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Speaker 2: Right, Eddie and single ladies of Indianapolis, please reach out.

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Speaker 2: That's great.

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Speaker 1: Well again, that's our friend JP from the first go round.

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Speaker 1: Now here it is. The time has arrived and this

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Speaker 1: Jake twenty five the discount code JP. Joining us now

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Speaker 1: on the program, JP, first off Mery Christmas too, Ye yeah.

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Speaker 2: Mary Christmas. That's that's quite a memory you guys have.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know ize that made such an impression on

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Speaker 1: The dulcet tones of JP Shaddick, I mean, and we

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Speaker 1: we've been anticipating it. I mean, and I think, to

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I'll be stuck in the studio in Jacksonville this week.

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Speaker 1: Ah Eddie, do you happen to have the breaking news

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Speaker 1: this weekend. H Well, JP, thanks for joining us. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you next year. All right, Hey, let's get

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Speaker 1: to this. This is clearly Look and you tell me

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Speaker 1: what has been the difference for this Jacks team, Because

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Speaker 1: this very quietly, JP, this might be right now the

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean the quarterback play is the difference. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he is playing out of his mind right now, or

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Speaker 2: the next step for Trevor Lawrence? And I think he's

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Speaker 2: for improvement, but that's been the number one thing because

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Speaker 2: he has really been executing in the passing game at

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Speaker 1: The getting him playing at a high level, and we're

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Speaker 1: Right time when you look. And I'm curious if Trevor

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Speaker 1: And I know at this point, especially for you, it's

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Speaker 1: But JP Shatterck and I know you're with the the

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Speaker 2: I think there was a general lack of that. You

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Speaker 1: You know, if you look at the Colts season JP

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Speaker 2: then I think going to Denver proved that. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: Is there another area that? And it does appear as

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Speaker 1: though you pointed out well, JP, and I appreciate it

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Speaker 1: they've been consistently obviously competitive all year long, but this

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Speaker 1: Absolutely so when you look at that, are there other

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Speaker 2: Totally new scheme on defense, some new faces in there.

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Speaker 1: A run, you know they. Parker Washington is a guy

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Speaker 2: have said the Rams. I think, you know, they've got

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Speaker 2: tough because the Rams have fallen off just a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I always ask this question. You ready, Yeah, And

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Speaker 2: I saw him last night Denver Broncos. Yes, I mean

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Speaker 2: And then last night at Arrowhead, the Chiefs third string

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Speaker 2: I mean, so they they were really down to the

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get I totally agree with that. By the way,

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Speaker 2: Seattle's really stout upfront on defense. But then Sam Donald

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Speaker 1: Do you trust and nothing? And listen, he's a great

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Speaker 1: Johnny come lately? You more buy Philly or New England.

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Speaker 1: Fair Hey, JP, can we can I mix in little

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Speaker 2: Knowledge that sure.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but I've done some games, college football playoffs. I

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Speaker 1: the best team in college football is who?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I think the best team this year is it's Indiana.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, because Indiana and Indiana fans are curious about Alabama.

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Speaker 2: But what is it about Alabama that is susceptible? Their

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Speaker 2: run game stinks. They cannot run the football. They've tried

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Speaker 1: So what we know is this, the Alabama rushing attack

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Speaker 1: the Ladies of India by JP Shadwick. Precedent's there. History's there,

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Speaker 1: but not not president right now?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Is that what we're getting at.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of what it is. Yeah, I mean it

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Speaker 1: But that's not to say that there aren't recruiting efforts

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Speaker 2: Right, what a couple of trophies before but not right now?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 1: Fair enough? Well, well we'll let everybody know to make

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Speaker 2: Right, Good luck with that. I you know, unfortunately you

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Speaker 2: might just have to be a little bit later, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, JP, I appreciate the time as always, man, Happy

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Speaker 1: holidays to you, all right, always enjoy.

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Speaker 2: It man, Merry Christmas, Happy holidays, and enjoy the game.

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Speaker 1: This Sunday appreciated JP Shadwick joining us on the Java

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Speaker 1: House Peel and poor guest line. He is not on

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Speaker 1: Nick Kelly joining us. Nick, I'll bet every time you

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Speaker 1: do a radio hit somewhere they play Leonard Skinner to

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Speaker 1: Sweet Home Alabama.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: It definitely is a common one, no doubt.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you can't go many places in this stay

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Speaker 5: without hearing it, especially around brand Any Stadium on game days.

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Speaker 1: So were you impressed by the fact we played the

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Speaker 1: Alabama soung by the doors instead of Sweet Home Alabama?

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Speaker 2: See?

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Speaker 5: I like creativity, so like I like when when I'm

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Speaker 5: presented with that, So I respect that. I appreciate it,

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Speaker 5: and uh, well done, gold stars all around.

