Speaker 1: The Frames per Second podcast.
Speaker 2: It was good, y'all, welcome to another France per second
Speaker 2: uh show. This time we are doing best HBO original shows.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm your host Rod here with Mike sitting
Speaker 2: across from me next to him, and got Spike and
Speaker 2: kenne By. What's up y'all?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Man, So today we're gonna we're gonna list our top
Speaker 2: three HBO original shows.
Speaker 1: Hmmm.
Speaker 2: I think I've said here before. They ain't always have
Speaker 2: access to HBO. I didn't always have access to HBO.
Speaker 2: So a lot of these things I've seen it later
Speaker 2: or over someone's house, and I definitely wasn't able to
Speaker 2: watch some of these older series like Odds or you know,
Speaker 2: any of those things that that came like in the.
Speaker 1: Early mid nineties. I just didn't have the access.
Speaker 2: I heard about them, but I just didn't have the access,
Speaker 2: and a lot of them, I won't say a lot
Speaker 2: of them, but some of them.
Speaker 1: Went back and had to watch later.
Speaker 2: So I'm definitely curious to see, you know, what are
Speaker 2: some of you guys top HBO original shows because I
Speaker 2: know y'all watched and then y'all watch a lot more
Speaker 2: TV TV shows than I do, so I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't have as deeper bag as y'all do when it
Speaker 2: comes to this. So my list is very what I
Speaker 2: had to pull from was short, but so, but I
Speaker 2: am curious to see what you guys have. And I
Speaker 2: did like the list that uh Jalen put in in
Speaker 2: notion that goes all the way back to eighty three.
Speaker 2: I don't know if y'all actually.
Speaker 1: Clicked on the link is eighty three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it goes all the way back to eighty three.
Speaker 2: It's like Philip Marlow Private High.
Speaker 1: Oh, so they were putting out some ship that nobody
Speaker 1: was watching Maximum Security. That was from it was one season.
Speaker 1: I think OZ was the first show that blake and
Speaker 1: that was in ninety seven when was Six Feet Under?
Speaker 1: Was that after OZ? Right?
Speaker 2: That was two thousand and one, Yeah, and that ran
Speaker 2: for five six seasons.
Speaker 3: I still need to finish that. I heard about the end,
Speaker 3: and then I was kind of like, no, no, it's good, it's.
Speaker 1: Good, Okay, I need to go back and finish it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that. It's his surprise.
Speaker 2: And then this, Yeah, but I'm curious to see how
Speaker 2: far you guys went back. If it's something that you
Speaker 2: know it was later in the twenty teams or whatever,
Speaker 2: and then if it's a new show that that that
Speaker 2: cracks your top three.
Speaker 1: So I guess how I'll do this.
Speaker 2: I'll go around with everybody's number three, and then after
Speaker 2: we go through our three, we can kind of name
Speaker 2: some some honorable mentions.
Speaker 1: Is that cool? Everybody? Yeah? Okay, all right, cool. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do how you didn't me, Spike.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start with you because I think you probably
Speaker 2: watched the most TV out of all of us. Definitely,
Speaker 2: what's your number three on HBO Best Best HBO Shows?
Speaker 1: I try to stay away from the obvious ones. I mean,
Speaker 1: if it's the obvious ones, ye what it is? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean I guess those are like given
Speaker 3: like the Wired Soprano Game of Throngs. I think that
Speaker 3: all of them I avoided.
Speaker 1: You just want to put context. I avoided that. We
Speaker 1: all I think the people and us know which ones
Speaker 1: were talking.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I avoided those like okay, well that's good time,
Speaker 3: so that those are given for yes, given.
Speaker 1: Outside of those, you made a top three exactly, That's
Speaker 1: what I did.
Speaker 3: And three is succession, Okay, succession, that's still going on right,
Speaker 3: it's over now, it just ended or something like that.
Speaker 1: Here you're talking ago about two years ago, so y'all
Speaker 1: still talk about it. Why are y'all still talking that good?
Speaker 1: That good man? Exactly?
Speaker 3: For me, I feel like there are better shows on
Speaker 3: HBO with just one of the few shows from episode
Speaker 3: one to the last episode that it held up. Every
Speaker 3: episode was good, it didn't really you don't have a.
Speaker 1: Season when that season really wasn't that good.
Speaker 3: Like every episode in every season, I feel like, hell
Speaker 3: to what this show is. It never got away from
Speaker 3: what the show was. All the characters aligned with who
Speaker 3: they were, the character arcs and grows, so I feel
Speaker 3: like were nailed perfectly. So I had to put Succession
Speaker 3: in three on my list. Okay, all right, that's good.
Speaker 3: That's good. Ken, what's your number three?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 4: So, very much like Spike, I figured, I operated under
Speaker 4: the assumption that Gamer Thrones, the Wire et C will
Speaker 4: be taken. So I wanted to represent for some other
Speaker 4: folks because I figured that those would make most of
Speaker 4: y'all's list. Number three is torn between two series, so
Speaker 4: one of them isn't gonna make the list with one
Speaker 4: of them will not make the list or will be
Speaker 4: an honorable mention. It's difficult because I didn't really care
Speaker 4: for that last season all that much.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the leftovers, the leftovers. I think
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the leftovers. And number three. I
Speaker 1: hear that a lot. I'm not familiar with what's the leftovers?
