker 8: And it's my life expanded. It's the book just expanded.

1760
01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:44,679
Speaker 8: But I originally called it a Sister Sojourned through the Struggle, Okay,

1761
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:48,400
Speaker 8: because that's what my life has been walking through, traveling

1762
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:51,960
Speaker 8: through being part of the struggle and the sister was

1763
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:55,760
Speaker 8: a youngster's life were into an older sister and they

1764
01:41:55,840 --> 01:41:59,560
Speaker 8: were elder, you know. But then it just struck me.

1765
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:07,960
Speaker 8: You know, my whole life, whether I was young, middle age, old, whatever,

1766
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:12,240
Speaker 8: it's been about black power. Okay, But jan I also

1767
01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:15,719
Speaker 8: became a lawyer, and I didn't abandon the black power

1768
01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:18,680
Speaker 8: principles that were always so very near and dear to me.

1769
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:21,799
Speaker 8: That just came up with that said, Black Power, Black Lawyer,

1770
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:28,479
Speaker 8: and my whole journey, my whole quest has been audacious, Okay,

1771
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:30,560
Speaker 8: I'll tell you about that at a minute. And so

1772
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:34,000
Speaker 8: it really has been in notatious lust for justice. So Carl,

1773
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:37,560
Speaker 8: that's how it it came together. If I need to

1774
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:41,240
Speaker 8: say something, because I know it's sounding like this book

1775
01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:47,120
Speaker 8: just came out. Black Power, Black Lawyer actually was published

1776
01:42:47,200 --> 01:42:52,360
Speaker 8: in twenty twenty, but it was at the height of COVID,

1777
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:55,519
Speaker 8: so I never really homicized. It never went on a

1778
01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:59,320
Speaker 8: book tour. I never you know, I'm engaged in the

1779
01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:02,880
Speaker 8: short working working for my operations, working for this, working

1780
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:07,839
Speaker 8: for that. But right now this week finally for audio

1781
01:43:08,040 --> 01:43:11,400
Speaker 8: book for my memoir of Black Power, Black Lawyer. It's

1782
01:43:11,479 --> 01:43:14,640
Speaker 8: being release because that's what all the hooplot is about now.

1783
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:18,080
Speaker 8: It is the audiobook relief and one of the reasons

1784
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:21,000
Speaker 8: why it's taking so long six years for the audiobook

1785
01:43:21,080 --> 01:43:23,599
Speaker 8: to be released, because Carlin Nell says, you know, okay,

1786
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:28,800
Speaker 8: nobody talk about my my story in their words. It

1787
01:43:28,920 --> 01:43:31,240
Speaker 8: got to be me narrating that.

1788
01:43:31,439 --> 01:43:31,600
Speaker 18: You know.

1789
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:36,800
Speaker 8: This isn't any AI or any strange voice or white

1790
01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:41,400
Speaker 8: person's voice. It is me with my old, raspy, crazy voice.

1791
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:46,400
Speaker 8: But it's offensically menaging my own book because that's what

1792
01:43:46,640 --> 01:43:50,800
Speaker 8: all the celebration is right now about black power, black lawyer,

1793
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:54,519
Speaker 8: my audacious questions for justice. It is the upcoming release

1794
01:43:54,880 --> 01:43:56,280
Speaker 8: of the audio book.

1795
01:43:57,240 --> 01:43:59,600
Speaker 1: Well that makes us most special just to hear the

1796
01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:02,320
Speaker 1: children worsh behind it or not some auto voice or

1797
01:44:02,479 --> 01:44:05,120
Speaker 1: you know, AI voice telling the story, because you can

1798
01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:08,320
Speaker 1: tell your story better than anybody else, any computer can

1799
01:44:08,360 --> 01:44:10,280
Speaker 1: tell the story. So I'm glad you decided to tell the.

1800
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:16,400
Speaker 8: Story talking about and also we will be celebrating it

1801
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:23,240
Speaker 8: this Thursday at Busboys and Ports in Washington, DC fourteenth

1802
01:44:23,320 --> 01:44:26,200
Speaker 8: Street and a firefight chat with none other than doctor

1803
01:44:26,280 --> 01:44:30,320
Speaker 8: Professor Greg Carr. And what's so exciting about this is

1804
01:44:30,400 --> 01:44:35,840
Speaker 8: that Greg Carr wrote these forward to my memoir, you know,

1805
01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:39,160
Speaker 8: six years ago, so we're really coming full Soircle and

1806
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:44,960
Speaker 8: I am just so left that he agreed to write

1807
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:49,640
Speaker 8: this phenomenal forward to my book Black Power. You know,

1808
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:52,400
Speaker 8: black lawyer. So I know, I know you have a

1809
01:44:52,439 --> 01:44:54,080
Speaker 8: lot of breaks, but I want to see if I

1810
01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:56,400
Speaker 8: can just give a little synopsis for you of what

1811
01:44:56,600 --> 01:44:58,040
Speaker 8: the memoir is all about.

1812
01:44:58,439 --> 01:45:00,360
Speaker 1: All right, well hold that to me. Yeah, we gotta

1813
01:45:00,360 --> 01:45:01,800
Speaker 1: take a short day and we come back. I want

1814
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:03,320
Speaker 1: you to give her this synopsis. I also want to

1815
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:06,479
Speaker 1: ask you who inspired you. You know, you said your

1816
01:45:06,520 --> 01:45:09,439
Speaker 1: parents were educators, and you know who did you look

1817
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:12,679
Speaker 1: for advisors? A role model? Do you becoming an attorney?

1818
01:45:13,320 --> 01:45:15,240
Speaker 1: Did she was there a black woman or a male.

1819
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:18,880
Speaker 1: It's a lawyer out there, a black civil rights lawyer

1820
01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:20,720
Speaker 1: that you know that made you wanted. Hey, I want

1821
01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:22,479
Speaker 1: to do what that person's doing. So I want to

1822
01:45:22,479 --> 01:45:24,880
Speaker 1: hear that part as well. Family, you two can join

1823
01:45:24,920 --> 01:45:28,040
Speaker 1: our conversation. She's an activist, she's an author, but she's

1824
01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:30,240
Speaker 1: also an attorney, attorney for the people. Her name is

1825
01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:33,640
Speaker 1: Ankichi Taifa. She's fighting now for reparations for us. What

1826
01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:35,639
Speaker 1: are your thoughts you want to get in on this discussion.

1827
01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:38,799
Speaker 1: Hit us up at eight hundred four five zero seventy

1828
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:41,479
Speaker 1: eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls next.

1829
01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:44,280
Speaker 1: Grand Rising Family, thanks for starting your Tuesday with us.

1830
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:46,799
Speaker 1: Nineteen minutes after the top there with our guest attorney

1831
01:45:46,840 --> 01:45:49,920
Speaker 1: and Kichie Taifa out of Washington, DC. And she's one

1832
01:45:49,960 --> 01:45:53,000
Speaker 1: of these fierce lawyers that we wish we could duplicate

1833
01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:55,240
Speaker 1: her and just you know, et cetera in just every

1834
01:45:55,320 --> 01:45:58,040
Speaker 1: major city around this country for what she does. Right now,

1835
01:45:58,120 --> 01:46:01,400
Speaker 1: she's fighting for reparations for us. She's done written several books.

1836
01:46:02,320 --> 01:46:04,160
Speaker 1: The book that we're talking about this morning, she says,

1837
01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:05,680
Speaker 1: now it's going to be audio. It's going to be

1838
01:46:05,760 --> 01:46:08,640
Speaker 1: released there this week, A Black Power, Black Lawyer, My

1839
01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:12,080
Speaker 1: Audacious Question for Justice, And the book, she says, was

1840
01:46:12,280 --> 01:46:15,559
Speaker 1: actually published six years ago during the COVID but now

1841
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:18,320
Speaker 1: it's just completed it and she did the voice for

1842
01:46:18,640 --> 01:46:21,200
Speaker 1: the audio portion of that book. But my question to you,

1843
01:46:21,320 --> 01:46:23,640
Speaker 1: before you tell us give us a synopsis of the

1844
01:46:23,720 --> 01:46:27,920
Speaker 1: story of your life. Who did you see who was

1845
01:46:27,960 --> 01:46:31,120
Speaker 1: a role model lawyer attorney out there for you? Did

1846
01:46:31,200 --> 01:46:33,559
Speaker 1: you see what was it a male female that you said, Hey,

1847
01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:36,000
Speaker 1: I want to be like that person or was it

1848
01:46:36,120 --> 01:46:38,679
Speaker 1: your parents or what you said to parents were educators?

1849
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:41,719
Speaker 1: Did they push you into the legal issue?

1850
01:46:43,720 --> 01:46:46,080
Speaker 8: So basically it was all of the above. First of all,

1851
01:46:46,160 --> 01:46:52,679
Speaker 8: my father after me always my life, talking about wanting

1852
01:46:52,720 --> 01:46:56,240
Speaker 8: to be a lawyer. After I graduated from college, I

1853
01:46:56,360 --> 01:46:59,000
Speaker 8: did not immediately go to law school. I was part

1854
01:46:59,000 --> 01:47:01,760
Speaker 8: of the independent Black School's movement. And I talked and

1855
01:47:01,880 --> 01:47:05,200
Speaker 8: finally my father just saying, go on and get that

1856
01:47:05,479 --> 01:47:09,080
Speaker 8: guard law degree, and so I did. But what of

1857
01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:13,280
Speaker 8: the person who really moved and roused and excited me

1858
01:47:13,960 --> 01:47:17,160
Speaker 8: once I became a lawyer was none other than my

1859
01:47:17,439 --> 01:47:24,679
Speaker 8: dear revolutionary lawyer called chum Wait Lumuma. And actually recently

1860
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:29,680
Speaker 8: you had on your show his sister Shishana Shakur, who

1861
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:34,360
Speaker 8: wrote anomair about her brother what he called her revolutionary brother.

1862
01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:38,800
Speaker 8: And so he was a main influence once I became

1863
01:47:38,840 --> 01:47:41,320
Speaker 8: a lawyer. But I do want to say that the

1864
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:44,920
Speaker 8: people I dedicated my book to her all had a

1865
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:48,080
Speaker 8: part and not just me becoming a lawyer, of me

1866
01:47:48,240 --> 01:47:51,320
Speaker 8: being the person I am today. And so I dedicated

1867
01:47:51,439 --> 01:47:54,320
Speaker 8: my book to four brothers and four sisters. The four

1868
01:47:54,439 --> 01:48:00,360
Speaker 8: brothers were Reverend Ishaka Musta by Rashankho cousin Imari Buba

1869
01:48:00,479 --> 01:48:05,360
Speaker 8: Kari Oba Delhi former mayor attorney took Kway Luma and

1870
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:09,600
Speaker 8: Boba Kuahme of Fo and the four sisters I dedicated

1871
01:48:09,640 --> 01:48:12,639
Speaker 8: my book to who have profound influence in my life

1872
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:19,240
Speaker 8: were Queen Mother, Hardly More, doctor Francis Crass, wealthy doctor

1873
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:24,760
Speaker 8: Jean Sindab and sister Stapia Bukaria. They're all ancestors. And

1874
01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:28,000
Speaker 8: I vote in the dedications out walked in your midst.

1875
01:48:28,840 --> 01:48:33,600
Speaker 8: You inspired me, you taught me, you grounded me, and

1876
01:48:33,840 --> 01:48:38,719
Speaker 8: now you are ancestors. Rest in peace and power, knowing

1877
01:48:38,920 --> 01:48:41,280
Speaker 8: that the struggle continues.

1878
01:48:43,400 --> 01:48:46,160
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure they're pleased with the outcome. Again, they're

1879
01:48:46,160 --> 01:48:48,400
Speaker 1: looking looking down on your sister and ketch and see

1880
01:48:48,439 --> 01:48:51,360
Speaker 1: what you've you've you've achieved so far. But may I

1881
01:48:51,439 --> 01:48:53,519
Speaker 1: ask you this though, because I know at times it

1882
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:57,799
Speaker 1: looks like the fight is too too large, the opponent

1883
01:48:57,960 --> 01:49:00,559
Speaker 1: is bigger than what you are and seems like you'll

1884
01:49:00,600 --> 01:49:04,280
Speaker 1: never achieve it, which you'd never give up. Where did that?

1885
01:49:04,439 --> 01:49:06,960
Speaker 1: Where did that? I guess we're shilling though af we

1886
01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:09,160
Speaker 1: soffer a setback? Where did that come from?

1887
01:49:10,280 --> 01:49:12,559
Speaker 8: I can just tell you right now. It came from

1888
01:49:12,600 --> 01:49:17,240
Speaker 8: the concept of perseverance, which again I gotta give the

1889
01:49:17,320 --> 01:49:20,200
Speaker 8: kudos to my daddy, because all through our life he

1890
01:49:20,400 --> 01:49:24,280
Speaker 8: was always talking about perseverance, never giving up. And it

1891
01:49:24,479 --> 01:49:27,840
Speaker 8: wasn't until after he passed much later on, but I

1892
01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:33,439
Speaker 8: realized that perseverance was one of the tenants of the fraternity.

1893
01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:34,040
Speaker 5: That he was in.

1894
01:49:34,200 --> 01:49:35,560
Speaker 8: I won't even say what it is when I know

1895
01:49:35,720 --> 01:49:39,120
Speaker 8: people get all up in whatever about fraternities and famarities,

1896
01:49:39,200 --> 01:49:43,840
Speaker 8: but one of those tenants of that was persverance. And

1897
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:46,639
Speaker 8: my father is still that in me, and I carried

1898
01:49:46,760 --> 01:49:52,160
Speaker 8: off throughout my life, never giving up, always having hope,

1899
01:49:52,479 --> 01:49:55,880
Speaker 8: always having faith, and always having determination.

1900
01:49:57,479 --> 01:49:59,760
Speaker 1: Right at twenty three at the time, there family just

1901
01:50:00,120 --> 01:50:02,320
Speaker 1: and I guess you's in Keachie Teyvish, an attorney based

1902
01:50:02,360 --> 01:50:05,160
Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. Talking about her lady. But before that,

1903
01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:08,439
Speaker 1: you did a book about reparations, Reparations on fire, how

1904
01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:11,560
Speaker 1: and white spreading across America. Why did you decide to

1905
01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:12,840
Speaker 1: get into the reparations fight.

1906
01:50:14,040 --> 01:50:17,639
Speaker 8: Well, shoot, I didn't just get into the reparation's fight.

1907
01:50:17,720 --> 01:50:20,280
Speaker 8: I've been dealing with reparations ever since I was a teen.

1908
01:50:20,360 --> 01:50:22,760
Speaker 8: Major again. I got to go back to the Black

1909
01:50:22,840 --> 01:50:26,160
Speaker 8: Panther Party. I used to sell their papers on the

1910
01:50:26,200 --> 01:50:28,600
Speaker 8: sheets to washing in DC. And one day I just

1911
01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:30,879
Speaker 8: sat down on the curve. You know, I'm like sixteen

1912
01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:33,400
Speaker 8: years old. They actually opened up the paper and they

1913
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:36,160
Speaker 8: came up into the center fold, which they talked about

1914
01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:38,920
Speaker 8: what we want, what we believe in point number three

1915
01:50:39,320 --> 01:50:42,920
Speaker 8: was talking about we something about we want to stop

1916
01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:46,519
Speaker 8: the robbery of the capitalists, about community, and we demand

1917
01:50:46,600 --> 01:50:49,200
Speaker 8: the overdue death of forty acres and two mules and

1918
01:50:49,320 --> 01:50:52,600
Speaker 8: all of that stuff. I said, Wow, that makes a

1919
01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:56,320
Speaker 8: lot of sense. So again, I've been talking about reparations

1920
01:50:56,520 --> 01:50:59,120
Speaker 8: all my life. Most of the time I was ready

1921
01:50:59,160 --> 01:51:02,200
Speaker 8: cue I was left and you know, saying, oh, you

1922
01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:05,479
Speaker 8: know they can't you know, that will never happen. But

1923
01:51:05,960 --> 01:51:08,479
Speaker 8: when twenty twenty came out, and even when my both

1924
01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:11,320
Speaker 8: my book, there's a lot about reparations in there, but

1925
01:51:11,479 --> 01:51:14,240
Speaker 8: not it's much about what's happening now. Because at the

1926
01:51:14,360 --> 01:51:18,000
Speaker 8: time when my book came out, preparations was just beginning

1927
01:51:18,120 --> 01:51:21,519
Speaker 8: to hit the mainstream. The twenty twenty candidates for the

1928
01:51:22,040 --> 01:51:26,960
Speaker 8: presidential election Democratic we're talking about it several years earlier.

1929
01:51:27,080 --> 01:51:30,760
Speaker 8: Town of hockey coaches that come out with this. It's

1930
01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:34,240
Speaker 8: article in the Atlantic, the Case for Reparations, and it

1931
01:51:34,520 --> 01:51:38,080
Speaker 8: just kind of exploded. So of course I was in

1932
01:51:38,200 --> 01:51:40,439
Speaker 8: the center and in the central of all of it,

1933
01:51:40,720 --> 01:51:44,040
Speaker 8: because again it was not anything new for me. It

1934
01:51:44,160 --> 01:51:49,080
Speaker 8: had been part of my whole life's trajectory. So that's

1935
01:51:49,120 --> 01:51:54,519
Speaker 8: what not power Black Lawyers. Basically, it's about the story

1936
01:51:55,479 --> 01:52:01,160
Speaker 8: of a girl who becomes a revolutionary dictionary who becomes

1937
01:52:01,200 --> 01:52:04,640
Speaker 8: a lawyer, and a lawyer who fights for justice. You

1938
01:52:04,680 --> 01:52:10,280
Speaker 8: see my memoirs. This is suspense and calamity and humor

1939
01:52:10,840 --> 01:52:16,360
Speaker 8: and witch It's what I call a tapestry of history, politics, law, culture,

1940
01:52:16,439 --> 01:52:21,880
Speaker 8: and yes, romance. Okay, it's both serious and it is scandalous.

1941
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:26,360
Speaker 8: But my audacious quests for justice what it is called

1942
01:52:26,720 --> 01:52:31,920
Speaker 8: in a gripping commentary on life and the ever present

1943
01:52:32,160 --> 01:52:36,760
Speaker 8: nature of human resistance against a pressures and mind, my

1944
01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:40,759
Speaker 8: personal earnest and brace of what is fair and correct.

