1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: Line from val Hertbiner and The Crossroads of America. 2 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: There's a real question about the level of fallout from 4 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: the government's shutdown. There's a question of what happens specifically 5 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: in the House, specifically in the Senate, specifically amongst Democrats, 6 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: and then where exactly does the voter fall in all 7 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: of this, Is there any residual effect that plays out? 8 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: November twenty, twenty sixth, that's the day of the midterms, 9 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good to be with you. 10 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 2: Ed Marscy joins me. 11 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: Right now from hot air dot com, where he is 12 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: the coappo to Toty Coppo. 13 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: I should learn how to say it right. After all 14 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: this time. 15 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: You know, the we've discussed the shutdown, we've engaged this 16 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: forty two days. Democrats got abs, and they're very honest 17 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: about the fact that they didn't care who they hurt 18 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: as long as they were able to extend Obamacare subsidies. 19 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: It didn't matter to them, as long as they could 20 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: keep up this facade, of this facade known as Obamacare. 21 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 2: That's a weird tactic. It's a weird. 22 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: Place to have put themselves it's an odd fight I 23 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: think to have had to begin with. But when we 24 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: talk about the fallout of this, we'll start with Democrats. 25 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: What is the take on what the fallout is for 26 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: them as a party as they move forward. 27 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 3: Well, I think that there's a great deal of anger 28 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 3: now amongst the progressive base that they ginned up initially 29 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 3: through the shutdown and over promised what could be delivered 30 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 3: through it, right, I mean, this is part of the 31 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 3: problem in managing expectations. One of the key parts of 32 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 3: strategic politics is managing expectations. You don't overpromise and under 33 00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 3: deliver because it is inherently destabilizing. Because if you say 34 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 3: we're going to get this and you don't get anything 35 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 3: close to it, then you make yourself incompetent because you 36 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 3: either promise something you couldn't possibly deliver, or you promise 37 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 3: something you could deliver but you were too incompetent to 38 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 3: deliver it. 39 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 4: Either way, it's not a good look. 40 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: Just as I don't mean to interrupt, but I want 41 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: to ask maybe maybe get me a little more deep 42 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: into that the idea of the Obamacare subsidies, what Hakeem 43 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: Jeffries constantly refers to as the Republican healthcare crisis, which 44 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: no one golombed on toever, they had to sell their 45 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: own party. It seemed to me this wasn't a conversation 46 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: until Schumer tried to make it a conversation. And is 47 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: there a question of maybe for the first time, the 48 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: Democrats weren't following right away it took them a while 49 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: to get on that page. 50 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 3: Well, I think, first off, it took Schumer a while 51 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 3: to get on that page because don't forget, he had 52 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 3: an opportunity to do a shutdown strategy in March right 53 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 3: a cr that had expired, and Chuck Schumer had a 54 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 3: book out, remember he had the Chuck Schumer Memoir, the 55 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 3: book tour that ended up getting canceled because Chuck Schumer 56 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 3: wouldn't do the shutdown, and he argued at the time 57 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 3: that shutdowns are terrible strategies and that Democrats are about 58 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 3: keeping government functioning because government is one of their big values. 59 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 3: So it is a bad strategy to shut down the 60 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 3: government in order to argue for more government, which makes sense, 61 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 3: and it was actually the right argument. And Chuck Schumer 62 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 3: ended up getting death threats because he didn't do the shutdown. 63 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 4: So this time around. 64 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 3: Of course he's going to do the shutdown because he 65 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 3: doesn't want the death threats again. And you know, he 66 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 3: goes full you know, you know, full on board with 67 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 3: the shutdown, sticks with it through the off yr elections 68 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: last week. You can argue whether or not that intensified 69 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 3: the turnout for Democrats. They may have in Virginia where 70 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 3: there's a lot of federal workers. I you know, these 71 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 3: are blue states electing Democrats. I don't know that there 72 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 3: was really that big of an issue. But as soon 73 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 3: as it was over, there was no stakes at all 74 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 3: left involved because they weren't going to get the subsidies. 75 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 3: They weren't even going to get a promise to they 76 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 3: weren't even going to get a framework to negotiate the subsidies. 