Speaker 4: It's some weird ass ship that no one knows what
Speaker 4: the fuck is going on or whatever happened.
Speaker 1: Even when you get to the end, you still don't
Speaker 1: know what the is going on? Is it over? Yeah?
Speaker 1: How many seasons were? Three? Oh? Three? Oh, so you're
Speaker 1: familiar with it too, Yeah, it's on my list. Okay, cool, cool,
Speaker 1: but it's not now Becau'm gonna.
Speaker 4: Take it off because Ken said it, and I almost
Speaker 4: left it off because I wondered if you were gonna
Speaker 4: say it too, and went with West World.
Speaker 2: I know, Yeah, he's from the onset has been him
Speaker 2: be a critical about West World from even Yeah, I
Speaker 2: remember that.
Speaker 5: I only watched the first season. I watched the first
Speaker 5: season seacuse.
Speaker 1: It deals with time travel and some ship like that
Speaker 1: or some sort of didn't see any time travel. It
Speaker 1: was just not interesting. I just kept going back and
Speaker 1: across timeline. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: The issue with the reason why I struggled with West
Speaker 4: World was because of the last season, But prior to that,
Speaker 4: I was I was all in. They just started to
Speaker 4: lose me. They lost me with season four. I think
Speaker 4: it was four, so it almost it pulled a Game
Speaker 4: of Thrones sort of where the last season wasn't all
Speaker 4: that good. I think they were just trying to end
Speaker 4: the show and find a way to get to do it.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll just go clockwise and I'll go next. My
Speaker 2: number three is Insecure. I like Insecure, and I feel like, yes,
Speaker 2: HBO show. I can't see that only list. It's absolutely
Speaker 2: an HBO show. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, I thought that
Speaker 2: this was a very solid, solid show. I think it
Speaker 2: had a few misses here and there, but I think
Speaker 2: for the most part, man, it was a good representation
Speaker 2: of us on screen. And and yeah, I think it
Speaker 2: deserves to be in the discussion. Is top series on
Speaker 2: HBO personally?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I like it. I like I like it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put that as my my number three. Mike,
Speaker 1: what is your number three? True Detective? Is that still
Speaker 1: going on?
Speaker 5: Well, it just had a season, but people ship on it.
Speaker 5: Spike I've liked all the seasons, even though one was
Speaker 5: it season two that people didn't like.
Speaker 1: Year I thought it was fine.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it wasn't as good as season one or season three,
Speaker 5: but no, man, True Detective is awesome.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 2: I meant to go back and watch started, but it's
Speaker 2: just because the one episode I watched it was really good.
Speaker 2: That was the one with McConaughey, Matthew mcconne. Last season one,
Speaker 2: that ship seemed like it was good. I just never
Speaker 2: went back to watch it. Just never went back to
Speaker 2: watching body.
Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, yeah, Like I don't think I realized before
Speaker 5: that season that Wood Harold.
Speaker 1: Was such a good actor. He did such a great job.
Speaker 3: And the one with Marshall yea three, I forget the
Speaker 3: white dude told a great story. I don't know his name,
Speaker 3: but they said that story was fantastic.
Speaker 1: It really was. The way they bounce back with time in.
Speaker 3: That one reveal at the ship really is like it's
Speaker 3: one of those like literally you're gonna say that and
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, damn.
Speaker 1: Those Yeah.
Speaker 2: I always wanted to go back to I just didn't
Speaker 2: know if it was worth it. It's definitely I heard
Speaker 2: I heard some criticism of it season two.
Speaker 5: Okaya, people don't like season two, and then people don't
Speaker 5: like the most recent season, which again Night Country I
Speaker 5: thought was good.
Speaker 1: And the thing about it you can skip them. That's
Speaker 1: true because it's not not tied like that got you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's an overarching thing that goes into all of them,
Speaker 3: but they're not really tied together.
Speaker 2: Kind of like a white lotus. Yes, yeah, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: So we're gonna move on to number two. What's your
Speaker 2: number two?
Speaker 1: Swipe? Number two is?
Speaker 3: It was canceled out to two seasons, but those were
Speaker 3: two impactful seasons. It's how to make It in America?
Speaker 3: What had Kid cutting in it? Really, it's about these
Speaker 3: late teen the early adult people trying to just make
Speaker 3: it in New York. They have different hustles that they have.
Speaker 3: Some of them are artists, some of them just entrepreneurs,
Speaker 3: fashion designers, but just come out and it's showing the scene.
Speaker 3: It came out in twenty ten, two seasons, and it's
Speaker 3: just showing the scene of like a close knit group
Speaker 3: of New Yorkers just trying to make it and like
Speaker 3: they hustles and the different things that they get into.
