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Speaker 1: He is covering the Colts and hears Joel ericson Joel,

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Speaker 1: let's get right to the meat of the matter, and

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Speaker 1: that is the corner situation. What more do we know

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Speaker 2: Sarmirius Ward is in the concussion protocol, and you know,

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Speaker 3: But I would say if you go back and look at.

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Speaker 2: The recent history of Colts in the concussion protocol, it's

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Speaker 2: much more likely that he misses this game against Denver

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Speaker 2: than not. You can't predict these things, but usually they

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Speaker 2: give that player a week before they come back.

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Speaker 1: So with that, and I was just discussing this Joel,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know, you can add to this or

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Speaker 1: you can discuss whether or not Shane Steichen has talked

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Speaker 1: about this. To me, the corner position is the one

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Speaker 1: area where it's good. And I give Chris Ballack credit

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I think, especially especially the way

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Speaker 2: Like Makai Blackman played last week. I think it was

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Speaker 2: Anna Rumo said he's essentially the guy that they match

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Speaker 2: like you look at this Broncos team coming up. Courtland

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jonathan Edwards is We had him on the show

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Speaker 3: I think that, you know, they would have to. They're

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Speaker 2: A lost night, especially against you know, when you're going

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Speaker 1: Were there any other injuries that popped up, or any

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Speaker 2: For us to kind of find out about guys who

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Speaker 1: Well, do we know that something was bothering him?

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Speaker 2: It feels like it, But I don't know that we

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Speaker 2: I think I thought the lesson of maybe not playing

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Speaker 2: If you go back and look when Taylor was healthy,

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Speaker 1: Do you believe that Shane Stiken called that game the

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Speaker 2: I think it's probably a more complex game plan. I

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Speaker 3: I think it expands what.

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Speaker 1: Joe, how many of these Dog and Pony Show interviews

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson doing? And I mean that sincerely, I truly

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I I know, you got to

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Speaker 1: play perhaps depth at one of the corners. Question is

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Speaker 1: this is a guy that they basically got at the

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Speaker 1: end of camp. They made a trade for him at

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Speaker 1: the end of camp, came from Minnesota. And here is

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Speaker 1: Shane Steichen on whether he thinks Blackman's ready to go.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I thought he did a great job coming in.

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Speaker 6: He put in the time, put in the work. He

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Speaker 6: was always in with the dB coaches. Jerome Henderson, he

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Speaker 6: spent a lot of time with him. I walked ust

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Speaker 6: to his office when he signed him. He was in

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Speaker 6: there all day, every day learning the system. So credit

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Speaker 6: to him. Credit to Jerome and Chris getting him up

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Speaker 6: to speed as fast as possible.

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Speaker 1: Okay. And when he's talking about Chris, by the way,

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Speaker 1: they've got a couple of defensive back coaches, and Chris

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Speaker 1: Hewett is another one that works within the secondary. He's

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Speaker 1: the overall secondary coach. And then Jerome Henderson there that

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Speaker 1: you heard that works with corners. Okay. Now, so then

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Speaker 1: the question becomes with this room that we thought was

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Speaker 1: a room where they had good depth and now all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden it's a little bit depleted. Steichen's thoughts

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Speaker 1: on the cornerback room in general good.

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Speaker 6: I mean, we got guys in there that we feel

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Speaker 6: confident in. Whoever's on that field, we got faith in,

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Speaker 6: and they got to be ready to go. You know,

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Speaker 6: if he's not able to go, we got to those

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Speaker 6: other guys step up.

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Speaker 1: Now, I get it, and I believe him when he

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Speaker 1: says that, because I do think that credit to Chris Ballard.

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Speaker 1: Chris Ballard has done a good job of building depth

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Speaker 1: at this position, but it's already being tested. And the

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Speaker 1: thing to me that is curious is this the guys

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Speaker 1: that we just mentioned. Jonathan Edwards, undrafted free agent, didn't

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Speaker 1: know where Westfield, Indiana was three months ago except for

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Speaker 1: the fact that he played at Indiana State, so he

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Speaker 1: probably had some friends from Westfield. Okay, Xavien Howard again

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Speaker 1: not on the roster, not one that you expected at

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Speaker 1: the end of last year was going to be a

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Speaker 1: part of this defensive backfield black Men we just talked about,

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Speaker 1: and Jalen Jones who has been dinged up with injury

