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Speaker 1: on ninety three five and one oh seven five the

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Speaker 1: Fan James Boy with the seven o'clock James boyd move.

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Speaker 1: I like it.

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Speaker 2: I guess you say what can make me feel that way?

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Speaker 1: I was going to join you right there a little harmony.

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Speaker 3: Oh sorry, dropped out. Okay, you know, shout out to

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Speaker 3: the Temptations.

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Speaker 4: Hey copyright feez you guys keep going. No, they won't

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Speaker 4: claim that James had some great notes there at seven

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Speaker 4: thirty three in the morning.

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Speaker 3: We're more likely, but hey, that has some good music.

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Speaker 1: James and I keep singing to people are gonna likely

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Speaker 1: hit us with a cease and desist more than anything.

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Speaker 4: And I almost had an exit stage right there.

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Speaker 1: Uh, but no, we are. We're all optimistic because everybody

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Speaker 1: is zero and zero in the NFL. Of course, Indian

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Speaker 1: and Purdue have both won a game. We'll leave it

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Speaker 1: at that right now, KB, But we got the Colts

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Speaker 1: getting ready for Week one against the Miami Dolphins. Obviously

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Speaker 1: a lot of things different from the last time the

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Speaker 1: two teams played. But we've been talking about this kind

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Speaker 1: of ad nauseum. But I'll bring it up again for

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Speaker 1: those just showing us this morning, those first three games.

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Speaker 1: I can't underscore the importance of this schedule for those colts. Again,

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Speaker 1: with Miami and Denver out of the game, the two

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Speaker 1: teams that you were battling nailed to nail with for

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Speaker 1: the final playoff spot in the AFC last year. You

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Speaker 1: get them right out of the gate, and you got

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Speaker 1: to make something happen. And then you go into You're

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Speaker 1: only playing Tennessee twice in the first I think eight weeks,

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Speaker 1: and then you play everybody else in the division in

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Speaker 1: the last six or seven. They got to get out

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Speaker 1: to this decent start here. It's going to be a

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Speaker 1: long season.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I remember the night the schedule came

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Speaker 4: out back in May. I came in here the next morning.

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Speaker 4: I felt a little foolish to distress it, but I

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Speaker 4: was like, you know, weeks one and two, Miami and Denver.

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Speaker 4: It might be foolish to say the word like playoff

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Speaker 4: implications on September third, but on December third or January third,

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Speaker 4: it could very well look like that. And so yes,

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Speaker 4: I would agree. I think outside of Houston, the two matchups,

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Speaker 4: which are both late in the year, I think these

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Speaker 4: are the two biggest games on the schedule, and largely

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Speaker 4: the Cult schedule in twenty twenty five is backloaded, which

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Speaker 4: I get that you have a new starting quarterback and

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Speaker 4: these games early because I think the schedule carries much

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Speaker 4: more challenging whether it's road trips, whether it's just games

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Speaker 4: in general. Late in the year. You know, it's at

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Speaker 4: Kansas City, it's at Seattle. You know, both those Houston

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Speaker 4: games are late in the year. We'll see what San

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Speaker 4: Francisco is come late December. But right now, you look

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Speaker 4: at the schedule, guys, I mean, the Cults are probably

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Speaker 4: gonna be favored and what for their first six which

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Speaker 4: is kind of wild to say, but if you look

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Speaker 4: at that schedule, there are some very very on paper

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Speaker 1: James Boyd we Kevin brought this up just a minute ago.

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Speaker 1: One of the things you do going into the first

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Speaker 1: ten days something like that, final roster cuts, and then

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Speaker 1: they turn into waiver wire pickups and other guys get released.

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Speaker 1: And now we come to a head where we actually

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Speaker 1: And any surprises for you as the Colts have their

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Speaker 3: No surprises.

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Speaker 2: I guess my biggest question mark outside of quarterback obviously

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Speaker 2: task for a guy who has not played football since

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Speaker 2: think that he can play, but I got to see it.

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Speaker 2: I am probably a pessimist of the highest order. When

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Speaker 2: If you can play, you play. So I am curious

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Speaker 4: We James, I would add too, not only did he

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Speaker 4: as a thirty two year old cornerback, which those just

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Speaker 4: just simple go route, and I would think Mike McDaniel

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Speaker 4: out to me as a big Week one story line.

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Speaker 4: You know, how do your corners hold up against? You know,

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Speaker 4: as lou Anroumo described the Miami offense yesterday, he could

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Speaker 4: Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddell. So, I mean, they can

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Speaker 4: it last year, but again Toole was not operating under center,

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Speaker 4: So you know, that's really I think are a lot

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Speaker 4: of areas the Colts have advantages in this matchup, but

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Speaker 4: that is one that I have some concern. Can your

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Speaker 4: has guys that you better not get lulled asleep on

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Speaker 4: because if you do, you know, six can turn into

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we've seen many a game where Jalen Wattle

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Speaker 1: sometimes get overly concerned about Tyreek Hill and then another

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Speaker 1: better not let James Boyd Devon Eitchen get the corner

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean a lot of it will have to do

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Speaker 2: you don't let those you know, little plays are into

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Speaker 2: huge plays, but that's kind of what the Dolphins have

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Speaker 2: I'm just excited to see something that matters, something that counts,

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Speaker 2: and so we can get away from you know, what

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Speaker 2: I'm also shout out to Alex Lover in our YouTube chat,

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Speaker 2: he was telling me he was not confusing the temptations

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Speaker 2: with me. I just like David Ruffane, you all anybody

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Speaker 4: So I thought you met the moment quite well.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's always a hater out there, but you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean I'm doing something right. But again to the Colts,

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Speaker 2: in all seriousness, I do think they have everything sort

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Speaker 2: You know, the Dolphins are banged up. You know they're

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Speaker 2: I believe, a better defense. It might be revamped, it

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Speaker 2: worse than what you had. And then offensively, the belief

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Speaker 2: should be able to, you know, sustain enough offense to

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Speaker 1: Is Miami a team defensively that the Colts can play

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Speaker 1: ball control against? Can they just run the ball? I

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Speaker 1: don't know, thirty five times, keep the ball away from

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Speaker 3: Just wear them down?