Speaker 3: Great dynamic characters, great storylines. It's thirty minutes, so it's
Speaker 3: not long. Get you in and out. It's really really
Speaker 3: slept on. Counceled too soon the HBO show. You'll enjoy
Speaker 3: every episode, gotcha?
Speaker 1: Yep? Okay? Cool? Did you have you seen I know,
Speaker 1: Mike scene like he's okay? Really yeah, I can't see
Speaker 1: you liking it, But honestly, it's not something.
Speaker 3: I would typically watch. Yeah, it surprises you. He definitely
Speaker 3: surprised you, Like, man, this is okay. Yeah, I'm rocking
Speaker 3: with this surprise. So what's your number two?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 1: The news Room it's one of my love great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a political show, but it's with it's basically
Speaker 4: doing a news show.
Speaker 1: Is it a real news show?
Speaker 4: But it really shows the politics and the incurtesies of
Speaker 4: putting on a news show, sourcing your your stories, just
Speaker 4: the dynamics of it, the inner politics and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Talk about a show that was canceled too soon? My god, man,
Speaker 1: this show was great. Jeff who's the the blondehead Jeff Do?
Speaker 1: He was so good in this, man, I can't think
Speaker 1: of it, but he was was really good. After this.
Speaker 1: I think it was a very liberal.
Speaker 3: He was definitely definitely, But yeah, it's doing about Aaron Swarkin,
Speaker 3: so you know the style he has, like he done
Speaker 3: West Wing and all those other different things.
Speaker 1: So it's from twenty twelve to twenty fourteen, three seasons.
Speaker 1: Jeff Daniels. Jeff Daniels, Yeah, yeah, Oh my god, he
Speaker 1: did a great man. It's really Olivia Mund was really good. Yeah. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you're familiar with it. Oh, y'all love it's one
Speaker 1: of my favorites. Dangn okay, that's great. All right.
Speaker 2: I know y'all say, y'all was going to keep it
Speaker 2: off y'all's, but I'm gonna put it on mine, like because,
Speaker 2: like I said, again, I didn't watch many HBO series
Speaker 2: like that, but Game of Thrones, as bad as it ended,
Speaker 2: I still think it held its own to be worthy
Speaker 2: of this list.
Speaker 1: I would have never thought I would have watched the
Speaker 1: show like this, And the.
Speaker 2: Fact that they were able to keep such a stronghold
Speaker 2: on me for so many yelples, so many seasons, is
Speaker 2: that that's something to be said. It's something to be said,
Speaker 2: Like Naomi and I benched this ship. We had such
Speaker 2: a good time watching this show.
Speaker 1: It's almost unbelievable. How good it was. Yeah, like when
Speaker 1: it was really really good because I being it like
Speaker 1: you You're like, bro, this ship is fine, it's really good.
Speaker 2: It's really good. It was a different way of telling story,
Speaker 2: Like you have very popular people on this shit and
Speaker 2: you think they live and they motherfuckers don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, they did some they did some dope ship on
Speaker 2: the show. They did some dope shit on the show.
Speaker 2: So I think it's still worthy to be in those
Speaker 2: top discussions. So yeah, that is my number two Mike,
Speaker 2: What is your number two?
Speaker 1: Oz? Oh? Okay, I know I heard a lot of
Speaker 1: people herod OZ, but I never got into it. It's
Speaker 1: so good. It just had it had a couple of hiccups.
Speaker 1: You know. The one season that had Luke Perry I
Speaker 1: thought was a bit ridiculous. But other than that, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: yeah that's that ship ran for six seasons. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: people talked about it. It was it was a holly
Speaker 1: It was a water cooler conversation. Really, I remember it was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember people talking about it. It definitely makes you
Speaker 1: not want to go to jail. Yeah, that's what I
Speaker 1: used to hear. I used to hear about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, the ship they did to I forget
Speaker 5: was was it Chris Maloney, the guy that's on SVU?
Speaker 1: What was his name on OZ? It doesn't matter. You
Speaker 1: didn't watch his fight, No, you didn't watch OZ.
Speaker 2: You probably heard about the scene, like the booty sex.
Speaker 2: So scared of booty sex you can't even watch.
Speaker 3: I never it looked I tried the first episode. It
Speaker 3: just looked too old, like braining. Yeah, it looks it
Speaker 3: looks old. It does look old, man. That show you
Speaker 3: would like it if you gave it a shot. It's
Speaker 3: really fucking good man.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm surprised, because I think I thought the
Speaker 4: same thing. I thought it would be a show that.
Speaker 1: You would like. I've heard that, Yeah, I've heard really
Speaker 1: good things about it, but never tapped into it. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of pennance, so it's just me. But
Speaker 1: the wire looked old too, not like not like you're
Speaker 1: gonna be like, God, do this. It looks like it's
Speaker 1: from like the eighties or something. What kind of camera
Speaker 1: was y'all using?
Speaker 3: I don't know, And I think the difference and I'm
Speaker 3: not familiar with odds enough to notice, but the wire
Speaker 3: looking old kind of ads to the feel of it.
