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Speaker 1: last night, Indiana their first signature win of the Darren

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Speaker 1: Davrees that's kind of redundant Darren Davrees era and Jeff,

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Speaker 1: let's begin with this. I always appreciate your time. I

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Speaker 1: thought last night it wasn't a knock on Indiana per se,

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Speaker 1: just based on the kind of the way their schedules worked,

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Speaker 1: I guess. But you know they needed a signature win

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Speaker 1: and a quad one win, if you will, and they

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Speaker 1: got it last night over perdue. When you look at

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Speaker 1: that game, first and foremost, did they do anything differently

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Speaker 1: going into that game than what you have seen? And

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Speaker 1: the other opportunities will say, you know, Michigan or Michigan State,

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Speaker 1: whatever it might be, to get one of those.

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Speaker 2: Squad one wins.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about different I would say better. They've

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Speaker 3: been shooting the ball incredibly well off season. They're built

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Speaker 3: to make threes. They did that. You know, they' shot

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Speaker 3: forty percent from three in the first half on eight makes,

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Speaker 3: which is just really really good against the Matt Painter

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Speaker 3: coach defense. You know, they averaged one point four points

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Speaker 3: per possession in the first half, and Purdue is allowing

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Speaker 3: less than the point per possession. So Indian of his

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Speaker 3: offense is really good. But I thought the things they

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Speaker 3: did better really boxing out, keeping Purdue from getting on

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Speaker 3: the offensive glass. You know, Perdue is really good as

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Speaker 3: a rebounding team. As a rebounding program. They've got, you know,

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Speaker 3: obviously tremendous size there, and you know, Indiana did a

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Speaker 3: good job from keeping that the size differential, et cetera,

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Speaker 3: from being a big factor. You know, you look at

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Speaker 3: two things that really sort of tell you the story.

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Speaker 3: Usually on those things second chance points and then offensive rebounds.

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Speaker 3: And on second chance points. Purdue won, but it was

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Speaker 3: just eleven to ten, So Indiana lost that battle by

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Speaker 3: only one point. You only lose that battle to Purdue

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Speaker 3: by one point. You did your job. And then then

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Speaker 3: you look at offensive rebounds Purdue nine, Indiana six. You

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Speaker 3: live with that differentially against Perdue with their siyes every

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Speaker 3: day of the week. So I thought that those were

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Speaker 3: the things that Indiana did better. And then there were

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Speaker 3: sequences where guys went got rebounds. Tuger de Reeves going

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Speaker 3: to getting ten boards was big. Lamar Wilkerson going to

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Speaker 3: getting seven rebounds from the guard position I thought was big,

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Speaker 3: and Reed Bailey had some blockouts where he didn't get

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Speaker 3: the rebound. But there was one time he took, you know, Jacobson,

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Speaker 3: into him and just drove him, you know, out of

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Speaker 3: the rebounding area. And he did that. Rebatey did that

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Speaker 3: a couple of times. So I just think Indiana was

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Speaker 3: better at just bringing some force to rebounding situations. That that,

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Speaker 3: to me, was the one thing they did better. But

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Speaker 3: I don't think they were necessarily different. I just think

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Speaker 3: they were better in key areas that matter against Purdue.

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Speaker 1: You know, when I look back at the beginning of

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Speaker 1: the year to now. Jeff rab John's my guest from

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Speaker 1: peaks dot com. Of course, Jeff, when I look back

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Speaker 1: at Reid Bailey. At the beginning of the year, I

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Speaker 1: thought that there were they used him and he was

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Speaker 1: much more active on the low block than what we

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Speaker 1: have seen of late.

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Speaker 2: Now is is.

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Speaker 1: That a concerted schematic thing or is that a matchup thing?

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Speaker 2: Or is there no legitimacy to my observation?

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Speaker 3: Wait say that party again.

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Speaker 1: I felt like at the beginning of the year Reed

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Speaker 2: And that now, I mean, in.

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Speaker 1: Other words, from an offensive standpoint, and that now they've

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Speaker 3: so that's really his best skill. But they're not really

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Speaker 3: I think the biggest storyline for IU over the last

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Speaker 3: last night he gets eighteen points. He's IU's second leading

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Speaker 3: That's the potential development and emergence of a third scorer.

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Speaker 3: But he did it out when they went out to Rutgers.

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Speaker 3: You know, he made six threes out there. So his

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Speaker 3: last two games he's made ten threes in a big

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Speaker 3: And Nick, you know, he missed the entire summer a

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Speaker 3: he came back and first played, it was kind of like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: you're cleared to play, but you haven't played a lot.

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Speaker 3: And he hadn't played much at all really with this team,

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Speaker 3: so it took a little while just for him to

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Speaker 3: the staff's development of Nick dort is kind of one

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Speaker 1: Look at Jeff going with the Indy carts terms. I

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Speaker 1: like it now, so I'm gonna stick with that theme

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Speaker 1: here you ready, Rabbi. So, Tucker Devrees, I can't hang

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Speaker 1: with you on Indy cars.

