1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: Live from the Hartbiner and the Crossroads of America. 2 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz Today. 3 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: Well, hey there, everybody, I am not Tony Katz. I'm 4 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: Andrew Langer in for Tony Today. I think he's back tomorrow. 5 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: I hope he is. So glad I can join you 6 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: and you can join me. Love spending my time in 7 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 1: Indianapolis and elsewhere where The Tony Kats Today Show is 8 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: syndicated as well. Was just out in India a couple 9 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: of weeks ago. Had a great trip, so much fun. 10 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: Learned a lot about Radio Ligen Therapy and the amazing 11 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 1: stuff that's being done there and the investment that Indiana 12 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: is making in creating the conditions where innovation is possible, 13 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: because like, if this doesn't happen in a vacuum, why 14 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: do I sure you all understand this that that you know, 15 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 1: America works overtime and has worked overtime over the last 16 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty years to create the conditions where 17 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: we can innovate, where people can invest in themselves and 18 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: their ideas. And obviously when it comes to policy, it 19 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: gets even more in depth than that. And so whether 20 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: it is the Indiana University making investments or Purdue making 21 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: investments or other major institutions making investments in in education 22 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: where kids are finding the right jobs in the cutting 23 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: edge industries. Creating the regulatory climate, which in my day 24 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: job with CEPEC, that's a lot of what I do 25 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: on the regulatory front. All of these things are important. 26 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: By the way, I'm Andrew Langer. If you haven't caught 27 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: win to that, you can follow me on Twitter on 28 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: x at Andrew Underscore Langer. 29 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: Find out everything that I'm up to. 30 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: It's been a banner week in terms of op eds 31 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: be published on a variety of things having to do 32 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: with healthcare policy, regulatory policy. It's all it's all good. 33 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: So lots of things happening in the news. Obviously there 34 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: was a big, big story this week. I'm getting ready tomorrow. 35 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: I do every couple of months, I do a like 36 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: a crossfire kind of show that's based out of Baltimore. 37 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:27,119 Speaker 1: It's called Square Off, and you know it is it's 38 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 1: two lefties, two conservatives, and one of the topics of 39 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: conversation is, of course Donald Trump's cabinet meeting is what's 40 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: going on with Donald Trump? 41 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: Is Donald Trump chrule? 42 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah, blah and Scott Bessent, our Treasury secretary, 43 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: got asked this and the New York Times thing, and 44 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: he wasn't having any of it. Let's go ahead, land 45 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: and play cut number nine. 46 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 3: You had what was the greatest, one of the greatest 47 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 3: scandals of all time, that the coverage of the Biden 48 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 3: administration at job. 49 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: For a second, hold on, let me, let me, let 50 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 1: me set this up because is the first part of 51 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 1: the clip. 52 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: Isn't in there. 53 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: So he has asked about this about whether or not 54 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: Donald Trump fell asleep at the cabinet meeting, and this 55 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: idea that somehow Donald Trump. 56 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 2: Is too old. Now, listen, we can have this conversation. 57 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: I'm willing to have this conversation in a way that 58 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: our friends on the left were never willing to have 59 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: a conversation when it came to Joe Biden, and you 60 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: know Joe Biden's infirmities. In fact, I would, even as 61 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: they're both older gentlemen, stack our guy against their guy, 62 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: you know, seven days a week and twice on Sundays. 63 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: So anyway, he's asked about this, this is his response. 64 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and play nine again. 65 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 2: There, you had what. 66 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 3: Was the greatest one of the greatest scandals of all time, 67 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 3: that the coverage of the Biden administration, Joe Biden's diminished 68 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 3: capacity and the cover up and where was the. 69 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 2: New York Times. 70 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 3: We just had a three hour cabinet meeting yesterday, Andrew. 71 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 3: For ten months the Biden administration did not have a 72 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 3: cabinet beating. How are you going to invote the twenty 73 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:12,119 Speaker 3: fifth Amendment if the cabinet secretaries never see the president, 74 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 3: which they didn't that you know, I hear from people 75 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 3: in the Treasury building. Then I see President Trump more 76 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 3: in a day then my predecessor saw Joe Biden in 77 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 3: half a year. 78 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: So yeah, he's out there. He's doing it. 79 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: He's making these public, unscripted public appearances. Now, if there 80 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: comes a point where all of a sudden it comes 81 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: out that Donald Trump is on this full on script 82 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: and he's got flashcards with the questions that he's being asked, 83 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: and he's got flashcards that have the pictures of reporters 84 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: on them, yeah, let's have the conversation. You know, by 85 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 1: the way, I would be I would be perfectly happy 86 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: if Donald Trump one day decides that he's going to 87 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: step aside and JD. Vans would be president of the 88 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: United States. I would be perfectly happy with that. I 89 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: would be perfectly happy of JD. Van steps aside and 90 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: Mark our Rubia becomes president. Would be happy with all 91 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: of those things, all of those things. In fact, we're 92 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: gonna we're going to talk about Mark Ruby in a second. 