Speaker 3: It kind of looked like a documentary or some ship
Speaker 3: that you should be watching. It threw me off on
Speaker 3: how it looks, but I give what you say.
Speaker 1: It is greenny, gritty and grainy. So yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 1: It's hard to get through you.
Speaker 2: All right, man, I'm gonna ask for your number one,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna I'm gonna circle back around until you're
Speaker 2: gonna get you some time to see what your true number.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I think it's still important to know, like what are
Speaker 2: your actual top show even if they are popular or whatever.
Speaker 1: I think it's still the same thing with you. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I still think it's still you should you should say. Okay,
Speaker 2: what would you actually put on your top three? I
Speaker 2: got both of them instead of putting your sign, so
Speaker 2: if you want to go through both, you can't. But
Speaker 2: what's your top one that you know.
Speaker 1: People want to expect for it? To my actual top three?
Speaker 3: If I wasn't excluding anything not the actual yet, I'll
Speaker 3: say that this one right now.
Speaker 1: The Night of the Night of.
Speaker 3: I forgot about that stars John Taturo, Riz Ahmed who
Speaker 3: was replaced Nas and Man when I tell you, this
Speaker 3: was one of those when HBO started getting in that
Speaker 3: mini series bag and you were looking at this and
Speaker 3: you were like, what's going to happen?
Speaker 1: What are they talking to?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: What is the story that they're trying to tell here?
Speaker 3: I'm so glad that they just left it in one season.
Speaker 3: They didn't try to go back, even though it was
Speaker 3: wildly popular. John To absolutely bodied this role. But it's grimy,
Speaker 3: is gritty, it's mysterious. It does all the things that
Speaker 3: you want, just like a random TV show to do.
Speaker 3: And that shit was that shit was fine. I need
Speaker 3: to rewatch that.
Speaker 5: Actually, I was just about to say I need to
Speaker 5: rewatch it because I now that you start talking about it,
Speaker 5: I don't remember the killer at this point, so I
Speaker 5: need to go back and rewatch it. Well, no spoilers,
Speaker 5: of course, but man, that was waking up and look
Speaker 5: what Yeah that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really fuck Okay, it's really good. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: That's there, all right? And then what's your top three? Actual?
Speaker 1: My top three actual?
Speaker 3: Number one is The Wire, number two is The Sopranos,
Speaker 3: and number three is interchangeable. Sometimes I'll go with Game
Speaker 3: of Thrones sometimes I'll actually go with succession. I want
Speaker 3: to do that because I don't think a lot of
Speaker 3: people know about it. Game of throwing succession Entourage, like
Speaker 3: are interchangeable. Threese was a HBO.
Speaker 1: I think I seen Okay, all right, Ken, what was
Speaker 1: your your put on number one? Cookie? Hell? No, you're serious,
Speaker 1: I am serious. True Blood God, hey man, every Sunday,
Speaker 1: every ay man. I was watching it with the misses Bro.
Speaker 1: I got caught up Bro and Bill, Bill and Eric Bro.
Speaker 1: I mean I ran for seven seasons, that's right. And
Speaker 1: then they had that that black guy on the r
Speaker 1: I P. He was great. He died. Yes. The cousin,
Speaker 1: the gay cousin. Yeah, yeah, Tara, Tara was great on there.
Speaker 1: She was Oh I love me some Tar Bro. Yeah,
Speaker 1: true Blood Bro seasons.
Speaker 2: I used to hear people talking about it like it
Speaker 2: was that one. Yes, that's that's pretty. That's pretty impression
Speaker 2: seven season twenty twenty eight to twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: Who I'll let you finish. No, something's gotta be fixed,
Speaker 1: go ahead. Yeah, but but no, true Blood was was
Speaker 1: was it was?
Speaker 4: It was out of all out of looking at the list,
Speaker 4: it was the only one that was left outside of
Speaker 4: the obvious ones for me, but no, I watched all
Speaker 4: seven seasons and I just got caught up, bro, and
Speaker 4: it was it was, it was, It was good. The
Speaker 4: interesting story about that is that the book that it
Speaker 4: was written off of, when Kendall was when my wife
Speaker 4: was in the hospital, he had just been born. I
Speaker 4: walked over to CBS from PEMA Hospital and I bought
Speaker 4: the book, just some random vampire book because my wife
Speaker 4: was vampires, and I gave it to her so she
Speaker 4: can read while she was in the hospital because it's
Speaker 4: gonna be there for a couple of days. And then
Speaker 4: they turned that into a series just just friendally picked
Speaker 4: it up.
Speaker 1: It was. It was crazy that that happened. Ye. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I saw one of the episodes.
Speaker 2: I had had a hotel stay and you know how
Speaker 2: they all hotels, HBO and so, and it was on
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, this is pretty good.
Speaker 1: It was one of those ones I said I would
Speaker 1: probably go back and watch, but I just never. It
Speaker 1: started to get a little ridiculous with some of the things,
Speaker 1: and I remember y'all saying that, and that's what made
Speaker 1: me not watch. I caught on late.
