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Speaker 1: Line from the Heart Bland and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 1: It's Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 2: I'll be shedding no tears for Tucker Carlson. He has

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Speaker 2: done this to himself. And when I see him out

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Speaker 2: there saying to Megan Kelly, everybody's after me. I don't

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Speaker 2: know why they're after me. It's just I'm just I'm

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Speaker 2: speaking honestly.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know. How dare anybody make the.

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Speaker 2: Claim that somebody disagreeing is simply unacceptable? How dare anybody

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Speaker 2: claim that some when noticing a serious change in someone's

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Speaker 2: point of view, isn't worth noting. And how there's someone

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Speaker 2: who has worked so hard to build such an audience

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Speaker 2: think that somehow people aren't going to listen Tony Katz,

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz today, I forgot if I said hello. I

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Speaker 2: forget sometimes, but it's good to be with you.

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Speaker 3: I bring this up.

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Speaker 2: Because there has been a serious number of clear contradictions

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Speaker 2: that Tucker has engaged.

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Speaker 3: In over and over and over again.

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Speaker 2: And all this has to do with Israel, and some

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Speaker 2: people wonder, you know, is he broke in?

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Speaker 3: Is he bought and paid for you know? Is he

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Speaker 3: paid for it?

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Speaker 2: By guitar I have absolutely no idea, and I continue

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: All I know is is that him and Megan Kelly.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what their plan is. And I will

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Speaker 2: admit that with Megan Kelly, I've never met. I never

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Speaker 2: figured out how she got the second chance. I still

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Speaker 2: don't get it. There she is on Fox and she

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Speaker 2: host of the debate, the moderator proper word with Trump

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Speaker 2: in that first term, and she's a mess. She was argumentative,

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Speaker 2: it was ugly, and it was unforgivable. You cannot make

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Speaker 2: yourself the center of the conversation in a debate.

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Speaker 3: As the moderator. You can't do it. And then she

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Speaker 2: She went to NBC and that show was an unmitigated disaster.

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Speaker 2: And while I think that the reasons that she got

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Speaker 2: doing things over there that she would now tell you're

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Speaker 2: the worst things in the world, Like the most famous

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Speaker 2: You can't. It's just it's it's not okay. Uh, there's

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Speaker 2: no there's no place for this, you know. It's like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know if you've seen this

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Speaker 2: where the candidate, the Democratic candidate for Senate in Texas,

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Speaker 2: his name is uh Tall Rico, James Tall Rica.

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Speaker 3: And he is.

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Speaker 2: Asked on some podcast, I don't even know the name

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Speaker 2: of the podcast. He's asked on a podcast, what do

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Speaker 2: you love? You know, outside of of of your family

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Speaker 2: and and and uh and your uh and your friends,

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Speaker 2: what do you love? And he says, well, because they

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Speaker 2: were here yesterday trans children?

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Speaker 3: Sure what who who talks like that?

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Speaker 2: Who in the world would say such a thing? Because

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Speaker 2: they're standing up for themselves. So you're saying you're proactively

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Speaker 2: in favor of child abuse, Because if you allow a

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Speaker 2: via chemical castration, that's not love, that's that is nuts.

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Speaker 1: But the.

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Speaker 2: Megan Kelly and Tuck and what we referred to as

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Speaker 2: this woke right and this anti Israel agenda madness.

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Speaker 3: I cannot tell you if they're paid or not paid.

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Speaker 3: What I can tell you.

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Speaker 2: Is that it is absolutely unacceptable and I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to pay attention to Tucker Carlson.

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Speaker 3: Tell me I can't notice.

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Speaker 2: This level of I guess we would call it hypocrisy,

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Speaker 2: but how about just insanity.

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Speaker 4: I think US aid military aid to Israel and the

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Speaker 4: implied security guarantees, some explicit but many implied security guarantees

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Speaker 4: of the United States to Israel probably haven't helped Israel

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Speaker 4: that much long term. You know, it's a rich country

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Speaker 3: Americans supporting Israel because it's an ally. I don't even

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Speaker 3: they both know what that means. To be that guitar.

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Speaker 4: It's like one of our closest allies in the world.

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Speaker 3: They're a close ally of ours.

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Speaker 4: Let me get to the nub of the question. Since again,

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Speaker 4: We have a huge country. This is the country that

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Speaker 4: Israel and the infrastructure we're flying in, and I said

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Speaker 5: I remember when it didn't look like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, first time I came in fifty three years ago.

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Speaker 4: The Israel, which is one of the single ugliest countries

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Speaker 4: And it's true. We're only a minute in a minute twenty.

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Speaker 4: How dare you say I shouldn't notice. It's you crazy.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's noticing. Everyone is noticing that you've lost your mind? Tucker,

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Speaker 3: By the way, it seems more like a political organization.

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Speaker 1: amass is more like a political organization than a terror group.

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Speaker 5: I didn't say that an attack on Western civilization looks

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Speaker 5: like this. It's tribalism, it's identity politics, it's DEI, it's whatever.

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Speaker 4: It's Zionism, it's it's any belief system that begins with the.

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Speaker 5: Understanding that one group is morally superior to other group,

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Speaker 4: On principle, like every other group in the world, has

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Speaker 4: the right to its own homeland except white people.

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Speaker 5: Like what, we don't think in terms of groups, as

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Speaker 5: It's literally that simple.