93 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: But Bessent got pressed on this. Here here he is 94 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: talking about it. Hell, let's put out number. 95 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 3: Ten, soll he'll call me, Scott. 96 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 2: I didn't wake you, did you? 97 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 3: No, sir, I'm always awake at a Tuesday, and I 98 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 3: get We we did the. 99 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 2: Trip to Alaska. 100 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 3: We did a round trip one day, and we arrived 101 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 3: back the rest of the cabinet, Secretary of Rubio, uh, 102 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 3: Secretary of Leutnik, and I, you know, our batteries are out. 103 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 3: We land the Ed Andrews and the President's oh it's 104 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 3: morning in Europe. 105 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 2: Now. 106 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 3: I think we had spent probably twenty hours in the 107 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 3: air in Alaska, and he said, let's start making phone 108 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 3: calls and call the European leaders. 109 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 2: So we had to sit on there. 110 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 3: We sent on the Tarma for two more hours while 111 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 3: he made phone calls. He never stops working for the 112 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 3: American people. All right, that's incredible. I want to tell you, 113 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 3: you know, it's funny. 114 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: I am reminded of one of the greatest Saturday Night 115 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: Live sketches ever. And obviously I've gone back and got 116 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: back into that well quite a bit because it is 117 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: the fiftieth anniverse. Now it's the fifty first season, the 118 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: fiftieth anniversary of SNL. I cannot recommend enough. By the 119 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: way the documentary, Downey wrote that if you love comedy 120 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: and you love good comedy writing, Downey wrote, that is fantastic. 121 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: It's about the famed SNL and David Letterman writer Jim Downey. 122 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: One of the greatest SNL sketches of all time obviously 123 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: has Phil Hartman in it. Phil Hartman is Reagan, and 124 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: of course the idea is, you know that Reagan was 125 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: out to lunch, that his dementia had kicked in, that 126 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:57,119 Speaker 1: he wasn't all there. And this sketch with Phil Hartman 127 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: as Ronald Reagan paints Reagan as not just engaged, but 128 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: engaged at like a. 129 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 2: Super evil genius level. 130 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: And I know this obviously Reagan was not evil, but 131 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: it is so good in terms of how he does 132 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: this and and and he's able to speak Arabic, and 133 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: he's able to speak German, and he's able to do 134 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: complex math. I highly recommend it, cannot recommend it enough. 135 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: So we were talking with Scotty Hughes. And by the way, 136 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: if I didn't say that, this week got a great 137 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: hour coming up on the show. We're going to be 138 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: joined in a couple of minutes by Jerry Rodgers from 139 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: Real Clear Policy. We got Guy Bentley from Reason joining us. 140 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the neo temperance movement with 141 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: Guy Bentley. You're gonna want to stay tuned for that. Yeah, 142 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: there are people out there who literally want to ban 143 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: alcohol once again. But we were talking with Scotty Hughes 144 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: about Venezuela and you know, Marco Rubio, I think I think. 145 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 2: Has has said it best. Let's go ahead and play 146 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: cut number eleven Landon. 147 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 4: Oh. 148 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 5: So, you know, it's interesting if an aircraft carrier of 149 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 5: the United States was deployed off the coast of Japan, 150 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 5: or was the coast on the Pacific somewhere, or was 151 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 5: deployed in the Mediterranean or somewhere off the coast of Europe, 152 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 5: everybody would be happy because it would show America's commitment 153 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 5: to our security partnerships that we have around the world. 154 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 5: But somehow of an aircraft carrier and our naval assets 155 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 5: are deployed in our own hemisphere, that's problematic. I would 156 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 5: say that if you're focused on America and America first, 157 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 5: you start with your own hemisphere where we live what 158 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 5: happens here. I'm not saying things that are happening halfway 159 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 5: around the world are not important. I'm saying what happens 160 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 5: in our hemisphere impacts us faster and more deeply than 161 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 5: something that's happening halfway around the world. 162 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: And I will say I am much more happy and 163 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 1: supportive of actions like this, then shall we say putting 164 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: troops on the ground or enforcing no fly zones. That 165 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: just seems to be very problematic. I pushing using the 166 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: US military to push regime change real quick, because I 167 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: know we're up on a break. Here is the chief 168 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: of the DEA, Terry Cole, talking about some of the 169 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: other successes. As Scotty Hughes was was referencing the issue 170 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: of seizing drugs. 171 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: Let's hear cut number. 172 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 6: Twelve or hours the last twenty four hours, our host 173 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:13,359 Speaker 6: nation counterparts, our Federal Task Force have seized twenty thousand 174 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 6: kilos of cocaine that were destined for the United States, 175 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 6: destined to the United States to spread this poison that's 176 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 6: being sent here by these foreign terrorist cartels that are 177 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 6: preying on our kids. 178 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 2: By the way, cocaine is a disease of too much money. 179 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 1: That's what it is. But you know, so we can 180 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: do these things. We can walk in chew gum at 181 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: the same time, we can seize drugs, tens of thousands 182 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:46,079 Speaker 1: of kilos keys of cocaine, while at the same time 183 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 1: in de adicting ships that are out there. 