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Speaker 1: and is still out for a while now. My point being,

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Speaker 1: this is a unit that, while I give them credit

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Speaker 1: and thank goodness, they've built some depth within it, it

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Speaker 1: is still faces and names that are relatively unfamiliar overall

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Speaker 1: with the grand scheme of things. But you have a

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Speaker 1: defense with a coordinator that is new. Lou An Arumo

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Speaker 1: is new to everybody. His defense is new to everybody,

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Speaker 1: and how you work off of your teammates within your

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Speaker 1: particular unit also new to everybody. And corner is one

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Speaker 1: spot that I think you can most airdrop a guy

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Speaker 1: in and on short preparation, he can play at a

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Speaker 1: pretty high level compared to say, if you were to

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Speaker 1: put in a right guard or a tight end or

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Speaker 1: a receiver, just because I think the language, the lingo,

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Speaker 1: the responsibilities. In terms of how much you are reliant

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Speaker 1: upon what your other teammates are doing, you are more

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Speaker 1: on an island as a corner than probably any other position.

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Speaker 1: But the other thing that I can appreciate, and I've

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Speaker 1: grown to appreciate this over time, Shane Stikeen has a

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Speaker 1: unique ability to answer questions without saying anything. Caleb, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna give you the task here. I want you to

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Speaker 1: ask me a question about anything in life, and I'll

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Speaker 1: answer it like Shane Stikeen. Anything going on in the world.

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Speaker 1: Let's not keep it political, but or let's not go political,

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Speaker 1: but anything in the world going on, sports wise, other teams,

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Speaker 1: whatever going on. Just ask me a question of something

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Speaker 1: going on in the world right now that's topical. I'll

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Speaker 1: answer it like Shane Steikeen. Uh.

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Speaker 5: Hey, coach Shane stike In caleb'suverer of one oh seven

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Speaker 5: five of the fan, Uh, what are your thoughts on

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Speaker 5: the Cowboys missing Michael Parsons? Do you think it's a

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Speaker 5: good trade, bad trade.

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Speaker 1: What do you think? Yeah, good trade, good player. You

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Speaker 1: know obviously those guys, you know, they they know what

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Speaker 1: they got to do. That's got energy, I mean, gets

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Speaker 1: in their mixed plays, you know, and and and and

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Speaker 1: they're gonna know what's best for their program. I think

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Speaker 1: he's a great player. I think Green Bay got a

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Speaker 1: great player there. But at the same time, you know,

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Speaker 1: Dallas they got a lot of depth, and you gotta

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Speaker 1: trust the process. And I think they trust the process.

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Speaker 1: They know, and they've done their work, They've done their homework,

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Speaker 1: and uh, I think it works have both teams. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I asked me something else that that's not to do

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Speaker 1: with football.

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Speaker 3: And.

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Speaker 5: Let's see here, Uh what do you uh can I

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Speaker 5: still stick with sports anything in the world?

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Speaker 1: Anything? Just go ask question boom.

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Speaker 5: Go uh chainstike in what's your favorite uh state capital

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Speaker 5: in the United States?

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Speaker 1: Well, good question. Lots of them to choose from, you know,

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Speaker 1: and obviously you know they all got all got highs,

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Speaker 1: all got lows. I mean, you know, you look at Cheyenne,

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Speaker 1: windy like the wind, you know, Cheyenne and and the

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Speaker 1: high plateau there, and then you know, Tallahassee, big building.

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Speaker 1: But you know, we got to look at it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I've been a lot of them, not not to all

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Speaker 1: of them. So we got to look at it. And and

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Speaker 1: we'll take a look at that. And but you know,

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Speaker 1: i'd say Indianapolis. I mean, we're here in Indianapolis, like

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis State Capitol, beautiful building right next to our building,

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Speaker 1: and you know we look to pack it like he

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Speaker 1: is the master. He is the master and answering the

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Speaker 1: coach speak one on one, but you you have to navi.

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Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is with that, you have to

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Speaker 1: then tiptoe through and navigate and find little things where

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Speaker 1: he's giving you a little information. And where we aired.

