1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Casey. We have talked about this story for months, and 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: I think it's time for us to try to get 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: some clarity for the public about allegedly what took place. 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this involves the office of the Lieutenant governor. 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of like Casey. 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 2: You know. 7 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: By the way, I'm Rob that's Casey, and this story surfaced. 8 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 1: I guess it's been months ago now about allegations of 9 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: artificial intelligence pornography being viewed in the Lieutenant Governor's office. 10 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: A freelance journalist by the name of Tom la Bianco 11 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: ran the story and then it came out to the 12 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: Marion County Prosecutor's office was investigating that, and shortly into this, 13 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: you know, there were multiple stories that came out about this. 14 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: I said, I have talked to someone who is alleged 15 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: to have viewed the video, and this person has, on 16 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: multiple occasions consistently described to me what they observed, how 17 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: they observed the video itself, and that this person was 18 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: doing their civic duty to cooperate with authorities and when 19 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: they felt they were able to, they would come on 20 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: this program and describe those events to our audience and 21 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: put their name behind it. That's a key thing because 22 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: we've heard from somebody, oh, anonymous this, and anonymously I said, look, 23 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: there's a process, right, life is not law in order 24 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 1: where it gets wrapped up in one hour. 25 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the Lieutenant Governor himself on these airwaves said, 26 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:27,559 Speaker 2: who's ever making these claims? 27 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 3: I wish they would come forward? 28 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: Well they are, Yeah, here we go. So here to 29 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: talk about this with us today is Aaron Sheridan. She 30 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: is a former senior advisor to Micah Beck with to 31 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: the Lieutenant Governor Aarin. Hello, Hi, okay, So I want 32 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: to just set up a little bit that you. You 33 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: have served the State of Indiana for a very long 34 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: time up to it, including once being appointed the Auditor 35 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: of the State of Indiana community the Honorable Aaron Sheridan. 36 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: So can you tell us a little bit about your service. 37 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: Who you are in your service to the State of Indiana. 38 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 4: Sure. 39 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: So. 40 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 4: I started in two thousand under the Connie Nass administration 41 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 4: in the State Auditor's Office, and I have been worked 42 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 4: my way up and have worked in several under several 43 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 4: administrations and ended up taking I actually left the Auditor's 44 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 4: Office which is now the Comptroller's Office and moved to 45 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,399 Speaker 4: the Lieutenant Governor's office with Susie and Crouch. 46 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: Okay, so you were brought in by Micah to serve 47 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: in his administration. Can you tell us a little bit 48 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: of the details about how how you came to be 49 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: offered that job, accept that job, and what your role 50 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 1: was with Micah's office. 51 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 4: So my intent of the role was just helping my 52 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 4: I could get acclimated, and I blame you for. 53 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: The I highly recommended you for this position. Yes, it 54 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: is my. 55 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 4: Fault, but it was an exciting opportunity. I knew it 56 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 4: was going to be a challenge. I did not know 57 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 4: Micah very well, but he was came across very nice, 58 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 4: very pleasant, and he also did come across very green 59 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 4: about government and governing and even politics in general. But 60 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 4: I knew that that I had to place then. 61 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: Because the reality is in Casey and I've talked about this. 62 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: There were several people that I recommended to Micah because 63 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: it's easy to run on being an outsider, but once 64 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: you are in the office, it's not the wild West. 65 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: You can't do whatever you want, and you do need 66 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: a certain amount of seasoned professionals around you. 67 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 4: You know how state government yeah, definitely. 68 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: Okay, so obviously you are here today to talk about 69 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: the allegations of AI pornography in the Lieutenant Governor's office. 70 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: Can you tell us about the date when this occurred. 71 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 4: I do not have all of the details of what 72 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 4: I recalled in front of me, but I can tell 73 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 4: you that it's. First of all, I had no idea 74 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 4: even when a deep fake. I had never even heard 75 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 4: that word. Yeah, and so like that was new to me. 76 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 4: I was helping Micah during session, and I was somewhat 77 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 4: I wasn't the parliamentarian, but I was in there, so 78 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 4: he wasn't by himself. 