Speaker 5: I watched it way after it was already done, but
Speaker 5: it's it's it's fun, it's worth it. I mean I
Speaker 5: never watched because it felt like a bootleg Buffy, so
Speaker 5: I was like, I'm good. But when I actually did
Speaker 5: sit down and watch it, it's definitely enjoyable, just because
Speaker 5: if I can't think of his name, the black guy,
Speaker 5: it's not La fonds.
Speaker 3: That he was the one yes the show. Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: I remember y'all talking about that's terrible. Damn, I seemed
Speaker 3: like seven episodes. You're right he used to steal the show. Yes,
Speaker 3: I don't know where I stopped.
Speaker 6: You, Kim, what do you have your actual top three?
Speaker 6: I mean I would go Gamer Thrones three of one, one,
Speaker 6: the Wire two and three probably, I guess, probably true, but.
Speaker 1: Maybe Okay what the Wire two? The game throws out
Speaker 1: of the wires like the last for it probably is. No,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. I'm sure. I'm telling I'm sure it is. Wow.
Speaker 1: All right? Uh my number one? Well is it?
Speaker 3: That's yes, that's I don't think nothing better than the
Speaker 3: Wires ever graced HBO's scree.
Speaker 2: Sopranos, which is my number one. Hell hell except Sopranos,
Speaker 2: which is my number one. Over the wire would make
Speaker 2: my top five. It's not gonna make my top three.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because you just don't want to accept it. It's
Speaker 5: better than snowfalls, so you're trying to stick to your character.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Oh my god, I can't stand. You can't
Speaker 1: sell them two own the Sopranos. They neither one of
Speaker 1: them like it. That's fine.
Speaker 2: I mean, do you do you think that David Chase
Speaker 2: is racist as you look at it? When's the last
Speaker 2: time you watched it. I haven't watched it since.
Speaker 1: His racism is very apparent watching the show now, But.
Speaker 2: See I don't I typically don't have an issue with that.
Speaker 2: I watched quin Tinant, but this is.
Speaker 3: Even beyond like old Italians don't like black people. This
Speaker 3: is him forcing his commentary.
Speaker 1: I never I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you watch it now, you be like what
Speaker 3: he thinks and how Yeah him pretty bad facts.
Speaker 1: Wow, I did not know. I didn't know that, so
Speaker 1: that probably would.
Speaker 3: Change my perspective. Yeah, I know if I did go
Speaker 3: back and watch it with that. The last rewatched it
Speaker 3: I did for a Good Earners, it was very apparent.
Speaker 3: We talked about it on the show. It's like, without
Speaker 3: that context is my number one?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, it's my number one. Without that context, Mike,
Speaker 1: what's your number one? I think we all know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the only correct answer, this whole whole room wire.
Speaker 5: So it's the greatest, great It's one of the best
Speaker 5: series period ever made. Like the way that they were
Speaker 5: able to get you to attached to characters.
Speaker 1: But you never picked a side. Well, I never the
Speaker 1: clear side. It's like you liked the cops, you liked
Speaker 1: that's but you never there was never a time where.
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, ship, I hope fucking bunking them
Speaker 5: and Keema, I hope they fucking catch him.
Speaker 1: Never you just sat back and just watched how it
Speaker 1: broke down and the whole idea of the vacance, and oh.
Speaker 5: Man, this show is amazing and nothing ever came off
Speaker 5: too fantastic. Nothing was ever too unrealistic until season five
Speaker 5: with the whole serial killer ship, which is a bit weird.
Speaker 1: But other than that, Oh so you liked season two
Speaker 1: as well?
Speaker 5: No, no, I don't don't like season two, but with
Speaker 5: everybody talking about it, I do agree that it's needed
Speaker 5: because it shows the other perspective of you know, how
Speaker 5: this whole game works. It's just a drag it's just
Speaker 5: a drag. It should have been season three. Yeah, it's
Speaker 5: the season two. I'm surprised it got renewed after that Ship.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I wasn't there. I wasn't in the time.
Speaker 2: I watched Wire later me too, So I don't know
Speaker 2: how it felt in the time. Did you watch it
Speaker 2: in real time?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 1: I watched it later later. Did you watch it a
Speaker 1: real time? No, I watched it later And yeah, I
Speaker 1: bet BE watched that ship every week. I probably.
Speaker 3: I watched it around boot leg DVD time. I had
Speaker 3: to ask me, I want to be watching it in
Speaker 3: real time? Yeah, season one?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, he uh.
Speaker 2: Mike makes a really good case on on the way
Speaker 2: that they produced that show. You didn't really have a
Speaker 2: side that you picked. You just kind of watched it
Speaker 2: all play out. Didn't really hate the cops, you didn't.
Speaker 2: You didn't hate like Stringer Bell like you kind of
Speaker 2: hate the string of Bill look a little bit, a
Speaker 2: little bit, but you understood them. So yeah, No, it's
Speaker 2: it's definitely to contrary to belief. I like the I
Speaker 2: like the Wire, don't get me wrong, like Wires not
Speaker 2: enough to be top three.