1945
01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:44,559
Speaker 8: My book is sometimes law. I'm just telling you, it's

1946
01:52:44,640 --> 01:52:49,240
Speaker 8: sometimes embraced it and yeah, it's sometimes passionate, okay, But

1947
01:52:49,400 --> 01:52:53,240
Speaker 8: what it does is I offer my truth. I also

1948
01:52:53,439 --> 01:52:58,599
Speaker 8: it unapologetically and unfiltered, and I offer it with honesty

1949
01:52:58,880 --> 01:53:02,599
Speaker 8: and with authenticity. They called I just want to say

1950
01:53:03,200 --> 01:53:08,679
Speaker 8: that my memoir really is the story of a quest

1951
01:53:08,680 --> 01:53:11,639
Speaker 8: that you don't hear much about. It is the search

1952
01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:16,080
Speaker 8: for those who resist and those who are rebellious. It's

1953
01:53:16,160 --> 01:53:19,400
Speaker 8: the pursuit of issues on the cutting edge. There are

1954
01:53:19,479 --> 01:53:23,880
Speaker 8: many memoirs called that are out there that chronical great

1955
01:53:24,360 --> 01:53:28,160
Speaker 8: iconic leaders who show for justice during the civil rights era,

1956
01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:32,200
Speaker 8: but there is highly anything out there dealing with the

1957
01:53:32,360 --> 01:53:39,400
Speaker 8: transformative journeys but self realization of just ordinary people, ordinary

1958
01:53:39,439 --> 01:53:44,439
Speaker 8: people like myself going up during the tumultous era of

1959
01:53:44,640 --> 01:53:47,760
Speaker 8: black power. So what my book, Black Power, Black Lady does,

1960
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:54,200
Speaker 8: It gives a uniquely personal glimpse from an insider's perspective.

1961
01:53:54,520 --> 01:53:58,200
Speaker 8: It's little known and little understood parts of this country's history,

1962
01:53:58,280 --> 01:54:02,519
Speaker 8: from the more from Juice, see story of the more

1963
01:54:02,880 --> 01:54:06,879
Speaker 8: of controversial or militant aspects of the Black Bridge to struggle,

1964
01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:10,680
Speaker 8: to the craziness of congressional shaftage makers. Because I was

1965
01:54:10,760 --> 01:54:13,479
Speaker 8: an insider as well as an outsider to also the

1966
01:54:13,560 --> 01:54:19,320
Speaker 8: pivotal role of what we call strange befellows. So it's serious,

1967
01:54:19,479 --> 01:54:23,840
Speaker 8: but it's awful, scandalous, lot'll Jack, but it's all about.

1968
01:54:23,640 --> 01:54:27,320
Speaker 1: Me twenty seven of the top hour. Then Kichi tay

1969
01:54:27,439 --> 01:54:30,040
Speaker 1: for family. You two can join this discussion eight hundred

1970
01:54:30,120 --> 01:54:33,560
Speaker 1: four five zero seventy eight seventy six. And k I

1971
01:54:33,600 --> 01:54:35,200
Speaker 1: got to ask you this though, when when you decided

1972
01:54:35,320 --> 01:54:39,200
Speaker 1: to join the Panthers, did that cause any issues at home?

1973
01:54:39,240 --> 01:54:41,400
Speaker 1: Because you know, back in the day, the Panthers, the

1974
01:54:41,600 --> 01:54:45,960
Speaker 1: Black Panthers and the Nation of Islam, they used to

1975
01:54:45,960 --> 01:54:49,440
Speaker 1: call them Black Muslims. Back then, they were not really

1976
01:54:49,600 --> 01:54:52,360
Speaker 1: welcome in the entire black community, you know, so most

1977
01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:55,040
Speaker 1: of the older heads and you know, sort of pushon

1978
01:54:55,080 --> 01:54:57,800
Speaker 1: on the side because they didn't like that revolutionary stuff.

1979
01:54:57,840 --> 01:55:00,080
Speaker 1: Did you get that that that I.

1980
01:55:01,720 --> 01:55:04,160
Speaker 8: Got straightened this up for a moment, My brother, I

1981
01:55:04,400 --> 01:55:07,400
Speaker 8: was never a member of the Black Panther Party. I

1982
01:55:07,560 --> 01:55:08,200
Speaker 8: was a supporter.

1983
01:55:08,440 --> 01:55:08,920
Speaker 13: I used to.

1984
01:55:10,640 --> 01:55:13,160
Speaker 8: Go to their office. I was in DC. That's where

1985
01:55:13,160 --> 01:55:18,280
Speaker 8: I met a sister who everyone always respects our names.

1986
01:55:18,320 --> 01:55:20,600
Speaker 8: Her name she's an answer name now. Her name was

1987
01:55:20,640 --> 01:55:24,560
Speaker 8: in Kenji Terree, Okay. She was helping to conduct PE

1988
01:55:24,880 --> 01:55:28,120
Speaker 8: classes and her name at that time was Anita. And

1989
01:55:28,280 --> 01:55:29,960
Speaker 8: actually my name, my birth name.

1990
01:55:29,920 --> 01:55:30,360
Speaker 16: Was Anita.

1991
01:55:30,440 --> 01:55:33,200
Speaker 8: So we had that you know, simbling, but most of

1992
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:35,000
Speaker 8: the time I gotta be real for you.

1993
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:35,360
Speaker 17: You know.

1994
01:55:35,800 --> 01:55:37,840
Speaker 8: I was mostly sitting on the lap of that fine

1995
01:55:38,120 --> 01:55:41,600
Speaker 8: panther brother who was sitting in the front office. I

1996
01:55:41,680 --> 01:55:44,280
Speaker 8: was supposed to be pulled in security, but I was there.

1997
01:55:44,480 --> 01:55:47,320
Speaker 8: I was president. I was never a panther, you know.

1998
01:55:47,400 --> 01:55:50,520
Speaker 8: But I used to sell their I used to sell

1999
01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:51,480
Speaker 8: their newspapers.

2000
01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:52,120
Speaker 5: Uh.

2001
01:55:52,560 --> 01:55:56,480
Speaker 8: And I was just involved in any and everything. I

2002
01:55:56,560 --> 01:56:02,400
Speaker 8: had a young inquisitive and embraced everything. At that time,

2003
01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:06,320
Speaker 8: the Panthers were kind of spelling hole steale, chairman mouth say,

2004
01:56:06,400 --> 01:56:09,240
Speaker 8: Tone's little Red book. This was at the height of

2005
01:56:09,320 --> 01:56:14,680
Speaker 8: the Chinese cultural revolution. And I remember the brother that

2006
01:56:15,440 --> 01:56:16,839
Speaker 8: loves to sit on his lap.

2007
01:56:16,840 --> 01:56:17,000
Speaker 13: You know.

2008
01:56:17,480 --> 01:56:21,720
Speaker 8: I said, oh, why was your book? And he said,

2009
01:56:21,800 --> 01:56:23,920
Speaker 8: of course you can have it, you know. He said, well,

2010
01:56:23,920 --> 01:56:25,800
Speaker 8: I need to give it back. And he said, my sister,

2011
01:56:26,360 --> 01:56:30,040
Speaker 8: when you have internalized it's teaching, so you know, to

2012
01:56:30,160 --> 01:56:32,880
Speaker 8: my little young mind, I said, okay, now you know.

2013
01:56:33,360 --> 01:56:38,840
Speaker 8: So anyway, my memoir it's memoir. It's part memoir, it's

2014
01:56:38,920 --> 01:56:43,160
Speaker 8: part textbook, it's part study guide, and it is part

2015
01:56:43,360 --> 01:56:46,840
Speaker 8: exposed day. But what it teaches and it preaches it

2016
01:56:47,080 --> 01:56:53,760
Speaker 8: rhapsodizes and in tantalizes, but again it offers my truth unapologetically,

2017
01:56:54,160 --> 01:56:58,400
Speaker 8: and I'm filtered. It's very honest, and that's very it's

2018
01:56:58,480 --> 01:57:01,680
Speaker 8: full of fervor. And if I can, I just want

2019
01:57:01,720 --> 01:57:03,800
Speaker 8: to just tell you some of the titles of some

2020
01:57:03,960 --> 01:57:08,680
Speaker 8: of the chapters in the book and us off. What

2021
01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:15,200
Speaker 8: do you call it? A very full book? Okay, it's

2022
01:57:15,400 --> 01:57:20,000
Speaker 8: it's about about three hundred and fifty pages and it

2023
01:57:20,080 --> 01:57:23,480
Speaker 8: has how many chapters? Ten chapters? Oh, let me just

2024
01:57:23,600 --> 01:57:27,240
Speaker 8: mention something else. On the lawyer's side. The book came

2025
01:57:27,280 --> 01:57:29,680
Speaker 8: out six years ago. And there's people that I talked

2026
01:57:29,680 --> 01:57:32,760
Speaker 8: about in the book who I was companies to represent

2027
01:57:33,200 --> 01:57:39,120
Speaker 8: for advocating for who are now three, such as h

2028
01:57:40,120 --> 01:57:42,880
Speaker 8: William Underwood. That's some old Portan that William un George.

2029
01:57:42,920 --> 01:57:46,360
Speaker 8: Really he had thirty three years a life without parole

2030
01:57:46,520 --> 01:57:49,480
Speaker 8: mandatory minimum up said as I was able to bring

2031
01:57:49,600 --> 01:57:53,320
Speaker 8: him home the audible markets. Messiah Garvey, he's in the book.

2032
01:57:53,360 --> 01:57:57,280
Speaker 8: We was working towards a possumous audiency. We got that

2033
01:57:57,520 --> 01:58:02,680
Speaker 8: achieved since the book came out. Booju Banson boo too Badson.

2034
01:58:03,080 --> 01:58:07,200
Speaker 8: I ended up representing him in his clemency campaign and

2035
01:58:08,280 --> 01:58:12,000
Speaker 8: took over that case from Brother trop Way Lamoumba after

2036
01:58:12,120 --> 01:58:15,600
Speaker 8: he passed and from Brother Charles's overtree after he began.

2037
01:58:15,480 --> 01:58:16,600
Speaker 13: To have He was talking.

2038
01:58:16,640 --> 01:58:19,400
Speaker 8: We talked kids, home things, your maker right now, them

2039
01:58:19,560 --> 01:58:24,760
Speaker 8: still penning, you know, fabulous phenomenal music. The political prisoners

2040
01:58:24,800 --> 01:58:28,560
Speaker 8: I helped to represent, whether with Sudapolee or doctor mcdoolah

2041
01:58:29,080 --> 01:58:32,600
Speaker 8: shakour their home down say cool Dinga is home now.

2042
01:58:32,920 --> 01:58:35,040
Speaker 8: When I say home now, some of them have passed

2043
01:58:35,080 --> 01:58:38,840
Speaker 8: on and are their ancestors, those who are advocated for,

2044
01:58:39,080 --> 01:58:41,760
Speaker 8: such as Michelle McGee or who I remember I used

2045
01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:44,280
Speaker 8: to write letters to Michelle McGee. We're talking about way

2046
01:58:44,320 --> 01:58:47,800
Speaker 8: back in the seventies, the co defender of Angela Davis,

2047
01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:50,360
Speaker 8: who we know all about, but Hardy no one knew

2048
01:58:50,680 --> 01:58:53,920
Speaker 8: about Rochelle McGee. He came home during that time.

2049
01:58:54,400 --> 01:58:55,080
Speaker 3: The home.

2050
01:58:56,920 --> 01:58:59,640
Speaker 8: Issues that I've worked on through most of my career.

2051
01:59:00,080 --> 01:59:02,080
Speaker 8: You know me about what I'm doing now in the

2052
01:59:02,200 --> 01:59:05,120
Speaker 8: public reparations, But for most of my career I've worked

2053
01:59:05,160 --> 01:59:09,440
Speaker 8: on our issues on criminal legal system, criminal punishment, system

2054
01:59:09,760 --> 01:59:13,879
Speaker 8: of reform. From the issue issues we gained the passage

2055
01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:16,879
Speaker 8: to the second chance, the Entry Bill in two thousand

2056
01:59:16,920 --> 01:59:19,880
Speaker 8: and I forgot when it was two or five something

2057
01:59:19,960 --> 01:59:23,840
Speaker 8: like that. I've worked very feviously place seventeen long years

2058
01:59:24,240 --> 01:59:31,840
Speaker 8: to to delete the disparities between crack and powder cocaine.

2059
01:59:32,120 --> 01:59:35,320
Speaker 8: We were successful and lessening there from that infamous on

2060
01:59:35,360 --> 01:59:38,520
Speaker 8: one hundred to one quantity racial to eighteen to one.

2061
01:59:38,680 --> 01:59:41,760
Speaker 8: That was in twenty ten. I worked Revard with the

2062
01:59:41,960 --> 01:59:46,520
Speaker 8: Barber administration on the exclimency campaign and we brought over

2063
01:59:46,680 --> 01:59:52,480
Speaker 8: fifteen people homes are unjustly incarcerated from law mandatory minimum

2064
01:59:52,560 --> 01:59:57,200
Speaker 8: sentences in twenty sixteen. Those the book stands all of that,

2065
01:59:57,480 --> 02:00:01,400
Speaker 8: my early revolutionary stuff, my years and howbout university, my

2066
02:00:02,120 --> 02:00:07,720
Speaker 8: soutful claim person that's a poetist, shad say, all the

2067
02:00:07,800 --> 02:00:11,240
Speaker 8: way up through going to law school. I mean, oh

2068
02:00:11,320 --> 02:00:17,240
Speaker 8: my god, it's just so much of the book, reading

2069
02:00:17,280 --> 02:00:21,480
Speaker 8: of rept three different times. I mean, the list those

2070
02:00:22,800 --> 02:00:23,520
Speaker 8: the list goes on.

2071
02:00:23,560 --> 02:00:25,760
Speaker 1: Any yeah, well, well tell us about one of the

2072
02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:27,360
Speaker 1: arrest What was that like? Because you you're on the

2073
02:00:27,640 --> 02:00:30,640
Speaker 1: you now you're on the other side. So after you

2074
02:00:30,840 --> 02:00:31,760
Speaker 1: got arrested, I don't know.

2075
02:00:31,800 --> 02:00:32,680
Speaker 7: What it was for what what?

2076
02:00:32,840 --> 02:00:32,880
Speaker 13: What?

2077
02:00:33,040 --> 02:00:33,680
Speaker 6: What was that like?

2078
02:00:33,880 --> 02:00:34,120
Speaker 5: Clean?

2079
02:00:34,520 --> 02:00:37,080
Speaker 8: I'm going clean that up. I mean, you know, this

2080
02:00:37,280 --> 02:00:39,640
Speaker 8: is nothing like John Lewis and New Folk on the

2081
02:00:40,440 --> 02:00:43,040
Speaker 8: uh what was at the Edmond Pennis Bridge and Salmon.

2082
02:00:43,080 --> 02:00:45,560
Speaker 8: We're not talking about nothing like that. We're talking about

2083
02:00:45,640 --> 02:00:46,800
Speaker 8: stage to rest.

2084
02:00:47,000 --> 02:00:47,160
Speaker 9: You know.

2085
02:00:47,400 --> 02:00:52,520
Speaker 8: The first time was uh me right after I graduated

2086
02:00:52,560 --> 02:00:55,600
Speaker 8: from law school and some of the South African Embassy,

2087
02:00:55,680 --> 02:00:59,880
Speaker 8: you know, watching and demonstrating for the freedom of Nelson

2088
02:01:00,120 --> 02:01:03,560
Speaker 8: men telling So I got a restaurant with Jesse Jackson Regor.

2089
02:01:03,720 --> 02:01:09,520
Speaker 8: You know the plastic cuse our release was was unegotiated

2090
02:01:09,640 --> 02:01:11,360
Speaker 8: in advance. You know, I just had to sit in

2091
02:01:11,400 --> 02:01:13,480
Speaker 8: the precinct. I was one of the last ones to

2092
02:01:13,520 --> 02:01:19,560
Speaker 8: get relieved because I wasn't famous like Jesse and you

2093
02:01:19,680 --> 02:01:20,440
Speaker 8: know and all like that.

2094
02:01:20,560 --> 02:01:21,520
Speaker 14: But that was one time.

2095
02:01:21,920 --> 02:01:24,880
Speaker 8: Another time was in front of the Long work House

2096
02:01:25,080 --> 02:01:29,280
Speaker 8: Office Building, Congressional Building, where again we were demonstrating industry

2097
02:01:29,400 --> 02:01:32,560
Speaker 8: for what you guessed that they could for the District

2098
02:01:32,680 --> 02:01:36,960
Speaker 8: of Columbia. Again stage arrest, you know, charges dropped and

2099
02:01:37,000 --> 02:01:40,000
Speaker 8: all like that. And the third time was in Lafayette

2100
02:01:40,040 --> 02:01:44,240
Speaker 8: Park across from the White House, when we were demonstrating

2101
02:01:44,400 --> 02:01:48,720
Speaker 8: for democracy in the Hiaiti. Okay, again the same thing,

2102
02:01:49,400 --> 02:01:53,640
Speaker 8: but what can it called I am five months pregnant,

2103
02:01:54,880 --> 02:01:59,360
Speaker 8: telling back from a friend of mine's wedding in Grenada

2104
02:01:59,600 --> 02:02:02,240
Speaker 8: at the time. The important we always is sposting party

2105
02:02:02,240 --> 02:02:05,720
Speaker 8: in the United States. I'm five months pregnant and I'm detained.

2106
02:02:06,520 --> 02:02:11,120
Speaker 8: I am detained because they claimed there was some some

2107
02:02:11,520 --> 02:02:15,320
Speaker 8: list or something along those lines. And I've been to Libya. Boy,

2108
02:02:15,400 --> 02:02:17,760
Speaker 8: let me tell you, I've not. I'd never been to Libya,

2109
02:02:18,520 --> 02:02:20,520
Speaker 8: but I knew a whole lot of my brother's and sisters,

2110
02:02:20,640 --> 02:02:23,880
Speaker 8: my comments who have been. But I didn't feel the

2111
02:02:23,960 --> 02:02:26,920
Speaker 8: need to share that information. But they say, no, yes

2112
02:02:26,960 --> 02:02:29,080
Speaker 8: you have. We see your name and this rolling through

2113
02:02:29,120 --> 02:02:29,800
Speaker 8: this thing.

2114
02:02:30,280 --> 02:02:30,440
Speaker 5: You know.