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Speaker 1: There we go. That's what. Okay, Well thanks for joining us, Nick,

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Speaker 1: Happy holidays too. No, I'm just kidding. Okay, let's get

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Speaker 1: to this. This matchup is fascinating because you have, you know,

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Speaker 1: Calen de Boor, who obviously at one time was on

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Speaker 1: staff in Indiana. You've got Kurt Signetti, who was at

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Speaker 1: one time on staff at Alabama. How much is that

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Speaker 1: from the Signetti factor? I am curious what is the

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Speaker 1: Alabama fan or you know, media perception of Kurt Signetti

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Speaker 1: and recollection or feeling of connection to him to Alabama.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there's definitely some I think that it's

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Speaker 5: fascinating where I think some people forget just how I

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Speaker 5: guess significant that he was or how long he was

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Speaker 5: here for. I think people forget that because it was

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Speaker 5: a while ago. But he was here for four seasons,

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Speaker 5: right from seven to twenty ten. So he was an

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Speaker 5: integral part of really getting this thing off the ground

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Speaker 5: for the Saban dynasty and then not only getting off

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Speaker 5: the ground but winning and a fascinating dynamic too. Was

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Speaker 5: so he was the guy on the sideline that was

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Speaker 5: essentially the conduit for the OC and the press box

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Speaker 5: and the guys on the field. So you'd have when

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Speaker 5: it was Jim McElwain when he was there for a

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Speaker 5: couple of seasons, he was communicating with Signette. He was

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Speaker 5: on the sideline, and then Signette would be the one

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Speaker 5: communicating signals. He'd be the one talking to players, you know,

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Speaker 5: getting them coached up.

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Speaker 4: He'd be the one that.

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Speaker 5: If Nick Faban was upset about someone with the offense,

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Speaker 5: if he wanted to talk to someone on the sideline,

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Speaker 5: he'd be the guy for that. So he really had

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Speaker 5: a big role, and he had a big role in

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Speaker 5: recruiting guys like mark Ingram and just you know coaching

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Speaker 5: up guys like Julio Jones. So I think people obviously

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Speaker 5: they when they think of the early days, they think

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Speaker 5: of Nick Saban, they think of the coordinators, But really

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Speaker 5: Kurt Signetty was an integral part of that staff, and

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Speaker 5: I think that folks here are of what he's done

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Speaker 5: since he was here.

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Speaker 1: This is kind of this is going to sound weird

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Speaker 1: to ask it this way, because it's one would assume,

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Speaker 1: But Alabama's different. It's just different than other places. Did

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Speaker 1: debor cement himself by getting that win against Oklahoma? Or

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Speaker 1: was that not even necessary and needed? How stable is

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Speaker 1: he as the head coach at Alabama?

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Speaker 5: I think it was a massive win, and to your point,

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Speaker 5: I do think that it went a long way toward Okay,

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Speaker 5: this guy's legitimate. This guy can do some big things here,

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Speaker 5: because he'd want some big games in the regular season,

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Speaker 5: but in Alabama, fair or not, the expectations championships. So

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Speaker 5: when you're doing some great things in the regular season,

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Speaker 5: that's one thing, But when you're winning big games on

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Speaker 5: the road, I mean, that was a tough game to

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Speaker 5: win when you're down seventeen to a good defensive team

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Speaker 5: like that at Oklahoma, at their place. I mean, I

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Speaker 5: think most of us, if we're being on wrote off Alabama,

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Speaker 5: kalend Bor kept his guys steady, and he got him

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Speaker 5: to a place where they could go win that game

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Speaker 5: and not just win it, but I mean they were

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Speaker 5: quite dominant in the second half of that game. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: I think that that really earned him some of the

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Speaker 5: people who are still doubting him, earned that respect for him,

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Speaker 5: got them more on board.

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Speaker 4: And I think that no matter what.

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Speaker 5: Happens from here on out, I think it's a launching

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Speaker 5: point for year three of Kalen de Boor.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Kalen de Boor. At night, he is staring at

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Speaker 1: the ceiling and he is worried about what aspect of

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Speaker 1: his football team that still has not been as consistent

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Speaker 1: as he'd like.

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Speaker 5: That's a good question, I would say. I would say

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Speaker 5: the running game just I mean, and that's kind of

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Speaker 5: easy answer because it hasn't really been there. And even

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Speaker 5: when as I give you that answer, I'm still kind

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Speaker 5: of like, well, it hasn't been there all years. So like,

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Speaker 5: I don't think they're at a point where they're expecting

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Speaker 5: it to be great. But I think that them getting

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Speaker 5: that running game to a respectable or disserviceable point is

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Speaker 5: something that they need to I won't say be stressed about,

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Speaker 5: but definitely be focusing on because at this point, no,

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Speaker 5: the running game is not going to win them the

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Speaker 5: game against Indiana or anyone, but they need some effective

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Speaker 5: running to happen just to keep defenses honest against the past.