Speaker 1: That is crazy. It's not even top three. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: top five. I think it's top five. It's not top three.
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 4: Finally, well, you didn't say what it could be four.
Speaker 4: I was just about to ask what three shows are
Speaker 4: better than the I was about I just put.
Speaker 1: Them on there. Same again, Insecure. You're crazy.
Speaker 5: You don't think Insecure is better than the Wire. You're lying, Rod,
Speaker 5: I don't believe you. I like the cultural impact of insecutor.
Speaker 1: Objectively, Insecure is not a better show than The Wire. Objectively, objectively,
Speaker 1: it's not either. I don't believe them.
Speaker 2: But for me, it's a more enjoyable show. I can
Speaker 2: go back and watch the Insecure right now. I can't
Speaker 2: do the same. I had to force myself to watch them.
Speaker 2: I would do a Wire. We watch anything. I was
Speaker 2: about two when when we said we was gonna do
Speaker 2: the Versus, I started it.
Speaker 1: I started. I started with season one. I didn't make it.
Speaker 2: Season two is gonna be my issue trying to get
Speaker 2: through season two. But then and then part of season
Speaker 2: five like.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, I was I had made an attempt to
Speaker 1: rewatch it, and yeah, it's just it's just.
Speaker 3: It's hard I rewatch. I'm in from the moment, man
Speaker 3: asks man, why y'all let it play? It's America, ain't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm right that song that it's so fun to
Speaker 1: watch always pick up something to that. Okay, now, but
Speaker 1: I really love like I was just trying to represent
Speaker 1: for the South. I fantasy people, but and.
Speaker 4: I was trying to socio the way they told the
Speaker 4: story from a socio economic political perspective. It's so complex
Speaker 4: and so realistic. It's really really, really, really amazing.
Speaker 1: I think we're ruined. Why for me, is all the
Speaker 1: hype surrounded around it justified?
Speaker 2: They came though, And by the time I watched it, No,
Speaker 2: I watched it like in twenty fucking where year was that?
Speaker 1: Twenty thirteen?
Speaker 2: But why would that hurt the show? Because my excitations
Speaker 2: were higher, and like, it didn't necessarily hurt the show.
Speaker 1: I like the show. It just I'm like, it ain't
Speaker 1: what your thought it was. And I feel for me
Speaker 1: I got that the same. Yeah, stupid, but it lived
Speaker 1: up to the height. No, no, no, I think it
Speaker 1: meant the high too. But because I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: they weren't lying because because saying I have.
Speaker 2: Because my boy he told me he was the only
Speaker 2: one that wasn't on the wire train and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can watch it, but it ain't like you know.
Speaker 1: And so when I watched and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's straight, it's straight Insecure over the wires. That's but
Speaker 1: it's only it's only I'm a cultural standpage. I see
Speaker 1: what the cultural stand don't the wire culture standpoint?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 5: That ship had the y'all, y'all remember what Insecure had
Speaker 5: the Internet? But there was no Internet for the wires.
Speaker 5: That's not a fair compared.
Speaker 1: But but the streets talking if it was coming, you
Speaker 1: can go on right now.
Speaker 3: We don't have a man, don't we have Yeah, a
Speaker 3: man gotta have a cod have a cod have my
Speaker 3: name is my name? You want it to be one way,
Speaker 3: it's the other way?
Speaker 1: Like this so much that was was the show after
Speaker 1: the show with with you have people like you have
Speaker 1: people arguing yeah it's.
Speaker 5: Lap Yeah. Is that is that fair to be like
Speaker 5: that makes the show better? Or was it cultural impact?
Speaker 1: I did were lost? It made Lost better? What made
Speaker 1: Loss better? Culture? The show? After show? I look like.
Speaker 3: That made Lost better? Like the show after the show
Speaker 3: read what people thought that that was the nature Secure?
Speaker 3: Like like, no, isn't a more complex like thing that
Speaker 3: that WHI was. No, it's definitely a different show. But
Speaker 3: it was a very black show. It was a very
Speaker 3: I ain't watch it in real time straight, bro, it's
Speaker 3: not really really you you haven't watched it, Secure, Yeah,
Speaker 3: said I need to rewatch it. I skimmed through it,
Speaker 3: but it was one of those I watched because I
Speaker 3: had refused to just on some for no reason at all,
Speaker 3: and I was like, go ahead and watch it. Was
Speaker 3: halfway watching it and Insecure was definitely watching it in
Speaker 3: real time with other people.
Speaker 1: It was good. You know, I think going back to
Speaker 1: rewatch it, I don't. I don't think you'll get the
Speaker 1: same feeling. No.
Speaker 3: I know you're right because when I watched it, because
Speaker 3: I watched it again after it was Aaron and I
Speaker 3: was like, I get it, but I don't get it.
Speaker 1: You need the conversations otherwise it's just like a show. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's what I do.