77 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 3: Republicans had made that clear all along. Republicans don't like 78 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,799 Speaker 3: these subsidies. And on top of that, the whole argument 79 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 3: about these subsidies, as Donald Trump put it last night, 80 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 3: just proves that Obamacare is not affordable. The Affordable Care 81 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 3: Act is not affordable care. It is structured badly. It 82 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 3: keeps requiring more and more government intervention to keep the 83 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 3: costs from hitting the consumers, which we've been talking about 84 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 3: since twenty ten when it passed, So for fifteen years 85 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 3: we've been talking about. 86 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: Hold on, Republican running their mouths and not putting out 87 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:52,239 Speaker 1: anything as a counter to it, and have failed absolutely miserably. 88 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 2: We both know this. 89 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 3: Republicans no disagreement on this whatsoever. Republicans still haven't come 90 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 3: up with a coherent plant. There's a coherent plan out there, 91 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 3: which is to get third parties out of the healthcare 92 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 3: business and opening up the market for providers by using 93 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 3: the same type of market that elective elective surgeries such 94 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 3: as plastic surgery LAY six uses, which allows people to 95 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 3: compete because they're not dealing with insurers. Right, so you 96 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 3: have open pricing, people compete. That's how you bring down 97 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 3: the cost of healthcare, not through third party price signal masking. 98 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 3: Price masking is what it is. We're ruining the price 99 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 3: signaling in an open market, and that's what the problem is, 100 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 3: and more subsidies makes that problem worse. But beyond this, right, 101 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 3: just strategically speaking, they vastly over promised what they could deliver, 102 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 3: and so it's no great shock in the end that 103 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 3: they ended up with nothing in hand at all except 104 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 3: reopening the government and undoing the stuff that the shutdown 105 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 3: and undoing the damage that the shutdown did to air 106 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 3: traffic control, to federal workers who were laid off, and 107 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,119 Speaker 3: to snap beneficiaries, which is a whole other level of 108 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 3: subsidies that it has to be on the table. I 109 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 3: think the fallout from this is that the leadership of 110 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 3: the Democrat Party is going to shift towards Zoron Mamdani 111 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 3: and his poll within the Democrat coalition, and it's already 112 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 3: doing that. XOS has a peace on that this morning. 113 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: Let's get to that right now. Talking to Edmarssey off 114 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: hotair dot Com. First, the more I look at them numbers, 115 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: the more I look at the data, the idea that 116 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: the shutdown energized abase Zoron Mamdani got just over a 117 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: million votes when over just over two million votes were 118 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: cast in a city of eight point four million people. 119 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: It was less than twelve point five percent of the vote. 120 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: And toto, So no, I don't think there was this 121 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: great energy from Mom Donnie, except from MSNBCCNN and the rest. 122 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: And I do not think there was a great energy 123 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: that was delivered because of the shutdown. I I think 124 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,799 Speaker 1: is interesting when we talk about Schumer is that when 125 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: the election was set and done, they felt that they 126 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: had a mandate to keep going. They believed you heard 127 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: a Richard Blumenthal, Connecticut senator who lied about his Vietnam service. 128 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 2: I don't see the need to give up. 129 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: You heard from Chris Murphy Beta mail, Democrat senator from 130 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: Connecticut that we would be fools to give up now. 131 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: We'll lose our base heading into the midterms if we 132 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: give up now. They didn't want. 133 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 2: To give up. 134 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: Then you had the senators who crossed over and said, 135 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: you're all crazy. We're going to be normal people for 136 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: half a second ed And so now this is all 137 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,559 Speaker 1: said and done, everything's finished, it's signed, the shutdown is over. 138 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: Is Chuck Schumer done as the leader of the Democrats 139 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: in the Senate? 140 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 3: Not in this session, He's not maybe in the next session. 141 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 3: I mean, he doesn't come up for reelection until twenty 142 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 3: twenty eight. So you have to take a look and 143 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,679 Speaker 3: see how Democrats do in the mid terms, who. 144 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 4: Gets who loses their seats, who. 145 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: Comes into the Senate, And you know, as new senators, 146 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 3: you can take a look at that and then calculate that. 147 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 4: But there's who you going to replace him with? 148 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 3: You've got Patty Murray, maybe you've got Elizabeth Warren. 149 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 4: Kind of come on. 150 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 3: First off, I think that we're looking at that question 151 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 3: incorrectly because this assumes that eight senators actually, you know, 152 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 3: revolted against Chuck Schumer. Chuck Schumer arranged that vote. Chuck 153 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 3: Schumer understood that there was nothing more to be gained 154 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 3: from this, and he arranged that vote. And I'll tell 155 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:37,839 Speaker 3: you you know who. You know what the real talent, 156 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 3: and that is is Dick Durbin. Dick Durbin is from 157 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 3: Progressive Illinois. He is a toady. He was a tody 158 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 3: to Harry Reid. He's a toady to Chuck Schumer. Dick 159 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 3: Durbin's not running for office again. He's already announced his retirement. 