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Speaker 4: But no doubt they're going to win the game on

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Speaker 4: in their passing game.

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Speaker 5: But I guess the other answer I can give you

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Speaker 5: is the offensive line for them, because it has been inconsistent,

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Speaker 5: hasn't always been there. They had a pretty good game

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Speaker 5: against Oklahoma as the game went on, they had some

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Speaker 5: good plays and they played well. But I think that

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Speaker 5: if I'm going to give you maybe a more nuanced answer,

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Speaker 5: I'll give you offensive line.

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Speaker 1: When you look at this matchup, okay, and you you know,

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Speaker 1: Alabama's Alabama, right, And I'm not gonna lie to you, Nick,

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Speaker 1: Even in Indiana, to me, it still seems almost surreal.

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Speaker 1: And that's so unfair because they have not one, but

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Speaker 1: two of the best wins in the season. Does Indiana.

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Speaker 1: Indiana has the best resume. Indiana has literally not made mistakes,

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Speaker 1: and when they have, they've been able to immediately overcome them. Okay,

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Speaker 1: what is the perception, what is the vibe you feel

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Speaker 1: from within Alabama about Indiana and this team.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's interesting because I think last season it was well,

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Speaker 5: you know who they play or who they're really beaten, right,

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Speaker 5: So I think that there was some people who are

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Speaker 5: maybe not buying into the Indiana hype. I think just

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Speaker 5: when you talk to people around here, there are definitely

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Speaker 5: more people who realize this team's legit now this year,

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Speaker 5: I mean, this is a real contender and obviously they're

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Speaker 5: the number one seed, but they have good wins too.

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Speaker 5: I will say though, just because I think it takes

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Speaker 5: so much time to get people to change their opinions

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Speaker 5: of just a brand when they're so far away from

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Speaker 5: it is, I do think there are still some people

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Speaker 5: here who doubt whether Indiana how legitimate their success is.

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Speaker 5: And I'm not one of those people, to be clear,

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Speaker 5: I really do think this is a great Indiana team,

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Speaker 5: and I'm believer in Kurt Signetti. But I do think

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Speaker 5: that some people are still slow to the idea of

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Speaker 5: Indiana being a dominant power in college football. And I

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Speaker 5: think that's especially the case when you're as far removed

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Speaker 5: as some people are here in the South. And I

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Speaker 5: just think in general that most people in the South

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Speaker 5: are going to tell you that SEC football, in their minds,

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Speaker 5: is better than the Big Ten football. So I think

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Speaker 5: that that you have to fight that bias as well.

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Speaker 5: So I think that a lot of people are thinking that,

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Speaker 5: you know, they're maybe not giving Indiana the credit they deserve.

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Speaker 4: But I'm not one of those people.

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Speaker 1: Just for the record, you know, Nick, it's funny. Nick

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Speaker 1: Kelly's my guest, by the way, al dot com. He

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Speaker 1: is the beat writer for the University of Alabama football program.

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Speaker 1: And it's funny, Nick, because when the whole nil thing happened,

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Speaker 1: the thought was, and especially for people that are fans

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Speaker 1: of Indiana right who'd been just a doormat, Oh, this

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Speaker 1: is just going to make the rich get richer. Ohio State, Alabama,

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Speaker 1: and Clemson are just going to dominate college football now

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Speaker 1: because everything's just going to funnel towards that. And yet

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Speaker 1: it is Indiana, it is Texas Tech and their oil money,

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Speaker 1: it is you know, Arizona State a year ago, whatever

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Speaker 1: it might be. It's those programs that really have been

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Speaker 1: able to utilize this to lift themselves. Do you think

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Speaker 1: this is sustainable for Indiana or for whatever program? Or

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Speaker 1: are we going to see a carousel of teams have

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Speaker 1: a three year window and then boom, somebody else becomes

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Speaker 1: the hot, big thing because you can't keep dipping into

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Speaker 1: the same financial well, et cetera.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't mean to give you a fence straveling

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Speaker 5: answer here, but I think it's kind of we'll see.

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Speaker 5: I do think it depends on what you define as sustainable.