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Speaker 1: Is that Is that something that the Colts could do here?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Miami's round even I think a little better than

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Speaker 4: what people would think. And they remember they did Kenneth Grant,

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Speaker 4: the Merrillville product, just be Kenneth Grant. Yeah, just before

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Speaker 4: And I don't know if the Colts fans would have

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Speaker 4: so again they have some of these names. It's like,

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Speaker 4: how you know the cults are going to largely be

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Speaker 4: built on managing it, on you know, living in more

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Speaker 4: of a methodical nature. I think this Colts offense is

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Speaker 4: going to have to be more of the ten play

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Speaker 4: you know, hey, we're gonna sprinkle in some big plays here.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna have to be more of a methodical moving

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Speaker 3: Was Week one last year.

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Speaker 2: Was that the game that Anthony had the three completions

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Speaker 2: of at least fifty yards. I remember that correctly, Kevin,

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Speaker 2: because yeah, yeah, the moon shot to Alec Pierce.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Doolan had a big one, right, Yeah, that was one.

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Speaker 3: Of the best roles, probably the best ro I've ever

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Speaker 1: We were all in on Anthony Richards at the end

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Speaker 1: of that game, weren't we for the most part.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, or at least the experience, because the

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Speaker 2: completion percent is wasn't there, but you had the huge,

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Speaker 3: Field flipping plays.

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Speaker 2: Whereas what Kevin points out I think is more realistic

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Speaker 2: I just told him, Hey, everyone could lose their jobs

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Speaker 3: How what does it all mean? So check that piece out.

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Speaker 1: I just think it's gonna be fascinating if and when.

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Speaker 1: Graham from abe On texting at two three ninety ten

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Speaker 1: seventy says, I'm gonna be honest, I truly think Shane

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Speaker 1: made his decision on the quarterback one the moment Ar

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Speaker 1: took that shot in Baltimore, and that might have been

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Speaker 1: if if he was on the fence, that might have

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Speaker 1: been it. Right there, mister Simon getting hurt, same old,

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Speaker 1: same old, right.

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Speaker 2: That certainly didn't help his case. I don't think he

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Speaker 2: made that decision solely off of that. But when you're

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Speaker 2: neck and neck in a position battle, which I perceived

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Speaker 2: it to be, then yeah, that's certainly a big mark

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Speaker 2: against you. Because we were just thinking, here we go again.

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Speaker 2: And by most accounts, and a lot of these people

448
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Speaker 2: were NFL quarterbacks, one of them being Kurt Warner. They're saying,

449
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Speaker 2: this is basic stuff. You gotta know this stuff, and

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Speaker 2: to missing assignment like that, especially on that stage it's

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Speaker 2: your you know, preseason opener, first time we've seen you

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Speaker 2: play live football in months, and you go out like

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Speaker 2: that tough scene.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Georgia.

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Speaker 4: So, by the way, going back to Graham's point, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I do think that Ravens play was the finally on

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Speaker 4: the coffin, I mean, the preseason as elementary as they

458
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Speaker 4: come for these teams, and they're running basic insaust stuff,

459
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Speaker 4: and when you screw that up, it's just one more hammer,

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Speaker 4: you know what, one more hammer.

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Speaker 2: To add to that thought, Kevin, I think sometimes, I

462
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Speaker 2: think I've said this before on the air, ar can

463
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Speaker 2: come off a bit too nonchalant, like even after that game,

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Speaker 2: I got to be on my p's and q's. You know,

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Speaker 2: it is what it is, kind of like mentality.

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Speaker 3: You probably need to own it more.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that he didn't do something to

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Speaker 2: own up to it or didn't you know, acknowledge fact

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Speaker 2: that he messed up, but I would think you probably

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Speaker 2: want to sound just a bit more urgent or serious

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Speaker 2: about it. And I think from his mind a lot

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Speaker 2: of had you with the injury. It's like, oh, I

473
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Speaker 2: want to downplay the injury stuff because I don't want

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Speaker 2: this thing to kind of follow me around. But man,

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Speaker 2: his reaction to it, I thought, was just like, Wow,

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Speaker 2: that's what you think. It was, just like p's and q's.

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Speaker 2: What else do you think about perhaps of the biggest

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Speaker 2: plays of your preseason ending in that fashion?

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Speaker 4: So I would agree. I think it's at times a

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Speaker 4: little bit too lackadaisical.

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Speaker 2: You might want to even if it's just performative. I'm like, dude,

482
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Speaker 2: just get up there and say, you know, I have

483
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Speaker 2: to do this better. I gotta do this. This was unacceptable.

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Speaker 2: But it's kind of just like, ah, well.