2115
02:02:30,960 --> 02:02:34,240
Speaker 8: You know I'm saying, you're detaining me. I'm a lawyer,

2116
02:02:34,360 --> 02:02:36,000
Speaker 8: you know this and that and the other. So that's

2117
02:02:36,040 --> 02:02:38,640
Speaker 8: the only time I guess I was really, really, really

2118
02:02:39,000 --> 02:02:42,520
Speaker 8: detained for something. I was not trying to be detained

2119
02:02:42,760 --> 02:02:46,200
Speaker 8: or a rest boy. But that brings me to the

2120
02:02:46,280 --> 02:02:49,400
Speaker 8: issue of Cointelpaul, because that's all throughout the book. Again.

2121
02:02:49,800 --> 02:02:53,520
Speaker 8: The FBI is one secret, quite illegal campaign to disrupt

2122
02:02:53,800 --> 02:02:58,040
Speaker 8: and destroy the music right there day.

2123
02:02:58,080 --> 02:02:59,600
Speaker 1: And we got to step aside for a few months

2124
02:02:59,640 --> 02:03:01,840
Speaker 1: and we come I want you to get into that cointel, bro,

2125
02:03:01,960 --> 02:03:04,160
Speaker 1: because you know, some people think that it's ended. It's not.

2126
02:03:04,440 --> 02:03:07,200
Speaker 1: It's still here. We still got agents amongst us. So

2127
02:03:07,520 --> 02:03:09,440
Speaker 1: I want to hear your thoughts and how do you

2128
02:03:09,640 --> 02:03:12,360
Speaker 1: deal with the double agents, the people that sell that

2129
02:03:12,520 --> 02:03:14,720
Speaker 1: sell us out. Family, You two can jump in on

2130
02:03:14,840 --> 02:03:17,200
Speaker 1: this conversation. I guess she's an attorney, she's an authice,

2131
02:03:17,200 --> 02:03:17,919
Speaker 1: she's an activist.

2132
02:03:18,000 --> 02:03:18,360
Speaker 5: Is she here?

2133
02:03:18,560 --> 02:03:21,120
Speaker 1: Her name is aunt Kei che Taifan. She's based in Washington, DC.

2134
02:03:21,240 --> 02:03:23,360
Speaker 1: You want to join the discussion, reach out to us

2135
02:03:23,400 --> 02:03:27,080
Speaker 1: at eight hundred four y five zero seventy eight seventy six.

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Speaker 1: We'll take you phone calls next Andy Grant Rising family,

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Speaker 1: thanks for starting your Tuesday with us at eighteen minutes

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Speaker 1: away from the top of the AL. I guess is

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Speaker 1: the attorney in Kichie Tayifi. She's based in Washington DC. Later,

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Speaker 1: this is morng We're going to speak at Entertainer Kandy

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Speaker 1: State and later this week we have Contracosta College professor

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Speaker 1: Main new and Pim stopping by, also natural paddic and

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Speaker 1: also holistic doctor Doctor A will be with us. So

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Speaker 1: if you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep that

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Speaker 1: radio locked in tight on ten ten wlb are you

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Speaker 1: free in the DMV era around fourteen fifty wol Sister

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Speaker 1: and Keche Why did you finish your thought that we

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Speaker 1: got some folks questions for you?

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Speaker 8: Okay? I think I was saying something about cointelpro the

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Speaker 8: FBI right deep a legal campaign to disrupt and destroy

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Speaker 8: the movement. You know, co and Telpoe was an is

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Speaker 8: as you said, very very bout his story I tell

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Speaker 8: about in the book. Back in the seventies, I had

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Speaker 8: a Saturday school for children that was located in the

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Speaker 8: temple of the Black Spire Revenue Chaka Musip about Shango's

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Speaker 8: church at the time, which was this was long before

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Speaker 8: Buck Sports and Poets across the street. This was long

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Speaker 8: before the bed Center opened up. It basically was a

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Speaker 8: Loki come very much black community. And I had people

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Speaker 8: children in my Saturday school from the movement, children belonging

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Speaker 8: Toilani's children and and Kinji inter children off from the movement,

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Speaker 8: but also had community children who were there. And we

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Speaker 8: went with history and black studies, and we took them

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Speaker 8: on cultural field trips and we you know, getting them

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Speaker 8: cookies and snacks, and they even had homework well, what time.

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Speaker 8: All the time, I noticed that the community children had

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Speaker 8: stopped coming to the Saturday school, and I did not

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Speaker 8: find out until decades later. Okay, so I bumped into

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Speaker 8: one of them and they said, oh, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 8: my mother told me that the FBI was coming around

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Speaker 8: the neighborhood telling them not to send children to my

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Speaker 8: Saturday school because we would be poisoning them. I felt

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Speaker 8: the nerves, the audacity. All we were doing was a

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Speaker 8: free Saturday school. All we were trying to do was

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Speaker 8: in part knowledge and history and culture and fly to

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Speaker 8: the children's futs off For that tynical of the US

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Speaker 8: government to drop that low to stop children from getting

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Speaker 8: an education that they weren't getting in school, he said,

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Speaker 8: really really bocked my soul. So that's just a personal

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Speaker 8: example I know about I don't know about all the others,

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Speaker 8: but I have seen so many ages, particularly for me,

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Speaker 8: mariover Delli's files Republic of New Alphaca to a p

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Speaker 8: new movement, the Black Panther Party in the life of

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Speaker 8: pages of pages of blackouts, you know, like they adapted,

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Speaker 8: like you're seeing that thing's files you know today, But

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Speaker 8: talking about the lists that they went to just rup

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Speaker 8: and destroy the movement from forged letters okay to assassinations okay,

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Speaker 8: do you know it just it just ran the camber.

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Speaker 8: And it's surprising that the movement still survives today basically

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Speaker 8: based on the measures that agents went to destroy us before.

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Speaker 5: So what do we do?

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Speaker 1: Do we point them out or we just just you know,

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Speaker 1: it's just okay, we know that an agent, So which

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Speaker 1: we work around them? How do you think we should

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Speaker 1: handling because as I mentioned, they're still here.

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Speaker 8: Well, you know, for someone like me, I was always

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Speaker 8: an overgrown person. I had nothing to hide. I wasn't

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Speaker 8: doing anything you know, a quote unquote illegal by the system.

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Speaker 8: I was always in front of a microphone or this

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Speaker 8: or that and the other. There were other parts of

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Speaker 8: the movement that we call the underground, that were more

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Speaker 8: cleansing death Stine and that the movie that aside the

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Speaker 8: Shakur you know, was part of and who basically was

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Speaker 8: free from prison by the underground and was able to

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Speaker 8: receive exile in Cuba, the very very important part of

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Speaker 8: the movement. It's the overground, the underground. So what do

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Speaker 8: you do? I mean, you have to basically keep your

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Speaker 8: eyes open, Okay, don't always accept things at face value

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Speaker 8: because there's so much sewing of distrust and decision pitching

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Speaker 8: boots against each other. We see it today, but you

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Speaker 8: never know if it's something behind that. We all have disagreements,

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Speaker 8: we do not speak with the same voice, all of us.

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Speaker 8: We are about perspectives. But when a particular perspective is

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Speaker 8: unjustifiably blown out of proportion of that's where we gotta

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Speaker 8: really be careful. Be careful of people, particularly if you're

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Speaker 8: part of what is called, you know, the photograph school.

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Speaker 8: Try to steer you to do something that you would

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Speaker 8: not ordinarily do. Keep your eyes open, you know, for

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Speaker 8: things like that got you.

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Speaker 1: And also watch the ones who like to attack other

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Speaker 1: black folks in public because usually they're on the payroad

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Speaker 1: for somebody else.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, part and partful of it, yes, yep.

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Speaker 1: Fourteen away from the top there, Brother College is joined us.

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Speaker 1: He's online. One he's calling from Waldorf and Maryland, Grand Rising,

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Speaker 1: Brother College. You're on with attorney and Kichi Taifa, Grand.

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Speaker 9: Rising, My dear brother and my dear sister. I appreciate

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Speaker 9: your your passion and your personal vance. Have a two

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Speaker 9: part question for you. One number one when Merroell Bowser

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Speaker 9: removed the Black Lives Plaza and ensemble from the walkway

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Speaker 9: in Washington, D C.

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Speaker 17: What did you think of that?

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Speaker 9: And would you have done that if you were the mayor?

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Speaker 9: That's my first question.

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Speaker 8: I'll answered that for a tell, no, I would not

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Speaker 8: have done that. What did I think about that? I

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Speaker 8: was p I s s ed exclamation ecavation, excavation w Next.

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Speaker 9: Question, okay, all right, you could have said that more precisely.

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Speaker 9: Second question would be this the subplanation of the law

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Speaker 9: which correlates into a double standard when it is applied

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Speaker 9: to us as African Americans here in this America, that

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Speaker 9: super nation of law, that twisting over law, of that

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02:10:09,040 --> 02:10:16,080
Speaker 9: double standard of application. How can we deal with that

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Speaker 9: and overcome that because we sit every day and the

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Speaker 9: police practices and in other aspects of our life. My

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Speaker 9: dear sister, and I appreciate you, thank you, Yes, my

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Speaker 9: good brother.

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Speaker 1: Well, don't you be here for a second though thought

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Speaker 1: in case as an attorney, because I heard what the

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Speaker 1: question of brother Collus. But I want to ask this

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Speaker 1: and you can answer both our questions as an attorney,

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Speaker 1: do you believe there's two kinds of justices in this country?

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Speaker 1: And I just want to throw that on top. I

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Speaker 1: thought that's where brother Coss was going.

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Speaker 8: But go ahead, yeah, thank you. Well, you know it's

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Speaker 8: not justice, it is what it is, just us, okay.

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Speaker 8: And I really spent most of my career as a

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Speaker 8: lawyer fighting against that concert of just fighting against that

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02:11:03,320 --> 02:11:06,320
Speaker 8: double standard. In fact that such step before. I spent

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Speaker 8: really seventeen years, spanning three different organizations that I work for,

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Speaker 8: fighting against disparity and penalty between crack and powder cocaine. Okay,

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Speaker 8: And I talk about that in the book. And you know,

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Speaker 8: the trials and tribulations of AGAs not that advocating for

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Speaker 8: anyone to do or use drugs, but when you have

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Speaker 8: a sentence, okay that is so far more severe than

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Speaker 8: the same sentence for the exact same amount of power

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Speaker 8: co gain, you know, than craft. And when the majority

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Speaker 8: of people being arrested for crack cocaine offenses are us

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Speaker 8: a black boat, something is wrong with that picture. And

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Speaker 8: it's one of the main reasons that we have the

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Speaker 8: massive conservation that we have today. And it does not

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Speaker 8: we doesn't just show itself in the drugs in the

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Speaker 8: way the police police our communities, you know, we know,

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Speaker 8: all all of that stuff. I talk about a lot

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Speaker 8: of this as part of my career as a lawyer

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Speaker 8: in the book, you know, the disproportionate police practices against

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Speaker 8: black people versus you know, white people and the like.

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Speaker 8: So it's all about is it justice or is it

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02:12:26,240 --> 02:12:29,080
Speaker 8: just us? Call that you ask the question, and then

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Speaker 8: again I submiss it is just us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know, attorneys are taught that it's not

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Speaker 1: justice whatever it is, it's the law, and you follow

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02:12:37,600 --> 02:12:39,720
Speaker 1: the letter to the law. But you're saying it starts

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02:12:39,800 --> 02:12:43,800
Speaker 1: before the before the person's charge or accused. It's how

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02:12:43,880 --> 02:12:45,920
Speaker 1: the laws are written. Is that where the problem is.

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Speaker 8: There's always the involved. The laws are not written to us, Okay,

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Speaker 8: or if it is, if the laws was called, my

2288
02:12:57,200 --> 02:13:00,400
Speaker 8: brain's gone here. But you know, equal equality or whatever.

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02:13:00,640 --> 02:13:05,440
Speaker 8: The way it is practiced, you know is different. Even

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02:13:05,600 --> 02:13:12,160
Speaker 8: this is not anything new that during the the overt

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02:13:13,160 --> 02:13:16,640
Speaker 8: Jim Crow segregation of archeype things I say overt is

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Speaker 8: still going on today more covertly.

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Speaker 13: Uh.

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Speaker 8: But you know you didn't even tell the opportunity to

2295
02:13:23,480 --> 02:13:25,840
Speaker 8: get to the court house to have a child because

2296
02:13:25,880 --> 02:13:31,360
Speaker 8: you would abducted, okay, and uh, you know, and and

2297
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Speaker 8: lynch before there was even a Choung Oh. I have

2298
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Speaker 8: a home section of lynch scenes in my book itself.

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Speaker 8: I mean, if anybody wants a soul through history and

2300
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Speaker 8: a sorole through current events, take to pick up the book. Well,

2301
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Speaker 8: listen to the audiobook Black Power, Black Lawyer, My audacious quest, uh,

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Speaker 8: you know, for a justice and going into the law

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02:13:54,400 --> 02:13:59,640
Speaker 8: parties where even when I wasn't dealing with criminal justice cases,

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02:13:59,680 --> 02:14:06,280
Speaker 8: I had a huge civil discrimination case against a huge

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Speaker 8: news media outlet. In my book, I called that the

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Speaker 8: David versus of Goliah ABC case because there was these

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Speaker 8: huge blue hip law firms up against little on me

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02:14:19,720 --> 02:14:22,200
Speaker 8: and my co counsel say little on me because my

2309
02:14:22,280 --> 02:14:25,720
Speaker 8: co counsel was kind of like a a illustrious attorney.

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Speaker 8: But we won that case.

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Speaker 13: Okay.

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Speaker 8: I had to talk about my very first case again,

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02:14:34,440 --> 02:14:37,520
Speaker 8: a situation of injustice. I called that they catch up

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02:14:37,680 --> 02:14:41,400
Speaker 8: in my faith case. Okay, that was my very first trial,

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02:14:41,840 --> 02:14:46,320
Speaker 8: dealing with a young Asian brother who was accused of

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02:14:46,480 --> 02:14:50,080
Speaker 8: fulling catch up in the face of a white girl

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Speaker 8: in Georgetown and the carry out, and they actually took

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Speaker 8: that case to trial.

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Speaker 14: Can you believe it?

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Speaker 8: And you might have think Oh, that's so trivial, so

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Speaker 8: called allegation. I'm throwing ketchup in the face of a

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Speaker 8: white girl. Well, because he was an immigrant. The outcome

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02:15:07,800 --> 02:15:11,720
Speaker 8: of that case, we had severe consequences for him because

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Speaker 8: he could have been deported. So that was my you know,

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Speaker 8: you know, very first trial and boom. I talked about

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Speaker 8: that because I didn't win it, but I didn't lose it.

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02:15:21,080 --> 02:15:24,240
Speaker 8: There was something called like a hung jury was met

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Speaker 8: steel that he was able to go free. I talked

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Speaker 8: about how the sweat was rolling down me and trying

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Speaker 8: to pick a jury. I never picked a jury, you

2331
02:15:34,840 --> 02:15:38,280
Speaker 8: know before you know, this was long before you know,

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02:15:38,400 --> 02:15:40,960
Speaker 8: they had all the trainings and stuff that they camp

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02:15:41,360 --> 02:15:43,080
Speaker 8: you know out there right now. I've talked about the

2334
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Speaker 8: CIA contract Craft connection. Okay, Wow, talk about a lot

2335
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Speaker 8: in the book. Hey, I talked about sex lines and videotape.

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Speaker 8: Like I said, some of the my memoir is kind

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02:15:57,360 --> 02:16:02,760
Speaker 8: of sassy and flacious. Okay. I talked about my big

2338
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Speaker 8: stat New African wedding and divorced. Okay. I talk about

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02:16:07,880 --> 02:16:11,040
Speaker 8: my miracle birth baby. I talk about the spirit world.

2340
02:16:11,360 --> 02:16:15,120
Speaker 8: I'm talking about the spirit world being so very real

2341
02:16:15,600 --> 02:16:19,800
Speaker 8: and a real life example of that, uh you know.

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Speaker 8: In in the book again dealing with Disparities, I talked

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Speaker 8: about Tullia, Texas. I don't know if you all remember

2344
02:16:26,240 --> 02:16:30,400
Speaker 8: that we're over half three parts of the black community

2345
02:16:30,480 --> 02:16:34,400
Speaker 8: of this small Texas town was rested on trucked up

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Speaker 8: truck charges, okay. And so what we did was we

2347
02:16:37,640 --> 02:16:41,440
Speaker 8: about family members to Capitol Hills, to Congress so that

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Speaker 8: they could tell their own stories. And we worked that

2349
02:16:45,760 --> 02:16:48,200
Speaker 8: case for quite a number of years. I wasn't an

2350
02:16:48,200 --> 02:16:50,920
Speaker 8: attorney on the case. I was part of the advocacy,

2351
02:16:51,400 --> 02:16:56,959
Speaker 8: uh community, and we broke uh the prosecutions back basically

2352
02:16:57,360 --> 02:16:58,519
Speaker 8: with respect.

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Speaker 5: You know to that.

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Speaker 1: So I.

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Speaker 5: Just a whole.

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Speaker 1: Let me be here and ask you this question. We

2357
02:17:08,000 --> 02:17:09,080
Speaker 1: got some folks want to talk to you, but we

2358
02:17:09,160 --> 02:17:10,920
Speaker 1: come from But let me ask you this question. Though,

2359
02:17:11,160 --> 02:17:14,720
Speaker 1: Attorney and Ketchy you talked about VODA, where you're scanning

2360
02:17:14,800 --> 02:17:17,280
Speaker 1: and looking at the potential juris, how do you feel

2361
02:17:17,280 --> 02:17:20,400
Speaker 1: about black folks who refuse to one They refuse to

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02:17:20,480 --> 02:17:23,240
Speaker 1: vote so they can't serve on the jury. They refuse

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02:17:23,280 --> 02:17:24,960
Speaker 1: to go on the jury because they don't want, you know,

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02:17:25,120 --> 02:17:26,400
Speaker 1: to be scrutinize themselves.

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02:17:27,000 --> 02:17:27,240
Speaker 5: How do you.

2366
02:17:27,320 --> 02:17:28,800
Speaker 1: How does that? How do you feel about that? What

2367
02:17:28,879 --> 02:17:31,280
Speaker 1: do you say to some brothers and sisters who say

2368
02:17:31,560 --> 02:17:34,000
Speaker 1: they don't when they get the call for jury duty

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02:17:34,040 --> 02:17:35,080
Speaker 1: they throw it into trash.