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Speaker 3: I love that, but there's no chance I can hang

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Speaker 3: with you.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a moron, but I'm just around it

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Speaker 1: enough that I've got you know, you pick up a

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Speaker 1: little bit. But over the course of the Indianapolis five

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: If you make seven pit stops, then the air the

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Speaker 1: Rees has gone through a stint where the handling just

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Speaker 1: I thought last night that paid dividends because he started

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, I think he's kind of I

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Speaker 3: think he's been better on the boards. I think that's

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Speaker 3: something that you look at and you know, he's had,

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Speaker 3: you know, multiple games here recently of double figure rebounds.

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Speaker 3: That's big for Indiana because they're not going to go

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Speaker 3: get rebounds with overwhelming size. They got to do it

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Speaker 3: And I think that's something that that that's big for

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Speaker 3: for Tucker. You know, he has ten he had ten

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Speaker 3: big win at Rutgers that you you know, you kind

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Speaker 3: see two defenders stepping toward Tucker Deverees and then all

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Speaker 3: So and I think Tucker really understands how much sometimes

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Speaker 3: just his presence on the court, his movement, you know,

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Speaker 3: that's something that's helpful. And then again his passing, you know,

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Speaker 3: he's essentially a power forward. You know, you get three four,

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Speaker 3: get in some pretty solid production in areas beyond scoring.

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Speaker 1: Jeff, what the football team did? Jeff rab John's my

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Speaker 1: guest peaks dot com. He's on the Joba House peeling

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Speaker 1: poor guest line. What the football team did, which was,

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Speaker 1: you know, there are there are not enough superlatives we

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Speaker 1: could say over a three hour show about what Kurt

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Speaker 1: Signetti has done. It's well documented. But were we entering

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Speaker 1: And I know that's crazy to say, and I know

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Speaker 1: that this is a university and an athletic department that

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Speaker 1: out in the distribution and all of it, probably faster

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Speaker 1: and better than most athletic programs have. But it seems

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Speaker 1: of the friends that I have that are die hard

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Speaker 3: It was packed there, and it was loud. You know.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't just okay, you know they're butts in seats, Okay, fine, cool, No,

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Speaker 3: everybody's up, everybody's cheer, and everybody's yelling. It was Assembly

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Speaker 2: How symbolic was all of it?

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Speaker 3: Oh? I think it was important, you know. And I

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Speaker 3: It's good. It's it's it's far better. An average Indiana

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Speaker 3: You know, ind his metrics, you know, going in the game,

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Speaker 3: It was big. But I think for the players and coach,

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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously, you know Drew Adams sistant coach, you know,

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Speaker 2: Correct, that's right.

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Speaker 3: Last night they felt it. It was not just oh,

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Speaker 1: Okay, last thing, Jeff, let's say you and I are

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Speaker 1: whoever it may be, You're going to pick three big

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Speaker 1: haul out of it. Okay, including I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you've been how many to the new Big ten stops

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Speaker 2: You're going to go there.

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Speaker 1: You're going to go to the place that has like

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Speaker 2: That is a true college town.

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Speaker 1: It's got a college you know, it's got its own Kirkwood,

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Speaker 1: Then you're going to go to the game and you

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, let's see. Well, Okay, you said take take

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Speaker 3: Okay, you got to put Cameron Indoor Stadium in there. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Right, Okay, not being jerks, but like it it is.

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Speaker 1: Is there like a like is there a true campus

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Speaker 3: Yeah? That that's why I was hesitating, like I don't

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Speaker 3: That's cool, especially when they're good and they play somebody good.

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Speaker 3: It's mad Assembly Hall. It's not Mackie, but it's pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: I would put that up there. And woman, Woman's off

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Speaker 3: But Nebraska's not bad when they're good and those people are.

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Speaker 1: There's a cool vibe for sure, right around the athletic

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Speaker 1: complex at Lincoln.

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Speaker 3: It's different. That's a little more like a Gamebridge Field House.

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Speaker 3: It's it's down town and you know it's not really campusfied,

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Speaker 3: but it's downtown vive. But it's a little light game bridge.

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Speaker 3: You can walk around, you know, you can pregame with

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Speaker 3: your buddies or whatever. Then you get anybody walks over

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Speaker 3: the game, and afterwards everybody's back out at the bars

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Speaker 3: or grabbing a bi tet or whatever. You know, Nebraska's

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Speaker 3: it's cooler than than you would think, which is kind

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Speaker 3: of surprising because people would probably go think Nebraska basketball,

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Speaker 3: who cares well when they're good in that place is full.

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Speaker 2: It's actually not bad, Eddie. That makes you Nebraska. Right,

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Speaker 2: You're cooler than people think that. Right, that's the first

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Speaker 2: time you've ever complimented me.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Jake Backhand.

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Speaker 2: I'll be it, uh, Jeff, We appreciate the time as always.

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Speaker 1: Man, continue, you know, we're we basically turned the page

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Speaker 1: later than years most but we've turned the page now

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Speaker 1: back into basketball mode for Indiana. So look forward to

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Speaker 1: your coverage of Peaks dot com and talking to you

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Speaker 1: throughout absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Man, you guys take care of Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Jeff Rabb John's joining us on the Java House. Peel

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Speaker 1: and poor guest Line joining us now in the Java

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Speaker 1: House Peel a poor gas he, of course a regular

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Speaker 1: guest on the program from CBS four and WXI in

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Speaker 1: Fox fifty nine. Mike Chapple joining us in chap you

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Speaker 1: are a Hall of Fame football voter.