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Speaker 4: Well I've always felt that way about the TapouT. Going

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Speaker 4: to the podium. After the tap out, you need to

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Speaker 4: come up there and be like, yeah, I felt my

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Speaker 4: oblique again, and you know what, and I need like

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Speaker 4: and again, yes, find us, and yes it would be

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Speaker 4: a performive act. But you'll say I was tired because

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Speaker 4: right now there is a large I don't know about large,

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Speaker 4: but there's defuly a chunk of the fan base, people

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Speaker 4: for that organization, people around the NFL that as soon

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Speaker 4: as they saw the tap out, they were done with them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and just to I know, we got to get

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Speaker 2: to break real quick. When we asked Anthony about the

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Speaker 2: tap out, that was after Shane had already said he'd

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Speaker 2: been tired. So just to give you some context there,

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Speaker 2: when we were in the press confers room after that

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Speaker 2: game in Houston, Shane comes out first and he said, oh,

501
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Speaker 2: he just needed one, and then we ask ar and

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Speaker 2: then he confirmed that he was tired. So people say, oh,

503
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Speaker 2: he should have just said he wasn't tired. Is that

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Speaker 2: a moment where your coach should have had your back?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Like you know what I mean. It's

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Speaker 3: a little more layer than that, but ultimately you just

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Speaker 3: can't do that as a player.

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Speaker 4: One thing I want to get to after Stephen Holder

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Speaker 4: joins us, and that piece you mentioned, James from Zach

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Speaker 4: Keith for Crisp bound out a quote in there about

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Speaker 4: it's easier to find a quarterback when you have one.

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Speaker 4: I thought that was a really interesting quote from the

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Speaker 4: Colts GM. I want to get a little bit deeper

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Speaker 4: into that. After Stephen Holder joins us.

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Speaker 1: Well, Stephen Holder is up next and we'll speak with him,

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Speaker 1: and you can listen in at two three, nine, ten

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Speaker 1: to seventy on the text line and just check it

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Speaker 1: all out for yourself, get your reactions. Then let us

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Speaker 1: know what you think you hear and what you believe

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Speaker 1: the Colts will be doing in Week one against the

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Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins. It comes up next at ninety three five

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Speaker 1: and one oh seven five of the.

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Speaker 4: Fame Alright eight o'clock on a Wednesday. It is the

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Speaker 4: first I guess official NFL Wednesday of the air get

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Speaker 4: injury report coming up later today. Colts will practice again

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Speaker 4: that normal cadence Wednesday, three Thursday Friday. Shane Steichen will

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Speaker 4: meet the media coming up later today to talk more

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Speaker 4: about all of this. And I guess I should start

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Speaker 4: with a heartfelt even though I don't mean it at all,

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Speaker 4: but hopefully he thinks I mean it. Steven Holder, congrats

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Speaker 4: to Miami Hurricanes.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I don't know how to take that,

533
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Speaker 5: but sort of half assed compliment, but I'll take it.

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Speaker 5: I'll take it because I like it. Listen that that

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Speaker 5: was a good start. I was nervous, so I'll take it.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 4: Carson Beck made a couple of plays that I'm thinking myself,

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Speaker 4: Oh boy, Miami might might have a little something of that.

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Speaker 4: If that D line continues to look like that and

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Speaker 4: Carson Beck looks like that, it could be a team

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Speaker 4: that's playing deep into the month of January.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, we'll see.

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 5: I was hopeful about Beck and I think you know,

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Speaker 5: this guy less than two years ago was a projected

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Speaker 5: number one pick. I mean like this time last year.

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Speaker 5: I think he was like a projected number one pick

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Speaker 5: at one point, and you know, I don't know what

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Speaker 5: happened in the interim, but there's something in him right

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Speaker 5: today somewhere, So let's see if he can bring it out.

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Speaker 2: So obviously the Colts hope pivoting a bit to the NFL, Stephen,

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Speaker 2: that they can bring the best out of Daniel Jones

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Speaker 2: now that he's kind of been in that role. Stephen,

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Speaker 2: what have you been able to perhaps glean from the

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Speaker 2: coaching staff for players about the type of player who

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Speaker 2: will be stepping into the most important position in the

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Speaker 2: sport in a huge position for this franchise in particular,

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Speaker 2: that just hasn't been able to find that consistent answer

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Speaker 2: at quarterback.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it really has just been reinforced to me.

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Speaker 5: Everything that I've seen and heard has been reinforced to

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Speaker 5: me that this is it's certainly about Daniel Jones, but

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Speaker 5: it's less about him than other people, and it's about

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Speaker 5: it's about Michael Pittman and Josh Downs and Tyler Warren

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Speaker 5: and Alec Parris and Jonathan Taylor. I mean, this is

566
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Speaker 5: a bet on those guys the way that Daniel Jones

567
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Speaker 5: plays a role here, as best as I can tell,

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Speaker 5: is that they think he will maximize those guys. I mean, certainly,

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Speaker 5: you know, Anthony Richardson, you know, can certainly get a

570
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Speaker 5: lot out of guys with his big playability. But just

571
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Speaker 5: to consistently get as much as you can out of

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Speaker 5: those guys on each and every play, that's what the

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Speaker 5: Colts are hoping for here. So by by getting into

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Speaker 5: the right play and setting the right protections and all

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Speaker 5: those pre snap things are talking about, they think that

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Speaker 5: will enable those guys to be maximized. Whether it's a

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Speaker 5: checkdown or a quick out or whatever it is. It

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Speaker 5: probably won't be sexy, but that's where their heads are at,

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Speaker 5: and we'll see if they're right.

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Speaker 1: Steven Holder joining us here on the Payless Lookers hotline. Steven,

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious you mentioned some of those players just

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Speaker 1: a moment ago. What kind of early contribution do you

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Speaker 1: think is possible for Tyler Warren? Like, how involved will

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Speaker 1: he be in this offense right away?

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Speaker 5: Well, it'll be interesting to see because I do think

586
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Speaker 5: that there are a lot of guys that deserve the

587
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Speaker 5: football here. So I don't think they're going to force

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Speaker 5: feed Tyler Warren, you know, and I don't know what

589
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Speaker 5: that means from a like fantasy perspective or what have you.

