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Speaker 1: Let's talk about what's going on with Nancy Guthrie. Of course,

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Speaker 1: she's the eighty four year old mother of NBC Today

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Speaker 1: Show host Savannah Guthrie.

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Speaker 2: So at this point, what are.

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Speaker 1: We thinking, because it's been since Saturday, Saturday night she disappeared.

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Speaker 2: Can I give my honest thoughts here? Is that it's

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Speaker 2: going to be good news. I don't want to be ghoulish,

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Speaker 2: and we're certainly a tragic out We're rooting for a

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Speaker 2: tragic outcome to be avoided here. I think this is

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Speaker 2: going to be a lin Berg baby situation. And what

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Speaker 2: do you mean by that? The linn Berg Baby, of course,

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Speaker 2: one of the most famous kidnappings in American history that

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Speaker 2: unfortunately ended in tragedy because the infant was slain not

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Speaker 2: long after he was kidnapped. The ransom was delivered, but

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Speaker 2: the child was not returned. I suspect a similar outcome here.

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Speaker 2: If Nancy was allowed to return safely to her family,

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Speaker 2: she could ultimately help identify the perpetrators. And there is

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Speaker 2: an incredible likelihood that this is an individual, if not

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Speaker 2: directly related, then somehow in the orbits of the Guthrie family.

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Speaker 2: That is often the case with crimes of this nature.

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Speaker 2: It is somebody that the family knows and is familiar with,

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Speaker 2: so eighty eighty five percent right, So there's an incredible

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Speaker 2: high likely to a likelihood, And even if they weren't,

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Speaker 2: there's still motivation for them not to release her back

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Speaker 2: to the family. Now, obviously, we hope the best. We

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Speaker 2: hope the best for Savannah, we hope the best for Nancy.

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Speaker 2: We hope that she is returned safely. However, if if

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Speaker 2: I had to guess, I think this is going to

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Speaker 2: have a negative outcome. Soestionly.

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Speaker 1: The FBI assisting in the case, and they have offered

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Speaker 1: a fifty thousand dollars reward for credible information. Multiple ransom

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Speaker 1: notes had been reported by media outlets, and authorities say

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Speaker 1: they are investigating them all. One impostor was in fact

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Speaker 1: arrested on unrelated charges.

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Speaker 2: Somebody faking Yeah, r what kind of scumbag do you

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Speaker 2: have to be? Right to take.

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Speaker 1: Advance try and cash in on the situation, in.

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Speaker 2: On this situation. It's absolutely ridiculous, it's obscene, and I'm

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Speaker 2: glad that that one scumbag was caught and arrested because

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Speaker 2: he needs to face some consequences for this trying to

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Speaker 2: profit off of a family's tragedy in their most darkest hour. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So here is a special agent with the FBI talking

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Speaker 1: about the impostor who was arrested in the disappearance of

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Speaker 1: Nancy Guthrie.

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Speaker 2: Hey, agent, I'll want to follow off with you real

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Speaker 2: quick on that. There have been as far as we know,

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Speaker 2: I think three ransom notes so far one arrest. Are

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Speaker 2: they all different? Who think there's different authors behind all

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Speaker 2: of them? Or so?

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Speaker 3: The one that went to the media is the one.

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Speaker 3: We are currently investigating and working on the impostor that

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Speaker 3: I talked about where arrest was made early this morning

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Speaker 3: that there'll be more information. We believe there's no evidence

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Speaker 3: to connect this to Nancy's case. It was someone that

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Speaker 3: was trying to profit from it, a total imposter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just low someone trying to cash in. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: on this situation, it's the lowest of the low and

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Speaker 2: obviously not somebody with a high degree of intellect because

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Speaker 2: they were caught in a relatively short amount of time.

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Speaker 2: And these crimes in the modern age, with the technological

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Speaker 2: resources that law enforcement officials have at their disposal, are

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Speaker 2: extremely difficult to get away with. In the to get

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Speaker 2: away with to begin with, and there's just there's not

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Speaker 2: a lot of reason for you to try a stunt

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Speaker 2: like this. It is much better for you just to

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Speaker 2: work hard and make wise investments than try to hold

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Speaker 2: an individual for ransom. Aren't we past this at the

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Speaker 2: stage in society? I guess, I guess not. Well. Fortunately,

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Speaker 2: what you don't.