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Speaker 8: Let me tell you this, it makes a big difference

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02:17:39,280 --> 02:17:42,120
Speaker 8: who's doing. Actually that very first trial I told you about,

2372
02:17:42,400 --> 02:17:44,600
Speaker 8: and I'm looking at this maze of a chart that

2373
02:17:44,720 --> 02:17:47,840
Speaker 8: I didn't understand this. I'm sorry, they could put me

2374
02:17:47,920 --> 02:17:50,000
Speaker 8: in jail or whatever. But let me say, I look

2375
02:17:50,280 --> 02:17:53,080
Speaker 8: at that jury tool and I was looking for black

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02:17:53,240 --> 02:17:56,160
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm just saying, and wasn't for that one

2377
02:17:56,320 --> 02:18:01,280
Speaker 8: black man with the big step the web, look our

2378
02:18:01,320 --> 02:18:03,760
Speaker 8: glances on his hand sitting in the back. I'm not

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02:18:03,959 --> 02:18:06,560
Speaker 8: sure if I would have won that catchup in hot

2380
02:18:06,640 --> 02:18:10,240
Speaker 8: space paste because mainly white folks, well, I guess they

2381
02:18:10,320 --> 02:18:12,320
Speaker 8: have the time and leisure to get off from work

2382
02:18:12,400 --> 02:18:14,400
Speaker 8: and go down to the court and and you know

2383
02:18:14,520 --> 02:18:18,119
Speaker 8: it's such a such a cetera. But with me, what's

2384
02:18:18,240 --> 02:18:24,840
Speaker 8: called a jury of your peers, Okay, who can identify, uh,

2385
02:18:25,200 --> 02:18:31,520
Speaker 8: you know, what's what's going on. And you know, it

2386
02:18:31,640 --> 02:18:34,280
Speaker 8: makes a big difference who's on a jury and who's

2387
02:18:34,360 --> 02:18:39,080
Speaker 8: not on uh the jury. And you know there are

2388
02:18:39,200 --> 02:18:46,440
Speaker 8: many instances where premptory challenges. That's when you can delete

2389
02:18:46,480 --> 02:18:49,160
Speaker 8: or excide someone for the jury, for a bias or something.

2390
02:18:49,200 --> 02:18:52,120
Speaker 8: All those lines. There's so many cases in which we

2391
02:18:52,280 --> 02:18:55,680
Speaker 8: fought against that that was unjust and illegal as that

2392
02:18:55,840 --> 02:18:57,800
Speaker 8: happened a lot. I remember the.

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02:19:00,200 --> 02:19:01,879
Speaker 1: Sister and Kiche. We got to step aside so our

2394
02:19:01,920 --> 02:19:04,920
Speaker 1: stations can identify themselves down the line per the FCC.

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02:19:05,000 --> 02:19:05,120
Speaker 4: You know.

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02:19:05,240 --> 02:19:07,600
Speaker 1: We come back though. We got Bob and doctor Hakey

2397
02:19:07,680 --> 02:19:09,280
Speaker 1: want to talk to you family. You two can join

2398
02:19:09,360 --> 02:19:11,320
Speaker 1: this conversation. If you're on hold, we will get to you.

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02:19:11,760 --> 02:19:14,040
Speaker 1: Telephone number to call to speak to Attorney and Kichi

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02:19:14,120 --> 02:19:17,720
Speaker 1: Taifa is eight hundred four to five zero seventy eight

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02:19:17,959 --> 02:19:20,240
Speaker 1: seventy six, and we'll take your phone calls next and

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02:19:20,480 --> 02:19:22,560
Speaker 1: Grand Rising family, thanks for staying with us on this

2403
02:19:22,680 --> 02:19:25,440
Speaker 1: is Tuesday mornings. We know our salute to the sisters.

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02:19:25,480 --> 02:19:27,680
Speaker 1: We've got some brilliant sisters coming around this morning. Later

2405
02:19:27,760 --> 02:19:29,840
Speaker 1: this morning, I'm gonna speak with the Candy Statum. But

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02:19:29,959 --> 02:19:32,959
Speaker 1: right now we're with attorney and Kichi Taifa and I'll

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02:19:33,000 --> 02:19:35,280
Speaker 1: let you finish your thought. Sort of interrupt you because

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02:19:35,879 --> 02:19:37,600
Speaker 1: I think we need to drill home the fact how

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02:19:37,680 --> 02:19:40,000
Speaker 1: important is as an attorney when you go into the

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02:19:40,080 --> 02:19:42,720
Speaker 1: courtroom and you have to choose from a pool of

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02:19:42,879 --> 02:19:45,840
Speaker 1: jurors that some of them on that panel look like us.

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02:19:47,400 --> 02:19:47,600
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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02:19:47,760 --> 02:19:49,960
Speaker 8: Again, And one of the reasons why many times the

2414
02:19:50,040 --> 02:19:53,040
Speaker 8: panel does not look like us because we don't vote,

2415
02:19:53,320 --> 02:19:56,520
Speaker 8: we don't register to vote. But also many times people

2416
02:19:56,760 --> 02:19:59,360
Speaker 8: who are formally incarcerated, they have to go through loops

2417
02:19:59,400 --> 02:20:03,000
Speaker 8: and loose to be able to get the vite to

2418
02:20:03,440 --> 02:20:06,080
Speaker 8: vote to be on the registers. So again, all of

2419
02:20:06,160 --> 02:20:12,040
Speaker 8: these things are issues that mitigate against us being part

2420
02:20:12,160 --> 02:20:16,360
Speaker 8: of jurneys and being part of helping to achieve justice

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02:20:16,440 --> 02:20:22,240
Speaker 8: for our people who were gained. Are you know a

2422
02:20:22,360 --> 02:20:27,480
Speaker 8: restident and you know charged and prosecuted and convicted at

2423
02:20:27,720 --> 02:20:30,240
Speaker 8: rates far exceeding that of other people?

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02:20:31,120 --> 02:20:32,680
Speaker 1: All right, that minds you got some folks want to

2425
02:20:32,720 --> 02:20:34,879
Speaker 1: talk to you. Eight hundred four or five zero seventy

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02:20:34,920 --> 02:20:38,040
Speaker 1: eight seventy six. First of Bobby's in Buffalo is online.

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02:20:38,080 --> 02:20:42,520
Speaker 1: Three grand rising Bobby are on the attorney and Kichi Taifa, Yes.

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Speaker 7: Sir and man blessed love family, free the heart, free

2429
02:20:47,440 --> 02:20:50,600
Speaker 7: the mind, and free the land. In terms of being

2430
02:20:50,640 --> 02:20:54,400
Speaker 7: the land, Yes, ma'am, in terms of being a lawyer

2431
02:20:54,640 --> 02:20:57,360
Speaker 7: and in terms of being a freedom worker, can you

2432
02:20:57,440 --> 02:21:00,640
Speaker 7: help us understand a couple of terms. One is freedom,

2433
02:21:01,440 --> 02:21:04,720
Speaker 7: another is citizenship, and another is sovereignity.

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02:21:06,160 --> 02:21:08,879
Speaker 8: Oh no, okay. I got to capture in my book

2435
02:21:08,920 --> 02:21:11,520
Speaker 8: call As Things Is Going to Come, and it talks

2436
02:21:11,560 --> 02:21:18,360
Speaker 8: about all those things you're talking about, sovereignty, citizenship and whatever.

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02:21:18,480 --> 02:21:22,679
Speaker 8: The other thing was I talk about ed Freedom treatmadom

2438
02:21:22,800 --> 02:21:25,280
Speaker 8: yeh yeah, yeah, yeah aah. So one of the things

2439
02:21:25,320 --> 02:21:28,880
Speaker 8: I talk about in my book is a lecture I

2440
02:21:29,120 --> 02:21:32,760
Speaker 8: heard in a Howard University while I was a student.

2441
02:21:33,280 --> 02:21:35,760
Speaker 8: It wasn't a student, it wasn't a professor. To this day,

2442
02:21:35,760 --> 02:21:38,440
Speaker 8: I don't know who it was. But he talked about

2443
02:21:38,480 --> 02:21:41,720
Speaker 8: the fourteenth Amendment to the US Constitution, and he said

2444
02:21:41,800 --> 02:21:45,599
Speaker 8: that the fourteenth Amendment was so called granted youth's citizenship

2445
02:21:46,760 --> 02:21:50,560
Speaker 8: was not really valid because someone cannot take a free

2446
02:21:50,680 --> 02:21:53,160
Speaker 8: person and say you've got to be a citizen of

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02:21:53,240 --> 02:21:55,960
Speaker 8: their country. You had to have been as if you

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02:21:56,080 --> 02:21:59,400
Speaker 8: wanted to be, and we were never at So there's

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02:21:59,440 --> 02:22:01,960
Speaker 8: a part of book called you mean, we're not really

2450
02:22:02,160 --> 02:22:03,000
Speaker 8: US citizens?

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02:22:03,240 --> 02:22:04,000
Speaker 5: So are we?

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02:22:04,160 --> 02:22:09,440
Speaker 8: Okay? Black nation? Yes, we have the right to accept

2453
02:22:09,480 --> 02:22:12,760
Speaker 8: the US offer of citizenship into the new white nation

2454
02:22:12,879 --> 02:22:15,120
Speaker 8: that was coming up on this sour But we.

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Speaker 13: Also had other rights.

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Speaker 8: To international law. We have to right to repatiation to

2457
02:22:21,560 --> 02:22:24,120
Speaker 8: go back to Africa. We have to right to immigrate

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02:22:24,160 --> 02:22:26,600
Speaker 8: to go somewhere else. We have to right to establish

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02:22:26,680 --> 02:22:29,840
Speaker 8: an independent black nation right here on us or the

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02:22:29,920 --> 02:22:32,800
Speaker 8: good ship with the native of people says tried to

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02:22:32,920 --> 02:22:37,520
Speaker 8: make the sovereignty independence will And we also had the

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02:22:37,640 --> 02:22:41,960
Speaker 8: right to accept the offer of citizenship and try to

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02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:45,240
Speaker 8: make a multi racial democracy real. So I learned that

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02:22:45,360 --> 02:22:49,720
Speaker 8: since we never were able to repull information exercise those

2465
02:22:49,879 --> 02:22:53,080
Speaker 8: rights in eighteen sixty eight, those rights belong to us now.

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02:22:53,160 --> 02:22:55,680
Speaker 8: And that is why I became part of what we

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02:22:55,840 --> 02:22:59,520
Speaker 8: call the New African independence movement, the free the Lamb movement,

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02:22:59,560 --> 02:23:04,200
Speaker 8: the move for freedom, land, independence and sovereignty right here

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02:23:04,600 --> 02:23:06,640
Speaker 8: in this country. And I talk about the person who

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02:23:06,760 --> 02:23:10,120
Speaker 8: was most typical to my understanding of these concepts, and

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02:23:10,200 --> 02:23:14,120
Speaker 8: that was none other than Brother President Imari Abubakari Overdeli,

2472
02:23:14,200 --> 02:23:20,320
Speaker 8: who's em spouse was unjustly in prison in justice Mississippi.

2473
02:23:20,320 --> 02:23:23,240
Speaker 8: I talked about that in my book. I was the

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02:23:24,560 --> 02:23:27,360
Speaker 8: the end of the National Committee to Free the r

2475
02:23:27,520 --> 02:23:29,880
Speaker 8: in a level. That's why I learned about all of

2476
02:23:29,920 --> 02:23:32,600
Speaker 8: the corn telephone that we talked about before. My book

2477
02:23:32,680 --> 02:23:35,320
Speaker 8: talks about that attack when I meet the Franklin's Daddy's

2478
02:23:35,440 --> 02:23:39,840
Speaker 8: church in Detroit in nineteen sixty nine, the first anniversary

2479
02:23:39,879 --> 02:23:43,440
Speaker 8: of the Republic of New Africa. So I talk about

2480
02:23:43,440 --> 02:23:45,480
Speaker 8: all that and all that is wound up in what

2481
02:23:45,600 --> 02:23:48,880
Speaker 8: the brother is asking me about issues of freedom and

2482
02:23:49,000 --> 02:23:54,040
Speaker 8: citizenship and sovereignty and self determinations. So Black Powell, Black

2483
02:23:54,120 --> 02:23:57,760
Speaker 8: Lawyer tells my perspective on all of those things. And

2484
02:23:57,840 --> 02:24:00,520
Speaker 8: that's chapter four. Call it Change is Gonna come?

2485
02:24:01,879 --> 02:24:04,760
Speaker 1: Okay, Sam Cook there five after the top hour before

2486
02:24:05,000 --> 02:24:06,520
Speaker 1: the next call, I gotta ask you. You know we

2487
02:24:06,959 --> 02:24:09,240
Speaker 1: here and you've mentioned these take cases out of state?

2488
02:24:09,959 --> 02:24:10,120
Speaker 11: Is it?

2489
02:24:10,800 --> 02:24:13,680
Speaker 1: How does that work? If you're licensed to just the

2490
02:24:14,440 --> 02:24:17,760
Speaker 1: Washington D C. District of Columbia, does that give you

2491
02:24:18,200 --> 02:24:21,480
Speaker 1: Do some states just automatically recognize you your likes or

2492
02:24:21,520 --> 02:24:23,160
Speaker 1: do you have to apply? How does that work for

2493
02:24:23,440 --> 02:24:23,920
Speaker 1: a lawyer?

2494
02:24:24,800 --> 02:24:28,600
Speaker 8: There's a concept called pro hakchi. You apply to the

2495
02:24:28,720 --> 02:24:31,840
Speaker 8: court if you're not barred in that of the jurisdiction.

2496
02:24:32,120 --> 02:24:34,879
Speaker 8: You apply to the court for like uh like guests

2497
02:24:34,920 --> 02:24:39,840
Speaker 8: of visitors status to be an attorney there or you uh,

2498
02:24:39,920 --> 02:24:43,480
Speaker 8: you know, collaborate with another lawyer in the area. So

2499
02:24:43,720 --> 02:24:46,600
Speaker 8: that's called talk. Bechi and I did that a lot.

2500
02:24:46,920 --> 02:24:48,920
Speaker 8: But first of all, let me get something strict because

2501
02:24:48,920 --> 02:24:50,959
Speaker 8: I know I'm gonna give a million phone call. I'm

2502
02:24:51,000 --> 02:24:54,600
Speaker 8: gonna retire lawyer right now. Please don't call me and

2503
02:24:54,760 --> 02:24:57,840
Speaker 8: ask me about oh lord ABC one two three, I

2504
02:24:57,920 --> 02:25:00,240
Speaker 8: do make me for if I am a retire your

2505
02:25:00,320 --> 02:25:06,840
Speaker 8: attorney working full time now in the area of operations, all.

2506
02:25:06,840 --> 02:25:13,320
Speaker 1: Right, six after the top down attorney and Kechi Taifer

2507
02:25:13,400 --> 02:25:17,160
Speaker 1: retired attorney and Kechi Taifa, doctor Hockey from Baltimore has

2508
02:25:17,200 --> 02:25:20,000
Speaker 1: a question for you online one Grand Rising, doctor Hockey,

2509
02:25:20,280 --> 02:25:23,240
Speaker 1: you want me to retired attorney and Kechi Taifa.

2510
02:25:24,240 --> 02:25:30,160
Speaker 6: Yes, Grand Rising to you calling Grand Rising to retired lawyer.

2511
02:25:30,400 --> 02:25:31,520
Speaker 8: How you doing my brother?

2512
02:25:32,320 --> 02:25:32,480
Speaker 17: Yeah?

2513
02:25:32,600 --> 02:25:36,760
Speaker 6: Full time revolutionary was certainly and I have a copy

2514
02:25:36,920 --> 02:25:40,360
Speaker 6: of your book. Uh, definitely is great. It's definitely free

2515
02:25:40,400 --> 02:25:44,840
Speaker 6: the land. You mentioned Asada Chakor, and you also mentioned

2516
02:25:44,879 --> 02:25:49,600
Speaker 6: Black studies. This weekend in Baltimore there was the fiftieth

2517
02:25:49,680 --> 02:25:54,480
Speaker 6: and annual Black National Council of Black Studies conference and

2518
02:25:56,000 --> 02:25:59,080
Speaker 6: one of the breakaway panel discussions. I was very pleased

2519
02:25:59,120 --> 02:26:02,000
Speaker 6: at most people. There were a lot of different breakaways,

2520
02:26:02,080 --> 02:26:05,959
Speaker 6: and this was one of the major ones. Uh baba,

2521
02:26:07,920 --> 02:26:13,920
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, my conga, and and yeah, yeah, thank you,

2522
02:26:14,040 --> 02:26:19,040
Speaker 6: thank you, and and the Georgia State brothers. But and

2523
02:26:19,400 --> 02:26:20,720
Speaker 6: uh and his wife.

2524
02:26:21,959 --> 02:26:26,640
Speaker 8: Mojah Mojah, I'm just calling up the names and my.

2525
02:26:27,240 --> 02:26:34,040
Speaker 6: Comrade okay, beautiful. So no, they had a discussion, you know,

2526
02:26:34,200 --> 02:26:38,000
Speaker 6: on a side of socor uh conversations with a side

2527
02:26:38,000 --> 02:26:41,400
Speaker 6: of my grandmother's dreams and liberation of a freedom fighter.

2528
02:26:41,480 --> 02:26:44,760
Speaker 6: So that was a well attended panel. But you know,

2529
02:26:44,800 --> 02:26:46,880
Speaker 6: I didn't get a chance to ask the question. But

2530
02:26:48,520 --> 02:26:52,320
Speaker 6: you know, seeing what's going on in Cuba right now,

2531
02:26:52,560 --> 02:26:56,960
Speaker 6: President Trump saying he wants will take Cuba, wants to

2532
02:26:57,040 --> 02:27:02,160
Speaker 6: take Cuba, can take Cuba. My question in the context

2533
02:27:02,240 --> 02:27:06,440
Speaker 6: of Asada, you know, we see the United States, you know,

2534
02:27:06,800 --> 02:27:12,480
Speaker 6: they're going into countries snatching world leaders. What was going on,

2535
02:27:12,959 --> 02:27:16,400
Speaker 6: you know, you know, knowing that many presidents have called

2536
02:27:16,440 --> 02:27:20,920
Speaker 6: for her expedition and raising the bounties, even President Obama,

2537
02:27:22,000 --> 02:27:25,680
Speaker 6: what was going on that may be different where the

2538
02:27:25,959 --> 02:27:29,240
Speaker 6: United States and they haven't necessarily tried to invade Cuba

2539
02:27:29,400 --> 02:27:32,480
Speaker 6: right now, but they're laying I believe the groundwork for that,

2540
02:27:33,000 --> 02:27:35,800
Speaker 6: and so I just wanted to get your analysis on that.