160 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 3: If Dick Durbin flipped on this thing, it's because Chuck 161 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 3: Schumer told him to. There is no universe in which 162 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 3: Dick revolts against Chuck Schumer, none whatsoever. Was a This 163 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 3: was a calculated move to bring this to an end 164 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 3: before Thanksgiving because of the damage it was doing. And 165 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 3: I think that that was the first smart move that 166 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 3: Chuck Schumer even made in this thing was to finally 167 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 3: bring this thing to a halt before it really extended 168 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 3: through through the holidays and actually might have an impact 169 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 3: on the midterms. I don't think that this actually is 170 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 3: going to have a huge lasting impact on American politics. 171 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 3: I think by the time the midterms come around, there's 172 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 3: me all sorts of things that people will be talking 173 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 3: about besides what happened. 174 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 4: You know, for these six weeks. 175 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 3: But one reason, one way you make sure that that's 176 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 3: the case is to bring it to a close and 177 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 3: do it quickly as soon as you can, and be 178 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 3: able to scapegoat some people who aren't in running for 179 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 3: reelection in the next cycle. I was all eight of 180 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 3: these senators are not up for election in the next cycle. 181 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: I was amazed that it happened so quickly. I expected 182 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: Rand Paul to hold something up because there are some 183 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: things in this legislation about how the Republican senators can 184 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,599 Speaker 1: sue if Jack Smith looked at their phone records conversations 185 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: about HEMP and THHC that really are I would say 186 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: untoward as being way too kind. Talking to Ed Marcy 187 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: of hotair dot com, it's some ugly legislation that came 188 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: through here, But I agree that this doesn't have a 189 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: midterm effect unless we look at the cr that's going 190 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: to come up in September twenty twenty six. 191 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 2: That very much could. 192 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: Yes, But this was a question about if Schumer's done, 193 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: and I believe his leadership is because as you point 194 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: out over there at Axios, guess who's taking the strategic 195 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: reins of the Democrat Party. Now the picture is of 196 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: Zoronmam Donnie with Alex Soros. I argue it's Alex Soros. 197 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: I did saw on Sean Spicer's show last week. You're 198 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: making a different argument, but they could quite easily ed 199 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: because supplementary arguments. 200 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 2: Absolutely your stating that it is Mom Donnie. 201 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,599 Speaker 1: What you're I think you're saying is the Democratic Socialist 202 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: day has come. They have engaged a full takeover the 203 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: Democratic Party and now we're all about to find out 204 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: if indeed we are to fa. 205 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 3: Exactly, And you're right, these are not mutually exclusive claims 206 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 3: because Alex Soros is a big part of promoting Zoron Mamdanis. 207 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 3: As you can see from the congratulatory picture they took 208 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 3: the evening of the election after it was confirmed that 209 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 3: Mamdani had won the meg or Ole election. This is 210 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 3: the same party, by the way, that keeps saying no 211 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 3: kings and no oligarchs, and of course Alex Soros is 212 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 3: basically out of central casting for Hollywood, for oligarchs or 213 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 3: the scions of oligarchs, I guess in this particular case. 214 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 3: And so yes, I mean this is the Democrat socialist 215 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 3: taking over the peace in Axios talks about how Mamdanni 216 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 3: is now consulting with JB. Pritzker, Wes Moore, and interestingly enough, 217 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 3: Josh Shapiro on strategy to oppose Donald Trump. That is 218 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 3: not Mom Donnie asking for you know, advice. That's Mum 219 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 3: Donnie saying, you guys lost the last couple of years. 220 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you how to win. And Shapiro 221 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 3: was at least honest enough to allude to that by saying, well, Mom, Donnie, 222 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 3: really had you know, showed us the through line on 223 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 3: affordability and how that works. Mo'm Donnie's taking over the 224 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 3: Democrat Party. Man, Donnie's allies are taking over the Democrat Party. 225 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 3: That's what this is about. So short term, Chuck Schumer 226 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 3: stays in power, stays in that leadership position, but long 227 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 3: term the Democrat Socialist. It's aoc Mo'm donnie. You know, 228 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 3: you know Alyssa Pressley, I think Alissa Presley, Jasmine Crockett. 229 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 3: Those are the people who are taking over the Democrat 230 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 3: Party from this point forward. 231 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: Talking to Ed Marscy of hotair dot com, this, you know, 232 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: someone's gonna ask me, well, Tony, if that's the case, 233 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: Howard g is going to keep voting for Democrats? And 234 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: my answer is, I don't know. I don't know every 235 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: Jewish person out there. They don't want to go to 236 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: my synagogue, but I guarantee you a bunch of them 237 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: still are, because well, there are people who have given 238 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: up their you know, their humanity if you will, for 239 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: their ideology. 