79 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: So the parliamentarian is the person who helps the in 80 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: this case, it's either the secret sid or yes, Micah 81 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: is the president of Senate. This is the person that 82 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: helps Micah to keep the rules. It keeps a train 83 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: on tracks. 84 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, and so I guess I was the person who 85 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 4: just also kind of kept him, you know, going and 86 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 4: telling him what protocol, what should or shouldn't be happening, 87 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 4: and so on this particular day, it was it was 88 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 4: either the day after or two days after the Who's 89 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 4: your idol? Which is a benefit for mental health awareness. 90 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is April, like, yeah, it would have 91 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:28,799 Speaker 1: been an April. Okay, very good, all right, So what happened? 92 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: Can you walk us through? 93 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 4: Well, it's not near as exciting as what I think 94 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 4: that your listeners are gonna think that it is, but 95 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 4: it is important. 96 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: Right, So can you walk us through? Like? Who was 97 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: doing what? 98 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 4: And so I was walking through the office and I 99 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 4: heard some employees sitting around laughing and joking, and you 100 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 4: know it, it was a nice atmosphere and so I 101 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 4: paused and said, what's so fun? What's everyone laughing about? 102 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 4: And they were like, oh my gosh, check this out 103 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 4: and handed me a phone and I, of course, I 104 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 4: had to put on my glasses, my readers, and I 105 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 4: had no idea what I was getting ready to see. 106 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 4: And it was obviously was fake. It was AI, but 107 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 4: it was a video of Representative Haggard's wife Brook performing 108 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 4: at the Hoosier Idol and she was topless, and I immediately, 109 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 4: do you have your beeper ready? Buzzy your buzzer? I 110 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 4: immediately and I recognized it because I had been there 111 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 4: for the performance. Yeah. So she did a beautiful job. 112 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 4: It was it was one of the performances that stood out, 113 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 4: and so she I just was taken aback by it, 114 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 4: but I'll be I'll admit I wasn't like immediately offended 115 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:09,679 Speaker 4: or like in you know, I just was appalled that 116 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 4: they were so immature. So and so I just said, 117 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 4: you guys need to. 118 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: Okay, let's grow up. Okay, let me stop right there. 119 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: Just introduce it by Aaron Sheridan is our guest. She's 120 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: a former senior advisor to Micah beck With in Lieutenant 121 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: Governor's office, talking about her allegation that she viewed and 122 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: artificial intelligence pornography was being shared in the Lieutenant Governor's office. Okay, Now, 123 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: when you talk about people that were viewing it, are 124 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: they the people that were identified in the lobbyanco piece. Yes, okay, yes, 125 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: the individuals that he named, is I believe so? Yeah? 126 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, you said they? Who is they? 127 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 4: So they was our I don't know if if he 128 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 4: was our senior counsel. I don't think that he was 129 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 4: on staff or on contract. But he's a younger attorney 130 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 4: that worked for Micah in the church and then his 131 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 4: deputy chief of staff. And I mean, just to kind 132 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 4: of sad it that this was just the tone that 133 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 4: was in the office. It was very immature. 134 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: It was very. 135 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 4: Well as you said, wild wild west, that's what I 136 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 4: used to say. I mean, it was it was pretty 137 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 4: unbelievable that they were And I've got a pretty good 138 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 4: sense of humor, you. 139 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: Know that job. Yes, I'm very aware, but this was. 140 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 4: Just like a little bit over the top, as in 141 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 4: just very flipid about sharing that, okay and not and 142 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 4: knowing that we're in an open environment with cubicles and 143 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 4: other employees. And so if there was anything memorable probably 144 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 4: about that moment to anybody else who was in the room, 145 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 4: was that I said, you need to grow up. 146 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. So so when you said that to them 147 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 1: after viewing this, what was their response? 