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Speaker 1: Where I aired was so I'm not going to throw

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Speaker 1: everybody else under this bus. Where I aired was the

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Speaker 1: fact that when if you look at each time he

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Speaker 1: was asked about the quarterback situation, he told you everything

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Speaker 1: you needed to know. He didn't say the names, but

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Speaker 1: he told you everything he needed to know you needed

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Speaker 1: to know. And when he is saying right there, for example,

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Speaker 1: he was asked about Ward and he just said he's

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Speaker 1: in the protocol. And that's it. I mean, I get

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Speaker 1: that he probably doesn't know much more than that at

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Speaker 1: this point. But when he's asked about Blackman and he

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Speaker 1: starts and I go back to this. I just think

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Speaker 1: this is such a critically important aspect of when Shane

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Speaker 1: Steichen says things he does. He gives you the coach

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Speaker 1: speak one oh one, but there is consistency in sometimes

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Speaker 1: the narrative of what he is saying. And when he's

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Speaker 1: talking about Blackman there and when he's talking about the

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Speaker 1: defensive backfield there, what does he keep going back to preparation,

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Speaker 1: the room, the film room, reps, commitment. He keeps saying

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Speaker 1: those things, and he doesn't say that about every player,

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Speaker 1: So when there are players that he doesn't say it about,

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Speaker 1: you can read between the lines. And I know that

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Speaker 1: he was very high on the physical attributes of Anthony Richardson.

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Speaker 1: And I know that he was vociferous through the draft

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Speaker 1: process apparently or allegedly within the room of the intrigue

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Speaker 1: of Anthony Richardson. And I know that he managed to

570
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Speaker 1: kind of reinvent Jalen Hurts. And I know that he

571
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Speaker 1: actually I think, got a pretty decent contract for Gardner Minshew.

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Speaker 1: And I think now Shane Steiken is looking at and

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Speaker 1: somebody sent me this yesterday, Ron sent me this. I

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Speaker 1: think it was and it's a brilliant point. By going

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Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones, Shane Steiken is gambling not on Daniel

576
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Speaker 1: Jones and not against Anthony Richardson, but Shane Stiken is

577
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Speaker 1: gambling on himself because he knows the time is ticking

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Speaker 1: for him, and he knows. He looks at it and

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Speaker 1: he says, I've got to go with the quarterback here

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Speaker 1: that I feel I have the best opportunity to awaken

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Speaker 1: and to jumpstart and to get going. And in doing that,

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Speaker 1: I've got to go with the quarterback that I'm the

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Speaker 1: most comfortable with. And what defines comfort for Shane Steichen

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Speaker 1: in the room, working with coaches, commitment, see him in

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Speaker 1: the hallways, and what does he keep telling us? And

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Speaker 1: what did he keep telling us about Anthony Richardson? He

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Speaker 1: kept saying to us, not even necessarily as an indictment

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Speaker 1: on Richardson, but in the praise elsewhere, Well, the thing

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Speaker 1: about Jones or the thing about this quarterback competition. I

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Speaker 1: want somebody that it's part of the entire operation. I

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Speaker 1: want somebody that sees all of this in terms of

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Speaker 1: everything from the huddle to the room to the hallway

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Speaker 1: to being the first in and the last out. And

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Speaker 1: it's one thing, sure we all know people like this.

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00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: They punched the time clock and then nobody knows where they.

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Speaker 1: You know, everybody worked at that grocery store in high

597
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Speaker 1: school where there's the one guy that's like, yeah, did

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Speaker 1: you hear You know John was punching the time clock

599
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Speaker 1: and then going taking a nap in the paper towel

600
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Speaker 1: rolls in the stock room and then coming back at

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Speaker 1: four hours later and punching out and nobody knows he

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Speaker 1: wasn't there. You know, that kind of thing. You get

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Speaker 1: people to go through the problem, just go through the

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Speaker 1: motion of it. And I think Steichen has basically been

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Speaker 1: telling us now that that's what that he didn't feel

606
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Speaker 1: Richardson was doing those other things, and he's utilizing that

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Speaker 1: now it's seeped into him explaining to us with other

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Speaker 1: players what it is that he likes. He is screaming

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Speaker 1: the message to us, and I aired and not hearing

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Speaker 1: the message because I got caught up in all the noise,

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Speaker 1: right and I wasn't just listening to the core message.