2541
02:27:36,040 --> 02:27:39,920
Speaker 6: And I think we need to, you know, start continuing

2542
02:27:40,000 --> 02:27:45,720
Speaker 6: to raise that issue with the Cuban embassy as well

2543
02:27:45,840 --> 02:27:48,240
Speaker 6: and in state staff with the Cuban people. So that's

2544
02:27:48,240 --> 02:27:49,120
Speaker 6: all I have to say. Thank you.

2545
02:27:50,600 --> 02:27:53,480
Speaker 8: Okay, Well, I'm not the expert on Cuba, but I

2546
02:27:53,640 --> 02:27:56,680
Speaker 8: must say my hat goes off to that country. I'm sorry,

2547
02:27:56,959 --> 02:28:00,600
Speaker 8: that little small island nation that kept not save the

2548
02:28:00,640 --> 02:28:03,959
Speaker 8: Sha Court State, but Behinda, I'm being doing and many

2549
02:28:04,040 --> 02:28:07,720
Speaker 8: others as well, that small island country that set their

2550
02:28:07,800 --> 02:28:11,040
Speaker 8: people all the way over to Africa, to Southern Africa

2551
02:28:11,320 --> 02:28:16,200
Speaker 8: to assist them in their freedom struggles. That small island

2552
02:28:16,320 --> 02:28:20,359
Speaker 8: nation that trained doctors you know, could come from anywhere

2553
02:28:20,440 --> 02:28:24,840
Speaker 8: can go to Cuba and get a free medical education.

2554
02:28:25,120 --> 02:28:29,440
Speaker 8: The nerve and the audacity the god of this country

2555
02:28:29,640 --> 02:28:31,920
Speaker 8: to try to shut down all of the good works

2556
02:28:31,959 --> 02:28:37,199
Speaker 8: that that small island nation has done, you know, throughout

2557
02:28:37,240 --> 02:28:41,080
Speaker 8: the years. Kept Robert Williams c Robert Williams who was

2558
02:28:41,160 --> 02:28:45,040
Speaker 8: pamous for the book in nineteen sixty called meg Roads

2559
02:28:45,120 --> 02:28:49,360
Speaker 8: with Guns and tho so many others. So I just

2560
02:28:49,480 --> 02:28:52,200
Speaker 8: want to say, you know, don't believe the height of

2561
02:28:52,320 --> 02:28:55,120
Speaker 8: what you hear in the mainstream of what my brother

2562
02:28:55,240 --> 02:29:00,200
Speaker 8: calls the mainstream knew. Don't believe the height Okay, uh,

2563
02:29:00,360 --> 02:29:05,000
Speaker 8: look and see uh what the deeds are of countries

2564
02:29:05,080 --> 02:29:08,600
Speaker 8: and we need to stand up or countries to stand

2565
02:29:08,720 --> 02:29:10,520
Speaker 8: up for us. That's all I'm going to say about that.

2566
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Speaker 1: All right, thank you, doctor Hockey. Ten after the top

2567
02:29:13,959 --> 02:29:15,400
Speaker 1: of that, and let me ask you this though, because

2568
02:29:15,440 --> 02:29:18,440
Speaker 1: you know what, there's a paucity of our people going

2569
02:29:18,720 --> 02:29:23,720
Speaker 1: into professional schools, not just law schools, but med schools

2570
02:29:23,800 --> 02:29:26,880
Speaker 1: and dental schools, and but most of the those are

2571
02:29:26,920 --> 02:29:30,280
Speaker 1: going women. How do you how do we get more

2572
02:29:30,360 --> 02:29:33,000
Speaker 1: of our young people engage here because we need more

2573
02:29:33,080 --> 02:29:36,160
Speaker 1: lawyers like yourself. So how do how can we convince

2574
02:29:36,240 --> 02:29:38,640
Speaker 1: some of our young people listening to us now probably

2575
02:29:38,720 --> 02:29:40,800
Speaker 1: on the way to school or or or or in

2576
02:29:40,959 --> 02:29:44,240
Speaker 1: college right now, you know, undergraduate level, and they're thinking

2577
02:29:44,320 --> 02:29:46,960
Speaker 1: what they're going to do once they have finished get

2578
02:29:47,000 --> 02:29:50,320
Speaker 1: the undergraduate degree, to move on and become attorneys, or

2579
02:29:50,920 --> 02:29:52,920
Speaker 1: or even just go into the medical field because all

2580
02:29:52,959 --> 02:29:55,960
Speaker 1: those all those areas since stay and he says, you know,

2581
02:29:56,959 --> 02:29:59,920
Speaker 1: there's not many of us look like us in those

2582
02:30:00,080 --> 02:30:02,080
Speaker 1: in those schools right now, So how do we turn

2583
02:30:02,160 --> 02:30:02,600
Speaker 1: that around?

2584
02:30:04,120 --> 02:30:06,959
Speaker 8: Well, I think a lot of it is what you're

2585
02:30:07,000 --> 02:30:10,480
Speaker 8: exposed to when you are young. I didn't have any

2586
02:30:10,680 --> 02:30:14,920
Speaker 8: models when I was young. I didn't know any doctors.

2587
02:30:15,120 --> 02:30:17,840
Speaker 8: I didn't know any lawyers. I had an honor who

2588
02:30:17,920 --> 02:30:20,880
Speaker 8: was a lawyer. But I know now it's because of racism,

2589
02:30:21,040 --> 02:30:24,920
Speaker 8: discrimination Jim called segregation. Apartheize that she was never allowed

2590
02:30:25,000 --> 02:30:28,120
Speaker 8: to practice law. She really excelled in real estate. So

2591
02:30:28,400 --> 02:30:30,080
Speaker 8: I really didn't have models.

2592
02:30:30,160 --> 02:30:30,720
Speaker 9: It was the.

2593
02:30:32,680 --> 02:30:36,560
Speaker 8: Reading books. It was looking at the unjustness and unfairness

2594
02:30:36,760 --> 02:30:41,320
Speaker 8: in the world that made me decide to become a lawyer.

2595
02:30:41,560 --> 02:30:45,240
Speaker 8: There are many more opportunities out there now. What's interesting

2596
02:30:45,360 --> 02:30:47,080
Speaker 8: that a lot of times when people see my book,

2597
02:30:47,120 --> 02:30:49,160
Speaker 8: Black Power, Black Lawyer, I said, oh, I'm going to

2598
02:30:49,240 --> 02:30:51,880
Speaker 8: get this book in give it to my niece who

2599
02:30:51,920 --> 02:30:53,360
Speaker 8: wants to be a lawyer. I want to give it

2600
02:30:53,440 --> 02:30:54,800
Speaker 8: to this person wants to be a lawyer. But I

2601
02:30:54,879 --> 02:30:57,720
Speaker 8: want people to understand that the book, the book is

2602
02:30:57,840 --> 02:31:02,360
Speaker 8: really about black power. That's how in its manifestations I

2603
02:31:02,640 --> 02:31:06,240
Speaker 8: manifested it through the legal profession is being a you know,

2604
02:31:07,160 --> 02:31:09,240
Speaker 8: a lawyer. So it's not my book. It's not just

2605
02:31:09,400 --> 02:31:12,680
Speaker 8: for lawyers most inspiring us to be lawyers, as that

2606
02:31:13,160 --> 02:31:15,120
Speaker 8: most of the people are inspiring to be lawyers are

2607
02:31:15,160 --> 02:31:17,600
Speaker 8: not inspiring to be the type of lawyer that I was.

2608
02:31:18,440 --> 02:31:20,360
Speaker 8: They're not inspiring to be a movement lawyer.

2609
02:31:20,440 --> 02:31:22,160
Speaker 5: But we need more like that.

2610
02:31:22,360 --> 02:31:24,680
Speaker 8: And I don't know the statistics call when you said

2611
02:31:24,680 --> 02:31:29,160
Speaker 8: about the more women than men, I don't know those statistics,

2612
02:31:29,360 --> 02:31:31,720
Speaker 8: but I do know, as you said, there's a posity

2613
02:31:31,800 --> 02:31:36,440
Speaker 8: of entity of black folk going into basically any of

2614
02:31:36,520 --> 02:31:41,680
Speaker 8: these professional professions, and they're making it even harder now,

2615
02:31:43,520 --> 02:31:46,680
Speaker 8: you know, it's kind of always retards. I don't I'm

2616
02:31:46,720 --> 02:31:49,320
Speaker 8: not sure if I'm the right person to answer that question,

2617
02:31:49,480 --> 02:31:53,359
Speaker 8: because I really it was three years out of undergrad

2618
02:31:53,440 --> 02:31:55,640
Speaker 8: that finally decided, like my daddy said, go in and

2619
02:31:55,720 --> 02:32:01,720
Speaker 8: get that dawn law degree. I didn't even know. I

2620
02:32:02,640 --> 02:32:06,640
Speaker 8: didn't even know that there were study classes that people

2621
02:32:06,720 --> 02:32:09,600
Speaker 8: could take to pass the ls A teams and get

2622
02:32:09,640 --> 02:32:12,840
Speaker 8: into law school. I've gotta be very honest. I tell

2623
02:32:12,879 --> 02:32:15,080
Speaker 8: about this in the book because I'm very honest. I

2624
02:32:15,240 --> 02:32:18,400
Speaker 8: know it was a firm introduction because George Washington University

2625
02:32:18,520 --> 02:32:21,680
Speaker 8: National Law Center sent me a letter here, Miss Anita

2626
02:32:21,760 --> 02:32:27,119
Speaker 8: Cardwell Uh, in consultation with ours or whatever the racial

2627
02:32:27,160 --> 02:32:30,400
Speaker 8: group they had to discover a real pleased to offer

2628
02:32:30,480 --> 02:32:35,720
Speaker 8: you acceptance. So you know, and I spent most of

2629
02:32:35,800 --> 02:32:38,560
Speaker 8: my time in the struggle as opposed to in the

2630
02:32:38,640 --> 02:32:43,280
Speaker 8: law books. So by the grace of the ancestors, I

2631
02:32:43,360 --> 02:32:47,720
Speaker 8: got through law school. I graduated from Howard undergrad magnical

2632
02:32:47,920 --> 02:32:51,440
Speaker 8: Lotti and I graduated from law school. Thank you Lottie,

2633
02:32:51,720 --> 02:32:54,160
Speaker 8: but thank you LARTI. I've got that law degree and

2634
02:32:55,040 --> 02:32:59,000
Speaker 8: then continue to you know, be the person I am today.

2635
02:32:59,400 --> 02:33:03,560
Speaker 8: So I was just concluded by saying, yeah, y'all going

2636
02:33:03,640 --> 02:33:06,760
Speaker 8: to get that long going, and get that medical degree going,

2637
02:33:06,840 --> 02:33:10,200
Speaker 8: and get that dentistry, but don't forget where you came from.

2638
02:33:10,680 --> 02:33:14,360
Speaker 8: When you get those professional degrees, use it to the

2639
02:33:14,520 --> 02:33:16,520
Speaker 8: benefit to help out people.

2640
02:33:17,440 --> 02:33:19,360
Speaker 1: That's what I love about you fourteen half the time

2641
02:33:19,560 --> 02:33:21,160
Speaker 1: because that's what you did. And that's what I tell

2642
02:33:21,240 --> 02:33:23,120
Speaker 1: folks all the time. It just no matter what you do.

2643
02:33:23,600 --> 02:33:26,600
Speaker 1: But you've got you know this, and I know you'll

2644
02:33:26,600 --> 02:33:30,640
Speaker 1: agree with this. The GAVI symbol. You know, race first

2645
02:33:30,959 --> 02:33:34,520
Speaker 1: and that's how the other people think. Instinctively, they think

2646
02:33:34,680 --> 02:33:37,400
Speaker 1: race first. For us, we nearly full of and Dr

2647
02:33:37,400 --> 02:33:39,680
Speaker 1: Wilson tells us about this somehow we have to be

2648
02:33:39,800 --> 02:33:42,920
Speaker 1: caught it nearly full of claim it calls it a code.

2649
02:33:42,959 --> 02:33:45,360
Speaker 1: We have to stay on code because the other the

2650
02:33:45,840 --> 02:33:48,480
Speaker 1: other folks, they have a code and it's just instinctive.

2651
02:33:48,560 --> 02:33:52,560
Speaker 1: They think about themselves first and they're people first. For us,

2652
02:33:53,080 --> 02:33:54,720
Speaker 1: it's for some of us it's a problem.

2653
02:33:54,800 --> 02:34:01,320
Speaker 8: Why, because we've been socialized that way. Okay, we've been

2654
02:34:01,400 --> 02:34:03,440
Speaker 8: talked to hate ourselves, to hate the way we look,

2655
02:34:03,520 --> 02:34:06,480
Speaker 8: to hate where we came from. You know, we don't

2656
02:34:06,600 --> 02:34:09,039
Speaker 8: have at least I didn't grow up with a farming

2657
02:34:09,920 --> 02:34:14,160
Speaker 8: affirmations about who I was and who our history was,

2658
02:34:14,280 --> 02:34:19,520
Speaker 8: so you know, it's indoctrination, you know. It's why.

2659
02:34:19,680 --> 02:34:20,040
Speaker 13: I don't know.

2660
02:34:20,879 --> 02:34:23,320
Speaker 8: But you mentioned Garby, and I just want to say,

2661
02:34:23,440 --> 02:34:27,040
Speaker 8: if I could, I wanted. I was very honored that

2662
02:34:28,600 --> 02:34:34,000
Speaker 8: honorable Marcus Massa, Garvey's son wrote a an accolade for

2663
02:34:34,120 --> 02:34:36,039
Speaker 8: the back of my book, as well as other people.

2664
02:34:36,760 --> 02:34:40,880
Speaker 8: Angela Davis wrote uh a blurb for the back of

2665
02:34:40,959 --> 02:34:44,040
Speaker 8: my book. Danny Glover wrote a blurb for the back

2666
02:34:44,120 --> 02:34:48,040
Speaker 8: of my book. Uh, James Forman Junior, the son of

2667
02:34:48,120 --> 02:34:52,080
Speaker 8: the civil rights nick activist James Foreman vote a blur

2668
02:34:52,240 --> 02:34:55,200
Speaker 8: who himself as a scholar and an activist. Sonya stan

2669
02:34:55,320 --> 02:34:58,119
Speaker 8: Chez wrote for my book, will killed lo Moon, will

2670
02:34:58,200 --> 02:35:01,960
Speaker 8: vote for my books? But I think the white what

2671
02:35:02,040 --> 02:35:07,320
Speaker 8: do we call it a reviewers A reviewers called Kirkus review.

2672
02:35:08,280 --> 02:35:10,879
Speaker 8: I just want to read the sentence in it wrote

2673
02:35:11,440 --> 02:35:16,680
Speaker 8: in an engaging memoir of not just a fascinating woman,

2674
02:35:17,160 --> 02:35:20,600
Speaker 8: but a history of a movement that was the white folk.

2675
02:35:20,680 --> 02:35:26,600
Speaker 1: I said, oh, that was kind of right.

2676
02:35:26,879 --> 02:35:27,000
Speaker 13: Right.

2677
02:35:27,080 --> 02:35:29,880
Speaker 1: At least they didn't say anything detrimental to what to

2678
02:35:30,200 --> 02:35:32,360
Speaker 1: I guess your book. So yeah, but hold up though,

2679
02:35:32,400 --> 02:35:34,160
Speaker 1: right there, we got to step aside for a few

2680
02:35:34,200 --> 02:35:34,800
Speaker 1: months and we come back.

2681
02:35:34,800 --> 02:35:35,000
Speaker 5: I'll live.

2682
02:35:35,080 --> 02:35:37,000
Speaker 1: We finish up with you and family. You want to

2683
02:35:37,000 --> 02:35:39,000
Speaker 1: get in on this conversation, do it real quick, do

2684
02:35:39,080 --> 02:35:40,880
Speaker 1: it now at eight hundred and four or five zero

2685
02:35:41,200 --> 02:35:43,920
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six, and take your phone calls next

2686
02:35:44,240 --> 02:35:46,400
Speaker 1: Grand Rising family. Thanks for staying with us all morning.

2687
02:35:46,400 --> 02:35:48,560
Speaker 1: As long as we continue our salute to the sisters.

2688
02:35:48,840 --> 02:35:51,400
Speaker 1: This being Women's History Month, it's just that we're featuring

2689
02:35:51,640 --> 02:35:55,560
Speaker 1: right now is attorney and ki Chi Taifa, retired attorney

2690
02:35:55,680 --> 02:35:59,440
Speaker 1: in Kischi Taifa and her book Black Lawyer, Black Power,

2691
02:35:59,480 --> 02:36:02,000
Speaker 1: Black Lawyer of My Audacious Quest for Justice is now

2692
02:36:02,200 --> 02:36:05,160
Speaker 1: out in audio. Before we go on that, but I

2693
02:36:05,200 --> 02:36:06,760
Speaker 1: want to talk you about reparations because you need a

2694
02:36:06,760 --> 02:36:09,760
Speaker 1: book on reparations. Reparations on fire, high and wide spreading

2695
02:36:09,760 --> 02:36:14,840
Speaker 1: across America is the issue for reparations dead or considering

2696
02:36:14,920 --> 02:36:17,040
Speaker 1: what we're going through now in this country, who's running

2697
02:36:17,080 --> 02:36:20,160
Speaker 1: the country, is reparations the thing of the past? How

2698
02:36:20,200 --> 02:36:20,680
Speaker 1: do you see it?

2699
02:36:21,879 --> 02:36:26,360
Speaker 8: It definitely is not dead. It is spreading like wildfire.

2700
02:36:26,520 --> 02:36:28,880
Speaker 8: In fact, there's a big assembly that's going to be

2701
02:36:29,200 --> 02:36:33,200
Speaker 8: happening in DC this week bringing reparation leaders from across

2702
02:36:33,320 --> 02:36:38,960
Speaker 8: the country to talk and discussion, strategize and the like. So, no,

2703
02:36:39,120 --> 02:36:41,760
Speaker 8: it's not dead. And I'm just really glad that I'm

2704
02:36:41,840 --> 02:36:45,200
Speaker 8: still on the front lines of this issue that has

2705
02:36:45,640 --> 02:36:49,400
Speaker 8: did not just start, Okay, it's been going on for

2706
02:36:50,920 --> 02:36:53,720
Speaker 8: ever since we stepped foot on this soil, demanding our

2707
02:36:53,840 --> 02:36:59,400
Speaker 8: righteous dudes for this country, for the greecious sufferings and

2708
02:36:59,720 --> 02:37:02,760
Speaker 8: all that. There has never been amends. There's never been

2709
02:37:03,120 --> 02:37:06,200
Speaker 8: a payback and we are seeking that. We are still

2710
02:37:06,240 --> 02:37:08,920
Speaker 8: speaking that now, So no, it's not it. And yes,

2711
02:37:09,040 --> 02:37:11,880
Speaker 8: my book Reparations on Fire, how long why you're spreading

2712
02:37:11,920 --> 02:37:15,080
Speaker 8: across America that actually came out after that memoir that

2713
02:37:15,160 --> 02:37:16,720
Speaker 8: came out in twenty twenty two.

