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Speaker 1: You're listening to the best of the Fan morning show

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Speaker 1: on ninety three five and one oh seven five the Fan.

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Speaker 2: I saved the best for last. The most important thing

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Speaker 2: to me, you know. When I was at IU in

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Speaker 2: the fall of nineteen fifty, I met my wife, Nancy, the.

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Speaker 3: Woman that many people would say saved the Indiana Pacers franchise.

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Speaker 4: The first lady of the Pacers, the great Nancy Leonard.

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Speaker 5: They said, we're running out of money. We don't have

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Speaker 5: enough money to pay the salaries of the players for

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Speaker 5: some reason. We just need some kind of exciting activity

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Speaker 5: for the fans, like a telephon.

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Speaker 4: As of twelve twenty five, we've got an hour and fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Minutes to go, Bob, We're in eighty twenty eight.

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Speaker 6: If the Pacers don't survive, do we get the Colts

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Speaker 6: in nineteen eighty four? Does the amateur sports initiative really

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Speaker 6: take hold as it did in the early eighties. I

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Speaker 6: think that was really a major major component to Indianapolis

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Speaker 6: being able to build itself not only is a great town,

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Speaker 6: but a great sports town.

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Speaker 7: They helped resurrect the team from almost going into some

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Speaker 7: sort of financial default.

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Speaker 5: They were like eight or ten owners of the places

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Speaker 5: that time, they felt they needed a general manager. Pretty soon,

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Speaker 5: I just said, there are so many people that are

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Speaker 5: qualified to be a general manager. And I said that

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Speaker 5: I do feel the teams that I seemed to really

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Speaker 5: have it all together have somebody that have had some

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Speaker 5: involvement in the sport. And it was did silence, and

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Speaker 5: I thought, oh my god, what have I said. And

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Speaker 5: one of the owners said, well, then if you know

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Speaker 5: all that, why don't you do it? And Bob, you

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Speaker 5: know what he said. He looked at me and he

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Speaker 5: said she can do it. And they said, okay, that's it.

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Speaker 4: You took over and she did everything inside, all the paper,

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Speaker 4: everything had to come through.

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Speaker 8: Nanci.

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Speaker 4: Have Nancy watched the US Open and how these golfers

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Speaker 4: walk out and tell her to pick a favorite.

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Speaker 5: That's easy. You just go and watch all the golfers.

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Speaker 5: And when you can see the guy with the cutest light,

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Speaker 5: did you get them? My biggest accompli show was not

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Speaker 5: that telephone.

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Speaker 4: You know that.

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Speaker 5: I started the pace lights in the basement of my house.

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Speaker 5: One night, we're down there, my little two year old,

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Speaker 4: Watching the girl.

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Speaker 1: What would have meant to him to see a championship.

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Speaker 5: I look up in the stands at the games and

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Speaker 5: I think, oh my gosh, you brother's Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: It's hard.

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Speaker 5: Into such a wonderful.

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Speaker 7: Rud the first lady of Indianapolis sports. And we've all

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Speaker 7: learned a lot more about Nancy Leonard if you didn't

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Speaker 7: know already over the last twenty four hours as we

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Speaker 7: honor the life, the legacy, the memory of Nancy Leonard,

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Speaker 7: who's gone to be with Slick, passing away yesterday at

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Speaker 7: the age of ninety three. Great job on that, Mark Dyke,

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Speaker 7: and I know you worked really hard on that all

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Speaker 7: it is absolutely a life worth celebrating, remembering, honoring for

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Speaker 7: anyone who's just even a French sports fan, and even

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Speaker 7: ripple effects of what she did made this city what

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Speaker 7: it is. Good morning, Kevin Bowen, Good morning James Boyd. Mark,

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Speaker 7: Congratulations on a fantastic tribute to Nancy there.

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Speaker 1: We unfortunately broke the news.

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Speaker 7: We didn't break the news, but we learned of the

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Speaker 7: We'll do that for a few minutes this morning before

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Speaker 7: we start to address some of the other things that

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Speaker 7: are in front of us and on our plate. Kevin,

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Speaker 7: I want to start with you. You're an Indianapolis native

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Speaker 7: You've been to Market Square Arena in the old days,

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Speaker 7: You've been to all the things as they've evolved over

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Speaker 7: the years. When I say the name Nancy Leonard, what

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I've always said to myself without Peyton Manning,

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Speaker 3: And I also thought yesterday about Monday's show. You know,

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Speaker 3: And again, first lady, like you said of the Indiana Pacers,

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Speaker 3: and you know everything she did from a telethon standpoint,

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Speaker 3: I think for the most part, our audience understands that background.

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Speaker 3: The more I was reading up on her, I didn't

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Speaker 3: the three point line to become a thing in the ABA.

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Speaker 3: And I mean, think about the three point line from

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Speaker 3: when you save an NBA franchise, they get pushed down

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Speaker 3: the rung a little bit in what you share. So Mark,

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Speaker 3: to do it today.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: And if you have the chance to go back on

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Speaker 7: the line and listen to either of those two shows,

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Speaker 7: they were reacting in real time. Obviously we had just

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Speaker 7: learned about it at the very end of our show,

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Speaker 7: But I know on Jake's show alone, Kevin Pritchard called

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Speaker 7: There were several key people from the entire lifespan of

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Speaker 7: I would highly encourage you to go back and listen

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Speaker 7: to some of that. James Boyd, I know you've this

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Speaker 7: is an adopted city for you. You've been here and

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Speaker 7: one of the things I like about you, one of

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Speaker 7: the fan is you have jumped into the deep end

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Speaker 7: of Indianapolis sports head first high school games, local college games,

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Speaker 7: the universities, the NBA, the NFL, and you've kind of

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Speaker 7: the fact that you were out and about and you're

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Speaker 9: What do you know? What do you think about it?

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Speaker 10: I think for me personally, it probably became a bigger

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Speaker 10: most previous time, because during that run I had so

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Speaker 1: Oh, nobody believed in us. We're not supposed to be here.

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Speaker 10: This is uncharted territory, but it kind of is because

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Speaker 10: they literally are not supposed to be here without the telethon.