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Speaker 2: Correct?

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Speaker 3: Correct?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 1: I needed and I know this will shock you to

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Speaker 1: know that I get very easily confused by things. Okay,

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Speaker 1: but let's go hear me out here on a couple

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Speaker 1: of areas of clarification. Sure I knew going into and

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Speaker 1: I don't remember when these things get released. I think

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Speaker 1: it was a couple of months ago where I saw,

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Speaker 1: for example, that Reggie Wayne and Adam Minitari are both

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Speaker 1: finalists for this year's Hall of Fame Correct, correct? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Is that the same are there? Is that the same

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Speaker 1: finalist list that included Bill Belichick?

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Speaker 4: No, the way it works is there are and we

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Speaker 4: had our meeting two weeks ago.

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Speaker 3: Whatever.

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Speaker 4: There are fifteen modern era finalists, Reggie and Military and

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Speaker 4: Eli Manning and Drew Brees and blah blah. And then

478
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Speaker 4: there were five in a different group of seniors coaches contributors,

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Speaker 4: and that was Bill Belichick and Robert Craft, Kenny Anderson, L. C.

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Speaker 4: Greenwood and Roger Craig. So those are voted on separately.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and so and how many ultimately get in.

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Speaker 4: A minimum of three? Modern era a maximum of five,

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Speaker 4: And I'll be I'm pleading ignorance on the seniors. I

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Speaker 4: think I think a maximum of three get in.

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Speaker 3: We WoT three.

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Speaker 1: So my question is this, Bill Belichick's inclusion in this

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Speaker 1: year's Hall of Fame has no factor on Reggie Wayne's possibility.

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Speaker 4: Correct, And that's how pe what need to understand? I

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Speaker 4: saw where Belichick has come out and said he didn't

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Speaker 4: make it. It can't be like, well, how do you

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Speaker 4: put in Reggie Wayne over Bill Belichick? That's not the case.

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Speaker 4: How do you put in Drew Brees? That's not the case.

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Speaker 1: So basically, okay, So, in other words, the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: To get into the Hall of Fame, there are two

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Speaker 1: lanes in which there is a traffic jam, and Bill

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Speaker 1: Belichick was in one lane and Reggie Wayne is in

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Speaker 1: a totally different lane, And who gets waved through from

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Speaker 1: the lane that Bill Belichick is in has no factor

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Speaker 1: in how the traffic moves in the lane that Reggie

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Speaker 1: Wayne is currently in.

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Speaker 4: Correct, exactly, And I hope people realize that it's they're

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Speaker 4: too different, They're voted on too different. Okay, one does

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Speaker 4: not impact the other.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So the group in which Reggie Wayne is a part,

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Speaker 1: along with Adam Military, that voting has taken place, or

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Speaker 1: simply the meeting has taken place where everybody's case has

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Speaker 1: been heard.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the voting is done.

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Speaker 3: We quoted.

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Speaker 2: And so let me ask you this.

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Speaker 1: When the voting is done, are you privy as a

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Speaker 1: voter to knowing the voting totals?

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Speaker 3: No, we used to.

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Speaker 4: For the most part. Now they've changed it. The selection

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Speaker 4: for modern era, it starts at fifteen. We cut it

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Speaker 4: to ten. We cut it to seven, seven finalists, and

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Speaker 4: then we vote on five of these seven guys.

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Speaker 2: And you are or are not allowed to say who

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Speaker 2: those seven are.

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Speaker 4: Well, probably not, I know, but I don't know.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not gonna risk getting.

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Speaker 2: Understood. Okay.

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Speaker 4: So then and then on the other ones, the five

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Speaker 4: seniors contributors, the five of them are discussed and then

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Speaker 4: we vote on three. So we vote on three of

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Speaker 4: the five.

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Speaker 1: And so it is the same group of voters. Then yes,

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Speaker 1: oh yes, okay.

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Speaker 4: Different different committees advance the seniors and coaches.

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Speaker 3: We have subcommittees that do that.

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Speaker 4: And then but then the fifty selectors, We fifty selectors

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Speaker 4: select the modern era and the coach contributor Senior.

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Speaker 1: So if we know that Bell Belichick was not one

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Speaker 1: of the of the five eligible senior contributor category, if

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Speaker 1: Belichick was not one of the inductees from that group,

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Speaker 1: how does he already know that? And yet the players

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Speaker 1: that are in the fifteen finalist category are not yet

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Speaker 1: privy to knowing whether they made it or not.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's that's a false assumption. Everybody in the process knows.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm talking that the modern eary guys, the

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Speaker 4: ones that got in, the ones that didn't get in,

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Speaker 4: they have been informed. Okay, everybody who was up for

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Speaker 4: induction knows whether they got it or not.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so Reggie Wayne knows whether or not he's in. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And they are just basically sworn to secrecy.

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Speaker 2: Is that right?