2714
02:37:17,959 --> 02:37:21,080
Speaker 1: Right, And in the book, do you address the fact

2715
02:37:21,120 --> 02:37:24,560
Speaker 1: that the brothers and sisters on the continents deserve reparations

2716
02:37:24,600 --> 02:37:27,320
Speaker 1: as well in all members of the diaspora if they're

2717
02:37:27,360 --> 02:37:29,880
Speaker 1: not on the continent. Now, even those on the continent

2718
02:37:29,959 --> 02:37:33,080
Speaker 1: should get reparations. How do you see that all over?

2719
02:37:33,200 --> 02:37:34,960
Speaker 8: In fact, you really need to bring me on to

2720
02:37:35,120 --> 02:37:38,360
Speaker 8: talk about all of that, because actually next week I

2721
02:37:38,480 --> 02:37:41,040
Speaker 8: will be in New York where the President of Ghana

2722
02:37:41,160 --> 02:37:45,680
Speaker 8: will be presenting a resolution, a declaration before the United

2723
02:37:45,800 --> 02:37:51,480
Speaker 8: Nations General Assembly calling the Transatlantic trafficking and African people

2724
02:37:51,600 --> 02:37:57,320
Speaker 8: and then chattelized enslavement was the gravest crime against humanity.

2725
02:37:57,640 --> 02:38:02,400
Speaker 8: He's been going all across the globe getting endorsements from

2726
02:38:02,480 --> 02:38:05,880
Speaker 8: various countries and nations. So that's gonna happen next week.

2727
02:38:05,920 --> 02:38:09,720
Speaker 8: I'll be right up there with him. In December, I

2728
02:38:09,879 --> 02:38:13,120
Speaker 8: was in Ghana and had the occasion as part of

2729
02:38:13,160 --> 02:38:19,119
Speaker 8: a group of Diasporic Reparations Experts meeting with His Excellency

2730
02:38:20,400 --> 02:38:23,680
Speaker 8: John Dremani Muhammad, the President of Ghana, And so.

2731
02:38:24,480 --> 02:38:25,720
Speaker 13: We've just a whole lot on that.

2732
02:38:25,920 --> 02:38:28,120
Speaker 8: Actually I will be speaking on that on the twenty

2733
02:38:28,240 --> 02:38:32,879
Speaker 8: eighth on a Zoom seminar with the organization's called Appeal

2734
02:38:33,080 --> 02:38:35,600
Speaker 8: app E a L. But I just want to remind

2735
02:38:35,680 --> 02:38:39,840
Speaker 8: people that my audio book release, Celebration of Black Power,

2736
02:38:39,920 --> 02:38:44,920
Speaker 8: Black Lawyer, will be this Thursday in DCN at bus

2737
02:38:45,000 --> 02:38:47,600
Speaker 8: Boys and Poets fourteenth and U Street. I will be

2738
02:38:47,720 --> 02:38:51,520
Speaker 8: engaged in a fireside chat but none other than my

2739
02:38:51,680 --> 02:38:55,080
Speaker 8: brother Greg Carr, who wrote the forward to my book,

2740
02:38:55,120 --> 02:38:58,359
Speaker 8: Black Power, Black Lawyer. The event will be live streamed

2741
02:38:58,760 --> 02:39:01,880
Speaker 8: and you can get the live stream link from any

2742
02:39:01,959 --> 02:39:05,480
Speaker 8: one of my websites Nikiki tell you for dot org

2743
02:39:06,120 --> 02:39:12,000
Speaker 8: or Vaporation Educationproject dot org. It's a live stream link.

2744
02:39:12,560 --> 02:39:15,480
Speaker 8: We'll be there and I don't know if we have

2745
02:39:15,640 --> 02:39:16,720
Speaker 8: time to just a couple.

2746
02:39:16,560 --> 02:39:20,600
Speaker 15: Of concluding yeah, we have time, go ahead, because.

2747
02:39:20,640 --> 02:39:24,680
Speaker 8: Okay, so I've talked about a lot. Yeah, people say

2748
02:39:24,680 --> 02:39:30,280
Speaker 8: I'm passionate. I really am, but I need people to

2749
02:39:30,440 --> 02:39:35,720
Speaker 8: understand that in spite of my tenacity and my stepfastness.

2750
02:39:36,760 --> 02:39:42,440
Speaker 8: I have also experienced the challenges, personal struggles and balanced

2751
02:39:42,480 --> 02:39:45,480
Speaker 8: guards that define what it is to be human, from

2752
02:39:45,720 --> 02:39:52,880
Speaker 8: unhealthy relationships and failed marriages to workplace devastations and setbacks.

2753
02:39:53,640 --> 02:39:55,680
Speaker 8: I talk about all of this in my memoirs. I

2754
02:39:55,720 --> 02:39:57,920
Speaker 8: don't just talk about the good. I talk about the bad,

2755
02:39:58,000 --> 02:39:59,840
Speaker 8: and I talk about the ugly. But through it on

2756
02:40:00,200 --> 02:40:04,000
Speaker 8: I have remade resilient, I have stayed the course, and

2757
02:40:04,160 --> 02:40:08,720
Speaker 8: I have always remained true to my principles. Like I

2758
02:40:08,800 --> 02:40:13,920
Speaker 8: said my book, it's both solemn and sulacious. It is

2759
02:40:14,680 --> 02:40:21,160
Speaker 8: part memoir, part textbook, part study God, and part expose

2760
02:40:21,760 --> 02:40:26,959
Speaker 8: black power black lawyer. It teaches, it preaches, it maxidizes

2761
02:40:27,080 --> 02:40:32,320
Speaker 8: and intangilizes, and it is a story that bears witness

2762
02:40:32,440 --> 02:40:36,960
Speaker 8: to ancestors, to people. And two episodes have swayed the

2763
02:40:37,040 --> 02:40:40,040
Speaker 8: shaping of my identity and my consciousness. And as a

2764
02:40:40,160 --> 02:40:42,640
Speaker 8: black woman lawyer in the United States, and I know

2765
02:40:42,800 --> 02:40:47,600
Speaker 8: this is International Women's Month, I have faced many challenges,

2766
02:40:47,720 --> 02:40:53,879
Speaker 8: both professionally and personally. I essentially navigated two worlds.

2767
02:40:54,480 --> 02:40:58,600
Speaker 19: One as a connoisseur of black our, pride and culture,

2768
02:40:59,120 --> 02:41:01,520
Speaker 19: adoring with the apple your name, and I can hear

2769
02:41:01,680 --> 02:41:07,000
Speaker 19: raps and natural here, but then the other transfersing through society,

2770
02:41:08,120 --> 02:41:12,360
Speaker 19: working at mainstream organizations, hop noveny with establishment.

2771
02:41:11,840 --> 02:41:17,240
Speaker 20: Luminaries while trying my best not to sucpress my authentic self.

2772
02:41:17,600 --> 02:41:20,920
Speaker 20: But my memoir it brings both of these worlds together,

2773
02:41:21,200 --> 02:41:24,520
Speaker 20: because my life of my career has not only until

2774
02:41:25,480 --> 02:41:30,840
Speaker 20: securing important seats for myself at policy and decision making tables,

2775
02:41:30,879 --> 02:41:35,920
Speaker 20: are also building meaningful tables for others as well. But Carl,

2776
02:41:35,959 --> 02:41:38,640
Speaker 20: I just want to conclude by saying, I am no

2777
02:41:38,800 --> 02:41:41,560
Speaker 20: less militant or revolutionary than I was in my teens

2778
02:41:41,640 --> 02:41:44,320
Speaker 20: and twenties. And when people read my book, y'all know,

2779
02:41:45,120 --> 02:41:47,400
Speaker 20: I mean I was really out there in my teens

2780
02:41:47,480 --> 02:41:51,520
Speaker 20: in twenties. But my rebellions list it did take on

2781
02:41:51,760 --> 02:41:56,160
Speaker 20: different expressions. As I navigated my career, I found that

2782
02:41:56,440 --> 02:42:00,360
Speaker 20: I can confront the injustices and in pop he's a

2783
02:42:00,440 --> 02:42:04,280
Speaker 20: society and still be successful. I can work inside the

2784
02:42:04,440 --> 02:42:09,200
Speaker 20: system while building tables that trouble against the system, and I.

2785
02:42:09,400 --> 02:42:14,240
Speaker 8: Can make a difference and have a momentous public impact

2786
02:42:14,560 --> 02:42:17,959
Speaker 8: despite my personal shortcomings, of which I have many. Because

2787
02:42:18,000 --> 02:42:20,920
Speaker 8: the quest for justice it does not require perfection. I

2788
02:42:21,000 --> 02:42:23,400
Speaker 8: want to repeat that the quest for justice does not

2789
02:42:23,720 --> 02:42:31,160
Speaker 8: require perception, It only requires dedication to its ideas. Something just.

2790
02:42:33,360 --> 02:42:33,680
Speaker 14: Right there.

2791
02:42:34,160 --> 02:42:37,120
Speaker 1: Since and keechee, because Carl in Northern Virginia has a

2792
02:42:37,200 --> 02:42:40,040
Speaker 1: question for you. Just called a moment ago. Carl your

2793
02:42:40,160 --> 02:42:41,959
Speaker 1: question for Since And keichi.

2794
02:42:41,800 --> 02:42:47,360
Speaker 21: Taifa, Yes, Grand Rising, I brother calling sister, tell you

2795
02:42:47,440 --> 02:42:49,960
Speaker 21: for thank you for taking my call. I wanted to

2796
02:42:50,040 --> 02:42:53,320
Speaker 21: find out about their reparations gathering that's going to be

2797
02:42:53,400 --> 02:42:56,720
Speaker 21: going on because I am an aspiring lawyer.

2798
02:42:57,400 --> 02:42:58,200
Speaker 6: I actually I.

2799
02:42:58,240 --> 02:43:02,200
Speaker 21: Graduated from law school about twenty years ago, and I

2800
02:43:02,840 --> 02:43:05,720
Speaker 21: have not to successfully passed the bar. That's why I'm

2801
02:43:05,720 --> 02:43:09,080
Speaker 21: still an aspiring lawyer or whatever. But I plan on

2802
02:43:09,160 --> 02:43:11,440
Speaker 21: going back to school here in the fall, and I'm

2803
02:43:11,560 --> 02:43:14,440
Speaker 21: going to get my llm over at George Mason and

2804
02:43:15,040 --> 02:43:19,240
Speaker 21: get to get sharp in the law again and then

2805
02:43:19,360 --> 02:43:21,680
Speaker 21: to get back into the thing. But one of the

2806
02:43:21,680 --> 02:43:23,520
Speaker 21: reasons why I wanted to go to law school in

2807
02:43:23,600 --> 02:43:25,720
Speaker 21: the first place was to be a part of the

2808
02:43:25,800 --> 02:43:29,760
Speaker 21: reparations movement and whatnot. And I, like you, I understand

2809
02:43:29,800 --> 02:43:31,920
Speaker 21: about working within the system because I've been in the

2810
02:43:31,959 --> 02:43:35,959
Speaker 21: military for years and years and years, and I understand

2811
02:43:35,959 --> 02:43:38,120
Speaker 21: that being a revolutionary person in the room and all

2812
02:43:38,200 --> 02:43:40,560
Speaker 21: of that. But you know that being said, you know,

2813
02:43:40,640 --> 02:43:43,240
Speaker 21: I didn't. I never wanted to lose sight of the goal.

2814
02:43:43,800 --> 02:43:46,080
Speaker 21: And even though I know that, I oh, I know

2815
02:43:46,240 --> 02:43:49,000
Speaker 21: that reparations probably will not come fully in my lifetime.

2816
02:43:49,440 --> 02:43:51,600
Speaker 21: I want to be part of laying that foundation for

2817
02:43:51,680 --> 02:43:54,000
Speaker 21: making it happen for future generations.

2818
02:43:54,400 --> 02:43:55,840
Speaker 7: So I got your book.

2819
02:43:55,959 --> 02:43:57,560
Speaker 21: Matter of fact, I'm sitting here looking at it right now.

2820
02:43:58,720 --> 02:44:00,720
Speaker 21: So I just wanted to get your shout out and

2821
02:44:00,760 --> 02:44:03,440
Speaker 21: get that information from you, and I just get some

2822
02:44:03,520 --> 02:44:06,080
Speaker 21: guidance on how you think I could, you know, try

2823
02:44:06,160 --> 02:44:08,400
Speaker 21: to get into the fight, you know, even at a

2824
02:44:09,000 --> 02:44:10,480
Speaker 21: somewhat seasoned age.

2825
02:44:12,560 --> 02:44:14,800
Speaker 8: I know what you mean about season age. It's never

2826
02:44:14,879 --> 02:44:16,920
Speaker 8: too late, my brother, and it's never too late to

2827
02:44:17,000 --> 02:44:20,000
Speaker 8: take that bar. I have no shame. I took the

2828
02:44:20,120 --> 02:44:24,160
Speaker 8: bar exam three times and on the third time was

2829
02:44:24,280 --> 02:44:28,000
Speaker 8: the duel. We got lat of ass. So don't give up.

2830
02:44:28,200 --> 02:44:30,040
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm just saying, you know, keep at it.

2831
02:44:31,000 --> 02:44:34,920
Speaker 8: The the reparations as simbily that's gonna be in DC

2832
02:44:35,640 --> 02:44:39,520
Speaker 8: later on this week. It is invitation only, however, to

2833
02:44:39,840 --> 02:44:43,000
Speaker 8: if you go to my website www dot Niki che

2834
02:44:43,160 --> 02:44:47,120
Speaker 8: Tyef dot org. And that's n K E C H

2835
02:44:47,280 --> 02:44:52,039
Speaker 8: I T A I F A or Reparation Education Projects

2836
02:44:52,080 --> 02:44:54,720
Speaker 8: dot org. That's reparation with doutor f sign up for

2837
02:44:55,680 --> 02:44:59,400
Speaker 8: on my saying Deuce letter singing, and you know, be

2838
02:44:59,520 --> 02:45:02,440
Speaker 8: in touch with to me because there are definitely ways

2839
02:45:02,480 --> 02:45:04,800
Speaker 8: in which you can plug into the movie. You don't

2840
02:45:04,840 --> 02:45:07,039
Speaker 8: have to be a lawyer also to plug into the movement.

2841
02:45:07,160 --> 02:45:10,080
Speaker 8: Please you don't. You don't have to be a lawyer.

2842
02:45:10,400 --> 02:45:15,120
Speaker 8: You say you're twenty years already into the legal provision.

2843
02:45:15,200 --> 02:45:17,200
Speaker 8: You don't give me a call. You can you can

2844
02:45:17,280 --> 02:45:19,280
Speaker 8: definitely fit in and be a part of Thank you

2845
02:45:19,400 --> 02:45:19,840
Speaker 8: for your call.

2846
02:45:20,879 --> 02:45:22,760
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, Carl. And let me just say this.

2847
02:45:23,200 --> 02:45:24,600
Speaker 1: You know, just no matter how many times you take

2848
02:45:24,760 --> 02:45:27,680
Speaker 1: the bar examin a fella out in California, it's supposed

2849
02:45:27,720 --> 02:45:31,600
Speaker 1: to California has the hardest bar test out there. And

2850
02:45:31,720 --> 02:45:34,440
Speaker 1: he took it twenty eight times, twenty eight on his

2851
02:45:34,560 --> 02:45:37,400
Speaker 1: twenty ninth time, he passed the bar. His son passed

2852
02:45:37,400 --> 02:45:39,880
Speaker 1: the bar before me son. He's an attorney, Maxifiler, and

2853
02:45:40,000 --> 02:45:43,959
Speaker 1: they had a TV show after himself. Hey, never again,

2854
02:45:44,080 --> 02:45:46,720
Speaker 1: like you said earlier, never give up, never give up.

2855
02:45:47,200 --> 02:45:49,400
Speaker 1: So you know the brother who there says he hasn't

2856
02:45:49,400 --> 02:45:51,680
Speaker 1: passed the bar. Keep on trying, brother, You may you know,

2857
02:45:51,800 --> 02:45:55,840
Speaker 1: maybe go to another state, because it's the bar. The

2858
02:45:55,959 --> 02:45:58,480
Speaker 1: tests in different states are different, the levels are different.

2859
02:45:58,760 --> 02:45:59,199
Speaker 5: Very true.

2860
02:45:59,600 --> 02:46:02,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, that's very true, because you could take it

2861
02:46:02,600 --> 02:46:06,240
Speaker 8: someplace and do what's called waves into another state. You

2862
02:46:06,360 --> 02:46:08,440
Speaker 8: know that sometimes, at least back in the day, you

2863
02:46:08,480 --> 02:46:10,480
Speaker 8: could take one part of the bar and if you

2864
02:46:10,760 --> 02:46:12,760
Speaker 8: got a high enough score, you didn't have to take

2865
02:46:12,800 --> 02:46:14,720
Speaker 8: the other part. So look and see what the rules

2866
02:46:14,760 --> 02:46:16,160
Speaker 8: and regulations.

2867
02:46:15,600 --> 02:46:16,720
Speaker 14: Are at this time.

2868
02:46:16,800 --> 02:46:19,880
Speaker 8: I have no idea, and be strategic, get it done.

2869
02:46:20,040 --> 02:46:20,800
Speaker 8: Don't give up.

2870
02:46:22,200 --> 02:46:24,800
Speaker 1: And answer this question. We can understand that you don't

2871
02:46:24,800 --> 02:46:26,160
Speaker 1: have to take the l set anymore for.

2872
02:46:28,280 --> 02:46:28,520
Speaker 8: The bar.

2873
02:46:30,240 --> 02:46:31,119
Speaker 13: I have no idea.

2874
02:46:31,760 --> 02:46:34,600
Speaker 8: I mean we're talking about fifty years ago. I don't

2875
02:46:34,640 --> 02:46:35,680
Speaker 8: know what they do now.

2876
02:46:36,440 --> 02:46:38,920
Speaker 13: So wow, I wish I had know that.

2877
02:46:39,360 --> 02:46:45,960
Speaker 8: But the policies and practice and book today. I appreciate

2878
02:46:46,480 --> 02:46:48,880
Speaker 8: you bringing me on, bring me back at some point.

