1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: I'm on all alone in the desert. 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 2: I'm on a be like Georgia Louise. 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: People in the western part of our state are up 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: in arms. 5 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, what's this all about, Robin? This is fascinating. 6 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: This is why did you know where the number one 7 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: rated radio program in all of since And this is 8 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: why because we're not only going to entertain you, were 9 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 1: going to educate you about something you need to know 10 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: about because it could be coming to a community near you. 11 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: It's the new wild and wacky world, the new frontier 12 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: of carbon sequestration. 13 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 2: I have no idea what that is, and nor do most. 14 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: Of the people unless you live in the western part 15 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: of the state, because it now appears to be coming 16 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: to them. 17 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 2: And luckily we got a guy. 18 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: We got a guy, and he's actually kind of known 19 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: on this program. 20 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: He's a character. 21 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: He's the most beautiful man on all of Tarahote Television. 22 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: You've heard him mention me mentioned him before. His name 23 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: is Ben Verbannik. He works for w t HI Television 24 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: in Terre Haute. And the people in the Greater terre 25 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: Haute area are beside themselves because of this carbon sequestration issue. 26 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: It's actually a really big deal. We'll tell you all 27 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: about all about it. Ben Verbanic, Hello, Hey. 28 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 3: Rob, Hey KC. Thanks for having me on. 29 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 2: Guys, Yeah, no problem. 30 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: So tell you so you did a big expensa on this. 31 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: People in the western part of the state are totally 32 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: up in arms. First of all, tell us what carbon 33 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: sequestration is. 34 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 3: So, carbon seaquestration is kind of this new age way 35 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 3: of dealing with greenhouse gas emissions. Essentially, the carbon that 36 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 3: is runs off during you know, industrial processes. Companies who 37 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 3: want to participate in carbon seaquestration will pump it and 38 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 3: force it below the ground to store it. That way, 39 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 3: it's not released in the atmosphere and it's kind of 40 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 3: stored in these big rock formations. They're called pores. You 41 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 3: could think of them as like caves essentially, and they're 42 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 3: you know, deep below the surface of the ground. 43 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, stop there, because the people this is 44 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: going on, and you obviously covered terra hote western part 45 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,639 Speaker 1: of the state, but the people out there are upset 46 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 1: because they are saying, we don't know what the ramifications 47 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: to the environment that we live in are going to be. 48 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 2: Correct. 49 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, So the big issue with the Concerned citizen group 50 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 3: that I've been following a little bit here and this 51 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 3: this is an area that involves parts of Ego and 52 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 3: Vermilion Counties, which is gonna be the area, like you mentioned, 53 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 3: that would be impacted by these sequestration sites. They're concerns 54 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 3: that you know, pumping like the CO two below the 55 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 3: ground could potentially, you know, disrupt their local environment. It 56 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 3: could disrupt it can create size inic activity things like 57 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 3: this that their concerned would lead to a you know, 58 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 3: potential explosion or you know CO two leaking into their 59 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 3: awkwarifers and things like that. And they're big concern that 60 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 3: they've expressed to me, and they've been very mobilized and 61 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 3: they've been very diligent about, you know, getting their thoughts out. There. 62 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 3: Is there concern about this topic called imminent domain, which 63 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 3: is essentially when the state can allow a private company 64 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 3: to utilize essentially your land for the purposes of the company. 65 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 3: And in this in this case, it's carbon sequestration. 66 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so so wait wait, wait just a second, 67 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: let me introduce you again and reset this for people 68 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: are like, what is going on? This is actually a 69 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: really important topic. Ben Verbanic is our guest. He is, 70 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: uh what are you now? Are you the head honcho 71 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: at w t HI? 72 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 2: What are you You're I'm just a reporter for now. 73 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: You know him Casey because we've referenced him, been to 74 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: the dismay of many, has decided to be a close 75 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: personal friend with me. He's the most beautiful man in 76 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: all of teio Hoe Television. I've been following this story. 77 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: It relates to carbon sequestration, and Ben is getting to 78 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: the heart of the matter, which is these companies who 79 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: are now trying to utilize underground resources to store this 80 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: stuff and the people out pumping dump. Yeah, pumping, thank you. 81 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: That's a great way to describe it. And Ben now 82 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: tell us about this because this is what the people 83 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: are up in arms about that the government has given 84 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: these companies potentially the ability or the government can seize 85 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: land in order to make this possible. And the citizens 86 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: in the western part of the state are very upset 87 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: about this. 88 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. And so basically, again, none of these projects here 89 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 3: in the state, or at least the one specifically in 90 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 3: West central Indiana, has not been greenlit all the way yet. 91 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 3: They're still going through a permitting process. But assuming they 92 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 3: get all the way through that process, the term imminent 93 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 3: domain would come into play, and essentially, yet the private 94 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 3: company involved in this process would have essentially the green 95 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 3: light from the state to begin constructing first constructing the 96 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 3: CO two pipelines, which we'll use to push high pressure 97 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 3: CO two because you need a lot of pressure to 98 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 3: force that chemical deep below the ground, pump it deep 99 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 3: into the ground and where it will essentially sit forever. 