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Speaker 4: Well, they as much as they can. They asked you

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Speaker 4: to not share. They want people not to know. And

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Speaker 4: I don't know how the Bill Belichick thing came out,

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Speaker 4: whether he was asked, whether he I don't know, but yeah,

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Speaker 4: they they they want this to be as much of

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Speaker 4: a surprise come next Thursday, a week from Thursday as possible,

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Speaker 4: and they do a pretty good job of it. But

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Speaker 4: there's no there's no you know, well, if you if

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Speaker 4: you spill the beach, you didn't get in, you won't

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Speaker 4: be on the battle next year.

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Speaker 3: There's none of that.

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Speaker 4: So it's please don't tell any one type of thing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, were you instructed or was it ever requested to

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Speaker 1: you by anyone of reason why you should not vote

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Speaker 1: for Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 4: There were pluses, minuses, more, many many more pluses than minuses,

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Speaker 4: but no one ever said, hey, man, don't vote for

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Speaker 4: this check off. No, none of that.

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Speaker 3: It was just you debate.

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Speaker 4: There's good debate, there's bad debate, there's there's emotions. But

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Speaker 4: there were never any constructions by anybody about gether selectors.

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Speaker 1: So to your knowledge, there was never any sort of

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Speaker 1: a campaign to keep him out, to penalize him.

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Speaker 4: No, anyone that says that I was in the room. Yes, there,

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Speaker 4: spygate came up because because he cheated. I mean, let's

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Speaker 4: just we can candy code all you want. He was

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Speaker 4: just flung by the League five hundred thousand dollars and

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Speaker 4: they were docked a first round draft pick, so that's

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Speaker 4: on his bio. H. So certainly with disgust. Now it

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Speaker 4: just depends on how much you want to weigh that

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Speaker 4: into keeping him out or or making him wait a year.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 4: It's so different than we've had players who have been

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Speaker 4: suspended for games for for steroids, peds whatever, and that

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Speaker 4: should that that could impact their their their their nomination,

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Speaker 4: their candidacy because it's part of there's no morality cup

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Speaker 4: clause the Hall of Fame Football Hall of Fame. It's

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Speaker 4: all based on on the field. And I would argue

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Speaker 4: that Spygate impacts on the field. I would argue that

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Speaker 4: a four game suspensions for peds or whatever, it's it's

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Speaker 4: on field related.

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Speaker 3: So uh.

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Speaker 4: But but if there's an off the field thing whatever,

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Speaker 4: that's not to be or or one thing. And please

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Speaker 4: we people who say that he that Bill Belichick was

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Speaker 4: kept out because he was because he was a bad

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Speaker 4: guy to deal with in the media, that that's so

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Speaker 4: much bs it really is.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: I've voted for people that I didn't care for. I

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Speaker 4: voted for people that row me off our interviews. That's

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Speaker 4: got nothing to do with it. And if it does, yes,

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Speaker 4: you should no longer be a selector.

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Speaker 2: Did you vote for Belichick?

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Speaker 5: I can't.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna tell you. I I know you got

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Speaker 4: to ask. I'm not gonna say I'm I'm no. I'll

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Speaker 4: leave it at that. I'm gonna keep it quick. I

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Speaker 4: may come out and say later, but right now, I'm

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Speaker 4: not gonna say.

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Speaker 1: Is there a chap Mike Chapel is my guest. He

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Speaker 1: is with CBS four, n w x A and Fox

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Speaker 1: fifty nine. He's on the Joba House peeling poor guest

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Speaker 1: line chap In baseball, I think we know clearly, excuse me, clearly,

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Speaker 1: in baseball, we know that the integrity of the game,

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Speaker 1: whether it be gambling or whether it be peds, have

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Speaker 1: been deemed by the writers or the voters of the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame in baseball as the cardinal sin that

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Speaker 1: cannot be overlooked. Is there any list or even understood

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Speaker 1: cardinal sen from the football side, not that I know of.

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Speaker 4: Again, because it's all on field, uh you know, because

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Speaker 4: because because baseball does take that into account. I don't

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Speaker 4: know how it's listed in their biologue. But football, it's

621
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Speaker 4: all about on the field. And then that's a little

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Speaker 4: bit of vagueness because again, if you're suspended, well that's

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Speaker 4: not on the field. Well it sort of is because

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Speaker 4: you're not on the field, so so, but no, that's

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Speaker 4: that's the difference in it. And I would you would

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Speaker 4: enjoy sitting in the room for eight hours and listen

627
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Speaker 4: to the back and forth on some guys. I've always

628
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Speaker 4: taken the approach and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong that

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Speaker 4: if you're gonna be a first ballot Hall of Famer,

630
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Speaker 4: you really need to check virtually every box. And Belichick

631
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Speaker 4: does check most boxes. But like I was peeled last

632
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Speaker 4: year the Vinitary didn't get in first ballot. I mean,

633
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Speaker 4: he checked every box. And it's when I did his

634
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Speaker 4: presentation this year, it was I let off by you know,

635
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Speaker 4: people say that you, you know, you can't write the

636
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Speaker 4: history of the NFL without this guy, Joe name us whoever,

637
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Speaker 4: And I said, Vinitary is one of those guys. And

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Speaker 4: then he didn't get in. So I was peeled about that.