2879
02:46:48,920 --> 02:46:51,680
Speaker 8: I know we always talk about reparations, but what's happening

2880
02:46:51,760 --> 02:46:55,040
Speaker 8: in New York next week with Ghana and the issue

2881
02:46:55,040 --> 02:46:59,320
Speaker 8: of reparations and diaspora is very important critical. I know

2882
02:46:59,360 --> 02:47:01,119
Speaker 8: you have other guests to talk about those things.

2883
02:47:01,360 --> 02:47:04,640
Speaker 5: But I will be there to witness this.

2884
02:47:04,879 --> 02:47:10,120
Speaker 8: Historic declaration on the floor of the United Nations as well.

2885
02:47:10,480 --> 02:47:13,200
Speaker 8: And again it's all of our reparations as well. It's

2886
02:47:13,240 --> 02:47:13,959
Speaker 8: all connected.

2887
02:47:15,360 --> 02:47:18,040
Speaker 1: So tell us again how to get the book before

2888
02:47:18,080 --> 02:47:18,959
Speaker 1: you go real quick.

2889
02:47:19,520 --> 02:47:21,720
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, so I always want if they want to

2890
02:47:21,720 --> 02:47:25,520
Speaker 8: get the physical book by Black after your American literary book,

2891
02:47:25,560 --> 02:47:29,000
Speaker 8: clo up. That's www dot a A l b c

2892
02:47:29,800 --> 02:47:33,320
Speaker 8: dot com. I'm a bestseller there. All my books are there,

2893
02:47:33,400 --> 02:47:36,199
Speaker 8: my reparations book, my Black Peller, Black Lawyer, my books

2894
02:47:36,240 --> 02:47:38,120
Speaker 8: for young people. Of course, you can go to that

2895
02:47:38,200 --> 02:47:40,400
Speaker 8: other place and get it and you order it now.

2896
02:47:40,720 --> 02:47:42,760
Speaker 8: It'll be at your doorstep in two minutes. But we

2897
02:47:42,840 --> 02:47:47,439
Speaker 8: won't talk about that. But the audiobook release. The audiobook,

2898
02:47:47,800 --> 02:47:50,680
Speaker 8: I'm not sure exactly when it's going to go live.

2899
02:47:51,280 --> 02:47:53,680
Speaker 8: So wherever you get your audio books, if you don't

2900
02:47:53,680 --> 02:47:56,000
Speaker 8: see it live by the end of this week, just

2901
02:47:56,160 --> 02:47:59,120
Speaker 8: keep checking back because it takes a while. But you

2902
02:47:59,200 --> 02:48:01,160
Speaker 8: want to you want to get physical book. But you

2903
02:48:01,280 --> 02:48:03,800
Speaker 8: want to hear me that ricked my own book too,

2904
02:48:03,879 --> 02:48:06,680
Speaker 8: because let me tell you, I put the emphasis where

2905
02:48:06,720 --> 02:48:07,800
Speaker 8: the emphasis.

2906
02:48:07,480 --> 02:48:08,080
Speaker 10: Needs to be.

2907
02:48:08,840 --> 02:48:12,360
Speaker 8: It's only I could do so again. That fireside chat

2908
02:48:12,440 --> 02:48:15,720
Speaker 8: with Red Kaar for my audiobook release celebration will be

2909
02:48:15,800 --> 02:48:19,440
Speaker 8: this Thursday, March nineteenth, six thirty to nine pm bus

2910
02:48:19,480 --> 02:48:21,760
Speaker 8: Boys and Poets fourteenth and you. But you know, the

2911
02:48:21,800 --> 02:48:24,400
Speaker 8: space is small, so it will be live stream. You

2912
02:48:24,440 --> 02:48:29,640
Speaker 8: can get the live stream link from my website Niki

2913
02:48:29,720 --> 02:48:34,039
Speaker 8: Chi Kayif dot org or Reparation Education Project dot org.

2914
02:48:35,400 --> 02:48:39,560
Speaker 8: But it will be love scenes on my YouTube channel. Okay,

2915
02:48:39,840 --> 02:48:43,360
Speaker 8: my YouTube channel is my name Niki chi Kayi for Experience,

2916
02:48:43,680 --> 02:48:45,320
Speaker 8: the Niki Chi Tayo for experience.

2917
02:48:47,760 --> 02:48:51,480
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, thank you. Turning in Nikicha Antifa,

2918
02:48:51,600 --> 02:48:54,000
Speaker 1: so thank you for sharing. I thank you. The book

2919
02:48:54,040 --> 02:48:56,280
Speaker 1: seems that I like it was a potheism for you,

2920
02:48:56,400 --> 02:48:58,440
Speaker 1: for you know, to get everything you wanted, just to

2921
02:48:58,520 --> 02:49:00,760
Speaker 1: get spill your guts out in there on those pages.

2922
02:49:02,320 --> 02:49:05,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's exactly what I did. That's why it's a memoir.

2923
02:49:05,879 --> 02:49:11,560
Speaker 8: It's a comprehensive memoir told by someone who is still living.

2924
02:49:11,600 --> 02:49:13,800
Speaker 8: And a lot of times biographies are down in folks

2925
02:49:13,840 --> 02:49:17,440
Speaker 8: are gone, you know, but I'm still here. And I

2926
02:49:17,560 --> 02:49:19,879
Speaker 8: will say in the six years of the book Coorts

2927
02:49:19,959 --> 02:49:22,680
Speaker 8: came out, I need to do an addendum, because there

2928
02:49:22,800 --> 02:49:25,800
Speaker 8: have been a lot of a lot of the people

2929
02:49:25,840 --> 02:49:29,360
Speaker 8: that I struggled to free are free now where now

2930
02:49:29,520 --> 02:49:31,840
Speaker 8: ancestors and things along those lives. Has been a lot

2931
02:49:31,879 --> 02:49:34,760
Speaker 8: of policy changes and all but again, if you want

2932
02:49:34,800 --> 02:49:38,320
Speaker 8: the history and background, black power, black lawyer, my audacious

2933
02:49:38,440 --> 02:49:39,560
Speaker 8: quest for justice.

2934
02:49:41,920 --> 02:49:44,040
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, attorney, and Kichi tell you, I

2935
02:49:44,080 --> 02:49:45,959
Speaker 1: think you for sharing that with us. Son, Mama Chellie,

2936
02:49:45,959 --> 02:49:50,640
Speaker 1: we're going to speak with Entertaina County State and Kevin

2937
02:49:50,680 --> 02:49:52,480
Speaker 1: look for us. She's calling in. He's got some problems

2938
02:49:52,520 --> 02:49:54,400
Speaker 1: with her phone, but she's gonna call it. So she's

2939
02:49:54,440 --> 02:49:57,279
Speaker 1: gonna call us. We'll be trying to reach over the somehow.

2940
02:49:57,360 --> 02:50:00,800
Speaker 1: It's our alliance of being blocked. But uh, anyway, she's

2941
02:50:00,800 --> 02:50:03,480
Speaker 1: gonna join us moment, Charlie, So family, stay with stay

2942
02:50:03,520 --> 02:50:07,200
Speaker 1: with stay with there, and we'll talk to entertainer and

2943
02:50:07,680 --> 02:50:09,800
Speaker 1: entertainer Candy State and of course maybe if you know

2944
02:50:09,840 --> 02:50:12,160
Speaker 1: a Candy State and know from I guess her best

2945
02:50:12,200 --> 02:50:16,240
Speaker 1: selling song Young Hearts Run Run Free, that that was

2946
02:50:16,320 --> 02:50:18,600
Speaker 1: the I think that was the do in the disco era,

2947
02:50:18,640 --> 02:50:21,240
Speaker 1: which she's got such an an enormous library now with

2948
02:50:21,280 --> 02:50:23,600
Speaker 1: stuff that she has done. Actually that's out there, and

2949
02:50:23,680 --> 02:50:25,840
Speaker 1: she's moved into the gospel work and she goes back

2950
02:50:25,879 --> 02:50:28,039
Speaker 1: and forth. She does a lot of work overseas too.

2951
02:50:28,120 --> 02:50:29,920
Speaker 1: You know, we're going to ask her about that because

2952
02:50:29,920 --> 02:50:31,680
Speaker 1: a lot of folks, a lot of a lot of

2953
02:50:31,879 --> 02:50:35,279
Speaker 1: folks of her caliber is just said, say seasoned artists,

2954
02:50:35,360 --> 02:50:38,520
Speaker 1: if you will. They're really big in Europe. They love

2955
02:50:38,600 --> 02:50:41,600
Speaker 1: them for some reason. They love the old stuff in Europe.

2956
02:50:41,680 --> 02:50:43,880
Speaker 1: So she goes on tour over there quite a bit

2957
02:50:43,959 --> 02:50:46,200
Speaker 1: as well. She's working with some young people as well,

2958
02:50:46,600 --> 02:50:49,440
Speaker 1: and she's she's just one of our heroes, you know,

2959
02:50:49,480 --> 02:50:51,600
Speaker 1: when it comes to one of these black women who

2960
02:50:51,640 --> 02:50:54,440
Speaker 1: have done so much for us. And uh, you know,

2961
02:50:54,879 --> 02:50:56,560
Speaker 1: but we got to take the shortbreak and we come

2962
02:50:56,640 --> 02:50:59,640
Speaker 1: back though. We're gonna hopefully we'll get candy. We'll call

2963
02:50:59,680 --> 02:51:01,560
Speaker 1: in and you can talk to you and again if

2964
02:51:01,560 --> 02:51:03,160
Speaker 1: you want to speak to her, well, let me do

2965
02:51:03,280 --> 02:51:08,080
Speaker 1: this before we take the break. Coming up, coming up

2966
02:51:08,520 --> 02:51:09,880
Speaker 1: the next few days, we're going to speak to a

2967
02:51:09,959 --> 02:51:13,520
Speaker 1: contracst the college professor Main new am Pin also natural

2968
02:51:13,600 --> 02:51:16,040
Speaker 1: paddic and holistic doctor doctor A is going to be

2969
02:51:16,120 --> 02:51:19,280
Speaker 1: here and from Baltimore, The National Black Unity News David

2970
02:51:19,360 --> 02:51:21,320
Speaker 1: Murphy's going to join us. So if you are in Baltimore,

2971
02:51:21,400 --> 02:51:23,320
Speaker 1: make sure you keep that radio locked in real tight

2972
02:51:23,400 --> 02:51:26,600
Speaker 1: on ten ten WLB, or if you're in the DMV

2973
02:51:26,720 --> 02:51:29,360
Speaker 1: here around fourteen fifty WL. So we're gonna take a

2974
02:51:29,360 --> 02:51:31,160
Speaker 1: show break. Hoffully come back with Candy State and we'll

2975
02:51:31,160 --> 02:51:33,640
Speaker 1: take your calls for her next and Grand Rising family,

2976
02:51:33,720 --> 02:51:36,160
Speaker 1: thanks for staying with us on this Tuesday morning, and

2977
02:51:36,400 --> 02:51:39,360
Speaker 1: we have now a very special guest, the Candy State

2978
02:51:39,400 --> 02:51:42,240
Speaker 1: and Grand Rising. Good morning, Candy, welcome back to the program.

2979
02:51:43,760 --> 02:51:46,120
Speaker 13: Thank you so much, Carl. Thanks family.

2980
02:51:47,040 --> 02:51:48,640
Speaker 1: Oh, of course all the time. How do you doing.

2981
02:51:48,680 --> 02:51:49,920
Speaker 1: How's the family? Everybody good?

2982
02:51:51,240 --> 02:51:52,240
Speaker 5: Everybody's good.

2983
02:51:52,800 --> 02:51:55,720
Speaker 13: I just had a birthday two days ago and we

2984
02:51:55,920 --> 02:51:59,320
Speaker 13: had a great, big birthday gathering here at my house.

2985
02:51:59,360 --> 02:52:02,400
Speaker 13: I had all my kids, grandkids. It was a house

2986
02:52:02,520 --> 02:52:06,520
Speaker 13: filled with people and I turned eighty six.

2987
02:52:07,840 --> 02:52:10,880
Speaker 1: Wow. Well, happy belated birthday for you.

2988
02:52:12,160 --> 02:52:12,720
Speaker 13: Well, thank you.

2989
02:52:13,879 --> 02:52:16,640
Speaker 1: And speaking about numbers, you know eighty six fifty years

2990
02:52:16,640 --> 02:52:20,160
Speaker 1: ago this year, Young Hearts Run Free made the chants

2991
02:52:20,480 --> 02:52:23,440
Speaker 1: number one, Bill bought R and B singles. Does it

2992
02:52:23,560 --> 02:52:25,359
Speaker 1: feel like like fifty years.

2993
02:52:27,000 --> 02:52:34,240
Speaker 13: No? No, no, I mean it's like it was like yesterday.

2994
02:52:34,440 --> 02:52:37,800
Speaker 13: Because it's so current. You know, everybody loves it and

2995
02:52:38,640 --> 02:52:43,600
Speaker 13: each time. You know, back in the day when the

2996
02:52:43,680 --> 02:52:46,760
Speaker 13: young people were growing up, their moms love Young Hearts

2997
02:52:46,840 --> 02:52:51,040
Speaker 13: run free. They didn't understand the lyrics, but the music

2998
02:52:51,240 --> 02:52:53,520
Speaker 13: was so great, and so they danced with mom in

2999
02:52:53,600 --> 02:52:57,480
Speaker 13: the kitchens and stuff. But now I get you know,

3000
02:52:57,680 --> 02:53:00,600
Speaker 13: I'm on Instagram a lot, and so I got this

3001
02:53:00,800 --> 02:53:04,600
Speaker 13: from I got a post from a lady. She said,

3002
02:53:04,600 --> 02:53:07,720
Speaker 13: when I was a child, my mother used to play it.

3003
02:53:07,800 --> 02:53:10,040
Speaker 13: I dance with her in the kitchen and she could breakfast,

3004
02:53:10,720 --> 02:53:14,480
Speaker 13: she said. Now that I'm forty something years old, she said,

3005
02:53:14,600 --> 02:53:18,760
Speaker 13: I'm listening to the lyrics, and she said, that's why

3006
02:53:18,920 --> 02:53:23,800
Speaker 13: this song never will go away, because all of us.

3007
02:53:23,840 --> 02:53:24,360
Speaker 5: Go through that.

3008
02:53:25,040 --> 02:53:27,480
Speaker 13: What's the sens in sharing this one and only life?

3009
02:53:28,320 --> 02:53:32,400
Speaker 13: Ending up just another lost and lonely wife. You'll kind

3010
02:53:32,480 --> 02:53:35,360
Speaker 13: up for years and they will be filled with tears.

3011
02:53:36,080 --> 02:53:39,480
Speaker 13: Love only breaks up to start over again. You'll get

3012
02:53:39,520 --> 02:53:42,600
Speaker 13: the babies, but you won't have your man while he's

3013
02:53:42,680 --> 02:53:46,080
Speaker 13: busy chasing every woman that he can. You say you're

3014
02:53:46,120 --> 02:53:48,960
Speaker 13: gonna leave one hundred times a day. It's easier said

3015
02:53:49,040 --> 02:53:51,560
Speaker 13: than done when you just can't break away.

3016
02:53:52,080 --> 02:53:54,080
Speaker 5: The young Hearts run free.

3017
02:53:55,520 --> 02:53:59,680
Speaker 1: Wow, it's still good today. I gotta tell you every

3018
02:53:59,720 --> 02:54:01,520
Speaker 1: time here and it still sounds good. You know, some

3019
02:54:01,640 --> 02:54:03,960
Speaker 1: records though, they don't hit you after here for a while.

3020
02:54:04,959 --> 02:54:06,960
Speaker 1: But listen, this is it for those of you who

3021
02:54:07,000 --> 02:54:07,320
Speaker 1: don't know.

3022
02:54:09,480 --> 02:54:14,320
Speaker 4: What's the simsen sharing this one and off the line ending.

3023
02:54:14,200 --> 02:54:17,840
Speaker 18: Up just enough and last and all the why you

3024
02:54:18,200 --> 02:54:21,640
Speaker 18: count up the ears and they will be deal with.

3025
02:54:26,959 --> 02:54:30,200
Speaker 1: That's Candy State, that's the record. How many copies that

3026
02:54:30,600 --> 02:54:32,320
Speaker 1: will have that record was sold?

3027
02:54:32,840 --> 02:54:35,600
Speaker 13: You know, I guess it's the millions.

3028
02:54:36,480 --> 02:54:43,000
Speaker 1: It's gotta be. Yeah, there's got to be in the millions. Yeah,

3029
02:54:43,200 --> 02:54:44,720
Speaker 1: But I want to ask you about to do it

3030
02:54:44,840 --> 02:54:48,000
Speaker 1: that you did with William Bell. Can you share the

3031
02:54:48,080 --> 02:54:48,720
Speaker 1: story about that?

3032
02:54:50,600 --> 02:54:54,200
Speaker 13: Yeah? I called William and I asked when you happen

3033
02:54:54,240 --> 02:54:54,920
Speaker 13: to do this song?

3034
02:54:55,640 --> 02:54:56,560
Speaker 5: And he said he would.

3035
02:54:57,920 --> 02:55:02,920
Speaker 13: It's the song child kept my mind. This morning I

3036
02:55:03,040 --> 02:55:07,080
Speaker 13: was writing down some of the songs from from the album,

3037
02:55:07,800 --> 02:55:09,760
Speaker 13: and Uh, I called with him. I said, he's been

3038
02:55:09,800 --> 02:55:12,040
Speaker 13: a friend of mine for years. William and I used

3039
02:55:12,080 --> 02:55:14,840
Speaker 13: to do a lot of dates together. You know, we

3040
02:55:14,920 --> 02:55:17,480
Speaker 13: used to go on the road together and I'd open

3041
02:55:17,640 --> 02:55:20,440
Speaker 13: and Steff so we even knowing each other for fifty

3042
02:55:20,480 --> 02:55:23,760
Speaker 13: or sixty years. You know, he's a year older than

3043
02:55:23,800 --> 02:55:27,440
Speaker 13: I am. So I asked him to help me do it,

3044
02:55:27,480 --> 02:55:30,000
Speaker 13: and he said, oh, yeah, sure I will. And he

3045
02:55:30,080 --> 02:55:33,600
Speaker 13: did it with me, and it's been great. Just he

3046
02:55:33,760 --> 02:55:36,640
Speaker 13: did a good job. He preached, you know, he was

3047
02:55:36,680 --> 02:55:39,080
Speaker 13: preaching on it. I said, I got your preaching, didn't I.

