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Speaker 9: look at the history, the names, the features, the folks,

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Speaker 9: the audio of the history of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. Mike, tonight,

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Speaker 9: we get the pleasure at as we again are in

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Speaker 8: Talking about Gordon john.

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Speaker 10: Cock, that's right, And he has a bit of a

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Speaker 10: He's a fun person to talk to, but you know,

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Speaker 9: I enjoyed racing, and I enjoyed my competitors, but that

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Speaker 9: the reality is that John Cock was a deservant winner.

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Speaker 10: Oh yeah, absolutely, I mean he was. He was up

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Speaker 10: I mean, Gordon Johncock was an absolutely deserving winner to

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Speaker 9: But Gordon john Cock in terms of that win itself,

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Speaker 9: a matter of fact, the team immediately went to Methodist

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Speaker 1: His teammate was Sweet Savage, who was very seriously injured and.

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Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's been a while, but congratulations.

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Speaker 9: Gordon john Cox says it didn't bother him necessarily to

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Speaker 9: Mike, as you had mentioned, Sweet Savage unfortunately but ultimately

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Speaker 9: I think on Gordon Johncock, did it not, And the

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Speaker 10: Moving forward, well, it's interesting that you mentioned earlier on

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Speaker 10: And Gordon Johncock really didn't.

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Speaker 9: Ultimately, victory would come again for Gordon john Cock. But

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Speaker 7: This is Beyond the Bricks brought to you by Quality

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Speaker 13: Fans, different races, different cars, different drivers, but the same

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Speaker 9: Jake Querry Mike Thompson here landing Kuon's putting it all

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Speaker 10: Oh absolutely, I mean, Gordon Johncock was the guy to

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Speaker 9: Another common thread, Mike, between aj Foyd and Gordon john

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Speaker 9: You had mentioned any granted Telly earlier, Mike, and of

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Speaker 10: He won both of his Indianapolis five hundreds driving for SDP.

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Speaker 9: Mike, we talked about the fact that, and I have

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Speaker 9: Would have been unjust and that took care of itself,

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Speaker 9: and I believe, Mike, it is my belief. Now nineteen

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Speaker 10: I think eighty two is the greatest finish, and I

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Speaker 9: The line run Judge Cock cuts him off Hey, what

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Speaker 13: Who's gonna last?

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Speaker 5: Gordon Johncock off the fourth turn, Mirrors has right behind him.

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Speaker 5: Rick Bears humps across at second place Famo side by.

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Speaker 6: and go on to win.

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Speaker 9: Mike, we talked the other day in starting and resuming

444
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 9: again Beyond the Bricks in anticipation of the Brickyard four hundred,

445
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 9: about the fact that this past may was difficult for

446
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 9: you because you had the race itself, which was a

447
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 9: rain race, and even though it went two hundred laps,

448
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 9: and then you lost your mother shortly after. And the

449
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 9: reality is that for Gordon Johncock, even though there was

450
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 9: a celebration of winning the nineteen eighty two race, it

451
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 9: also was one that once again he had to be

452
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 9: heavy hearted after the fact that he had won that

453
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Speaker 9: race in nineteen eighty two.

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Speaker 10: That's right, and it's really really sad because you know,

455
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Speaker 10: we talked in the last segment about the fact he

456
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 10: didn't get a victory banquet in nineteen seventy three, and

457
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 10: then in eighty two the victory banquet was basically overshadowed

458
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Speaker 10: and made it to be basically a somber affair for

459
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Speaker 10: Gordon Johncock because he lost his mom and Donald. In

460
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Speaker 10: this next clip, it's a very poignant sound bite talking

461
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Speaker 10: about how somber.

462
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Speaker 2: The whole situation was. And so you really have to

463
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Speaker 2: feel for.

464
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Speaker 10: Gordon Johncock about the fact that, you know, these two triumphs,

465
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Speaker 10: you know, which should be two of the greatest days

466
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Speaker 10: of his life, you know, they were both really ended

467
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 10: up being both pretty somber affairs for Gordon John Catt.