Speaker 2: I do plan on going back and rewatching the whole thing.
Speaker 2: One of my boy you watched it with his with
Speaker 2: his girl and they they are enjoying it watching it
Speaker 2: together right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the other two? Real quick? The other two
Speaker 1: better than you got?
Speaker 5: Better than the you got and and uh pranos insecure.
Speaker 5: You said one in my and my and my other
Speaker 5: one on the list was was up Game of Thrones.
Speaker 3: So you got Game of Thrones insecure, Sopranos, better than
Speaker 3: the wire you got wired for?
Speaker 1: Yeah, why would be four? Yeah? Nah, Yeah it's at four.
Speaker 1: I got it at four. That's that's that's damn. The
Speaker 1: only one I can really look at you crazy with
Speaker 1: is Insecure. The other two.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's a fair argument. Yeah, Sopranos, I
Speaker 2: think it's fair. I think Game of Thrones is definitely worthy. Insecure.
Speaker 2: I know it sounds crazy. I know it sounds crazy,
Speaker 2: but that's just I don't know. I enjoyed Insecure more
Speaker 2: like I just do. Like I that conversation more than
Speaker 2: the dope game and the FIDS and ship. I feel
Speaker 2: like we get a lot of that, but this is.
Speaker 1: Not that way different because this was soon as you hear.
Speaker 3: From the dope dealer or the Fed right now, you
Speaker 3: hear from Congress and senators and everybody.
Speaker 1: In the contract and the way the media was school.
Speaker 2: System, Like, oh man, I'm not arguing that the stopped
Speaker 2: top three. I would say that I'm not arguing that
Speaker 2: that the Wires top three, it's just not my.
Speaker 3: Top three, my honor, my honorable mention. I love it,
Speaker 3: my honorable mentions. I love life.
Speaker 1: That was fine. That ship was fucking amazing. It really was.
Speaker 1: Watched it, Mayor of Kingstown. M hm, you keep talking
Speaker 1: about love like I been meaning to watch watching the
Speaker 1: Love The Stranger that I told you watched a lot
Speaker 1: of HBO show that I ain't tried.
Speaker 5: Stranger was incredible. I'm still they canceled it, Yeah, that
Speaker 5: should I don't know what the fun they were thinking.
Speaker 1: And industry. I enjoyed the industry. I to watch that
Speaker 1: industry is really good. That's got the one black girl
Speaker 1: from with the big folhead like that though. My honorable
Speaker 1: mentions obviously the Wire. I think that would have been
Speaker 1: for the Penguin. I thought the Penguin was really good.
Speaker 1: That's a good one.
Speaker 2: I thought that was really good. And y'all might have
Speaker 2: know it might you probably didn't forget it. But I
Speaker 2: May destroy you. It was a really good It was
Speaker 2: only one heart, but I May Destroy You was so
Speaker 2: fucking was really so good. But I couldn't give it
Speaker 2: top three because it only had one season. So but
Speaker 2: I think they kept that going. I think that ship
Speaker 2: would would make its way into the top conversation.
Speaker 1: Did they cancel or did they always just playing one season?
Speaker 1: It seemed like they always playing one season is what
Speaker 1: it seemed like the way it ended. But that, yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like that is a good one. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel like they could have kept that one going. I
Speaker 1: may destroy it was really Yeah, she killed that ship.
Speaker 1: That ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't realize was show into I looked up
Speaker 2: the list. Yeah, so that's what I'm glad he provided
Speaker 2: that list. I didn't see the list of any honorable mentions.
Speaker 1: For you kids in the hall. Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: That I used to watch that ship all the time.
Speaker 4: That she was funny to me, I'm squishing your hand.
Speaker 4: So that's a nostalgia pick the city.
Speaker 1: I was about to say, Yeah, I was about to say,
Speaker 1: nobody look like, don't look at me like that. You
Speaker 1: know you watched it, Like, wait a minute, you're gonna
Speaker 1: had on sex and the city. The city, but a
Speaker 1: top anything, it's an honorable mention. It is able fact.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know where at the top
Speaker 2: it would all fit. But I was wondering if anybody
Speaker 2: was gonna say, I am.
Speaker 1: I'm secure to sit there watching ship every day and
Speaker 1: week with my girl and we'll be talking about that ship. Man.
Speaker 1: I love it. I said what you might call it
Speaker 1: a fucking love Craft country. I don't. Yeah, I need
Speaker 1: to rewatch. I talked about love Craft to another conversations,
Speaker 1: but not this one. But Mike. Last night, I watched
Speaker 1: the first episode of Dary Good. Don't you saying too much?
Speaker 1: Don't say much. I ain't seen it. I ain't watched
Speaker 1: I was the build up. Oh I thought you were good.
Speaker 5: I'm loving it, man, I gotta watch epis episode for
Speaker 5: the first episode ends. No spoilers, but I was seriously like,
Speaker 5: are you all serious? This has to be a dream
Speaker 5: or something.
