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Speaker 1: It's not the fact that Anthony Richardson has only started

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Speaker 1: This is what happened in the last two hours in

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Speaker 1: And he went against it, and he went elsewhere, and

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Speaker 1: And yes, I understand this, and let's go back to this.

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Speaker 1: of you? Wt I had to take up the entire shot.

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Speaker 1: Eddie Garrison is going down with the ship. Eddie Garrison

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Speaker 1: I love the underdog story, says Eddie Garrison. Eddie, your

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Speaker 1: Eddie Garrison's where it is cold shirt? Can I please

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Speaker 1: ask what that Colt shirt is.

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Speaker 2: Eddie Grris. It's just got a number and a name

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Speaker 1: Eddie Garrison has put aside his beanie baby collection for

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Speaker 1: his collectable Anthony Richardson's shirt in Indianapolis. I didn't have those, Ella.

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Speaker 1: And Eddie. The bottom line is this. People are going

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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what happened. Eddie. Give me your thoughts

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Speaker 1: Play from again Eddie, I want to play one more

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Speaker 1: there's an important thing to decipher here. This is Shane

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Speaker 4: All right, I'll start off by opening letting everyone know

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Speaker 4: I thought the competition in training camp was great by both.

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Speaker 4: I think Daniel Daniel did a great job doing that,

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Speaker 1: Okay, two things here. Number One, that sounds to me

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Speaker 1: Daniel blew us away. But then later when he said

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Speaker 3: I'm very confused on how that is a culinary mistake, Jake.

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Speaker 1: So I believe it was Goodson. It might have been

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson carries a clipboard. Two three nine ten seventy

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Speaker 1: The big news Daniel Jones is your starting quarterback in

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Speaker 6: Hey, it's Paul. I'm a directoric giddiness is you're feeling

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Speaker 7: How you doing, Jake?

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Speaker 1: I'm good, all right.

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Speaker 6: I'm just gonna get into it.

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Speaker 7: This is this right here.

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Speaker 6: This decision has set.

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Speaker 6: Truly believe they're gonna start the season now oh and two,

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Speaker 6: let's start over.

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Speaker 6: he's still eight and seven as a starter.

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Speaker 1: So what do they do.

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Speaker 6: They go out and they see Sam Darnold and Baker

436
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Speaker 6: Mayfield had these resurrection careers, so they go and pick

437
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Speaker 6: Daniel Jones. Yeah, Daniel Jones is consistently sixty four to

438
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Speaker 6: sixty eight percent completion percentage.

439
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Speaker 8: But he's only he's only passing six to.

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Speaker 7: Ten yards down the field and he doesn't.

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Speaker 9: Include the rest of the team.

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Speaker 6: You have elite neighbors last year and you could not

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Speaker 6: go to it, which means this year, Alec Pierce and

444
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Speaker 6: ed Ni Mitchell are going to be non factors on

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Speaker 6: this coach office.

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Speaker 1: You touched on one thing and I appreciate it, Paul.

447
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Speaker 1: Alec Pierce is in a contract year, and if you're

448
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Speaker 1: Alec Pierce, you're probably happy at this point that you're

449
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: still going to be a free agent at the end

450
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Speaker 1: of the year worked out differently than the Bernard Ryman situation.

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Speaker 1: If you're Alec Pierce, You're like, man, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I want my options open now, Reggie, Regie, Regie, what's up? Reggie?

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Speaker 1: Not much?

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Speaker 10: Man, you got calling the JMV. But I've been listening

455
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Speaker 10: to your show lately and people say I'm a home

456
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Speaker 10: because I always I'm always for the home teams, but

457
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Speaker 10: I'm a stid share for Daniel's.

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Speaker 11: But I think Aar should be.

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Speaker 10: The one starting because he has more upsold. Your last

460
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 10: call has said he just throws a better long ball.

461
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 10: We had a guy to throw short passes and it

462
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Speaker 10: never got us anything because they would just sit on

463
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Speaker 10: a short pass, sit on a running game and you

464
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Speaker 10: couldn't get the ball out. So I'm still cheering for

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Speaker 10: the coach.

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Speaker 11: But I think Ar is.

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Speaker 10: Gonna have to stay ready and be ready to go

468
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Speaker 10: because I think he will get a shot sooner than later.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Reggie, let me say this. I appreciate the insight.

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Speaker 1: It's good insight. I know you're a regular caller on

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Speaker 1: Jav's show. John and I are tight. He's a great teammate,

472
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Speaker 1: a great co worker, and we get along well and

473
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Speaker 1: so I'm happy to have you on for this show

474
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Speaker 1: as well to warm you up for the big show.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 10: I was on the road coming back and wanted to

477
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Speaker 10: call it in because I knew some of those questions

478
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Speaker 10: about the Fantasy Football.

479
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Speaker 7: But I can't make it next Saturday.

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Speaker 11: I couldn't get in on that.

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Speaker 1: Well, Reggie, listen, we'll meet up sometime, I promise, but

482
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Speaker 1: be safe on the road. But I appreciate you joining

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Speaker 1: the company for sure. Mike, Mike your thoughts.

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Speaker 12: Hey, Hey, Jake, I love your show, watch it all

485
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Speaker 12: the time. I'm very disappointed the ar did not win

486
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Speaker 12: the job. But at the same time, I think it's

487
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Speaker 12: Shane Stikeen and vig Or not big belter, but the

488
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 12: gym saving their jobs because in Daniel Jones feel they

489
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Speaker 12: can bring Ar in and ar is going to look

490
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Speaker 12: a little bit better than any late last year and

491
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Speaker 12: they gonna say, well, hey, he's doing better, so can

492
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Speaker 12: we get one more year? But I'm still Colt Nation,

493
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Speaker 12: and I hope they do.

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Speaker 1: Will Man. I'll tell you what the Mike, it's an

495
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Speaker 1: interesting one because if Richardson and I do think, you know, realistically,

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Speaker 1: you'd have to look at it and say, at some

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Speaker 1: point Richardson's going to get a shot this year even

498
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Speaker 1: though Shane Stikeen and I want to play this Eddie.

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Speaker 1: We have Shane Stikeen answering the question as to whether

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Speaker 1: or not this is a fluid situation or one in

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Speaker 1: which he believes that this decision of Daniel Jones is

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Speaker 1: what he wants to be firm for the course of

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Speaker 1: the year.

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Speaker 4: Look, he's our starting quarterback for the season. You know,

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Speaker 4: I don't want to have a quick lease on that.

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Speaker 4: I feel confident in his abilities.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now, he also before we get back to calls

508
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Speaker 1: here talking about Shane Stikeen, he elaborated even more so

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Speaker 1: than that did Stikeen on the situation. You know why

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Speaker 1: now here we are before you even go into preseason

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Speaker 1: game number three, Shane Steiken, why the decision now in

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think you know, we got three weeks for

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Speaker 4: our first game, and it's I think it's fair to

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Speaker 4: the team that they know who their starting quarterback is

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Speaker 4: going to be and they get those reps this week

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Speaker 4: in practice and the following week and getting into game week.

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Speaker 5: So there's just clarity at that position.

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Speaker 1: Okay, again, I go back to what I said earlier,

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Speaker 1: it's an indictment on the decision of Chris Ballard in

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Speaker 1: my opinion, Brian, Brian, your thoughts.

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Speaker 13: Jacobe Brissette, Philip Rivers, Carson Wentz, Matt Ryan, Anthony Richardson,

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Speaker 13: Dan Neil Jones. Listen to these names of quarterbacks. Since

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Speaker 13: Bluck has retired, what more is it going to take

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Speaker 13: get rid of Chris power.

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Speaker 7: He needs to be fired immediately.

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Speaker 1: Enough of this now? Is that? Because should they? Would

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Speaker 1: you be saying the same thing, And I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: that argumentatively. I'm curious if Anthony Richardson was the starter

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Speaker 1: right now and that's who they're going with, would you

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Speaker 1: be saying the same thing or do you see that

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Speaker 1: as an indictment on the fact that when it finally

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Speaker 1: came down to him making that decision, he picked the

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Speaker 1: wrong guy.

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Speaker 13: I would still want Chris Ballard fired at least if

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Speaker 13: Anthony Richardson was named the starter, maybe there's a little

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Speaker 13: bit of hope that he.

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Speaker 11: Can turn the corner.

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Speaker 13: Right now, Richardson is a huge, gigantic bust.

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Speaker 9: Can't You can't whip with the fourth overall pick as.

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Speaker 14: At GM to still have any credibility.

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Speaker 13: There's no trust. You know, you just can't trust power

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Speaker 13: to make the correct decision anything.

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Speaker 1: By the way, please, by the way, you did forget

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Speaker 1: Sam Ellinger, Nick Foles, and Gardner Minshew in your question,

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Speaker 1: and Joe Flacco. I think you forgot Flacco also just

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Speaker 1: to be Phil.

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Speaker 13: Flacco, Gardner, Jacob Easton, Sam Alix, Heerd, the allbums. He

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Speaker 13: doesn't know what he's doing when it comes to evaluating quarterbacks.

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Speaker 14: He doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Brian, I appreciate it. Austin, Austin, what's up?

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Speaker 2: Hey, what's up?

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Speaker 15: Man?

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Speaker 14: I'm not exactly gonna be saying anything that anyone else

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Speaker 14: wouldn't be saying today, but this QB carousel situation is

556
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Speaker 14: just laughably embarrassing. I don't even want to call myself

557
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 14: a Colts fan anymore because whenever we get given a

558
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Speaker 14: bit of hope, it gets slammed right in our face.

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Speaker 14: And I'm tired of pretend Stikeen this smart guy. I'm

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Speaker 14: sure he's a nice guy, but I haven't seen anything

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Speaker 14: besides when we signed him to that contract when he

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Speaker 14: first came here that indicates that he's anything above average.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing I think we're going to find out

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Speaker 1: now whether or not stiking is because that's right, because

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Speaker 1: now you know again I'm going to go back to

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Speaker 1: Austin and I appreciate the call in the thought. Shane

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Speaker 1: Stikeen was hired as the head coach in February of

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Speaker 1: twenty three. He's hired as the head coach, and I

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Speaker 1: want you to put yourself in the position of Shane Steichen.

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Speaker 1: Here you are interviewing for the head coaching position of

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Speaker 1: an NFL franchise for the first time in your career,

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Speaker 1: and that franchise says to you, Hey, one of the

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Speaker 1: things that is a key part of this and why

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Speaker 1: we are intrigued by you, is because you are an

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Speaker 1: offensive mind, and we are about to hand the keys

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Speaker 1: over to a young quarterback for the first time since

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Speaker 1: Andre Luck's retirement. We finally have kicked the can long

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Speaker 1: enough and we are going to select and draft a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Are you on board with the development of a young

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Speaker 1: player we draft, looking at an opportunity for the first

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Speaker 1: time as a head coach in the NFL. Naturally he's

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Speaker 1: going to go, yeah, I'm on board, sign me up.

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Speaker 1: So then he sits there and two and a half

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Speaker 1: months later, he's in the world room with Chris Ballard,

585
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Speaker 1: and Chris Ballard is saying I got CJ. Stroud, I

586
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Speaker 1: got Bryce Young, I got Will Levis, I got Anthony Richardson.

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Speaker 1: I realized that Shane Stiken surely had opinion, and maybe

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Speaker 1: his opinion was that Richardson was the guy that most

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Speaker 1: intrigued him. But in that situation, when you are brand

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Speaker 1: new as a first time head coach in your dream

591
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Speaker 1: job and you're two months removed from saying everything necessary

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Speaker 1: in the job interview and agreeing to it, are you

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Speaker 1: really going to speak your mind or are you going

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Speaker 1: to go along with whatever it is? Yeah? Boss, it's

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Speaker 1: a great decision hitting it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then

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Speaker 1: the helmet tap happened, and then Chris Ballard said, I

597
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Speaker 1: Am going to put the ball in your court, and

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Speaker 1: Shane Steiken said, Okay, I've been here long enough. Now

599
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Speaker 1: I'm the established head coach and you've given me that autonomy.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to indirectly say you picked the wrong guy.

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Speaker 1: Cindy Denise, who got us to number twenty four for

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Speaker 1: our female listeners, Hi, Cindy Denise, how are you?

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Speaker 16: I'm good?

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Speaker 11: How are you you know?

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Speaker 1: I'm Okay, how does it sound? I am? Does it

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Speaker 1: sound like I'm having an OK day? I don't want

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Speaker 1: to sound like.

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Speaker 16: I'm down, Honestly, I just turned on the radio about

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Speaker 16: ten minutes ago, so I haven't been listening very long.

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Speaker 16: But I have to tell that this is definitely on

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Speaker 16: everybody's mind.

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Speaker 1: Correct your thoughts on it?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I think the cult.

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Speaker 1: What were you doing, Cindy until ten minutes ago? Just

615
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Speaker 1: out of curiosity. I'd like to know the excuse for

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Speaker 1: your tardiness.

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Speaker 16: I just I was picking up my son.

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Speaker 1: Okay, is your son in the car now?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I'm opening the door. The're about what he's asking

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Speaker 16: for his iPad. You gotta go, buddy, I can't that fine.

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Speaker 1: That's okay, Okay, So your thoughts on the quarterback deal.

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Speaker 16: I think that the whole retire organization needs to be

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Speaker 16: overhauled from top to bottom. I'm just not happy with

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Speaker 16: the way things have been going for a while, and

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Speaker 16: and the Anthony Richardson, you know, I just they've been patient.

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Speaker 16: I understand that, you know, they've got a lot invested

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Speaker 16: in him, but I'm just you just can't be patient

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Speaker 16: this long when it comes to you know, this many

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Speaker 16: seasons of you know what, Cindy, you know.

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Speaker 1: What happened here. Let's be honest, you know what happened.

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Speaker 17: What happened.

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Speaker 1: Shane Steichen had Anthony Richardson already for his first day

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Speaker 1: of school. He thought everything was good to go, and

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Speaker 1: then he dropped him off, and then Anthony Richardson came

635
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Speaker 1: walking back to the car and said, actually he still

636
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Speaker 1: needs his iPad and he's like, we went over this,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, like we went over this?

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Speaker 1: How many times do I need to tell you? Got

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00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: you're responsible for grabbing your own iPad and taking it

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00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: into school, And yet there's always that curve ball that

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00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: reminds you that you're the parent, right and when you

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00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: are the coach and you have a franchise quarterback, eventually

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Speaker 1: you need that quarterback to understand that your parenting job

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00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: should be over with and now you are trusted to

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Speaker 1: go into school and have all your ducks in a row.

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Speaker 1: And I think Shane Steikin felt like Anthony Richardson did not,

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Speaker 1: and that was the problem. Steven Holder, by the way,

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Speaker 1: two thirty Today, we'll continue this discussion and I'll look

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00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: back at how we got here. Next Yes, I want

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Speaker 1: to thank everybody who has texted in both to my

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Speaker 1: phone and then as well at two three nine ten seventy.

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Speaker 1: That includes Steve Mark, Colleen Raymond. Actually one person doesn't

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Speaker 1: have their name on here, but it just says you

654
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Speaker 1: are understating Steichen's role in picking Ar. The head coach

655
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Speaker 1: is brought in to be the CEO of the team,

656
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Speaker 1: and Ar was picked based on the success Steichen had

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Speaker 1: with Jalen Hurts. I get it, but again now that

658
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Speaker 1: he has more authority even with that, Steike and now

659
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Speaker 1: has opted against him. But several people chiming in and

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Speaker 1: will try to get to as many of them as

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Speaker 1: possible because this is a decision that has obviously big

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Speaker 1: impact on the Colts. And if you look historically and Steve, Jason,

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Speaker 1: Chris Don, I'm going to get to you here off

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Speaker 1: the top, I promise, But if you look historically at

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Speaker 1: the Colts, and somebody asked me earlier, they're like, Jake,

666
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Speaker 1: you know, has it always is it been like this

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Speaker 1: in this franchise before? Here is the difficult thing. When

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00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: the Colts first arrived in Indianapolis. And I'm saying this

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Speaker 1: just for people who may not have been around or

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Speaker 1: may not have followed the team back then. When the

671
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Speaker 1: Colts first arrived in Indianapolis, they were not a good franchise.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a big reason why they left Baltimore

673
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Speaker 1: is because the Colts wanted a new stadium from the

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Speaker 1: city of Baltimore, and there was a lot of hesitation

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Speaker 1: amongst the Baltimore you know, the mayor. The mayor wanted

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Speaker 1: them to stay, but people didn't. The taxpayers didn't want

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Speaker 1: to build them a new state in renovation and whatever,

678
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Speaker 1: because they had been you know, bottom barrel franchise in

679
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Speaker 1: the later years of Barb Bursay in Baltimore. So when

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Speaker 1: they arrived here, they had Mike pagel, Art Sleister, Mark Herman,

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00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: and Sleister was the guy that was going to be

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Speaker 1: the guy. He had been a prodigy at Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: He was a top draft pick, and he had personal

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Speaker 1: demons that did him in obviously. And then in eighty

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Speaker 1: six they drafted Jack Trudeau in the second round. And

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Speaker 1: Trudeau was a solid player, solid and of course the

687
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Speaker 1: thought was, well, this guy's a solid player, but he's

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Speaker 1: a solid backup, backup Jack. They drafted Chris Chandler in

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Speaker 1: eighty eight, also I believe in the second round, and

690
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Speaker 1: he was another solid, promising young player. But once they

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Speaker 1: had Chris Chandler, they and Trudeau was still in the mix.

692
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Speaker 1: And then finally Jim Rsey fell in love with Jeff George. Understandable,

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Speaker 1: Jeff George had been the number one high school player

694
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Speaker 1: in America. He had the million dollar arm he by

695
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: the time he got to Illinois and found stability underneath them,

696
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Speaker 1: he rose. He skyrocketed through his workouts leading up to

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Speaker 1: the draft. When he announced his departure from Illinois, and

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Speaker 1: the Colts traded Andre Risen Chris Henton for Jeff George.