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Speaker 5: Does it mean that you were going to have the

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Speaker 5: same success every year? Probably not, because there's just so

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Speaker 5: much parody now. Like the parody that is going on

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Speaker 5: in college football is fun. I mean, I think it

599
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Speaker 5: really is fun if you're a fan of the sport,

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Speaker 5: because you're seeing everyone's got more of a chance than

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Speaker 5: ever before. I think that maybe the best way to

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Speaker 5: have this discussion, too is look at Vanderbilt. No, they're

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Speaker 5: not in the playoff, but they were darn near in

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Speaker 5: the playoff, and they just had an amazing season and

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Speaker 5: a guy who finished as the runner up right to

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Speaker 5: Fernando Mendez in the Heisman quarterback. So, like I think

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Speaker 5: a lot of fans here, you know, set aside the

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Speaker 5: Midwest or the SEC you know discussion or the Big

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Speaker 5: Ten and all that stuff. Like a lot of the

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Speaker 5: people here are still wrapping their heads around the fact

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Speaker 5: that Vanderbilt's a legitimate team now. But what happens when

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Speaker 5: Diego Povey is not there? What do they look like then?

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Speaker 5: So I think that it's kind of wait and see mode.

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Speaker 5: But I do think that if you have a good

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Speaker 5: system in place, and if you have a coach who

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Speaker 5: knows how to build a program, like Indiana does in

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Speaker 5: Kurt Signetti and like Vanderbilt has in Clark Lee, I mean,

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Speaker 5: I think that is sustainable. And that doesn't mean you're

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Speaker 5: going to go thirteen to zero head you know, at

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Speaker 5: a first run, buying the playoffs every year. I don't

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Speaker 5: know about that, but I think they're always going to

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Speaker 5: be competitive in this era of college football.

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Speaker 4: That's all you can ask.

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Speaker 1: For, you know. The all I know about this is

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Speaker 1: when without Diego pavia at Vanderbilt, fewer techno parties, right,

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Speaker 1: don't we know that? Isn't that a given?

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Speaker 5: Well, it's probably gonna be less of a villainous kind.

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Speaker 6: Of vander no doubt, right, Heck of a player, no

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Speaker 6: doubt about that Don Diego's great, like he made my

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Speaker 6: Husrom ballot, but he yeah, he definitely you get some

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Speaker 6: opinions about Diego Pavia, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: What is it about Alabama? Nick Kelly my guest on

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Speaker 1: the Java House Peel and poor guest line. What about Alabama?

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Speaker 1: Nick has when they have had their their games where

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Speaker 1: they just i'll say flat for lack of better term,

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Speaker 1: you see them much more closely than do Why right,

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Speaker 1: but you talk about branding. I still think of Alabama

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Speaker 1: in that Nick Saban, the Bryce Young era, just like

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Speaker 1: running back after running back, that era of whole different

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Speaker 1: level football. They didn't have off games seemingly, then what

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Speaker 1: is it about this particular group when they do have

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Speaker 1: the games that are off other teams are doing what

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Speaker 1: to get them off rhythm?

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Speaker 5: I would say pressuring Ty Simpson. I think that's the

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Speaker 5: biggest thing that if a team wants to succeed, it's

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00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 5: much harder for him to run the offense and be

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Speaker 5: the very cerebral, precise quarterback he can be when he's

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Speaker 5: under pressure. So that's if I'm Indiana finally to do that.

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Speaker 5: Now he can still make you pay. It's not that

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Speaker 5: he just oh you pressure him and he's done. It's

651
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 5: just I think that's the way to succeed. And I

652
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 5: think that's especially the case when you factor in the

653
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 5: offensive lines and consistent, but also like a lot of

654
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 5: times when the offense doesn't work, it's been a case

655
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 5: of the receivers dropping passes, the just running backs not

656
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 5: making plays, not reading the hole as well. But I

657
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 5: think you can't control those things that your defense as

658
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 5: much as you can just pressure nick.

659
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: This Ty Simpson, who you know at the beginning of

660
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: the year, I think he was a lot of people

661
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,719
Speaker 1: had him right there in the forefront for the Heisman.

662
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: Obviously that goes now to Indiana with Brenanda Mendoza. But

663
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: give me kind of a scouting report on him in

664
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Speaker 1: terms of areas that make him uncomfortable or areas where

665
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: he is where you can exploit him a little bit.

666
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 4: That's a good question.

667
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Speaker 5: I would say that he's at his best when he's

668
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 5: sitting back and he can just kind of see the field.

669
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 5: I mean, he's really smart, like he really is. And

670
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 5: he's the son of a coach. His dad, Jason Simpson,

671
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 5: is the coach of University of Tennessee at Martin That

672
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 5: is an FCS program that he's had a ton of

673
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 5: success there, So he grew up basically learning in a

674
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 5: college full program. So Ty's very smart and he processes

675
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 5: things well and he sees things well. So the intermediate

676
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 5: routes he's actually very good at, and the short stuff

677
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 5: he's pretty good as well. But again, when he's pressured

678
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 5: and he can't see the field as well, or he

679
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 5: has guys in his face, like Oklahoma in the first game,

680
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 5: when he turned the ball over a few times, it

681
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 5: was because of pressure. He threw his pick six because

682
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 5: the guy was a free rusher coming at him. So sometimes, yeah,

683
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 5: when teams get pressure and they get in his face,

684
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 5: that obviously makes it typical. I think it makes it

685
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,439
Speaker 5: difficult for most folks. But he definitely isn't as sharp then,

686
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 5: and there are times where he might, I don't know,

687
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 5: if you bring an exotic look or have some kind

688
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 5: of pressure that the line can't pick up and there's

689
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 5: a free rusher. Sometimes he's not as good at seeing

690
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 5: that and realizing he has to get hear the ball

691
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 5: quick So that sometimes is an area that isn't as strong.