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Speaker 10: And so going back through the history of the franchise,

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Speaker 10: learning about Nancy and Slick and the two legends that

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Speaker 10: they are, and the cool part about it is whenever

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Speaker 10: I would bring up Slick because that's who I learned

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Speaker 10: about first, everyone was like, wait a second, James, you

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Speaker 10: just yet, because you got to go Nancy too. And

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Speaker 10: this isn't like a a he's one rung above her

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Speaker 10: type of thing, Like, no, they're a pair together.

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Speaker 1: So that's what I've learned along the way.

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Speaker 10: And I go back to a story I wrote right

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Speaker 10: before they played Game seven, and in the story, I

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Speaker 10: of resonates today was their journey from their dire past powers,

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Speaker 10: their defiant present. So all this, you know, it's us

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Speaker 10: against the world mentality that the Pacers embraced during that

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Speaker 10: finals run. That's what they kind of had to have

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Speaker 10: do for us because nobody else will. So we're gonna

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Speaker 10: ask our city and our fans to believe in us,

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Speaker 10: when if they did not, this franchise would have been elsewhere.

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Speaker 10: So much respect to Nancy Leonard. I had a chance

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Speaker 10: He had nothing to great things to say about them

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Speaker 10: such a big stage. And again you saw Tyr's Halliburton

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Speaker 10: made it to the finals going over to hug Her.

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Speaker 10: So obviously a lot of respect from past and present players.

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Speaker 7: First time around on the morning show for Mark and

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Speaker 7: I together, Slick Leonard was an indomitable part of what

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Speaker 7: we did. He not only joined us on the weekly,

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Speaker 7: but oftentimes just because we needed to talk to Slick

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Speaker 7: it was, Hey, let's get slick on and you'd make

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Speaker 11: I can still just hear the inflection. This is the Leonards,

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Speaker 11: this is Nancy. How you doing, Mark, I'm like doing well,

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Speaker 11: Slick there, She's like, yeah, do you mind, I'm gonna

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Speaker 11: playing in an opponent or something like that, and he'd

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Speaker 1: You need to hear a whisper. Jeremy Lamb.

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Speaker 11: Jeremy Lamb really good and like you can just tell

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Speaker 11: that influence on And it was just great to see

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Speaker 11: and two great humans there. So sad that they're both

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Speaker 7: And I'll tell you what, just as a married guy,

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Speaker 7: when you look at the relationship and Kevin, you could

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Speaker 7: chime in on this that just the day in, day out,

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Speaker 7: year in, year out, decade in, decade out, togetherness and

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Speaker 7: oneness of slicking Nancy if you were married at all

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Speaker 7: and you saw that it was inspiring, Kevin, There's no

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Speaker 7: other way to put it.

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Speaker 9: It just was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly, I think that's really well said. I want

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Speaker 3: to make sure we shared this. I got a DMS

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Speaker 3: day from listener Jeffrey goes needs to be a statue

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Speaker 3: of Nancy and Slick arm in arm waving to all

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Speaker 3: attendees who come into the field House lobby. That specific

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Speaker 3: image them welcome, welcoming us into the lobby makes total,

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Speaker 3: total sense.

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Speaker 9: I hadn't thought about that.

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Speaker 3: That's cool, So Jeffrey, thank you for that. I think

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Speaker 3: that is an awesome, awesome idea. I know Tyree mentioned

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Speaker 3: yesterday in his tweet, you know up in the rafters,

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Speaker 3: obviously Slicker is up there Nancy as well, but that

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Speaker 3: to me would be an awesome, awesome image.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the cooler.

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Speaker 3: Aspects of Gamebridge field House is that lobby. I think

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Speaker 3: it's such a welcoming environment. Obviously you saw a play

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Speaker 8: That was beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you could watch the documentary PBS Save the Pacers.

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Speaker 4: see him and hug him. Oh, Michael, Bob loved you.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I mean it's like it doesn't matter

436
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Speaker 4: you are. You may no longer be with the Pacers,

437
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 4: but in her eyes you're you're a Pacer for life

438
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,119
Speaker 4: and and there's something special about that. But that was

439
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,680
Speaker 4: that was a great pickup on you. You're right, You're

440
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 4: absolutely right because you don't listen. You you cover a

441
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Speaker 4: lot of other things you've been around the league. Uh,

442
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,640
Speaker 4: that's not the norm in in the world of sports

443
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 4: that kids that young get that respect that quick. It

444
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 4: doesn't happen everywhere. We should be That's another thing we

445
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Speaker 4: should cherish living here, Eddie.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to relay this from a listener. I thought

447
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 3: it was an excellent, excellent idea, and you've got more

448
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 3: clout over the I mean, hell, you might as well

449
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 3: be assignment with how much clout you've got. This from listener,

450
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Speaker 3: Jeffrey needs to be a statue of Nancy and Slick.

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Speaker 1: But what I love the most about this is.

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Speaker 3: This specific description of said statue. Jeffery says, arm in arm,

453
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Speaker 3: waving to all attendees who come into the Fieldhouse lobby.

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Speaker 3: I love, love, love that idea.

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Speaker 1: Can you make that happen?

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Speaker 4: Well, I know there's been talk about statues and stuff

457
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 4: for Reggie Miller and other people. And I don't know

458
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 4: where that goes, but again it's talked about all the time,

459
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Speaker 4: and I'm sure they'll come up again. I have always

460
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Speaker 4: maintained when I run for mayor, I know Jake wants

461
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Speaker 4: to run for mayor, and he has his initiatives. Mine

462
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 4: is going to be what is now Georgia Street should

463
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Speaker 4: be called the you know, the the Avenue of Champions,

464
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Speaker 4: and we would have plaques and in some cases statues

465
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Speaker 4: of all the great sports entities that we've ever had

466
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Speaker 4: in the state of Indiana. Think about that. Because we

467
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Speaker 4: have the National Firefighters, we have national conventions, we have

468
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Speaker 4: worldwide events. Why wouldn't we have a cavalcade, an avenue,

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Speaker 4: a channel whatever of whether there's a Rockney plaque or

470
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Speaker 4: there's a thing about Notre names Heiser Trophy winners, there

471
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Speaker 4: a Bob Knight thing, or the greatness of Purdue women's

472
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Speaker 4: basketball and whatever high school basketball tribute to Mylin, the Pacers,

473
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Speaker 4: the Colts, Peyton with auto racing, the bicyclists, all that

474
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 4: stuff all is along Georgia Street with plaques and statues,

475
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Speaker 4: and it's like, that's what you have to go see

476
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Speaker 4: when you go to Indianapolis and you'll know more of

477
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Speaker 4: their sports history and then we just keep adding to it.

