1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: You were listening to the Best of the Fan morning 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: show on ninety three five and one oh seven five 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: the Fan. You missed it yesterday, James Boyd after that 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: stomping of Syracuse sester Kevin Moohen, is all about Jeremiah 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: Love for the Heisman Trophy. 6 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: Now, that is certainly a conversation we can have. What 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: are the odds right now? You might know starting to 8 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: get a little closer. Mark, you can double check that. 9 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 3: But I want to say, like Jullian Saying and Fernando 10 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 3: Mendoza were both like whatever plus one hundred, very close together, 11 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 3: and I was saying, was pretty quiet against Rutgers. Love 12 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 3: obviously had a huge game, And I want to say 13 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 3: Mendoza is now the notable favorite. But I want to 14 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 3: say second might be Love. 15 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 4: Mendoza's number one minus one twenty five saying plus four hundred, 16 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 4: Jeremiah Love plus four fifty's closing the gap. 17 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 3: So closing the gap a little bit there. So Mendoza 18 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 3: at minus one twenty five, mark, what would you call that? 19 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 5: Like a two. 20 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 3: Point favorite in the NFL on a Sunday something like that. Yeah, 21 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 3: for NFL for people out there trying to make the 22 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 3: comparison now saying is going to get primetime obviously Saturday 23 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 3: Ohio State Michigan for that one. I cannot imagine too 24 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 3: many people will be paying attention nationally to the Bucket 25 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:18,199 Speaker 3: game on Friday night, So we'll see what Mendoza does 26 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 3: and then Notre Dame's at ten thirty Prime slot, ten 27 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 3: thirty time slot on Saturday night. So not ideal either, 28 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 3: But part of me just thinks, whoever wins a Big 29 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 3: Ten title, that's what it'll go to. 30 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, probably whoever, if one of those quarterbacks comes out 31 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: in that game and just has a big game, that'll 32 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: probably be the end of it. But I mean, if 33 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: Jeremiah Love comes up with the like two hundred yards 34 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: and a couple of touchdowns against Stanford, he keeps himself 35 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: right in there. If those two guys maybe play to 36 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: a stalemate and it's a fairly low scoring game, then 37 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: maybe he sneaks in. 38 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 3: Twenty fifteen Heisman Trophy winner. 39 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 4: Oh, I have my college foot. While history is not 40 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:51,559 Speaker 4: that great, Yeah, let me think. 41 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 3: Derrick Henry two thousand and five. It's a Preggie Bushers 42 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety five, Eddie George nineteen eighty five, Bo Jackson 43 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 3: nineteen seventy five, Archie Griffith nineteen sixty five. Mike Garrett, 44 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 3: it's twenty twenty five, the five Sarah running back. 45 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 4: You believe I think he needed. 46 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 5: How much time did you have to yourself yesterday? 47 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 3: Do you believe? 48 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 4: I believe in him. I think he's a great player. 49 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 2: I think that he needed IU or ohiose at the 50 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 2: blink and lose least one game. I don't know how 51 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 2: much it'll factor into I'm not I don't subscribe to 52 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 2: the whole like your team's record is whatever, and we 53 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: just saw last year that Travis Hunter won it without 54 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 2: his team. I believe even you know, being in like 55 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 2: a legitimate big time Bowl game. But I do wonder 56 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 2: if that's a part of the conversation because the other 57 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: two guys are undefeated. 58 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 3: James, what did you think of a lot of people 59 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 3: asking yesterday about Chain Stike and taking the ball in overtime? 60 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 3: I guess A. Were you surprised by that? B What 61 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 3: did you think of stikns rash Down explaining it yesterday? 62 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 2: I was a little surprised by it, just because your 63 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 2: offense is reeling and I would like to know kind 64 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: of not that I play any type of poker or whatever, 65 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 2: but I think if you defend first, you had the 66 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 2: chance to kind of see the opponent's hand before you 67 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 2: show your hand. So if your defense, which to their credit, 68 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 2: I think had been pretty solid all day, now of 69 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,119 Speaker 2: the yards, the total yards are ridiculous, and you don't 70 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: want to give up that many against anybody, but against 71 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 2: my homes and that team, you got to give up something, right, 72 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 2: So I thought they did, okay, And if they come 73 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 2: out there and hold them to a field goal or 74 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: even give up a touchdown, at least you kind of 75 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 2: know what you're up against going forward. So I thought 76 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: he put a lot of pressure on his offense go 77 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 2: out there and not only just score, but to score 78 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 2: a touchdown, because it felt like at that point in 79 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 2: the game there was no way Kansas City wasn't going 80 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 2: to get at least a field goal, and that's exactly 81 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 2: what they did to go win the game. So I 82 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 2: didn't love that decision, not that I hated it all 83 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: that much either, but I was probably like, EH, sixty 84 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: forty on that decision and then his explanation of it, 85 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: I understand, like, you know, wanting to a pressure on 86 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 2: them and kind of wanting to dictate how the game goes. 87 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 4: But I just didn't agree with it. 88 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, he basically he called it. If you look around 89 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 3: the league right now, it's about fifty to fifty teams 90 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 3: taking the ball versus wanting to play defense first and overtime. 91 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 3: You just remind everybody's a ten minute overtime. Each team 92 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 3: gets a possession. The biggest con of course, of taking 93 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 3: the ball is you don't have the must go for 94 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 3: it on fourth down mindset that you would have if 95 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 3: you are taking the ball second, assuming that team who 96 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 3: takes it first has a score there. I didn't have 97 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,799 Speaker 3: too much of it, you know, on my stiching gripes 98 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 3: from Sunday. I guess it wasn't that high in the list, 99 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 3: to be honest with you. First off, I thought your 100 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 3: defense was absolutely gassed, So asking them to go back 101 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 3: out there right away, I don't think would have made 102 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 3: the most sense. 103 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 4: That's the factor I hadn't considered. 104 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: One of argument that Kevin mayde yesterday that I was like, 105 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: you know what, I hear exactly what you're saying because 106 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: void of that, and I think that's a great argument. 