3048
02:55:40,760 --> 02:55:41,640
Speaker 1: Here's another song.

3049
02:55:46,120 --> 02:55:52,359
Speaker 4: I'm smalling minda with Chad Fine the room.

3050
02:55:53,720 --> 02:55:54,879
Speaker 5: And I'm heading there.

3051
02:55:57,040 --> 02:56:06,920
Speaker 4: And my back it's tired and bout christ I presented

3052
02:56:08,400 --> 02:56:15,480
Speaker 4: he brings the hands to lie the distance.

3053
02:56:16,840 --> 02:56:23,640
Speaker 2: But all you know that's.

3054
02:56:21,480 --> 02:56:24,600
Speaker 1: William Bell, you know. And and Candy stayed in this song.

3055
02:56:25,280 --> 02:56:27,800
Speaker 1: I missed, I missed my target. Some of you William

3056
02:56:27,800 --> 02:56:30,560
Speaker 1: Bell from He's doing with Judy Clay Private Number. And

3057
02:56:30,600 --> 02:56:32,680
Speaker 1: then he did a tribute to a king of Otis

3058
02:56:32,800 --> 02:56:35,600
Speaker 1: Otis Redney did that. I think he did that one. Uh,

3059
02:56:36,000 --> 02:56:42,400
Speaker 1: you don't miss your water? Well those songs, Candy, yes.

3060
02:56:43,120 --> 02:56:49,520
Speaker 13: Yes, I remember all those songs. I remember honors. I

3061
02:56:49,560 --> 02:56:52,160
Speaker 13: think he would come on, you know and help me

3062
02:56:52,240 --> 02:56:56,840
Speaker 13: with this one. My God has a telephone, and he

3063
02:56:57,000 --> 02:56:59,959
Speaker 13: came over and to the studio and we did it together.

3064
02:57:00,920 --> 02:57:04,360
Speaker 13: And I talked to them while we talk all the time, politics, whatever,

3065
02:57:04,560 --> 02:57:10,440
Speaker 13: We just talk friend. You know what, there's so many

3066
02:57:10,560 --> 02:57:14,840
Speaker 13: people that I know have passed on. It's just a

3067
02:57:14,920 --> 02:57:18,800
Speaker 13: few of us left. It's just a few legends left

3068
02:57:19,320 --> 02:57:23,040
Speaker 13: to tell the story about the Chicken circuit and where

3069
02:57:23,080 --> 02:57:26,280
Speaker 13: we came from. You know, a lot of these young

3070
02:57:26,280 --> 02:57:29,720
Speaker 13: people don't understand. We fought our way to where we

3071
02:57:29,840 --> 02:57:30,360
Speaker 13: are today.

3072
02:57:31,080 --> 02:57:31,600
Speaker 6: We fought.

3073
02:57:32,400 --> 02:57:37,160
Speaker 13: It wasn't no you know, no voice and and igel

3074
02:57:37,280 --> 02:57:41,560
Speaker 13: and all that stuff that you get overnight, your your

3075
02:57:41,800 --> 02:57:47,720
Speaker 13: your star. I wish, I wish it was like that

3076
02:57:47,879 --> 02:57:50,560
Speaker 13: in our day. But we had to drive three and

3077
02:57:50,640 --> 02:57:53,039
Speaker 13: four hundred miles just to get to the next gig.

3078
02:57:53,840 --> 02:57:57,360
Speaker 13: And sometimes it got paid and sometimes we didn't. So

3079
02:57:57,840 --> 02:58:00,680
Speaker 13: they're standing on our shoulders and they don't even know it.

3080
02:58:01,560 --> 02:58:03,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the sad part about it. Thirteen away from

3081
02:58:04,000 --> 02:58:05,600
Speaker 1: the top of the Candy State and I got to

3082
02:58:05,640 --> 02:58:08,080
Speaker 1: call it coming from Toronto. Norman has a question for

3083
02:58:08,200 --> 02:58:11,720
Speaker 1: as online too, Grand Rise in Norman, Kandy State.

3084
02:58:13,040 --> 02:58:18,160
Speaker 22: Grand Rising to you and miss Staaten uh miss Candy State,

3085
02:58:18,200 --> 02:58:19,120
Speaker 22: and how are you doing today?

3086
02:58:20,720 --> 02:58:25,120
Speaker 13: I'm going pretty good. All I live in Atlanta and

3087
02:58:25,200 --> 02:58:28,440
Speaker 13: I'm a little for it's today because of the Holland

3088
02:58:28,560 --> 02:58:33,400
Speaker 13: is harbor here, so you know, I don't try to

3089
02:58:33,480 --> 02:58:37,440
Speaker 13: get outside. But so but but the pollan, you know,

3090
02:58:37,560 --> 02:58:41,320
Speaker 13: anybody that comes from Georgia, you're gonna get a little horse.

3091
02:58:41,200 --> 02:58:43,160
Speaker 11: Because I'm a little horse that morning.

3092
02:58:43,800 --> 02:58:48,879
Speaker 22: But it has the same problem. I'm allergic to pollen

3093
02:58:49,000 --> 02:58:51,039
Speaker 22: as well. So I can relate to you.

3094
02:58:53,520 --> 02:58:54,480
Speaker 1: Any question, Norman.

3095
02:58:54,800 --> 02:58:57,680
Speaker 22: Yeah, I'm sorry to go with girl.

3096
02:58:58,320 --> 02:58:59,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, your question for her?

3097
02:59:01,000 --> 02:59:02,959
Speaker 22: Oh, I wanted to know how it was it working

3098
02:59:03,120 --> 02:59:10,440
Speaker 22: with Uh Bobby Womack one and two? Uh did you

3099
02:59:10,600 --> 02:59:13,680
Speaker 22: ever work or did you ever come in contact with

3100
02:59:14,000 --> 02:59:19,360
Speaker 22: Fred Gorey my pside Coregata in the Detroit the DJ.

3101
02:59:20,000 --> 02:59:23,720
Speaker 13: No, I don't think so. If I did, I don't remember.

3102
02:59:23,760 --> 02:59:29,640
Speaker 13: It's been so many years. But Bobby and I used

3103
02:59:29,680 --> 02:59:33,400
Speaker 13: to Bobby and I used to travel together, and now

3104
02:59:33,680 --> 02:59:37,720
Speaker 13: it's so many I've been with everybody. I mean everybody

3105
02:59:37,840 --> 02:59:40,760
Speaker 13: was on the same tour, you know. So I know

3106
02:59:40,879 --> 02:59:43,920
Speaker 13: a lot of people. That name doesn't ring a bell.

3107
02:59:47,440 --> 02:59:49,160
Speaker 22: Oh you mean Betty Bettish one.

3108
02:59:50,840 --> 02:59:55,600
Speaker 13: Oh Betty, Oh yeah, Betty and I, oh my god, George,

3109
02:59:55,720 --> 02:59:58,520
Speaker 13: your husband. I would be in the back seat with

3110
02:59:58,640 --> 03:00:03,440
Speaker 13: Betty and George many many times when back in the

3111
03:00:03,560 --> 03:00:09,400
Speaker 13: day when you couldn't get gas, you know, uh, gas

3112
03:00:09,600 --> 03:00:14,160
Speaker 13: was so cheap, but you couldn't use the restrooms black people.

3113
03:00:15,840 --> 03:00:21,080
Speaker 13: And George I remember one time, No, no, you couldn't.

3114
03:00:21,320 --> 03:00:24,120
Speaker 13: You couldn't use the restrooms. You could buy the gas, but.

3115
03:00:24,160 --> 03:00:25,360
Speaker 5: You couldn't use the restrooms.

3116
03:00:26,480 --> 03:00:34,080
Speaker 13: They had black they had white women, men and colored restrooms.

3117
03:00:34,720 --> 03:00:37,200
Speaker 13: So we were but way back in there, way back

3118
03:00:37,280 --> 03:00:40,240
Speaker 13: in the day. And I remember George cousing out this

3119
03:00:40,400 --> 03:00:43,359
Speaker 13: white guy and because we wanted to use the restroom,

3120
03:00:43,400 --> 03:00:46,000
Speaker 13: and he told him stop the gas right now, and

3121
03:00:46,160 --> 03:00:49,280
Speaker 13: we went somewhere else. But it was horbor back in

3122
03:00:49,320 --> 03:00:52,600
Speaker 13: the day, it was horrible. Oh man, I'll tell you,

3123
03:00:54,280 --> 03:00:55,720
Speaker 13: I hope we never get back to that.

3124
03:00:58,000 --> 03:01:01,440
Speaker 22: One is boarding the Stafleas. I was born in Arkadie,

3125
03:01:01,440 --> 03:01:07,040
Speaker 22: in Louisiana. So she's she was Betty Jeanie Champion. Yeah,

3126
03:01:07,120 --> 03:01:08,840
Speaker 22: born in Arkadie, Louisian Him.

3127
03:01:10,320 --> 03:01:14,280
Speaker 13: Yeah, I know Betty very well. Yeah, we were best friends.

3128
03:01:16,240 --> 03:01:19,560
Speaker 22: All right, thanks, she's still but I understand.

3129
03:01:21,320 --> 03:01:24,520
Speaker 13: I haven't heard from her in a long time, have you.

3130
03:01:30,120 --> 03:01:30,320
Speaker 4: Yeah?

3131
03:01:30,400 --> 03:01:34,200
Speaker 1: No, he hung up. You're doing the Back to My

3132
03:01:34,360 --> 03:01:37,840
Speaker 1: Roots two album, A soul a soul blues project. Can

3133
03:01:37,920 --> 03:01:38,600
Speaker 1: you tell us about that?

3134
03:01:40,240 --> 03:01:43,480
Speaker 13: Yeah, we started on it, our Bill and Bill Carbder

3135
03:01:43,520 --> 03:01:48,000
Speaker 13: and I and my my son Marcus, who is the producer,

3136
03:01:48,520 --> 03:01:51,120
Speaker 13: and he was a producer. You know, we were nominated,

3137
03:01:51,160 --> 03:01:51,400
Speaker 13: so this.

3138
03:01:51,520 --> 03:01:54,199
Speaker 1: Year is grabbing and congratulations.

3139
03:01:54,520 --> 03:01:58,520
Speaker 13: So he's a nominated producer now and we're starting on it.

3140
03:01:58,800 --> 03:02:02,120
Speaker 13: We're gonna soon get to it, you know, but I

3141
03:02:02,200 --> 03:02:05,080
Speaker 13: had to get over this was first and maybe to

3142
03:02:05,160 --> 03:02:08,200
Speaker 13: come out later all this year. Great songs on it.

3143
03:02:09,240 --> 03:02:12,160
Speaker 13: I covered a lot of songs. It's going to be

3144
03:02:12,200 --> 03:02:13,119
Speaker 13: a beautiful album.

3145
03:02:15,160 --> 03:02:17,760
Speaker 1: And Kenny, you've done a lot of gospel work too,

3146
03:02:18,040 --> 03:02:20,440
Speaker 1: Can you tell us about that? How did that come about?

3147
03:02:22,680 --> 03:02:26,080
Speaker 13: I was born in the church. My mom was a

3148
03:02:26,240 --> 03:02:30,600
Speaker 13: Christian and I was in church forty four seven. Seem

3149
03:02:30,800 --> 03:02:33,600
Speaker 13: like every time the door was opened, my mother was

3150
03:02:33,680 --> 03:02:37,199
Speaker 13: there caring us to the church. And I started singing

3151
03:02:37,240 --> 03:02:41,280
Speaker 13: at five gospel music. And then I got with a

3152
03:02:41,320 --> 03:02:46,000
Speaker 13: group when I was twelve, the Jewel Gospel Trio, and

3153
03:02:46,120 --> 03:02:48,720
Speaker 13: we went all around the world, all around the country.

3154
03:02:48,840 --> 03:02:53,000
Speaker 13: Rather with artists like the Blind Boys and Sam Cook

3155
03:02:53,120 --> 03:02:56,960
Speaker 13: and litver Rals and the staple singers Aretha Franklin, and

3156
03:02:58,440 --> 03:03:03,320
Speaker 13: it's stilled them, traveler and you name it. We I

3157
03:03:03,480 --> 03:03:06,039
Speaker 13: was with everybody, I do, all of these people before

3158
03:03:06,120 --> 03:03:12,240
Speaker 13: they crossed over into secular music. And yeah, I've been

3159
03:03:12,320 --> 03:03:13,320
Speaker 13: around for.

3160
03:03:13,520 --> 03:03:17,240
Speaker 1: Many years and we love to have you and love

3161
03:03:17,320 --> 03:03:19,600
Speaker 1: to have these conversations about music back in the day.

3162
03:03:19,600 --> 03:03:21,920
Speaker 1: I know you have these conversations with your children, especially

3163
03:03:21,959 --> 03:03:24,600
Speaker 1: today's music. Your thoughts on today's music Writing a.

3164
03:03:24,640 --> 03:03:28,960
Speaker 13: Book about the Yeah, I'm right, I'm right trying to

3165
03:03:28,959 --> 03:03:32,520
Speaker 13: get a book out by the Chien about the chittling circuits.

3166
03:03:32,600 --> 03:03:33,640
Speaker 5: People don't talk about it.

3167
03:03:33,720 --> 03:03:34,160
Speaker 11: No more.

3168
03:03:36,480 --> 03:03:39,240
Speaker 1: Today's music. Your thoughts on today's music, Candy.

3169
03:03:41,640 --> 03:03:44,880
Speaker 13: I don't know. It's it's hard to say, you know. Uh,

3170
03:03:45,959 --> 03:03:48,480
Speaker 13: I don't understand what it's. You know, I'm from the

3171
03:03:48,600 --> 03:03:55,840
Speaker 13: old school and music had meaning, words had meaning, lyrics

3172
03:03:56,440 --> 03:04:00,120
Speaker 13: had meaning. It told stories that you could understand. And

3173
03:04:01,840 --> 03:04:06,119
Speaker 13: I love it, uh, you know, but I don't understand

3174
03:04:06,280 --> 03:04:09,480
Speaker 13: some of the some of the lyrics that and the

3175
03:04:09,640 --> 03:04:14,800
Speaker 13: music that they're doing nowadays, it's more ad libs than

3176
03:04:14,879 --> 03:04:16,840
Speaker 13: they are just telling stories.

3177
03:04:17,080 --> 03:04:23,320
Speaker 8: That's just my opinion, all right.

3178
03:04:23,480 --> 03:04:25,600
Speaker 1: And I understand that they send up a scholarship for you.

3179
03:04:25,760 --> 03:04:26,840
Speaker 1: Can you tell us about that?

3180
03:04:27,000 --> 03:04:33,600
Speaker 13: The Candy yeah, I got a scholarship at the college

3181
03:04:35,560 --> 03:04:39,959
Speaker 13: here here in Atlanta for the black kids, uh going

3182
03:04:40,000 --> 03:04:43,800
Speaker 13: to school that I wanted to help them get a college.

3183
03:04:44,040 --> 03:04:47,280
Speaker 13: Uh send send some of those kids to college. So

3184
03:04:47,440 --> 03:04:50,240
Speaker 13: we just started it a little about a year ago,

3185
03:04:51,120 --> 03:04:53,440
Speaker 13: and we're trying to get people to help us to

3186
03:04:53,560 --> 03:04:56,920
Speaker 13: do it. So it's uh, it's it's a wonderful thing,

3187
03:04:57,200 --> 03:05:02,840
Speaker 13: and I am very proud that they chose me. Do

3188
03:05:03,040 --> 03:05:05,520
Speaker 13: I put it in my name as a legend for

3189
03:05:06,680 --> 03:05:12,120
Speaker 13: the future. So Georgia State here, I take you the

3190
03:05:12,200 --> 03:05:15,680
Speaker 13: university one of the Uh it's early in the morning.

3191
03:05:15,760 --> 03:05:17,760
Speaker 13: Y'all got to overlook me and I maybe six.

3192
03:05:17,840 --> 03:05:26,240
Speaker 1: Okay, University of Georgia. Yeah, University of Georgia. University of Georgia, Yeah,

3193
03:05:26,400 --> 03:05:31,640
Speaker 1: bull I. But listen, Candy, just about a time, we're

3194
03:05:31,640 --> 03:05:33,440
Speaker 1: gonna let you go, but thank you. I hope you

3195
03:05:33,520 --> 03:05:36,000
Speaker 1: feel better, and we're gonna Kevin's gonna play one of

3196
03:05:36,040 --> 03:05:37,960
Speaker 1: your songs to take us home. But thank you again,

3197
03:05:38,080 --> 03:05:39,080
Speaker 1: Candy Staten.

3198
03:05:39,320 --> 03:05:41,120
Speaker 13: You're so welcome. Thanks for having me.

3199
03:05:41,920 --> 03:05:55,640
Speaker 18: Alrighty, Kevin, shut around the curve, shout around the big

3200
03:05:56,120 --> 03:05:57,359
Speaker 18: thin for thescontle.

3201
03:05:57,440 --> 03:05:57,840
Speaker 16: I ain't know.

3202
03:05:59,360 --> 03:06:01,720
Speaker 8: I'm just the Tarkas to gain.

3203
03:06:04,879 --> 03:06:27,520
Speaker 4: I missed the target again. Oh oh yeah, I missed.

3204
03:06:31,879 --> 03:06:34,760
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm trained most of the time. You

3205
03:06:34,840 --> 03:06:37,199
Speaker 4: know what I want, but I can't see the pot.

3206
03:06:37,959 --> 03:06:39,240
Speaker 4: I'm miss the targa.

3207
03:06:40,000 --> 03:06:45,840
Speaker 8: Okay, I missed the tar again.

3208
03:06:48,920 --> 03:06:54,400
Speaker 4: I'll see what I've been praying for coming through the things.

3209
03:06:54,480 --> 03:06:57,480
Speaker 4: I'm believing folk to make my dreams come true.

3210
03:06:59,600 --> 03:07:01,840
Speaker 3: Baby, it's not maybe it's never.

3211
03:07:02,400 --> 03:07:04,680
Speaker 1: Maybe it's when not get to heaven.

3212
03:07:05,280 --> 03:07:12,120
Speaker 4: I'm gonna hit that tar Ain and win. How d yeah,

3213
03:07:12,760 --> 03:07:16,000
Speaker 4: how h yuh oh?

3214
03:07:21,080 --> 03:07:23,160
Speaker 13: How ya.

3215
03:07:25,360 --> 03:07:25,920
Speaker 5: Su yoh?

3216
03:07:28,520 --> 03:07:29,960
Speaker 4: Talk again,