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Speaker 4: And that's that's my idea, and I think we should

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Speaker 4: do that as I run for mayor.

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Speaker 3: You imagine a mayor debate between Eddie White and Jake Quarel.

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Speaker 7: My lad, you got the telephon, have to block all

482
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Speaker 7: had six hours there, lord.

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Speaker 2: And you would.

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Speaker 4: It would be a filibuster and you wouldn't need a moderator.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hell no, you would, and the moderator would get

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Speaker 3: in two words.

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Speaker 7: Good good luck to the reporter. Tried to still a

488
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Speaker 7: few soundbites down to the recount. Eddie, you're the best man.

489
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Speaker 7: I know you got a big, big event coming up

490
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Speaker 7: tomorrow night. That place will be popping as the Fever

491
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Speaker 7: bring the playoffs back to the field House there.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely can't wait. I mean, how spect has this year

493
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 4: been NBA Finals, WNB All Star Game and potentially w

494
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Speaker 4: NBA Finals. It's fantastic. Colts doing so well. Notre Dame

495
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 4: finally won a game, Kevin, Thank god. Defense stinks, but hey,

496
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Speaker 4: maybe if Bengals lose another game and get al golden back.

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Speaker 1: On that note, Eddie, have a great day, buddy, I'll

498
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Speaker 1: see you soon.

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Speaker 4: Go Pacier, Go Fever, Go Irish.

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Speaker 7: Hope your Thursday morning's going well for just joining us.

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00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 7: The entire show really done in memory and honor of

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Speaker 7: Nancy Leonard today passing away yesterday at the age of

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Speaker 7: ninety three. And we've been talking about that all morning

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Speaker 7: and all day yesterday, and in addition to all the other.

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Speaker 9: Great things that are going on in the sports world.

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Speaker 7: One of the quick baseball note that I wanted to

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Speaker 7: point out that I kind of didn't have time a

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Speaker 7: minute ago. Kevin, we were talking. We've been talking about

509
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Speaker 7: Indiana and India people all day long. Kyle Schwarber hit

510
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Speaker 7: his fifty fifth and fifty sixth yesterday for the Phillies.

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Speaker 7: By the way, that's that's a heck of a baseball

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Speaker 7: U legend man.

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Speaker 1: Unbelievable.

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Speaker 7: that theme our next guest. Have you heavily involved in

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Speaker 7: covering both the Pacers and the fever. Of course, Scott

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Speaker 7: Agnes for the Fieldhouse Files, joining us now in the

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Speaker 7: Payless Liquors. Hon Good Thursday morning, Scott Agnes. I know,

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Speaker 7: like you and the rest of us, a bittersweet day,

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Speaker 7: a lot of heavy heart for Nancy Leonard, for you

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Speaker 7: and everybody else that has ever covered that team.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, good morning, guys. You're totally right there. I mean,

527
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 12: she was so kind, so witty, so loyal and in

528
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 12: just an omnipresent person around Gamebridge Fieldhouse. That's why it

529
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 12: was so notable last season, why she was away and

530
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Speaker 12: not there for so often. But I'm just so thrilled

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Speaker 12: that she was able to be there and enjoy that

532
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Speaker 12: playoff run all the way back to the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 12: She was able to take part in that in that

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Speaker 12: Game six against the Knicks, and just to see the

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Speaker 12: Pacers poor love into her after the win and the

536
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Speaker 12: celebrate and the hugs and just all that different stuff.

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Speaker 12: But this is a giant of the lost obviously for

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Speaker 12: the Pacers in this city.

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Speaker 10: Scott, you were there firsthand, like medium us where we

540
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 10: saw Miles Turner after the Pacers punch tickets to the

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Speaker 10: finals go over to hug Nancy Leonard, who saw several

542
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Speaker 10: players do that throughout that run and kind of give

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Speaker 10: her that opportunity and that shine. And so when you

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Speaker 10: see the current players and also past players and everyone

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Speaker 10: sort of look at her as the matriarch, what do

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Speaker 10: you think that says about what she meant to this

547
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 10: franchise beyond what her legacy meant alongside Slick Leonard, but

548
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Speaker 10: just as her stand alone icon that she is.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, And there's so many different elements to it, right,

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00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 12: It's from one standpoint, it's the hut or excuse, it's

551
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 12: the wife of like, but then it's also being the

552
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 12: assistant GM and then it's really also just being the connector.

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Speaker 12: I mean, she's hosting dinner parties for so many different people.

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Speaker 12: She got so many pacers set up. She was a

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00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 12: real estate agent.

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Speaker 8: She used to get.

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Speaker 12: Many pacers set up with their house and to just

558
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Speaker 12: be comfortable. Like we saw even Myles Turner tweets, you know,

559
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Speaker 12: the when I got here to Indianapolis, she was one

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Speaker 12: of the first people that kind of made this feel

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Speaker 12: like a home to me. And I just can't say

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Speaker 12: how many times she was just someone that you love

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Speaker 12: to be around that made you smile, that always made

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Speaker 12: you feel welcome, and and with this Pacers organization in particular,

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00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 12: I mean especially years ago. They I mean the stats crew,

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Speaker 12: ball boys, all those different people would hang out, whether

567
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Speaker 12: at the Leonard's house or at the player's house. It

568
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 12: was just a whole different world back then. And how

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Speaker 12: connected all these individuals were, and it all revolved around

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Speaker 12: Nancy and Slick.

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Speaker 3: It's gotta be quite the watch party tomorrow upstairs, if

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Speaker 3: you will, I'm sure for Nancy and Slick and many

573
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Speaker 3: others there. Jim Morris watching the Fever play a big time,

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Speaker 3: big time game Game three of the Western Era, I

575
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 3: shouldn't say the Western of the WNBA semi finals game

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00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 3: just best of five. So this one carries a ton

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Speaker 3: of way you were out there in Vegas for Games

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Speaker 3: one and two. If I removed Asia Wilson Scott, and

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Speaker 3: if I removed Kelsey Mitchell from the storylines, well, what

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Speaker 3: do you think is the biggest one for tomorrow night.