107 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 3: By the way, only one argument in three hours. 108 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 4: Yesterday. 109 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 5: I must have been a rough that particular that particular one. 110 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: I like that, and I started thinking a lot more 111 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: about that yesterday throughout the day. But the other side 112 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: of that context is they just hadn't done anything on offense, 113 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: and it just felt like, here's going to be another 114 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: three I mean, it felt like there's going to be 115 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: another three and out. Kansas City has to go thirty 116 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 1: yards to get a field goal, and that's going to 117 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: be the end. 118 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, by no means, I think is one answer, you know, gospel. Now, 119 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 3: Shane didn't really point to the defensive side of it 120 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 3: at all in his explanation yesterday. He pointed more to 121 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 3: a field position. And again, I know we're getting kind 122 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 3: of in the weeds of it. But you know, now, 123 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 3: with the touchback being the thirty five yard line, when 124 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 3: you kick off, you're going to start mostly unless you 125 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 3: commit a penalty, probably right around that thirty five yard line. 126 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 3: Whereas if you get the possession second in overtime, that 127 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 3: is likely to come after a punt. You know, the 128 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 3: cold tobas he went three and out and they punted it. 129 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 3: I forget where Kansas City started their own. 130 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 5: Drive, the inside their own twenty, weren't they. 131 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,799 Speaker 3: So that is obviously a much different field position right there. 132 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 3: So that's what Shane pointed to of a little bit 133 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 3: of field position. If you are not scoring on that 134 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 3: opening drive, you are punting the ball. They started on 135 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 3: their own ten, so think about that. The Colts started 136 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 3: on their thirty three, Kansas City started on their ten. 137 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 3: That's a I mean twenty three yard difference and field 138 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 3: position there. So I think that's what played into a 139 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 3: little bit more of Stikeen's thinking there, but also. 140 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 5: Too that that team had just gone ninety yards. 141 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not saying there is one overwhelming thought. I'm 142 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 3: just trying to It was a question we got probably 143 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 3: more than any yesterday, and so I wanted to make 144 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 3: sure that we brought that up for our audience. 145 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: I think the bigger thing that everybody's been talking about, 146 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: and I know Shane addressed it a little bit yesterday. 147 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: And maybe you have one of those cuts, Mark where 148 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: people were like that fourth quarter you just didn't use 149 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor, what was going on there? And Steiken said, 150 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: you know, I probably could have used used him a 151 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: little bit more on the very last drive, but that 152 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: was really the only ground he was conceding yesterday, Mark 153 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: when he talked about it, well. 154 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 6: I thought, you know, credit to Kansas City. I thought 155 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 6: they did a good job against the run. But there's 156 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 6: obviously some situations there too where I could have probably 157 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 6: called the run and popped a run there looking back 158 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 6: at it, and so we had some stuff on the 159 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 6: call sheet. Felt good about some of those passes. Obviously, 160 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 6: it just it didn't work out, you know, the way 161 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 6: I envisioned it yesterday, And so you always look back 162 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 6: at those things and could I have done this? Could 163 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 6: I have done that? You know, and always look at 164 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 6: that and learn from it and we move forward. 165 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: I think the basic argument that most people would make 166 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: against Shane and you made it yesterday, Kevin. Don't want 167 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on it too, James, is regardless 168 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: of how you feel about your play calls and the 169 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: sheets and everything like that, in that fourth quarter, when 170 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: you had Kansas City on the ropes, readity be put down. 171 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: Perhaps for the rest of the season, you basically ignored 172 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: the best player in the game, Jonvin Taylor just didn't 173 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: get a chance to play a part in helping the 174 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: Coats close that. 175 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that he was getting stuffed all game. 176 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 2: He had the one twenty seven yard run, so you 177 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 2: look at the runs outside of that, it was. 178 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 4: Very bleak. 179 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 2: But my argument even with that was one, JT is 180 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 2: a type where if you just give him a little 181 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 2: bit of time or a little bit of daylight, he 182 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 2: can kind of make some magic happen where others humanly cannot. 183 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 2: But two, the clock is your friend, and so by 184 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 2: throwing it as often that they as they did and 185 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 2: not being able to complete a pass, it essentially gave 186 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 2: Kansas City. I felt like the equivalent of maybe two 187 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 2: more timeouts Kevin, and they literally needed every single second 188 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 2: to push the game into overtime. And one stat, rather, 189 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a stat or just a 190 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 2: fun fact. And I thought about this yesterday. It's like, 191 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 2: please correct me if I'm wrong. The Colts didn't trunct. 192 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 2: They lost, so for what I believe, they had to 193 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 2: lead the entire game and then they got tied there 194 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 2: late and they didn't lose the game until they lost 195 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 2: it on the last second field goal from Harrison Bucker. 196 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 2: And I say that because I felt like the second half, 197 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 2: particularly when it come into fourth coding overtime, especially the 198 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 2: fourth quarter. He called that game like they were down ten, 199 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 2: and I'm like, you're up. Use the clock as your 200 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 2: friend just a little bit. I mean that to me 201 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: is a part of the game management that we've seen 202 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 2: bite stiking in the butt a little bit over the 203 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 2: last couple of years, and it's become I wrote in 204 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 2: I have to go back and look at all the 205 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 2: details of the A few examples I could think of, 206 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 2: but it's become a bit of a theme where when 207 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 2: it comes to clock management game management, every now and 208 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 2: then shame will sort of abandon the run for the 209 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: past because the run isn't working, but also not factoring 210 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 2: in Hey, at least in this case, the clock is 211 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 2: your friend and you got to use all of your 212 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 2: friends to beat up and get past the chiefs. 