Speaker 4: If it wasn't so late, I would have watched the
Speaker 4: second episode, but I never watched it. I haven't watched
Speaker 4: this episode two yet, but that's first episode. I was like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, it's good man, Yeah, it is good.
Speaker 5: I wish I would have looked at this list before
Speaker 5: we started talking, but you see it. I didn't because
Speaker 5: I didn't even see he put that in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good. The link is good. Did you did
Speaker 1: your honibles already? You kind of did did you have
Speaker 1: any I would have if I had looked at this list.
Speaker 1: Was trying to find the name of the what happened?
Speaker 1: I said. One man was boardwalk Empire. That's when a
Speaker 1: lot of peoplewalk Empire was incredible. Steve A.
Speaker 3: SHEMI absolutely, absolutely And the guy who half faced, I
Speaker 3: can't remember his name.
Speaker 1: He's really good too.
Speaker 3: Later on Your Boy Narcis, he played Jeffrey right, Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: you up? He came later absolutely killed it. Old war
Speaker 3: was in that Mike was Yep, he killed it.
Speaker 5: Y's right, But nah, one what I was gonna throw
Speaker 5: out there was is that this is the town or
Speaker 5: this is our town, the one that had shame for
Speaker 5: walking Dead?
Speaker 1: Remember that you told us to watch that. That was good.
Speaker 1: I've seen it. It was good.
Speaker 5: I was trying to find the name of it, but
Speaker 5: I can't find I think it's it's either this is
Speaker 5: the town. Oh we owned the city, thank you? Oh yeah,
Speaker 5: because own the city. It's similar to the it's basic Philly,
Speaker 5: I mean basic. Yeah, it's about it's about the police force.
Speaker 1: Did you want the true story? Yep? I listened to
Speaker 1: a podcast about it.
Speaker 3: Not even put into it two together as they were
Speaker 3: telling the story of the podcast that shot.
Speaker 1: And then I had to look it up. But yeah,
Speaker 1: they told the whole story about that ship. Was he he? John? Yeah? Man,
Speaker 1: he did he amazing John? Good God. I thought we did.
Speaker 1: I guess we didn't. I thought we just talked about it.
Speaker 1: But I thought we did too, But we probably just
Speaker 1: talked about it. It took me.
Speaker 3: I couldn't really get into it first because I was
Speaker 3: had sold many wire people in it, and I was
Speaker 3: just make them like the Wire.
Speaker 1: But this is something totally different. That ship was fantastic.
Speaker 1: It's so good. That's a good one. I forgot about that.
Speaker 1: Any love for what is it? All of us?
Speaker 6: What is it called?
Speaker 1: This is? This is not not? This is us? This
Speaker 1: is which one?
Speaker 6: Is it?
Speaker 1: The last of us? Last? Last of us? Any love
Speaker 1: for that? Not in my top? They jumped. There's too
Speaker 1: many good shows put that at my top. Okay, I
Speaker 1: still think the show is incredible, but I feel like
Speaker 1: it makes our tops when we do. They're still building
Speaker 1: though they're not done yet. You know, they may be.
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody is really interested. Well after
Speaker 1: what happened, Yeah, do you think they're having a ga moment.
Speaker 1: What happened trying to.
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: No, yeah, I know it was real life. Did you
Speaker 1: do something? No, I don't know. People are just trying
Speaker 1: to say the show is too woke. Right, White, I
Speaker 1: think you might have who are you thinking of the
Speaker 1: women we just talked about hawk, Oh, I don't look alike.
Speaker 1: That ship was funny though, and then I read funny.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's true, but it's funny. Well
Speaker 1: I read the article and it was not as funny,
Speaker 1: but the headline was funny.
Speaker 4: There's some there's some accusations going back and forth between
Speaker 4: the two of them, So each one of are accusing
Speaker 4: each other, doing some fun up ship through each other.
Speaker 1: It's crazy ship.
Speaker 5: Now this last of us is I have to wait
Speaker 5: till season three. If season three comes back and they
Speaker 5: kill it, then maybe we can talk again.
Speaker 1: But could White Lotus make it any at some point?
Speaker 5: I really, I really didn't do my homework at all,
Speaker 5: y'all was White Loaves would have been an honorable mention
Speaker 5: because I've loved everything so far.
Speaker 1: Everything so far, no.
Speaker 2: Love for Kurt who Kurby enthusiasm, No, but you made
Speaker 2: me think of it's the longest it's the longest running
Speaker 2: HBO show.
Speaker 1: I think it has twelve seasons.
Speaker 3: Did you watch Barry can Nobody watched Barry watch the
Speaker 3: whole first season thanks to fucking Nick, asked Nick.
Speaker 1: And you didn't like it? Hell hated that ship? Nalely
Speaker 1: of that show is amazing. Man watching That's interesting?
Speaker 2: All right, man, we're gonna get up out of here.
Speaker 2: Ma anything else y'all want to bring up for his
Speaker 2: HBO shows?
Speaker 1: This is a good one.
Speaker 5: Trying to scam through and see there's anything else. I
Speaker 5: messed but yeah, I don't see anything, all right?
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