148 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 4: Their response was what? And I so then I walked away, 149 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 4: and I my because I was on a break in session, 150 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 4: and so then I just like couldn't believe it. And 151 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 4: I just was like, I was a little pissed because 152 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 4: we're working on some real issues we could have been 153 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 4: and they just were like, you know, had their feet 154 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 4: propped up or just like sitting around, and I just 155 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 4: I thought about it, and I thought, you know, I've 156 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 4: met Representative Haggard, and I bet that he's going to 157 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 4: be appalled if he knows that his good friend Micah 158 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 4: his staff is showing, you know, showing this video and 159 00:09:54,280 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 4: he so. So I came back around and I said, hey, 160 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 4: do me a favor and send that to Representative Haggard 161 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 4: and if he's okay with that video, I am too. 162 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 4: And looking back, I that was so misguided on my end, 163 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 4: because I should have said send it to Brooke Haggard 164 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 4: and see what she has to say. It doesn't matter 165 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 4: what her husband. 166 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: Says, right. 167 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 4: But they were like, well, even Micah thought it was funny, 168 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 4: and I said. 169 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,319 Speaker 1: Okay, so I think that's very important. 170 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 4: They said, what even Micah things thought that it was funny? 171 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 4: And I said. 172 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: Really, So they weren't playing that Micah either knew about 173 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: or had seen the video. Yeah, and you are certain 174 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: they said that. 175 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 4: I'm certain. 176 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: Okay. I think that is incredibly important part part of this. Okay. 177 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 4: So after that, I want to make clear to Rob 178 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:55,599 Speaker 4: that I don't if what other whatever kind of investigation 179 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 4: is happening. I don't want to. I don't want to 180 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 4: interfere with that, and I don't want to, but I 181 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 4: did feel I mean, you and I have a history 182 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 4: you and I are friends. I feel like that the 183 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 4: that there's some some people who had really good intent 184 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 4: for Micah's success, and they I think that it's just 185 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 4: he's he has exploited that, Okay, and I just want 186 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 4: to make sure that that I'm I'm not doing that 187 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 4: to other government workers that are investigating us. 188 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: Okay, did you report this then to anyone? Did you 189 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: tell anybody in the office that you saw this? 190 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 4: So I I did. The very next day. I went 191 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 4: into the chief of staff, Cherry Ellis, Cherry Ellis, and 192 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 4: I said, I did not put it to her in 193 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 4: a I have something to report. I said, hey, you 194 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 4: might want to pay a little bit closer attention on 195 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 4: what's going on back there. It's kind of a frat 196 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 4: house and Greg and Devin are sharing videos of a 197 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 4: legislator's wife topless. And she laughed and she's like, of 198 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 4: course they are. And I said, yeah, Like that's what's 199 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,959 Speaker 4: going to take all of us down, Like, is that 200 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 4: kind of sloppiness, that kind of professionalism as she's sitting there, 201 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 4: you know, with her grass cutting shoes on, and. 202 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: So, so you told the cheap of staff about this, yes, 203 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: and so, And I'll. 204 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 4: Be honest, I since it was in an open environment. 205 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 4: This I I don't know if they have been questioned, 206 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 4: but I'm not so sure they will. They won't deny this. 207 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know. Well, I guess Micah did 208 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 4: if you asked them. 209 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: Well this was This is gonna bring me to mya 210 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: if you're just just tuning in. Aaron Sheridan as our guest. 211 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: She's a senior or, was a senior advisor to Micah 212 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: Beck with the lieutenant governor. We're talking about her allegation 213 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: that artificial intelligence pornography was shared in the Lieutenant Governor's office. Okay, 214 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: so that brings me to my next point. Micah claims 215 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: he conducted an investigation. I have seen the comments on 216 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: social media where people that are very close to him 217 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 1: have alleged that it's you. Clearly, you would have to 218 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,599 Speaker 1: be an idiot to think that didn't get back to 219 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: him at any point. Has Micah reached out to you 220 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: to say, hey, Aaron, you were in the office at 221 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: that time. A lot of people are saying you're the 222 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: person who saw this. What did you see? 223 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 4: Not one time? And I have spoken to Micah. I've 224 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 4: spoken to Micah. He was kind enough to offer to 225 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 4: host my mom's funeral and so, and I think that 226 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,599 Speaker 4: that's a really important another. 