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Speaker 1: And so Jeff George comes on board and there is

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Speaker 1: your first Indianapolis cult franchise quarterback. But they had traded

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00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: away their best lineman, They'd traded away their best receiver.

702
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: They eventually made the trade for Eric Dickerson, who was

703
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Speaker 1: a good teammate for George, but Ron Meyer wanted to

704
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Speaker 1: run a wishbone, and it just they never found any solidarity.

705
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Speaker 1: They had coaching change after coaching change and coordinator change

706
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Speaker 1: after coordinator change, and George had a holdout and it

707
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: just did not go well. So Jeff George was traded away.

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Speaker 1: Then they went the veteran quarterback route. Jim Harbaugh had success.

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Speaker 1: For certain, Don Mkowsky was a guy that everybody thought

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Speaker 1: was going to be, you know, the reawakened the Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnold of the early nineties. He had been a great

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Speaker 1: quarterback in Green Bay, or at least a very good

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Speaker 1: one and found kind of magic in a bottle here

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Speaker 1: for a short time. And then Harbaugh kind of won

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Speaker 1: the job. Craig Erickson was brought in. He was another

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Speaker 1: one that had been a big college star. People thought

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Speaker 1: that would be a guy that but Harbaugh, the KG veteran,

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Speaker 1: beat him out. Then Harbaugh eventually got hurt, Paul Justin

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Speaker 1: took over. Harbaugh left to go to Baltimore. They had

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Speaker 1: a season where with Paul Justin and Kelly Holcombe starting

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Speaker 1: and Harbaugh shelved for the better part of the end

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Speaker 1: of the year. Then they got the number one pick

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Speaker 1: in the draft and that's when they drafted Peyton Manning

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Speaker 1: and you know the rest from there. And I really

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Speaker 1: I do believe that between Peyton Manning and then the

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Speaker 1: transition straight into Andrew Luck because it had been nearly

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Speaker 1: thirty years since the Colts had had to groom and

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Speaker 1: develop a franchise quarterback. I think they and I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about Jim Mersay rest his soul, but I think that

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Speaker 1: Jim Mersay because of the fact that he in his

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Speaker 1: mind when you draft a quarterback in the top five,

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Speaker 1: he was still thinking about the Andrew Luck and Peyton

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Speaker 1: Manning success and underestimated the difficulty in a young quarterback

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Speaker 1: learning that position. And so they handed the keys to

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson prematurely because that's what they had done for

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Speaker 1: Luck and for Manning, and those guys are different. Young

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks are a lot more Anthony Richardson than they are

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Speaker 1: Andrew Luck and Peyton Manning. Meaning for the best of

739
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Speaker 1: the best, the Joe Montanas of the world, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean most franchise quarterbacks. It takes a while. Patrick

741
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: Mahomes didn't come out of the womb as Patrick Mahomes

742
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Speaker 1: in his NFL career, nor did Josh Allen. It takes

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Speaker 1: a while. And the Colts assumed, because they've been through

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Speaker 1: it with Luck and with Manning, that you just hand

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Speaker 1: the keys, you turn them, and you're off and running.

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Speaker 1: And did they put the proper pieces around Anthony Richardson,

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Speaker 1: Did they give him everything necessary or did the injuries

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Speaker 1: do him into the fact that he could not get

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Speaker 1: that stability, could not get that footing. And that's where

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Speaker 1: we are. But I will again go over what I

751
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Speaker 1: think this means and THEO, Don Steve, the rest of you.

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Speaker 1: I want continued conversation about this because it is a

753
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: major major decision today. Daniel Jones, the starting quarterback in Indianapolis,

754
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: continued reaction and conversation. But before we bring in THEO

755
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: and Don Steve read some of your texts as well

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Speaker 1: at two three nine ten seventy. Let's go back to

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Speaker 1: what happened earlier today and what I believe this means.

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Speaker 3: Are you talking about Rick Carlisle getting extended by the pacerstick.

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Speaker 1: That is the least surprising news of all, is it not? Oh? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Carlisle in the mix for how much longer?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: No real actually details on that, just Mark Stein and

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Speaker 3: I think James Boyd confirming Stein's report that Carlisle has

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Speaker 3: agreed to an extension.

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Speaker 1: The which is good news obviously. And Carlisle, you know,

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Speaker 1: that's what what the Pacers have done. And it's interesting

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Speaker 1: you mentioned that, Eddie, because whether people want to know

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Speaker 1: this or not, or believe this or not, I should

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Speaker 1: say the Pacers and the Colts obviously have somewhat of

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00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 1: a symbiotic relationship within this market, and they support one another.

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Speaker 1: And I mean I realized that the final tweet of

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Speaker 1: Jim Mersey was something about the Pacers in the Knicks game,

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Speaker 1: and you know, there is definitely some cross promotion and support,

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Speaker 1: but there is also just a natural competitive nature of

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Speaker 1: it as well of wanting to be the dominant talking

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Speaker 1: point in town or the dominant love interest in town.

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Speaker 1: And the Pacers not long ago were in the situation

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Speaker 1: where they had to do a retool and a rebuild,

779
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: and they had this Domas Sabonis and Miles Turner, and

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Speaker 1: that was the way that they were kind of going

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00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: through those two guys, and they decided they needed to

782
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: go in another direction, and they quickly turned it around

783
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Speaker 1: by going out and making those trades, and they essentially

784
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Speaker 1: said this is going to be a process, and we

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Speaker 1: need you folks to be aware of it and be

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Speaker 1: patient and understanding. And it did not take long, and

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Speaker 1: I think there was a lot of internal peace that

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Speaker 1: came for Pacer fans of knowing that Rick Carlisle as

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00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: the head coach was this face of stability and familiarity

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00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: that as long as he was there, you could trust

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Speaker 1: the direction. And Kevin Pritchard has obviously developed that for

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Speaker 1: himself as well in Chad By Cannon and Frankly, Colts

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Speaker 1: fans don't feel that. I haven't realized Colts fans many

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00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: of them are Pacer fans. And the reason they don't

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00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 1: feel that is because when the Colts eventually said we've

796
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: done our sabonus Turner efforts too long, with Carson Wentz

797
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: and with Matt Ryan and with Philip Rivers, we've done it,

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00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: and Gardner Minshew even though Minshew was with Richardson, but

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Speaker 1: we've done that. We need our time is now, and

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00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: we need you to be patient and understanding because we

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00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: are ripping off the band aid and starting over it.

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00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: And we're going to do it by finally trusting Chris

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Speaker 1: Baller to draft a franchise quarterback. And yes, you can

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00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: certainly say, well, that wasn't a deep quarterback year, okay,

805
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 1: but that was the year they elected to take care

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00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: of it. And that was the year that they decided

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00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: to stand pat where they were and not move up

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00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: to get a CJ. Stroud, Carolina moved up to get

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Speaker 1: Bryce Young. And I'm not sitting here saying that Bryce

810
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: Young is the NLBL, don't misunderstand me. But it is

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Speaker 1: the Colts who said, if Anthony Richardson, if we had

812
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: the number one pick, this is still who he would

813
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: have taken. And so the Colts said, we are now

814
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: ripping up the band aid. And like the Pacers when

815
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: they started from scratch, they could have asked for patience

816
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: and a window of time to let it simmer before

817
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: we made a decision. But they are the ones that

818
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: accelerated the timeline by saying the times now we're handing

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Speaker 1: the keys to the guy and he's going to go

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Speaker 1: start for us. And I think they would like to

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Speaker 1: have that back. But either way, the big thing is

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Speaker 1: that Chris Ballard, and yes, I know Shane Steichen was

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Speaker 1: the head coach at the time that Richardson was drafted,

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Speaker 1: but Chris Ballard kicked the can long enough, and in

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00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three he finally had the opportunity to make

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Speaker 1: the most important decision that a general manager makes in

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Speaker 1: the National Football League, which is arguably the most important

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00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: decision in all of sports, and that is selecting your

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Speaker 1: quarterback because it's the most important position in sports. And

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Speaker 1: Chris Ballard, who had already swung and missed on his

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Speaker 1: first head coaching decision, and selected and hired a guy

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Speaker 1: that then backed out on him at the eleventh hour

833
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: and announced his hiring before they even had an ink

834
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Speaker 1: on the contract done, and then got bailed out of

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Speaker 1: that by Frank Reich, being connected to Jim irsay, and

836
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: you end up with Frank Wright. And then he gets

837
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: a quarterback from the veteran standpoint, that is one that

838
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: seemingly has a lot more tread on the tires in

839
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: listening to Frank Reich in that regard, and goes with

840
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz and the owner immediately says, I don't like

841
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: this guy. So they go back to the drawing board,

842
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: back to the veteran route, and finally it comes down

843
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: to it where Chris Ballard has to make the signature

844
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Speaker 1: and most important draft selection of his tenure, and in

845
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Speaker 1: doing so, he drafts a quarterback that three years later

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Speaker 1: the coach that he gave and entrusted to make a

847
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: decision rejected it and hit return to sender. That's how

848
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: it looks, whether that's the overstating it, maybe, but that's

849
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Speaker 1: how it looks. How it looks right now. Is that

850
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: Chris Ballard's most important selection in his tenure as the

851
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: general manager of the Indianapolis Colts, then three years later

852
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: his head coach. And I think this decision was made

853
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: last year in the helmet tap, when Anthony Richardson tapped

854
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: his helmet and then said I was tired. I'm not

855
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: gonna lie. Shane Steiken looked at that and went, you

856
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: have got to be kidding me. It's one thing to

857
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: be too tired and take yourself out at the end

858
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: of a drive. It's another one to admit it to

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00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: the entire world and to tap your helmet and say

860
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: you want out. That alone is inconceivable. What are you

861
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: going to say to the guys in the trenches? What

862
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: are you going to say to Michael Pittman Junior in

863
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: his bad back? What are you going to say to

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Speaker 1: all these guys that you were too tired? So right then,

865
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Speaker 1: Shane Steichen began questioning the overall decision making of Anthony Richardson,

866
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: not his character, not his morals, just his decision making.

867
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: He began questioning the decision making of Anthony Richardson and

868
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson. In this preseason, they brought in Daniel Jones

869
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: to push him, and Anthony Richardson goes out and goes

870
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 1: eight for fourteen for ninety four yards, and he doesn't

871
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: do anything terrible, but he doesn't do anything to jump

872
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 1: out at you. And you need repetition, and you were

873
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: denied repetition if you're Anthony Richardson, because you didn't have

874
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:56,720
Speaker 1: recognition of a blitz coming from Baltimore and you separate

875
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: your pinky and you're out. And now all of a sudden,

876
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: you're back to square one again. And for Shane Steichen,

877
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: you're not again. I just needed you to recognize that

878
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: play coming and keep yourself healthy because I've got to

879
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: see what you can do. And then on top of that,

880
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: game number two he gets in against Green Bay, he's

881
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: playing against second and third stringers in defense. He had

882
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: a play where he threw a perfect ball. Anthony Richardson

883
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,479
Speaker 1: did in one play what Anthony Richardson does. He threw

884
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: a perfect pass right to I think it was an

885
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: ad Mitchell. I think it was Adie Mitchell. But he

886
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: threw a perfect ball right where it needs to be

887
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: might have been Tyler Warren. He seemed it right through

888
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: the defense man. It was a pretty ball, but it

889
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: was a ball that had the possibility of a turnover

890
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: and he had his running back wide open in what

891
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: should have been the read and the progression before that.

892
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: But Richardson does this, and Richardson on that play did

893
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: what That play perfectly encapsulated Anthony Richardson because he showed

894
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: you the tantalizing nature of who he can be with

895
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: the arm strength. But he did so at the cost

896
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: of the routine layup play that should have been the

897
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: easier progression and the earlier progression that he looked over

898
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: and instead increased possibility of disaster and those things I

899
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 1: think Shane Steiken looked at and Shane Steiken basically said,

900
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: it's in the meeting room. What we don't know is

901
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: what Shane Steiken sees. I remember when I was covering

902
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: the Saint Louis Rams. When I covered the Saint Louis Rams,

903
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: it was different. When I covered the Saint Louis Rams.

904
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: We had our entry card to Rams Park and we

905
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: could go wherever we wanted as media people. I'm not

906
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: saying that's right, wrong, whatever, but I remember one time

907
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: walking through Rams Park in Trunk candidate, who was a

908
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: top running back out of Arizona and had been a

909
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: first round pick for the Rams. I walked in and

910
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: Trunk candidate was walking on all on his hands and

911
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: with his feet in the air, on all fours going

912
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: through the complex, and I said, what in the world

913
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: are you doing? You saw? Oh man, my hamstrings, my

914
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: ankles get so sore out there that I walked like

915
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: this to spare them. It's something that I saw due

916
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: to the access inside the building that I would never

917
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: otherwise see. And trunk candidate never took off as a

918
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: running back. I don't know if it's because of that

919
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 1: or not, but you see things in the building that

920
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: you can't see from the press box the sidelines of

921
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: the television and Shane Steiken had to evaluate this in totality,

922
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: and in in totality he saw those things that led

923
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: him to believe that Daniel Jones was the better option,

924
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: and in doing so, he offered a complete indictment on

925
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: the most important decision that Chris Ballard as a general manager,

926
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: has had to make. THEO joins us at two nine

927
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,720
Speaker 1: and ten seventy. THEO has been patient. How are you THEO.

928
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 8: I'm fine.

929
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: How by yourself doing well? Thank you your thoughts on

930
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 1: the news man.

931
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 8: First of all, you are hitting some points, man. I

932
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 8: mean you're hitting the nail on the head man, I

933
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 8: mean you're doing it up. This is a big decision

934
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 8: for Shane Stiking, and I do believe what you said

935
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 8: is so correct that if this proved to be the

936
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 8: right decision by the coach, this is really an indictment

937
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 8: on Ballard and his decision making. And even with that,

938
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 8: Ballard I believe took the best quarterback left in that

939
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 8: draft class, and the coachs were tired of going on

940
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 8: being on the merrygo round of old retread quarterback. So

941
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 8: it was a tough situation for the organization overall. I

942
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 8: believe if God, I'm sorry, Well.

943
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: Here's all I was going to say THEO. I don't

944
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: disagree with that. And you know what, I'll tell you

945
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 1: another indictment of a decision of Chris Ballard. The Forest

946
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: Buckner is a wonderful player. He's a great player, probably

947
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: their best player. But to Forest Buckner, they sent a

948
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 1: draft pick to San Francisco that Chris Ballard will privately

949
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: tell you he contemplated using to take Justin Herbert, and

950
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: he wouldn't be in this situation if he had gone

951
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: with his gut instead of doing what at the time

952
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: maybe you thought was a good decision. But now you

953
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: have DeForest Buckner, and you have Quenton Nelson, and you

954
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: have Michael Pittman Junr. And you have Jonathan Taylor who

955
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: are in their prime, and it's going to be completely

956
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: wasted because you are still dilly dallying around at the

957
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: quarterback position because and in the case of Buckner it's

958
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: six and one half dozen the other I realized, because

959
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have him if he drafted Herbert. But right there,

960
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: opting to not take care of the quarterback situation, right there,

961
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 1: when you had a guy like Herbert in the availability

962
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: to you and waiting and kicking, that can further THEO

963
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: is a further indictment of bad judgment.

964
00:55:58,680 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 15: Man.

965
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 8: That's another great point. That's huge. Really, I just want

966
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 8: to because I know you have a lot of college

967
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 8: to get to. As great as Peyton Manning was, he's

968
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 8: a phenomenon. Like you said, Brady, these guys are just different.

969
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 8: Peyton Manning's rookie scene, he had twenty eight interceptions in

970
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 8: twenty six TDS and then after that he kind of

971
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 8: took off. But Richardson is not a He's not Peyton Manning.

972
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 8: But on the flip side of that, when I look

973
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,280
Speaker 8: at and I don't know what the reason is Jones

974
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 8: struggled in New York the way he did. The only

975
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 8: thing I know is with all the bad stats, the

976
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:43,439
Speaker 8: ms reeves and everything, Richardson went eight and seven as

977
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 8: a starter on You're right.

978
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: I know you're right about that, but the problem is

979
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 1: steal and again and I appreciate it. I think Steichen

980
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: saw it as that roster had as much to do.

981
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: They have a good roster. They do, and I agree,

982
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: Thel you make an outstanding point. And the point that

983
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: you make is this, and that is the fact that

984
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: even with that, Shane Stikeen thought that there was a

985
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: better option, which means it has to be a trunk

986
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: candidate situation if he saw something inside the building. Don

987
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: has been patient as well, Don the Milkman.

988
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 15: Milton's uh, you know what, you made My point on

989
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 15: that eight and seven record. Everybody keeps saying that it's

990
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 15: due to the roster as much as it's due to Richardson.

991
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 15: My thing is, I think they made the right choice

992
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 15: because he does need to develop. Whether he's going to

993
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 15: or not, we don't know, So I agree with the

994
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 15: choice that they made. I only think I'm not so

995
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 15: sure they're going to pitch a sith your option up

996
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 15: because he's not going to have enough reps in for

997
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 15: them to make a decision like that, and that's going

998
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 15: to be a big decision. So I think he's probably

999
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 15: done here. I don't know for sure, but I do

1000
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 15: agree with the decision because he's just you know what,

1001
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 15: there's bookworms out there and there's athletes, and I've played

1002
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 15: with both, and the bookworms are very good on the

1003
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 15: sideline because they can hold the clipboard. They just can't

1004
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 15: play the game. Just because you can play the game

1005
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 15: don't mean you can hold the clipboard.

1006
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 2: And that's the thing done.

1007
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,439
Speaker 1: I think what happens here, I think what we see

1008
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: to this point, it's not his fault. It's goodwill hunting.