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Speaker 12: I think it's got to be the physicality just overall

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Speaker 12: of both this series and the way in which this

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00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 12: league is officiated. I thought it was notable. Gabe, after

584
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Speaker 12: the game, you have Stephanie who might come in there

585
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 12: and said, hey, they were calling everything. We couldn't find

586
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 12: any rhythm or flow because it's just whistle after whistle.

587
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 12: And then immediately after that you have Becky Hammond come

588
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 12: in and go, you know, what are we doing with

589
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 12: this physicality? I mean, wide receivers aren't allowed this much

590
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 12: contact after that five yards like what are we doing here?

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Speaker 12: And so just too to me, it's a physicality, it's

592
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 12: the fouls, it's the way in which the game is official.

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00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 12: It's something that the whole league needs to get cleaned

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00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 12: up now with these two teams in particular, I'd probably

595
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 12: go down to Lexi Hall and her availability and how

596
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Speaker 12: how how impactful she's able to be. Like I thought

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00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 12: it was remarkable how she was able to knock down

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Speaker 12: those five threes given how she was feeling, because you

599
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,239
Speaker 12: could see a shoot around and I even asked her.

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Speaker 12: I was like, hey, how's the body doing right now?

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Speaker 12: And she smiled, trying not to give away too much,

602
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Speaker 12: but was basically like, yeah, we're going through it, but

603
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 12: everybody's going through it and uh, we'll see. And so

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Speaker 12: I think oftentimes when players are going through an injury

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00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 12: like that, sometimes maybe maybe like a shot is better

606
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Speaker 12: because they're not thinking about that part of it. They're

607
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 12: not overthinking or or whatever, and that led to her

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Speaker 12: having a good shooting night from outside.

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Speaker 7: What's this game look like if it goes well for

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Speaker 7: the fever, Like, what's the flow? The flow, the pace?

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Speaker 7: What what happens?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I think early on it's them probably having the

614
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 12: lead after the first quarter like they did in the

615
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 12: first what four games in the postseason. It's dictating pace.

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Speaker 12: The fact that they didn't have any fast break points

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Speaker 12: at halftime in just four for the game. Jeff, that's unacceptable.

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Speaker 12: That's not gonna win them games just because of how

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Speaker 12: much they and just like the paces are predicated on

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Speaker 12: getting stops, on getting out and on the run and

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Speaker 12: getting the defense struggling there. I think it's having a

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Speaker 12: couple other players in double figures, whether you know, outside

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Speaker 12: of the obvious ones. I think that's important. And then

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Speaker 12: the other thing is I didn't mind Ajia Wilson having

625
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 12: twenty five points. To me, it was the others. It

626
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 12: was having the Aces have two bench players in double

627
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Speaker 12: figures for example, that was concerning. And then I think

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Speaker 12: the other point here is it's got to be at

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Speaker 12: least twenty five points. Probably for Kelsey Mitchell. She doesn't

630
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Speaker 12: have to go for forty, but she has to hold

631
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Speaker 12: you up on the high end there with twenty five

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Speaker 12: to thirty points to have a chance.

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Speaker 10: He was Scott, she didn't have to go for forty,

634
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Speaker 10: but I wouldn't mind seeing it. I believe that would

635
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 10: be a fever postseason record. Last one from me, not

636
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 10: a very serious question, but what are we thinking for tomorrow?

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Speaker 10: You're going suit and tie again?

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Speaker 8: You know?

639
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Speaker 10: I just want to make sure that that when when

640
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 10: I walk by, do you know I make sure? Yeah,

641
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 10: I want to make sure when you know, when I

642
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 10: walk by, I keep up my distance from him, to

643
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 10: make sure people don't think that I'm like his security

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00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 10: or something. Because you know, Scott, you were very dapper

645
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Speaker 10: last week. So we were you going suit and tie again?

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Speaker 9: Probably?

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00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 8: Yeah?

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00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: All right?

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00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 9: What a professional? What a professional?

650
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Speaker 10: But yes, Scott, we will see you soon, my friend.

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Speaker 10: I'll see you tomorrow and keep up with the great work.

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Speaker 10: I know you've been traveling a lot and I can

653
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Speaker 10: hear it in your voice. You'll probably just walk you

654
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Speaker 10: up this morning, So I appreciate you joining.

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Speaker 9: To go, Scott appreciated.

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Speaker 12: You got a nice hoodie, by the way, that looks sharp.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, sir.

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Speaker 1: See that.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I know, I know my role.

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Speaker 7: Hey real quickly before we let you go to I

661
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Speaker 7: know there was a couple of Pacer related moves this

662
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Speaker 7: week as far as the Pacer signing. But what do

663
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Speaker 7: you think of Thomas Bryant taking off for the Cavaliers.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I think that was a situation where he's just

665
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 12: looking for an option, non guaranteed contract, and this time

666
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Speaker 12: of the year, if you're signing, it's you're just looking

667
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Speaker 12: to try to show what you can do throughout a

668
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Speaker 12: training camp and then into the regular season and see

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Speaker 12: if you can hang on there. So I think it

670
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Speaker 12: was a good match and a good fine for the

671
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Speaker 12: Pacers last year, but then they moved on and he

672
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Speaker 12: needed to find a new opportunity and now he's right

673
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Speaker 12: there with maybe the favorites in the East. It's wide

674
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Speaker 12: open though.

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Speaker 7: All right, buddy, we'll let you go. Thanks so much

676
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Speaker 7: for stopping by. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 8: Awesome.

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Speaker 12: Thanks guys.

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Speaker 7: One of the great American sports writers, Dan Wetzel, joining

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Speaker 7: us on the Payless Liquors Hotline. Dan is that time

681
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Speaker 7: of year, there's so many good things to talk about.

682
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Speaker 8: How you been been good? How are you doing this morning?