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Speaker 1: And now what you have is I think The message

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Speaker 1: that now we shift to is now that we know

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Speaker 1: that it's Daniel Jones. He is saying to us, I

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Speaker 1: need somebody that is all in on the process and

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Speaker 1: being a leader from in all areas and aspects, because

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Speaker 1: I Shane Steichen was brought here to be a quarterback whisperer,

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Speaker 1: and if as a quarterback whisperer, I'm still speaking too

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Speaker 1: softly for the quarterback that I was thought to be

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Speaker 1: awakening to hear it, then I have to go with

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Speaker 1: the guy that actually at least has hearing aids and

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Speaker 1: can figure out what I'm saying. And I believe that's

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. And I believe that Daniel Jones will give

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Speaker 1: me the best opportunity to call a game that benefits

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Speaker 1: the quarterback, that utilizes the weapons that we have, that

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Speaker 1: allows us to win games, and allows me to keep

627
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Speaker 1: my job. I'm not saying his job this year is

628
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: like right on the razor's edge, but I think he

629
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Speaker 1: knows the NFL stands for not for long. And if

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Speaker 1: you look at that game against Miami and you look

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Speaker 1: at the way Shane Steiken strategized that game, he offered

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Speaker 1: for us the blueprint and the blueprint is you come

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Speaker 1: out in a game, you establish Tyler Warren, you get

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Speaker 1: him going, You make it very clear this is the

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Speaker 1: guy that we're going to punch you in the mouth with.

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Speaker 1: And then once you adapt your defense to take away

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Speaker 1: that middle area where Tyler Warren is roaming around, then

638
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: we're going to take advantage of the areas where you

639
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: just softened yourself. And we're going to utilize Jonathan Taylor,

640
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Speaker 1: and we're gonna utilize Michael Pittman, and we're gonna utilize

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00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: even Alec Pierce and even Adie Mitchell. That's what the

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00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: game plan is. And then we're going to once we

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Speaker 1: get a lead. And yes, it's a lot easier to

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00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: maintain and hold on to a lead theoretically with Miami

645
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: or maybe even Denver than it's going to be if

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Speaker 1: you're playing Kansas City or Baltimore Buffalo. I get that,

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Speaker 1: but in these games, I mean, hoon, does Houston have

648
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: an offense that blows you away? Does Tennessee have an

649
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: offense that blows you away? Does Jacksonville have an offense

650
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 1: that blows you away? You want to win your division

651
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: games first, and you're seeing the blueprint right now. He

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Speaker 1: is spelling it out for you, because that's what Shane

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Speaker 1: Steiken does. He speaks coach speak, and he says the

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Speaker 1: same thing over and over. But the message is there,

655
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Speaker 1: and that message is sort through and find the finite

656
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Speaker 1: message of what I'm saying, and that is that the

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Speaker 1: blueprint of how we're going to play is we are

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Speaker 1: going to be a team that is winning organizationally. And

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Speaker 1: what you say against Miami is exactly that they went out,

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Speaker 1: they did what they needed to do, they got the lead,

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Speaker 1: and then once they did, you let lou Anarrumo turn

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Speaker 1: that defense loose, You roll with it, You hold onto

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Speaker 1: that lead, and you keep your offense in such a

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Speaker 1: fashion that Miami never was able to get back in

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Speaker 1: that game. And I think they're going to try to

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Speaker 1: do the same thing against Denver. A favorite guest of

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Speaker 1: the program Debbie Antonelli. Of course, you see her television

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Speaker 1: work when it comes to the w NBA and the

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Speaker 1: Indiana Fever Fever in the playoffs. Now the regular season

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Speaker 1: wrapping up, They ended with a strong win over the

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Speaker 1: Minnesota Links last night. Debbie Antonelli joining us on the

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Speaker 1: always busy and shockingly unsponsored guest line. Debbie I'm going

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Speaker 1: to begin with this. You thought I was bringing you

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Speaker 1: on to talk about the fever, and we're going to

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Speaker 1: get to that. You thought I was going to bring

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Speaker 1: you on to talk about the WNBA. We're going to

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Speaker 1: get to that as well. But the most important topic

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Speaker 1: at hand is this, and that is the last time

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Speaker 1: that we talked, we had talked about and I had

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Speaker 1: you on along with John Wheeler, our friend from just

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Speaker 1: to the southeast of here that is a special Olympic

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Speaker 1: basketball player, won a national championship representing Indiana with a

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Speaker 1: game winning shot years ago, and now was trying to

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Speaker 1: put together a package to get himself to Minnesota. And

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Speaker 1: you did a phenomenal job of spearheading a fundraising effort

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Speaker 1: for that. We got listeners involved as well, and it

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Speaker 1: is my understanding that he in fact will be on

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Speaker 1: his way to Minnesota. Is that correct, Jake.