184 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 2: Listen, in a. 185 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: Moment, we got Jerry Rodgers from Real Clear Policy joining us. 186 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: I'm Andrew Langer. This is Tony Kats Today. 187 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 2: Well we are back, everybody. 188 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,719 Speaker 1: I am Andrew Langer in for Tony Kats today on 189 00:09:58,880 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: Tony Cats Today. 190 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 2: Thank you all for joining me. 191 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: You can follow me on x at Andrew Underscore Langer 192 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: L A N G E R. Joining us right now. 193 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: My good buddy, my best buddy. His name is Jerry Rodgers. 194 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: He is the editor of Real Clear Policy, Real Clear Health, 195 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: Real Clear Books and Culture, Real Clear Menu Items. 196 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 2: Jerry, what would is there anything you're not editing it 197 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 2: real clear these days, I'm the jack. 198 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 4: Of all trades, master of none. 199 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 2: How are you? 200 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 4: Andrew Drive fifty five? I like the lumper music. 201 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: Baby a little Sammy Hagar, you missed the Zeppelin earlier. 202 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: I should have had land and hold on to that 203 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: for you, because Led Zeppelin is Jerry's favorite rock band, 204 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: the greatest band of all time. 205 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 4: Sammy Hagar and Robert Plant, by the way, are the same. Age. 206 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 4: Is that crazy? 207 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 2: That is crazy? 208 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: That is that is that is that is that is 209 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: kind of nutty. And I didn't even tell you man, 210 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: I was in I It turns out like I was 211 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 1: like twenty five minutes from the brown Yard are it 212 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: never can. 213 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 2: Pronounce it the cottage and whales when I took my whales. 214 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: Trip earlier this year. Yeah, if I'd known, I would 215 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: have made the pilgrimage down there. It was uh yeah, 216 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: it was. 217 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 2: It was ware. 218 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 7: The black Dog apparently just wandered in and famously or 219 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 7: intimately they named you know, the great song black Dog. 220 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: Right and and from the cabin you can see the 221 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: Welsh Hills at Snowdonia, thus giving rise to over the 222 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: hills and far away. It's a whole bunch whole bunch 223 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: of things that are related today. 224 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 2: Anyway, this is not what I was going to have 225 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: the economy. 226 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 4: I could talk everything, buddy. 227 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: Yes, I know, you can certainly talk Zeppelin with me. 228 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: So but let's let's go here. We just had Scott A. 229 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 2: Hughes On. 230 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: We were talking about Venezuela. This Admiral Bradley was up 231 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: on the hill today or is up on the hill 232 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: today talking about it. 233 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 4: Where do you. 234 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 1: Come down in this issue of of interdicting Venezuela and 235 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 1: drug boats and and and blowing them up, destroy all of. 236 00:11:55,760 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 4: Them, every last one. This is another hope, another distraction. 237 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 7: This is a deep state play to disrupt and delegitimize 238 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:10,599 Speaker 7: the Trump administration. 239 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 4: It's working. 240 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 7: If the Democrats want to protect narco terrorist drug dealers, let. 241 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 4: Them do it. 242 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,959 Speaker 7: I mean again, we have a president who is securing 243 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,719 Speaker 7: the borders, going after bad guys. And you know, if 244 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 7: you want to have this conversation, let's talk about General Kelly, 245 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 7: General Captain Kelly Rather, Captain Kelly, Senator Kelly, who again 246 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,359 Speaker 7: illegally leaked information to the Wall Street Journal in this issue. 247 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 7: I mean again, the media is this is the problem. 248 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 4: I know that the legacy media is not as strong 249 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 4: as it used to be. 250 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 7: But here's I'll give you an example, and not just 251 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 7: on this issue with the drug boats. 252 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 4: But the economy. Right, Oh, my goodness, affordability. 253 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 7: Affordability. Do you know that we had a record record 254 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 7: black Friday. It was nearly a ten percent increase over 255 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 7: last year. 256 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: And let's know, by the way, that that that was 257 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: massive defiance of expectations. You know, the National Retail Federation 258 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:09,719 Speaker 1: was out there, Oh it's good. I don't know, it's 259 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: gonna be gonna be We're not gonna be enough, not 260 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: gonna be as much this year, but ten percent over 261 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: that's amazing. 262 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 7: But my point, my point is is that on the 263 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 7: economy we get misreporting, misinformation. On what's happening with these terrorists, 264 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 7: these narco terrorists, we get half information, misinformation. I'm tired 265 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 7: of it. The Washington Post story that broke the you know, 266 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 7: the double tap, go kill the. 267 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 4: Guys in the water. It's untrue. 268 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 7: And of all places, the New York Times proved it 269 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 7: wasn't true by again with five sources, and the Pete 270 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 7: hegg Seth, who, by the way, we know he's this 271 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 7: is a good man. Yes, the fact of the matter 272 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 7: is he said that the the Washington Post story was hogwashed. 