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Speaker 5: If people are interested in that, I think we got

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Speaker 5: to feel that out. But I do believe that he

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Speaker 5: will be impactful because when he does get the ball,

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Speaker 5: he has the ability to make plays. And I think

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Speaker 5: the area that interests being most perhaps is after the catch,

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Speaker 5: because you know, we don't think of Tyler Warren as like,

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Speaker 5: you know, this Sam Laporter type of guy who is

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Speaker 5: maybe you know, just a real speed guy and this high,

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Speaker 5: high level athlete. I mean, Tyler Warren is a great athlete,

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Speaker 5: but but he's he's different and that he's much more physical.

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Speaker 5: So I think really his run after the catch will

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Speaker 5: be Okay, I got the ball, Now you got to

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Speaker 5: tackle me, as opposed to I'm gonna run away from you.

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Speaker 5: So that's gonna make it hard, I think for if

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Speaker 5: he gets the right matchups, I mean, if you get

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Speaker 5: him on a on a nickel corner for example, I mean,

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Speaker 5: that's gonna be a long day. Now, he'll probably get

607
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Speaker 5: some linebackers. But he's also a good enough athlete that

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Speaker 5: he can he can get away from those guys. So

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Speaker 5: I think after the catch is where I'm really intrigued

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Speaker 5: to watch Tyler Warren. But I do think, at least initially,

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Speaker 5: it may not be the force feeding kind of situation

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Speaker 5: that maybe you would think with a first round pick,

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Speaker 5: particularly as a tight end on a team with a

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Speaker 5: lot of other weapons.

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Speaker 4: Steven, would you be more surprised if the Colts finish

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Speaker 4: this year drafting in the top eight or the bottom eight?

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Speaker 4: I don't know why I have quartiles on my mind,

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Speaker 4: but you think better chance they finishes the top eight

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Speaker 4: drafting team or.

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Speaker 5: R I p. I guess I would say I'd probably

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Speaker 5: be more surprised if it's the bottom eight. And that

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Speaker 5: is not to suggest that I believe in Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna be honest, I kind of don't, but but

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Speaker 5: I think I think it's possible he can be the

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Speaker 5: game manager they want. That that is certainly possible. Right. Uh,

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Speaker 5: He's not gonna win them games in my opinion, but

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Speaker 5: I think this team has enough depth and enough talent

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Speaker 5: throughout it that if they're in the bottom eight, if

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Speaker 5: they're picking in the bottom eight, then something went seriously wrong.

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Speaker 5: And I think Shane Steiken, you know, I think the

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Speaker 5: jury is still out on him as a head coach,

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Speaker 5: but he has gotten a fair amount out of the

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Speaker 5: team in the first two years without any consistency at quarterbacks,

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Speaker 5: which is the biggest factor. He hasn't had that, and

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Speaker 5: they're still a five hundred team over his first two years.

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Speaker 5: So he's doing something right, even though I still think

637
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Speaker 5: he's got more to prove. So I think given all

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Speaker 5: of that, I'd be surprised if they're in that company.

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Speaker 5: But the preseason predictions for this team nationally, for whatever

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Speaker 5: that's worth, not much, but for whatever that's worth, including

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Speaker 5: at the place I work ESPN, they're not very complimentary.

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Speaker 1: I would say that, do.

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Speaker 4: You think, And I guess it's hard to I guess

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Speaker 4: I apologize a little bit for asking the question, and

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Speaker 4: it's hard to know. We don't know a lot about

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Speaker 4: Carli or say go and necessarily where she's drawing the

647
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Speaker 4: line in terms of evaluations. Do you think a playoff

648
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Speaker 4: birth is enough for this regime to run it back

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Speaker 4: for another year?

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Speaker 5: I think it's I think possibly it depends on what

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Speaker 5: it looks like. I mean, that's that's always the answer there, right,

652
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Speaker 5: But I think that it depends, you know. I think

653
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Speaker 5: you can back into the playoffs, and you can also

654
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Speaker 5: make the playoffs in good standing and looking like you're

655
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Speaker 5: a competent team. It can look very different depending on

656
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Speaker 5: the circumstances. So I would like to see what it

657
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Speaker 5: looks like. And I think I think she's pragmatic enough

658
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Speaker 5: that those things matter for her too, like the what's

659
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Speaker 5: the future look like? The trajectory. All that matters because

660
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Speaker 5: Carly is a She's a thinker from all indications, you know,

661
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Speaker 5: she's someone who who definitely looks at the bigger picture.

662
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Speaker 5: And I think is less emotional than her father. It's

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Speaker 5: not a that's not a compliment or a or a

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Speaker 5: disparaging remark. It's just a fact, right, Jim Mersey, he

665
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 5: moved and decided things when it times with his gut. Curly,

666
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Speaker 5: I'm sure has some of that in her sisters, but

667
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Speaker 5: but I think they are much more pragmatic and we'll

668
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 5: look at the bigger picture and much more black and white.

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Speaker 2: I'm just, you know, amazed at him using pragmatic twice.

670
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Speaker 2: We have ESPN Stephen Holder on the line with us,

671
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Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, I got to google this word.

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Speaker 3: I know what it means.

673
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Speaker 2: But if you put me in a spell the contest

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Speaker 2: right now, I could not spell that correctly.

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Speaker 5: I don't think, hey, listen, they'll just hire anybody at

676
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Speaker 5: the Worldwide Leader buddy.

677
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Speaker 4: Hire Mike Wells.

678
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Speaker 1: To be fair, I had.