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Speaker 1: Want to see happen is more copycat crimes this taking

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Speaker 1: place more often.

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Speaker 2: Is it just me? Or do just fifty thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: seem like a low threshold for giving a useful tip

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Speaker 2: to lead to the capture and restoration of Nancy.

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Speaker 1: For a tip, I don't think it's low for the

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Speaker 1: discovery of her. I do think it is low, yeah,

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Speaker 1: But for a tip that leads to it.

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Speaker 2: I think that's okay, Okay, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting. People are saying, well, Savannah Guthrie's got lots

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Speaker 1: of money, why doesn't she just pay?

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Speaker 2: Because there's no communication.

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Speaker 1: They sent these ransom notes, but there's no way for

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Speaker 1: them to go back and forth, which is why Savannah

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Speaker 1: Guthrie and her siblings have been putting out those videos.

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Speaker 1: Of course, Savannah Guthrie did one and then her brother

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Speaker 1: did another one last night, not only pleading for the

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Speaker 1: return of their mother, but also how to make contact

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Speaker 1: and show proof of life. Well, they sent these ransom notes,

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Speaker 1: but they express no way that they can communicate.

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Speaker 2: You've got to assume that the FBI is at this

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Speaker 2: point directing their communication with the hostage takers. They are

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Speaker 2: extremely experienced in this endeavor. They've been through it a

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Speaker 2: number of times. They have protocols with how to deal

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Speaker 2: with this. I suspect the outreach is a phishing attempt

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Speaker 2: to establish some sort of identifying information to lead back

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Speaker 2: to the kidnappers.

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Speaker 1: So Guthrie has stepped away from her NBC duties, including

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Speaker 1: Today's show appearances, also the Winter Olympics coverage that she

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Speaker 1: was slated to do. Her mother limited mobility, serious health issues.

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Speaker 1: That is a lot to take on if in fact

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Speaker 1: you were planning on. It's awful to say, but the

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Speaker 1: kidnappers in their minds, if they were taking this person,

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Speaker 1: that's a chore to take on an elderly person with.

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Speaker 2: Bad mobility, which is another reason why I say that

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Speaker 2: I suspect this is going to have a tragic outcome.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be another Lindbergh baby situation. I hope

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Speaker 2: that's not the case. But when you're dealing with somebody

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Speaker 2: that is of poor health, of advanced age, somebody that

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Speaker 2: requires medicaid, something that Savannah had brought up in one

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Speaker 2: of her addresses to the kidnappers, it just none of

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Speaker 2: this seems positioned for a successful return. Well.

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Speaker 1: And the other part of it that I find interesting

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Speaker 1: is that some of the conversations about it have changed.

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Speaker 1: Was she dropped off by uber? Was she dropped off

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Speaker 1: by a family member? All of it it seems to

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Speaker 1: be evolving.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that it will. The last I had heard,

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Speaker 2: somebody had apparently forced their way into the property. It

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Speaker 2: appeared that there was a there was a break in

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Speaker 2: that had led to her leaving the premises.

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Speaker 1: And there are ransom messages included specific bitcoin wallet addresses

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Speaker 1: and a deadline. TMZ said that one of the deadlines

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Speaker 1: wasn't met. The second deadline had a more dire warning.

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Speaker 1: So why cryptocurrency like bitcoin.

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Speaker 2: Well, because they believe that there is a veil of

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Speaker 2: anonymity that is afforded by cryptocurrency, and because of how

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Speaker 2: it's been used up to this point, that has remained true.

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Speaker 2: But everything when it comes to technology. Leads leaves behind

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Speaker 2: a footprint, a footprint that can be tracked, a footprint

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Speaker 2: that can be investigated. And I suspect if they were

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Speaker 2: to make a deposit to a legitimate account connected with

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Speaker 2: somebody in the kidnapping, then the FBI would ultimately be

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Speaker 2: able to trace that back to the individual that was

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Speaker 2: connected with the account.

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Speaker 1: Correct, They'll be able to track that back, but they

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Speaker 1: can't automatically identify who controls that account.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 1: It's it's synonymous. It's not anonymous, right, It's like somebody

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Speaker 1: can use a fake name to use it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, pseudonym Yeah,