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Speaker 1: There is a downside which most people don't know that

469
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Speaker 1: there's this terribly cruel fate. John Cox's mother was very

470
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Speaker 1: sick and maybe you don't know this. John Cock's mother

471
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Speaker 1: was very sick and after the race he flew on

472
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Speaker 1: the Patrick plane. They flew him back up so he

473
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Speaker 1: could see his mother, who was very old. And then

474
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Speaker 1: they left and came back down. And I don't know

475
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Speaker 1: whether they came that night or the next morning, but

476
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Speaker 1: they had the day after shots, so they did. The

477
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Speaker 1: day after shots. They go to the victory banquet and

478
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Speaker 1: he told me, he said, as we walked in the

479
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Speaker 1: door to get home after the victory banquet, the phone

480
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: was ringing and it was somebody to tell me that

481
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 1: my mother had passed away. And he tears up talking

482
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Speaker 1: about it then and now, and I think, what a

483
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,640
Speaker 1: cruel twist of fate. And you know, you lose your mother,

484
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 1: but of all times, your greatest moment just got destroyed.

485
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Speaker 1: And so you know, paid to throw cold border on

486
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Speaker 1: the thing. But that you know, that stayed with me.

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Speaker 1: There was a downside that most the general public nevenue.

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Speaker 9: Gordon john Cock. He would still have great stories that

489
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Speaker 9: could be told about him, including how he ventured into

490
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Speaker 9: retirement and Donald Davidson's favorite recollection of the man from Michigan.

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Speaker 8: We'll talk about that when we come back to Beyond

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Speaker 8: the Brakes.

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Speaker 9: Five your race, update we will give you a schedule

502
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Speaker 9: update for what is going to be taking place this

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Speaker 9: weekend at The Indianapolis Motor. Speedway On, saturday gates open

504
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 9: at eleven o'clock in the, morning that is just two

505
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 9: hours before the qualifying gets underway for The expinity cars

506
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Speaker 9: in anticipation of.

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Speaker 8: The pinzoil two.

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Speaker 9: Fifty then at two thirty five THE Nascar cup qualifying takes.

509
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 9: Place that will be a fifty five minute affair concluding

510
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Speaker 9: at three point thirty in the.

511
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Speaker 8: Afternoon at four point.

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Speaker 9: Thirty On, saturday it is The pinzoil two point, fifty

513
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Speaker 9: which Those expinity cars always put on a good show

514
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 9: at sixteenth In georgetown again four point thirty On. Saturday

515
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 9: Then sunday two o'clock it is the running of THE

516
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Speaker 9: Nascar Cup brickyard four hundred at The Indianapolis Motor.

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Speaker 8: Speedway this is.

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Speaker 7: Beyond the bricks brought to you by quality, supply intol

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Speaker 7: think outside the box store on ninety three five and

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Speaker 7: one oh seven, five the, Fan.

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Speaker 9: Jake querry And Mike thompson Landing huon's putting it all

522
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Speaker 9: together for. Us the met three sixty five command center

523
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 9: is where we are for beyond the bricks and of

524
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 9: course quality supply and tool helping make it all. Possible

525
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 9: we appreciate that greatly as we talk about those. Personalities

526
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 9: in The Indianapolis Motor speedway, again you just heard me

527
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 9: Mention saturday eleven o'clock the gates will be. Open it

528
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 9: will be qualifying day AT. Ims one o'clock in the,

529
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 9: afternoon The infinity cars will. Qualify then at two thirty

530
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 9: Five cup cars will qualify before the four point thirty

531
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Speaker 9: running of the Pins oil two. Fifty Those exfinity, cars

532
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 9: LIKE i, mentioned always put on a good show AT.

533
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 9: Ims then two o'clock it is On sunday The brickyard

534
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 9: four hundred that will. Run of those drivers in the

535
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 9: history of racing that have run Both cup cars And indye,

536
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 9: Cars Gordon johncock one of them that is the subject

537
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 9: of our discussion, today And. Mike one of the things

538
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 9: THAT i think is interesting when you talk About gordon John,

539
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 9: cock were any of his contemporaries and competitors of that.