679
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Speaker 5: Big shoes to fill.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad that Allie showing up to practice. Speaking

681
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Speaker 2: of practice, first one today official for the season and

682
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Speaker 2: we'll hear from Shane's psyching letter today. But when it

683
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 2: comes to preparing for Miami, what type of challenges do

684
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Speaker 2: you think they present, particularly when it comes to the

685
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Speaker 2: secondary Stephen, Because as much as personally I want to

686
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Speaker 2: believe in that group, I do have questions because there's

687
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: been so much change and turnover, and we know that

688
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Speaker 2: Lou a Roumo is known for putting a lot on

689
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Speaker 2: the secondary. And do you think that this week could

690
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: be a big test for them considering that when they

691
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Speaker 2: had their quarterback this year in Tua and just the

692
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Speaker 2: speed on the outside.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think look at when when that

694
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Speaker 5: group has been you know in stride. I'm talking about

695
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 5: you know Tua and his playmakers. They are a lot

696
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 5: to handle and I think that is that's where this

697
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 5: game is going to be won and lost in my opinion.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think the Colts are going to do

699
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 5: what they do offensively and it'll be sort of humdrum.

700
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Speaker 5: But you know, I think if they get into a

701
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Speaker 5: shootout with this team, I don't like their chances that

702
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Speaker 5: that can't happen. This defense has to hold up and

703
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 5: and the way I think that will play out and

704
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 5: be determined will be prevented the big plays. If they

705
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 5: start giving up big plays, I think it's gonna be

706
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 5: a long day or potentially, so they've got to I

707
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Speaker 5: think it's gonna be a great test for this secondary

708
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 5: right off the bat. We're going to learn a lot

709
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 5: about them right away, and I.

710
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Speaker 4: Want to see.

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Speaker 5: I want to see if they can pull this off

712
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Speaker 5: because I mean a Rumo lots being put on his

713
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 5: shoulders here, right. Can he be the guy the day?

714
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Speaker 5: Hope he is. So I think a lot of people

715
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 5: early on the secondary and Luanna Rumo are going to

716
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 5: be tested and maybe something will be revealed about them.

717
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Speaker 2: Steven, the Colts have not won a season, opener, I

718
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Speaker 2: believe since twenty thirteen?

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Speaker 3: Were you on the beat? And if not, where were

720
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Speaker 3: you in twenty thirteen?

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Speaker 5: Okay, so I went through this yesterday with Querry. It's hilarious.

722
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Speaker 5: That was my first regular season colts game. I just

723
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 5: I had just gotten too Indianapolis and I moved here.

724
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 5: I believe my daughter was like four and she was

725
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 5: I think in like pre as James knows because he's

726
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 5: been to our football games at Lawrence North where she's

727
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 5: a cheerleader. She's sixteen now and she's a junior in

728
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 5: high school and they still haven't won another one. It's incredible.

729
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 5: It is really one of the more incredible stats in sports.

730
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Speaker 5: And every time I bring this up to someone, like

731
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Speaker 5: on a national radio program or even within my own

732
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 5: colleagues at ESPN, people look at me like I have

733
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 5: three heads because they don't believe it's possible. There's two

734
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Speaker 5: stats with the cults that that people are bewildered by.

735
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Speaker 5: It's that one and then also the fact that which

736
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 5: is you know, maybe there's something there that one, and

737
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Speaker 5: maybe the fact that they haven't won the AFC South

738
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Speaker 5: since twenty fourteen. People it takes them a while to

739
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 5: digest those two stats.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, what's the other one? They haven't won in

741
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Speaker 2: Jacksonville since twenty fourteen, So there's a few streaks there exactly.

742
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Speaker 5: I mean basically the last twelve years of this franchise.

743
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Speaker 5: I mean, what were they even doing?

744
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Speaker 4: I guess even close it out, you want to take

745
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 4: a stab at who was the leading receiver in that

746
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 4: win over the Raiders? How about leading receiver, leading tackler

747
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 4: Terrell Pryor was the opposing quarterback of that game? I

748
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 4: think that that trivia question we've probably played out enough there.

749
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Speaker 4: The Colts leading receiver in that game was who.

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Speaker 5: That's the twenty thirteen opener? Oh my goodness, there's no

751
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 5: way it was Darius Hayward Bay. Was it?

752
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 4: Darius Hayward Bay was second three catches for thirty three yards,

753
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 4: the leading receiver going into his fourth year as wide

754
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 4: receivers coach for the Colts. It was Reggie Wayne eight catches.

755
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 4: That's actually crazy for the leading tackler, fifteen tackles for

756
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Speaker 4: this guy in the season opening win. And IM sure

757
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 4: if Jarrell Freeman was it. Darrell Freeman was third and

758
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 4: tackles in that game. I'm sure this man had quite

759
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 4: a lot to say in front of his locker with

760
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 4: a little action figure incredible Hulk afterwards, Lon Landryron Landry

761
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 4: with fifteen tackles.

762
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 3: What a name as the goodness?

763
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 5: What time to be Alive?

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Speaker 1: See what you learn today, Stevid, what it's.

765
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Speaker 5: Time to be alive? I mean, I'm telling you that

766
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 5: was quite an era.

767
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: It was.

768
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 5: It was something wow. Yeah, I mean the Lauren Landry era.

769
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Speaker 5: It lasted like six months and it was good for

770
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 5: six months. That's about it.

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Speaker 1: It's always good to talk to you, Steve, and I

772
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: know we have made it through the long dark season

773
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Speaker 1: and we've got NFL football at Lucas Oil Stadium on Sunday.

774
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: Can't wait to see you there and enjoy the rest

775
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: of your week and we'll we'll all get there, countdown

776
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: to kick off together.