683
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 7: We're doing outstanding, and so many good things here in

684
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Speaker 7: the state of Indiana. Cults are undefeated, The Hoosiers are

685
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Speaker 7: now undefeated. What the heck is going on down there

686
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 7: in Bloomington right now?

687
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Speaker 9: All kinds of good stuff.

688
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 8: Fever went in, right, you get the fever going, yes,

689
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 8: all yeah, they're just continuing on. That's what they're That's

690
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Speaker 8: what they're doing in Bloomington. I think everybody, like a

691
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 8: lot of people around at least the country, thought, Okay,

692
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 8: when's the when's the balloon pop? Here? On on the

693
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 8: Hoosiers a little return to me and they could still

694
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Speaker 8: be good, but not just totally waxing Illinois the way

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Speaker 8: they did last week. And uh, I don't know if

696
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Speaker 8: it's gonna pop. I don't know this. This team looks

697
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 8: better than last year to me or did I mean

698
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 8: that game Saturday night? Wash could not be more impressive.

699
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 8: Illinois is a good team. I don't think they were

700
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Speaker 8: the ninth best team in the country, but they're good.

701
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 8: Brett Beelim, I's got, you know, just a style of

702
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 8: play that that you grind out clock and you you know,

703
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 8: you run the ball, you control, you have good defense,

704
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Speaker 8: you don't get you don't give up sixty three points

705
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 8: or get beat sixty three to ten. So obviously a great,

706
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 8: great time for Who's Your Football? Uh and it looked

707
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Speaker 8: like it in the stands.

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Speaker 10: There, Dan, everything you just said cut me because James

709
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Speaker 10: Boyd here, I am an Illinois alum in Indiana State,

710
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Speaker 10: and uh yeah, I'm wearing a a Who's Your shirt

711
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Speaker 10: right now?

712
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 9: Lost the bed.

713
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 10: The shirt's kind of stinky. I have to wear it

714
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 10: all week because some bad decisions that I made predicting

715
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Speaker 10: that Illinois would beat the Brakes off IU, which was

716
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Speaker 10: the complete reverse of what happened. But one a more

717
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Speaker 10: serious note. When you hear a coach say we broke

718
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Speaker 10: their will, what does that tell you about where I

719
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 10: you used to be compared to where they are now?

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Speaker 8: Well, yeah, I don't know if they ever broke anyone's will.

721
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Speaker 8: I mean it's I don't tell people there. I mean

722
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Speaker 8: it broke my Wordy thirty years, they averaged four point

723
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Speaker 8: one victories a year over thirty years. Wow, I haven't

724
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Speaker 8: really been good since was it sixty seven or something?

725
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 8: Like that, so we're look going in on close to

726
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Speaker 8: sixty years. It just didn't happen, broke anybody's will, And then,

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Speaker 8: you know, Signette is just awesome. I mean, he he

728
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Speaker 8: didn't get he didn't get a a I don't even

729
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Speaker 8: know if you would call getting an Indiana job two

730
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 8: years ago big time job. But he didn't get a

731
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Speaker 8: power job until he's sixty two years old. I don't

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Speaker 8: know how. I don't know what took so long. And

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Speaker 8: he's not waiting around and he doesn't mind telling people

734
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Speaker 8: about it. I you know, I love the scene at

735
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Speaker 8: the end of the first half they put thirty five

736
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Speaker 8: up on Illinois and they said what do you want

737
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Speaker 8: out of your offense? And just at more points he'll

738
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Speaker 8: just stay whatever to say it broke the will, just

739
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 8: total domination. He's a lot of fun. I mean, he's

740
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Speaker 8: a lot of fun. He puts it out there and

741
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Speaker 8: he's one of a kind, so it's obviously cool.

742
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Speaker 3: It's a great piece from Dan Wetzel. Kurtzignetti isn't here

743
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Speaker 3: to play nice and he may not be close to done.

744
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Speaker 3: You can find that on ESPN. Dan I was struck

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Speaker 3: by a couple of lines in your story one, and

746
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Speaker 3: you just kind of hinted at it right there. He

747
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 3: speaks of his as if he's trying to sell slogan

748
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Speaker 3: T shirts.

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Speaker 1: I did have to laugh at that one, But I

750
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Speaker 1: thought the one.

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Speaker 3: That really struck with me a little bit more was

752
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 3: you mentioning how he was the best coach for their situation.

753
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 3: And I think you've kind of gotten to that here

754
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Speaker 3: in some of your answers to the last few minutes,

755
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 3: But like, yes, you needed a coach that had won.

756
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 3: But I think almost in hindsight of course of twenty twenty,

757
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 3: I you needed a dude that's cocky as hell for

758
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 3: him to walk in there and tell people in the administration,

759
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 3: people in the fan base, people within the university of like, no, no, no,

760
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 3: this is how we're going to do it, or you

761
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 3: can continue to be the laughing stock of college football.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was a great.

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Speaker 9: Line in the ad.

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Speaker 8: Well, I think this is a you know, it's a

765
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Speaker 8: new era of the sport, obviously, and you see some

766
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 8: traditional powers are struggling with that, and Kirk Signetti, you know,

767
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 8: it was perfect for Indiana, and I think he looked

768
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Speaker 8: and said about Indiana is not in this era is

769
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Speaker 8: going to take five years. I need four recruiting class.

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Speaker 8: And he's like, no, I'm going to get guys right now.

771
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Speaker 8: And you know, college football and college basketball, the transfer

772
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 8: portal and nil and all that just you know, everybody

773
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 8: hates it and this and that, and it's terrible. And

774
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 8: these kids in the portal they're quitters, or they're disloyal,

775
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 8: or they're you know, whatever it is. And I think

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Speaker 8: when you are a coach who thinks that way, you

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Speaker 8: know it may affect your ability to get some of

778
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 8: the guys. Signetti I think looks at it a little

779
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 8: bit more like I often do, which is that these

780
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Speaker 8: players are not disloyal. They're often cases there were guys

781
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Speaker 8: that were overlooked when they were in high school. Maybe

782
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 8: they weren't that good when they were seventeen, maybe they

783
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Speaker 8: didn't get to go to the Elite eleven camps or whatever.