1009
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna look at Anthony Richardson to a great extent

1010
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: and we're gonna say it's not your fault, son, it's

1011
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: not your fault. It's not your fault, because it's not

1012
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson's fault that he was so athletically gifted that

1013
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: it allowed him to not have to go through all

1014
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: the progressions and reads and understanding of a quarterback. He

1015
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: didn't have to do those things. He didn't have to

1016
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: do those things for the better part of his career

1017
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: because he could just he fell out of bed and

1018
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: would rush for seven yards or throw for forty and

1019
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: so now you could certainly make the case, now it's

1020
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: not his fault that that never became a habit. You

1021
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: get what I'm saying with that, though, I mean, he

1022
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: is that athletically gifted, no question about it. And I

1023
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: think they failed him. I think they failed him by

1024
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: giving him the keys too early. Mike the bookie, Mike Man,

1025
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: How how are things in the bookiey business? Mike?

1026
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 11: All things are booming.

1027
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 18: Uh, it's never been.

1028
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 11: Changes are happening amongst us that we've never seen before

1029
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 11: here in Indiana. It's going to be a really good

1030
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 11: thing for Indiana once they get these uh these legal

1031
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 11: machines going in a lot of these fraternal clubs.

1032
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: So it's a it's a new day here, all right.

1033
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: Fair enough, your thoughts on the quarterback competition.

1034
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 11: Look, I've been saying this from day one. Why is

1035
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 11: it we can't have two quarterbacks? Where is it saying

1036
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 11: in the football Bible you got to play one quarterback

1037
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 11: all the time. If we could just switch them out,

1038
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 11: put Jones in, put ar in, put Jones in. Stike

1039
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 11: is supposed to be this quarterback whisper right, He's supposed

1040
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:51,919
Speaker 11: to be the best quarterback coach ever.

1041
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 8: Could you imagine if we ran out two quarterbacks like that.

1042
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: Mike, If you got two quarterbacks, you got none everybody.

1043
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: But here's the thing that that's a wheel that everybody's

1044
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: tried to reinvent.

1045
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 11: It never works, never works, But it's never been done.

1046
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: But that's been done, dude, It's been done here you kidding.

1047
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,439
Speaker 11: Well, not to the extent where you switch them off

1048
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 11: every other play, you know, where they get fifty STAPs

1049
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 11: and he gets fifty stabs.

1050
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: I think here's the thing, Mike, listen, and I get it,

1051
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: I mean kidding aside, and I appreciate the call. The

1052
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: problem with that is it it just does not allow

1053
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: any camaraderie or chemistry amongst like you're the rest of

1054
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: the roster, the line, the receivers, the running back, whether

1055
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: you agree to it or not, whether you admit it

1056
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: or not, whether you understand it or not. I don't

1057
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: mean you personally, Mike. It is different from one quarterback

1058
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: to the next in terms of just the rhythm of

1059
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: what guys have to do. Jason also been waiting patiently. Hi, Jason, Hey, Jake,

1060
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: how you doing all right?

1061
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 19: I heard Mike and he was going down the same road.

1062
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 19: I was a little bit. Here's the deal, he's not.

1063
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 19: Ar is not the franchise quarterback. They're taking the gloves

1064
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 19: off from them. I think you're going to see him

1065
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 19: in the wildcat here and there and just run them

1066
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 19: because that's what he's good at. And they're not afraid

1067
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 19: of him getting hurt. Because Daniel Jones is going to

1068
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 19: be the.

1069
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: Quarterfair that's a fair appointment.

1070
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 19: Yeah, that's fair, And it might and it might open

1071
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 19: up his passes and then he gets to a better

1072
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 19: look and drop some gumes then. But I'm bullish this year.

1073
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 19: I think I think Jones makes better decisions. He's a

1074
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 19: little bit more predictable. And if you can get Ar

1075
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 19: in there to just bulldoze on goal lines or other

1076
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 19: certain run situations and save Jones, I think it could

1077
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 19: work situationally.

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree, Jason, thanks for the call a situational

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree, but I do think that, you know,

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Speaker 1: going every other play, for example, almost impossible, now, Adell

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01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: means and I did that at Eastwood running plays in

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Speaker 1: as the guard. But that's different Todd. Todd, you're up.

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 14: Hey?

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01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 19: I go rapid fired here, Jake.

1086
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 18: I might have missed it earlier as genist cheer.

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Speaker 7: But one of the local guys put.

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Speaker 20: Out a hole on on X and there's like six

1089
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Speaker 20: thousand voats and it was ninety percent Richardson, which astonished me,

1090
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 20: to be honest with you. I don't know if it

1091
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 20: was Adams or Atkins or it was one of the

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01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 20: It wasn't one of the major guys that are linked

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01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 20: to a major media, but anyway, six thousand votes and

1094
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 20: ninety percent were favorite Richardson. Kind of surprise.

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Speaker 1: It's more upside Todd. That's the thing, right, I mean,

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01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: I think Richardson again, I go back to Richardson's the

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Speaker 1: guy that there's no doubt about the fact that if

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01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: they both hit their ceiling, you feel like you've seen

1099
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: the ceiling with Daniel Jones. But with Richardson, it's Jonathan Bender.

1100
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: You feel like they're You're like you're in You're totally

1101
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: fascinated and intrigued by what could be with him, but

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01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: you have to have repetition to get there, and his

1103
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: own lack of recognition cost him repetition. Steve, We're gonna

1104
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: flush these out. Steve, what's up? Run regular Steve? First

1105
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 1: Chiefs Fan Steve Next, Steve, what's up? Jake?

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01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 9: I hope you have a great time drinking paps in

1107
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 9: Milwaukee over the weekend. And yes, sir, do you think

1108
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 9: Anthony Richardson knows who Bobby Knight is?

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01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 1: Good question. I would say yes, but probably doesn't totally

1110
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Speaker 1: understand the legacy of Bob Knight.

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Speaker 9: My point is that I think in Anthony richards in

1112
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 9: the locker room, they should have that infamous Bob Knight

1113
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 9: quote about what happens when you sit on the bench,

1114
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 9: and Jake, maybe you could remind all of us through

1115
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 9: in Indianapolis what that quote is from Bobby Knight.

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01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 1: I'll clean it up from Bob Knight's standpoint, because Pat Knight,

1117
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 1: we know, is the one with the potty mouth, and

1118
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: then he said, blame my dad for it. But Bob

1119
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 1: Knight has often said that one of the greatest motivators

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Speaker 1: is the bench, because when you sit on the bench,

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01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: your butt sends a message to your brain. And the

1122
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 1: message to the brain is the bench is not very comfortable,

1123
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 1: and what do I need to do to get off

1124
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: of this? And then the brain says, you need to

1125
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 1: work better, you need to pay better attention. And as

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01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: a result of that, than butt decides that it no

1127
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: longer wants to be on the bench. Might be what

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01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 1: they're hoping for that Anthony Richardson gets that message. But

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01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 1: I believe Steve that this is the cult saying we

1130
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: have tried and tried and tried. I don't think that

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01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 1: this is necessarily one that they're like, hey, we're doing

1132
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 1: this again to try to send a message. I think

1133
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 1: they feel like the messages have all been sent. Chiefs Fan, Steve,

1134
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 1: what's up up?

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01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 21: Hey?

1136
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: Yes, how are we doing? Steve?

1137
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 22: They're good?

1138
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: Jacob yourself, Oh, can't complain, man, can't complain. A lot

1139
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: to talk about today.

1140
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Speaker 22: Well, one thing you got our mentioned is that Daniel

1141
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 22: Jones was a good quarterback when he had a good

1142
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 22: offensive line. The Colt's got a good line, got a

1143
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 22: good running back. They got a good running back, wide receivers,

1144
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 22: the goals got that. So you guys gotta just let's

1145
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 22: roll with this. Let's ought to be interesting.

1146
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: Ought to be interesting is the easiest way to say it. Steve,

1147
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 1: And listen, you're a Chiefs fan, so you know I

1148
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: mean you sat through. I just did a radio hit

1149
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 1: in Kansas City yesterday as a matter of fact, and said,

1150
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, Chiefs fans know about going waiting through. You know,

1151
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: Mark Vlastik and Elvis Gerback and Steve de Berg and

1152
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 1: all that goes into that before you finally landed on

1153
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 1: my homes and you strike gold. And the Colts were

1154
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 1: in a situation where drafting a franchise quarterback was pertinent,

1155
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 1: and they obviously, in that situation, they went with one.

1156
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: And it is my belief that what we saw today

1157
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: was the head coach indicting that decision and turning the page.

1158
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 1: And as I said earlier today, as I was driving

1159
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: down Capital on my way into work, I looked up

1160
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: at Lucas Oil Stadium. I saw DeForest Buckner, saw Jonathan Taylor,

1161
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 1: I saw Quentin Nelson, players in their prime. I didn't

1162
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 1: see a quarterback. I looked up at the JW. Marriott,

1163
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 1: I saw all those guys. I didn't see a quarterback.

1164
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 1: I saw photos of guys in their prime. And I

1165
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 1: looked up at Lucas Oil Stadium and noticed the roof

1166
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: was closed, and I realized that the window in terms

1167
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 1: of the prime of those players is also closing. Maybe

1168
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 1: not this season, but you only have a window for

1169
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 1: so long, and that windows closing, and in my opinion,

1170
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 1: the time for Anthony Richardson in this town just closed

1171
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: as well with this decision today, and that's where we are.

1172
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 1: Scott Agnes will join us talk a little Fever. We'll

1173
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: get the latest on Sophie Cunningham, and Stephen Holder joins

1174
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 1: us an hour from now, who of course was on

1175
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 1: top of this news from the get go in terms

1176
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: of Daniel Jones being named the starter in Indianapolis. We

1177
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 1: will get back plenty in the second half of the

1178
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: show into the Anthony Richardson Daniel Jones conversation. We'll let

1179
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 1: you hear a little bit more from Shane Steichen as well.

1180
01:06:56,320 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 1: Scott Agnes joins us now from Fieldhouse Files. Obviously, the

1181
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: Fever in the midst of it right now interesting because

1182
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 1: they are getting set to close with nine games to

1183
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 1: finish the regular season, the first two of those against

1184
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: the best team in the WNBA, Minnesota, and then another

1185
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 1: battle with the Links to finish things out, so one

1186
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: third of their remaining schedule against Minnesota. Stephanie White, by

1187
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: the way, I believe tomorrow or Thursday will join the show, Scott,

1188
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 1: before we get to the talk about the fever and

1189
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: for that matter, of the news about Rick Carlisle today,

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01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 1: your thoughts on Daniel Jones being named the starter in

1191
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 1: Indianapolis over Anthony Richardson.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, it's a tough call, Jake, just because of the

1193
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 21: fact how much you have invested in, how much you

1194
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 21: want for that to ultimately work out. The reality is,

1195
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 21: it just seems like there's been too many missteps and

1196
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 21: things not go his way that it almost feels like

1197
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 21: they're giving him the patience he's needed. But it feels

1198
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 21: a couple years too late.

1199
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I it just feels like Stiching with this decision,

1200
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: has said enough. And you know, Anthony Richardson to me, Scott,

1201
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: you know you covered the Pacers for a long time,

1202
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 1: so you'll understand this analogy. But Anthony Richardson to me,

1203
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 1: is kind of Jonathan Bender and the fact that he

1204
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: is a physical, you know unicorn that is so intriguing

1205
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 1: on what the ceiling is. But eventually you just had

1206
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: to turn the page because of the lack of availability

1207
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 1: at no fault of his because of the body. Right, Yeah,

1208
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: that's fair.

1209
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 21: Injuries just keep getting in the way, and I mean,

1210
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 21: much like the Fever had with their latest injury over

1211
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 21: the weekend. It's here we go again. That's what it

1212
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 21: felt like. I think when Anthony Richardson took his first

1213
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 21: naps and got injured in that what first or second

1214
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 21: series in the preseason, It's like, seriously, can we not

1215
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:51,600
Speaker 21: move beyond this and then truly evaluate you on a

1216
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:52,680
Speaker 21: football standpoint.

1217
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 1: And so.

1218
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Speaker 21: I don't think this rules him out or anything, you know,

1219
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 21: injuries or something's going to happen. He's gonna get an

1220
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 21: opportunity this year. It's just it feels like the decision's

1221
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 21: got to be made right about his future with an

1222
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 21: extension or picking up his option rather, I think here soon,

1223
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 21: and so everyone inside that locker room knows, and I

1224
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 21: think this is stich in making it public.

1225
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,679
Speaker 1: Okay, Scott, let's get to the Fever here Sophie Cunningham.

1226
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:24,440
Speaker 1: We know the injury MRI took place yesterday. My apologies

1227
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 1: for being naive to this. Do we know any more

1228
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 1: today than we did yesterday? No, not just jet.

1229
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 21: I'm expecting an update to come here later on this afternoon.

1230
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 21: But it was clearly a right knee injury. It did

1231
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 21: not appear to be your traditional acl but it's something

1232
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 21: that I mean, Stephanie White got emotional about it. Postgame

1233
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 21: players were like, yes, here we go again, and so

1234
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 21: I think they're fully prepared for her to miss time

1235
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 21: here and so look, the challenge becomes you're going on

1236
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 21: your fifth true point guard essentially. Now, Odyssey Simms has

1237
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 21: stepped up nicely in the last game started played more

1238
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 21: minutes than anyone. But when the first three went out

1239
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 21: with Sophie Cunningham who slid out of position to run

1240
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 21: point and now she's going to miss time.

1241
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 1: Do you think Scott that it will be difficult? Okay, Actually,

1242
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: let me back that up to this question. Do you

1243
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 1: believe that Sophie Cunningham's timeline of games potentially missed impacts

1244
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 1: the timeline of return for Caitlyn Clark?

1245
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 21: No, absolutely do not.

1246
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 1: Okay, So when Kitlyn Clark returns and you anticipate that

1247
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:29,679
Speaker 1: that will happen before the end of the regular season.

1248
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 1: Am I correcting that?

1249
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 21: I think the hope, the goal, the focus remains by

1250
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 21: the end of this month. I think the best case

1251
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 21: scenario nothing official. These are just what I am having

1252
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:45,640
Speaker 21: conversations with people. I think best case scenario, Jake, is

1253
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:49,600
Speaker 21: for her to resume practicing with this team by the

1254
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 21: end of this week.

1255
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 1: Okay, when Kitling Clark returns, will it be an adjustment

1256
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: for players to reacclimate to the pace and tempo that

1257
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 1: she will want to play.

1258
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 21: Over until Aery McDonald's latest injury, I probably would have

1259
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:10,640
Speaker 21: said no, just because Aerry had been fantastic and in

1260
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 21: keeping what they had established early on so much. I

1261
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 21: love the question because that's what we saw the first month,

1262
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 21: month and a half of the season, when she was

1263
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 21: in and out and in and out, and there was

1264
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 21: just such a dramatic roller coaster like feeling the season

1265
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 21: that has been full of disruption. But I do think

1266
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 21: there will be a slight adjustment. The other side of

1267
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:32,639
Speaker 21: it is, forget whatever adjustment it is. You're bringing back

1268
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 21: one of the best players in the league, and this

1269
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,719
Speaker 21: team at this juncture because of all these injuries, needs

1270
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 21: all the help that it can get.

1271
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:43,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing, you know, Caitlin Clark is undoubtedly,

1272
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:46,679
Speaker 1: undoubtedly the straw mixing the drink when she's on the floor.

1273
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you Scott and Stephanie White, I think

1274
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 1: it challenges the wrong word. But I think they have

1275
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 1: played well. You know, Kelsey Mitchell for example, has played

1276
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 1: really well. A Leah Boston when they've had to kind

1277
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 1: of rely on that offensive least played really well. And

1278
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:05,799
Speaker 1: finding the balance of that and having Kitlin Clark continue

1279
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 1: to be a facilitator, I think they're better off when

1280
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark, who's a dynamic score, don't get me wrong,

1281
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:14,680
Speaker 1: but when she is serving as facilitator first. I think

1282
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 1: we've seen the development around her now for that to

1283
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,799
Speaker 1: be the primary role for Kitlyn Clark. Do you agree

1284
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:22,560
Speaker 1: or disagree?

1285
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 21: I agree with the ball in her hands facilitating absolutely.

1286
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 21: And she even said in her first question after being drafted,

1287
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,639
Speaker 21: what's the thing we know you're shooting, what's the thing

1288
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 21: you're excited for everyone to see? It was their passing,

1289
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 21: it's her vision, it's her setting each other up. And

1290
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 21: then from that, by the way, that should open things

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Speaker 21: up even.

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Speaker 5: More for her.

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Speaker 21: So yeah, absolutely, with the ball in her hand, playing

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Speaker 21: that fast paced, trying to become that number one team

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01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 21: in transition like they were, when she is out there

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Speaker 21: and then the points will come.

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Speaker 1: We know that it's.

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Speaker 21: When she's forcing it, maybe early in the game, like

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Speaker 21: I need to get shots up, I need to get

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Speaker 21: shots up. That for the most part, I think they're

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Speaker 21: better off going to the style in which you referenced, Scott.

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Speaker 1: Also happening today on the other side of the building

1303
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:12,719
Speaker 1: at Pace for Sports Entertainment is that of Rick Carlile

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01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 1: getting an extension. I don't know that we know the

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01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 1: terms or the length of set extension, but was that

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01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 1: something that we anticipated in terms of an announcement or

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01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:22,719
Speaker 1: did it just kind of organically happen.

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01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 21: I think that just kind of organically happened. It's one

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01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 21: of the last items of business that you look to,

1310
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 21: specially coming off the best season in NBA franchise history.

1311
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 21: It's something you reevaluate. And this is now the third

1312
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 21: contract in this latest stint that Rick Carlisle has gotten.

1313
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:42,679
Speaker 21: The first one was for him, it got him back here.

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01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 21: Notably that one we knew the terms of being about

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01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 21: seven and a half million.