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Speaker 4: That's part of the reason why you're one of my

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Speaker 4: heroes in Indiana. I just love that you lead with

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Speaker 4: this because yes, he will be a part of the

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Speaker 4: team delegation representing Indiana playing basketball and coaching basketball in

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Speaker 4: Minneapolis next summer. So yes, it's very exciting. Or thank

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Speaker 4: you for your help. I want to thank the listeners

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Speaker 4: that helped out John who made enough money and raised

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Speaker 4: enough money so that he can go.

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Speaker 1: I just love it. I love everything about it. And

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Speaker 1: as I told him, you know, look, I know he

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Speaker 1: wants to win, and you know, these are competitors, right,

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Speaker 1: They're athletes like the rest of us, and they want

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Speaker 1: to win. But at the same time, there's a little

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Speaker 1: victory even before they go out, and what a win

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Speaker 1: that is to be able to They're already starting out

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Speaker 1: one to zero in my book, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what that particular game Minnesota playing, not

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Speaker 4: last night, but the last time Minnesota played. I said,

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Speaker 4: twenty dollars for every three that Indiana and Minnesota made combined,

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Speaker 4: it was so fitting that it was Minnesota and that's

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Speaker 4: where he wanted to go. Those teams made twenty two threes.

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Speaker 4: I threw four hundred and forty bucks in a bucket and.

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Speaker 1: A bucket for John's That's the best money you spent

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Speaker 1: in a while, That's right, you know. All right, Debbie,

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Speaker 1: let's get to this. And I was talking about this earlier,

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Speaker 1: and I want you to from a basketball standpoint, kind

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Speaker 1: of enlighten with this and that is this particular Fever team.

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Speaker 1: I have been so impressed with the resiliency that they've

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Speaker 1: had to show with roster, just based on in particular

718
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Speaker 1: their backcourt attrition. And you know, and it goes beyond

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark's injury. I mean Sophie Cunningham's you know, a

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Speaker 1: great player, and you know they've lost a lot of

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Speaker 1: key pieces over the course of the season, and yet

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Speaker 1: they put themselves in position out of the postseason. How

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Speaker 1: do you, as a coach or a player either one

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Speaker 1: fight against that being complacency and saying mission accomplished when

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Speaker 1: in fact, now there's a new mission before you.

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, you have to understand all the

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Speaker 4: advanced work the front office does to be able to

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Speaker 4: put Stephanie White in this position, to be able to

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Speaker 4: lead these women, right. So you've got to put the

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Speaker 4: right pieces together. And it's not just skill set, it's character,

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Speaker 4: it's personality, it's all of it. Experience matters, especially when

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Speaker 4: you get into the playoffs and then Stephanie. You know,

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Speaker 4: in basketball, Jake, pretty much everybody runs the same stuff.

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Speaker 4: You might change your concepts a little bit, you might

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Speaker 4: tweak or change something, but nobody really runs anything that's

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Speaker 4: much different than what another team may run. But so

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Speaker 4: now is how the things change on the floor. And

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Speaker 4: Stephanie White and her staff have done an outstanding job

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Speaker 4: plugging in pieces that work, changing rotations, still learning about rotations.

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Speaker 4: You don't have to worry about complacency. You're never going

741
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Speaker 4: to stay the same. You either going to get better,

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Speaker 4: you're going to get worse. And I think right now,

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Speaker 4: when you get into the playoffs, this is not a

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Speaker 4: team that's just happy to be there. The format has changed.

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Speaker 4: One game on the road, the second game the Fever

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Speaker 4: will play at home. You know, can you imagine the environment.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is a team that's hungry to win,

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Speaker 4: So I wouldn't put anything past them at this point.