213 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought you let Kansas City off the hook 214 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 3: by just saying, you know what, you're showing us of 215 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage, non advantageous situations. So therefore we're 216 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 3: not going to try with Jonathan Tawm in the fourth 217 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 3: quarter and second half to win. Taylor's at his best. 218 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 3: You know, I said it quite often yesterday. Even if 219 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 3: you want to take out the ADR run in Germany, 220 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 3: James Taylor still averaging six yards per carry in the 221 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 3: fourth quarter of the season. That's removing the heroic run 222 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 3: in Germany. 223 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 2: But even on that one, did he get stuffed and 224 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 2: we were like, oh, that's nothing. 225 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 3: But that's Taylor. You know, that's what makes us, you 226 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 3: know special. You know, go back to overtime at Atlanta. 227 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 3: He makes those two dudes missing the backfield or he misses, 228 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 3: uh makes Billy Bowman missing the backfield. Then in the 229 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 3: game when he touched down, he makes Jesse Bates miss 230 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 3: in the middle of the field. I go back to 231 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 3: his overtime run yesterday or Sunday. That was a second 232 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 3: and six where he gets bottled up. It looks like 233 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 3: right away and next thing you know, Taylor trudges ahead, 234 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 3: runs through some tackles. It's third and one. 235 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 4: You know, that is him turning exactly. 236 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 3: Leak into something there. Now, this is where I kind 237 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 3: of psycho analyze Shane Steichen a little bit here. He 238 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 3: didn't express a lot of regret yesterday in the lack 239 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 3: of Taylor usage. I think that's a fair statement. You 240 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 3: heard the clip right there. Yeah, maybe a little bit, 241 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 3: or I believe Daniel Owes through the ball right to 242 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 3: thunders ran into each other. It was that drive. So 243 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 3: if he felt good about the passes, eight straight of them, 244 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 3: he made it very clear there was no limitations on 245 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 3: play calling given the injury. Does that main deep down? 246 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 3: He just thinks Daniel Jones stunk in the fourth quarter 247 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 3: yesterday or Sunday perhaps, But also, and again I'm putting 248 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 3: words into Shane Stecken's mouth. He very clear here, but 249 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 3: like he dialed up all these passes for a reason. 250 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 3: He doesn't feel like there was any physical limitations. As 251 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 3: he looks back on it yesterday, he doesn't express a 252 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 3: whole lot of regret. Does he just think Daniel Jones 253 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 3: is bad when he put the ball in his hands? 254 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 3: Because Shane Stiken told the whole world on Sunday, I 255 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 3: believe my quarterback right here. 256 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 2: And here's my push back to that, because I do think, oh, 257 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 2: I have to take Shame's word for my own opinion. 258 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 2: He did stink in that fourth quarter and he couldn't 259 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 2: really make it throws he needs to as of late, 260 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 2: And it wasn't all on DJ. I thought Daniel was 261 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 2: under siege a lot. You know, some of those blitzes 262 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 2: they gave and the looks that they kind of brought, 263 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: the pressure they brought. But to kind of flip that 264 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 2: question a little bit, Kevin, I want to give Shane 265 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 2: like truth zero and be like, how much do you 266 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 2: believe in this guy? Because I do think he has 267 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 2: been a revelation for this team. He has been the 268 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: best quarter thea quarterback they've had in years, probably since 269 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 2: Philip Rivers. But with that in mind, there are still 270 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 2: limitations to Daniel Jones, and I think we're starting to 271 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 2: see that over the last couple of weeks, where when 272 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 2: things aren't perfect, like they pretty much were through the 273 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 2: first eight games of the year, what do you do? 274 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 2: How do you respond? How do you look when things 275 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: aren't perfect? Now he hasn't looked like terrible. I thought 276 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 2: Sunday he played a fine game as far as do 277 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 2: A couple touchdown passes, no turnovers, no sex, but winning time. 278 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 4: I'm like, very what level? Yeah with you? The one 279 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 4: that should have been a pick? 280 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 2: But you know, hey, I could say that about a 281 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 2: couple different players. But all of that in mind, where 282 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 2: does he think he like ranks in the league as 283 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 2: far as quarterbacks? I could just give the ball to 284 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 2: U say, go win a game. 285 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 3: He treated him like it was mahomes right, and that's. 286 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 4: What it felt. I was like, wait a second, no, no, no, 287 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 4: that you don't have that guy. 288 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 2: They do, so maybe you need to take less pressure 289 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 2: or take pressure off of him and trust some other 290 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 2: players in that situation, because I felt like, after you 291 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 2: started the game so hard, I want to hot, I'm sorry, 292 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 2: after you started the game so hot, Daniel, I believe 293 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 2: was fourteen and sixteen passing to start the game, and 294 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 2: I believe he ended five or fifteen. At some point 295 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 2: you got to realize, man, my dude is a little 296 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 2: bit off. 297 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 4: He doesn't have it. 298 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 2: I think after a third down missed the pittman, I 299 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 2: would have been like, all right, we got to figure 300 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 2: out something else to do to alleviate some pressure on him, 301 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 2: besides saying, hey, number seventeen goal, just win this game 302 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 2: for us. 303 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 3: And I think a question that these final six games 304 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 3: will lead to some answers for us. Do NFL teams 305 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 3: now look at the Colts and say, you know what, 306 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 3: if we commit and neutralize Jonathan Taylor early in a game, 307 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 3: Shane Stikeen will not stick with him through the fourth quarter, 308 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 3: even when they have a two score lead on the road, 309 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 3: I mean two score lead on the road. Screams, throw 310 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 3: to score, run to win, scream. 311 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 7: You know what's crazy. I feel like he abandoned his philosophy. 