100 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 4: And yeah, go ahead, Ben, I was just going to 101 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 4: ask you, did you reach out to any state officials 102 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 4: or DNR representatives for their response to any of this. 103 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 3: Oh, yes, absolutely, and the dn R. So the dn 104 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 3: R kind of played a role in this recently where. 105 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: The target of natural resources for people, WO don't know 106 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 2: what that means. 107 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 3: Yes, the DNR facilitated some rules recently that sort of 108 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 3: set the groundwork for you know, some of the basic 109 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 3: safety precautions, UH, monitoring timelines, things like that. So I've 110 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 3: reached out to the DNR about that. They've kind of 111 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 3: been a little close up. The issue with this is 112 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 3: a lot of the people involved, whether that's the private companies, 113 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 3: whether that's the state, they've been a little tight lift 114 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 3: about this. That's not to say they're hiding anything necessarily, 115 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 3: but it is hard to sort of wrap your head 116 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 3: around exactly what's going on and where things stand in 117 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 3: the in the overall process. 118 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: Ben Verbannik is our guest. 119 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,679 Speaker 1: He's with WTHI Television in Tara HOAt and we're talking 120 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: about this carbon sequestration issue. Okay, So Wabasher Valley Resources 121 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: is the company that that is attempting to do this. 122 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 2: What's the benefit to society over this? 123 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,799 Speaker 1: If I'm living out there, I'm totally with these people 124 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: and being completely pissed off because who knows what the 125 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: long term ramifications of this are going to be. Even 126 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: if it's ten years, fifteen years, twenty years from now, 127 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: what's the proposed benefit? How are they spinning this to 128 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: the people out there? 129 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 3: So while Bash Valley Resources is a I would say 130 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 3: they're a local company, but they're they're based in tera 131 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 3: Hote and Vermilion County right in that area, and it's 132 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 3: it's the goal of the project is to create basically fertilizer, 133 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 3: low cost fertilizer, and by creating ammonia and then using that, 134 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 3: you know the co two run off and bagically just 135 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 3: seequestering it. So the goal and what they pitch is 136 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 3: that they're going to be creating low cost fertilizer for 137 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 3: farmers in the area. They're to use this this process. 138 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 2: But they're not running a soup kitchen. They're making money 139 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 2: off this, right. 140 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, and I mean there's there's several state incentive 141 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 3: as well, such as tax credits and things like that. 142 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 4: Have they responded. Has Wabash Valley Resources responded since the 143 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 4: article was published? 144 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 3: Uh so, I've worked with Wabat. I've been covering this 145 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 3: for a couple of years now. While Bash Valley Resources 146 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 3: has always been cooperative with the media, I mean they've 147 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 3: they've done a good job talking with me. I have 148 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 3: a relationship where I speak with Greg Zeller, who you 149 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 3: guys may or may not know, used to be in 150 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 3: the state House here. He's kind of like, I don't 151 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 3: know his exact title in Wabash Value Resources, but he's 152 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 3: always the guy I kind of end up talking to 153 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 3: about stuff. And yeah, I mean they've been They've been 154 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 3: pretty forthcoming with whatever I want to know. But since 155 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 3: you know, as things are ramping up here the DNR's 156 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 3: passed rules and stuff like that, they haven't commented as much. 157 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 3: I think because they're you know, it's getting a little 158 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 3: closer to happening. 159 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 4: They have they put any specific safety protocols or any 160 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 4: new like what are the new rules? 161 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 3: Well, so that's where it gets a little murky. It's 162 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 3: there's safety protocols in terms of how long they can 163 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 3: monitor these sites. I want to say it's like twenty 164 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 3: or thirty years, something like that. And this is where 165 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 3: of the concerned citizens their concerns kind of you know, 166 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 3: become important because they're a little they're worried that, you know, 167 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 3: if what happens when you stop monitoring it, you know, 168 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 3: twenty years from now, if you stop monitoring it and 169 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 3: the problem is at forty and you have a CO 170 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 3: two explosion at forty years, that's where their concerns come in. 171 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 3: And a CO two explosion if this thing were to 172 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 3: blow up, which I'm not saying it will, I mean 173 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 3: it has happened in other places around the country, it 174 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 3: would essentially release a CO two cloud into the air, 175 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 3: which wouldn't be a fiery cloud, but it would be 176 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 3: a white you know, it would fill the air and 177 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 3: essentially you could have sixty. 178 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: Eight Okay, third, we got a thirty seconds left. Who 179 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: can stop this now? Who are these people that are 180 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 1: fighting this, who are they looking to? What are the 181 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: impediments that remain. 182 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 3: So again, so this is kind of a confusing process. 183 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 3: But as far as I know, the for the rules 184 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 3: portion of it, the safety rules portion of it that 185 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 3: the DNR signed off on, I leave those heads to 186 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 3: Todd Rokeita and then to the Governor Braun's desk. So 187 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 3: after that those rules are in place, and I'm assuming 188 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 3: the next step of the process, whatever that is, will begin. 189 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: Oh those poor people, their last hopes are Braun and Roqueeda. Jeez, 190 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: he is the most beautiful man in all of terror 191 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: hate television. You should actually just drive over to Tera 192 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: Haute and find a restaurant so you can watch him 193 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 1: on the news. 194 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 2: He's that good at reporting. Ben Verbannick, thank you. 195 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 3: Thanks ro Thanks Casey. 196 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,479 Speaker 2: It is Kennelly Casey. It's ninety three WIBC.