540
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 9: Era is the fact that when you think about John, Cock,

541
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 9: rutterford The, Uncers Mario, Emerson, Fittipaldi Rick, meres so many

542
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 9: of those drivers obviously as they were competitors with one,

543
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 9: another their retirements seemingly came within about a five to

544
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 9: seven year window of one, another which led to a

545
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 9: complete changing of the guard of the stars of IndyCar

546
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 9: racing in The indianapolis five. Hundred But Gordon johncock was

547
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 9: one of those that was kind of the first to

548
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 9: start to see that light coming through the tunnel of

549
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 9: the fact that it was time to go on and

550
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 9: advance into another. Career but his retirement came really, when

551
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 9: to use a racing, term seemingly there was still some

552
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 9: fuel in the.

553
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 10: Tank oh, ABSOLUTELY i mean his first retirement was a

554
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 10: huge shock to everybody when he decided to. Retire the first,

555
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 10: time it was just in the middle of the week

556
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 10: and and right before qualifying and he just, decided you, know,

557
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 10: map that's, It i'm going to. Retire and he was

558
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 10: still basically at the top of his. Game you, know

559
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 10: he had run the full eighty four season and and

560
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 10: all of a sudden in eighty five he retired and

561
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 10: then had second thoughts and decided to come out of.

562
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 2: Retirement but it really.

563
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 10: Was interesting the fact that he just you, know he

564
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 10: decided in eighty, five you, Know i'm done and that's.

565
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 8: It you.

566
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 9: Know one of the THINGS i think that this kind

567
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 9: of shows About John. Cock and it's disingenuous for me

568
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 9: to say THAT i Know Gordon John. Cock, well you,

569
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 9: KNOW i think we always have within our job and

570
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 9: we probably or at LEAST i should clarify for, folks

571
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 9: it is true that we have a unique access to

572
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 9: the drivers both of past and, present of The indianapolis

573
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,479
Speaker 9: five hundred or IndyCar racing in, general and it gives

574
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 9: you glimpse in perspective into sometimes what, motivates what drives

575
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 9: pardon the, pun these drivers that we get so much

576
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 9: enjoyment and, Watching but it doesn't mean that we're necessarily

577
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 9: involved in the day to day in seeing who and

578
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 9: what they, are but we get glimpse of. It and

579
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 9: one thing About Gordon johncock THAT i have always respected

580
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 9: and the little glimpses That i've been able to see

581
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 9: behind the curtain mic is he is a guy who

582
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 9: certainly is very confident and comfortable in who he, is

583
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 9: and at the same time is very confident in making

584
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 9: the decisions that are best For Gordon johncock and not

585
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 9: necessarily always falling in line With AND i don't mean

586
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 9: that in a rebellious, sense but somebody who is going

587
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 9: to do what he wants to do as opposed to

588
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 9: conforming to what is always kind of the norm within

589
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 9: the boundaries of his, profession if that makes sense What i'm.

590
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 8: Saying, no that's.

591
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Speaker 10: RIGHT i Mean Gordon johncock is his own. Man it's

592
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 10: interesting because he during his racing, career at one point

593
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 10: he moved To arizona and he lived In arizona AND

594
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 10: i had a ranch and was kind of doing some

595
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 10: ranching and things like, that and that was kind of

596
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 10: a passion of his for a. While and then he

597
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 10: honestly kind of got tired of it and didn't like

598
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 10: the ranching anymore and decided to move back To, michigan

599
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 10: which is you know where he's. From, originally he's from

600
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 10: from a town In hate Called, Hastings michigan By Cold

601
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 10: water where Also Scottie braden was From Coldwater. Michigan and

602
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 10: it's interesting because then he got so interested in this

603
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 10: in this lumber, mill the saw mill that he, bought

604
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 10: and as you, said he he's still doing the sawmill every.

605
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 8: Day you.