312 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 7: He went away from his own philosophy. So now do 313 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 7: NFL teams look at and say, guys, if we just 314 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 7: show the numbers, they won't give it to Taylor? And that, 315 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 7: to me, I think is a bigger issue of like, 316 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 7: he is your best player. You cannot let the other 317 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 7: team simply dictate to him pre snap that you won't 318 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 7: give the ball to him. 319 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 3: That that that to me is coaching now practice in 320 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 3: eliminating one of your best players and not finding ways 321 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 3: to whatever creatively block it up. Try to get him 322 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 3: the ball. Trust Taylor to say, hey man, you've shown 323 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 3: the ability this year to even when the numbers don't 324 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 3: look great and there's a dude right in your face, 325 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 3: you have an ability to make guys miss. Whereas our 326 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 3: quarter who is the better self creator Jonathan Taylor, Daniel Jones. 327 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 5: It's not even close. It's Jonathan Taylor, So that would 328 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 5: be a question. 329 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: I though, justin checking in on the text line at 330 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: two three nine ten seventy today as many people are. 331 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: He says, can we just stop associating genius with Shane 332 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: It shouldn't be associated with him. The Chiefs were more 333 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: committed to the run than the coach who has the 334 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: best running back in football. Explaining that one to me 335 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: lol Varsity Blues. And he's right about the fact that 336 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: Andy Reid had said during the week, we have got 337 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: to get back to run the football. And they didn't 338 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: have huge bust out runs, but they stayed with it enough. 339 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: I think twenty nine or thirty carries for Kareem Hunting 340 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: he had just at one hundred yards or one hundred and. 341 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 5: Two something like that. 342 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: They never gave up on that run and that allowed 343 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: them to do some of the other things that they 344 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: did throughout the game. 345 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say easier to run the ball against 346 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 2: the Coles so they don't have the Forest Buckner number 347 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 2: ninety nine in the middle of the defense. But yeah, 348 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 2: I think you still have to show some sort of 349 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 2: commitment to your run game to your best player. And 350 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 2: credit to Jonathan Taylor. He will never step out of line. 351 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 2: And you know, we had a chance to follow up 352 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 2: with him after the game. Hey, do you ever talk 353 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 2: to Shane about these players, these scenarios where perhaps you 354 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 2: should touch the ball more, and he's like, Nope, we 355 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 2: just got to go out there and execute what we're given. 356 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 2: So I didn't get like a huge intense of frustration 357 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 2: from JT. 358 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 4: Other than the loss itself. 359 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 2: And I can see why he would take that stance 360 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 2: because to this point, I mean, he's having one of 361 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 2: the most prolific rushing seasons in Colt history, so he's 362 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 2: probably think it's play caller for that to some degree. 363 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 2: But every now and then, I'm just like man Shane, 364 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 2: sometimes you perhaps outthink yourself a bit, and I always 365 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 2: fluctuate myself from going and thinking NFL football is so complicated, 366 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, there's so many different looks and plays. 367 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 2: And look at the All twenty two film, which, for 368 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 2: those listening, the All twenty two film is when you 369 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 2: get all twenty two players on this screen and they 370 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 2: to give you like the raw version of the viewing experience, 371 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 2: the tape versus it's so simple, run the ball. So 372 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: I think that Shan could, you know, look back at 373 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 2: that and maybe have some regret, and maybe some ofre 374 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 2: would be good for him, because this cannot continue to 375 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 2: become a theme I think over the next what six 376 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 2: ringing games of the season and into the playoffs. 377 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 3: James, I know you were all over this yesterday for 378 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,959 Speaker 3: those that were curious about it. One of the more 379 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 3: pivotal plays in the game was that Noah Gray catch 380 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 3: near the Colt's sideline where I believe he's in concussion 381 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 3: protocol right now. 382 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 4: Yah got knocked out on the play. 383 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, and you know, should the Colts have challenged that? 384 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 3: You want to share with change Steak and said about that. 385 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, shame said that. 386 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 2: He asked the official if they got to look at it, 387 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 2: and they said, well, yeah, replay assists stepped in and 388 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 2: ruled it a catch because he was going to challenge it. 389 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 2: So if those listening replay assist I believe they have 390 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 2: a few on site at the stadiums basically other officials 391 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 2: and people that know all the rules. And then they 392 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 2: also have the league office back in New York who 393 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 2: can occasionally step in and say no, no, no, no, no, 394 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 2: don't use this challenge. We've already ruled this a catch 395 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 2: or not a catch, or inbounds not inbounds, those types 396 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 2: of things. And in that case, he didn't use the challenge, 397 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 2: which everyone watching at home, at least in my opinion, 398 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 2: probably was thinking, what the heck are you doing? This 399 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 2: guy was unconscious catching the ball. He didn't catch that. 400 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,239 Speaker 2: He his body went limp. He said, the reps told 401 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 2: him it was a catch, So he just saved the 402 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 2: challenge because if he challenges challenges it at that point, 403 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 2: he's going to lose a challenge, lose the time out 404 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 2: in a pivotal game. 405 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 4: So a unique situation. I don't know if he caught 406 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 4: it or not. I think it's one of those scenarios. 407 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 2: Kevin and I went back and watched the game copy 408 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 2: to see all the angles they showed. 409 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 4: On the game copy. I really didn't see the ball 410 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 4: hit the ground. 411 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 3: I was gonna think it would be difficult to get 412 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 3: the conclusive evidence right either way if they would have 413 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 3: called it incomplete on the field or if they would have. 414 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 4: Called it exactly. 415 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 2: But on the flip side of that, I hear all 416 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 2: the fans, Colt fans in particular, telling me, well, what 417 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 2: is the catch? And I I would agree with them. 418 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 2: I don't know, because the ball moved a little bit. 419 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 2: Is it a catch? 420 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 4: Is it not? I don't know. Did you control it 421 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 4: through the garround. 