273 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 7: And I just understand there shouldn't even be a story, right, 274 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 7: this could even be on the front pages of the news, 275 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 7: but it has to be because you know, Epstein, Epstein, 276 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 7: Epstein didn't work. 277 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 4: Russia, Russia, Russia didn't work. 278 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 7: I mean, my goodness, everything they throw this guy doesn't work, 279 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 7: you know. 280 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 4: And so here's my hope. 281 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 7: Though the President needs to whether it's perceptional reality, he 282 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 7: does have to deal with the affordability issue, and. 283 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 4: He can do that. 284 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 7: And you know, Vice President jd Vance yesterday gave a 285 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 7: really good argument as to why we're moving in the 286 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 7: right direction on the economy as well as in these 287 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 7: other areas well. 288 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: Right, And we're going to get into this with you, Jerry. 289 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: Our good friend Marlo Lewis is going to be joining 290 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: us in the last hour of the show, Tory. 291 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 7: Marlo Lewis's father was the producer on The Ed Sullivan 292 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 7: Show who made the decision to film Elvis from the 293 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 7: waste up. 294 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: I had forgotten about that. It's all all of these, 295 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: all of these little things that are out there. That 296 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: is that is that is amazing I forgot about that. 297 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: So Marlow Lewis is going to join us to talk 298 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: about this White House event yesterday in which they talked 299 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: about the cafe standards issue. 300 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 2: This doesn't like the boats. 301 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 4: Just like the boats. 302 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 7: You want to you want to make America the mobility 303 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 7: great again, the American cars great again. These cafe standards 304 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 7: have have have created a circumstance we were driving in 305 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 7: little tin boxes. Right, this is great, great news. 306 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, but you know, somebody, Jerry, let's particularize 307 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: it for you, because it's not as though you have 308 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: a tiny family. You have a large family. You need 309 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: a car that can carry everybody, don't you? 310 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 4: And we do. 311 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 7: And again it's it's ridiculous that that for me to 312 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 7: buy an. 313 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 4: Odyssey or a or a suburban. You know, I have 314 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 4: the seven of us in my family. Yes, to buy 315 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 4: any any one of those type of cars costs more. 316 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 7: Than my parents when they purchased a home right back 317 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 7: back in nineteen eighty. A car should not bankrupt the 318 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 7: family or put us in hock for years and years. 319 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 7: And again, cafe standards in this and this fetish with 320 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 7: net zero that the Left has just placed on us, 321 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 7: has made it so mobility is challenged. 322 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 4: Look, housing, mobility, all these issues, college tuitions. 323 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 7: Every time the Left gets involved and interferes in the 324 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 7: market in these areas, it means higher cost and more 325 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 7: and more pressure on American family. 326 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: So we're talking with Jerry Rodgers, editor of Real Clear Policy, 327 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: editor of Real Clear Health. What's at the top of 328 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: what you know? People go to Real Clear Policy today, 329 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: what's the number one thing that should be looking at? 330 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: They go to Real Clear Health today, what's the number 331 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: one thing that should be looking at. 332 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 4: I mean, I think the economy. 333 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 7: I think there's some real good pieces at Real Clear 334 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 7: Politics about the true nature of the economy. And if 335 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 7: you go over to Real Clear Policy, we're talking there 336 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 7: about the about ice and about afghan is it about 337 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 7: Somali's and whether or not you know, we should have 338 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 7: a better vetting program in place. Again, the issues that 339 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 7: matter most and the good news met real coup politics, 340 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 7: you know, which is different in other places. Here's my plug, 341 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 7: and that is you'll get the best arguments from both sides. 342 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 1: Right right, right, right, hey, let me let me ask 343 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: you this before I let you go, Jerry. And now 344 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: I've of course forgot my train of thought. We had 345 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: a good, good briefing from Charlie Cook yesterday. Are your 346 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: thoughts about what's going to happen in the midterm elections 347 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: next year? 348 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 7: I think that here I'm I'm gonna be a contrarian 349 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 7: place think. 350 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 4: I think the GOP holds onto the House barely. I 351 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 4: think they hold on to the Senate and I and 352 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 4: we'll get two years, hopefully of productivity. 353 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 7: This is why they want us to focus on the misinformation, 354 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 7: on the nonsense, is because the left is already thinking 355 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,239 Speaker 7: about we have to, we have to, we have to 356 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 7: really destroy the GOP in the midterms. And again, facts 357 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 7: are on I think the side of the president. 358 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have been more conncerned had Republicans lost 359 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: that special election down and we got nothing. 360 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 7: We were told, oh my goodness, it's going to be 361 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 7: one percent going to lose. 362 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 4: He won by eight nine right off in an off year, 363 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 4: a couple of days at the Thanksgiving It would give 364 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 4: me a. 365 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 2: Break, right he did. 366 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: He literally did better than I think everybody everybody thought 367 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: he was going to do. All right, well, Jered, listen, 368 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: will you and I you we need to we need 369 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: to do a podcast together. 370 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 2: At some point in time. 371 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 4: Uh the world? 