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Speaker 4: We'll see if that changes this year, but it's it's

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Speaker 4: it's still some vagueness on guys on how you evaluate

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Speaker 4: a career with long enough Did he do enough for

642
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Speaker 4: the short time. I'm Tony Bacelli Terrell Davis. Did they

643
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Speaker 4: doing that for a short time. There's really no there's

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Speaker 4: no boxes to check other than in my mind first

645
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Speaker 4: ballot guys. We've had some guys first ballot that I

646
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Speaker 4: didn't agree with and I didn't support until it came

647
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Speaker 4: time to a came down to a yes or no

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Speaker 4: vote that I've got to guess it could just because

649
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Speaker 4: you look these guys to not linger. But now it's

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Speaker 4: fifty people trying to decide in their own mind if

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Speaker 4: this guy or that guy checks it up boxes to

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Speaker 4: get in. And you know, Reggie's had to wait. This

653
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Speaker 4: is his seventh year. I think he's waited too long.

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Speaker 4: I've said from the start that when we allowed Andre

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Speaker 4: Johnson to get in over Reggie and Tory Home that

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Speaker 4: we were wrong. I just believe that Calvin Johnson jumped

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Speaker 4: the line. Well that's Calvin Johnson. I think it's a

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Speaker 4: good Chancellarry fitz said gets in this year.

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Speaker 5: He's second all time.

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Speaker 3: His numbers are just staggering.

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Speaker 1: Uh but but and you once again had the responsibility

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Speaker 1: of for those that don't know. When you guys at

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Speaker 1: each player that comes up, there is a writer that

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Speaker 1: covered them the majority of their career that then states

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Speaker 1: the case for them, right, and then the others vote

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Speaker 1: on it.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: It's guys from that market. Guys are familiar.

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Speaker 2: What if it's something that played in multiple markets, well

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Speaker 2: like min Terry.

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Speaker 4: Uh Ron Borgers and I have sort of split that up.

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Speaker 4: He did more last year, I did more this year,

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Speaker 4: and then we sort of supplement the guy. But Marshall

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Speaker 4: fought was Saint Louis and some colds. But yeah, it's

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Speaker 4: it's just somebody familiar with the guy. And you know,

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Speaker 4: we're not making stuff up. It's it's the guy's career.

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Speaker 4: I'm just trying to give it context, uh, with what

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Speaker 4: their career is, how it compared to other guys in

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Speaker 4: his time and over over the course of history. But

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Speaker 4: we get about five minutes to state our case and

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Speaker 4: then there's open dialogue for however long. Sometimes the dialogue

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Speaker 4: is long. Uh, sometimes it's very short. If you've got

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Speaker 4: a guy that everybody sort of agrees and you know,

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Speaker 4: Peyton Manager stow up and said, Peyton Manage sat down right,

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Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not going to waste people's time. Most

686
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Speaker 4: guys aren't that cut, right, So but uh, you know,

687
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Speaker 4: it's it's it's a thorough process. It's a yes, it's

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Speaker 4: a flawed process. I don't like the fact that we've

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Speaker 4: made it harder to get guys in. I just don't believe.

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Speaker 4: And whether this is beyond Sanders complaining or too many

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Speaker 4: guys were getting in that didn't belong that's easy to

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Speaker 4: say once you're in, by the way, so I And

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Speaker 4: whether they change it again, I don't know. A lot

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Speaker 4: of us don't agree with them, but this is this

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Speaker 4: is our system. And if I don't, if I dislike

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Speaker 4: it that much, then I'll resign.

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Speaker 3: And I don't want to do that.

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Speaker 4: What every again, we've talked about every year. Let's say

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Speaker 4: five guys get in, your favorite guy doesn't get into.

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Speaker 4: I can't believe my guy didn't get in. Well, I say, well,

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Speaker 4: who do you want to leave off?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: I don't want to leave anybody off. No, No, that's

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Speaker 4: the way it works. He gets five and now you

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Speaker 4: may get three. They are hard choices.

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Speaker 1: Chap appreciate the time and the insight as always. Certainly,

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Speaker 1: stay warm. We'll talk to you around the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: as well. Appreciate it though, se well, guys, all right,

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Speaker 1: Mike Chapel joining us CBS four, WXA and Fox at

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Speaker 1: fifty nine. Matt verdam had a little bit more on

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Speaker 1: this as it relates to a Colt's angle to it.

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Speaker 1: We will talk to him from SI and we'll do

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Speaker 1: it next. What Matt Verderram is with SI friend of

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Speaker 1: the show. Matter of fact, before we know it, he

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Speaker 1: will be here because the NFL combine will be here,

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Speaker 1: super Bowl is here. He also was in the news

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Speaker 1: last night, was Matt because he had the story that

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Speaker 1: he had talked to Bill Pullyan and Pollyon had said that,

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Speaker 1: in fact, he had voted for Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 2: And then later you saw.

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Speaker 1: ESPN refuting that, saying that Belichick had said or that

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Speaker 1: Pollyon excuse me and said, well, I don't remember whether

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Speaker 1: I did or not, and that comes off probably worse

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Speaker 1: than it is. But Matt joins us now on the

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Speaker 1: Java House Peel and Port guest line.

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Speaker 2: Matt, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm good?

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Speaker 5: How are you?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Freezing?