422 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 2: I feel like every time they show the slow Moore 423 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 2: replays of a catch, I have no idea what they're 424 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 2: gonna call, and then whatever they say, I just have 425 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 2: to roll with it. But yeah, there are some clarity 426 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 2: there for you on that play, which was a huge 427 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 2: one third and eight, you know, turning into fourth and three. 428 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 2: It's a lot different than fourth in a if you 429 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 2: didn't catch that. 430 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, we will take some more of your feedback on 431 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: the fan text line. And also you want to call in, 432 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: we'll do that too. Two three, nine, ten seventy Rob Blackman, 433 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: play by playboys for the Purdue boiler Makers. Going to 434 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: join us at eight thirty this morning. Rick Carlisle, head 435 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 1: coach of the Pacers. 436 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 5: At nine. It's a busy morning here at ninety three 437 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 5: five and one of seven to five the fan. 438 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: We paused from our dissection of the Coults overtime loss 439 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 1: to the Kansas City Chiefs on Sunday to talk football 440 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: on the collegiate level. Number two Indiana taking on Purdue. 441 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: The bucket game coming your way Friday night, seven thirty 442 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: up at Rose Aid and man, we are so lucky, 443 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 1: guys to have some of the play by play voices 444 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: in the state of India. We have, we talked to 445 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: Don all the time in this station. But and I 446 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 1: love Rob Blackman, the voice of the Purdue boiler Makers, 447 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: joins us now on the Payless Liquors Hotline. 448 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 5: Good morning, Rob. 449 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: It is just comforting whether I'm listening to a Purdue 450 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: game or an Indiana game, either one. 451 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 5: Of you, guys. I just feel better when I hear 452 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 5: you guys calling football games. Is that all right? 453 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 8: That was very kind of you to say, And I 454 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 8: am with you in that. I too, am a big 455 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 8: fan of Don Fisher. I don't know if I'm supposed 456 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 8: to admit that publicly as a crew guy, but whenever 457 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 8: I have a chance to catch Fish doing football or basketball, 458 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 8: I always tune in. So but yes, thank you for 459 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 8: the kind of words. 460 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 3: Rob Blackman, with his air of voice of the Boilers. 461 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 3: Let's begin with what happened over the weekend. What they 462 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 3: did in Texas Tech was quite impressive, by the way. 463 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 3: I'm sure the Bahamas treated you quite well. Purdue once 464 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 3: again doing Purdue things. When it comes to non conference slate, 465 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 3: particularly on neutral floors, Rob, I thought something that stood 466 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 3: out to me was and not like diminish Brainsmith and 467 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 3: drink Off and Ren. But you got that done, and 468 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 3: you can make the argument their two best players were 469 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 3: Fletcher Lawyer and CJ. 470 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 4: Cox. 471 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 3: Like that to me, I think kind of further stands 472 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 3: out to what Purdue could potentially be this season. 473 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 8: Well here's how you can. You can you can have 474 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 8: tangible evidence to your argument. Neither two of the All 475 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 8: Americans even made the Alternament team. Fletcher Lawyer made it 476 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 8: and Oscar Cluff made it. So we mentioned the same 477 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 8: thing on the postgame show where like, think about this, 478 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 8: Purdue has two preseason All Americans and neither one of 479 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 8: them even made the alternament team here in the Bahamas. 480 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 8: So yeah, that certainly speaks to the depth of Purdue. 481 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 8: And I'm with you. I think if you know, if 482 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 8: they would have added one more position to the alternament team, 483 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 8: it would have been CJ. 484 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 9: Cox because of how he played. 485 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 8: In both of those games, you know what, I think 486 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 8: he had ten points and then Texas Tech game and 487 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 8: more importantly had eighteen. I'm pretty sure it wasn't a 488 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 8: Memphis game. So yeah, it certainly does speak the depth 489 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 8: of Purdue. And then you look at the guys that 490 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 8: played off the bench. You know, I thought Daniel Jacobson 491 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 8: played really well off the bench for purduees as well 492 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 8: as Omer Meyer. So yeah, it's kind of it is 493 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 8: is a Purdue fan gets awful comforting to know that 494 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 8: you can go win a tournament like that, win the 495 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 8: championship game by thirty points against the fifteenth fifteenth ranked 496 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 8: team in the country, and at least on paper, the 497 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 8: two guys that are the best players on your team 498 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 8: didn't even make the all tournament team. 499 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 2: To that point, Rob, how much do you think Daniel 500 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 2: Jacobson in particular is just enjoying the ability to play 501 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 2: this year. Only appeared, I believe in two games last 502 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 2: year for the season ending leg injury, and now he's 503 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 2: getting re acclimated into a team that obviously has very 504 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 2: high expectations. 505 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 8: Yeah, and you know it's he played that first full 506 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 8: game last year and then broke his foot one minute 507 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 8: into game number two, So you know, you're sixty literally 508 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 8: sixty seconds into the second game of your career and 509 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 8: you're on the shelf for the season. So yes, the 510 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 8: fact that he is finally getting an opportunity to play 511 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 8: and play extended minutes now Look, I know against Memphis Thursday, 512 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 8: he played I think only five six minutes in the game, 513 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 8: but he did affect the game. I mean, he still 514 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 8: had I don't know, six points, a couple of rebounds, 515 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 8: played nearly twenty minutes in the championship game. But certainly 516 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 8: the fact that he's getting a chance to play. One 517 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 8: thing that has really helped him the last two summers 518 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 8: is he's played for Team USA and the feed the 519 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 8: games for the U eight teams and the U nineteens. 520 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 8: So that's been pretty significant for him because at least 521 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 8: he was still especially this past summer, you know, you 522 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 8: come off a season where you didn't literally do anything 523 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 8: because of a broken foot. At least he had those 524 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 8: few weeks to play with USA Basketball. But look, he's 525 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 8: you know, he's. 526 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 9: Not Zach Heed. 527 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 8: He certainly very few will ever be as good as 528 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 8: that guy was. But he is seven toot four, he's 529 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 8: very long, he's athletic, and he can affect shots at 530 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 8: the rim. Offensively, he does have a good skill level, 531 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 8: not great. You know, you can see that's kind of 532 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 8: coming around, But yeah, you can't. You know, you don't 533 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 8: coach seven foot four, right, And that's what Purdue desperately needed. 