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Speaker 1: You know, Stephanie White and I talked about this a

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Speaker 1: little bit, Debbie, but I want to get your perspective

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Speaker 1: on it. The conventional wisdom is that with basketball, you know,

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Speaker 1: it used to be that depending on and I'll speak

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Speaker 1: it from a college level. You know, Bob Knights Indiana

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Speaker 1: team goes out, you know you're going to see the

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Speaker 1: motion offense, and they're playing against North Carolina and Dean

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Speaker 1: Smith's going to run like the four corners, and you know,

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Speaker 1: then you go against UNLV and you know they're going

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Speaker 1: to play obviously, you know, or Nolan Richardson teams are

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Speaker 1: going to trap, you know, I mean all the different

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Speaker 1: ways is has basketball become more i'll say homogenized for

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Speaker 1: lack of a better term, because of the influence of

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Speaker 1: the Summer Aau style of play and thus, as a result,

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Speaker 1: it's become more positionless and less strict in terms of

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Speaker 1: an offensive set that is being run. Is that the

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Speaker 1: overwhelming drive and influence on why it is now? The

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Speaker 1: way that you speak.

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Speaker 4: Positionless, Jake, you know, perimeters and posts, that's pretty much

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Speaker 4: the way you describe it now. And I think what

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Speaker 4: you see is the it's not coaching basketball, it's coaching people. Okay,

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Speaker 4: so you're moving obviously it's coaching basketball, but you're moving

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Speaker 4: pieces around on your team to be able to put

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Speaker 4: them in the best possible ways to highlight their skill set. Look,

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Speaker 4: Kelsey Mitchell can score in any action, Okay. Stephanie White

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Speaker 4: can almost predict or dictate what time on the clock

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Speaker 4: she wants Kelsey in that single side ball screen action

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Speaker 4: with Aleah. Okay, because you got to get a ball

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Speaker 4: reversal to get it back to Kelsey. So these are

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Speaker 4: the things that make Stephanie really good at what she does.

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Speaker 4: There is such a high level IQ and thought process

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Speaker 4: that goes into moving these pieces around these individuals and

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Speaker 4: then getting them to work together and sink in a

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Speaker 4: twenty four second shock lock. And the game is fast,

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Speaker 4: so this decisions are coming fast, angles are coming fast.

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Speaker 4: Space is changing quickly.

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Speaker 2: And you've got to have the ability.

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Speaker 4: To move people into the right spots and set them

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Speaker 4: up for success. And that's what Stephanie and the staff

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Speaker 4: have done really well based on positional lists, perimeters and

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Speaker 4: posts like you described it.

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Speaker 1: We just saw Kelsey Mitchell complete a season with the

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Speaker 1: highest single season scoring average in Fever history. If I'm

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Speaker 1: not mistaken, I believe she surpassed Tamika in that regard.

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Speaker 1: And yet if you look at this roster, I don't

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Speaker 1: think you know there are sometimes Debbie as you know

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Speaker 1: that somebody you know, you look at a team and

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Speaker 1: you go, well, somebody's got to score on that team.

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Speaker 1: And you know, twenty twenty five guys. As I always

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Speaker 1: say to me, this is very situational scoring. And it

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Speaker 1: has come for Kelsey Mitchell in ways that she's been

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Speaker 1: able to score in different ways and in different times

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Speaker 1: when it is needed. What has most impressed you about

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Speaker 1: her that you would say to people that look at

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Speaker 1: it and just assume that she's a volume scorer and

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Speaker 1: not a situational score if that makes sense.

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Speaker 4: High IQ incredible teammate, wants to win more than anything

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Speaker 4: else and would be willing to sacrifice a few shots

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Speaker 4: if it meant they could finish the playoffs at the end, right,

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Speaker 4: like go all the way to the end, and to

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Speaker 4: the end for Kelsey because she's in the moment is

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Speaker 4: forty minutes, it's the next play. It's what you love

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Speaker 4: about her. She's never going to take a playoff. She's

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Speaker 4: going to guard the best offensive player on the perimeter

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Speaker 4: on the other team. She is going to do it

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Speaker 4: without complaining. She's not going to say anything to the officials,

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Speaker 4: and if she does, then she's probably right because that's

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Speaker 4: been her demeanor all season. I absolutely loved Kelsey Mitchell.

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Speaker 4: Now I can say this about a lot of players, Jake,

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Speaker 4: and this is true. I've been watching them all since

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Speaker 4: they were in college. I saw Kelsey play when she

820
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Speaker 4: was an AAU player out of Cincinnati. Okay, I knew

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Speaker 4: Kelsey and I've known her for a long time. I've

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Speaker 4: got Kelsey Mitchell's Ohio state jersey. I've been waiting to

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Speaker 4: wear it. I'm gonna wear it everywhere I go. Now.

