1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: So it came out last night. 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 2: Jake Sherman broke this at Jake Sherman on Twitter, and 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 2: now the Indiana Capitol Chronicle has a big amongst others 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 2: have big articles on it as well, that the pressure 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 2: is mounting because so many Republicans in the House and 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 2: Senate here in the state of Indiana are coming out 7 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 2: saying the obvious, which is this is it relates to 8 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 2: re districting completely just partisan politics. There's zero reason we 9 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: can even lie to you and try to make up 10 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: a reason we would need to do it for anything 11 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: other than that. And we have seen numerous members of 12 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: the House and Senate say we're completely out on this. 13 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: And it was believed as we talked to Nicki Kelly yesterday, 14 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 2: that momentum was mounting that there will not even be 15 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: a special session called due to a lack of support 16 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 2: for this. 17 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: And apparently the. 18 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: White House got w into this, and now they have 19 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: summoned the Indiana General Assembly, the Republicans to the White. 20 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 3: House, come to the Principal's office. That's what it sounds like. 21 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 3: It makes no sense that we would even consider doing 22 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 3: this Indiana. We don't need to do it. We have 23 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 3: a huge supermajority. There's no need to redraw any lines 24 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,199 Speaker 3: that The problem is they just want every other stayed 25 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 3: to be locking step and it just doesn't work for 26 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 3: certain states. 27 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: There's no need. 28 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 2: Well, it's a numbers game, and I am sure to 29 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 2: some level when the Trump administration first went down this 30 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: rabbit hole, which was to begin the process with Texas, see, 31 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 2: Ohio has to do it. There's some obligation, like legal 32 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 2: obligation Ohio has because of the way there is their constitution, 33 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 2: their state government is set up. They have to do this, 34 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: and they do this on this way every set of cycles. 35 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 2: But with places like Texas, I'm sure once Texas went forward, 36 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: they knew California would respond, We'll get to California here 37 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: in just a moment, because they had a whole hullabaloo yesterday. 38 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 2: And then the Trump administration started doing math in their head, 39 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: who are not only reliable Republican governors, but reliably Republican states. 40 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: We think we can get a. 41 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 2: B or C out of them, and in their mind, 42 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: the numbers if they got everybody to cooperate with work 43 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: in their favor. The problem is if one or more 44 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 2: of these states like Indiana appeared appears whatever. 45 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: To be going down. Don't do what you think they're 46 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: going to do. 47 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: Then the whole thing falls apart and you could theoretically 48 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: end up actually losing seats because of what California can 49 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 2: actually do well. 50 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 3: And to your point yesterday, once Indiana does it, California's next, 51 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 3: then Ohio goes in, Wisconsin goes in Minnesota, and it 52 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 3: just doesn't matter. We're just moving two from here, three 53 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 3: from here, and we end up in the same place almost. 54 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 3: But what's the point of redrawing lines because you have 55 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 3: to play for the census, right you should, That's the 56 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 3: way we've always done it. And we're counting to illegals 57 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 3: in the census. 58 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 2: Hey, look again, totally disagree with that, Totally disagree that 59 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: illegal immigrants should be counted, that you should be giving 60 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 2: congressional representation based on people illegally being in the country. 61 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:56,839 Speaker 1: But that's not my choice to make. 62 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: The courts have ruled on it now again, different Supreme 63 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 2: Court than whatever that was six years ago, five years 64 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: ago when that case was being adjudicated. If you want 65 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 2: to take it back to the Supreme Court and try 66 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: it again, different, great, have that. 67 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: I support that all day long. 68 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 2: But because somebody asked me this earlier today on Twitter, 69 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 2: So what about all the jerrymandering the Democrats have been 70 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 2: doing for all these years? Every state jerrymanders, we jerrymander. 71 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 2: The districts are a highly jerrymandered. Literally, they changed andre 72 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 2: Carson and Victoria Sparks district this past time because she 73 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: was in danger of losing. 74 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: They moved a bunch. 75 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 2: They moved that district to the north to help Victoria Sparks, 76 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 2: which made it more in favor of Andre Carson. 77 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 3: And that like took her away from like ninety six 78 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 3: Street and push your towards. 79 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 2: Kokomo, right, and that's your neck of the was yea, right, 80 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 2: That's how I know she's your rep. They're already rigging 81 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: the system. Let's not act like just because Indiana's mass 82 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 2: might be a little bit better than the state of Illinois, 83 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 2: they also have less population. But it don't act like it. 84 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: They're not. They haven't been in the do this with. 85 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: The state House seats. They do it with the state 86 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 2: Senate seats. So let's sound act like we're on some 87 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: moral high horse here in Indiana where we've not done this. 88 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: We are participating the same way as every other state. 89 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 2: Republican states do it, Democrat states do it. And we 90 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 2: sort of have this gentleman's agreement honor amongst thieves, right, like, 91 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: we'll only screw each other every ten years. And that's 92 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 2: why instead of Indiana now it's it's not competitive anymore. 93 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: But used to you fight, would fight like hell every 94 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 2: ten years to win the House of Representative. 95 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 3: You would essentially control very important job absolutely for the 96 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 3: next ten years. You're joining representation. 97 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 2: But we're so shady now in this country that even 98 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 2: the honor amongst Thieves agreement won't hold weight anymore. And 99 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 2: I told somebody said, look, it's a pretty hard argument 100 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 2: to make to say we should have dishonest, rotten government 101 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: in Indiana more so than we already do, because we 102 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 2: already have dishonest, rotten government just because somebody. 