534 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 8: Last year, they had no rim protection. I've told this 535 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 8: story many a time. So Purdue goes all the way 536 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 8: to the Sweet sixteen last year despite having the worst 537 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 8: two point defense in the country and not the second worst, 538 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 8: the worst two point defense in the country because Purdue could. 539 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 9: Not protect the rim. 540 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 8: If you got into the paint last year, you were 541 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 8: you were probably getting the bucket. 542 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 9: You either getting fout or you're getting the bucket. 543 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 8: And that has changed this year, and Daniel Jacobson is 544 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 8: a big part of that. 545 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: Talking to Rob Blackman, the play by playboys of the 546 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: Purdue Boiler Akers football basketball, and we've got a little 547 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 1: bit of a game coming up on Friday night, I'm 548 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: just curious from your standpoint, we know that they're better 549 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 1: than they were a year ago, but what does Purdue 550 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: have to offer on Friday night. 551 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 8: Yeah, let's start with the fact that Purdue is better. 552 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 8: It's certainly again, when you're looking for tangible evidence and 553 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 8: wins and losses, you're not seeing it. You know, Purdue 554 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 8: has two wins this year. Last year and they only 555 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 8: won one game. But I you know, I look, I 556 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 8: saw coach Signetti's comment yesterday this Presco Conference. He sees 557 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 8: it too. Purdue has improved produce playing hard. Purdue does 558 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 8: have a plan. Uh just don't have enough good players 559 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 8: right now. And look when you bring in whatever it was, 560 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 8: seventy some new players to try to put together a 561 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 8: team in the off season and then thirty of those 562 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 8: guys rolled on the after spring, you know, it's kind 563 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 8: of hard to piece together, especially in the Big Ten. 564 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 8: So what what does your direct question was, what does 565 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 8: Purdue have to offer? Purdue is going to play hard, 566 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 8: and Purdue is going to have a plan. The problem, 567 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 8: of course, is Indiana is just so good and so 568 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 8: well coached and so many talented players. 569 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 9: All over the field. You guys know this, at the 570 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 9: end of the day. 571 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 8: It comes down to players, right You're going to if 572 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 8: you have good coaches on both sides, if you have 573 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 8: if you have you know, a good game plan on 574 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 8: both sides, that's great. But at the end of the day, 575 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 8: one team is going to have the better players, and 576 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 8: that team right now is Indiana and that's what Purdue 577 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 8: is striving to get to and and you know they'll 578 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 8: try to do that with with the sign period next weekend, 579 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 8: with her next week I should say, with high school kids, 580 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 8: and then they'll certainly be active in the transfer portal. 581 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 8: But it has been comforting the losses of stunt don't 582 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 8: don't please, don't misunderstand me this year, but it has 583 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 8: been comforting to know when you go to a Purdue 584 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 8: football game, at least you can see that there's some structure. 585 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 8: You can see that there's a plan, you can see 586 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 8: that they are well coached. It's just now a matter 587 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 8: getting you know, the old You have to have some 588 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 8: better Jimmy's and Joe's, and that's what Purdue's going to 589 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 8: have to strive to get in the off season. 590 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 3: Rob, is this a little double dip action on Friday? 591 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 3: How many times have we had this on campus noon 592 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 3: right for the hoops against Eastern Illinois and then the 593 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 3: Bucket game of course the rare Friday night seven o'clocker. 594 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 8: I appreciate you asking that question, because that is a 595 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 8: question that is being asked around the athletic department for 596 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 8: the last two or three weeks, and no one seems 597 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 8: to know the answer. And I think the answer is 598 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 8: because it's never happened. 599 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 9: Now. 600 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 8: Look, Purdue basketball and football have played on the same day, 601 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 8: but we were both at home. We are we are 602 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 8: almost certain of that. No one can seem to find 603 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 8: a record of that the last time this has happened. 604 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 8: So it's going to be a long, long day for sure. 605 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 8: And with you know, football is not even kicking off 606 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 8: till seven forty five, so and basketball tips off at noon. 607 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 8: So I the folks I feel the worst four guys 608 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 8: actually are the folks that help on the periphery, you know, 609 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 8: like the ushers and the folks that park the cars, 610 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 8: and the concession workers and all those folks, because they're 611 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 8: you know, they're they're going to be double dipping too. 612 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 8: So rest up on Thanksgiving Day because man, Friday is 613 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 8: going to be a long, long day. 614 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 5: Get your massed potatoes, Rob Cart, Baby. 615 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 8: Hey, trust me, I've never been one to be bashful about. 616 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 9: Going back for seconds. 617 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 8: So let's not let's not even consider that. 618 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: I'm right there with you, man, when it comes to 619 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: the Thanksgiving dinner, like, just load up. That's my one 620 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: excuse each year to just to eat as many mashed 621 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: potatoes as I can stuff down the gullet. 622 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 5: Man, So have a good outs. 623 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 9: Are you are you guys leftover guys? Because I'm on 624 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 9: the leftover. 625 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 8: Oh, I'll go through Sunday through Sunday night on the 626 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 8: Thanksgiving leftovers. 627 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 9: It doesn't bother me at all. 628 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 5: That's the way to do it. 629 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, So Sunday night is a lem me Rob. 630 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 2: After that, I'm looking at just how ways Monday, Monday, 631 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 2: the next week comes, the work week comes, I'm probably 632 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 2: looking like, all right. 633 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 3: I'm trying to stink up the fridge. 634 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 8: Yeah. 635 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 2: I to make sure Rob is healthy enough to continue 636 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 2: his great calls for the pretty boldmakers. 