227 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 3: Layer to this. 228 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 4: It's that Micah just like didn't understand the full picture 229 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 4: of what was going on, and the lack of experience 230 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 4: and the way that Micah treated his office. They came 231 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 4: in with an opinion of government and state employees and 232 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 4: they didn't realize that some things are just simply set 233 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 4: up for a reason. You can politicize all of this, 234 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 4: but you still have to, like, somebody still needs to 235 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 4: pave the streets, and somebody still needs to pay the bills. 236 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: More with Aaron Sheridan, former senior advisor to Micah beck With, 237 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: who claims artificial intelligence pornography was shared in Lieutenant Governor's office. 238 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:46,479 Speaker 1: When we come back, it's Kennelly Casey show ninety three WIBC. Moment, 239 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: it's Kennelly Casey shown three WIBC. I'm Rob Casey's here, 240 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: of course, Casey. We're continuing our conversation now with Aaron Sheridan. 241 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: She is the former senior advisor to Micah beck With 242 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: who claims artificial intelligence pornography was shared in the Lieutenant 243 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: Governor's office. If you missed the first part of the interview. 244 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: We'll have it posted you go back and listen to 245 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: it later. She alleges that the people who are sharing 246 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: it said the Lieutenant Governor knew about it, and that 247 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: she told Michael beck With was chief of staff Sherry 248 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: Ellis about this CASEY go ahead, I. 249 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 2: Want to get specific. These can just be one word answers. 250 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 2: When you saw the phone? Was it a state phone 251 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 2: or was it a personal selfie? I do not know 252 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 2: whose hand was it in. 253 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 4: I don't remember it was either. I believe that it 254 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 4: was Devin, but they were sharing it between themselves, so 255 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 4: I do not know who filmed it. I do not 256 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 4: know who. I shouldn't say filmed it because it was 257 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 4: pretty obvious it was fake I who created it, Yeah, 258 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 4: but it also was real enough that I knew exactly 259 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 4: who it was and what the How long was it? 260 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 4: I don't know how. 261 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 3: Long it was the entire performance was I. 262 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 4: Don't know that. I don't know because I immediately handed 263 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 4: it back. I mean, in hindsight, I wish that I 264 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 4: would have, you know, paid closer attention. I just didn't. 265 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 2: And I'm familiar with the layout of the Lieutenant Governor's office. 266 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 3: Where exactly in the space was this. 267 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 4: Someone by the fireplace? 268 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: All right, so we got just a couple of minutes left. 269 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: I want to just kind of reset this for everybody 270 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: because I do want to make sure that the people 271 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: understand sort of the high level this, because this gets 272 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: very complex. You are you are telling us that they 273 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: told you Micah was aware of this. Yes, and you 274 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: also reported this the day after to the chief of 275 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: staff of the Lieutenant governor, and so she was aware 276 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: of this too. 277 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 4: Yes, all right, And I because I know all of 278 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 4: your listeners, I should say, all your friendly fans, rob 279 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 4: are going to be calling something out about this. There's 280 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 4: just nothing. There's nothing here to make up. Everybody wanted 281 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 4: to see Mica succeed. We still want to see Mica succeed. 282 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 4: I just I want to make it clear too that 283 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 4: I can back up, you know, everything that I'm saying. 284 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 4: I'm not going to do it right this second, but 285 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 4: I think you know, once, once whoever is done looking 286 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 4: into this, I'm assuming the Ethics Commission and others are. 287 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 4: I'm certain the Governor's office is probably looking into things. 288 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 4: But there's you know, he's separately elected, so there's not 289 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 4: really a lot that they can do. 290 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: All right, Well, thank you for taking the time to 291 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 1: share this story real quick. I also want to point 292 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: out I think this is important. You have had to 293 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: spend a lot of your own money getting your own 294 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 1: legal counsel to do the right thing. 