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Speaker 4: But as long as some groups have a right to

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Speaker 3: It's that simple.

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Speaker 2: How dare you think we shouldn't notice? I mean we're

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Speaker 2: gonna notice. By the way, that was compiled by the

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Speaker 2: Milk Bar TV on Twitter. Actually can follow them there.

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Speaker 2: I don't know them personally. I don't even think I

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Speaker 2: do follow them, but that's who compiled that. We notice, Tucker,

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Speaker 2: that you, in just the past few months have engaged

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Speaker 2: that forty five percent of young Americans think that Jews

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Speaker 3: We cannot deny when people have influence. You cannot deny

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Speaker 3: when people are able to move a message.

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Speaker 2: What is the message being moved? What I would do

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Speaker 2: Again, I don't know anything about I don't know anything

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Speaker 3: But the video doesn't lie.

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Speaker 2: This is Tucker in his own words, these things have

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Speaker 2: to be shared. Why would you follow that this guy?

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying someone can't change their mind. This isn't

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Speaker 2: changing their minds. This is flat out lying. In some cases,

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Speaker 3: And that is not having a philosophical core. That is

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Speaker 2: Idea or if you will, an ideology, that is engaging

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Speaker 2: in populism, and what serves me. Now, that's what the

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Speaker 2: left does. For the left is progressive. What they said

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Speaker 2: and what they say today will mean absolutely nothing to

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Speaker 2: have to ask ourselves what kind of damage is being

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Speaker 2: done by Tucker? Not because he believes something, but because,

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Speaker 3: That's the problem.

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Speaker 2: If he believed in something, he wanted to defend it

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Speaker 2: with a level of consistency, well that would be one thing.

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Speaker 2: Then we could debate that issue. What am I supposed

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Speaker 2: Why would anybody look to him as having value?

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Speaker 3: And I say this knowing that there are a great

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Speaker 2: He was engaging in conversations nobody else was talking about,

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Speaker 2: and so we are perfectly clear he was starting news cycles.

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Speaker 3: That's rare. That is a rare, rare ability. That is

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Speaker 2: To whatever it is you just heard that nonsense, that problem,

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Speaker 3: Are after me.

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Speaker 2: No one's after you, but we are noticing. And if

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Speaker 2: So now the question is what is it we can

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Speaker 2: the Tucker of then, the Tucker of now of a

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Speaker 2: why the hell would you listen to him? He's so

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Speaker 2: not consistent. You want consistency in an idea, in a philosophy.

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Speaker 2: Now you may go pay you know, I want to

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Speaker 2: have to say. But you engage with the thing that

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Speaker 2: is more consistent with the value. What is the value system?

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Speaker 2: He's putting forth here. You know, I shared earlier where

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Speaker 2: he said to Senator Ted Cruz back in.

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Speaker 3: That interview about six months ago. Maybe it was a

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Speaker 2: If we had proof that there were people out there

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Speaker 2: trying to murder the president, we.

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Speaker 3: Should go after them.

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Speaker 2: And then you have the story about this past Kistani

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Speaker 2: national who had ties to Iran found guilty applotting to

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Speaker 2: assassinate politicians and officials and including President Trump. In twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four, we have the reporting from ABC that discusses

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Speaker 2: the fact that.

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Speaker 3: There may be sleeper cells.

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Speaker 2: Being activated right here in the United States. That's the

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Speaker 2: reporting Iran may be activating sleeper cells outside the country.

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Speaker 2: The encrypted transmission was intercepted by the US.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is what's happening.

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Speaker 2: And Tucker said to Ted Cruz, if they were coming

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Speaker 2: after President Trump, we should bomb them.

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Speaker 3: Well, we know this to be true. So what is

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Speaker 3: your plan? What's your plan? Is it to bomb them?

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Speaker 2: Because that's what we're doing and you are opposed to it.

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Speaker 2: Why you said it was the thing to do and

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Speaker 2: now you're opposed to it, Tucker, Why? But really, you're

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Speaker 2: not going to get a chance to ask Tucker that question.

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Speaker 2: So the people to ask that question are the people

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Speaker 2: in your lives who are quoting him. Kids, grandkids, friends, brothers, sisters, uncles.

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Speaker 3: Why where's the core here?

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Speaker 2: Where is the ideological thread, the through line that shows

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Speaker 2: his position and the thoughts behind it? And the answer

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Speaker 2: is it's nowhere. It's nowhere? Is he bought and paid for?

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Speaker 2: I have absolutely no idea as he lost his mind.

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Speaker 2: I have absolutely no idea. I'm not about to guess,

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Speaker 2: and i am not about to impugne. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: listen to what he says and say out loud. He

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Speaker 2: isn't saying anything that makes sense at all. He is

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Speaker 2: not consistent, It is not complete. It is not a

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Speaker 2: thought that I would ever put into my mind and

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Speaker 2: say now that has a value, And I don't think

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Speaker 2: you would either.

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Speaker 3: So why are you still paying attention to him?

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Speaker 2: He's shown you he doesn't want your attention and doesn't

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Speaker 2: deserve your attention. No, no, he wants it, he just

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Speaker 2: doesn't deserve it. You might want to go over that

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Speaker 2: with the ones you love. I'm Tony Katz. This is

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz today.