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01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 1: Dollars per year over four years.

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Speaker 21: Well now, two years ago in October, right before the season,

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01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,799
Speaker 21: a little later than right now, he got another extension

1319
01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 21: And what he really was proud about that one is

1320
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 21: was it also gave an extension and a pay raise

1321
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 21: to his assistance, which he has valued to the coaches

1322
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 21: right one hundred percent, especially for the face of coaches

1323
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:12,640
Speaker 21: in this league. Right he's led the Coaches Association for

1324
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 21: twenty years. This is his last year doing that. He

1325
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 21: said it's time to pass the torch and all of that,

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01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 21: and quite frankly, it's probably a job most don't want

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01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 21: to do. Probably a lot of calls, a lot of

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01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 21: busy work, but it's something he's embraced and willingly taken

1329
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 21: on as the face of coaches throughout the league. And

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01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 21: among the many things they've done is I think retirement benefits,

1331
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 21: maybe health benefits, little things like that that go a

1332
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 21: long way with these assistant coaches who just grind out

1333
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,639
Speaker 21: tape and work with these players out on the floor.

1334
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 21: So more than maybe even his years and his money,

1335
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:48,720
Speaker 21: I'm curious did directly reflect his coaching staff as well.

1336
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 21: Did they also get extensions to come along with that,

1337
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 21: And that's something we'll hopefully find out here soon.

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01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 1: Okay, Scott, to go back to the original point though,

1339
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 1: Sophie Cunningham, you know, we would expect some sort of

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01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 1: new news when and has there been any offering whatsoever

1341
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 1: of hint as to what this timeline could be in

1342
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:07,799
Speaker 1: terms of the injury.

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01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 21: No, no firm update. Got an MRI on Monday once

1344
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 21: the team got back to town. I'm expecting one here this afternoon,

1345
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:21,679
Speaker 21: and I yeah, I don't expect her to play anytime soon,

1346
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 21: but we don't. We don't have anything just yet. But

1347
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 21: you could just tell the look on her face, the

1348
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 21: pain that she was in, her sister coming to her

1349
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 21: defense right away.

1350
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 1: I hate to say this, Scott, but the angle as well, right,

1351
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 1: I mean this kind of that side shot to the

1352
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 1: knee angle typically is one that it harpens you back.

1353
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 1: You just look at it and you can anticipate that

1354
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:43,599
Speaker 1: it's probably gonna be wild awesome.

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01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:45,719
Speaker 21: Yeah, it was that nasty collision, and now you're dealing

1356
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 21: with ligaments and tendons, and that's where that MRI you

1357
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 21: really need to get the full scope of what that

1358
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 21: need just went through.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Scott agnesfield House Files appreciated as always. Man. Absolutely

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01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 1: thanks Jay Scott Agnes joining us on the program We

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01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:02,679
Speaker 1: come back. Yes, In fact, there was a major decision

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01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 1: regarding the quarterback situation for the Colts. There was also

1363
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:10,680
Speaker 1: a big decision regarding the quarterback position and situation for

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01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 1: another very prominent team that many of you follow. I'll

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01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 1: tell you who and what next fourteen minutes before the

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01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:26,639
Speaker 1: hour of two o'clock. Daniel Jones is your starter Week

1367
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 1: one for the Indianapolis Colts. I am so smart and

1368
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 1: so prepared. I was a Cub scout and then a

1369
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 1: we blow we blow stands for we be loyal scouts,

1370
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 1: but Cub Scouts. The motto was be prepared and I'm

1371
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 1: always prepared. Were you a Cub Scout?

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Speaker 2: Eddie Negative ghost writer?

1373
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 1: I was going into the Sullivan Hardware shout out Pat

1374
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 1: Sullivan and my buddy Freddie b at forty nine to

1375
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 1: Penn on Sunday, And as I was walking in, there

1376
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 1: was a table set up and there was a very

1377
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 1: nice boy scout selling pop corn. And I walked in

1378
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 1: and I looked over and he's got the popcorn laid

1379
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:07,600
Speaker 1: out and he's sitting under a tent with he and

1380
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 1: his mom, and as I was walking, he stood. He

1381
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 1: stood up as I was passing the tent so that

1382
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 1: he would be standing like at attention as I passed,

1383
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 1: and then asked if I wanted to buy popcorn? And

1384
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 1: I said, well, how much is the popcorn? And he

1385
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 1: laid out the prices and the bag of white cheddar

1386
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 1: popcorn one bag of popcorn twenty bucks and I said, well,

1387
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 1: that's that's some pretty hefty camping you guys are doing.

1388
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,640
Speaker 1: And he said, well, it is very good popcorn. So

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01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:38,679
Speaker 1: I bought the popcorn from the kid strictly because I

1390
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 1: and he said he's an eighth grader at Northfew Middle School.

1391
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 1: Didn't catch his name, but he was his attention to

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01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 1: detail and just like the respect. First off, I respected

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01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: that he was out there, you know, selling the popcorn.

1394
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:58,680
Speaker 1: And the fact that he he was so mature in

1395
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 1: his presentation is where I was like, you know what,

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01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to buy this popcorn. So I did. But

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01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 1: I've always been a guy that's prepared. So because of

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01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,640
Speaker 1: my preparation, I have before me on the on the

1399
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 1: wall here, I put up the colts schedule, so that

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01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 1: in any time that somebody mentions that I can just boom,

1401
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 1: look over and out of being it's right there on

1402
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 1: the wall, Dolphins, Broncos, Titans. I mean, I got it

1403
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 1: right here in front of me, right. And we now

1404
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 1: know that in all of those games, barring some sort

1405
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 1: of an injury, that it is intended by Shane Stiken,

1406
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:31,680
Speaker 1: that Daniel Jones will be the starter. And it is

1407
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 1: not a short leash. Now that's partially because Daniel Jones

1408
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 1: was like that boy scout. Shane Stiken, I think liked

1409
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,680
Speaker 1: the fact that he felt that Daniel Jones was just

1410
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:49,680
Speaker 1: the more polished and the more mature in that situation.

1411
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:52,560
Speaker 1: But he's not the only quarterback Daniel Jones to be

1412
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 1: named a starter in the state of Indiana, because Notre Dame,

1413
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 1: that's right, has named their starter and in its red

1414
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:01,639
Speaker 1: shirt freshman CJ.

1415
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 10: Carr.

1416
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 1: His grandfather is Lloyd Carr, of course, the former Michigan coach,

1417
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:08,839
Speaker 1: but he beat out Kenny mentioned He for the position,

1418
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 1: and Notre Dame now has and I think it's going

1419
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 1: to be I'm going to look in this camera and

1420
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 1: say this, You're gonna smile into your little nod wink thing.

1421
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:21,719
Speaker 2: It's a little creepy.

1422
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 1: Hi there, my name is Jake Querry.

1423
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 2: Hello, Jake.

1424
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 1: I host a midday radio show in ninety three five

1425
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 1: and one zero seven to five The Fan.

1426
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:29,679
Speaker 2: I produced a Quaryan company show.

1427
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:31,640
Speaker 1: Called Quarry and Company, in which Eddie Garrison is the

1428
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 1: president of the company. That is me. I grew up

1429
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, Indiana, and as a result of that, my

1430
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 1: favorite athletic team for the better part of my childhood

1431
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 1: was the Indiana University Basketball Hoosiers of Bob Knight. Because

1432
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 1: when you grew up in Bob Knights, Indiana and born

1433
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy two, that's the team you root for.

1434
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 1: And as a result of that, I became somewhat an

1435
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:56,759
Speaker 1: Indiana football fan as well. But they were awful. Yeah.

1436
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 1: I saw Babe Lathenburg, I saw Steve I remember, Dave Chanelle,

1437
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 1: Antoine raindall L, Antoine Rayinde l saw the Chris Diddo

1438
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 1: game against Penn State and Ohio State. You know, listen.

1439
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 1: I saw some glimpses here and there, but it was

1440
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 1: rough being an Indiana football fan. But when you grew

1441
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 1: up in Indiana during the time period that I did,

1442
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 1: you loved Indiana basketball, and you either loved or hated

1443
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:30,680
Speaker 1: Notre Dame football. There was no one between. There was

1444
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 1: no yah, They're okay, there was no take it or

1445
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 1: leave it. You loved or hated Notre Dame and I

1446
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 1: hated him. And I know that that offends a lot

1447
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:43,799
Speaker 1: of you. I know that reverberates a shock in awe

1448
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 1: to many of you, especially many of you my North

1449
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 1: Side friends that lived near IHM. Your kids go to

1450
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 1: Shatar or Cathedral. I get it, you love Notre Dame.

1451
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 1: But part of why you love Notre Dame is because

1452
01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 1: of the fun, the thrill, and the joy and the

1453
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 1: respect that comes with the fact that people either love

1454
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 1: them or hate them. When I say hate, I don't

1455
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 1: actually legitimately hate. You get what I'm saying. But that

1456
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:14,760
Speaker 1: is the benefit that comes with the territory. That polarization

1457
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 1: is symbolic of being one of the most historic franchises

1458
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 1: in college football history. And I don't like Marcus Freeman.

1459
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 1: I don't like Marcus Freeman is because he's just so

1460
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 1: damn handsome. Here's why I don't like Marcus Freeman, the

1461
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 1: good looking man. I don't like Marcus Freeman because my

1462
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 1: college football team. I mean, growing up, like I said,

1463
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 1: I rooted for Indiana but they were terrible. But I

1464
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 1: became a Clemson fan at a young age and that

1465
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 1: was truly my football am I reversible jacket guy. I

1466
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:58,760
Speaker 1: don't know, because during my IU basketball fandom, sociopathic fan era,

1467
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:01,640
Speaker 1: that was like the own only sport and team that

1468
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:03,640
Speaker 1: I was all in on that in the Pacers. So

1469
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 1: I was a basketball guy right And then in my

1470
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 1: late teens and early twenties is when I really got

1471
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 1: into Clemson. And I've been a Clemson fan now for

1472
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 1: you know, some thirty years. But and Clemson now has

1473
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 1: kind of a rivalry of Notre Dame a little bit,

1474
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 1: if you want to call it that. But I didn't

1475
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 1: like anything about Notre Dame. I went up as a

1476
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 1: kid with my friends that went to Saint Pias and

1477
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 1: we did a field trip where we went up to

1478
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 1: Notre Dame's campus and I bought a little fight song

1479
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 1: thing that played the fight song and I tried to

1480
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 1: kind of get into him. And you know, David Rivers

1481
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 1: was fun to watch, but I didn't like Dicker Phelps

1482
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 1: and the highlighter and all that, and I didn't like

1483
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 1: Notre Dame didn't like him, and as an adult, as

1484
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 1: a Clemson fan, big time games against Notre Dame over

1485
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. Don't like Notre Dame. I

1486
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 1: don't like the little leprechaun running around. I don't like

1487
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 1: the dancing Irish music they do. I don't like any

1488
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 1: of it, and I don't I just ask that you

1489
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 1: run for And I don't like Marcus Freeman. And the

1490
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 1: reason I don't like Marcus Freeman is because I want

1491
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 1: to dislike everything about Notre Dame and I like the guy.

1492
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:26,599
Speaker 1: I like the guy. He seems like a cool dude.

1493
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:29,639
Speaker 1: He seems like a like a coach that you would

1494
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:31,479
Speaker 1: want to send your kid to play for. He's got

1495
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:37,639
Speaker 1: a nice, young looking family. His team is they play

1496
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 1: disciplined football. They don't seem dirty, they don't seem arrogant.

1497
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:48,559
Speaker 1: They're very likable, and I want to hate them because

1498
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 1: I've always hated them, and he's making them likable and

1499
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 1: it's making me mad, not to the point where I'm

1500
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:57,599
Speaker 1: necessarily hoping that this decision to go with CJ. Carrett

1501
01:23:57,680 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 1: quarterback is going to make them like the elite of

1502
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 1: the and win the national title. Let's not get ahead

1503
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 1: of ourselves, but I do. I got a ton of

1504
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 1: respect for the guy. And last year during the college

1505
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:10,559
Speaker 1: football it was wonderful. One of the great when I

1506
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 1: look back on the year twenty twenty five, was the

1507
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:22,640
Speaker 1: Notre Dame Indiana game in December or January? It was

1508
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 1: in January, was it not? I believe so either way.

1509
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 1: When I left back on the last year, the last

1510
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 1: twelve months, one of the most surreal but also enjoyable

1511
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 1: things was going and watching that Notre Dame Indiana playoff game.

1512
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 1: We went to Kilroy's and broad Upot to watch it.

1513
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 1: Shannon's like Shannon, Shannon didn't go to college, so she

1514
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 1: always has enjoyed kind of seeing what that college experience

1515
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:52,720
Speaker 1: is like. And she'll tell you. She'd be like, you know,

1516
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 1: I didn't go to She she moved from Denver to

1517
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:57,800
Speaker 1: Indianapolis at the age of nineteen and just immediately got

1518
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:01,720
Speaker 1: into the workforce, and so that, you know, we go

1519
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:03,600
Speaker 1: back to things so she can kind of experience it,

1520
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 1: and she's like, I just want to see what it's like.

1521
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 1: So we went to kill Roy's when Indiana Notre Dame

1522
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 1: were playing in the atmosphere was great. It was fun.

1523
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 1: But sitting there watching this game knowing that it was

1524
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 1: the college football playoffs and Indiana was in it was

1525
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 1: totally bizarre and surreal. But man, it was so much fun.

1526
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 1: It was awesome. And I saw yesterday. I assume this

1527
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:31,440
Speaker 1: is correct, but I had read yesterday that Indiana University

1528
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:39,679
Speaker 1: this past fall had seventy three thousand applicants. Seventy three

1529
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:43,839
Speaker 1: thousand applicants, and I believe that maybe the highest enrollment

1530
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 1: application total in the history of the university. And many

1531
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 1: people attribute that to the profile that came from college

1532
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:56,759
Speaker 1: football and putting Indiana in that and I'm like, yeah,

1533
01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 1: that's why Dabos Sweeney makes eleven million a year. That's

1534
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 1: why Nick Saban made fifteen million a year. That's why

1535
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:07,799
Speaker 1: Ryan Day makes whatever million a year. The Clemson campus,

1536
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 1: not to turn it into a Clemson conversation, but only

1537
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 1: to illustrate my point. I've been going to Clemson football

1538
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 1: games now for more than you know, I don't know,

1539
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:17,840
Speaker 1: the better part of a decade decade and a half,

1540
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:20,600
Speaker 1: and that campus. The first time I went on the

1541
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:25,680
Speaker 1: Clemson campus was two thousand and six, probably, and it

1542
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:28,720
Speaker 1: was your typical just college campus. Dorms, whatever else. I

1543
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:30,880
Speaker 1: park in the same spot. I'm a creature. Habits park

1544
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 1: in the same spot every game, walk down Tiger Boulevard, there,

1545
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 1: Main Street, you know whatever. And literally over the years,

1546
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 1: I've seen it change and all of a sudden, now

1547
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:47,920
Speaker 1: you've got these brownstone no longer like dorms or like

1548
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 1: ratty apartments, but these beautiful brownstones that look like you're

1549
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, New York, Brooklean as we call it, or Wrigleyville, Chicago.

1550
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 1: And the campus itself had this all of a sudden.

1551
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:02,679
Speaker 1: Instead of kids driving like you know, broken down eighty

1552
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 1: three or you know, ninety three whatever, twenty year old cars,

1553
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:10,880
Speaker 1: you see all these kids driving SUVs, you know, Mercedes

1554
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 1: SUVs and everything else. Because the wealthy money, primarily from

1555
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:17,679
Speaker 1: the East Coast is what Clemson became an IT school

1556
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 1: and more and more kids are applying there, and so

1557
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:23,679
Speaker 1: you're getting more selective and who can go to school there.

1558
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 1: And that's because they started seeing night games for their

1559
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:31,680
Speaker 1: football team and it became an IT school. Alabama is

1560
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 1: an IT school. In the early nineties when I was

1561
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 1: in school, Arizona became an IT school because their basketball

1562
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 1: program was featured all the time on national television and

1563
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 1: you're like, man, that looks like an awesome place to

1564
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 1: go to. School. Athletics facilitates that, and that's why when

1565
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 1: people talk about coaches and nil money and everything else

1566
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:58,560
Speaker 1: and athletes getting paid and whatever, they what these programs

1567
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 1: are doing to elevate these schools is you can't put

1568
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 1: a price tag on it. Notre Dame doesn't need that.

1569
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 1: It's one of the most prestigious universities in the country,

1570
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 1: and it also has the religious affiliation that makes it

1571
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:14,599
Speaker 1: a national not Indiana, but a national brand. But it

1572
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 1: was super cool to see their march last year, to

1573
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 1: see their run, and Marcus Freeman made it enjoyable because

1574
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 1: he is a guy that you want to root for.