372 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,479 Speaker 1: Andrew, Yes, Andrew and Jerry saved the world. All right, man, 373 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 1: take care. I'll see him Monday. 374 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 2: Bye. That was Jerry Rodgers. 375 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: He is the editor of Real Clear Policy, Real Clear Health, 376 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: Real Clear Books and Culture, and a bunch of other things. 377 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: And I do a lot of a lot of healthcare 378 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: policy work with him. So it is it is always 379 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: always good. You know something real quick, we got this. 380 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: Let's hear what Stephen Miller had to say about the 381 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: US military defending interest. 382 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 2: Let's pay cut number thirteen. 383 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 8: I think get more crystal clear than that. The mission 384 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 8: is take out the boat, stop the drugs, keep this 385 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 8: vessel and its cargo from reaching our shore using lethal means, 386 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 8: and our amazing military. 387 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 2: The heroes of the. 388 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 8: United States Armed Forces did exactly that. President Trump, Secretary 389 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 8: Haig Seth, and this entire government are committed to finally 390 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 8: using our military to defend our people, our borders, our family, 391 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 8: our culture, our history, our heritage, to defend the United States. 392 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 8: We're not going off running around the Middle East trying 393 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 8: to build the democracy. 394 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 2: We get into there. 395 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: Landon listen, we got Guy Bentley from Reason who's going 396 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 1: to be joining us. He's going to talk about the 397 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: neo temperance movement. They're after alcohol, my friends when we 398 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: come back. Welcome back, everybody. I'm Andrew Langer in for 399 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,239 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. You can find me on Twitter. I 400 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: still call Twitter at Andrew Underscore Langer. You can message 401 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: me Facebook dot com, slash Andrew Langer Show. Very excited 402 00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 1: to bring our guests on. His name is Guy Bell. 403 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: He's a director of consumer freedom with Reason or the 404 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: Reason Foundation. He also does some writing for Reason magazine. 405 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: And you know, Guy and I have spent some time 406 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: talking about these issues, this thing called the neo temperance 407 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: movement or neo prohibitionism. 408 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 2: I don't know, Guy. 409 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: I just once again watched The Untouchables the other day 410 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: and the message, obviously from there was is that prohibition 411 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: invariably leads to two greater amounts of crime. And yet, 412 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, what is old is new again. There 413 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: is a movement around the world to declare that there 414 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: is no safe serving of alcohol. What in God's name 415 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: is going on here? 416 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 9: Andrew, good speak to you, Thanks for having me always. Yeah. 417 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 9: It's an odds collection of both public health academics, so 418 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 9: you know our favorite words public health, which I remember 419 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 9: being much misabused during the COVID era, namely for our 420 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 9: own good, but turning out to be without much scientific foundation. 421 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 9: What we find is that there's new sort of crusadeens 422 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,719 Speaker 9: alcohol that listeners might have seen about changing, for instance, 423 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 9: the federal dietary guidelines to say that there is no 424 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 9: safe level of alcohol, which is completely untrue, is being 425 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 9: launched by mostly public health academics disproportionately from Canada actually, 426 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 9: strangely enough, and also from California. And so we see 427 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 9: an alliance between people who traditionally think, you know, alcohol 428 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 9: is bad for you, you shouldn't do it, or even in fact, 429 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 9: the government should restrict it in some way, and a 430 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 9: lot of people who find that there is a sort 431 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 9: of you know, reason that the government should nudge people 432 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 9: along into drinking less and restricting their activities. And a 433 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 9: lot of that is now found instead of you know, 434 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 9: in the early twentieth century America, we had sort of 435 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 9: the Women's Christian Temperance Union must be around, you know, 436 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 9: getting states to ban alcohol. 437 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 2: Now they're in the. 438 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 9: Sort of ivory tower of academia. 439 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 4: So how things change and you. 440 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: Think that it can't happen, And yet we are right 441 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: now waiting with bated breath on the various government agencies 442 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,479 Speaker 1: to issue nutrition guidelines, and there are folks putting enormous 443 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: pressure on these agencies to do just that. 444 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 2: I mean. 445 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: Again, I'm just shocked at all of this. How close 446 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: are we to having this happen? And then why should 447 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: people take this seriously? 