295 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 4: I did because I think that this interview is going 296 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 4: to first of all, bring up a lot of questions. 297 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 4: But I I think that yeah, I mean, I didn't 298 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 4: know why I was being contacted. This isn't something that 299 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 4: I set up. I did not know this article was 300 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 4: coming out. I know that Micah has you know, sicked 301 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 4: his his crazies on me, and it's just it's just 302 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 4: completely inappropriate. I mean, there's just no there's no excuse 303 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 4: for this. 304 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 2: Are you worried about being able to find another job 305 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 2: at the state House or in government going forward? 306 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 4: I don't think that I'll be able to do you 307 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 4: even want to? Of course, I still believe in this, 308 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 4: I do, and I believe in the good of government, 309 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 4: I really do. And you know, I've worked for some 310 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 4: elected officials who I didn't agree with, and but this 311 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 4: is different. This is this is this is a team 312 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 4: of people who are exploiting what we're all doing here. 313 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 4: And this isn't about Republicans or Democrats. They're they're using 314 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 4: religion to come in and exploit others. And and and 315 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 4: I don't know if that was one of the reasons, 316 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 4: you know their problem with me. They they do not. 317 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 4: They are open, They're open about they don't like Catholics. 318 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 4: They're open about, you know, their dislike of of women 319 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 4: in leadership positions. You know, I'm not. And when I 320 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 4: say they, I'm I'm gonna hold Mike accountable because he's 321 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 4: at the top of the chain, all. 322 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 1: Right, And they well, and and unfortunately got to go. 323 00:19:58,720 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: But I want to thank you for coming in and 324 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: telling this. I mean, like I said, obviously people are 325 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: going to make up their own minds, but I really 326 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: appreciate you taking the time to come in. 327 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 4: And well I felt like I didn't get to tell 328 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 4: my entire story. 329 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: Well, well you'll come back. 330 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 4: I will, I will, But I do want to make 331 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 4: sure that that I appreciate you guys letting me come 332 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 4: in here. And I also appreciate you guys speaking up. 333 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 4: And I know that you're really disappointed Rob because you 334 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 4: I knew I was rolling the dice. But I know 335 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 4: that you had a lot of a lot of feelings 336 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 4: for Micah and he was your friend. And then you 337 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 4: also got Casey and I involved, and yes, as usual, 338 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 4: we put our faith in it, and it just was 339 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 4: like it was so exciting, you know, around this time 340 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 4: in January, to know that we were going to make 341 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 4: a difference, and it's just it's it's unfortunate that it 342 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 4: turned this way. 343 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 3: So it is Kendell and Casey. It's WIBC. 344 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 1: No, no, no, okay, So let's talk a little bit. 345 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: Process worked through the interview we just aired here on 346 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: the Kendall and Casey Show and Rob that's Casey. Aeron 347 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: sheridanformer a senior advisor to the Lieutenant Governor, came on 348 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: our program described in detail allegedly viewing and the viewing 349 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: of and sharing of artificial intelligence pornography in the Lieutenant 350 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: Governor's office. I'm sure the news will run clips of 351 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: it throughout the day, will post the podcast up if 352 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: you want to listen. Let's there's a couple takeaways that 353 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: case people missed it just very high level. Number One, 354 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: she claims that the people who were viewing and sharing 355 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: the artificial intelligence pornography said the Lieutenant governor was aware 356 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: of it correct that he knew that that video existed. 357 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: I think that is very important because Micah has I'm 358 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: on Hammer and Nigel multiple times now and in other 359 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 1: media outlets and claimed he has no idea about any 360 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 1: of this. She being Aaron Sheridan, also claims that she 361 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: told Sherry Ellis, the chief of staff for Micah beck With, 362 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: about the video the next I believe she said the 363 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: next day, and that she was basically just laughed out 364 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: of the room for lack of a better expression, and 365 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 1: that no action was taken on any of this. So 366 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: that brings us to this point, which is you either 367 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: have to both of these people cannot be telling the truth. 