692
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 5: The deep ball has been inconsistent too, but he did

693
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 5: make some plays in that playoff game where he hit

694
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 5: guys on deep passes. So yeah, to me, the biggest

695
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 5: strength of ty has he sees the field really well.

696
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 5: It's hard to bait him into things like he's just

697
00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 5: very smart, but he also just I mean, he can

698
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 5: make most of the throws. He can he can find

699
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 5: guys in the intermediate routes. So I think that was

700
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 5: one thing that he's really brought to this offense this

701
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 5: year is that he can find guys in tight windows.

702
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: Defensively, you would anticipate that Alabama tries to do what

703
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: against Indiana, and where's an area that can kind of

704
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: flex their will if you will.

705
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, well Indiana, it's gonna bring a lot of problems.

706
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 5: So I think that's I don't know what kan Walok,

707
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 5: the defensive coordinator's plan is going to be, but you know,

708
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 5: good luck to him is kind of my thought. To me,

709
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 5: you have to somehow get to Fernando Mendoza because in

710
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 5: a similar deal. And I don't mean to keep giving

711
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 5: you the same answer, but correct me if I'm wrong,

712
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 5: but just to me, Ferrando Mendoza, if he gets to

713
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 5: sit back there and just pass it will and just

714
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 5: be comfortable he's going to pick this defensive part. So

715
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 5: you have to somehow get pressure on him, give him,

716
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 5: give him just too much in his face at times,

717
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 5: to where he's going to have to get the ball out.

718
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 5: And so I think that's their only path to me,

719
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 5: I mean, just because they have so many different ways

720
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 5: that they can beat you on offense for Indiana, so

721
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 5: the guys up front in that front seven would be

722
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 5: really important for Alabama. But one thing I will say,

723
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 5: this Salabama defense has been strength in the second half

724
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 5: of the season. It didn't look like it in the

725
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 5: first quarter a quarter and a half against Oklahoma, and

726
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 5: they may have some struggles at first, but this album

727
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 5: defense is really good at making adjustments and it has

728
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 5: any strength for this group and has been much more

729
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 5: consistent than the offense in the second half.

730
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 4: Of the year.

731
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,439
Speaker 1: I find Birmingham to be one of, if not the

732
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 1: most underrated cities in the United States, in particular the

733
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: east side of Birmingham as you head towards Leeds. In

734
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 1: terms of like all local restaurants, very cool, vibe, feels

735
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: like a J Crew catalog, Mountain Brook, beautiful area. Your thoughts, Oh.

736
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 4: It's great.

737
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 5: I live in Birmingham, and so I'm actually from Minnesota,

738
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 5: so I'm a Midwest ten person at heart. So I've

739
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 5: lived down here about five years now. But the food

740
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 5: scene in Birmingham is underrated. It's very good.

741
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 4: I've lived here several.

742
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 5: Years now and I still haven't made my way to

743
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 5: all the good food spots. So yeah, people ever in Birmingham,

744
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 5: check out the food.

745
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 4: It's really good.

746
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. It's a cool city for sure. Now

747
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: what part of Minneapolis or Minnesota? Did you grew up

748
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: in Minneapolis?

749
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: I get it.

750
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 4: I grew up in a suburb of Minneapolis.

751
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: So so you're the first poster on your wall when

752
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: you were a kid. Are you too young for Kirby

753
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: Pucket or was it Kevin Garnett.

754
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 5: I'm too young for Kirby Potter, but he was a

755
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 5: big one. He I think his rookie season was the

756
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 5: year I was born, I believe.

757
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: So okay, fair enough.

758
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 5: Adrian Peterson, Yeah, I mean he was in his prime

759
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 5: when I was coming up in school, so he was

760
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 5: definitely doing well. I didn't actually grow up a Vikings fandom.

761
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 5: My dad's family's from western Pennsylvania, so I picked dad's

762
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 5: ton over Mom's team.

763
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: All right, fair enough, So your first poster on the

764
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: wall was what Ben Roethlisberger.

765
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 4: Troy Paul Malu. He was my favorite player growing up.

766
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: Fair enough, and I listen. Unpopular to say here, Nick,

767
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: but it was an interception against Peyton Manning in the playoffs,

768
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: but they overturned it. But nonetheless, all right, Nick, I

769
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: appreciate the time.