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00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 5: All right, I'll see you guys soon.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, we get to Tony. So the second the

779
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Speaker 1: Fantasy football draft of the Fan Morning Show is underway

780
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: as the number one selection been made. Because I'm not

781
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: logged in yet, I've got.

782
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 3: To get in there, buddy, I got a right now.

783
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: If you are literally on the clock, well then they're

784
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: probably gonna get out of draft to this first one,

785
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: which is fine in the first two picks.

786
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 4: So here we come.

787
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: We're talking about this draft for two weeks.

788
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 4: The first dude took a full minute on the clock,

789
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 4: and now Jeff's not even logged into auto draft.

790
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: Apparently my password is not what I thought it was.

791
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: Oh it's number two. You can't screw up with an

792
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:21,479
Speaker 1: auto draft.

793
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 4: That the se draft Matt Gay, Yeah right, Mark, this

794
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 4: is going to take us three hours. The first two

795
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 4: dudes have literally Jeff and this other guy have literally

796
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 4: taken every second.

797
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: There we go. I'm changing it as we speak.

798
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 3: Oh gosh.

799
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: In the meantime, why don't you bring in Tony East

800
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 1: and we can talk about some real things.

801
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 4: Because I don't draft till the end. Tony East locked

802
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 4: on Pacers and has your coverage Fever and Pacers has

803
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 4: an excellent job with that. Tony, we haven't talked in

804
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 4: a while. How's life, man, It's great.

805
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 6: I woke up and I've been all in on this

806
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 6: Kawhi Leonard Pablo Torre thing this morning, which is yeah,

807
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 6: I saw you.

808
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 4: This is why I saw this come across the wire.

809
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 4: But I haven't been able to read too much on it.

810
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 4: Could you kind of fill us in on it? Thanks

811
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 4: for you know, sharing this news, so I need.

812
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 6: To actually listen to the podcast. But just from reading

813
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 6: tweets and watching people react to what the CBA rules are.

814
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 6: Apparently a company was created and then Steve Balmer invested

815
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 6: a bunch of money in it, and then that company

816
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 6: signed Kawhi Leonard to a contract that pays him twenty

817
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 6: eight million dollars if he's playing for the Clippers. That's

818
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 6: on top of his NBA contract. Very obviously, salary caps

819
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 6: are convention completely crazy.

820
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 4: That sounds highly illegal. But it sounds like something that

821
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 4: was done like in.

822
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Speaker 6: Those It sounds like college nil.

823
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 4: It sounds like yeah, like how like people played for

824
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:46,959
Speaker 4: like the SEC schools like ten years ago.

825
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 6: It's crazy. Uh, and it's going to be a thing

826
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 6: for the NBA because you can't do that.

827
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 4: So gosh, that's wild.

828
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Speaker 2: Well you know boardman gets paid, so so it's a

829
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: kowhile Leonard, baby, get everything that's coming to you.

830
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 6: Of all the players getting paid under the table. The

831
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 6: guy who had all these questions about like is he

832
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 6: actually heard or not, it is the funniest one.

833
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 4: Objectively, Yes, yes, I agree.

834
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Speaker 2: This is just the tip of the iceberg, as they say,

835
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: Tony oh yes, pivoting a bit to the fever we

836
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 2: saw last night weren't quite able to stage that fourth

837
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: quarter comeback against the Phoenix Mercury. So now with three

838
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 2: games left in the season, Tony, how dicey is it

839
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: for them? I know you've been doing on your Twitter.

840
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: I've enjoyed saying like, Okay, it could be from this

841
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 2: range to this range. They can't fall below this, they

842
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 2: can't get above this as far as the standings go.

843
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 2: But how big is Friday Night and just the overall

844
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 2: field and state of this team.

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00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, they've had a great couple of days with the

846
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 6: Sparks beating the Storm, and the Valkyries look really great recently,

847
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 6: but their odds are still probably pretty high just because

848
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 6: of two things. One is that Golden State and Seattle

849
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 6: still play each other once. It's actually the Storm's last

850
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 6: game of the season, I believe, so one of those

851
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 6: teams has to lose that game, right, and that by

852
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 6: default helps the Fever in their quest to catch or

853
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 6: stay ahead of somebody else. And then the other thing

854
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 6: that helps them is the Sparks have five games left,

855
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 6: which is still a lot, but they all but one

856
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 6: of them are really hard teams. They still play the

857
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 6: Aces the Mercury, and they start a two games set

858
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 6: in Atlanta against a Dream today tonight, I believe, and

859
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 6: so because their schedule is hard and they have to

860
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 6: straight up leap frog the Fever, but they have two

861
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 6: wins fewer than the odds for the Fever are still

862
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 6: pretty high, mostly because of that Sparks part. But they

863
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 6: did not have a good weekend in terms of their

864
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 6: odds with those losses, with LA coming out of some tight,

865
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 6: close games, and the Fever really need to I mean,

866
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 6: they're going to be favored in their next two games,

867
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 6: like they really need to get both of them, particularly

868
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 6: one of them, because you know, it is at least

869
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 6: plausible for them to miss it in a way that

870
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 6: I wasn't sure was the case after they beat the Sparks.

871
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 6: But I still think their odds are pretty high given

872
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 6: all the factors outside of their own.

873
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: Team, Tony, how well could team do without Caitlyn Clark

874
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: in the postseason?

875
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I've thought about that a lot recently,

876
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 6: because they have some great wins even without her this season.

877
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 6: They they won the Commission's Cup title game without her.