368 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: The statements are in direct conflict with each other. There's 369 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: no wiggle room. Oh. The other thing that she said 370 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: that I think is super important is that Micah's supporters 371 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: on social media I've seen this have attacked her for 372 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: basically the entire process. They knew because they were naming 373 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: her that she was one of the people who was 374 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: cooperating with law enforcement. And so if they knew, they, 375 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: being Micah's supporters, knew, there's no way Micah didn't know, 376 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: and she said very specifically. Even though she had talked 377 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: to Micah on multiple occasions, Micah never asked her what 378 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: do you know about this, what did you see? 379 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 2: Et cetera, even though he said that he had an 380 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 2: internal investigation. 381 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 1: Right and look these Micah no more did an internal 382 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: investigation than Diego Morales paid that money back for that 383 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: trip to India, and they've offered the same amount of proof. 384 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: So these two statements are in direct contrast with each other. 385 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: Both of these people cannot be telling the truth. So 386 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: you have to decide. Now, you the listener have to decide, 387 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: and I encourage everybody go back and listen to the interview. 388 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: You have to decide who's telling the truth either a 389 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: woman who has gained absolutely nothing by doing this other 390 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: than headache and hassle. She's had to spend her own 391 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: money on legal counsel, she has said. She said at 392 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: the end of the interview, the doing this will make 393 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: her unhirable because she's talking to the media about internal 394 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: things inside a statewide office holder's office and has been 395 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: a part of state government for basically thirty years now 396 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,479 Speaker 1: various administrations. She was so respected that she was named 397 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 1: the interim auditor at one point for the state of 398 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 1: Indiana by the governor of the state. Why would that 399 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 1: person make all of this up? Where would you even 400 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: fathom beginning to make this up? So either she's lying 401 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: or the guy who on this very program we have 402 00:24:55,080 --> 00:25:06,479 Speaker 1: caught innumerous lies and at best, inconsistent conflicting statements. I'm sorry, Casey. 403 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: I've known Erin for too long. I know who she 404 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: is as a person, and I don't even agree with 405 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: it or a bunch of stuff politically, but I know 406 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 1: who she is as a person. I know how much 407 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: she loves the state. I know how much she tried 408 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: to help Micah. I feel horrible for Erin because I'm 409 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: the person who recommended her to Micah, because I wanted 410 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 1: Micah to succeed, and I knew he didn't know what 411 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: he was doing, and I knew who he's putting around him, 412 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: and I knew what that would get him, and what 413 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: it got him is exactly where he's at. And I 414 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: recommended Erin to Micah because I know her heart, I 415 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: know her integrity, I know who she is as a person, 416 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,719 Speaker 1: and I knew she knew how state government actually worked, 417 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: that it's not the wild West that you can't do 418 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: whatever you want to do, and that she would do 419 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: everything in her power to try to help him and 420 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: keep him on track. I just can't believe that she's 421 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: lying about all of that. 422 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 2: I was going to ask her why she didn't come 423 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 2: forward sooner, but she answered that question. She did come forward. 424 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 2: She did go to executive level. She went to the 425 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 2: chief of staff and said, hey, do you know this 426 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 2: is going on? 427 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: Yeah? I just she would have to be. If she's lying, 428 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: they should lock her in an institution. I mean, you 429 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: would you deal with a person that is that disturbed 430 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 1: to lie. And you can tell when somebody is when 431 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: you're asking them the stuff face to face, and the 432 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: story's never changed. By the way, I tried multiple times 433 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: to say, okay, even though I know this person, even 434 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: though I've known them for years. 435 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 3: You tried to poke holes in it, and the. 436 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 1: Story's never changed. And you can tell when somebody's sitting 437 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: across from you. You can tell when you ask them 438 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: direct pointed questions, how they answer it looks. You can 439 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: think it's a non story, you can think it's an 440 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, and that's fine. There's a reason the General 441 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: Assembly made this a crime, right so the clear of 442 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 1: the General Assembly thought there was something to it. But 443 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 1: the bigger story here is it goes to honesty and integrity. 