770
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 2: Man.

771
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: We may try to grab you again, maybe either just

772
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,959
Speaker 1: before or just after. I know you're going to be busy,

773
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: but certainly Merry Christmas to you, and appreciate the time

774
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: and the insights about Alabama today.

775
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, great chat. I want to you Merry Christmas. I'm

776
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 5: a good rush your weekend.

777
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 1: Appreciate it, Nick, Kelly joining us from ail dot com.

778
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: I'm telling you Birmingham's cool. Casey Evalier is the director

779
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: of radio. I think he's the director of radio placement

780
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: for the Colts. We'll find out his exact title in

781
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: a second. Going to join us, but pre and postgame host,

782
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: pregame host, an in game host, I mean for the

783
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: Colts radio network. Going to join us just a minute.

784
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: I wanted to read this right now. Text message Hey

785
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: Jake the Forest Buckner being out and needing next surgery

786
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: means what I've said all along, it was a bad trade.

787
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: You don't trade the thirteenth pick in the draft for

788
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: a D lineman when you needed a quarterback, a D

789
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,959
Speaker 1: lineman who will never play a playoff game at Lucas

790
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: Soil Stadium. That from Paul Callahan. Paul Callahan point that out.

791
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: And Buckner's been a fabulous player. He's been everything you

792
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: would want as a teammate. He's been everything you want

793
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: as a contributor. But the next issue now and Shane

794
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: Stike and announcing earlier today that he will not return

795
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: this season, Casey joins us. Now, Casey, before we get

796
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: into the specifics, because I know that you're a man

797
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 1: that wears many hats. Now, you don't wear any hats

798
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: that are as big as eddies, but you wear many hats.

799
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: Your actual title with the Colts, if you will, is

800
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: what I'm going to write this down so I get

801
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 1: it right.

802
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 3: I am the coordinator of radio production.

803
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: Okay, coordinator of radio production.

804
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 2: Now.

805
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: The other thing is this, I've heard this and I

806
00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: try to. Ed Shornson taught me this, He said, Bud,

807
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: and he had his arm around me. Buddy. When you

808
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: talk to somebody and you hear different ways our last

809
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: name is pronounced, ask them how they introduced themselves at parties.

810
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: So your last name casey, because I've heard it two

811
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: different ways on the Colts Radio broadcast of which you

812
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: are the coordinator of production. Your last name production when

813
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: you introduce it at parties Valier Valier val Ye, so

814
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: not Valier Valier Valier.

815
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 3: Now I have gone by numerous different ways, and I

816
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 3: am not picky about it because I know that we're

817
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 3: all Indiana, We're all Hoosiers at heart, and we say

818
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 3: things up strange. And I have family down in Southern

819
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 3: Indiana who have never been able to say my name right.

820
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 3: So I don't care how it is said.

821
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: But the Valier, how do how do your family in

822
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: southern Indiana?

823
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 2: How do they say it?

824
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 4: Well?

825
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 3: Value is is a common that's a common pronunciation.

826
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: All your kid with all your kid, you know.

827
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: Let's begin with this in term of the news today,

828
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: from Shanestikeen on to Forrest Buckner, did he elaborate Shane

829
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: Steikeen on when this setback may have taken place and furthermore,

830
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: what it might mean long term for DeForest.

831
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 3: Buckner, So he didn't elaborate on when it's essentially, you know,

832
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 3: after the game, he was you know, he was kind

833
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: of going through you know, maybe the recap of how

834
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 3: he played and talking with some of the docs and

835
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 3: that's when they were kind of.

836
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 2: You know, discovering.

837
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 3: So I don't know if there was a specific play

838
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 3: or not, but maybe it was just you know, the

839
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 3: culmination of after the game the way he felt it

840
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 3: didn't it didn't feel.

841
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 2: Right for him.

842
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 3: And as far as long term goes, there's really no

843
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 3: you know, there's nothing has been said at that point

844
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 3: right now. The anticipation is is that he has surgery

845
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 3: next week or procedure done next week, and that ultimately

846
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 3: he should be ready to go by by the time

847
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 3: the season starts next year. That was, you know, the

848
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 3: very early in the stages of all that. So we

849
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 3: don't have a whole bunch of you know, concrete information,

850
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 3: but that is kind of the way they're approaching this

851
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 3: as of right now, is that they'll have a procedure

852
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 3: done next week and then he should be ready to

853
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 3: go for next year.

854
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: Casey, in terms of this Sunday if and I know

855
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: it's a big if, and maybe it's a dangerous thing

856
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: to talk in ifs and you're an employee. I mean,

857
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to be in a bad spot here.