448 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 9: Well, in one way, it already has happened. The World 449 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 9: Health Organization has gone very much in this direction by 450 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 9: claiming that there is no safe level of alcohol consumption, 451 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:37,199 Speaker 9: which again our own National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine, 452 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 9: which published a gigantic, blockbuster report at the end of 453 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 9: last year, huge report looking at all the evidence there 454 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 9: is on this and saying again what we've known for many, 455 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 9: many years, which is the moderate alcohol consumption is in 456 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 9: fact a recommended path for most people. People who drink 457 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 9: a moderate amount of alcohol live longer than people who 458 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 9: drink no alcohol at all, and they of longer than 459 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 9: people who drink a lot of alcohol. So the World 460 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 9: Health Organization has already gone down the sort of anti scientific, 461 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 9: anti alcohol path by claiming that there's no safe level 462 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 9: of alcohol. But fortunately the Trump administration is withdrawing the 463 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 9: United States from the World Health Organization, so we don't 464 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 9: have to worry too much about that. But in terms 465 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 9: of the United States and the federal dietary guidelines, I 466 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 9: think we you know, it's probably in perhaps towards the 467 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 9: new year or sometime in the new year, we might 468 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 9: get a decision on this. But I'm optimistic that the 469 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 9: Trump administration has now looked at the evidence and hopefully 470 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 9: will reject what's quite a new and novel idea around alcohol, 471 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 9: not least because you know, again I bring back the 472 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 9: covid era. Because giving people, just even with the best 473 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 9: of intentions, bad scientific advice leads to unintended consequences. Even 474 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 9: if you want people to drink less or think they're 475 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 9: drinking too much, you shouldn't lie that there is no 476 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 9: safe level of alcohol consumption. Just help people the truth 477 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 9: and say it. Listen, drinking too much is. 478 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 4: Really bad for you. That's the way you could. 479 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 9: Go, rather than telling what we would call a noble lie. 480 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 2: Around the actual risks of alcohol. Amazing. We're talking with 481 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 2: Guy Bentley. 482 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: He is the director of Consumer Freedom at the Reason Foundation, 483 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: And because we were talking about we're just we're talking 484 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: about alcohol, and because we're on you know, I'm filling 485 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: it for Tony Kats and Tony's got his Great Eat, Drink, 486 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: Smoke podcast wherever. We haven't talked about red meat yet. 487 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: But as I said, we talked about alcohol. Let's turn 488 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: our attention to tobacco and some of the things that 489 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 1: some of the Eastern states are doing. And why the 490 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,959 Speaker 1: folks who'll listen to Tony Show ought to be you know, 491 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: for forewarned, is forearmed, as they say, the crazy way 492 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: that they're approaching trying to stop smoking by going after 493 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 1: the nicotine. Talk about this guy. 494 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 9: Yeah, these are some really crazy proposals coming out of 495 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 9: local boards of health in Massachusetts and a bill in 496 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 9: the state legislature. And what it is, essentially, Andrew, is 497 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 9: a way of grandfathering in total prohibition of all tobacco products. 498 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 9: So not just cigarettes, We're talking about your vapes, nicotine pouches, cigars, 499 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 9: premium cigars. 500 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 2: All of these would essentially be banned. For instance, they 501 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 2: would be. 502 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 9: Banned for anyone who was born on or after January first, 503 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 9: two thousand and five, for instance. And so over a 504 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 9: period of years, you find that, you know, more and 505 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 9: more people are caught in that generational tobacco ban. So 506 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 9: you get to an absurd situation where, for instance, in 507 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 9: Somerville in twenty years or whatever, you know, a thirty 508 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 9: five year old will have to ask a thirty one 509 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 9: year old to buy him a cigar to go to, 510 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 9: you know, their friend's wedding. It's absolutely insane. It hasn't 511 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 9: made a lot of new national news yet. It's made 512 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 9: a lot of news with the Boston Globe and a 513 00:25:58,960 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 9: lot of. 514 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 4: The local press. But it's a really insidious. 515 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 9: Form of because you get around the objection of well, 516 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 9: if you have prohibition now you're going to have a 517 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,719 Speaker 9: huge black market. You'll of course have a black market anyway. 518 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 9: It just essentially tries to dull the opposition to it. 519 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 9: And what I worry Andrew, is that if you get 520 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 9: this kind of really strange and weird, you know, restriction 521 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 9: on freedom for future generations, that they could ever have 522 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 9: the free choice as an adult to you know, buy 523 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 9: a cigar or a vape or a nicketine pouch. That 524 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 9: this will be exported from Massachusetts to other states. 525 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 4: And then used for other products. 526 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 9: That so if you don't care about you know, cigars 527 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 9: or nicketine pouches or vapes. Well, well, why why don't 528 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 9: they just take the same approach to alcohol, gambling or 529 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 9: any other kind of you know, so called vice product 530 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:49,719 Speaker 9: that people enjoy it? 531 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 4: Right? 532 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: This is this is you know, it's so funny because 533 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: I've been trying to explain this to colleagues that we're 534 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 1: all about the snap benefits of sunya. 535 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:57,719 Speaker 2: I get it. 536 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: You want to you know, you know, if the taxpayers 537 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: are paying for it, you don't want to do X, 538 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: Y and Z. And I keep saying, listen, if we're 539 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 1: going to go down this road of making these choices, 540 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: then what is to stop you know, the Gavin Newsom, 541 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: Pete Buddhage Edge, whatever administration from coming in and declaring 542 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: a health emergency over red meat and all of a sudden, 543 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: I can't buy a steak because. 544 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 2: Of this or whatever whatever product. I mean. 545 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 1: This is This is the quintessential slippery slope argument. 