444 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: That's what this is about. This is about If she's 445 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 1: telling the truth, then the Lieutenant Governor clearly is not. 446 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 1: And I just refuse to believe, knowing her for as 447 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 1: long as I have and knowing how she served the 448 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: state and knowing that you'd have to be a literal 449 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: insane person to make all that up, that she's lying 450 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: about all that, I just can't believe. 451 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 3: It A strolling reputation for over two decades. 452 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: So anyway, if you missed it, you can go back 453 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: and listen to it at your leisure. I'm sure the 454 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 1: WIBC News will have a posted in some capacity. We'll 455 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,239 Speaker 1: hear the clips throughout the day. And now it's up 456 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 1: for you to decide. You have two very different stories 457 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: on what happened, and you can make the call. 458 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 2: Hammer's going to join us next. It is Kendall and 459 00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 2: Casey on ninety three WYBC. 460 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: You have come up with the best nickname for anyone ever, 461 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: and I think you should copyright it and put it 462 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: on the Hammer and Nigel merch Store, the notorious pig. Yes, 463 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: thank you, tell us about the notorious pig. 464 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 5: So the notorious pig is that big old woman that 465 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 5: was a health director at Ball States. 466 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 1: She's a well fed lady. 467 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 5: Now listen, before I start getting the mean tweets. I 468 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 5: can say these things because I'm fat two Yeah right, 469 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 5: I'm part of the fat community. But I'm also not 470 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 5: somebody that should be in charge of health. I'm a 471 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 5: little chubby, I'm a borderline alcoholic. I'm probably not somebody 472 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 5: fit to be a health director. Yeah, and neither was 473 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 5: the notorious pig up at ball State. And up until yesterday, 474 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 5: she still had a job, but she decided to get 475 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 5: cute and run her mouth about Charlie Kirk on social media. 476 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 5: It creates a little bit of a firestorm. And at 477 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 5: first Ball State was kind of like taking a step 478 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 5: back here, hold on, you know, freedom of speech. It 479 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 5: looks like they were coppying out, but man, the heat 480 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 5: got so hot they ultimately had to dismiss this gal 481 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 5: and she no longer has a job. So this takes 482 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 5: us into this whole cancel culture, freedom of speech debate 483 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 5: right and listen, freedom of speech I think really needs 484 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 5: to be taught better in schools. Freedom of speech was 485 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 5: designed so you cannot go to jail for your thoughts 486 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 5: against the government, the country, whatever it is. You can't 487 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 5: go to jail. Nobody said put that big old woman 488 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 5: in jail. Nobody said that. But you also can't be 489 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 5: an idiot where your employer is put in a tough 490 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 5: position because when Ball State put out their statement as 491 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 5: to why they're severing ties with her, they said it 492 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 5: was a disruption multiple times to the university. So let's 493 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 5: go into cancel culture. I see a lot of folks 494 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 5: on the left going, I thought you didn't like cancel culture. 495 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 5: I don't think she should be canceled. I don't want 496 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 5: her social media to be taken away. I don't want 497 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 5: there to be restrictions on her social media. But that's 498 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 5: totally different than saying something stupid that embarrasses your employer. 499 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 5: Like go back to COVID, right, there were some doctors 500 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 5: in Florida that had different thoughts on COVID and they 501 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 5: got together, they filmed it, they put it on YouTube. 502 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,959 Speaker 5: They lost their YouTube channel, they lost their reach, like 503 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 5: they were shadow band. I don't want that to happen 504 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 5: to this woman at Ball State. I don't want it 505 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 5: to happen to people to get fired across the country. 506 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 5: But you don't have a right to argue with your 507 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 5: employer if you embarrass the company. 508 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: If I go on. 509 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 5: Social media tonight and I start ripping urban one, oh, 510 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 5: they're this, and they're that I shouldn't have my social 511 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 5: media shadow band, I shouldn't be kicked off of social media, 512 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 5: but I'm probably not going to have a job, right. 