858
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: But if we're if we're discussing this as two fans, okay,

859
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: or educated fans, if Houston is to win tomorrow, and

860
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: that means going into the game, that the Colts are

861
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: aware that it is a game that has no playoff

862
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: implication for them, Right, Philip rivers still start?

863
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 3: Yes, So that has been discussed, you know, this week,

864
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 3: And mainly the reason is because you know, you would

865
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 3: do a game plan, you prepare, you practice all week

866
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 3: with Philip being the guy, and they don't think that

867
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 3: would be you know enough. It would be a disservice

868
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 3: to Riley Leonard if they were to tell him, because

869
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 3: the game I think kicks off tomorrow at four point thirty,

870
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: so around eight o'clock locally would be when that game

871
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 3: is probably over tomorrow night. So to then all of

872
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 3: a sudden kind of change what you've done all week

873
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 3: your game plan, to say Riley Leonard is going to

874
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 3: start on Sunday, I think that's a disservice to Riley

875
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 3: and it would put him in a really tough you

876
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 3: know situation. So right now it sounds like, regardless of

877
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 3: winter loss with Houston, it will be Philip Rivers on Sunday.

878
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: And then I guess we will you know, we'll wait

879
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: another week to figure out after that. Let me let

880
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: me here's what I said earlier, Casey, and I want

881
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: you to tell me if you think I'm literally the

882
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 1: only man in Indianapolis that feels this way, right, I

883
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: mean it might be me and my bloodstained volleyball that

884
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm talking to with this, okay, because I'm alone on

885
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: an island. I have started to think more about this

886
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: and thought about the fact, and to be fair to

887
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson, I will say, from a health standpoint, if Richardson,

888
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 1: but when I really look at next year, I believe

889
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: their best option at quarterback next year is going to

890
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 1: be to re sign on probably a two year deal

891
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, partially because that's going to be less expensive

892
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: than it was if Jones right now was having continuing

893
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: a Sam Darnold type renaissance that he was on his

894
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: way towards. But if you bring back Daniel Jones next year,

895
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: you're going to need potentially a cushion for him for

896
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: the first couple of games until you can just in case,

897
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: in case that Achilles is not ready to go. I

898
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: would not rule out the possibility because I saw Philip

899
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: Rivers saying after the game on the field, how good

900
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: he felt, how much he enjoyed it, that they bring

901
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 1: him back for one year simply to start the car

902
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: and keep it warm on the parade and pace slap

903
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: before Daniel Jones then's hot then hops in it. I

904
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 1: want you to tell me, if I'm alone on an island,

905
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: what's that thought moving forward?

906
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: You know, I don't think you're alone. I think as

907
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 2: of right now, I.

908
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 3: Think everybody is taking this pretty day by day. But

909
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 3: I think there is something to the fact that Philip

910
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 3: looked completely different last week than he did in that

911
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 3: first week again Seattle. I know they said it's game

912
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 3: plan specific and all of that, but I think everybody

913
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 3: would agree that he looked a little bit more like

914
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 3: the Philip Rivers we had got accustomed to towards the

915
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 3: end of his career. And if Philip Rivers is on,

916
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 3: you know, is he if he's making statements about how

917
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 3: well he feels, I don't know necessarily that you can

918
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 3: completely rule that out. I do think that the idea

919
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 3: of bringing Daniel Jones back prior to the even the

920
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 3: you know, the fractured fibula that was reported and then

921
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 3: you talk about the Achilles injury, I think you know,

922
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 3: all around the building that was kind of the thought

923
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 3: that Daniel Jones was looking like the guy that you

924
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 3: would bring back. And I still think you would definitely

925
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 3: entertain that because of everything that you know you're going

926
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 3: to be seeing. You don't have the first round picks,

927
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 3: You can't you know, necessarily go get your quarterback in

928
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 3: the draft that you know is typically taken as a

929
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 3: franchise guy. If you look at what the free agency

930
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 3: pool is, I don't really know what it looks like,

931
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 3: but I know it's not super robust as far as

932
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 3: starting quarterbacks go.

933
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 2: So Daniel Jones might ultimately.

934
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 3: Be the best option because you've got familiarity with him,

935
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 3: he's been in the building. Do you want to see

936
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 3: how that Achilles is going to you know, how long

937
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 3: it's going to take for him to get back to

938
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 3: at least a semblance of what the offense is going

939
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 3: to look like with him there. But I don't know

940
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 3: necessarily that you're all on an Island by yourself with

941
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 3: the Philip Rivers thing, just because of one the relationship

942
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 3: he has with Shane Steichen. He knows this offense because

943
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 3: he essentially created this offense when he.

944
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 2: Was with the Chargers.

945
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 3: So all of that, the learning curve, it's completely out

946
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 3: the window.

947
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: You don't have to worry about any of that. Clearly

948
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: we're seeing that.

