1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: Live from the heart Bad and the crossroads of America. 2 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today. So if the Senate. 3 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: Hearing with FBI Director Cash Hotel wasn't clinically insane enough, 4 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: now we've got the House at their oversight hearing taking 5 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: their turn. 6 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you. 7 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 2: This is the House Judiciary Committee. 8 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: They're hearing with the FBI Director Cashpatel. And when we 9 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: last left Cashpatel, he was having a very genteel conversation 10 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: with California Senator Adam Schiff. 11 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 3: No, I think the American people believe the truth that 12 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 3: I'm not in the weeds on the everyday movements. In 13 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 3: what I am doing is protecting this country, providing the 14 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 3: historic and combatting. 15 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 2: The reponnovation of intelligence. 16 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 3: And we have less be proven you to be a 17 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 3: lawyer in Russia Gate in January six brought to every 18 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 3: sing United States tennant disgrace to this time and an 19 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:11,919 Speaker 3: utter caun. 20 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: I'm not surprised. 21 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,639 Speaker 3: I'm not surprised that you continue to lie from your. 22 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 2: Party and put on a show of you. You can 23 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 2: go raise money for your charo reason. You are political 24 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 2: buffoon at best. Well, you can take. 25 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 3: Take it to the bank that the FBI is protected 26 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 3: stateside California. 27 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 2: Historic Report of Order. 28 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 3: But all you care about is a child sex predator 29 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 3: that was prosecuted by a prior administration and the Obama 30 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 3: Justice Department and the Biden Justice Department did squad? 31 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 2: And what did President Trump do? Bring new charges courageously? 32 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: And what have we done? 33 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 3: Take the most transparent FBI director in history, thirty three 34 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 3: thousand pages of information to you, I challenge you to 35 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 3: say anything credibly to the truth. 36 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 2: Go ahead and run into cameras where you want to go. 37 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:11,399 Speaker 1: Now, So, yeah, that all went well. Honestly, for many 38 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: of you, it reminded you of a family reunion that's 39 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving with your progressive uncle. I expect the same level 40 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: of insanity coming from people like Jamie Raskin. 41 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 4: Are in shock to the brutal assassination of Charlie Kirk 42 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 4: in cold blood. And there is never any warrant for 43 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 4: political violence in America. And just as we all recoiled 44 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 4: together at the shocking assassination of Melissa Hortman and others 45 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 4: who died in that Minnesota attack, we all stand together 46 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 4: categorically against political violence in America. And determined to end 47 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 4: you know, these cycles of of political violence that have 48 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 4: traumatized the country. 49 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: I would say that's great, except why not call out 50 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: the people on the political left who are cheering these things? 51 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: Why not call those people out? Jamie Raskin, I mean, 52 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: I'm almost pleased to should say to an extent, please 53 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 1: to hear him say such a thing. But why does 54 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: it have to connect to this one? Why does that 55 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: have to connect to that one? Why doesn't exist on 56 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:31,279 Speaker 1: its own? The assassination of Charlie Kirk is an assassination. 57 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: The story in Minnesota, this woman who was killed, this politico, 58 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: we still don't have. 59 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: The whole story. 60 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: Who was this guy who went to the home of 61 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: Melissa Hortman, This guy who was appointed by Tim Walls 62 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: to two different committees, or appointed twice? Was it to 63 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: the same committee? By the way, luckily another state senator survived. 64 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 2: Who is this dude? 65 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: I again, I don't use names, right, And what was 66 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: his connections? 67 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 2: People want to say, well, he was a Trump supporter. 68 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: There's nothing that says, my gosh, he was there twenty 69 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: four to seven and was ginned up by Donald Trump 70 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: and by the political right to go out there and attack. 71 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 2: This member of the Minnesota House. Basically, she was a 72 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,799 Speaker 2: state rep. Nothing, nothing, that's not real. 73 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: What they're trying to create is a level of equivocation 74 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 1: between this and Charlie Kirk. 75 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 2: Where it is clear, especially now that we have seen. 76 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: The text messages of this guy and his romantic partner, 77 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: this man who was allegedly transitioning to be a woman, 78 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: even though you can't do that because men are men 79 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: and women are women, and you cannot become a woman. 80 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: It's just not the way it works. And that's not rude, 81 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: by the way, that's just fact. That's just fact. You've 82 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: got the conversations of eighty six forty seven by James Comey. 83 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 2: You've got the idea that if you don't. 84 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,559 Speaker 1: Use the right pronoun, you're denying the existence of trans 85 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: people and you're erasing them. You have everybody saying that 86 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and MAGA and people on the political right, 87 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: they're a threat to democracy. There's a difference between these things. 