546 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 2: Isn't a guy? 547 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 9: It exactly is, and I think it's and red meats 548 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 9: are a really great example because you can make all 549 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 9: kinds of argaing arguments. You can say, well, it's both 550 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 9: bad for you health wise and it's bad for the climate. 551 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 4: So we will pre empt and you know, will allow you. 552 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 9: To eat it, but we're just not going to allow 553 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 9: your kids to eat it when you know, so current 554 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 9: meat eaters will be saved, but the next generation of 555 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 9: meat eaters will be you know, preemptively ended. And that's 556 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 9: just a ridiculous. 557 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 4: Way for a free society to. 558 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:56,479 Speaker 2: Run it up. 559 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 4: And so you could imagine just all. 560 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 9: Over the place, anybody's pet hobby horse then eventually being 561 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 9: grandfathered into some you know, strange prohibitionist crusades. So I 562 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 9: do hope the efforts to sort of oppose these neo prohibitions, 563 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 9: particularly in Massachusetts with this generational tobacco band, which unfortunately, 564 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 9: my home country, the United Kingdom, is now unfortunately sadly 565 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 9: leading the world in We used to lead the world 566 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 9: in quite a few other positive things. Now we're leading 567 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 9: the world in you know, the country of Winston Church 568 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 9: or banning cigars is like a sad state of affairs. 569 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 9: But hopefully in Massachusetts, at least at the state level, 570 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 9: there'll be some sound opposition to this and hopefully we 571 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 9: can prevent it spreading to other states. 572 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: All right, well there you go, listen, guy, what else 573 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: are you working on How can folks find out more 574 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: about the good work you're doing and the folks at 575 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: Reason are doing. 576 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 9: Absolutely people can find the work I'm doing at Reason 577 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 9: dot org, where you know, I do a lot of 578 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 9: the work on you know, the issues you mentioned, sort 579 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 9: of neo temperance, neo prohibition, issues to do with alcohol, food, gambling, tobacco, 580 00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 9: all that fun stuff. 581 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 2: But we also have a hope the. 582 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 9: Policy experts and so on you deal with the issues 583 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 9: like education, pension reform, transportation, all that jazz. And also 584 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 9: at Reason Foundation we publish Reason Magazine, so that's our 585 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 9: journalism capability, and Reason TV, which has a ton of 586 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 9: great videos, and also we have a ton of podcasts 587 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 9: as well, and that's mostly hosted at Reason dot com. 588 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 9: And if people are interested at all, they can also 589 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 9: follow me on X at the very imaginative handle of 590 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 9: at g Bentley one. 591 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 2: There you go. 592 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: Well listen, guy, thank you, thank you so very much 593 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: for joining us today and for the work that you do. 594 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 2: Best of luck, my friend, thanks for having me, Andrew, thank. 595 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: You appreciate it. That was Guy Bentley from Reason. Go 596 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: and check him out. 597 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 2: What do we say? 598 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: G Bentley one on X is doing great work, and 599 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: we gotta be cautious about these things. 600 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 3: It is. 601 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: Insane to me that here we are in twenty twenty 602 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: five and there is legitimately a movement out there to 603 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: clear that there is no safe serving of alcohol. 604 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 2: We can't we can't have that happen. 605 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: Well, we're going to continue to talk about this and 606 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: also a great sleeper issue coming back. You're gonna want 607 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: to stay tuned for this. I'm Andrew Langer and for 608 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: Tony Kats. This is Tony Kats today. You know it's funny. 609 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,959 Speaker 1: I got my We all get these. At the end 610 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: of the year. My preferred streaming platform for music is 611 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: Amazon Music, you know whatever it is, Amazon Prime Music, 612 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: and I know other folks get it through Spotify or 613 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: what have you. When you get your end of the 614 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: year listings of what your top songs were, and Lunatic 615 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: Fringe by Red Rider was up there, I want to 616 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: say it was like the hold on. Actually, you never 617 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: do math on the air, never look at these things 618 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: on the air. But I'm gonna look at this right now. 619 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: I want to tell you what my what it was 620 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: on my list of songs. It was number seven of 621 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: my top plays of the year. Of all the things, 622 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: I played number one, by the way, Destination Unknown by 623 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: Missing Person, because it was one of these years where 624 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: I was I was, I was doing that. But yes, 625 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: number seven, red Ryiner, Ludatic Fridge Sandwich between Keep It 626 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: Dark by Genesis and Blackbird. 627 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 2: By the Beatles. 628 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm Andrew Langer in for Tony Katz today. Uh 629 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: so glad I could join you and you can join me. 630 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: It's uh, we have this conversation in the office yesterday. 