1575
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 1: And that's why I don't like him, because I don't

1576
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 1: want to like Notre Dame the Big News earlier today

1577
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 1: though Daniel Jones over Richardson, we get into that full

1578
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:34,799
Speaker 1: force and back to your reaction to it as well,

1579
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 1: I promise at two three, nine ten seventy Steven Holder

1580
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 1: bottom of the hour coming up. What let me recap

1581
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 1: for you the way the show and the day began

1582
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 1: started out like it was going to be just any

1583
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 1: other Tuesday. To be honest with you, Stephen Holder was

1584
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 1: going to join us in the program. He is still

1585
01:28:56,400 --> 01:29:03,400
Speaker 1: set to do so in about thirty minutes, but we

1586
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 1: knew this decision was coming sooner rather than later. And

1587
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:14,640
Speaker 1: I will admit, and I will look right here in

1588
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:16,960
Speaker 1: this camera on YouTube. I will say it over these

1589
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 1: airwaves to all of you. I will admit that I

1590
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:25,360
Speaker 1: have flip flopped like the goldfish at the end of

1591
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 1: the faith no more video dated reference. I said when

1592
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:36,760
Speaker 1: they signed him that Daniel Jones was going to be

1593
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:43,839
Speaker 1: the starter for the Colts, and then when Richardson missed

1594
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:46,599
Speaker 1: the OTA and they said that that wouldn't be a factor,

1595
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:51,960
Speaker 1: and then I started watching him play. I thought the

1596
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:56,120
Speaker 1: ceiling is higher for Richardson, and as a result, I

1597
01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 1: think that's who it's going to be, because Jones didn't

1598
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 1: do anything to separate himself. And in that situation, I

1599
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:06,760
Speaker 1: had said that the tie goes to the incumbent, and

1600
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 1: that would be Richardson, and I really did believe that,

1601
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:14,559
Speaker 1: and I said it numerous times. The tie goes to

1602
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:19,719
Speaker 1: the incumbent. But the more that you listened to Shane

1603
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 1: Steikeen and I started to hedge a little bit, because

1604
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 1: the more I listened to Shane Steikeen, the more it

1605
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 1: seemed to me that Shane Steikin was trying to tell

1606
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 1: us something with explanation with each time that he was deciphering.

1607
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:39,320
Speaker 4: It's everything right, the operation, the communication in the huddle,

1608
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 4: the checks, getting guys on the same page, the consistency

1609
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:44,800
Speaker 4: of all that. Obviously he's going to play a big

1610
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:45,240
Speaker 4: factor in this.

1611
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 1: He was telling us something. He was saying, not so fast,

1612
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:53,160
Speaker 1: my friend, This is not the dunk that you think

1613
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:55,800
Speaker 1: it is. Just because Richardson has a better arm, just

1614
01:30:55,840 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 1: because Richardson's faster, just because Richardson can tantalize you with

1615
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:06,840
Speaker 1: his versatility. It seemed as though Shane Steichen, each time

1616
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 1: he was asked about it, not only seemed to pull

1617
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:16,799
Speaker 1: away a little bit from Richardson, but rather hint towards Jones.

1618
01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:21,679
Speaker 1: And then today the announcement came.

1619
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:24,920
Speaker 4: All right, I'll start off by opening letting everyone know

1620
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 4: that Daniel Jones would be our starting quarterback this season.

1621
01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:31,680
Speaker 4: I thought the competition in training camp was great by

1622
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:32,519
Speaker 4: both of those guys.

1623
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:34,400
Speaker 5: I thought they both competed.

1624
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:37,040
Speaker 4: Really hard and it was good to see them cheering

1625
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 4: for each other and battling the way they did. And

1626
01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:42,639
Speaker 4: you guys heard me talk about the consistency, and that's

1627
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:45,440
Speaker 4: really what I was looking for, and really the operation

1628
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:49,880
Speaker 4: at the line of scrimmage, the checks, the protection, the

1629
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:53,639
Speaker 4: ball placement, the completion percentage. I think all that played

1630
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:56,920
Speaker 4: a factor in it. I think Daniel did a great

1631
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:59,679
Speaker 4: job doing that, and I think Ar has made strides

1632
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:01,640
Speaker 4: in that. But I do feel that, you know, he

1633
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 4: still needs to continue to develop in those areas. And

1634
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 4: had a chance to talk to both of them this morning.

1635
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:12,479
Speaker 4: They're both great, and Ar was great. He knows that

1636
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:15,839
Speaker 4: he still needs to develop and learn in those areas,

1637
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:17,799
Speaker 4: and he knows that he's one play away.

1638
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 5: Let those guys know, let the team know. This morning.

1639
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:24,840
Speaker 4: Team's very supportive of Daniel, but also supportive of Ar

1640
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:26,800
Speaker 4: in his new role, and he's got to attack it

1641
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:29,519
Speaker 4: the right way and then we'll go from there.

1642
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:35,960
Speaker 1: Okay, when he says that he is one play away,

1643
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:38,120
Speaker 1: he doesn't mean that it's that close for Richardson. What

1644
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:40,600
Speaker 1: he means there is that he is one injury or

1645
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 1: one miss you away from when I say miss you.

1646
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:46,160
Speaker 1: Stikeen later went on to say he does not want

1647
01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:48,840
Speaker 1: this to be a short leash. Jones is your quarterback.

1648
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:51,160
Speaker 1: When he says one play away, he means an injury

1649
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:53,040
Speaker 1: away from having to go back into the game, meaning

1650
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:57,519
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson. But very clearly Stikeen was saying there there

1651
01:32:57,560 --> 01:33:02,720
Speaker 1: is still room for growth for Anthony Richardson. Anthony Richardson

1652
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:06,919
Speaker 1: had a play against Green Bay. He wasn't playing against starters.

1653
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:11,920
Speaker 1: He made a really good throw. He completed eight to

1654
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 1: fourteen passes in the preseason for ninety four yards. But

1655
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:17,400
Speaker 1: he had one play that was a beautiful ball, put

1656
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:20,599
Speaker 1: it right in the bread basket, and one of those

1657
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:22,840
Speaker 1: throws that like when you're in golf and you hit

1658
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:25,519
Speaker 1: a shot that brings you back for more. He had

1659
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 1: a beautiful play. But sometimes there's more to something than

1660
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:34,479
Speaker 1: what you see on the surface. And the play where

1661
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:38,519
Speaker 1: Richardson threw that perfect pass right where it needed to be.

1662
01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:44,200
Speaker 1: If you look at it, he had a back and

1663
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:46,040
Speaker 1: I think it was Giddens might have been good. Somebody

1664
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:47,720
Speaker 1: I think it was Giddins, Eddie pointed out, but he

1665
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:53,360
Speaker 1: had a back open and while the beautifully thrown ball

1666
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 1: sliced right through the defense, put it right where only

1667
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 1: the receiver can get to it, just a beautiful ball.

1668
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 1: It was an unnecessary risk because he had a back

1669
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:08,960
Speaker 1: out of the backfield wide open, in an open space

1670
01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:12,160
Speaker 1: with nothing but real estate in front of him, and

1671
01:34:12,200 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 1: that should have been, say, his second option, but he

1672
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:21,439
Speaker 1: didn't go through all of his reads. He took the

1673
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 1: bigger risk and it paid off that time. But for

1674
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:28,160
Speaker 1: a guy that has been careless in turning the football over,

1675
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:31,560
Speaker 1: you need to see progress, especially against a second or

1676
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:35,080
Speaker 1: third defense, because that perfectly thrown ball that he made

1677
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:38,320
Speaker 1: against Green Bay against third stringers probably picked off in

1678
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:41,439
Speaker 1: the regular season and it didn't have to be thrown

1679
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:43,920
Speaker 1: even though he even though he did exactly what he

1680
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:45,840
Speaker 1: needed to do in putting the ball where it needed

1681
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:50,000
Speaker 1: to go, it was an unnecessary risk and football oftentimes

1682
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:56,640
Speaker 1: is about limiting your risks, and then you have the

1683
01:34:56,680 --> 01:35:02,240
Speaker 1: situation beyond that I'm talking about. Every time that Shane

1684
01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 1: Stikeen was asked about it, he kept pointing out that

1685
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 1: it's more than just what you see in the stats.

1686
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:11,400
Speaker 1: It's more than just putting the football where it needs

1687
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:13,639
Speaker 1: to be. It's more than just being able to throw

1688
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:15,599
Speaker 1: off your back foot sixty five yards in the air.

1689
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:17,880
Speaker 1: It's more than just being able to turn a two

1690
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:22,080
Speaker 1: yard broken play into a six yard run. It's about

1691
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:26,679
Speaker 1: what happens inside the building, what happens in the locker room,

1692
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:28,679
Speaker 1: what happens in the in the meeting room, what happens

1693
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:32,840
Speaker 1: in the huddle, and we don't know those things, and

1694
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:36,720
Speaker 1: Shane Steiken is the man that's been hired to decipher

1695
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:42,640
Speaker 1: those things, and in that there's something that either is

1696
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:48,080
Speaker 1: there or not there that he wasn't comfortable with, so

1697
01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 1: he went with Daniel Jones. Now, I'm going to repeat

1698
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:54,040
Speaker 1: what I said and what I was thinking about on

1699
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:55,960
Speaker 1: my way in as all of this went down, because

1700
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:59,720
Speaker 1: this news came out probably forty five minutes before him

1701
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:05,000
Speaker 1: driving to work, and as I'm driving into work, I'm

1702
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:08,840
Speaker 1: going to use the same illustration I did earlier. I'm

1703
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:13,240
Speaker 1: driving down Capitol and I'm driving down Capitol and I'm

1704
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:15,679
Speaker 1: thinking about this news that Daniel Jones is your starter,

1705
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:20,920
Speaker 1: and I'm driving down and I'm thinking about the fact

1706
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:24,920
Speaker 1: that Shane Steiken was hired in February of twenty twenty three,

1707
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:28,599
Speaker 1: knowing that the Indianapolis Colts were about to hire him

1708
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:30,960
Speaker 1: for his dream job for the first time as a

1709
01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:33,360
Speaker 1: coach in the NFL and they likely are going to

1710
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:38,080
Speaker 1: be drafting a quarterback to go with him. And yes,

1711
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:42,360
Speaker 1: you could, certainly, and it is a very plausible and

1712
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:46,680
Speaker 1: understandable standpoint to have that Shane Steiken would have, as

1713
01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:51,759
Speaker 1: a result of that, been completely on board with whatever

1714
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:55,840
Speaker 1: quarterback they went with. So Shane Stikeen is hired in

1715
01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:59,040
Speaker 1: February twenty three and in April, two months later, they're

1716
01:36:59,120 --> 01:37:05,839
Speaker 1: drafting a quarterback. And yes, theoretically Shane Steiken has voice

1717
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:09,519
Speaker 1: in that, but does he? Because when you're going through

1718
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:12,759
Speaker 1: a job interview process of trying to land your dream job,

1719
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:15,240
Speaker 1: one of which there's only thirty two of them in America,

1720
01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:18,160
Speaker 1: in the world, and you have an opportunity to land

1721
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:21,639
Speaker 1: one of them for that first couple of months, aren't

1722
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:24,320
Speaker 1: you going to kind of just go along with whatever

1723
01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 1: the boss says, Hey, we'd like for you to be

1724
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:31,960
Speaker 1: the manager of this car wash, and you've always dreamed

1725
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:33,559
Speaker 1: to be in the manager of this car wash, and

1726
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:36,439
Speaker 1: there's only there are only thirty two car washes in

1727
01:37:36,479 --> 01:37:38,160
Speaker 1: the United States of America. We want you to be

1728
01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:41,760
Speaker 1: the manager. But actually, what we were looking for as

1729
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:44,400
Speaker 1: a manager that not only is willing to work seventy

1730
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:46,280
Speaker 1: five hours a week, but is also willing to wax

1731
01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:51,120
Speaker 1: detail and whitewall cars. You know what you're gonna say.

1732
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:54,960
Speaker 1: Of course, keep behind your thinking. I don't want to

1733
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:58,559
Speaker 1: wax cars. But you're in that interview, right, human nature.

1734
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:02,960
Speaker 1: So Steiken goes into those meetings, and yes, he probably

1735
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:05,439
Speaker 1: was looking at Anthony Richardson, thinking of Jalen Hurts and

1736
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:07,360
Speaker 1: what he had worked with in Philadelphia, and he was

1737
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:09,639
Speaker 1: intrigued by that. There were a lot of things about

1738
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:14,320
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson that would whet anybody's whistle for certain. So Steiken,

1739
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:16,559
Speaker 1: let's say he's on board whatever it may be, but

1740
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:18,840
Speaker 1: he's going to be a little more muted because he's

1741
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:21,760
Speaker 1: brand new to the job about things that might be

1742
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:28,679
Speaker 1: of concern. So he comes in and the Colts in general,

1743
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:30,680
Speaker 1: and at that time, the late Jim orsay rest his

1744
01:38:30,760 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 1: soul is coming off of Vander luck is coming off

1745
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:37,839
Speaker 1: of Peyton Manning. Those are the last two franchise drafty

1746
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:42,000
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that the Colts had experienced, and Ersay saying, look,

1747
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:45,200
Speaker 1: he hand the keys to the guy, and you let

1748
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:47,559
Speaker 1: him go. You let him grow on the job. And

1749
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:54,439
Speaker 1: so they do, and they aired and yes, the injuries

1750
01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 1: were a factor, and yes there were things of inc

1751
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:02,720
Speaker 1: consistency in hitting the layups for Richardson, but there were

1752
01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:08,599
Speaker 1: also plays that completely intrigued you. But everything changed last year.

1753
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:13,200
Speaker 1: And everything changed last year when Anthony Richardson tapped his

1754
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:16,320
Speaker 1: helmet and came out of a game. And when Anthony

1755
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:18,519
Speaker 1: Richardson tapped his helmet and came out of a game

1756
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:21,200
Speaker 1: and then said, I'm not gonna lie. I was tired.

1757
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:27,280
Speaker 1: That was, in NFL speak, a disrespect to the guys

1758
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:30,520
Speaker 1: on the line. That was, in NFL speak, a disrespect

1759
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 1: to the receivers who were playing with a bad back.

1760
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:37,360
Speaker 1: That was an NFL speak, a disrespect to his coaches

1761
01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:40,320
Speaker 1: who had trusted with him to make the right decisions

1762
01:39:40,320 --> 01:39:43,520
Speaker 1: and do the right things. And Shane Steichen was incredulous

1763
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:47,400
Speaker 1: over it, and I think internally fuming over it. But

1764
01:39:47,479 --> 01:39:50,880
Speaker 1: he also knew that that is the guy that his

1765
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:55,439
Speaker 1: general manager selected when the general manager finally was put

1766
01:39:55,479 --> 01:39:57,360
Speaker 1: in a position where he could no longer kick the

1767
01:39:57,400 --> 01:40:01,760
Speaker 1: can when it comes to quarterbacks, and Chris Ballard has

1768
01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:03,920
Speaker 1: been given a lot of rope and a lot of

1769
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:07,439
Speaker 1: second chances. Chris Ballard came in as the general manager

1770
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:10,120
Speaker 1: and Chris Ballard was trusted to make a coaching higher

1771
01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:15,960
Speaker 1: and he went with Josh McDaniels and then announced it

1772
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:18,920
Speaker 1: to the world before there was a contract signed, and

1773
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:22,080
Speaker 1: he had had an egg on his face, and he

1774
01:40:22,080 --> 01:40:23,920
Speaker 1: held a press conference and he said, the rivalry is

1775
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:26,760
Speaker 1: back on with New England. Was it was?

1776
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:26,840
Speaker 17: It?

1777
01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:30,360
Speaker 1: Did New England give a second thought about the Indianapolis

1778
01:40:30,360 --> 01:40:37,240
Speaker 1: Colts who were fading into the wind? So he goes then,

1779
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:39,920
Speaker 1: and he gets a second lease because Jim Rsay says, look,

1780
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:43,559
Speaker 1: let me call my buddy Frank Wrich. I'll call Frank

1781
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:48,479
Speaker 1: Reich and we'll be good. So he does, and he

1782
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:52,800
Speaker 1: gets another opportunity at that situation. Then the andw luck

1783
01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:56,160
Speaker 1: of course, you know, trying to replace that situation at quarterback,

1784
01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:02,080
Speaker 1: and he goes with Jacoby Brissett to kind of hold

1785
01:41:02,120 --> 01:41:03,920
Speaker 1: water until he figures out where he wants to go.

1786
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:06,639
Speaker 1: And ultimately the guy that he picks is he's gonna

1787
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:10,519
Speaker 1: go with Carson Wentz. And he goes with Carson Wentz

1788
01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:13,680
Speaker 1: and immediately the owner says, I don't like this guy,

1789
01:41:14,439 --> 01:41:17,439
Speaker 1: so he gets rid of him and then you know

1790
01:41:17,479 --> 01:41:19,680
Speaker 1: the rest from there. They kicked the can they went

1791
01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:22,120
Speaker 1: with a couple of different veteran options, et cetera. And

1792
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:24,599
Speaker 1: Paul the Mailman made a very good point earlier, Getty Paul.

1793
01:41:25,439 --> 01:41:28,640
Speaker 1: They have been followers. They were a trendsetter when they

1794
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:30,120
Speaker 1: had Peyton Manning, they were a trend setter when they

1795
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:32,800
Speaker 1: had Andrew Luck. Then they became followers, and they tried

1796
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:35,559
Speaker 1: to do what Tampa had done with Tom Brady and

1797
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:39,160
Speaker 1: get a veteran quarterback that's got one last lease at life,

1798
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:41,599
Speaker 1: and get Matt Ryan and get Philip Rivers and get

1799
01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:43,679
Speaker 1: these guys and see what's in see if there's gas

1800
01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:48,840
Speaker 1: left in the tank. And then they decided, you know what,

1801
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:53,200
Speaker 1: Now we'll go with the Sam Darnold mode, the Baker

1802
01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:56,679
Speaker 1: Mayfield mode of a quarterback that just needs a new

1803
01:41:56,960 --> 01:42:00,240
Speaker 1: ZIP code and they can be reinvented. So they go

1804
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:03,600
Speaker 1: out and they get Daniel Jones, does Chris Ballard? But

1805
01:42:04,200 --> 01:42:07,880
Speaker 1: Ballard I think was getting Daniel Jones because he wanted

1806
01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:11,200
Speaker 1: the safety net in case Anthony Richardson was unavailable from

1807
01:42:11,200 --> 01:42:14,000
Speaker 1: a health standpoint to play. Because the most important thing

1808
01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:16,679
Speaker 1: to keep in mind is this, when it came down

1809
01:42:16,720 --> 01:42:18,800
Speaker 1: to it, when Chris Ballard had to make the most

1810
01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:23,160
Speaker 1: important decision of his career, of his tenure. The quarterback

1811
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:25,759
Speaker 1: is the most important position in sports and the National

1812
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:29,680
Speaker 1: Football League. A starting pitcher in baseball is important, a

1813
01:42:29,720 --> 01:42:34,040
Speaker 1: starting point guard in the NBA is important. The most

1814
01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:36,760
Speaker 1: important position in team sports in the United States of

1815
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:42,200
Speaker 1: America is the football quarterback position. And Chris Ballard finally

1816
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:45,439
Speaker 1: got to a point where he had to go ahead

1817
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:49,320
Speaker 1: and show as a general manager that he had the

1818
01:42:49,360 --> 01:42:55,280
Speaker 1: scouting acumen, the judgment acumen, the football acumen, all of

1819
01:42:55,320 --> 01:42:58,439
Speaker 1: that to make the right decision with all of the

1820
01:42:58,479 --> 01:43:02,679
Speaker 1: things that he needed to know in selecting a quarterback.