949
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 3: I mean last week, I don't know necessarily if he

950
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 3: was making check to the line of scrimmage, but he

951
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 3: was sure active at the line of scrimmage, looking over

952
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 3: the defense and good putting guys in the situations. So

953
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 3: he has picked that up pretty quickly. So if the

954
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 3: body says he feels right, and it's kind of that

955
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 3: stop gap before Daniel Jones is fully able to get back,

956
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 3: I don't know necessarily, that's something you don't entertain.

957
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: Casey Valier is my guest. Did I say Valier? Did

958
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: I say that correct?

959
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: Now? Is the L?

960
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: Do I really?

961
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 2: Do?

962
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: I really hit the L? Is it more Valier or Valier?

963
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 2: Valie?

964
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, you hit that yell and then and then you

965
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 3: hit the ya.

966
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: The ya, Casey Valier.

967
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, so I'm used to telling you

968
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 2: know some of the voice guys over there at Urban One.

969
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 3: How to pronounce it, and it's you got to emphasize

970
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 3: the YA. So I mean, honestly, I've never even thought

971
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 3: about it. The first The first way is you know Vallier,

972
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:50,959
Speaker 3: I don't mind that either.

973
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 2: So what about this we're adding that to it?

974
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: How about Casey, Casey Valley. How's that that's the better

975
00:47:58,320 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 1: version of the YA? Right?

976
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: That would be the better version of the A. I

977
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 2: don't know if I like the better version of the

978
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 2: A there, Jake.

979
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough? When obviously Colts and Jaggs coming up

980
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: on Sunday, it is the home finale, It is the

981
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: penultimate game of the regular season for the Colts. We'll

982
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: see if that extends beyond that. There are still mathematic

983
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: possibility of the playoffs that are there. The offensive line, Casey,

984
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: you know, now we know Tanner BORDERLINI out, We obviously

985
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: know that, Braden Smith, you know there have been a

986
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: number of injuries on the offensive line. I'm curious from

987
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: your standpoint, as you do pregame stuff, that means that

988
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: you've got to read off injury report for each and

989
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: every game, including the opposition. We focus here in Indianapolis

990
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 1: on the Colts from what you can tell the amount

991
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: of attrition that say, the Colts have within the depth

992
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: and or within the trenches and having to go into

993
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: their depth. Does that seem to be to you the

994
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: norm when you talk about it from other franchises and

995
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: the injury report list as you get a chance to

996
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: look at it from other teams, or is it of

997
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: concern to Indianapolis more so than you see elsewhere.

998
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 3: Well, actually, I would say for the most part, outside

999
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 3: of the last couple of weeks, the Colts have been

1000
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 3: relatively healthy on the offensive line, probably compared to other teams.

1001
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 2: Now, if you.

1002
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 3: Look at what Jacksonville is dealing with this week, they

1003
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 3: have three offensive linemen who didn't practice this week as well,

1004
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 3: so they're dealing with their own.

1005
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 2: Kind of thing.

1006
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 3: So I think, especially on you know, both sides of

1007
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 3: the line, typically that's where you're going to see a

1008
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 3: lot more of those injuries. I think, because I mean, Jake,

1009
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 3: you've seen it. I mean, it's it's essentially it's a

1010
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 3: car crash every time you snap the football between these guys,

1011
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 3: I mean, here are going right.

1012
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 2: It's not.

1013
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 3: So when you when you think about it from those terms,

1014
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 3: I think ultimately, you know, with with Bernard Reyman him

1015
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 3: missing just one game with the elbow injury, we thought

1016
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 3: it could be worse. So it looks like him getting

1017
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 3: back that is a positive sign. You mentioned Braden Smith,

1018
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 3: but outside of Brayden Smith, Mackenzalve has missed one game.

1019
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 3: Tanner BORDERLINI this will be just his first game missed.

1020
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 3: So they really haven't had a whole bunch of injuries

1021
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 3: this year, which I think is actually different compared to

1022
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 3: the norm, because I think you're used to seeing nine

1023
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 3: to ten different offensive line starting combinations throughout a given year,

1024
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 3: and the Colts aren't at that number this year, which

1025
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 3: is different from years past.

1026
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Speaker 1: Casey. We will be listening for obviously the pregame show

1027
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: as well, Colts Jaggs coming up on Sunday, Colts Happy,

1028
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: How we're getting underway Friday at that's today obviously at

1029
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: five thirty it feels like a Monday, but today at

1030
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 1: five thirty and then Sunday one o'clock kick pregame ten am,

1031
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: the road to kickoff getting underway at nine o'clock. So

1032
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: all the coverage, Casey appreciated.

1033
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: All right always, Jake, Thanks man, Hi

1034
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: Casey Valier, joining us here on the Java House Peel

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