1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Lie from the heartland and the crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,840 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: Tony Cats today. 3 00:00:54,760 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: One step closer to piece maybe possibly, I certainly hope so, 4 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: But how is it going to happen without American troops? 5 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: Because already, already President Trump has said so, he said 6 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 2: so on Fox you heard the it said from Caroline Levitt, 7 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 2: the Press secretary. So no American troops involved in trying 8 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 2: to create a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine. Meanwhile, 9 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: Russia launching a major a bombing attack very very close 10 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 2: to the NATO border. It was the Romanian's Ministry of 11 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: Defense pushing out to German aircraft stationed at this Romanian 12 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: base as part of NATO's Enhanced Air Policing Mission. They 13 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 2: were there to monitor the situation. So Putin is saying 14 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: all the right thing things but doing exactly what he does, 15 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: which is lying. So does anybody believe that a deal 16 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 2: can be made? Or do you at least try to 17 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 2: make the deal before the next step? Did I say, hello, 18 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Kats today, good to be with you 19 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: eight three to three got Tony eight three three four 20 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: six eight eight six six' nine eight three three Got 21 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 2: tony streaming live, YouTube twitter X, Facebook, Facebook Tony Cats 22 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,239 Speaker 2: Radio twitter X Tony Cats. YouTube Tony cats join the, 23 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 2: chat say, hello happy to talk to. YOU i am 24 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 2: only hopeful That President trump doesn't have to be somebody 25 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 2: who goes back on this Regarding american troops on the 26 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 2: ground in creating some kind of, piece deal in creating 27 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 2: some kind of lasting, piece because certainly what we can 28 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: are argue is that in order for there to be 29 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: any lasting, piece there's going to have to be some 30 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: type of. MISSION i am not arguing in favor Of 31 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 2: american troops on the. GROUND i want to make Sure 32 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 2: i'm perfectly clear. THERE i am saying that if you 33 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 2: think this is going to happen without some level of security, 34 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 2: forces well that's just not. Possible of, course there's going 35 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 2: to be some level of security guarantees going. On this is. 36 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 2: Happening there's a clear path to The europeans doing this 37 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: because it is in their best interest to do. So 38 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 2: it is they who are the ones who have to 39 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: who have to figure out how they stay, secure And 40 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: ukraine as a buffer From poland and other places is 41 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: the way to do. It it's the only way to do. 42 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: It so you Keep ukraine, there and you want them 43 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: to be. Victorious you put in that either THAT nato 44 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 2: mission or something, else something from just The european. Powers 45 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 2: you have it supported By american, hardware Where ukraine has 46 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 2: already said they'll buy one hundred million dollars worth of our. 47 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: GOODS nato is already Buying american, power meaning our military, 48 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: power and that's the. Deal but there was a conversation 49 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 2: about whether or not THE us would engage, pilots so 50 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 2: you basically you're talking about some level of a no fly. Zone, 51 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 2: yeah that's probably the way it's gonna. Work it's not 52 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:54,679 Speaker 2: the way it's gonna. Work. Now on the, comments someone 53 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 2: says THAT i have become a neo. Con why are 54 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 2: you defending a country That congress cuts weapon off in 55 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 2: twenty eighteen because there were too Many nazis in the. 56 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 2: Military listen to me very very, carefully if you. Will 57 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: no part of me has ever said That ukraine is 58 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 2: some kind of great. PLACE i am not making that 59 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: argument at. All i'm making the argument That russia's the. 60 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 2: Aggressor this is not a. Debate russia is an expansion is. 61 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 2: Power i'm willing to debate this all day. Long i've 62 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 2: got history on my, side and most, IMPORTANTLY i don't 63 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: WANT nato drawn into, anything because THEN i, am like, 64 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 2: you compelled to engage Via article. Five it's not a 65 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 2: neocon thing to note That russia is the aggressor and 66 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: we should Support ukraine and being able to push Back. 67 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 2: Russia as a matter of, fact to say it's a 68 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 2: neocon thing is one of the most bull crap THINGS 69 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: i have come. Across it is non. Sensical and if 70 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 2: you think That Vladimir putin is somehow a guy who 71 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 2: lives up to his, WORD i don't think you've been paying. 72 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 2: Attention Vladimir putin is the guy who Told, trump sure 73 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: we can do, This sure we can do, that and 74 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: then engage more drone, attacks Upsetting trump or just somehow 75 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 2: that not a. Thing, sorry you can call me a 76 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 2: Neo khan from now to the end of. Time it 77 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:31,119 Speaker 2: doesn't move me at. All to, Me, moreover it shows 78 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: a lack of understanding of the situation that everybody is. 79 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 2: In if you want to Say ukraine you're on your, 80 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 2: own that's, fine but that MEANS nato is, next and 81 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 2: that means that means we're gonna have to get. Involved 82 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 2: that's what it means, right it's comments like. This what 83 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 2: About Boris, johnson who was Then Prime minister of The United, 84 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 2: kingdom who told him not to sign aapiece deal Meaning. Ukraine, 85 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 2: Well i'm going to now ask the question this. Way 86 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 2: i'm here right. Now what is it that you want 87 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: the world that you want or the world that? Is 88 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 2: because if you want the world that you, want, well 89 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: then allow me to introduce you to being a. LIBERAL 90 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: i have to live in the world as it, is 91 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 2: AND i have to figure out how to deal in that. 92 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 2: World in that, world If russia is able to Take 93 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 2: ukraine And, toto Then poland is, next AND, i as 94 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 