1821
01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:07,439
Speaker 1: And he selected Anthony Richardson. And there were people sure

1822
01:43:07,479 --> 01:43:10,759
Speaker 1: that said Anthony Richardson didn't have enough time at Florida

1823
01:43:10,840 --> 01:43:13,320
Speaker 1: to show what he could do, didn't have that he

1824
01:43:13,400 --> 01:43:17,519
Speaker 1: was physically gifted, but those physical gifts limited him from

1825
01:43:17,680 --> 01:43:21,519
Speaker 1: learning the position organically. But those gifts were so strong

1826
01:43:21,560 --> 01:43:23,599
Speaker 1: that he had to go with it. And Chris Ballard

1827
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:25,479
Speaker 1: fell in love with those gifts at the combine and

1828
01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:27,880
Speaker 1: Chris Ballard told anybody that would listen, if we had

1829
01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:29,679
Speaker 1: the number one pick in the draft, this is still

1830
01:43:29,720 --> 01:43:33,120
Speaker 1: the guy we would have taken. Not move up for CJ. Stroud,

1831
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:36,240
Speaker 1: not move up for Bryce Young, not settle for Will Levis,

1832
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:38,280
Speaker 1: and that might have been the right pick. Still to

1833
01:43:38,320 --> 01:43:40,200
Speaker 1: this day, we don't know. CJ. Stroud looks like a

1834
01:43:40,240 --> 01:43:44,080
Speaker 1: pretty good player, though, But Anthony Richardson was the guy

1835
01:43:44,439 --> 01:43:47,640
Speaker 1: that Chris Ballard basically, whether he wants to admit it

1836
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:50,800
Speaker 1: or not, put his reputation as a general manager on

1837
01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:55,240
Speaker 1: the line for Anthony Richardson. And we're in year three

1838
01:43:57,200 --> 01:43:59,360
Speaker 1: and I'm driving to work thinking about all of this.

1839
01:44:01,560 --> 01:44:03,479
Speaker 1: And as I'm driving to work, I look up at

1840
01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:05,680
Speaker 1: the JW. Marriott and Eddie's heard me say this like

1841
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:09,439
Speaker 1: three times today. But I look at the JW. Marriott

1842
01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:11,479
Speaker 1: and I see staring down at me and looking over

1843
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:13,719
Speaker 1: the city and looking over you Colts fans to Forest

1844
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:20,280
Speaker 1: Buckner twenty stories high. I see Jonathan Taylor, I see

1845
01:44:20,360 --> 01:44:25,160
Speaker 1: Kenny Moore, I see Quentin Nelson, and I think good players,

1846
01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:29,759
Speaker 1: all of them, all of them, good players in their prime.

1847
01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:34,960
Speaker 1: And then I go one more block and I see

1848
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:37,840
Speaker 1: Lucas Oil Stadium before me, and I see the same

1849
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:42,280
Speaker 1: guys looking down on me, and I realize I don't

1850
01:44:42,280 --> 01:44:46,720
Speaker 1: see a quarterback because this franchise still doesn't know for

1851
01:44:46,760 --> 01:44:49,840
Speaker 1: certainty that it has one. And as I look at

1852
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:52,080
Speaker 1: Lucas Oil Stadium and I look at all of those players,

1853
01:44:52,320 --> 01:44:54,400
Speaker 1: I see two things on the stadium. I see a

1854
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:57,759
Speaker 1: window and I see a roof, both of which open

1855
01:44:57,800 --> 01:45:04,160
Speaker 1: and close. And the windows closed just like the window,

1856
01:45:04,240 --> 01:45:08,040
Speaker 1: and the prime of the Forrest Buckner and Kenny Moore

1857
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:11,840
Speaker 1: and Quentin Nelson and Jonathan Taylor is starting to close.

1858
01:45:13,560 --> 01:45:15,920
Speaker 1: And by the time those guys are in a closed

1859
01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:18,720
Speaker 1: part of their prime, it's probably too late to wait

1860
01:45:18,760 --> 01:45:21,280
Speaker 1: on a quarterback. And I see the roof and I

1861
01:45:21,320 --> 01:45:25,400
Speaker 1: notice it's closed too, And I think to myself, that's

1862
01:45:25,439 --> 01:45:31,719
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis tenure of Anthony Richardson, because you don't go back. Now, sure,

1863
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:35,200
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, if he gets hurt, Richardson's gonna get an opportunity.

1864
01:45:35,240 --> 01:45:39,360
Speaker 1: And maybe if that happens, Richardson balls out. And all

1865
01:45:39,400 --> 01:45:44,200
Speaker 1: this is a moot point, But symbolically speaking, when you're

1866
01:45:44,280 --> 01:45:46,320
Speaker 1: head coach who was brought in because he was a

1867
01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:49,240
Speaker 1: quarterback whisperer, when you're head coach who was on board,

1868
01:45:49,240 --> 01:45:51,920
Speaker 1: but the quarterback you brought in and he and yes,

1869
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:54,360
Speaker 1: you can say, in the sake of Chris Ballard, and

1870
01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:56,519
Speaker 1: in the form of Chris Ballard, you could say part

1871
01:45:56,560 --> 01:45:59,080
Speaker 1: of great leadership is trusting the people that you've hired

1872
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:01,639
Speaker 1: to make this decisions that you hired them to make.

1873
01:46:02,760 --> 01:46:04,879
Speaker 1: And this is one where he said to Shane Steiken,

1874
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:08,519
Speaker 1: I'm going to let you make this decision. And what

1875
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:13,120
Speaker 1: Shane Steiken did in making that decision was defer away

1876
01:46:13,400 --> 01:46:17,919
Speaker 1: from the most important player that Chris Ballard has ever drafted,

1877
01:46:20,479 --> 01:46:26,680
Speaker 1: and in doing so, presumably saying enough is enough. And

1878
01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:31,200
Speaker 1: I don't think you go back barring an injury, admittedly,

1879
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:36,080
Speaker 1: but I just don't see how you go back. And

1880
01:46:36,439 --> 01:46:39,679
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones apparently does all of those things. I mentioned

1881
01:46:39,680 --> 01:46:43,360
Speaker 1: this earlier when I was in Saint Louis, when I

1882
01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:45,160
Speaker 1: was in Saint Louis and I covered the Rams a

1883
01:46:45,200 --> 01:46:48,800
Speaker 1: million years ago, I realize, but they had a draft

1884
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:51,840
Speaker 1: class where you know, Marshall Falk was there. Marshall Falk was,

1885
01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:54,479
Speaker 1: he had left, he had just retired, I think, or

1886
01:46:54,520 --> 01:46:56,599
Speaker 1: he was. He might have maybe been coming off injury.

1887
01:46:57,160 --> 01:46:59,560
Speaker 1: And the Rams used their first round pick on a

1888
01:46:59,640 --> 01:47:04,960
Speaker 1: running back out of Arizona named Trunk Candidate. Trunk Candidate

1889
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:07,600
Speaker 1: had dazzled everybody at the combine and ran like a

1890
01:47:07,600 --> 01:47:10,320
Speaker 1: four to three forty, had a big year at Arizona.

1891
01:47:10,479 --> 01:47:14,679
Speaker 1: He was their draft pick. And back in those days

1892
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:17,599
Speaker 1: for the Saint Louis Rams when you were a media

1893
01:47:17,640 --> 01:47:20,160
Speaker 1: member and this was kind of cool. We had full

1894
01:47:20,240 --> 01:47:22,599
Speaker 1: rain and access to Rams Park. I mean, I had

1895
01:47:22,600 --> 01:47:24,360
Speaker 1: like an entry card like I'm wearing right here if

1896
01:47:24,360 --> 01:47:26,680
Speaker 1: you're looking on YouTube. And our building I had the

1897
01:47:26,680 --> 01:47:28,599
Speaker 1: same thing for rams Park. Didn't go into all access

1898
01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:30,639
Speaker 1: to the all areas of the building, but you could

1899
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:31,920
Speaker 1: go in the building at any time. They had a

1900
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:33,960
Speaker 1: little coffee room whatever else, and it went right past

1901
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:39,280
Speaker 1: the locker room. And Trunk candidate couldn't get on the field.

1902
01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:42,599
Speaker 1: He's early in his tenure, early in his rookie year,

1903
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:45,280
Speaker 1: but that he wouldn't get many snaps, wouldn't get many reps.

1904
01:47:45,400 --> 01:47:47,920
Speaker 1: And one day I'm walking through Rams Park and Trunk

1905
01:47:47,920 --> 01:47:53,320
Speaker 1: candidate is on his hands and knees on all fours,

1906
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:59,400
Speaker 1: crawling his way across towards the locker room, and I go,

1907
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:03,200
Speaker 1: what in the world are you doing? And he looks

1908
01:48:03,240 --> 01:48:07,439
Speaker 1: up at me and says, you know, oftentimes just from

1909
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:10,639
Speaker 1: running and stuff, my calves and my hamstrings get tired,

1910
01:48:11,240 --> 01:48:18,960
Speaker 1: so I do this to save them, to spare them. Okay,

1911
01:48:19,120 --> 01:48:23,320
Speaker 1: it was a weird thing, and I'm not even saying

1912
01:48:23,320 --> 01:48:26,320
Speaker 1: it was wrong, but it was something that I saw

1913
01:48:26,360 --> 01:48:28,320
Speaker 1: that you could only see if you're inside the building.

1914
01:48:30,479 --> 01:48:33,320
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that Anthony Richardson is crawling around

1915
01:48:34,520 --> 01:48:38,200
Speaker 1: inside the Colts complex, but he's crawling more than he's

1916
01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:41,000
Speaker 1: taking big steps, because he takes baby steps from time

1917
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:44,479
Speaker 1: to time, but then he also takes steps backwards. And

1918
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:48,479
Speaker 1: Shane Stikeen has seen something inside the building that has

1919
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:51,200
Speaker 1: led him to believe that he is not comfortable with

1920
01:48:51,240 --> 01:48:54,200
Speaker 1: giving the ball to Anthony Richardson and instead going with

1921
01:48:54,280 --> 01:48:58,160
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, and in doing so, he has completely turned

1922
01:48:58,200 --> 01:49:01,800
Speaker 1: his back on the most important decision that Chris Ballard made.

1923
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:06,160
Speaker 1: And Carlie ers Gordon had said it is a nightmare.

1924
01:49:06,280 --> 01:49:08,040
Speaker 1: I think she said it can I think she said

1925
01:49:08,120 --> 01:49:10,200
Speaker 1: nightmare was the word when you have a coach and

1926
01:49:10,240 --> 01:49:12,519
Speaker 1: a general manager that don't work well together or don't

1927
01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:14,479
Speaker 1: see eye to eye. And she was not talking about

1928
01:49:14,479 --> 01:49:18,920
Speaker 1: these two men. She was not talking about these two men.

1929
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:22,240
Speaker 1: She was talking about the past and precedent of Chuck

1930
01:49:22,280 --> 01:49:25,280
Speaker 1: Bagonno and Ryan Grigson and I don't think in no way,

1931
01:49:25,320 --> 01:49:26,599
Speaker 1: shape or for him do. I think that these two

1932
01:49:26,640 --> 01:49:31,160
Speaker 1: guys are there and they must clearly have a confidence

1933
01:49:31,200 --> 01:49:33,960
Speaker 1: and a comfort level amongst each other. Because Shane Steichen

1934
01:49:34,280 --> 01:49:41,000
Speaker 1: felt comfortable enough to go at the player, that is

1935
01:49:41,080 --> 01:49:45,000
Speaker 1: in complete defiance of that that Chris Ballard was trusted

1936
01:49:45,200 --> 01:49:47,479
Speaker 1: to be the face of the franchise, because if you

1937
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:50,040
Speaker 1: look at that stadium and you look at the JW. Marriott,

1938
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:55,320
Speaker 1: they have no face at quarterback. Now we know who

1939
01:49:55,320 --> 01:49:59,519
Speaker 1: it is, will he be a face that remains to

1940
01:49:59,560 --> 01:50:02,720
Speaker 1: be seen? Two nine ten seventy the telephone number, Stephen Holder.

1941
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Speaker 1: In just a couple we'll get to a couple of calls. First,

1942
01:50:04,520 --> 01:50:07,040
Speaker 1: Carol will join us. Hi, Carol, how are you?

1943
01:50:08,160 --> 01:50:10,000
Speaker 23: I'm just fine? How are you?

1944
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Speaker 1: No, I'm good, Carol. You having a good day today?

1945
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:13,320
Speaker 1: It's raining outside.

1946
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Speaker 23: Right, Yes, it's not where I am though.

1947
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Speaker 1: Okay, Well where are you, Carolmes?

1948
01:50:19,120 --> 01:50:20,559
Speaker 23: I'm in Brownsburg right now?

1949
01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:22,800
Speaker 1: Okay, Well we'll have to get out to Brownsburg since

1950
01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:25,000
Speaker 1: its dry. All are your thoughts on the quarterback situation

1951
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Speaker 1: this team?

1952
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Speaker 2: A listener twenty five?

1953
01:50:26,240 --> 01:50:27,800
Speaker 1: I think, oh wait to make Carol? Have you called

1954
01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:28,519
Speaker 1: the show before?

1955
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Speaker 15: No?

1956
01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:31,479
Speaker 1: I have no Oh Eddie, Please, if we could the

1957
01:50:31,479 --> 01:50:38,000
Speaker 1: breaking new center, Carol, bear with us. Please we twenty

1958
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Speaker 1: five female listeners. Carol, you are female listener number twenty

1959
01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:43,639
Speaker 1: five of this program, and we could not be more thrilled.

1960
01:50:43,640 --> 01:50:45,680
Speaker 1: Your thoughts on the quarterback situation.

1961
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Speaker 23: Well, I just think Anthony Richardson will continue to get

1962
01:50:51,720 --> 01:50:59,759
Speaker 23: hurt because he doesn't have the decision making skills needed.

1963
01:51:00,600 --> 01:51:06,400
Speaker 23: And the other day at the game, Jones was making

1964
01:51:06,600 --> 01:51:12,840
Speaker 23: much quicker decisions, I thought, And so I think unless

1965
01:51:13,040 --> 01:51:19,240
Speaker 23: Richardson improves his decision making skills, he's number one not

1966
01:51:19,320 --> 01:51:22,000
Speaker 23: going to be a good quarterback, and number two, he's

1967
01:51:22,040 --> 01:51:23,439
Speaker 23: going to continue to get hurt.

1968
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Speaker 1: Well, Carol, I think Shane Steiken agrees that I appreciate

1969
01:51:26,640 --> 01:51:29,679
Speaker 1: the call, Carol, you call any time. We are thrilled

1970
01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:33,719
Speaker 1: to have you, and I appreciate your listening to the show. Listen, Carol,

1971
01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:36,920
Speaker 1: Shane Steiken agrees to you clearly, And like I said,

1972
01:51:37,640 --> 01:51:40,559
Speaker 1: you can't have repetition without recognition, and he did not

1973
01:51:40,680 --> 01:51:43,799
Speaker 1: recognize with Baltimore, for example, what was coming his way,

1974
01:51:44,120 --> 01:51:46,120
Speaker 1: and it got him hurt and it cost him repetition.

1975
01:51:46,200 --> 01:51:49,439
Speaker 1: And I think to your point exactly Carol, the Colts said,

1976
01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:53,920
Speaker 1: we just can't have it that way. Pauli, Paullie, what's up?

1977
01:51:54,200 --> 01:51:54,920
Speaker 7: How you do it?

1978
01:51:55,200 --> 01:51:56,200
Speaker 15: Hey, you're a good man.

1979
01:51:56,520 --> 01:51:59,200
Speaker 17: I disagree with her, but I like, first of all,

1980
01:51:59,240 --> 01:52:01,080
Speaker 17: I got to give you with you and Jake, I

1981
01:52:01,160 --> 01:52:04,360
Speaker 17: got you some magnesium sit trade. It's good for your

1982
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:07,840
Speaker 17: heart and back. I'll get with you next week. Now,

1983
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:12,360
Speaker 17: I disagree with her. On that first preseason game, they

1984
01:52:12,520 --> 01:52:17,280
Speaker 17: put in Anthony and listened to the radio station right here.

1985
01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:18,800
Speaker 10: They put him in.

1986
01:52:18,720 --> 01:52:22,760
Speaker 17: With people that had never played in an NFL game before,

1987
01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:28,360
Speaker 17: and that's how he got his finger messed up like dislocated.

1988
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Speaker 1: You know what, PAULI were here's the thing. You were

1989
01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:35,559
Speaker 1: correcting this, Paulie. What what you heard was correct because

1990
01:52:35,600 --> 01:52:37,080
Speaker 1: you called in and said that you had heard that

1991
01:52:37,120 --> 01:52:40,080
Speaker 1: on the broadcast. It wasn't that on the offensive line

1992
01:52:40,120 --> 01:52:42,200
Speaker 1: they had players who'd never played in the NFL. It

1993
01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:44,960
Speaker 1: was that that combination of players on the line had

1994
01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:47,600
Speaker 1: not played together on an offensive line before, and with

1995
01:52:47,680 --> 01:52:50,439
Speaker 1: an offensive line, pol right, that is an important aspect

1996
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:53,160
Speaker 1: because you got to have cohesiveness for sure.