103 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: Might, so we should screw We should screw. 104 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 2: You in Indiana just because somebody in California got I 105 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 2: don't want that for my government. And I'm because I'm 106 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 2: not playing team sport, because I look at both of 107 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: these parties essentially as equally awful. They both fail in governance, 108 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 2: they're both for the crony capitalism, they both are spending 109 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 2: us into oblivion. So unless you're just cheerleading for one team, 110 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 2: why would you possibly want the election system rigged further 111 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 2: than it already is? Why would you possibly want the 112 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 2: elections to be any more unfair than they already are. 113 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 2: I just I don't want any part of this, because 114 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 2: what a novel concept. I believe in fair, honest government, 115 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,239 Speaker 2: and I believe in fair honest elections. 116 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 3: It's it's hard to cheerlead for one team when one 117 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 3: team is kind of the cause of all of our 118 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 3: issues in this state. 119 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: Now here's what's fascinating. 120 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 2: They're sending the thing out in full force because Charlie 121 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:52,679 Speaker 2: Kirk came out and this is gross man like. Charlie 122 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 2: Kirk does not live in our state. I'm sure he 123 00:05:55,200 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 2: probably at some point has been failed on everybody during 124 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: the property tax fight, and I had to talk to 125 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 2: his legal counsel about property taxes because he was too 126 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 2: busy palnd around with Charlie Kirk. So, Charlie Gray has 127 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: been to Indiana, but uh doesn't live here as far 128 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 2: as I know, unless he's taken up residency here in 129 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 2: the past what few days, and so he's on Twitter 130 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 2: our Indiana House Speaker Todd Houston and Senate President Rod 131 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 2: Bray going to ignore President Trump, the majority of their 132 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: voters and the GOP grassroots across the country by refusing 133 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 2: to rear district Indiana's congressional seats. Let's hope they're better 134 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 2: than that, first of all. And I am loth to 135 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 2: ever defend the Flanders boys, Rod Bray and Todd Houston. 136 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 2: They don't work for Donald Trump. Donald Trump made their boss. 137 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,799 Speaker 2: He ain't even a constituent. You know who is their boss? 138 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: And a constituent me? You and me, Kevin. Yeah, you're listen. 139 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 2: And this is a very very disturbing insight the Charlie 140 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 2: kirk Gate that he believes, as do many people, that 141 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 2: the job of elected officials now is to be totally 142 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 2: subservient to Donald Trump. 143 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: When do you think that started? 144 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 3: I listen, I'm one hundred percent agree with you that 145 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 3: this is why people don't get out of line with Trump, 146 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 3: because you get the Charlie Kirks of the world attack 147 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 3: you now on social media? 148 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: So what? Or the Laura Loomers or the whoage? So what? 149 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: I agree, if you're let's work to this lot. Not 150 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: everybody's as tough. 151 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 3: As you, well, your bulletproof over here to have flaon rob. 152 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 3: But you can't care, like if you're trying to get reelected, 153 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 3: you have to care. 154 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: Why. 155 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 2: Okay, if you're living okay, let's just play this out right. 156 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 2: If you're living in let's just pick a suburban district 157 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: somewhere in Zionsville. Like let's say you're Becky Cash in Zionsville, 158 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 2: who she's rotten at her job, but we'll just pick 159 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 2: her because she's Zionsville, Brownsburg. Are you thinking, Okay, my 160 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: constituents aren't passionate about this. They're not for this. I'm 161 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 2: not hearing from a ton of people. And like I said, 162 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: I just picked a random person. Maybe she's getting just 163 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: a flood of emails for this. Dan Lopez, whoever. 164 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 3: Right, he's well, he's clearly against it, but he's against it. 165 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 2: Do you think that a bunch of people because Laura 166 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 2: lumor in Zionsville or Brownsburg, because Laura Lumer or Charlie Kirk, I. 167 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 3: Mean constituents, but they'd be people from all over social 168 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 3: media cares they do? 169 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: Why? I don't know? They can't vote you in or out? 170 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 3: I mean, okay, So to your point, why didn't Micah 171 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 3: say he was against asb one who cares? 172 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: You're not voting, What do you care what the people say. 173 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 3: Just come out and say you're against it because you 174 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 3: don't want to ruffle the feathers of the guy ahead 175 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 3: of you. 176 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 2: That's but that's you see, you're yeah, you're hitting my point, 177 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 2: which is they believe that they can bully people by 178 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 2: amplifying voices that have no say in this process. That 179 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 2: is so ridiculous and. 180 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 3: It works, it works, unfortunately, But that is so ridiculous 181 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 3: that you believe that because I can rile some guy 182 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 3: up in Utah, that that that has an impact on 183 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 3: some person who's a state rep in Carmel. What the 184 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 3: hell do you care what some guy in Utah thinks 185 00:08:58,800 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 3: about you? 186 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 2: And by the way, Charlie Kirk, apparently the majority of 187 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 2: voters aren't overwhelmingly passionate about this, based on the amount 188 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 2: of Republicans who have already publicly hopped off. 189 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 3: The ship, which is which is kudos to those people 190 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 3: to take a stand and go, you know what, I 191 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 3: don't agree with this and do it vocally. 192 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 2: And the GOP grass roots across the country, what does 193 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: the GOP grassroots across the country have to do with 194 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: fair elections. Why don't we just say it out loud, 195 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 2: it's whose line is it? 196 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: Anyway? 197 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 3: Our gum, literally, whose line is it? Were the games 198 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 3: made up and the rules don't matter? Charlie Kirk doesn't 199 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 3: give a damn about the state of Indiana