878
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 6: I guess if the Link's the best team in the

879
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 6: league and they have some other like high quality wins

880
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 6: against good teams, and it's so easy for me to say, well,

881
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 6: I still have Kelsey Mitchell, they still have Lea Boston.

882
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 6: Like that's two All Star level talents that are are good,

883
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 6: and they have other good players. It's just that was

884
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 6: earlier in the season when they were way less banged

885
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 6: up and had players that they intended to have on

886
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 6: their team this year is still healthy and playing, and

887
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 6: since then they lost Darry McDonald and Sidy Colson and

888
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 6: Zovie Cunningham and they've been playing players who are on

889
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 6: the team for one, two, three weeks. So I still

890
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 6: think their like highest level without Caitlin is moderately high,

891
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 6: like in the you know, fourth through sixth best team range.

892
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 6: But can they string that together with any sort of consistency. No,

893
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 6: you have not seen them do that. I mean, they

894
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 6: have some some rough losses recently too, against teams that

895
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 6: you think they should beat or be able to stay

896
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 6: ahead of, including the Wings and the Mystics at home,

897
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 6: so it's hard to like.

898
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 7: Actually, if they've showed any sort of consistency for multiple games,

899
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 7: I would say that it's possible for them to reach

900
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 7: a level that without Clark could get them through a round,

901
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 7: but you know, they need to find they have three

902
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 7: games up to find some of those answers, because on

903
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 7: paper they should be at least decent, but they've shown

904
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 7: really high flashes without her and just.

905
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 6: Some totally low like they did on Sunday in Golden

906
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 6: State Valley, So they just look like they can't score Tony.

907
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 4: Tomorrow strikes me as a huge day for Kaitlin Clark,

908
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 4: Like obviously they traveled back late, either late last night today,

909
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 4: I don't know exactly what their travel schedule is tomorrow.

910
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 4: Back on the practice floor before game on Friday. I

911
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,479
Speaker 4: would think any chance for her to play maybe again

912
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 4: this season. She's got to practice tomorrow, right, I mean,

913
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 4: where are you kind of at with her availability the

914
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 4: rest of the year.

915
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 6: Yeah, they practice Saturday too in Indy like they had.

916
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 6: Stephanie White actually tries to find times for practices throughout

917
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 6: the season in a way that a lot of coaches

918
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 6: I've covered in the NBA, and you kind of don't.

919
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 6: You know, maybe they're not as hard, but I think

920
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 6: that gives more chances for it to happen. But I agree,

921
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 6: it's getting late, and like you know this, this felt

922
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 6: like an advantage to me when it happened, but now

923
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 6: given the Kalin Clark situation, maybe not. You know, their

924
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 6: last game is next Tuesday, but the w only has

925
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 6: thirteen teams. Excuse me, it has thirteen teams this season

926
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 6: and that's an odd number. So the not every team

927
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 6: plays the same last day, which is very atypical in sports.

928
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 6: So some team's final game is next Thursday, some is

929
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 6: next Wednesday, the fevers next Tuesday, so they don't have

930
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 6: as much time. Also like to throw in other practices

931
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 6: to get her going, And on one hand, that's a

932
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 6: negative if you want her to return for the regular season.

933
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 6: On the other hand, look, this is unusual but not

934
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 6: unheard of in sports, Like they will have more time

935
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 6: between their last game and the start of the postseason

936
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 6: if they make it to get her on the practice floor.

937
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 6: So I would say this, I agree with you that

938
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 6: if she's gonna play in the regular season tomorrow, specifically

939
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 6: in this week, is extremely significant. But if she's going

940
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 6: to return for the postseason and do the we've seen

941
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 6: this for four kind of thing, but it's rare, like

942
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 6: Kyle Swarber and the World Series level stuff, like it's

943
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 6: plausible that that big gap could be meaningful. It's something

944
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 6: that I thought about recently, but I know they keep

945
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 6: saying it's the hope she returns. I don't know why

946
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 6: they would be consistently putting her up into more situations

947
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 6: that we can see. Five on zero, the most recent one,

948
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 6: if they weren't hoping at least that she plays. But

949
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 6: that is of course just speculation and reading into what

950
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 6: they've chosen to do so far.

951
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 2: Last one on Caitlin Tony going back to when the

952
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: injury first happened to where we are now, do you

953
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 2: understand why they've strung it along like this? I mean

954
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: they basically said she's week to week or day to

955
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: day ever since it happened.

956
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 3: And has that made sense to you?

957
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 2: Because from the outside look at it and it's like, well,

958
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 2: why come you just didn't say she was gonna miss

959
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, a month at least. I guess that's

960
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 2: the question that is frustrating for some of the fan base.

961
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 6: Oh, it's frustrated everybody. It should be right out and

962
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 6: definitely sucks because you know, it sounds like there's no timeline,

963
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 6: but like everybody has a timeline, right, Like everybody's trying

964
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 6: to return or hit a benchmark at some date, and

965
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 6: so it's really challenging when that's kind of how it is.

966
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 6: I kind of, you know, interpreted that as like a, well,

967
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 6: we don't know for sure, but we'll see. We think

968
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 6: it's about this time. But you know, it's tough when

969
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 6: that is the reality that's provided. And so it does

970
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 6: kind of feel like we're all just along for the

971
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 6: ride and seeing what it happens, because that's still the line,

972
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 6: right and so until she does contact, I don't know

973
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 6: if we'll know any more specifics about an actual return

974
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 6: timeline or specific game. And that's been how it's been

975
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 6: since mid July, which is, you know, not not unheard of,

976
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 6: but a little strange.

977
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: Thanks for stopping by. As always, it's always basketball sin.

978
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 4: Go ahead at him, Tony East. We're here trying to

979
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 4: multitask the fantasy football draft, so apolitic.