1997
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Speaker 17: Right right, Well, anyway, it comes to the point where

1998
01:52:57,280 --> 01:53:03,040
Speaker 17: he's got his fingers loans, so like what the girl

1999
01:53:03,160 --> 01:53:04,280
Speaker 17: lasts set or something.

2000
01:53:04,840 --> 01:53:06,800
Speaker 15: If they What gets me is.

2001
01:53:06,840 --> 01:53:13,400
Speaker 17: Like they should have they could have him with with

2002
01:53:14,840 --> 01:53:19,040
Speaker 17: Daniel Jones in there, and when it gets healed up,

2003
01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:24,920
Speaker 17: why not if you have to lift somebody, is your quarterback? Fine,

2004
01:53:25,479 --> 01:53:27,120
Speaker 17: but why not mix it up?

2005
01:53:27,240 --> 01:53:30,599
Speaker 1: Why Paul there, PAULI. You are not the first one

2006
01:53:30,600 --> 01:53:32,720
Speaker 1: to point that out. It was mentioned earlier somebody said

2007
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:35,720
Speaker 1: they should rotate one to the next, one, drive to

2008
01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:38,080
Speaker 1: the next, one play to the next. The bottom line

2009
01:53:38,120 --> 01:53:40,519
Speaker 1: is this in the NFL, and I understand the sentiment.

2010
01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:43,400
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it's wrong, but unfortunately the president

2011
01:53:43,400 --> 01:53:46,240
Speaker 1: would dictate that if you got two quarterbacks, you got none.

2012
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Speaker 1: And because I just to your point, PAULI, when you're

2013
01:53:49,240 --> 01:53:51,919
Speaker 1: talking about the offensive line and the cohesiveness of that line,

2014
01:53:52,400 --> 01:53:54,519
Speaker 1: the same thing is true at quarterback. I just think

2015
01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:57,839
Speaker 1: that you have to have stability in terms of the style,

2016
01:53:58,280 --> 01:54:00,960
Speaker 1: the expectation to huddle, the case, all of that. You

2017
01:54:01,000 --> 01:54:03,439
Speaker 1: got to go with one guy, and they decided it's

2018
01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:07,840
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. Stephen Holder joined us next, and then plenty

2019
01:54:07,880 --> 01:54:09,800
Speaker 1: more phone calls. I do want to hear from all

2020
01:54:09,840 --> 01:54:12,080
Speaker 1: you folks that were lined up. I appreciate it. Holders next,

2021
01:54:14,040 --> 01:54:18,280
Speaker 1: here we go again the Colts carousel at quarterback, but

2022
01:54:19,200 --> 01:54:23,840
Speaker 1: it appears as though the carousel has stopped and the

2023
01:54:23,920 --> 01:54:29,040
Speaker 1: roulette wheel landed on Daniel Jones. And so Daniel Jones

2024
01:54:30,160 --> 01:54:34,800
Speaker 1: Shane Steiken says, we'll be the quarterback for this season.

2025
01:54:34,840 --> 01:54:36,720
Speaker 1: He also said, and I think it's very important to

2026
01:54:36,760 --> 01:54:43,680
Speaker 1: point out and re emphasize that in his decision, he

2027
01:54:43,880 --> 01:54:46,720
Speaker 1: made it very clear that this is not something that

2028
01:54:46,760 --> 01:54:51,800
Speaker 1: he anticipates being a short leash. He wants this to

2029
01:54:51,880 --> 01:54:57,000
Speaker 1: be a year long decision, and Daniel Jones is going

2030
01:54:57,040 --> 01:55:01,680
Speaker 1: to get opportunity from one week to the next. And

2031
01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:06,720
Speaker 1: the murky situation now also becomes when you have that

2032
01:55:06,840 --> 01:55:09,600
Speaker 1: backup quarterback that's there and everybody wants that guy to

2033
01:55:09,640 --> 01:55:13,360
Speaker 1: play to see what they can do. If you're going

2034
01:55:13,480 --> 01:55:17,560
Speaker 1: to go through a season where Jones is playing, say

2035
01:55:17,600 --> 01:55:22,200
Speaker 1: at a mediocre level, then you know you could be

2036
01:55:22,280 --> 01:55:27,800
Speaker 1: opening yourself up to a really tough deal. Let's put

2037
01:55:27,800 --> 01:55:30,200
Speaker 1: it that way. My fear, to be honest with you,

2038
01:55:32,480 --> 01:55:35,240
Speaker 1: my fear is simply the fact that the Colts could

2039
01:55:35,240 --> 01:55:38,280
Speaker 1: be boring. I don't want the Colts to be boring.

2040
01:55:39,440 --> 01:55:42,560
Speaker 1: Fans don't want the Colts to be boring. We very

2041
01:55:42,600 --> 01:55:45,720
Speaker 1: clearly it's in our best interest for the Colts to

2042
01:55:45,800 --> 01:55:50,960
Speaker 1: be exciting and good and competitive. And I'm not saying

2043
01:55:52,080 --> 01:55:57,200
Speaker 1: does Daniel Jones excite anybody? Are people fired up? That's

2044
01:55:57,280 --> 01:55:59,800
Speaker 1: my concern is that they could in fact be boring,

2045
01:56:01,520 --> 01:56:04,440
Speaker 1: but it remains to be seen. If nothing else, it's

2046
01:56:04,760 --> 01:56:09,000
Speaker 1: we're full of drama. We're full of drama. A guy

2047
01:56:09,040 --> 01:56:11,240
Speaker 1: that I'm sure has had a full dance card all

2048
01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:13,400
Speaker 1: day long and has been very busy. I can only

2049
01:56:13,400 --> 01:56:16,440
Speaker 1: imagine that Steven Holder probably today found out just exactly

2050
01:56:16,440 --> 01:56:19,200
Speaker 1: how many editors he has joins us on the program

2051
01:56:19,240 --> 01:56:21,640
Speaker 1: on what has been a very busy day. Stephen, I

2052
01:56:21,680 --> 01:56:24,320
Speaker 1: am going to give you full and complete credit, just

2053
01:56:24,360 --> 01:56:26,800
Speaker 1: like mister hand to Jeff Spacoli. I'm going to leave

2054
01:56:26,800 --> 01:56:29,400
Speaker 1: this on the board for everybody, giving you complete credit,

2055
01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:32,720
Speaker 1: of course, and that is you are, I believe, and

2056
01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:34,800
Speaker 1: we're the first guy that I saw. Kevin Bowen was

2057
01:56:34,840 --> 01:56:37,400
Speaker 1: in this camp as well. But you have been telling

2058
01:56:37,480 --> 01:56:40,320
Speaker 1: us in forecasting. Look read the tea leaves here. Shane

2059
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:42,280
Speaker 1: Steichen is hinting of the fact that this is a

2060
01:56:42,320 --> 01:56:45,839
Speaker 1: distinct possibility. And now here we are your thoughts.

2061
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I would just say that. I mean, I don't

2062
01:56:50,120 --> 01:56:52,040
Speaker 7: take credit for being smarter or anything. What I would

2063
01:56:52,080 --> 01:56:54,760
Speaker 7: say is that because that's very debatable. But what I

2064
01:56:55,160 --> 01:57:01,000
Speaker 7: would say is those were not random words there were

2065
01:57:01,440 --> 01:57:03,920
Speaker 7: They were based on things that he said publicly, things

2066
01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:08,040
Speaker 7: that I had heard privately, and and also just knowing

2067
01:57:08,120 --> 01:57:12,040
Speaker 7: Shane Stikeen, the things that he based this decision on,

2068
01:57:12,520 --> 01:57:14,760
Speaker 7: which are the things that that are not as obvious

2069
01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:16,839
Speaker 7: to you and I because I have never played quarterback

2070
01:57:16,840 --> 01:57:20,200
Speaker 7: in the NFL, those things are really important to him

2071
01:57:20,640 --> 01:57:24,480
Speaker 7: and actually loom large when he when he decides, you know,

2072
01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:27,800
Speaker 7: how and who to play at quarterback. So that has

2073
01:57:28,400 --> 01:57:30,240
Speaker 7: had a very big impact here, and I think it

2074
01:57:30,680 --> 01:57:34,200
Speaker 7: makes it difficult for the average fan because what we

2075
01:57:34,280 --> 01:57:36,840
Speaker 7: saw on the field, and I asked, I asked Shane

2076
01:57:36,880 --> 01:57:40,120
Speaker 7: Stikeen this, you know, pretty bluntly, I said, Shane, I

2077
01:57:40,160 --> 01:57:44,360
Speaker 7: watched every practice. He wasn't better than Anthony Richardson. You

2078
01:57:44,360 --> 01:57:47,000
Speaker 7: got to do a better job of explaining this. But

2079
01:57:47,080 --> 01:57:51,000
Speaker 7: I just think that in his mind these things matter

2080
01:57:51,560 --> 01:57:56,879
Speaker 7: so much that that he is willing to maybe forego

2081
01:57:57,080 --> 01:58:02,400
Speaker 7: some playmaking for the consistency in those particular areas, So

2082
01:58:02,520 --> 01:58:04,200
Speaker 7: I think that's where he's where he came down on

2083
01:58:04,240 --> 01:58:04,720
Speaker 7: this whole thing.

2084
01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:10,800
Speaker 1: The afterwards, Stephen, when Shane Styke and clarified that he

2085
01:58:10,840 --> 01:58:14,040
Speaker 1: does not want this to be a short leash. If

2086
01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:17,920
Speaker 1: you had to guess it, give me the situation and

2087
01:58:18,440 --> 01:58:21,720
Speaker 1: the timeframe in which we see Anthony Richardson under center.

2088
01:58:21,880 --> 01:58:25,680
Speaker 7: If we do, I think they're gott to start losing.

2089
01:58:26,240 --> 01:58:28,920
Speaker 7: That's that's basically it, and and it has to be

2090
01:58:30,320 --> 01:58:32,520
Speaker 7: it has to be sort of the vintage Daniel Jones,

2091
01:58:32,560 --> 01:58:35,720
Speaker 7: which is this a guy who will certainly complete more

2092
01:58:35,760 --> 01:58:42,040
Speaker 7: passes than Anthony Richardson. But it's it sometimes can be

2093
01:58:42,160 --> 01:58:48,400
Speaker 7: the illusion of efficiency. Okay, we oftentimes traditionally, you know,

2094
01:58:48,640 --> 01:58:52,480
Speaker 7: sort of define efficiency as you know, we look at

2095
01:58:52,480 --> 01:58:55,880
Speaker 7: the completion percentage and and things like that. But but

2096
01:58:55,920 --> 01:58:59,040
Speaker 7: frankly that's just part of it. And I think the

2097
01:58:59,320 --> 01:59:03,160
Speaker 7: telltales so there for me is that Anthony Richardson and

2098
01:59:03,240 --> 01:59:08,240
Speaker 7: Daniel Jones had almost the exact same VR last season,

2099
01:59:08,840 --> 01:59:12,200
Speaker 7: and there are other efficiency metrics that are very similar

2100
01:59:12,280 --> 01:59:16,960
Speaker 7: between them as well. And that is despite Daniel Jones

2101
01:59:17,240 --> 01:59:21,000
Speaker 7: having a significantly higher completion percentage, and you know what,

2102
01:59:21,720 --> 01:59:24,520
Speaker 7: so what it didn't matter, right. So what I am

2103
01:59:24,560 --> 01:59:30,160
Speaker 7: saying there is if the Colts start struggling and there

2104
01:59:30,240 --> 01:59:32,680
Speaker 7: is a direct correlation to the quarterback play, then I

2105
01:59:32,720 --> 01:59:34,880
Speaker 7: think you have to make a change. I will also

2106
01:59:35,000 --> 01:59:38,080
Speaker 7: add this, you know, for the optics of this, the

2107
01:59:38,120 --> 01:59:40,160
Speaker 7: first two games are at home. Well, what's going to

2108
01:59:40,200 --> 01:59:43,120
Speaker 7: happen in those two games? If and when Daniel Jones struggles?

2109
01:59:43,920 --> 01:59:48,400
Speaker 7: The booze are going to cascade from that stadium. Because

2110
01:59:48,440 --> 01:59:51,360
Speaker 7: fans want to love Anthony Richardson. I think they want

2111
01:59:51,400 --> 01:59:53,480
Speaker 7: to see it through and right now they feel like

2112
01:59:53,480 --> 01:59:55,960
Speaker 7: they're not getting that chance. So that's I don't know

2113
01:59:55,960 --> 01:59:57,600
Speaker 7: whether that's going to matter, but I'm just telling you

2114
01:59:57,680 --> 01:59:58,440
Speaker 7: that's going to be a thing.

2115
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Speaker 1: Stephen the okay to me, and I want you to

2116
02:00:04,480 --> 02:00:08,600
Speaker 1: tell me why I'm wrong. I sent this tweet earlier.

2117
02:00:10,040 --> 02:00:17,760
Speaker 1: This is Shane Steichen passing on, pardon the pun, the

2118
02:00:17,800 --> 02:00:22,120
Speaker 1: most important draft selection in the tenure of Chris Ballard,

2119
02:00:23,560 --> 02:00:26,400
Speaker 1: and he said, I'm good. I'm going to go with

2120
02:00:26,640 --> 02:00:31,360
Speaker 1: admittedly a guy Chris board went out and signed if right, right,

2121
02:00:32,320 --> 02:00:34,280
Speaker 1: how do you if you're Anthony Richardson, how do you

2122
02:00:34,320 --> 02:00:34,920
Speaker 1: come back from that?

2123
02:00:36,920 --> 02:00:39,760
Speaker 7: I don't know. I don't know that you do. Okay,

2124
02:00:39,800 --> 02:00:41,640
Speaker 7: and I think there I'll take what you said a

2125
02:00:41,640 --> 02:00:46,320
Speaker 7: step further. And this is important. There were two people

2126
02:00:46,720 --> 02:00:50,360
Speaker 7: in this building out outside of which I'm sitting right now.

2127
02:00:50,560 --> 02:00:52,120
Speaker 7: There were two people in this building who were the

2128
02:00:52,160 --> 02:00:56,800
Speaker 7: biggest proponents of drafting Anthony Richardson. One of them was

2129
02:00:56,840 --> 02:01:00,440
Speaker 7: their lead scout, Morocco Brown. He's no longer with the team,

2130
02:01:00,800 --> 02:01:03,760
Speaker 7: so it doesn't matter what he felt at the time

2131
02:01:03,760 --> 02:01:07,160
Speaker 7: now because he's no longer here. The other guy was

2132
02:01:07,200 --> 02:01:10,320
Speaker 7: Shane Stiking. There were number one and number two in

2133
02:01:10,360 --> 02:01:15,960
Speaker 7: some order, and so that gives you the context here.

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Speaker 1: But okay, go ahead, and then I'll say you my

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Speaker 1: count right.

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Speaker 7: So my point is he believed in him until he didn't, right,

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Speaker 7: and he vowed to have patience with him until he didn't.

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Speaker 7: And I know Shane is trying to deliver the message

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Speaker 7: that you know, this isn't the end, and maybe it's

2140
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Speaker 7: not right. I mean, stranger things have happened. But if

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Speaker 7: you're Anthony Richardson, why would you put any stock into

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Speaker 7: the idea that you have a future here?

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Speaker 1: But you got one guy, one of the guys that

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Speaker 1: you mentioned that was a proponent is gone and was fired. Right,

2145
02:01:48,120 --> 02:01:51,440
Speaker 1: we don't know why the other one just walked back.

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Speaker 1: If that's the case, his own thought process, right, Ballard

2147
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Speaker 1: is the guy that ultimately has to make that decision.

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Speaker 1: As I mentioned earlier, Shane Stiking at the time, let

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Speaker 1: me tell you my thought on this, Steven, and feel

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Speaker 1: free to tell me why I'm completely wrong. Okay. Stichen

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Speaker 1: at the time that they were going through that process

2152
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Speaker 1: had been on the job for eight weeks. I don't

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Speaker 1: know about you, but if I am granted for the

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Speaker 1: first time an opportunity within my dream job, of which

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Speaker 1: there are only thirty two of them, I'm going to

2156
02:02:18,920 --> 02:02:20,920
Speaker 1: go along with whatever it is the GM is wanting

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Speaker 1: me to go along with.

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Speaker 7: True, But I'm not sure if that's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 7: I think there was some There was some deference to

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Speaker 7: Shane Stikeen as the guy who is going to have

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Speaker 7: to build an offense to accommodate Anthony Richardson, the guy

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Speaker 7: who was going to have to coach him and develop him.

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Speaker 7: And I think this is just me saying this. I

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Speaker 7: think if Anthony Richardson, excuse me, if if Shane Steichen

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Speaker 7: would have been of the opinion I can't make this

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Speaker 7: work with this guy. He doesn't have it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I get that I would have carried some weight,

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Speaker 1: But do you think he would have? He said, saying, though,

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Speaker 1: do you think he would have said that? I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, you just get that job if you if

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Speaker 1: you don't believe that that's the guy. Are you really

2172
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Speaker 1: and you've been hired to groom whoever the guy is,

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Speaker 1: are you really going to say, guys that this is

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Speaker 1: not the one. I can't do this right?

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Speaker 7: I don't know, but I would also I would also

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02:03:19,120 --> 02:03:23,520
Speaker 7: remind everybody that he could not he could not wait

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Speaker 7: to put him in the starting lineup. He could have

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Speaker 7: held off, in which they have now you know, tried

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Speaker 7: to do a little revisionist history on say, oh, well,

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Speaker 7: maybe we should have waited. The Colts saw Anthony Richardson

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Speaker 7: play Shamesyking saw Anthony Richardson play one quarter of preseason

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Speaker 7: football and the preseason opener in twenty twenty three. He

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Speaker 7: walked in here on Monday morning and said, all right,

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Speaker 7: he's our guy, He's our starter.