631 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: You know, I do my regulatory work at SEAPAC and 632 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: I don't even know how we got on it, but 633 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: they were talking about music and we all were sort 634 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: of trading that. So I shared my my list with 635 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: folks around. I do actually like that as part of 636 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: the year last year, because this is how I roll. 637 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: Last year, it was basically every song on the Merrily 638 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: We Roll Along soundtrack, which by the way, comes out 639 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: in theaters tonight. If you are a Sondheim fan, I 640 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: can't recommend this enough. Fathom Events is doing it Merrily 641 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: We Roll Along. If you're if you're an oldster like 642 00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: me and you're taking stock of your life, it is 643 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: a very moving production. Merely We Roll Along anyway, So listen, 644 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: I've said this before. I don't know if I've said 645 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: this on these airwaves, but you know, one of the 646 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: great failures of the first Trump term was their inability 647 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: to grapple with the fraudulent voter problem. 648 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 2: And obviously it came back in spades. 649 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: It has come back in spades, not just in the 650 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: twenty twenty election, but elsewhere. We're still seeing this folks 651 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: who are not eligible to vote unlesson I'm not saying 652 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: that elections election results could be changed. I'm not saying 653 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty election was stolen. What I am saying 654 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: is you can jar your own conclusion there. But what 655 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: I am saying is that we need to have more 656 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: secure elections and at the very least we need to 657 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: be going through the voter roles. And they should have 658 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: done this in the first term, and they didn't. 659 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 2: Well, they're doing it now. 660 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: Here is the Deputy Attorney General Harmeat Dillon talking about 661 00:32:58,760 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: the problems that she's having. 662 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 2: Let's play at number twenty Big News. 663 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 10: In the last twenty four hours, the most popular story 664 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 10: on justin News for most of the day today. 665 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 4: You and the Justice Department. 666 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 10: So it ensued six Blue states for not turning over 667 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 10: the voter role so you can inspect it, make sure 668 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 10: that they're not being that they're not out of data, 669 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 10: dead people and non citizens aren't making it onto the roles. 670 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 2: I have a funny feeling you're not done yet. Tell 671 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 2: us where you are in the process, not even close. 672 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 11: Well, John, I really appreciate you continuingly, continuously allowing me 673 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 11: to come on and update the public because I know 674 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 11: there's a lot of frustration out there about why isn't 675 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 11: someone doing something. I'll have you know that the Department 676 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 11: of Justice Civil Rights Division has sent letters to all 677 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 11: fifty states and we have actually actively engaged with over 678 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 11: half of them. 679 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 2: As follows. 680 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 11: We're now in litigation with fourteen states, So the six 681 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 11: yesterday included Maryland, Delaware, Rhode Island, New Mexico, Washington State, 682 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 11: and Vermont. That adds to eight. We already had going 683 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 11: close to reaching resolution voluntary cooperation with another dozen states, 684 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 11: and I won't say which those are, but I think 685 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 11: we will definitely let the public know when that happens. 686 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 2: We have voluntary cooperation from four. 687 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 11: States, and we reached a settlement and consent to create 688 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,479 Speaker 11: with the state of North Carolina that agreed to clean 689 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 11: up over one hundred thousand people on the voter rolls 690 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 11: that were there improperly, and so that's over half the 691 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 11: states john that we're actively engaged in either litigation or 692 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 11: settlements with. And so it's really good news for America, 693 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 11: and we're going to march through and make sure that 694 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 11: we reach a resolution with everybody before. 695 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 2: We get over there. 696 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: Now, this is so vitally important because we're seeing more 697 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 1: of these high profile cases. 698 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 2: We got this situation. 699 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: Part of the reason why Maryland's bound up in this 700 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: is that you had this guy, Ian Roberts who was 701 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: appointed superintendent of the Des Moines Schools and then it 702 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: turns out that not only was he an illegal immigrant, 703 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: he was an illegal immigrant who was a charge with 704 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 1: the illegal firearm usage. And now, as we find out, 705 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: he was an illegal immigrant who out of to registration 706 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: active in Maryland, so he was able to register to vote. 707 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: We are still trying to determine if he did in 708 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: fact vote. 709 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 2: You know, it. 710 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:16,399 Speaker 1: Underscores this and I've been explaining this to colleagues. This 711 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 1: is hard work. Peeling back what needs to be done, 712 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: what needs to be peeled back, engaging in the reforms 713 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: that need to get done. This is hard work. It 714 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 1: is diligent work. It's not stuff that can be done instantaneously. 715 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 1: Any I was frustrated because we didn't do it in 716 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: the first term, but I'm glad we're doing it now. 717 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: It's like with the regulatory reform efforts or with the 718 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 1: work that Doge was doing. You know, it's hard work. 719 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,240 Speaker 1: It's a process that gets followed. You go after the bureaucracy, 720 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: and you move from the bureaucracy to the low hanging 721 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: fruit in terms of regulation, and then you move into 722 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 1: where we can make actual reforms and actually cut regulatory costs. 723 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 2: Listen, we got a great hour coming up of the show. 724 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: We got congress Woman Beth van Dyne gonna be joining 725 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:01,240 Speaker 1: us from Texas. 726 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 2: Marlow Lewis from CEI. I'm Andrew Langer. This is Tony 727 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 2: Katz today.