637 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 5: We're just thinking of you, Rob, that's all we're doing. 638 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 3: Happy Thanksgiving, Rob. 639 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 9: Thanks. 640 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 8: Okay, gentlemen, thank you, Talk to you soon. 641 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 3: The head coach he is Rick Carlisle coach, Good morning 642 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 3: to you. 643 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 9: How are you okay? 644 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 3: Last night? The effort to get back in it, I 645 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 3: thought it was one of your better bench performances of 646 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 3: the season. What do you see from some of those 647 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 3: individuals and just in general, you guys getting it to 648 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 3: a point where you know you obviously had a shot 649 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 3: to force it in overtime. 650 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 10: Yeah, the second half was way better than the first half. 651 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 10: Get do better job of closing quarters. We had a 652 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 10: we had worked hard to get the lead back at 653 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 10: the end of the first and then had a couple 654 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 10: of miscues that put us down I think three points, 655 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 10: and just you know, the ability to play from in 656 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 10: front is always important in NBA games. Second quarter was 657 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 10: our bad quarter. We lost by thirteen, and so that 658 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 10: got us, you know, a sixteen point deficit, and then 659 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 10: you know, coming out of halftime, we just said, we said, look, 660 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 10: let's let's go out there and win the first five 661 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 10: minutes and then and then go from there and and 662 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 10: get ourselves back into this thing. 663 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 9: And uh, the. 664 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 10: Guys fought hard. We had we had a lot of 665 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 10: good performances off the bench as you mentioned, and gave 666 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 10: ourselves a chance, but a disappointing ending. 667 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 9: And then you know, at nine. 668 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 10: Seconds left, I mean, Ben misses, the Ben gets a 669 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 10: good look in the corner, the shot misses, and Pascal 670 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 10: goes up for the rebound and gets thrown to the floor, 671 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 10: and then there's a miss a miss. Well there's a 672 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 10: there's a no call of a foul that should have 673 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 10: been called, and so that was that was disappointing too. 674 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 10: But in stretches like this, you know a lot of 675 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 10: things don't go your way and you just gotta you 676 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 10: gotta stay positive. And you gotta keep slugging rick to. 677 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 2: That point when you know you're going to get a 678 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 2: two minute report that you might not like. What's your 679 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 2: reaction to just that part of it. 680 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 10: Yeah, we have a we have a rating system that 681 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 10: comes out every day for every time there's a game, 682 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 10: and you know that's that's an opportunity to reflect your 683 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 10: your feelings about things and give uh, you know, give 684 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 10: give the feedback. And so look, it's disappointing, but you know, 685 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 10: the referees they're not trying to miss calls. You know, 686 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 10: it's just a it's the men not machines proposition, a 687 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 10: very difficult job. Thousands of events that happened over forty 688 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 10: eight minutes with the clock, you know, ticking, and uh, 689 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 10: you know, you got to hope that you've you've stacked 690 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 10: enough good plays to be able to absorb a situation 691 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 10: like that. But you know, last night that was that 692 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 10: was not the case. I I knew about it after 693 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 10: the game. I didn't go into it with the media 694 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 10: because you know, h yeah, right now, we can't just 695 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 10: be into sour grapes. You know, we've got to we've 696 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 10: got to find ways to get to get better each day. 697 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 4: To that point. 698 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 2: Rick, looking at the night that Jars Walker had, it 699 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 2: was a very positive knight for him overall. What did 700 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 2: you like about how he pick and shows his spots 701 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 2: on both sides of the floor. 702 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 10: Yeah, one of his better games for sure, and shows 703 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 10: what he's capable of. And uh, you know we need him. 704 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 10: I mean, this is this is a great opportunity for him. 705 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 10: I mean we've kind of labored that whole thing on 706 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 10: this show many times and last night was terrific and 707 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 10: he was a big reason we got back in the game. 708 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 3: Rick Carlisle with the Sarrogon Pacers North of the Border 709 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 3: coming up tomorrow, it'll be the Toronto Raptors, who've been very, 710 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 3: very good to start this season. And Rick is with 711 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 3: this year on the Payless Slickers hot line. You started 712 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,959 Speaker 3: Andrew demart on Kate Cunningham last night, Coach, and I 713 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 3: know you talked about with us in the off season 714 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 3: just how much you put on Andrew's plate, and part 715 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 3: of it is, frankly, I don't know how many other 716 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 3: options you have, but how do you kind of balance 717 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 3: Andrew's defensive responsibilities right now with getting another ball handler 718 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 3: at times on the floor with him to help him 719 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 3: out offensively in all the responsibilities that you probably need 720 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 3: him to handle. 721 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 10: Well, last night there was really no choice. I mean, yeah, 722 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 10: we have all the numbers of all the guys that 723 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 10: have guarded Cunningham and it's not even close. We had 724 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 10: to have Andrew guard him, and so you know, he 725 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 10: did a tremendous job. And if you really watch the 726 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 10: fourth quarter and all the things that were going on 727 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 10: on and off the ball, I mean, it was just 728 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 10: it was miraculous the way he was navigating over screens 729 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 10: and everything else. And Cunningham still scored a few baskets 730 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 10: and a couple of times he got switches and scored. 731 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,719 Speaker 10: But some nights there just simply is no choice. 732 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 9: We may be able to alleviate, you. 733 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 10: Know, the matchup situation, maybe for short stretches during the game. 734 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 10: I think Walker guarded him a little bit last night, 735 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 10: But you know, Cunningham right now is you know, he's 736 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 10: one of the top players in the world and you've 737 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 10: got to have your best guy on him as best 738 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 10: as often as you can. 739 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 3: You said postgame last night that it's a hard league 740 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 3: right now to score in. Is that with how the 741 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 3: game has been like officiated early in the season, what 742 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 3: you're seeing defensively, it was kind of curious if you 743 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 3: had any more on that. 744 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 10: Right now, Well, we're having trouble scoring, so and look, 745 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 10: I mean right now with our challenges, uh, you know, 746 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 10: from a personnelse going injuries and all that, we just 747 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 10: got to be really on point. I mean, our defense 748 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:25,720 Speaker 10: has got to be tuned to its best, its best version. 