1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Now I was told by Braun, the governor correct, who 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: would never lie, has a great track record of being 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:12,239 Speaker 1: very honest and sincere with people, very trustworthy individual, that 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: we weren't talking about property taxes in the upcoming session, 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:20,319 Speaker 1: special session, whatever, because people were very happy with the 6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: property tax bill. Now you and I are yet to 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: on either side of the aisle find a single person 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: happy with the property tax bill, but the governor. And 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: this is also in direct contrast to what he told 10 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: those Once upon a time, I thought they were well meeting. 11 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: Now I just think they're Republican shills that meet with 12 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: him on a regular basis. 13 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: That he had to want ace up his sleeve. 14 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: And he told me he was coming back for more, 15 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: all of that huffing and puffing Bronze that very happy 16 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: with the property taxes. 17 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 2: But now there is quite. 18 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: A bit of talk amongst the rank and file in 19 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: the general syboy who just voted for this bill, by 20 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: the way, despite being begged, begged by all sides of 21 00:00:58,120 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: that out to not vote for this bill. 22 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: There's que a few problems with this bill. I think 23 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: we got to make some change. 24 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, Is Governor Brown playing poker with our money? Is 25 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 3: that what's going on with that acepists sleeve. So you've 26 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 3: got State Senator Linda Rogers, she's from Granger. She co 27 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 3: authored a bill and wants to delay the local income 28 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 3: tax changes by a year to reassess the impact. 29 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: So one of the things that they did, look this 30 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: is about a money grab. Okay, the Senate Bill one 31 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: became about two things. It became about one a mass 32 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: giveaway to big business, which if you look at what 33 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: Senate Bill one became, the big winner are the businesses 34 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: with the what they call personal property tax deductions, which 35 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: will save them thousands and thousands of do you're getting 36 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: nothing basically, but they're going to save thousands and thousands 37 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: of dollars every year by changing the basically for lack 38 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: of to they call the reporting requirement. If you have 39 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: under a certain amount of personal property, you don't have 40 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: to file, and thus she'll be exempted from paying personal 41 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,919 Speaker 1: property tax on your business. And they're the big winners 42 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: because in Indiana, as we've told you how many times 43 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: on this show over the many many years, Indiana doesn't 44 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: give a damn about its residents, but they will roll 45 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: out the red carpet miles long for the big businesses anyway. 46 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: So that was the first part. 47 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: But the second part of it was because the lawmakers 48 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: don't want to actually help you, they had to find 49 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: ways for all of these government intods to not lose 50 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: a single penny loses a strong word not have to 51 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: do with not gain, not get as much as they 52 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: used to get. 53 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 2: It's not lost. We know where it is. 54 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: And the question nobody can answer for me about the 55 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: local governments, the schools, the cities, the towns, and blah 56 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: blah blah, what'd you do with all the money you 57 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: got the past five years, a record revenues flowing in 58 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: with these property tax spikes because of increased assessments. Where 59 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: did all the money go? 60 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 2: I've got an answer, Oh, they grew government. Yes, that's right. 61 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: They spent it, that's right. 62 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: Nobody planned and said, hey, we got to squirrel away 63 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: few nuts for when the cold winter comes. They just 64 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: spent it. And then it became their baseline. And you 65 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: just saw this play out in Avon, where what they 66 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: do despite all this record revenue coming in, what they say, Well, 67 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: that referendum raised it's our baseline. Now we expected that 68 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: was literally one of their talking about was it's not 69 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: a tax then increase. It's just the renewal of the 70 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: current taxes. Yeah, but that's way over the tax cap. No, no, 71 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: it's a renewal. It's a renewal. You people are being 72 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: very mean. We need fourteen million more. And so this 73 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: bill was basically a giveaway to big business while not 74 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: not in any way forcing local governments to get their 75 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: act together. And one of the ways they did this 76 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: was allowing local governments to institute these local option income 77 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: tax increases that they previously couldn't do before, which will 78 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: cost I mean, think about it. One point two I 79 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: think is the max they can raise it to based 80 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: on they couldn't do anything before. City, your town. If 81 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: you're making one hundred large, what's one percent of that? 82 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: It's one hundred, it's one thousand dollars. Well, if you 83 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: saved three hundred dollars on your property taxes, which is 84 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: the max amount you could save under this bill, and 85 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: your income tax theoretically went up one hundred or went 86 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: up one thousand dollars, casey's a thousand more than three hundred. 87 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 2: Yes, it is. So you're paying a lot more and taxes, 88 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 2: aren't you? 89 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: And then that's on top of all, these schools are 90 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: going to sprint out for referendums and all of this 91 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: other stuff that's going to go on. And we said, look, 92 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: the bill is a complete dumpster fire. It's going to 93 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: screw people, which was your goal from the beginning, and 94 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: now they're kind of maybe sort of admitting it without 95 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: using the well, the rather harsh language that we use 96 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: on this program. 97 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 3: I was told during this short upcoming session they weren't 98 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 3: going to address. 99 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: Broun said, everyone's very happy, So he's gonna have to 100 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: square with a Linda Rodgers. How if everyone's very happy, 101 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: why she's hearing we need to delay all of this 102 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: because everyone's very happy.