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Speaker 1: But other than that, okay, yeah, I can't remember you're

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Speaker 1: in Chicago or New York. You're in Chicago, right, I'm

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Speaker 1: from New York.

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Speaker 5: I'm not out of side Chicago. Yeah, it's called shelf.

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Speaker 1: That's going to say it's the same as you. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's begin with this, the conversation you have with Bill Pollion.

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Speaker 1: Just what all was drawn out of that or you

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Speaker 1: know how succinct was it, or was that part of

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Speaker 1: a broader conversation you had about thinks?

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Speaker 5: No, it was good. It was like ninety seconds. I mean,

741
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Speaker 5: how I have the whole thing recorded on my computers.

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Speaker 5: I think it's a ninety one second file. It was

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Speaker 5: literally I've known Bill for a few years because I've

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Speaker 5: done some historical projects with Sports Illustrated, and we put

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Speaker 5: the other blue ribbon panel. I believe I think he's

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Speaker 5: been on all three. He's at least been on two

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Speaker 5: of them.

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Speaker 3: So I got no Bill gotten along with it.

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Speaker 5: And so there was a story after it got leaked

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Speaker 5: to Belichick was in the Hall of Fame at the end,

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Speaker 5: seth Wickersham don Van Now to put out a co

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Speaker 5: byline piece where in the story they wrote that they

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Speaker 5: talked to some people or a camera's one voter, multiple

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Speaker 5: voters who said essentially that the point had kind of

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Speaker 5: muddy the water, felt like Belichick should pay patents for

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Speaker 5: the for the spygate stuff, to play gate stuff. So

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Speaker 5: I just kind of on a whim called BLL and

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Speaker 5: just figured, you know, I was going to answer, not

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Speaker 5: he's eighty three, but it's worth giving him a call.

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Speaker 5: And he answered and I just said, hey, you seeing

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Speaker 5: the story that Belichick's not getting in? Said he had,

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Speaker 5: you know, only seen the headline of it. And I

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Speaker 5: just said, look, there's a report out there that you

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Speaker 5: had some influence on the idea that he should have

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Speaker 5: to wait a year, and out of the exact quote

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Speaker 5: in front of me, it's on my Twitter feed, but basically,

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Speaker 5: you know, it's categorically false. I voted for him, and

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Speaker 5: I asked him, I can it on the record, said yes,

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Speaker 5: and he added afterwards, just it. You know, it's basically

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Speaker 5: it's not you're not you're not supposed to put out

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Speaker 5: who you voted for, but he's not going to be slandered.

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Speaker 5: And so I could put it on the record, and

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Speaker 5: so I sweet it up now.

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Speaker 1: And I should have asked chap this. We just had

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Speaker 1: Mike chapelon do you know when that vote took place?

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Speaker 1: Matt roughly, I believe it was last week.

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Speaker 5: I'm not unventure I believe it was last week at

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Speaker 5: that book.

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Speaker 2: Okay, the reason I say it, Are you a voter

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Speaker 2: in any Hall of Fame panels at all?

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Speaker 5: Matt? I am not.

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Speaker 2: And that made it sound like I was cross examining you.

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Speaker 2: I didn't mean it that way. So I vote. There's

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Speaker 2: one thing, it's auto racing that I'm a voter for.

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Speaker 1: And I mentioned this earlier only because it's I mean,

786
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Speaker 1: that's fairly irrelevant, but it's somewhat applicable here. There have

787
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Speaker 1: been people that and this wouldn't be the case with

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Speaker 1: Belichick because it's obviously his first time on. There have

789
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Speaker 1: been people that I have voted for that did not

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Speaker 1: get in in a cycle, and then the next year

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Speaker 1: they're back on the ballot again. And I think this

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Speaker 1: is just me, but I'm thinking, well, if I voted

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Speaker 1: for them last year, then I pretty much have to

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Speaker 1: vote for them this year because it's not like something

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Speaker 1: happened that demerited them, right, And so it becomes confusing

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Speaker 1: to remember who I did and didn't vote for.

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Speaker 2: Thus I have to keep a log for myself. So

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Speaker 2: and that's I think part of it.

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Speaker 5: So what Bill is eighty three years old? And you

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Speaker 5: know when he talked to ESPN after he spoke with me.

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Speaker 5: His quote to them was that he's ninety five percent

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Speaker 5: sure he voted for Belichic. Now he talked to me,

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Speaker 5: he just flat said I voted for him. Oh okay,

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Speaker 5: So you know, is that kind of couching? It is

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Speaker 5: that Bill maybe after we get off the phone thinking

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Speaker 5: about it and saying, well, my hot, do I have

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Speaker 5: a record of it in I A thousand cent sure?

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Speaker 5: I don't know. Look, the bottom line, though, is this

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Speaker 5: Bill polling in my opinion, is being made out to

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Speaker 5: be a big scapegoat here, because let's even live in

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Speaker 5: a world where Bill misremembered. You can live in that world. Froom. Okay,

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Speaker 5: he didn't vote for him, there's still ten other people

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Speaker 5: he didn't vote for him, right, And like this idea

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Speaker 5: is that will Bill Polly in turn people against Bill Belichia.