606
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 10: KNOW i called up there and spoke to his wife

607
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 10: a couple of, times AND i wanted to speak To

608
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 10: gordy and she, said he's a Sawmill and you're, thinking you,

609
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 10: Know gordon John cook's at the sawmill every day. STILL i,

610
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 10: mean he's he just likes doing it and he enjoys,

611
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 10: it and like you, said this is the passion and

612
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 10: this is what he's interested in doing. Now so he's

613
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 10: the person who he's going to do his own. Thing

614
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 10: and as you, said he's a nonconformist in that he's

615
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 10: going to What Gordon johncock wants to do is what

616
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 10: he's going to.

617
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 9: Do and in nineteen eighty, five what that was that

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00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 9: he wanted to, do As mike had, mentioned while still

619
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 9: essentially in the middle of his, game the surprising announcement

620
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 9: that he would, retire and of course it would end

621
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 9: up being for the first Time Donald davidson On gordon

622
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 9: John cock's first retirement.

623
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Speaker 1: And he practiced and on the night before or the

624
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: day before the first qualifying day he announced that he was.

625
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: Retiring and it was kind of stunning really because it

626
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: just seemed to come out of. Nowhere but in fact

627
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: he actually came on this program that, evening on The

628
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: friday evening and to say that he was. Done AND i,

629
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Speaker 1: said you, know you might rethink, this and he, said,

630
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: No i'm happy with the decision And i'm. Done, well

631
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: he soon regretted, it but, anyway so he did not

632
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: run in the race and they Hired Don whittington to

633
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: qualify the car and Then gordy was a driver expert

634
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: along With Roger woods for the. Race, well during the

635
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: winter he rethought, it decided he wanted to come, back

636
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: but he Assume patrick would take him, back but they, said,

637
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,959
Speaker 1: no We're we're not going to be doing it With gordy.

638
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 9: Anymore John cock would come back and race, again and

639
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 9: as a matter of, fact would do so and in some,

640
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 9: variations in some, spots do so really well and with great.

641
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 8: Note as a.

642
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 9: Matter of, Fact Gordon johncock's career would in his return

643
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 9: show the same form that Made gordon John cock not

644
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 9: just a two time winner the eighty five, hundred but

645
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 9: a racing legend in.

646
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 8: General also in coming.

647
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 9: Back it led to one of our speedway historian Emeritus

648
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 9: Donald davidson's favorite stories about the two time.

649
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: Winner Gordon John, Ky Ron hamilgarn And Jonathan bird were.

650
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: Partners Stan fox was the main. Driver they also Had

651
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 1: Buddy lazier in a car and they had this third. Car,

652
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: Well Jonathan bird, thought, let's you, know aim for the

653
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: top and ninety one was a year that Al ancer

654
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: didn't have a ride and he was holding out for something,

655
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: special And Jonathan bird took him to dinner and said

656
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: drive for. Us, well al didn't really want to do

657
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: it because it was A. Carsworth, well they then at

658
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: the same, time but they were talking To Johnny.

659
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 3: Rutherford Johnny rutherford didn't want to take.

660
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: It And Johnny rutherford at that time he wasn't doing

661
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: the pace car, thing but he was doing the radio.

662
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: Broadcast and SO i, said why wouldn't you take the?

663
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: Car he, SAID i don't want to drive.

664
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 8: It it's A.

665
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: Carsworth AND i, said But, johnny you know you had

666
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: twenty four starts and now there's been some years when

667
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: you didn't make, it AND i know that twenty five

668
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,959
Speaker 1: was very important to. You you could make the, step

669
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: and he, SAID i don't want to be in it

670
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: UNLESS i can. Win so then the next THING i

671
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: remember Hearing John.

672
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 3: Cock's going to drive.

673
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: IT i, Said, johncock you know he hasn't run for a. While,

674
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: well Ron hemilgern really liked John cock from previous, years

675
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: so he called him and John cock was on his

676
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: tractor when the phone.

677
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 3: Rang AND i don't know if he knew that the phone,

678
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 3: rang or he had.

679
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: It with, him or the wife went out and got,

680
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: him but, anyway so he gets off the tractor and he,

681
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: says you, know come down and drive this.

682
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 3: Car so.

