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Speaker 1: Well, the special session is off to a fabulous start.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they had, well, Governor Mike bron had announced that

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Speaker 2: it would be November third, right, Initially, Yeah, there was

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Speaker 2: a suggestion. It was a soft suggestion. You have to

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Speaker 1: So that's like, you really should do this. The hard

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Speaker 1: suggestion is you will do this. So he had soft

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Speaker 1: suggested November third. Now, in all seriousness, here is how

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Speaker 1: a special session works in the state of Indiana. There

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Speaker 1: is a forty day window from whenever the governor declares

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Speaker 1: the special session. So that's when the clock starts ticking.

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Speaker 1: They have forty days to get done from that time.

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Speaker 1: They could wait fifteen days to start, they could wait

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Speaker 1: They just have forty days to get it done from whatever.

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Speaker 1: So this is like, you know, look, it made the headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's this huge deal. You could look at it and say,

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Speaker 1: then not go that day? Because they came out yesterday

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Speaker 1: not going on November third. And it does make sense

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Speaker 1: able to plan for this. Ron makes the announcement. Now

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Speaker 1: you got people have jobs, they have maybe somebody who's

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Speaker 1: The problem is it's been so it's not even this issue,

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Speaker 1: It just feeds the anger, it feeds the animosity. It Look,

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Speaker 1: what they know where the people are. Where they know

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Speaker 1: the last special session was on abortion. As soon as

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Speaker 1: They did it they got their thing done and they

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Speaker 1: Even if abortion was a controversial issue, their base, the

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Speaker 1: you can debate should it be ten weeks, should it

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Speaker 1: They've got a pretty strong pro life They came up

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Speaker 1: They don't have agreement in their own party. Look, I

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Speaker 1: conservative and liberty mind as you can get. And I

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Speaker 2: I thought it was reported by some people that Donald

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Speaker 1: And say what, please have I told you about Ted?

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Speaker 2: The carrot and the stick.

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Speaker 1: And if you don't, but what I mean, we've seen. Look,

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Speaker 1: these these people in Washington, d C. Don't know how

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Speaker 2: Well, they've been giving soft suggestions, yeah, but now they're

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Speaker 1: But they have been doing it in a manner that

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Speaker 2: He should go again, show off as new tattoo.

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Speaker 1: Look at how cool it is that I got to

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Speaker 2: So the next regular session begins to in January. You've

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Speaker 1: I'm not convinced this is going to be a long process.

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Speaker 1: I think Rod Bray, the pro tim the leader of

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Speaker 1: Ron is trying to bully and dare the lawmakers into

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Speaker 2: He's not even getting named in the tweet from the governor.

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Speaker 1: Oh this is great.

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Speaker 2: So I appreciate the leadership of Speaker Houston and House

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Speaker 1: Yeah, did you notice I caught that. I love that

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Speaker 2: So Canada filing for the twenty six primary opens January seventh.

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Speaker 2: You've got some people who are ready to go, like

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Speaker 1: Well, and I don't think that's helpful that she sprints

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Speaker 1: you know this inspector General. So Jennifer Ruthgan, most people

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Speaker 1: and her immediate reaction is must grift, grift, must continue.

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Speaker 1: I know, I'll run for Congress for Congress. And so

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Speaker 1: go to all this effort if that's the sort of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think when it comes to this date moving around,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you have to be understanding. They have other jobs,

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Speaker 2: they have other responsibilities, they have a life outside of

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Speaker 2: being legislators. They're part time. Yeah, they'll get to it, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and most likely on November eighteenth.

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Speaker 1: It's one of these things where it's newsworthy because it's

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Speaker 1: and I actually I have no gut feeling on it

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Speaker 2: Well that shows you the lack of passion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because on one day and I can't see it

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Speaker 1: he will be done. Just pack it up. He might

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Speaker 1: as well just I mean, I don't want him to

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Speaker 1: he might as well, just like you know those mob

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Speaker 1: well just become that because he's done if this fails.

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Speaker 1: But I, like, I just I can't both of these outcome.

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Speaker 1: But I also can't see Rod Bray just rolling over

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Speaker 1: trying to big time him. The Governor's trying to big

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