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Speaker 5: You're a grown man or woman, like, vote for whoever

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Speaker 5: you think you should vote for. If I was on

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Speaker 5: that panel and Bill Polly came up to me said

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Speaker 5: don't vote for him, I would have still voted for him.

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Speaker 5: Like it wouldn't have mattered. You know, it's a private vote.

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Speaker 5: It's a personal vote. And here's the other side of this.

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Speaker 5: I don't think everybody understands this. So the coaches, contributors,

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Speaker 5: and senior players, they are all in one group. He

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Speaker 5: used to be separate. It was made into one group

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Speaker 5: two years ago. There were five candidates in that group

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Speaker 5: this year, Elsie Greenwood, the Steelers, Ken Anderson to the Bengals,

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Speaker 5: Roger Craigmuff, notably of the forty nine Ers, Robert Kraft,

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Speaker 5: Bill Belichick. Those fifty voters were tasked with voting for

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Speaker 5: three of those people each, and you one to three

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Speaker 5: of them were to get in based on either if

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Speaker 5: you got more than forty or more votes, or if

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Speaker 5: nobody got forty votes, then whoever the a vote get

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Speaker 5: or was. So there were at least eleven people who

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Speaker 5: just flat out didn't vote in any capacity for Belichick.

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Speaker 5: We did not make their top three.

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Speaker 1: You think it's possible that people just naturally said, Matt, hey,

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Speaker 1: I've got to vote for five of or three of

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Speaker 1: these five people. And the two that did not play

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Speaker 1: the game or that are not there for playing the

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Speaker 1: game were attached at the hip for a very long

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Speaker 1: time within the same organization. So I'm going to pick

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Speaker 1: two of the players and one of these two guys,

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Speaker 1: and just.

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Speaker 5: I think that is possible. I think I think a

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Speaker 5: few things happened, just I spent a lot of time.

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Speaker 5: Bill Pauliner is not the only voter I spoke with

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Speaker 5: last night. I probably spoke with I don't know twenty

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Speaker 5: percent of the panel last night, and whether it was

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Speaker 5: over the phone or in the text, and so what

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Speaker 5: I gathered from it was I think some people felt

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Speaker 5: like other voters, because everyone I talked to for the

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Speaker 5: record all said that they voted for So take that

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Speaker 5: for what it's working now. Maybe maybe one of her,

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Speaker 5: two of them didn't want to admit they didn't whatever,

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Speaker 5: But the thought was essentially, when they grouped the senior

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Speaker 5: players in with the coaches and contributors a couple of

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Speaker 5: years ago, that seems a dynamic because there are some

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Speaker 5: voters who flat out feel like, if it's up to

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Speaker 5: a player or a coach or a contributor, I'm voting

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Speaker 5: for the player because the players are the men on

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Speaker 5: the field. I'm voting for those guys over everybody else.

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Speaker 5: And Belichick and Craft they're gonna have more bites at

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Speaker 5: the apple here. They just are. But when you talk

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Speaker 5: about it, Elsie Greenwood, he may never be on the

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Speaker 5: ballot again, like this might be it. So there's a

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Speaker 5: pressure with some of those players to vote for those

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Speaker 5: guys because this might be their one and done shot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a very fair way looking at it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think that's a big thing that you know,

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Speaker 5: people are just dumping all over these voters like their morons,

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Speaker 5: and it's not the case. I think there's a reality.

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Speaker 5: So he says, no, well, if I don't go out

872
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Speaker 5: for Kansason this year, he's done. He's not getting in.

873
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Speaker 5: And so there's that, and then there's the other side

874
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Speaker 5: things some people do holds by it against them, and

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Speaker 5: I even think a few people probably figured, look, he's

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Speaker 5: going to get in, I'm going to use my vote

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Speaker 5: on somebody else. And when you combine all those things,

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Speaker 5: I think you had that oh you know what moment

879
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Speaker 5: of he didn't get in. Yet he didn't get in,

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Speaker 5: he didn't get enough votes.

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Speaker 1: Matt verdram is our guest Jaba House Peel and poor

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Speaker 1: guest line. All right, Matt, real quick. The Colts, you know,

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Speaker 1: we've talked to you about them before. I would imagine

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Speaker 1: that as a national writer for SI covering the NFL,

885
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Speaker 1: Colts have not been on your radar, probably for at

886
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Speaker 1: least the last two months or after their hot started.

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Speaker 1: Then the Daniel Jones injury. When you look at Seattle

888
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Speaker 1: and getting Sam Darnold but having pieces around and Donald's

889
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Speaker 1: played well and out here they are right, and you

890
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Speaker 1: look at New England, new coach, but they went out

891
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Speaker 1: and they got a solid young quarterback and built and

892
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Speaker 1: they had pieces.

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Speaker 2: How far away do you believe Indianapolis is?

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Speaker 5: I think it depends on your feelings about Daniel Jones. Look,

895
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Speaker 5: I think I think the roster and the coaching staff

896
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Speaker 5: I think are pretty good. I know, you know Sauce Gardner,

897
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Speaker 5: I would expect, as long as he's healthy, to be

898
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Speaker 5: much better next year up full year in the system.

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Speaker 5: You know. I like their creagent additions for the most

900
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Speaker 5: part last year, But defensively they played a lot better.