683
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: Down gordy comes and makes the, show qualifies thirty third

684
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: outside the last. Row so then the next thing that

685
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 1: happened was we come to the track on race morning

686
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: or was it even the day, before we.

687
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 3: Heard John cock has got the. Flu we don't know

688
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 3: if he can.

689
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: Drive i'm not sure IF i knew that the day

690
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: before or when what came in that, morning but, anyway

691
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: they they Had Johnny parsons on, standby And parsons was

692
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: either going to be a relief driver or even start

693
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: the race If johncock couldn't do.

694
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 3: It so.

695
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: They gave him some. Medication AND i Saw parsons later

696
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: and he was, dressed AND i, said what? Happened he, said,

697
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: oh he, said he, said go Do you'll be. Okay he,

698
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: SAID i didn't even bother to put my uniform on

699
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: WHEN i saw. Him well, then so race starts a

700
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: lot of. Attrition and during the course of the, RACE

701
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: i kept Needling johnny off the air every time because

702
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: he's in the in the booth next to, me AND i, said, Hey,

703
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: john you're. Sixteenth he would just shrugger to, Hey, john you're.

704
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: Thirteenth well in the in the late stages of the,

705
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: Race jahcock comes into the top. Ten and this was

706
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: the year That mario was running, GULLY i don't, know, third, fourth,

707
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: fifth something like, that and he dropped out late and

708
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: pulled off into the pits and could have come on,

709
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: in but stuck himself in such a position where he

710
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,439
Speaker 1: was trying to Help michael who was in a big

711
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: battle With Rick.

712
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 3: Beerce so, anyway be there as it.

713
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: May mario was out of the, race and so his

714
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: lap count is going to remain the.

715
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 3: Same AND i spent half.

716
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: The race or more looking at the, monitor And i'm

717
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: looking At John cock's lap, count AND i, figured you know,

718
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: WHAT i Think, johncock who is now, seventh can get,

719
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: sixth and sure.

720
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 3: Enough late race screen off to, go and.

721
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: Then John cock takes the white flag and he's, seventh

722
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: and then out comes the checker and everybody's coming, by

723
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: And i'm looking and sure, enough but you, Know mario

724
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: that was sitting sixth without gets bumped to seventh and

725
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: John cock gets Six SO i said To, johnny you finished,

726
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: Sixth and for the first time he'd been poopooming all.

727
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,439
Speaker 1: Along he looks at it the monitor and he, goes,

728
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: hmmm that's the first time that had really dawn on.

729
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: Him that could have been. ME i could have been

730
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: in my twenty fifth five hundred and finished.

731
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 3: Sixth but.

732
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 9: Of course that Day Gordon johncock and a couple of

733
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 9: notes from that As Donald davidson reflecting on that nineteen

734
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 9: ninety one. Race that ninety one race had a bevy

735
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 9: of former winners in. It, OBVIOUSLY Aj, Foyt bobby Ray

736
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 9: hall was in that, Race Emerson, Fittipaldi Danny, Sullivan Mario,

737
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 9: Andretti Gordon John, cock Ari A, liondyke And Rick meers

738
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 9: And gordon John cock as we had Mentioned mike earlier

739
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 9: in the. Show the one time THAT i was able

740
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 9: to spend any time at all Around gordon John cock

741
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 9: after his racing career and away from a race. Track

742
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 9: one of the things that was brought up was that

743
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 9: nineteen ninety one. Race and John cock for somebody who

744
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 9: doesn't talk a lot about his career as a race car,

745
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 9: driver and you, know even in his, home there is

746
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 9: very little there that would tell you that he was

747
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 9: a race car. Driver he has his baby borgs displayed

748
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 9: and a fabulous portrait of the eighty two finish displayed

749
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 9: within his, home but it doesn't have the large trophy

750
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 9: cases and photo displays that a lot of people would,

751
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 9: have rightly so to reflect on their. Career but one

752
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 9: of the things in talking To gordon John cock THAT

753
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 9: i could tell was the race that he genuinely enjoyed

754
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 9: talking about WHEN i brought it, up was that nineteen

755
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 9: ninety one race because that had been my senior year high.