784
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Speaker 8: Maybe they whatever reason, they played multiple sports. They got

785
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 8: better and they're fighting their way up. You know, they're coming.

786
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 8: They're getting from D two to the mac bang shot

787
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 8: to go to the Big ten. I'm going and I'm

788
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 8: getting there and I'm not you know, I kicked the

789
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Speaker 8: door in. And now that I'm here, I'm ready to

790
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 8: win right now. And that's the same way Signetti is.

791
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 8: You wait that many years you have this talented of

792
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 8: a coach, and you don't get to to even in

793
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 8: Indiana until you're sixty two years old. You're not sitting

794
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 8: around saying, hey, I got to take a few years

795
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 8: to you know, just kind of get used to the

796
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Speaker 8: temperature and say we're going to win right now, let's go.

797
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 8: And I think that he's found those kids that are

798
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 8: really hungry and really want to play and can play

799
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Speaker 8: at a very good level. No, you're not gonna have

800
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Speaker 8: Ohio State's roster. You're probably never gonna have Ohio States roster,

801
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 8: but that he didn't sit there and talk about that.

802
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 8: He said, yeah, let's go out. We're gonna beat Ohio State.

803
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 8: I think that's translating out. He's perfect for Indiana. And

804
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 8: if you look at Indiana's got money, they can get

805
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,919
Speaker 8: boosters to help pay and they can they've got revenue share,

806
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 8: and they've got the big ten membership and all that.

807
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 8: Why not in and why not be really good at

808
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 8: Indiana right away? And I think that he's rallied that up.

809
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 8: And I think a lot of people are looking at him.

810
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 8: I would even say, why would I even have to

811
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 8: leave here to be great? Like everyone's like, oh, he'll

812
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 8: leave or go to another job. Why? What's in this

813
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,959
Speaker 8: era of the sport? What's wrong with staying in Indiana? Yeah?

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00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 3: I was shocking as a statement as that would have

815
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 3: sounded a few years ago. I think that is correct.

816
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 3: The great Dan Wessel What is here on the paylofft

817
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 3: stickers hotline from ESPN, Dan, we're in year two of

818
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 3: this college football playoff. We seemingly discuss and debate the

819
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 3: format of it endlessly. Would you make any changes to

820
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 3: how this playoff format is?

821
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 8: I would not. I like twelve. I think it's a

822
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 8: good number right now.

823
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Speaker 1: You like the whole game? Do you like the whole

824
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: run away and all that?

825
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 8: Yeah? I like home games. I would actually do a

826
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Speaker 8: second round of home games. I would give the top

827
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Speaker 8: four teams to get a buy get a home game.

828
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Speaker 8: First thing I would do is not change anything for

829
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 8: a couple of years, and let's let this cook and

830
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 8: let's see right. I mean, they started talking about how

831
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 8: before before they even played last year's twelve team, they

832
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 8: were already in talks about how they were going to

833
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 8: expand it, Like, why don't we Why don't we see

834
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 8: what works what doesn't. Maybe they're you know, what's fair,

835
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 8: what's not? Whatever, whatever goes, let's give it a little

836
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 8: bit of time. But I like twelve of the number.

837
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 8: I think you get the right blend of You can't

838
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 8: just lose a bunch of games and make it. It's

839
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 8: not easy to make. I don't like the Big Ten's

840
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 8: plan of this four automatic bids and there's six, you know,

841
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 8: six teams really getting to play in a playing game,

842
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 8: which is the same thing as being in the tournament.

843
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 8: I think it's it's it's right now at twelve to me,

844
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 8: at least last year looked like the right blend of

845
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 8: are you any good? Did you know? Games have consequences?

846
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 8: So I like twelve. I wouldn't touch it. I wouldn't

847
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 8: touch it. Are they going to expand it? Oh? I'm

848
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 8: sure that I was listening to me, But I don't

849
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 8: see why more is better? Especially in football?

850
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 9: Yeah, what's so?

851
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 7: Joining us obviously writing a lot about college football a

852
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 7: senior writer at ESPN, but also has a great series

853
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 7: of books that he that he puts out, and the

854
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 7: eleventh edition this past Year of Epic Athletes featured Caitlin Clark.

855
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 7: We know Caitlyn has had an injury marred season, But

856
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 7: what did you learn about Caitlin Clark that maybe you

857
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 7: didn't know before you started doing that?

858
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, so those books are for like middle school readers,

859
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 8: kind of for me second third grade. Yeah, yeah, people

860
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 8: parents love him. Actually it's because it's like it's one

861
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 8: hundred and you know, ten page book and maybe that's enough.

862
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 8: I don't need to read a three hundred and fifty

863
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 8: page book about you know, Lebron James or Steph Curry

864
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 8: all the different vinyl messy than the guys you did.

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Speaker 8: You know what was interesting to me about Caitlin Clark

866
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Speaker 8: when I wrote the Caitlin Clark book is Kitlin Clark

867
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Speaker 8: was always pretty much awesome at everything she did. There

868
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Speaker 8: was not it's she was just a great athlete. You know,

869
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Speaker 8: she was a tremendous like youth soccer player, you know,

870
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Speaker 8: they you know, she played you know, all the travel soccer,

871
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 8: the e CNL and all this stuff, and they talked

872
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 8: like could she have been a could she have been

873
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 8: like a national team level player? I mean obviously it's

874
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 8: really hard to say. You get that good. But maybe

875
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 8: like she she played high school soccer, and I know

876
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 8: it's high school soccer, it's not. But she played six

877
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Speaker 8: games as a freshman between her she only played in

878
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 8: six games because she's traveling so much for basketball. She

879
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 8: scored twenty six goals as a freshman in six games.

880
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 8: She was good at every single sport she did. She

881
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 8: was good at just just whatever she was trying to

882
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 8: pull off, she got done. And then I've done a

883
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 8: bunch of these books and it's not always the case.

884
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 8: Like there's usually something like Steph Curry was was really small,

885
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 8: or Serena Williams was like her older sister was better,

886
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 8: or you know whatever. There's usually something they're all rate,

887
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 8: but they're not. There's like some little Alex Morgan the

888
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 8: soccer player got cut from some travel teams when she

889
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 8: was young. Catin Clark was just like, yeah, I'm the

890
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 8: best at whatever I'm doing. I'm the best one at it,

891
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 8: and uh, it's it's pretty amazing. It's a it's a

892
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 8: fun story. She's really was a great, really fun story

893
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 8: to write to do and I think obviously super popular

894
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 8: with the kids.

