1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Live from the Heartland and the crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: So we will see what the House of Representatives does. 4 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 2: We will see if they actually do vote today to 5 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: reopen the government. 6 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 3: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Great to be with you. 7 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 2: I will admit I expected much more pushback on the 8 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: Senate side when it came to passing this legislation, these 9 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 2: three pieces of legislation. I expected to see more from 10 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: rand Paul on a very interesting conversation regarding him, which 11 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 2: I thought was just him being Rampaul. It turns out, 12 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 2: oh no, no, no, no, no, there's a very unique story here, 13 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 2: something that was. 14 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 3: Thrown into this legislation. 15 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: I expected more from the Democratic Party because they're just 16 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 2: so angry and they hate Schumer so much. 17 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 3: I mean, it's not just hate. 18 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 2: It is NonStop, visceral, maddening hate. Yet Tim Kaine, who's 19 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,559 Speaker 2: voted to and the shutdown in the Senate, wants to 20 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: engage some level of defense here. 21 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 4: Do you have confidence in Schumer's leadership? Yes, I do. 22 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 4: I voted for him. He's a good leader. 23 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 5: He delivered historic wins for the United States when he 24 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 5: was majority leader. 25 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 4: Look, it's tough. Being in minority. It's very tough. 26 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 5: And the notion that Chuck Schumer should be able to 27 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 5: control or corral Senate Democrats is sort of laughable wolf. 28 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 4: If you know something about the Senate. 29 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 5: I very much appreciate Chuck's leadership, but I don't need 30 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 5: his permission to do what's right for Virginia, because Virginians 31 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 5: gave me a permission slip when they elected me to 32 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 5: a third term in the Senate last year. 33 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 4: And what I decided was there was no path for. 34 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 5: It on healthcare with the government closed and people were 35 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 5: getting hurt in SNAP and other areas with the government close. 36 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 5: We needed a reopen government, protect federal employees, protect SNAP beneficiaries, 37 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 5: and then this battle about healthcare without the background noise 38 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 5: of shutdown and scaring, the real stakes and the American 39 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 5: public's ability to see who's on. 40 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 4: Their side and who isn't with respect to health care. 41 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 2: So if I could translate Chuck Schumer great leader, I 42 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 2: just don't have to listen to him. That's I mean, 43 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 2: that's just precious right there. Absolutely fantastic Democrats, as I said, 44 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: out of their head angry because this was all a game, 45 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 2: and the game is always predicated on how much can 46 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 2: we destroy the Republican Party, how much can we shame 47 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: the Republican Party, how much can we hurt these people 48 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: because they expect the Republican Party to fold, They expect 49 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: the Republican Party to give up, They expect them to quit, 50 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 2: and they didn't. And that's one of the great great 51 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 2: lessons here that they didn't. 52 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 3: We'll get into it. 53 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 2: So this is going to hopefully end things by Friday 54 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 2: past the House Rules Committee last night they finished up 55 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 2: at one in the morning. Turns out they do know 56 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 2: how to work late. It was a six hour meeting 57 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 2: hearing with this group. Democrats look to force votes on 58 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 2: amendment's dealing with COVID nineteen Obamacare subsidies, which is an 59 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: interesting part of this. We have been talking about the 60 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: subsidies in and of themselves that we knew they were 61 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 2: going to sunset at the end of twenty twenty five, 62 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 2: the subsidies for Obamacare, the Affordable Care Act, only proving 63 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: how unaffordable Obamacare is. We're sunsetting at the end of 64 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. Democrats voted for this in the Inflation 65 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: Reduction Act. How many people knew that the subsidies were 66 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,559 Speaker 2: increased during COVID, and that's what Democrats want to keep going. 67 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 2: No hands none over there, no hands are up. So 68 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 2: it's not just about subsidies. It's about larger scale subsidies 69 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: that Democrats put in place during COVID, because, after all, 70 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: you have to help people. We told them they couldn't 71 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 2: go to work, and now you have to help people. 72 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 2: So you have to give them this and give them 73 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: that and give them the other. Now, I accept the 74 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 2: fact that Republicans have done an absolutely horrific job, an 75 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: absolutely horrific job in dealing with Obamacare. They couldn't get 76 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: Skinny repealed done, and then they have not been able 77 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 2: to engage a conversation of why we need something else, 78 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 2: or rather why this doesn't work. I think President Trump 79 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 2: through this idea of why are we giving them money 80 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: to this group or that group are insured as companies 81 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 2: or hospitals. Why don't we give it directly to the people. Well, 82 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: why do we now send me my own money? You know, 83 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 2: it's like the tariff conversation. President Trump is like, oh, 84 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 2: we're gonna send people two thousand dollars is a dividend. 