980
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 5: Uh, figure out our passwords?

981
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: Say it again, passwords?

982
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 6: Are we in? Are we going?

983
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 4: I think Jeff is in. I think he's in.

984
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: I believe, So yeah, I got him just in the

985
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 1: nick time.

986
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 4: So we're good. Benec Matheren contract Excension. Listen to your

987
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 4: podcast and the Way in this morning, Locked on Pacers.

988
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 4: It was an excellent listen. I get the vibe that, like,

989
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 4: neither party probably wants to do an extension, and like

990
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 4: I shouldn't say, I get the vibe like I've been

991
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 4: talking to like both parties. I can see reasons why

992
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 4: both sides of it would be hesitant. Is that kind

993
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 4: of where you are? And I don't feel like that's

994
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 4: exactly where a lot of these extension debates get to.

995
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 6: Yes, I totally agree, And it's not even that both

996
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 6: sides would be hesitant because they're not certain they'll be

997
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 6: together forever. Like maybe they do want to be together forever,

998
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 6: and they want to be you know, he wants to

999
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 6: be the starter for the Pacers the pace one had

1000
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 6: them to grow with them. Like that's totally reasonable, but

1001
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 6: like it's very rare that a player gets the kind

1002
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 6: of opportunity in their fourth season's about to have where

1003
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 6: they're about to have a way bigger role to prove

1004
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 6: themselves in a way that they haven't really had in

1005
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 6: their career. I guess you could count the start of

1006
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 6: Matherens second season, but then Buddy Heal took his starting

1007
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 6: spot in like four weeks or something, so he has

1008
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 6: a chance to do all the stuff that he's done

1009
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 6: at his best and that he says he can do,

1010
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 6: which is, you know, guard some of the best players.

1011
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 6: Like there's no way they're going to put them hard

1012
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 6: on the best guy every night and have him be

1013
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 6: you know, a heavy load lead ball handler, and Matheren's

1014
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 6: gonna have the ballmore. His usage rate was like five

1015
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 6: percent higher without Halburn last year. That's a rare opportunity

1016
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 6: to look awesome and like do all the stuff you

1017
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 6: said you could do and really prove what you can

1018
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 6: do to your team and potentially other teams because if

1019
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 6: he'll be a free agent next year. So if you're

1020
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 6: bet Matheren, you know, if you're getting extension offers from

1021
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 6: the Pacers based on what you've done so far and

1022
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 6: on what the Pacers think he'll do, you know in

1023
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 6: the future, given the role that he's had with a team,

1024
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,959
Speaker 6: that's probably not it's not the PACER's fault for paying

1025
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 6: him like that, Like that's the information they have. But

1026
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 6: if you're him, you're thinking, man, get way more, right,

1027
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 6: And if you're the Pacers, you're like, well, that's fine, right,

1028
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 6: if you played great, we'll pay you like that if not,

1029
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 6: you know, we we've seen this, we know what you are,

1030
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 6: We've you know where Carlisle talked on this show about

1031
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 6: the difference between the rat game Ben Mather and what

1032
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 6: you know, pacers Ben Mather could be and I think

1033
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 6: one of the funniest things ever, by the way, with

1034
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 6: him saying no disrespect to rats when you asked.

1035
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 4: Him about that.

1036
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 6: I still laugh about that. But anyway, you know, those

1037
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 6: kind of differences are why he has this huge opportunity

1038
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 6: in front of him and why it's like, even if

1039
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 6: they both really wanted to stay locked in his team

1040
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 6: player partnership going forward, it makes sense to wait and

1041
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 6: get as much information as possible. So it's not a

1042
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 6: bad thing. I think. It's just kind of how it is.

1043
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 4: Literally one of my favorite audio clips of all time

1044
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 4: right there.

1045
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 6: I could not believe that was the first three you

1046
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 6: said he had that ready to go.

1047
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 4: He said in such a serious manner, like all of

1048
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 4: a sudden, these rats were waiting outside to have a

1049
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 4: word with him when he finished this morning coffee. All right,

1050
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 4: last one, you know nothing about the NFL outside of

1051
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 4: the Minnesota Vikings. Oh boy, more wins for your Minnesota Vikings.

1052
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 4: More wins for the Indiana Hoosiers in football.

1053
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 6: Oh boy, oh JJ McCarthy. I probably would take the

1054
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 6: Hoosis although that old Dominion game really spooked me. Man.

1055
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 6: I know they played away better than them, but I

1056
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 6: walked away like yikes, yike.

1057
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 3: Just just wait a couple of weeks, brother, Illinois, I.

1058
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 6: Know I haven't had I suppose I suppose I've only

1059
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 6: had like real excited expectations for RIU football twice in

1060
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 6: my life, and last time was twenty twenty one and

1061
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 6: they were totally miserable.

1062
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 5: So uh, after.

1063
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 6: The old Dominion game, I'm extremely nervous and sad again.

1064
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 6: So hopefully they can have stick with me.

1065
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 2: I got nothing but bad news for it will not

1066
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:49,479
Speaker 2: be great.

1067
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 3: Yes, you will get two weeks from now, you know.

1068
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 3: I'll let you know because I still got to get

1069
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 3: my get back from from our trash talk. The last

1070
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 3: time I Illinois played, I could not live that down.

1071
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 6: I was just in campaign. People are buzzing.

1072
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: Man, there you go. Where's the best place to go

1073
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: find uh lockdown pacers?

1074
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, anywhere you get podcasters on YouTube is the way

1075
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 6: to go.

1076
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: Hi, buddy, always good to talk to you. Thanks for

1077
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: putting up with us Yes, Thanks having guys