2: An american and, you as An, american are now going 95 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 2: to have to deal with that Via article, five we 96 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 2: will be dragged into a. War isn't it better to 97 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: give these people bullets right? Now isn't it better to 98 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 2: give The ukrainians bullets right now to keep that from. 99 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 2: Happening if you want to keep arguing how bad The ukrainians, 100 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: are you, can but The russians will advance Because putin will. 101 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: Advance so SINCE i understand, this and The europeans understand, 102 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: this AND i am pretty Positive trump understands, this what 103 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 2: are we talking? About you say to me as you 104 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 2: do in the, comments and when they attack A nato, 105 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 2: COUNTRY i, say erase them from the. Earth but until 106 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 2: then we don't. Know with all due, respect not only 107 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 2: is that an absolutely horrific foreign, Policy i'm going to 108 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 2: dismiss it out of. Hand how about we do everything 109 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: possible to stop the attack from. Happening how about we 110 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: engage a concept that has well worked for us called. 111 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 2: Deterrence you think that that's all about being a. NEOCON 112 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 2: i think that's about. Safety and if you can engage 113 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: to terrence with somebody else's blood and, treasure CAN i 114 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: ask what your problem? Is this Is trump's entire methodology 115 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: spelling it out for. You i'm countering the pseudo intellectual neocon, 116 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 2: argument AND i believe it's pseudo, intellectual ALTHOUGH i think 117 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 2: you come to me in good, faith AND i appreciate 118 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 2: THAT i should be more polite to, you the people 119 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 2: who make this. Argument i'm countering it With trump's own. 120 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 2: Concepts it costs us, Nothing we make, money and we're 121 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 2: doing the right thing engaging in protection because it keeps 122 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 2: us from having to be involved in a. War CAN 123 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 2: i ask what the problem? IS i don't see. It 124 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: as a matter of, FACT i think the people who 125 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 2: were opposed to Sending ukraine guns and bullets and, weaponry 126 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 2: we're always on the wrong, side and we're not on 127 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 2: a conservative, side not, once not. Ever here It's Steve, 128 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 2: MANON i don't care if It's Marjorie Taylor. GREEN i 129 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 2: don't care who it. Was IF i Saw steve, TODAY 130 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 2: i would talk to him. Today we disagree about some. 131 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 2: Things we move on with our. DAY i don't. Know 132 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 2: maybe go get a. Steak IF i Saw Marjorie Taylor green, 133 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 2: TODAY i would laugh in her face and walk, away not, 134 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: Interested thank you very. Much this is What trump is 135 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 2: set in to. Do now we've discussed what it is 136 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 2: That russia could get out of a potential peace, deal 137 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 2: and What russia would get out of a potential peace 138 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 2: deal is the ability to sell. Oil they have only 139 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 2: one commodity and that is, oil and they want to sell, 140 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 2: it and they want to sell it quite, badly And 141 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 2: india wants to be able to buy it because they 142 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 2: are super thirsty and sick and tired of being. Poor 143 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 2: can't blame. Them who in the world wants to be 144 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 2: poor in order to not be. Poor you have to. 145 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 2: Develop in order to, develop you need. Energy and all 146 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: of these lefties who want to say we need green 147 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 2: this and green that are never gonna get these third 148 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 2: world in second world in many, cases first world nations on. 149 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 2: Board because these nations want to grow and they want to, 150 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 2: thrive and to do, so they need. Energy and they're 151 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 2: not gonna pay exorbitant fees for energy when you were 152 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 2: able to use. Coal they're gonna, say kiss my, coal 153 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,359 Speaker 2: and they're gonna go about setting these things into furnaces 154 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 2: and burning this stuff and pushing it into the. Sky 155 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 2: can't blame. Them they want cheap. Energy india Wants russian. 156 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 2: Oil drives me, nuts that's what they. Want they haven't stopped. 157 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 2: Yet they Look trump in the eye, said terrifill you. 158 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 2: Want this is still, happening but we're your place for data. 159 00:11:55,440 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 2: Centers russia wants to sell more. Oil this is their entire. 160 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 2: Economy but what happens if it goes the other? Way 161 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 2: If putin Crosses trump and no deal is made and 162 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 2: is engaging in more of a war Footing Coina, Center Lindsay, 163 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 2: graham you have Got President trump set to crush The russian. 164 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: Economy If putin avoids talks With, Zelenski so the possibility 165 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,719 Speaker 2: of this trilateral meeting if he doesn't show, up, well 166 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 2: here's what. Happens would seem to me that in order 167 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 2: to make that, work what you would need to do 168 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,599 Speaker 2: is Get mody in the, room wouldn't that makes sense to, 169 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 2: everybody The Prime minister Of, india if this is a 170 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,080 Speaker 2: Really lynchpinn kind of, place you would get him in 171 00:12:59,960 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 2: the room to Get putin to recognize the financial opportunity 172 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 2: being lost if he doesn't just take forty two percent 173 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 2: of the, land sell oil and shut. Up, now WHEN 174 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 2: i say that forty two percent of the, land sell 175 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 2: oil and shut, up who DO i sound? Like that's 176 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 2: WHAT i. Thought that's WHAT i. Thought so what Does graham? 177 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 2: Know what Does graham? Believe what basis for his? Arguments 178 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 2: WHILE i leave that to. Others but the carrot is 179 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 2: you get to make Money, russia and the stick is 180 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 2: you don't ever get to make a. Dime we're gonna 181 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 2: starve you out a La reagan And. Gorbachev so we 182 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 2: are one step, closer and one step, closer and one step, 183 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 2: closer and still miles. Away to, me that's the most 184 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 2: sober look at the SITUATION i could give. You let's move. 185 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 2: On keep it. Here I'm Tony, katz and this Is 186 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: Tony katz today