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Speaker 1: How much of all do you think, Steven, I've always

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Speaker 1: wanted this? How much of that is the fact of

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Speaker 1: that at that time I mean rest his soul. But

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Speaker 1: the late Jim Mersey was still not only around, but

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Speaker 1: was involved. And he had seen not once but twice

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Speaker 1: the Colts draft a franchise quarterback and had success handing

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Speaker 1: them the keys, So why not go with what works?

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Speaker 7: Well? I think even Jim understood though, that that this

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Speaker 7: guy was different. This, This was not Peyton Manning or

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Speaker 7: Andrew Luck. And I don't know a lot of this

2195
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Speaker 7: will We'll never know, right, I mean unless people decide

2196
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Speaker 7: to be just completely honest, or we get somebody drunk, right,

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Speaker 7: So we won't know all these answers. But queer question

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Speaker 7: certainly about Jim and his his stance and his influence.

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Speaker 7: Perhaps you know who knows?

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Speaker 1: Are we having this conversation? Are we having this conversation

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Speaker 1: if Anthony Richardson does not tap his helmet?

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Speaker 7: Uh? I don't think that helped. I think that has.

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02:04:44,080 --> 02:04:46,520
Speaker 7: It probably brought us closer to this. I don't think

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02:04:46,520 --> 02:04:49,440
Speaker 7: it all traces to that though. I think, in fact,

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02:04:49,760 --> 02:04:52,520
Speaker 7: I would argue that the other things that happened in

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02:04:52,560 --> 02:04:55,800
Speaker 7: that game probably loom a little larger. And when I

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02:04:55,800 --> 02:04:58,280
Speaker 7: say that, what I mean is like, you know, him

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Speaker 7: sort of getting overwhelmed with some of the you know,

2209
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Speaker 7: the bad reads he made in that game, and that

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Speaker 7: that was sort of rock bottom for him, right he

2211
02:05:06,200 --> 02:05:08,360
Speaker 7: had that pick six down with his back to the

2212
02:05:08,440 --> 02:05:11,920
Speaker 7: end zone of you know. To to that point, though,

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Speaker 7: I would also say shame Stikeen has to coach to

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02:05:14,120 --> 02:05:17,879
Speaker 7: the player to some degree, right in the closing seconds

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02:05:17,920 --> 02:05:20,520
Speaker 7: of the of the first half. Why are you throwing

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02:05:20,560 --> 02:05:22,760
Speaker 7: out of your own end zone with a guy who's

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02:05:22,920 --> 02:05:26,600
Speaker 7: who's swimming and is overwhelmed at that particular moment. Be

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02:05:26,800 --> 02:05:29,360
Speaker 7: that as it may, I don't think there was any

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02:05:29,400 --> 02:05:32,600
Speaker 7: one event that led us here. I really think Shan

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02:05:32,680 --> 02:05:34,760
Speaker 7: Stykeen is a guy. This is I wonder if I

2221
02:05:34,760 --> 02:05:37,160
Speaker 7: can explain this accurately. Shan Stykeen is a guy who

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02:05:37,240 --> 02:05:40,840
Speaker 7: is extremely confident and his ability to scheme things up

2223
02:05:40,840 --> 02:05:42,440
Speaker 7: and to call the right play at the right moment.

2224
02:05:42,840 --> 02:05:46,400
Speaker 7: Extremely confident in his mind. I believe that he thinks

2225
02:05:47,120 --> 02:05:49,080
Speaker 7: if I if I get a guy that can just

2226
02:05:49,120 --> 02:05:51,680
Speaker 7: execute and do all the little things that I want,

2227
02:05:52,320 --> 02:05:54,400
Speaker 7: I can get us where we need to go. He

2228
02:05:54,480 --> 02:05:57,000
Speaker 7: might be wrong, but that's the kind of confidence that

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Speaker 7: he passed. So that plays a role here too.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Steven Holder our guest ESPN dot Com,

2231
02:06:03,120 --> 02:06:05,320
Speaker 1: where you can read his work, and of course ESPN Television.

2232
02:06:05,320 --> 02:06:07,320
Speaker 1: I've got a feeling he's going to be you'll see

2233
02:06:07,360 --> 02:06:09,960
Speaker 1: him there as well a lot here in the near future.

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02:06:10,280 --> 02:06:13,480
Speaker 1: Do you believe Steve like minutes ago, right, I was

2235
02:06:13,520 --> 02:06:17,400
Speaker 1: gonna say, go ahead, do you believe that? Well, here's the thing, Steve,

2236
02:06:17,480 --> 02:06:19,320
Speaker 1: Let's be real. If you take that twenty minutes ago,

2237
02:06:19,400 --> 02:06:21,520
Speaker 1: it's going to be airing like sixty four times in

2238
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Speaker 1: the next three hours, right, I mean, let's be real.

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Speaker 7: We got we got ah.

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Speaker 1: When you look at this situation, is it possible that

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Speaker 1: this is Shane Steichen's last Hail Mary to wake up

2242
02:06:36,440 --> 02:06:41,920
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson? Or did Anthony Richardson hit the snooze button

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Speaker 1: one too many times? And that's that.

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Speaker 7: Well, I don't know about the second part, you know,

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Speaker 7: in terms of Anthony not doing his part. I mean, look,

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02:06:50,600 --> 02:06:52,840
Speaker 7: he could have done more. There's no let's be clear

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02:06:52,840 --> 02:06:54,560
Speaker 7: about that. He could have done more and should have

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02:06:54,600 --> 02:06:59,360
Speaker 7: done more. But I would also say I think everything

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02:06:59,400 --> 02:07:06,000
Speaker 7: here points to this being about everybody realizing there's too

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Speaker 7: much at stake and I'm not rolling the dice from

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Speaker 7: Anthony Richardson That's what I take from this, I really do,

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Speaker 7: I think, I asked, saying stacking directly, I said, this

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Speaker 7: seems like a very immediate decision and not versus like

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Speaker 7: a long term decision.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 7: The long term decision, in my view is you play

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Speaker 7: Anthony Richardson, Like, why would that even be a conversation? Right,

2258
02:07:27,920 --> 02:07:29,720
Speaker 7: You have a young guy you need to find out

2259
02:07:29,760 --> 02:07:33,240
Speaker 7: about him, as you said, as everybody already knows. They

2260
02:07:33,360 --> 02:07:35,200
Speaker 7: elected to not do that, To play a guy on

2261
02:07:35,240 --> 02:07:38,680
Speaker 7: a one year contract who probably is not your future.

2262
02:07:39,320 --> 02:07:43,320
Speaker 7: Why because you think he's a better path. He gives

2263
02:07:43,360 --> 02:07:45,720
Speaker 7: you the better path of the most more likely path

2264
02:07:45,760 --> 02:07:48,160
Speaker 7: to winning, right now. That's that's it. That is the

2265
02:07:48,160 --> 02:07:50,120
Speaker 7: only reason for this. I think if you're taking a

2266
02:07:50,120 --> 02:07:53,440
Speaker 7: step back, if you're taking this, if you're looking at

2267
02:07:53,440 --> 02:07:56,640
Speaker 7: this from a from a long term view, this is

2268
02:07:56,680 --> 02:08:00,760
Speaker 7: one thousand percent the wrong decision. But that's not that's

2269
02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:04,080
Speaker 7: not the viewpoint with which they made this decision.

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Speaker 1: Did Daniel Jones win the job or Anthony Richardson lost it?

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Speaker 7: He won the job because he was better at the

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02:08:14,360 --> 02:08:17,920
Speaker 7: areas that Shane Stycken cares about more So I'm giving

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02:08:17,920 --> 02:08:21,320
Speaker 7: you a caveat answer but that's the answer. I think

2274
02:08:21,480 --> 02:08:26,840
Speaker 7: between the lines, Anthony Richardson won this job. My fair

2275
02:08:26,920 --> 02:08:29,440
Speaker 7: though is that, look, now, same stack is not wrong

2276
02:08:29,520 --> 02:08:32,320
Speaker 7: to really care about those aspects of the job, Okay,

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02:08:32,400 --> 02:08:35,120
Speaker 7: I want to be clear like that, you know, when

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02:08:35,120 --> 02:08:38,560
Speaker 7: stuff gets hard or you're in a two minute offense

2279
02:08:38,840 --> 02:08:41,000
Speaker 7: and the quarterbacks just has to know certain things and

2280
02:08:41,280 --> 02:08:43,080
Speaker 7: all those things like the seven year vet's going to

2281
02:08:43,120 --> 02:08:45,720
Speaker 7: be better at that, right, and that stuff matters, right

2282
02:08:45,720 --> 02:08:47,680
Speaker 7: because you're going to be dealing with the Mike Vrabels

2283
02:08:47,720 --> 02:08:50,200
Speaker 7: of the world or you know whoever, the you know,

2284
02:08:50,280 --> 02:08:53,640
Speaker 7: the the defensive coordinators who could give quarterbacks trouble off

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Speaker 7: So I get that. However, here's the thing. All that's great,

2286
02:08:58,880 --> 02:09:02,120
Speaker 7: but ultimately execution is great and all that, but but

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02:09:02,200 --> 02:09:04,720
Speaker 7: I worry about this. If you want to play Devil's

2288
02:09:04,760 --> 02:09:08,800
Speaker 7: Advocate one, it's third and eight and you've got to

2289
02:09:08,880 --> 02:09:13,560
Speaker 7: have it, and the left tackle blows a block and

2290
02:09:13,600 --> 02:09:15,600
Speaker 7: now the quarterback is running for his life and he's

2291
02:09:15,600 --> 02:09:17,480
Speaker 7: got to make a play. What do you want with

2292
02:09:17,480 --> 02:09:19,240
Speaker 7: the ball in their hands in that scenario? And the

2293
02:09:19,480 --> 02:09:21,800
Speaker 7: thing about it is that's not every play, certainly, but

2294
02:09:21,920 --> 02:09:25,920
Speaker 7: that is football. That's football, Okay, once you draw up,

2295
02:09:26,480 --> 02:09:30,200
Speaker 7: doesn't doesn't matter one damn bit on Sunday because a

2296
02:09:30,240 --> 02:09:32,480
Speaker 7: lot of the times it goes out the window. So

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Speaker 7: that's going to be the question here. Can they you know,

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Speaker 7: can they you have this controlled environment where Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 7: you know, executes and call and runs all of Saint

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Speaker 7: Stiken's quo plays, or do they find themselves with a

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Speaker 7: quarterback or with the situation where the quarterback has to

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Speaker 7: make a play to win them games and they find

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Speaker 7: out he can't do that.

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Speaker 1: Stevenholder ESPN dot com, you can read the work. You

2305
02:09:56,520 --> 02:09:59,960
Speaker 1: will see him on ESPN television as well. A lot

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02:10:00,200 --> 02:10:02,160
Speaker 1: I can tell you between now and certainly the beginning

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Speaker 1: of the season. A very busy day, Steven. I appreciate

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02:10:04,920 --> 02:10:05,760
Speaker 1: you squeezing usin.

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Speaker 7: You got it.

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Speaker 1: He's back on the list for Pacer games. Stephen Holder.

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Speaker 1: That was the bribery. He's back on the list. Of course,

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02:10:14,480 --> 02:10:16,080
Speaker 1: we have to make sure we get tickets first, but

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Speaker 1: we'll come back. Your phone calls will hand it off

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02:10:19,200 --> 02:10:23,920
Speaker 1: to John as well. Other side, Eddie, do you happen

2315
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Speaker 1: to have the breaking news sounder? This just in from

2316
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Speaker 1: the Indiana Fever. The Fever announced today that guard Sophie

2317
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Speaker 1: Cunningham will miss the remainder of the twenty twenty five

2318
02:10:36,680 --> 02:10:41,120
Speaker 1: w NBA season after suffering an injury during the team's

2319
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Speaker 1: game at Connecticut on Sunday. In a corresponding move, the

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Speaker 1: Fever have signed guard Shay Petty to a seven day

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Speaker 1: hardship contract and released guard Kyra Lambert. Petty a six

2322
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Speaker 1: year w NBA veteran, most recently appeared with the LA

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Speaker 1: Sparks and is a former defensive star within the w NBA.

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Speaker 1: We've been talking also about the news with Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 1: the starter for Anthony Richardson. Josh wanted to chime in

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Speaker 1: quickly before we hand off to John. Hi, Josh, how

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Speaker 1: are you.

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Speaker 15: Hey?

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Speaker 2: Jake?

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Speaker 18: Thanks for having me on. First of all, as a

2331
02:11:17,920 --> 02:11:20,440
Speaker 18: season ticket member. I don't care who's on the marquee

2332
02:11:20,440 --> 02:11:23,360
Speaker 18: of anything. It doesn't bother me. Second of all, the

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Speaker 18: Colts gave up and Stiken gave up on Richardson. He's

2334
02:11:26,200 --> 02:11:30,240
Speaker 18: never going to recover from this, and Stiken just wanted

2335
02:11:30,280 --> 02:11:35,040
Speaker 18: to save his job and went with the sure thing,

2336
02:11:35,360 --> 02:11:39,480
Speaker 18: as we would say, but I'm not happy about this decision.

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02:11:39,560 --> 02:11:43,120
Speaker 18: They gave up on Richardson and for Stikeen to come

2338
02:11:43,160 --> 02:11:45,080
Speaker 18: out and say he just needs more reps. How do

2339
02:11:45,120 --> 02:11:49,080
Speaker 18: you get more reps with second teamers than first teamers?

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Speaker 18: I mean, first team is where you get your good reps,

2341
02:11:51,200 --> 02:11:52,480
Speaker 18: not with second team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. All I'm saying about with the Marquis, Josh, is

2343
02:11:55,800 --> 02:11:57,400
Speaker 1: the fact that if you have a quarterback that you

2344
02:11:57,400 --> 02:11:59,480
Speaker 1: have any belief in whatsoever he's going to be up there.

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02:12:00,160 --> 02:12:00,680
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm just saying I don't.

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Speaker 18: That doesn't bother me as as a season ticket member,

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Speaker 18: but as a but as a season ticket member, I

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Speaker 18: am upset a Dane Stikein for making this looney tune decision.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and it's listen, Josh. I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: people agree with you, and it's going to be interesting

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02:12:16,440 --> 02:12:20,640
Speaker 1: to see, especially if Daniel Jones struggles in the first

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02:12:20,680 --> 02:12:23,200
Speaker 1: two home games. I mean, you got Miami and Denver.

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Speaker 1: He struggles in one or both of those, then yes,

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Speaker 1: I agree with Steven that more people are going to

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Speaker 1: be like Josh and voicing their opinion. J and B

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Speaker 1: has arrived, John Big Show lined up.

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Speaker 24: Oh boy, I can't wait here. So is this somebody

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Speaker 24: just sent me? This is it? Indiana Jones and the

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Speaker 24: season of doom.

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Speaker 1: That's good. I will say this.

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Speaker 24: The one outlier to all of this is it is

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Speaker 24: even when you're comparing two bad quarterbacks and they're vying

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Speaker 24: for the same job, it's a bold move to make

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02:12:54,520 --> 02:12:59,440
Speaker 24: with that final decision on Jones with Stichen because you know,

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Speaker 24: everybody thought that the easier route would have been Richardson.

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Speaker 1: You're right.

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Speaker 24: I don't know if it would have been prosperous positive

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Speaker 24: you're gonna get the results, but it would have been

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Speaker 24: the easiest choice to make right there. So I think

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Speaker 24: you just said something that probably is impactful is that

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Speaker 24: they they see and trust something in him that maybe

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Speaker 24: we don't because I'll be damn Jake, I didn't see

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Speaker 24: a difference in either one of these dudest, not one ounce,

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Speaker 24: and nobody out there that covered him every single day

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Speaker 24: during training camp can tell you that they did. All

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Speaker 24: that they say is that they're getting, you know, these

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Speaker 24: bits and pieces from Shane Stuck and who really was

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Speaker 24: trying his damness not to say anything whatsoever, just kind

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Speaker 24: of but he wants to.

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Speaker 1: Know John like, well, there's just more to it. There's

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Speaker 1: more to it. It's the totality, you know, It makes

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02:13:46,600 --> 02:13:48,840
Speaker 1: you wonder what there has to be something like that, But.

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Speaker 24: There's always but it's the organization that always has more

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02:13:51,440 --> 02:13:55,080
Speaker 24: to it, and nobody delivers less with more to it

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02:13:55,120 --> 02:13:58,360
Speaker 24: than this organization that's this is this to me, and

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Speaker 24: I said this in this video that we sent out

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Speaker 24: wherever the hell that is now. But they should they

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Speaker 24: hit the reset Yeah, hit the reset button last year.

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Speaker 24: I would rather have a dude like Jackson Dart or

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Speaker 24: somebody like that right now that at least you can

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Speaker 24: get okay, he's a rookie and you can go.

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Speaker 1: This is purgatory.

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Speaker 24: This is absolutely positively it, and I think most people

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02:14:21,680 --> 02:14:24,160
Speaker 24: out there are sick of it. We're grasping at straws

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02:14:24,160 --> 02:14:26,520
Speaker 24: with Daniel Jones, You're going to be grasping at straws

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Speaker 24: with Richardson, and here we are once again.

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Speaker 1: My worry is they're just going to be in that

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Speaker 1: that of boring mediocrity. But we shall see.

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Speaker 2: Oh they're going to be boring. There's no doubt.

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Speaker 1: John's up next to be with you until three. We

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Speaker 1: would bet we will be back with you at noon.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to Scott Agnes, Thank you to Steven Holder,

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Speaker 1: thinking to el Rhodes from WTHR for coming in and

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Speaker 1: paying a visit as well. Thank you for listening to

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Speaker 1: Queing Company.