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Speaker 4: I'm so proud of what she's become, who she is,

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Speaker 4: how she reps Indiana Fever, and what she means to

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Speaker 4: the WNBA. Right now, there's not a better guard in

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Speaker 4: the league than Kelsey Mitchell, and she should be getting

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Speaker 4: her due. She deserves it, She's earned it, and now

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Speaker 4: she's got a one year of playoff experience from last year,

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Speaker 4: and I expect her to be really good next week.

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Speaker 1: You know another style, Debbie Antonelli is our gad. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about the Indiana Fever here another with every team

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Speaker 1: in Debbie, I want you to tell me, I mean,

834
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Speaker 1: feel free to tell me you've seen this team far

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Speaker 1: in greater detail than have I. So I may be

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Speaker 1: wrong in this, okay, but I always like players that

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Speaker 1: can score for you without it having to be designed

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Speaker 1: for them to score. So in other words, they're opportune scorers.

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Speaker 1: But players that from one game to the next can

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Speaker 1: redefine what it is that they do based on what's

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Speaker 1: needed on that particular night. Now you tell me if

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong. But for this team, the player that has

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Speaker 1: really impressed me in that regard from what I've seen

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Speaker 1: is tash Howard and the fact that she doesn't need

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Speaker 1: to be a frontline scorer and star, but on certain

846
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: nights she can be that if need be, or she

847
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Speaker 1: can help in other areas. I am I giving? Am

848
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Speaker 1: I misreading that?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: And I think that's another testament to Coach White and

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Speaker 4: their staff. They don't put Natasha Howard in situations where

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Speaker 4: she can't be instinctive. She is a very instinctive go

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00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 4: to the glass, drive hard, cut hard, you know, rebound,

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Speaker 4: run the floor. Those are the reasons why the front

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00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 4: office brought her to Indiana, and she has three w

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00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 4: NBA championships. She knows what it takes to win, she

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00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 4: understands it, and I know she's going to have a

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00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 4: strong voice. She's very well respected by her teammates, and

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Speaker 4: I expect that she will will turn it on because

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Speaker 4: it's when she needs to and she understands that.

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Speaker 1: Debbie. Do they in any way, shape or form the

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00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 1: fever change schematically anything in the postseason. Do we see

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Speaker 1: in the postseason typically, whether it be pacing or the

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Speaker 1: way or wrinkles that you're trying to do. Do we

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Speaker 1: see any change from regular season to postseason or is

866
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Speaker 1: it pretty much push in on who you are?

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Speaker 4: I think based on how their roster looks now, based

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Speaker 4: on the amount of reps that they've been able to

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Speaker 4: have together, how Stephanie White and her staff have simplified

870
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Speaker 4: things so that you can plug and play and you

871
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 4: can stay ready and just not be overwhelmed. I do

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Speaker 4: think having some time now today, they have off Tomorrow,

873
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 4: they'll practice Friday, they'll practice Saturday, they'll go travel somewhere.

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Speaker 4: They're gonna have a couple of days to work on themselves.

875
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Speaker 4: I know Stephanie White's gonna bring something, and you've better

876
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Speaker 4: be ready to figure it out. If I get to

877
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 4: call the Indiana Fever playoff games, I'm going to be

878
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 4: looking for that subtle thing that Stephanie will do. It

879
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 4: could be maybe they're going to trap more Boss Greens.

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00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 4: It could be maybe they're gonna do some sort of

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00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 4: isolation with personnel based on who they're playing. They'll be

882
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 4: ready and they'll be a tweak or a change because

883
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Speaker 4: you can't get to the playoffs without stepping up your level.

884
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Speaker 4: And I know this group of players having a couple

885
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 4: of days to practice together, which I don't think they've had,

886
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Speaker 4: will give them a chance to be ready on Sunday. Hey.

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Speaker 1: Lastly, Debbie, when when your son Frankie was in school,

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Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about him on the show. Did

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Speaker 1: they have and I don't know if this is something

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Speaker 1: that's in all states. I know in Indiana, I don't

891
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Speaker 1: know how long it's been around. But did they have

892
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Speaker 1: unified sports when your son was in school?

893
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Speaker 4: They did, And unified sports is something that I championed

894
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Speaker 4: a lot. It gives your peers a chance to compete

895
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Speaker 4: with the athletes. So I've been a unified partner. I've

896
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Speaker 4: played basketball and golf with Frankie. We have. Actually the

897
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 4: last time I played basketball with Frankie, Jacob put a

898
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Speaker 4: GoPro on his head and turned it on and let it.