513 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 3: They have every right to say no, thank you. 514 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: And that's what this is about. 515 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 5: And I think Dave Portnoy, like, if anybody knows what 516 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 5: it's like to try to be canceled, it's that guy, right, 517 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 5: the head of barstool. He put out an interesting thing 518 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 5: on Twitter that the difference between cancel culture and being 519 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 5: an idiot to your employer. Cancel culture was like digging 520 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 5: up old tweets from when you were a kid and 521 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 5: trying to get over on you that way, wanting you 522 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 5: kicked off of social media. But if you say something 523 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 5: that embarrasses your employer, that's totally different. It's apples and oranges. 524 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 5: I am pro death penalty, but I'm against murder in 525 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 5: the streets. It's like somebody arguing, I thought you liked death. No, 526 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 5: it's totally different. It's apples and oranges. 527 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 2: Here I heard Riley Gaines. She said something that I 528 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 2: thought was right on. This isn't cancel culture, this is 529 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 2: consequence culture. 530 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: Right. 531 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 5: I do not want her kicked off of social media. 532 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 5: I don't think she should be shadow band or anything 533 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 5: like that. But if you say something stupid that puts 534 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 5: your employer in a position to be super defensive and 535 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 5: have to deal with the consequences, and let's be honest, 536 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 5: you probably don't bring in a whole lot of money 537 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 5: for the university. That's gonna be an issue. I just 538 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 5: love the name the Notorious Pig. I mean, that's got to. 539 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: Be a T shirt at the merch at the merch store, 540 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: the hammer in Nigel Store. 541 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 5: Like, I feel like that's the we're burying the lead, right, 542 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 5: How was she in charge of health in any way? Like, 543 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 5: you look at that woman, it's miss Piggy and wig. 544 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 5: How are you in charge of health in any way? Again, 545 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 5: it'd be like having me lead the health charge. You'd 546 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 5: be like having the drummer from def Leppard leading the 547 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 5: group of people with two arms. 548 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: No, it's the total opposite. This woman should not be 549 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: anywhere near health. We do have a podcast that's gonna 550 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: drop later today. We do. 551 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 5: We got action tonight Thursday Night football. I will have 552 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 5: a play. 553 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: On that heck of a game the Dolphins and the Bills. 554 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 5: Bills are heavily, heavily, heavily favorite to ask. 555 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: Now, you're really screwing me because as part of the 556 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: Degenerates next Door Sports betting podcast, I have to take 557 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: the Monday night football game. I really want to bet 558 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: against the Bears so badly because the Cowboys are getting 559 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: a point and a half and unless I just bet 560 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: a bunch of money on the Bears, they're gonna lose 561 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: every game this season. You still can. I'm not stopping you, 562 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: I know, but for the premise of the show, I 563 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: felt like I had kind of a freebie there. I mean, 564 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: Fade Chicago. 565 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 5: Throws it into the show. I'm not even mad, but 566 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 5: I always picked the Thursday game. You picked the Monday game, 567 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 5: and then we have the game of the week. In 568 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 5: all actuality, the Monday game is the game of the week. 569 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 5: It is, that's kind of your designated segment. Sure, so 570 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 5: we decided on another game of the week, which is 571 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 5: the Eagles and. 572 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: Rams Yeah, I don't like that game either. A bunch 573 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: of games that Eagles so much better than Egle. What 574 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: are we doing this afternoon? What's going on with the 575 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: Hammer Nigel Show. 576 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 5: So we have got a fun little program lined up 577 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 5: for you, some indie of stuff, A lot of stuff 578 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 5: happening in our backyard today. You got protests at the 579 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 5: state House, you got vigils on the circle, you got 580 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:08,760 Speaker 5: the notorious pig story. 581 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: We're all over that. 582 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 5: My friend DeeDee Horan, she is the widow of the 583 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 5: fallen Beech Grove police officer, has a fundraiser coming up. 584 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 5: And you rob Kendrill off the rails. 585 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 3: Thanks Sammer. It is Kendall and Casey. It's ninety three 586 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 3: w IBC.