895
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 9: Dan, thanks so much for spending time with us. This morning.

896
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 7: We appreciate you. We appreciate all you do, and we'll

897
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Speaker 7: talk to you again down the road.

898
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 8: Thank you, appreciate it all.

899
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 7: Right, time to turn into degenerate radio for folks like myself, Mark.

900
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 10: Radio.

901
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 9: Can I include you in that? Yeah? Mark says that's

902
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 9: fine too. Hey, Look, just we like.

903
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 7: To play around with a little bit of cash on

904
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 7: on the weekends college football, NFL, whatever it might be.

905
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 7: And every Thursday we like to turn our attention to

906
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 7: Jason Hammer from across the hall, who's been known to

907
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 7: engage in a little that behavior from time to time.

908
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 1: Right, got the whole podcast titled The Degenerate's Next stor

909
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: that's what we do. Hey, before we rolling, I got

910
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: beef with Kevin Bowen. You're the only person in America

911
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: with beef with this. Is that beef with him?

912
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 9: All week?

913
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 10: He served me Crow, You earned that though I earned nothing.

914
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 10: Mark cut these cameras. I can tell you.

915
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: This is the Festivust episode of Seinfelder.

916
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 13: I got a lot problems with you people, and now

917
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 13: you've gotta hear about it.

918
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: So we are in week four of the NFL season, right,

919
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: and I've been coming on your show. Thank you so

920
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: much for having me for over a year last year.

921
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: We went on an amazing run this year in terms

922
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: of picking the game, the big bet, right, the one

923
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: we kind of hang our hat on. So far this

924
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: year we're two and one. It's a lot better than

925
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: oh and three. But the first thing I hear when

926
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: I walk in here is mister Cincinnati Red, mister Notre

927
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 1: Dame fighting Irish over here, given me crap about we're

928
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 1: not perfect so far this year. Well, I'm sorry, Kevin,

929
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: not all of us could be the Notre Dame football program.

930
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:57,919
Speaker 1: Oh wait, my gosh, job, team hammer Backer. I'm telling

931
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,240
Speaker 1: you an incredibly high standard.

932
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 3: Last year, as you just alluded to, you were you

933
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 3: were Tiger in two thousand, you were, you were incredible.

934
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 3: And this year I feel like with more of our

935
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Speaker 3: individual props, not our team bets, prop betst Tiger.

936
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Speaker 1: Woods in twenty twenty five.

937
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 3: And so I view Week four as a time to

938
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 3: let's kick in the ass, let's get back on the

939
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 3: winning way.

940
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: I want a little shot here on these Thursday shows.

941
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 3: Last year, mark how many times did Hammer come in

942
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 3: here and grace ourselves with some very nice alcohol. So

943
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 3: thank you, thank you for that. I know what you're

944
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 3: in there purely, I'm just trying to coach you. It

945
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 3: is a motivational tactic. I stand corrected. You are right

946
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 3: two and one on the bets.

947
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 1: I'm being compared to post Ela, nord grin Golf upside

948
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: the head, Tiger Woods.

949
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly your back windshields. So let's get into it tonight.

950
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 3: It is another close line. I feel like we've had

951
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 3: a few of these Thursday Night besides last week Cardinals Seahawks,

952
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 3: two teams the cult will see later in the year.

953
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: Your thoughts on Thursday night football money is totally flipped

954
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: on this one. Then the line first opened up. Arizona

955
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: was an early favorite, and then the market hammered the

956
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: Seahawks to the point where they're now a one and

957
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: a half point favorite. Normally, you fade the public, right.

958
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: The public is usually wrong. That's why the house has

959
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: these casinos looking the way they do, and normally the

960
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: home team has a big advantage on Thursday Night. But

961
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna throw all that crap out the window this

962
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 1: week because man, Seattle, I think is just a better team.

963
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: If you're just looking at this objectively, who's got a

964
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: better defense? Seattle who's got better receivers. I believe it's

965
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: Seattle because Marfa Harrison Junior can't figure it out right now,

966
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: all the intangibles. I'd even go quarterback right now. Darnold

967
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: greater than Kyler Murray. He's a wild card. Murray is though,

968
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 1: kind of is. But the Seahawks, for whatever reason, plays

969
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: so well on the road going back to last year.

970
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: They've won seven straight road games. That's hard to do

971
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: in the NFL, right, and they've covered the spread in

972
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: six of their last seven games against the Cardinals. So

973
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna lay the one and a half tonight. I

974
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: just don't like. I don't feel great about the road

975
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: team on a Thursday, But the better team on a

976
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 1: Thursday also usually wins on that short week. So we're

977
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: gonna lay one and a half with Seattle. The Cardinals

978
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 1: have been out gained in every single game they've played

979
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: so far. I don't know if they can keep pace offensively.

980
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 3: That's a lot of good ammo there, Okay with the

981
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 3: road Seahawks. All right, individually, this is where we need

982
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 3: the uptake. This is where I believe in you. I

983
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 3: know it's in you. You are incredible.

984
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: Last year, Hammer how far is that? Williams, you were, Peyton,

985
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: you were everybody.

986
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,720
Speaker 13: I've got Ryder cut pressure on me right now, exactly eighteenth.

987
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: Hold the Ryder Cup is back. What do you got

988
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: for individual stuff tonight?

989
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 8: All right?

990
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: So Kyler Murray, let's talk about the wild card here

991
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: without James Connor in the mix. Where are they're rushing

992
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: yards going to come from? And I'm looking at Kyler Murray.

993
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: The total for him tonight is around twenty seven and

994
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: a half over under rushing yards for Kyler Murray the

995
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: three games this year with James Connor, he's had seven,

996
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: seven and six attempts. We're gonna ride the lightning and

997
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: go over tonight over twenty seven and a half. If

998
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: you feel like the Seahawks may have the lead or

999
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: this is a close game, they're gonna be going forward

1000
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: and fourth down, they're moving the chains, They're gonna have

1001
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: to run the ball eventually. I think a couple broken

1002
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: plays get us free here over twenty seven and a half.