749 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 10: We've got to be square and not getting our hands 750 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 10: involved otherwise the other team marches to the bonus. And 751 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 10: then you know, we we've got to avoid miscues on offense. 752 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 10: You know, first half last night we had some really 753 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 10: good opportunities and there were a couple of times we 754 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 10: we threw the ball away and transition when when we 755 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 10: had some space and had some numbers and just just 756 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 10: just made a play that wasn't quite there. And so 757 00:34:55,640 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 10: you know, these things pile up quickly. And know a 758 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 10: couple a couple of the wrong plays at the wrong 759 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 10: time can take can take you out of a very 760 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 10: strong position. And so but those are those are avoidable things. 761 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 10: We'll keep looking at him and keep looking at ways 762 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 10: to uh to get better with it. 763 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 9: Rick. 764 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 2: We saw an update from Halla Burton share via his 765 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 2: social media with him dunking using his right leg right 766 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 2: Achilles dad. He obviously ruptured in Game seven of the finals. 767 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 2: Your thoughts on the progress he's making through his recovery. 768 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 9: He's doing great, He's great. I mean he was. 769 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 10: He posted a thing dunk in a month ago too. 770 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 10: I think that was off of two feet. I didn't 771 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 10: see the one yesterday. But it's all it's all very 772 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 10: very positive stuff, and it's, uh, it's a it's amazing, 773 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 10: you know, the way guys can recover these days with 774 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,839 Speaker 10: some of the medical and rehab advances, et cetera, et cetera. 775 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 10: And he's in there the bust in his butt every 776 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,800 Speaker 10: single day, you know. So it's it's great to see 777 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 10: and uh, you know, we'll look forward to having it 778 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 10: back next year. 779 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 3: Pacers again in Toronto coming up tomorrow night. Then they'll 780 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 3: be at home. We get the tree lighting game on Friday. 781 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 3: It'll be Washington in Chicago coming up this weekend. Coach 782 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 3: in general, with Pascal this season and obviously the tyres 783 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 3: laws I would assume is impacting this, how much more 784 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 3: just doubling or attention are you seeing around how teams 785 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 3: are defending Pascal Siakam. 786 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 10: Touns. I mean, you know, he's he's getting double team 787 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 10: in the post. There was a play he cut the 788 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 10: ball in the elbow last night and put it on 789 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 10: the floor and then there were two or three guys 790 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,320 Speaker 10: swarming and it turned into a jump ball or something, 791 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,720 Speaker 10: and yeah, it's it's uh, you know, we we've really 792 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 10: gotta be on point with our spacing to give him 793 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 10: room to operate. And and this is this is one 794 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 10: of the things that is important right now. We we 795 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 10: gotta we've got to play with the correct temple for 796 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 10: us by playing faster. You know, we can, we can 797 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 10: play in more space, et cetera, but we can't. We 798 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 10: can't do that at the expense of unnecessary and controllable turnovers, 799 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 10: you know. And so in the case of Andrew and Pascal, 800 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 10: I mean, these are our two top guys right now, 801 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 10: and they're getting a lot of attention. I mean you 802 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 10: saw last night Sark Thompson is all over all over 803 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 10: Andrew and yeah, really I thought to a point of excess. 804 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 10: The referee didn't agree with me, but it was it 805 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 10: was over the top with physicality, and so you know, 806 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,800 Speaker 10: we've got to try to protect those guys, coach. 807 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 3: Will end of this and obviously happy Thanksgiving to you 808 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 3: and the family. 809 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 5: Uh. 810 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 3: You know annually the pacers are super out in the 811 00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 3: community this time of year. We saw Aaron E. Smith 812 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 3: I think took for host and the dinner you guys 813 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 3: do there in the lobby. I know Lloyd Pierce has 814 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 3: got his code drive coming up next week for you. 815 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,359 Speaker 3: The latest on Driving Dish. We've talked about the food 816 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 3: insecurities around Marin County and even it's expanded outside of 817 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 3: that here over the last year or so. What's new 818 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:16,880 Speaker 3: is driving. 819 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 10: Dish Well, I've mentioned that, you know, last summer we 820 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 10: got an amazing amount of support from ownership. They put 821 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 10: ten million into the program to assure that it goes 822 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 10: on for a long time. It has expanded outside Indianapolis. 823 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 10: We've raised more money each year, and we've streamlined the 824 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 10: program so it's it's the most efficient version ever and 825 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 10: we're very proud of it. And you know, this time 826 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 10: of year is when it's really important because Indiana does 827 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 10: not have a food shortage, but the people that need 828 00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 10: food suffer because the logistics are challenging, and so driving 829 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 10: Dish facilitates the logistics that bring food to people that 830 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 10: need it. So we're very happy about that and we 831 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 10: hope people take advantage of it. 832 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 3: Do you have a must have? A must go to? 833 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 3: On the plate of Rick Carlisle for Thanksgiving? 834 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 10: Pretty much basic stuff, just only request they have is 835 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 10: that pumpkin pie is chilled? 836 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 3: No chilled pumpkin pie? Are you a whipped cream action? 837 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:30,839 Speaker 10: Yeah? 838 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 9: Sure, why not? 839 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 3: Why not? 840 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:34,839 Speaker 4: That's usually the reaction right on thanks again? 841 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 2: Why not? 842 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,360 Speaker 3: Why not? You know at that point you might as 843 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 3: well throw that on top Pacers up in Toronto coming 844 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 3: up tomorrow and again home games this weekend with Washington 845 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 3: and Chicago. Coach safe travels and appreciate the time. Happy Thanksgiving. 846 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 10: Okay, likewise, you guys take here.