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Speaker 1: There is a ton of college basketball to talk about,

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Speaker 1: and when it comes to talking about a ton of

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Speaker 1: college basketball, there is nobody better to do it that

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Speaker 1: we wanted to get right off the top with the

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Speaker 1: tournament pairings and the Butler News and everything else than

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Speaker 1: Mike Decursi of the Sporting News and the Big Ten Network,

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Speaker 1: as I always say, the dean of college basketball writers.

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Speaker 1: And he joins us on the Java House Colbrew Coffee

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Speaker 1: guest line, Mike, bottom line, it basically is Christmas season. Man,

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Speaker 1: here it is and you are you are literally Chris

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Speaker 1: Kringle right here on the radio program. Awesome time of year.

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 3: I am, well, Jake.

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Speaker 2: But you know the difference is that after Santa Claus

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Speaker 2: delivers all the presents, he gets to put his feed

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Speaker 2: up for the next three hundred days, and I'm still

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Speaker 2: working for the next month at least.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. That is a good point. Well, that's

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Speaker 1: the whole month is fun. And like I said, Mike,

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Speaker 1: it's always funny to me whenever one shining moment comes on.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned this last week. Whenever I watch one shining

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Speaker 1: moment at the end of the tournament, it's very melancholic.

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Speaker 1: To me because you're seeing the it reminds me of

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Speaker 1: tournaments of yesteryear and people we've lost and things like that.

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Speaker 1: I know that sounds over dramatic, but it's also interesting

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Speaker 1: how in three weeks when we know who the national

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Speaker 1: much happens over the course of this tournament, which is

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Speaker 2: Well, you said overly dramatic, but it's really not, and

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Speaker 2: it's really poigning in this particular tournament because there are

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Speaker 2: two teams, Kennesaw State and South Florida that were coached

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Speaker 2: by a young man named Amir Abdur Raheem, brother of

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Speaker 2: Amir was a rising star in coaching, and he coached

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Speaker 2: under him, and he passed away very suddenly last year.

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Speaker 2: And so to have both of those teams in this

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Speaker 1: And he was very highly I mean he was really

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Speaker 3: He was a guy, right, yeah, wonderful person.

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, the American Conference has now

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Speaker 2: guy who was going to be He was on a

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Speaker 2: It was just going to be a question of taking

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Speaker 2: for success, not just the first big paycheck. I think

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Speaker 2: that the coaches sometimes make that mistake, or maybe it's

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Speaker 2: won't matter if they if they run me out, and

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Speaker 3: So or maybe they'll give me one of those contracts

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Speaker 2: Huge buyouts that the eighties keep growing around like candy

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Speaker 1: So Mike one of the players is that Mike de

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Speaker 1: course he is my guest. It was not a buyout,

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Speaker 1: but rather a retirement. But we know now to lead

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Speaker 1: I guess just assessment of Fad in his career and

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Speaker 2: I think that first of all, Sad when he left

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Speaker 3: At that point, I knew well of his health issues.

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Speaker 2: I've known Sad for twenty five years now, always have

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Speaker 2: I didn't think that I knew that he was headed

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Speaker 2: Fame track without a doubt. His record at Ohio State

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Speaker 2: I know that Barry Callier got the program set and going,

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Speaker 2: Sad in his very short time he said his experience

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Speaker 3: We can be a lot better than that.

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Speaker 2: And then ultimately Brad took it to where it went

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Speaker 3: League to the Big East. And so when he.

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Speaker 2: Retired or resigned or whatever we call it, when he

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Speaker 3: It and I was like, Wow, that column still works.

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Speaker 2: It's like the same, like everything that impacted him then

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Speaker 3: He fought through it at Butler, but it just he.

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Speaker 2: Just didn't have the same gun, the same juice that

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Speaker 2: but they just needed more. And I probably wasn't the era,

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Speaker 2: not yet been successful in this era, and it is

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Speaker 2: a distinct era from probably twenty forward, anybody that hasn't

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Speaker 2: been successful has to look first, can how do we

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Speaker 2: have to answer. It. Going out and hiring the biggest

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Speaker 2: before money it is, and it isn't now. You have

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Speaker 3: The skill and the talent.

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Speaker 2: I always it always amazes me at how many people

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Speaker 3: Oh, he's like, okay, he's.

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Speaker 2: Been really good, really good a long time. But he's

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Speaker 1: How do we support said coach?

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Speaker 2: Right, Yes, that's that's the biggest question for every team

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Speaker 3: I think you seeing that that's a struggle for a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of the teams below the Saint John's, Yukon Villanova level

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's that they don't have the right coaches.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe you know? I was just saying, Mike

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Speaker 1: this stab a bout of Butler situation. I've talked to

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Speaker 1: can always tell, Mike when you do it long enough,

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Speaker 1: when you talk to people that don't necessarily cross pollinate

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Speaker 1: that's when you're like, Okay, there may be something to this.

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Speaker 1: By that, I mean, at no disrespect to him, I

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Speaker 1: don't know that Travis Steele is as lock and stock

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Speaker 2: Well, I think there are capable coaches all throughout college

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Speaker 3: I don't know exactly the tenure, but his teams are.

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Speaker 2: Always good and he always finds talent to extent the

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Speaker 3: That's a guy that.

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Speaker 2: hiring these search firms who don't know coaching. They don't

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Speaker 3: Ability to identify talent.

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Speaker 2: I think that that's a real problem with how Now.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what Butler's process is going to be,

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Speaker 2: but the minute I hear somebody hired a search firm

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Speaker 1: You know, Mike. A couple of years ago, I went

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Speaker 1: and I noticed I was with Derek Schultzen. He and

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Speaker 1: I both commented on this the Robert Morris bench, every

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Speaker 1: But I also think that it speaks to coaching because

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Speaker 1: it showed this belief of guys that were working together

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Speaker 1: no idea how that translates to x's and o's, but

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Speaker 1: I thought it was impressive for what that's worth a

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Speaker 2: If I have a second, I'll tell you a story

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Speaker 3: Now it's been twenty some.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he had a ton of threes that night.

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Speaker 1: Lightning in a bottle and that's in that final four though,

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Speaker 1: no question.

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Speaker 2: Let me let me say this before we go. I

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Speaker 2: am so excited to be coming back to Indy. Every

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Speaker 2: final four should be in Indianapolis. There is no second

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Speaker 2: place in terms of the best place to hold the

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Speaker 2: final four, and so really excited to be coming back

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Speaker 2: to town for this.

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Speaker 1: Well, we love it, Mike, and I appreciate your time

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Speaker 1: coming on and obviously we will be looking for you

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Speaker 1: BTA Network, watching it on Twitter at TSN Mike and

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Speaker 1: Sportingnews dot com where you can read his column as well.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it, Mike, Thank you very much. Shake a Mike

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Speaker 1: of course he joining me Java House Coldbrew Coffee guest

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