756
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 9: SCHOOL i reflect on that race very. Fondly you had

757
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 9: the epic shootout That donald mentioned there Between Michael andretti

758
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 9: And Rick meers late in the, race AND i got

759
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 9: the impression that as much as his two wins At,

760
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 9: indianapolis That Gordon johncock was as happy about that top

761
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 9: ten finish and that nineteen ninety one race almost as

762
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 9: anything that he could be proud about during the course

763
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 9: of his racing.

764
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 10: CAREER i believe that, especially you, know when you step

765
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 10: away from the game and then you come back and

766
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 10: and you, know he hadn't run the five hundred again

767
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 10: for a couple of, years and you, KNOW i think

768
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 10: that had to have been extremely satisfying to grab that

769
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 10: sixth place finish and you know that was his you,

770
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 10: know next to Last indianapolis five hundred and his next

771
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 10: to last championship, Start so that had to be pretty.

772
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: SATISFYING i think.

773
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 9: When you look back at your time in watching, Racing,

774
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 9: mike you, know there are a lot of drivers that

775
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 9: you had his, favorites or drivers maybe that you even

776
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 9: saw in, person or drivers that your uncle or your

777
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 9: dad or you, know others have told you about that

778
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 9: was their. Favorite John cox is an interesting one because you,

779
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 9: KNOW i think you meet a lot of people that

780
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 9: they Loved, mario or they Loved alanceer Or Bobby hunts

781
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 9: or whatever it might, be and then they have drivers

782
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 9: that they say why BUT i rooted against that. Guy

783
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 9: you never really hear either of those things About gordon John.

784
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 9: Cock AND i mean that not as a bad, thing

785
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 9: BUT i don't know that anybody necessarily that you meet

786
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 9: says my favorite driver Was gordon John. Cock but at

787
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 9: the same, time you don't really meet anybody who rooted against.

788
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 9: Him he was a very likable.

789
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 10: Driver, Yeah and it's funny Because i've heard a couple of,

790
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 10: times you, know people really want him to come back

791
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 10: and do one of the you, know the autograph sessions

792
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 10: you know that they have On Legends day or that

793
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 10: we have out at The memoraba.

794
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: Show and AND i had heard a couple of.

795
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 10: Times that that That gordon John cock had said something

796
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 10: to the fact, like, well you, know nobody wants to see.

797
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 10: Me they only want to see you, Know, mario or

798
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 10: they only want to SEE aj or something like. That

799
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 10: and and AND i think that's really not the. CASE

800
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 10: i think people really want to See Gordon johncock BECAUSE

801
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 10: a he hasn't been around in a long, time AND

802
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 10: B i think he's a lot more popular than maybe

803
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 10: he thinks he. Is I'VE i actually at The Memory view,

804
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 10: SHOW i get asked a lot of times For Gordon

805
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 10: John coock. Stuff you have Any Gordon John kyk patches

806
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 10: or any photographs and stuff like. That SO i actually

807
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 10: think he has still to this day a bigger fan

808
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 10: base he than he might think he. HAS i think

809
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 10: he he was a very popular, driver AND i think

810
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 10: part of that is the no. Nonsense you, know he

811
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 10: was a, racers, racer no, nonsense didn't do a you,

812
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 10: know wasn't, flashy just like you said at the beginning

813
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 10: of the, show put his foot down on the, floor

814
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 10: AND i think people respected him and still respect him

815
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 10: to this day for.

816
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 9: That he certainly is connected to plenty of stories of,

817
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 9: greatness you, know overcoming tragedy and turning it into, triumph

818
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 9: getting the opportunity to take advantage of it and become

819
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 9: a two time. Winner and that seventy three. Race you,

820
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 9: know that's one of the things that he talks, about

821
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 9: as we, heard is that it was just that he

822
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 9: would win that eighty two race after winning in nineteen seventy,

823
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 9: three that race that had so much sadness with. It

824
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 9: we appreciate you listening tonight to beyond The bricks