240 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 2: And that is certainly something that has happened. 241 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: When we talk about democratic socialists, which are socialists, no 242 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: such thing as a democratic socialist. 243 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 2: This is all just a great bit of mythology. 244 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: So now the question is do we think that America 245 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: is actually prepared for this? That question is something that 246 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: gets asked in the cable newsphere and others. 247 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 2: I think the answer is they're already down this road. 248 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: The question is, how do you suggest that that gets 249 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: blunted because what they what they believe in as a policy, 250 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: as a philosophy, ends up with ruination just because well 251 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: we've read the book. 252 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, well the book, by the way, is the road 253 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 3: to serve them. I would highly recommend the book. 254 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: H y e h the brother of Selma Hyak and 255 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: looks just as hot in movies. 256 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 4: I was gonna say, the uncle of Salma Hyak. 257 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 2: Oh, well I'm kinder than you. 258 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, but don't watch. 259 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 3: Don't watch, uh Freda because Freda is all about the 260 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 3: opposite of what Hyak is telling you. 261 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 2: But yes, that's Freda Calla, that's Matero. Is that as 262 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 2: she was married to? Yeah see, I know, thanks, f A. 263 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 3: Hyek is hotter ideologically, I'll just say that. But yes, 264 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 3: this is You're right. There's no such thing as democratic socialism. 265 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 3: It's just socialism. This is about taking power by any 266 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 3: means necessary, and that means street action, that means the 267 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 3: type of stuff we've seen for the last two years 268 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 3: on college campuses from Democrats socialists that are pro Hamas. 269 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 4: Uh. 270 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 3: This is part of mom Donnie's own influence, right, this 271 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 3: is this is the sector of politics that he came 272 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 3: out of. These pro Hamas, pro socialism an outright Marxist 273 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 3: and proudly so, and is intending on imposing socialist policies 274 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 3: on New York City and then broadly on the rest 275 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 3: of the country. Through these consultations with Democrat governors as 276 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 3: to how to oppose Donald Trump, he is taking the lead. 277 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 3: If I was in his position, I'd be doing the 278 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 3: exact same thing. I won the election. You guys lost. 279 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 3: It's time you start listening to me. Because I'm in 280 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 3: the vanguard of where your constituencies are going. It makes 281 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 3: perfect sense. It's very dangerous because of what he is. 282 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 3: But if I was in his position, I'd say the 283 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 3: exact same thing. It's not easy to defeat various governors. 284 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 3: It's not easy to defeat ed at all. 285 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 4: No, it's not because it's very seductive. 286 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 3: And I'll tell you this the other thing to Tony 287 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 3: and I know we don't have a ton of time 288 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 3: on this, But for the last few decades, the American 289 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 3: educational system has been in doctrinating students into thinking that 290 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 3: socialism is a legitimate, proven method of governing, when all 291 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 3: the evidence of the twentieth century shows the absolute destruction 292 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 3: that socialist policies have created. Whether it's you know, national 293 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 3: socialism in Germany, or whether it's communist socialism in the 294 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 3: Soviet Union and in China and Venezuela right now and 295 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 3: every other place that's been applied. And that's where you 296 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 3: need to read the road to serve them. Because in 297 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 3: nineteen thirty eight, nineteen thirty nine, i think is when 298 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 3: he wrote this book. Maybe it was in the nineteen forties, 299 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 3: he laid it out very clearly as to exactly the model. 300 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 3: And the model keeps proving itself over and over and 301 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 3: over again when socialism, when socialist policies fail, the answer 302 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 3: from socialists is more socialism, and. 303 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 4: It's more brutal. 304 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 3: It keeps getting more and more brutal because as people fail, 305 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 3: they get replaced by people who will impose those policies 306 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 3: more or brutally because they can't accept the fact that 307 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 3: the policies themselves are wrong. It's just simply that we 308 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 3: didn't we didn't socialism enough. We've got a socialism harder. 309 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: The the the round hole is never square enough for 310 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: the square peg, so the square peg must be further 311 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: pounded into the round hole. That's exactly what we're discussing. 312 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: Ed Morrissey hotair dot com. I appreciate you being with us. 313 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: More to get to I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony 314 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: Katz today