1003
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: And this one there's a segment on our podcast called

1004
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: Let's Get Nuts. Eighty three and a half is the

1005
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: total yards receiving for Jackson Smith and jigbut tonight eighty

1006
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: three and a half is a big number. But in

1007
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: the first three games this year one twenty four, one

1008
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: oh three and ninety six, even if he's off by

1009
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: thirteen yards compare to the worst game that he's played

1010
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: this year. Our toes are still tapping. And plus, when

1011
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold finds a dude that he likes, go back

1012
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: to his time in Minnesota. Look at the numbers Jefferson

1013
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: put up target wise, we're getting thirteen, ten and six

1014
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 1: so far in the games for Seattle. So he's looking

1015
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: for him. He's a deep threat. We're gonna get nuts.

1016
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: We're going over eighty three and a half receiving yards.

1017
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: Jackson Smith Ninjigma. Tonight, let's go.

1018
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 10: There's one of the Seattle players I named earlier for

1019
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 10: your liking, Kevin Bond.

1020
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, okay, I am nodding my head at all

1021
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: of this.

1022
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 7: I got one for you tonight. You tell me what

1023
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 7: you think. Seahawks. As well as they played defensively, they

1024
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 7: are last in the league against tight ends. Trey McBride

1025
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 7: might be right now the best tight end in the

1026
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 7: National Football League. If you want to go safe, you

1027
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 7: could go over seventy at plus one twenty six. But

1028
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 7: if you want to get freaky, let's get nut. If

1029
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 7: you go over one hundred yards for him tonight, that's

1030
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 7: four thirty plus four thirty. I don't even think plus

1031
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 7: money is safe. I'll take plus money all day. Plus

1032
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 7: money's not safe. Plus money is great.

1033
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 3: I think I think he's going over freaking round roundabouts

1034
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 3: and carmels.

1035
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 7: My point is, I think he's going over seventy, and

1036
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 7: that's my safe bet over seventy at one hundred and

1037
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 7: twenty eight.

1038
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 9: I like it.

1039
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 7: He's the way you talked about Marvin Harrison juniors struggling.

1040
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 7: There's a real connection between Murray and McBride and they

1041
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 7: they're going up against a team that has not done

1042
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 7: well against tight ends tonight.

1043
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 9: I'm just saying I'm thinking hard about that one. Thinking hard.

1044
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 9: Am I crazy?

1045
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 8: No?

1046
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 1: Not at all, not at all, speaking of somebody you

1047
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: guys were talking about earlier. Michael Pittman Junior. Right, if

1048
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: you want plus money anytime touchdown this Sunday, Michael Pittman Junior.

1049
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: I found that at plus two ten last night. I

1050
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: like that.

1051
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 9: Yeah, do too.

1052
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 3: I like colts can throw apes injury situation. Rams corners

1053
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 3: are banged up smaller corners we saw. I mean Pittman's

1054
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 3: junior such down honestly last week Sunday, any time physicality,

1055
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 3: which he's great at. Okay, anything collegiately, colts rams, I

1056
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 3: know you just said Pittman, anything else on the weekendslate.

1057
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: It's a great college football weekend. Oh this is the best.

1058
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: I love it.

1059
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 9: Man.

1060
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: A lot of people are Intobama this weekend. I'm not.

1061
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: I think Georgia between the hedges at less than a

1062
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: field goal is where I'm going to hang my hat.

1063
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: I get last year. Really, the line less than a

1064
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,240
Speaker 1: figal two and a half Forgan is to do In't

1065
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 1: take that? Yeah, So I remember last year at one

1066
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: point Georgia was down thirty to seven to Alabama in Tuscaloosa.

1067
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: But by the time they figured it out, Georgia took

1068
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: the lead late in that game. They still lost, but

1069
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: they took the lead with like two and a half

1070
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: minutes to go. They've played since then, but I still

1071
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 1: feel like it's kind of a revenge spot for Kirby

1072
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: and Georgia. You don't find that too often for one

1073
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: of the great red asses in all of college football,

1074
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: Kirby Smart so home game in Georgia style points matter.

1075
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: I will take Georgia less than a field goal at

1076
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 1: home every time.

1077
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 3: I you a touchdown road favorite. Notre Dame also a

1078
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 3: road favorite in the SEC.

1079
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: Any of those. From a local standpoint, I'm looking at

1080
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: the under and that IU Iowa game under after sixty

1081
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: three last week. Market's going to overreact a little bit

1082
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: because I you just put a beat down on Illinois, man,

1083
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: Iowa is a tough place to play. They usually slow

1084
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,479
Speaker 1: things down. I think that game reeks up an under.

1085
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: I think I you wins it. I don't have a

1086
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: good feel on the side, but we'll go under on

1087
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 1: that one. And I do think your Irish get the cover.

1088
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 3: And that's forty seven and a half over under Indiana

1089
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 3: and Iowa again, Indiana seven and a half point face right.

1090
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 7: I'm kind of loving the fact that Kevin Bowen is

1091
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 7: up on all these lines and everything.

1092
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 9: Oh, I'm digging it.

1093
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: He's a low key degenerate next leagame. I there's nothing

1094
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: low key about.

1095
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 9: It, thank you.

1096
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 3: I think some of my venom came out earlier, So

1097
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 3: hammer of public apology to you.

1098
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 13: No apologies where about wins and losses around here? Right now,

1099
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 13: members yell at each other. Put the he was working

1100
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 13: on the clipboard today, Seattle. He's like car, He's got market.

1101
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 3: This is this is the most generation. I'm just not

1102
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 3: as dressed nicely as Carl Seattle, Kyler Murray over twenty

1103
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 3: seven and a half rushing yards and Jackson Smith and

1104
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 3: Jig Bay eighty three and a half the over.

1105
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: On that as well. I think we got winners there.

1106
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: Let's do it price picks, baby, We're gonna win so

1107
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: much money that we'll be able to finish all of

1108
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:33,240
Speaker 1: the construction in downtown Indianapolis on ourselves. God.

1109
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 11: So he's trying to retire there, right there,