88 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: I don't think we should deny what happened to Representative Hortman. 89 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: I think we should talk about it, and I want 90 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: to know more about that killer and what happened and 91 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: how we can prevent these things to the best of 92 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: our ability. Political assassinations have taken place in our past, 93 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: and they have taken place in history's past. The assassin 94 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: of Charlie Kirk wasitical, by the way, one week ago today, 95 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: one week ago. 96 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 2: Today, right about this time is when the news broke. 97 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 2: This was about. 98 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: Ginning up an entire segment of America to thinking that, Oh, 99 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: I can't live with that hate anymore. You mean he 100 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: disagreed with you, that's the hate. I think communists are 101 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: chock full of hate. Oh, by the way, they are. 102 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: They're also violent people. They're also murderous people. 103 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 2: They are. 104 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: I mean, the history is just replete with examples, and 105 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: if taken to its end degree, that's what you get. 106 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: Don't tell me Venezuela is just some nice paradise while 107 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: they eat pigeons. There's a difference between these things that 108 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: we should say so, and I will not allow. 109 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 2: For the equivocation. 110 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: So even when I hear Jamie Rousk can say these 111 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: things the congressman from Maryland, the progressive who was happy 112 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: to impeach Trump twice, who is a radical progressive, it 113 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: is moral equivocation, or it is a level of equivocation 114 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: to the idea, well, this was bad, but this was 115 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: also bad. No one is saying that the killing of 116 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: Representative Hortman isn't We talked about it, but it is 117 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:10,239 Speaker 1: based on the fact different then what happened to Charlie Kirk. 118 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: They aren't equivalent things Outside of both people were killed. 119 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: There is a question as to why. Now you'll note 120 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: that I don't think that the crime is different. I say, 121 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: charge both of these so called men. And that's just 122 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: because if you're going around killing people you disagree with, 123 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: what kind of man are you charge them? I don't 124 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: think it's more of a I actually don't think it's 125 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: more of a crime because it's Charlie Kirk. I don't 126 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: think it's more of a crime because it is somebody 127 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: who sits in political office. Although the law might say 128 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: that that is more of a crime, there might be 129 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: other charges that can be brought. 130 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: I'm not saying that you shouldn't prosecute them differently. 131 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,239 Speaker 1: I am stating that what brought us to the PLA 132 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: is different, and if we don't acknowledge that, we will 133 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: never be able to engage the full and complete story. 134 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: And we need to. We have to we don't have 135 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: an option. If we don't, we are doomed a. 136 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: Crazed person, which does exist in our history, going after 137 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: this member of the Minnesota House of Representatives, going after multiples, 138 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: by the way, because it was State Senator John Hoffman 139 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,839 Speaker 1: and his wife who were shot and hospitalized, they survived. 140 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: It was Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark who were killed. 141 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: That is a different story than the Charlie Kirk story. 142 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 2: The Charlie Kirk story. 143 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: The assassin there is about left wing propagandizing the story 144 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: of the killer of Melissa Hortman. I still don't have 145 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: the full picture, and I don't know why we don't 146 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: have the full picture. 147 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: I would appreciate it, I think you would. 148 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 1: Federal charging documents describe the shooter as acting with quote 149 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: the intent to kill, injury, harass, and intimidate Minnesota legislators. 150 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 1: There was a list of people he wanted to go after, 151 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: including elected officials and abortion providers, pro abortion rights activists 152 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: and lawmakers in Minnesota and Wisconsin. And in his car 153 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: flyers that said no Kings, which is that anti Trump insanity. 154 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 2: So my point to you is, I still don't know 155 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: about this dude. 156 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: When we find out more, we should discuss it, but 157 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't take away from what we know about the 158 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: assassin of Charlie Kirk, who turned himself politically left, who 159 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: engaged these left wing talking points and decided that Charlie 160 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: Kirk had too much hate and couldn't be reasoned with. 161 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 2: Oh well then. 162 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: That makes it all okay. So they're gonna now speak 163 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: with Cash Paatel, and if it's anything like what happened 164 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: on the Senate side, it should be very very interesting. 165 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: Oh and uh, if Cash Hotel again says that the 166 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: FBI has no proof that Jeffrey Epstein was trafficking women 167 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: to people and that they don't have any names of 168 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: people he trafficked them too, I'm still gonna say, Cashpatel, 169 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: FBI director, I flat out don't believe you. 170 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 2: But that's that's just me. I'll wait you two. Huh 171 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 2: what do you know about that? Keep it here. This 172 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 2: is Tony Kats Today,