85 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 3: From all the wonderful tariff money we're taking in, but. 86 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 2: I'd rather not be charged the tariff and then wait 87 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: till you learn who actually gets the tariff dividend. It 88 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 2: could be you, it might not be you. All depends 89 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 2: on what you make. And it seems we have a 90 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 2: very unique idea of what rich is in America. I 91 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: will get to that. But if you're going to discuss 92 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 2: a different way to do things other than Obamacare regarding 93 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 2: getting dollars to Americans to get health insurance, all right, 94 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 2: we're at least discussing Obamacare being out, even though I 95 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 2: don't appreciate the concepts at all about what government should 96 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: be doing. I think we need less government intervention in this, 97 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 2: not more. And the people pushing for government run healthcare, 98 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 2: those people are mad. And when I say mad, I 99 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 2: don't mean angry, I mean crazed. Well, the costs will 100 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: be less, the costs will not be less. The costs 101 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 2: might be less to you, but the costs will be 102 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 2: more to others. And if you think that's okay, that's weird. 103 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: You want to subsidize this group at the expense of 104 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 2: that group, I'm sorry, that's unacceptable. That's an obscenity. Why 105 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 2: would anybody think that that's of value, that that's decent. 106 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 2: They actually think that they are moral people. 107 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 3: They are not. 108 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 2: The Republicans have done a lousy job of this, and 109 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 2: they've done a really lousy job of pushing the idea 110 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 2: that the market has a value. And we've got a 111 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 2: whole group of people on the political right now who 112 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 2: seem to be very opposed to the concept of markets. Man, 113 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: do they need to get slapped around something fierce? Yeah, theoretically, 114 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 2: not talking about getting physical with anybody. Everybody just settled 115 00:07:54,760 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 2: down already. Bombacare doesn't work. Republicans need to now go 116 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 2: forward on this with strategy about hey, this would be 117 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: better for you, This is a better economic value to you. 118 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 2: This is where you save, and this is where you 119 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 2: get something better. 120 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 3: Because sadly, we at least have to accept that we 121 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 3: have introduced him to America. 122 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 2: You do want to talk about the very evil of 123 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 2: Barack Obama's presidency. We've put into the American ethos the 124 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 2: idea that government is supposed to provide these things. This 125 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 2: was the worst part of it. This was the worst 126 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 2: part about bailoutis bailouts. If we go back to George 127 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 2: Bush and Barack Obama said to America, if anything goes wrong, don't. 128 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 3: Worry, We'll take care of it. 129 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 2: And we introduced the idea of too big to fail, 130 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 2: full nonsense. AIG wasn't too big to fail, Leavin Brothers, 131 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 2: bear Stearns, they weren't too big to fail. Intel is 132 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: not too big to fail. If you can't do it, 133 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 2: you can't do it. And the idea that someone won't 134 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 2: take the place there isn't an opportunity for a better operator. 135 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: Dismiss this out of hand. It's just nutty nutty. But 136 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 2: let's go one thing at a time. Here, here we 137 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 2: are taking a look at the House of voting to 138 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 2: end this shutdown. I for one, am very pleased. I 139 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 2: want to see it end. And I like the fact 140 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 2: that the Democrats are this angry. I like the fact 141 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 2: that they're upset. I want to see what they do 142 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 2: with this, because what they could do with this gets 143 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:55,239 Speaker 2: far more ridiculous than anything you've ever imagined, because losing 144 00:09:55,720 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: is not what they are used to, and publicans being united. 145 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 3: It's really not what they are used to. So we're 146 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 3: gonna see if they get to the call. 147 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: There. 148 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 2: We've got the White House briefing today and we're supposed 149 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 2: to JD. 150 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 3: Van's is gonna be talking about MA and. 151 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 2: Thank goodness, because this is something that connects and works 152 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 2: and it is a pretty important piece heading into the midterms. 153 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: And if President Trump wants to talk about lowering costs, 154 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 2: this is one of the ways to do it. Even 155 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 2: though I may not be okay with the idea that 156 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: government is using some level of force and tell health 157 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 2: insurance companies to do x Y and Z or drug 158 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 2: manufacturers to do X Y and Z. 159 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 3: What people are gonna say is the fact shot costs less. 160 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: Wooo. 161 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 2: That's what they're gonna say. And I'm assuming they're gonna 162 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 2: go wooo. I believe that's what's going to be said. 163 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: So I've got all that coming up, and if we 164 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 2: start hearing and seeing a vote in the House, I 165 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: will bring it to you. 166 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 3: Keep it here. I'm Tony Katz, and this is Tony 167 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 3: Katz today.