899
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Speaker 4: Just had fun watching it afterwards. I wanted to see

900
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Speaker 4: what he was doing, what he was seeing, you know

901
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Speaker 4: why I was playing hoops. It's pretty fun. Yeah, they

902
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 4: have it, and I highly encourage anybody to get involved.

903
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Speaker 4: It's a great way to make friends.

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Speaker 1: Well. And here's the thing, and this is why I

905
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Speaker 1: wanted to bring it up. I've got a friend whose

906
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Speaker 1: daughter is a cheerleader at Carmel in unified sports. She's

907
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Speaker 1: a special needs student. And here's what I've noticed, and

908
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Speaker 1: I've noticed this in other people whose children have been

909
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Speaker 1: involved in this, and this is partnering special need students

910
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Speaker 1: with those that are I hate say non special needs.

911
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: That comes off the wrong way, but you get what

912
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Speaker 1: I'm saying. The student athletes and the cheerleaders and whatnot,

913
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Speaker 1: puts them together on the same team. I want to

914
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Speaker 1: encourage Debbie. For people that are listening who don't have

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Speaker 1: a child that's in a special education program or a

916
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Speaker 1: special Olympics program, and who are just going through everyday

917
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Speaker 1: life at school, those are the ones that I think

918
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Speaker 1: benefit almost more from unified sports because I see it

919
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Speaker 1: with these kids that are going out there and working

920
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: with teammates and they're getting almost as much, if not more,

921
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Speaker 1: out of it. And that's not to say it's not

922
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Speaker 1: a huge benefit for Frankie and his friends, but for

923
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Speaker 1: all of them to work as the same team together,

924
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Speaker 1: that to me, people that are listening right now that

925
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Speaker 1: think that it isn't for their student at school, it

926
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Speaker 1: is for every student in school. And I think it's

927
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Speaker 1: an awesome, awesome program.

928
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Speaker 4: We have gone past the error where the special education

929
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Speaker 4: kids and that part of your school are hidden away

930
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Speaker 4: down a hallway where nobody goes. They You only see

931
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Speaker 4: him at lunch. Maybe you might see him at pe.

932
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Speaker 4: That's not where we are now in public school education

933
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Speaker 4: or any education. Quite honestly, my son is working, living

934
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Speaker 4: independently with support. He has down syndrome, and he is

935
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Speaker 4: functioning really well. As a member of society, You're going

936
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Speaker 4: to see people with special needs everywhere you go, in

937
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Speaker 4: every walk of life now, and if you might as

938
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Speaker 4: you might as well learn now to get along and

939
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Speaker 4: figure out a way that you can become friends and

940
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Speaker 4: get involved. It's fun. It's I'm going to tell you

941
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Speaker 4: something my mother told me a long time ago, Jake,

942
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Speaker 4: and I use this as one of my attitudes when

943
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Speaker 4: I'm thinking about all the opportunities I have to share

944
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Speaker 4: this message. That is, I don't have Frankie in my

945
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Speaker 4: life because I did something wrong. I have Frankie because

946
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Speaker 4: I did something right somewhere. And if you think about

947
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 4: getting involved with somebody at your school. There's nothing wrong

948
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Speaker 4: with them. There's something right about them, and if you

949
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 4: get involved with them, you're going to find out what

950
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 4: that right is and you're going to enjoy it and

951
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 4: it's going to be pure joy and it's going to

952
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Speaker 4: give you ten times more than the time that you're

953
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Speaker 4: going to spend.

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Speaker 1: Debbie, I love it, and you know I always enjoy

955
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Speaker 1: seeing those stories and you know, seeing the smiles and

956
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Speaker 1: like I said, all those kids on both sides and

957
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Speaker 1: unified sports are starting out one to oh before the

958
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Speaker 1: season even begins, But Fever want to start out one

959
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Speaker 1: to oh in the postseason. We shall see who it

960
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Speaker 1: is that they're playing when everything gets underway. And certainly

961
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Speaker 1: look forward to talking to you again, Debbie. I know

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Speaker 1: it's been a busy time for I appreciate the time today.

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Speaker 4: You're the best, Jake, Thanks so much. Let's go, Fever.