901
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Speaker 5: I still think it. Look, they could maybe use a

902
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 5: little bit more in the pass rush department. And who knows,

903
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Speaker 5: maybe Tree Henderson's a guy was with Anamrumo forever. Maybe

904
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Speaker 5: he's one of those guys we'll see a lot who

905
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 5: is certainly a player. And Buckner's great inside, But I

906
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Speaker 5: I think to get to the super Bowl if Jones

907
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Speaker 5: becomes it would if Jones is Donald, if he could

908
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Speaker 5: be Donald, then yeah, I mean I think then they're

909
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 5: at worse the playoff team, and they're interesting. But I

910
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Speaker 5: think if Jones is just a guy, if he's the

911
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Speaker 5: eighteen best quarterback in the NFL, then they're far away

912
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Speaker 5: because if you don't have a you know, if you

913
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Speaker 5: don't have a great quarterback, it's just so tough. And

914
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 5: Darnald this year, I think it's good that team around

915
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Speaker 5: him is just they loaded and let's be It's been

916
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Speaker 5: a bit year. Like most years. I like shatt a lot.

917
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Speaker 5: I don't think Seattle would be winning the Super Bowl

918
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Speaker 5: most years, but it's just been a season where outside

919
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,439
Speaker 5: of the Seahawks and the Rams, is anyone even good.

920
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 5: I don't think maybe maybe there's one other team, but

921
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 5: it's not been a very strong year, and it's just

922
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Speaker 5: kind of lined up. Everything worked out perfectly.

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Speaker 1: If if the winner of the Super Bowl, if there

924
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Speaker 1: was an ad campaign that said, whichever team wins the

925
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, everybody in the United States is going to

926
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Speaker 1: enjoy the cuisine of their city, the super Bowl winning

927
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Speaker 1: city that they're most known for. Is everybody after the

928
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl going to be eating clam chowder or drinking coffee.

929
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Speaker 5: I'd be shocked if they're not drinking coffee. I look,

930
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Speaker 5: I think the New England's had a great year, and

931
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Speaker 5: I know there's been a lot of talk about the

932
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Speaker 5: schedule and everything else. I get it, But you play

933
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Speaker 5: who's in front of you. That being said, and this

934
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Speaker 5: is going to sound really disrespectful in New England, I

935
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Speaker 5: don't mean it too. I was thinking about it the day, Like,

936
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Speaker 5: if you look at all the past Super Bowls, how

937
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Speaker 5: many teams would you take New England to beat of

938
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Speaker 5: any of the Super Bowl participants in the last twenty

939
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Speaker 5: five years? Maybe like the three Panthers, right, Giants in

940
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Speaker 5: two thousands? Like, it's not many, Right, the ninety four Chargers.

941
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Speaker 5: That team was ridiculous, But like, I mean, how many,

942
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Speaker 5: It's not a lot. Like I think the Patriots are

943
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Speaker 5: a team to the credit if taking advantage of the situation.

944
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Speaker 5: I really like May and Vrabel, But that team is

945
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Speaker 5: a team normally that's out in like the divisional round,

946
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Speaker 5: and yet here they are. So I would if Seattle

947
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Speaker 5: just plays reasonably well, they should win this game.

948
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Speaker 2: Uh is Mendoza going number one overall?

949
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Speaker 5: I think so I never want to commit until after

950
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Speaker 5: I've been in Indianapolis because everything can change there with

951
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Speaker 5: medicals and interviews and measurements and all these other things.

952
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Speaker 5: But as we sit here today, if I were betting man, yeah,

953
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Speaker 5: I think there's no other quarterback that's going anywhere close

954
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Speaker 5: to one. And if you're the Raiders, you kind of

955
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 5: have to take him, don't you. I mean, like, what

956
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Speaker 5: are they gonna do. Are they gonna sit there and say, no,

957
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Speaker 5: we're gonna take Caleb Down says we think he's the

958
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Speaker 5: best player in the draft. Like, I mean, that's great.

959
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Speaker 5: You're going three and fourteen you need for the quarterback.

960
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Speaker 5: So I think those is just kind of almost by.

961
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Speaker 5: But he have to and I know he's a terrific prospect.

962
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Speaker 5: There's no reason it can't. But yes, I would at

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Speaker 5: this point, i'd be surprised the number one.

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Speaker 2: I was on Washington Street yesterday. I went in, popped in.

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming you're coming for the combine because they had

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Speaker 1: a little placard with your name on the table. That's

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Speaker 1: the Taco Bell canteena reserved just for you.

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Speaker 5: Well, honestly, after all the money I spent there the

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Speaker 5: last year, as they should.

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Speaker 2: So you are coming for the combine?

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, of course, yes, all right, we're gonna fair

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Speaker 5: drible all year.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna we're.

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Speaker 1: Gonna wrap you up and sit you down at the

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Speaker 1: table with for at least a segment when it takes place.

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Speaker 5: All right, you got it, you got it, name and

977
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Speaker 5: the time. I'll be there.

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Speaker 2: All I appreciate it, Matt Verde.

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Speaker 1: I am joining us from enjoy the Super Bowl, Matt

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Speaker 1: from Chicago, but of course with SI and good stuff there.

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Speaker 2: In regards to Pollyan,