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Speaker 1: Okay, So there was a major shake up in the

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Speaker 1: hog Set administration yesterday. I anybody saw it coming, and

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Speaker 1: we got to try to make some sense of it

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Speaker 1: because logic doesn't really seem to work out here. It's

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Speaker 1: Kenill and Casey show. I'm Rob Casey's out, Ethan Hatcher

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Speaker 1: in for Casey. So Chris Bailey, who is the Chief

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Speaker 1: of Police IMPD Chief of Police, was appointed yesterday as

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Speaker 1: the chief deputy Mayor and chief of staff for Joe

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Speaker 1: hog Set, the mayor of the City of Indianapolis. He

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Speaker 1: will begin that position in early February and then hog

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Speaker 1: Set will then have to point a new IMPD police chief.

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Speaker 1: This doesn't make any sense to me for a variety

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Speaker 1: of reasons. First and foremost, Bailey's a pretty respected guy.

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Speaker 1: He's pretty safe in the job he's in now. And

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Speaker 1: what rational person would go to work for that dumpster fire,

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Speaker 1: not just have a mayor, but as a human being,

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Speaker 1: Joe hog Set, why would he do that?

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Speaker 2: Well in the middle of you know, the height of

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Speaker 2: Joe hogg Sets scandal as well. I mean, you're talking

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Speaker 2: about failure on multiple levels, whether it's whether he didn't

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Speaker 2: show up during the riots in Summer of Love or,

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Speaker 2: of course, most recently, the sexual harassment scandal. It just

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Speaker 2: seems like a perplexing time to join administration that is

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Speaker 2: seemingly on flames, and you're also.

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Speaker 1: On borrowed time. This is the other thing that doesn't

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Speaker 1: make any sense. And I think as people talking because

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Speaker 1: the hog set has espoused that he's not running for

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Speaker 1: a fourth term, Well, if that were true, the mayor's

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Speaker 1: election is next year, which essentially, unless you're feeling very

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Speaker 1: strongly that whoever wins is going to keep you in

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Speaker 1: that position, which is very rare, even if it's of

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Speaker 1: the same party, you've now put yourself on borrowed time

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Speaker 1: and your meal ticket. Is this just complete despised joke,

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Speaker 1: dumpster fire of a mayor in human Joe hog set,

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Speaker 1: which has a lot of people thinking. And this is

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Speaker 1: sort of where the juicy part of it is. Because

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Speaker 1: Bailey's not a stupid guy, that one of two things

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Speaker 1: is in play here, and I think they're logical conclusions

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Speaker 1: that many people are coming to. Doesn't mean this is true,

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Speaker 1: but I think it's the rational thought is either Bailey

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Speaker 1: himself may be running for mayor or, and I think

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Speaker 1: this is the most logical hawk Set is going to

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Speaker 1: backpedal and is going to give it a fourth term

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Speaker 1: or try to give it a fourth term. And isn't

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Speaker 1: that an indictment of the political climate here in Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: that Joe hawk Set would even be electable after a

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Speaker 1: fourth term after multiple of his own city council members

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Speaker 1: have condemned him and condemned the action surrounding the Thomas

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Speaker 2: It's it's absurd to think that he could run a

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Speaker 2: successful fourth term campaign, but I believe he could, especially

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Speaker 2: with the state of the straight ticket voting well.

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Speaker 1: And so it comes to the primary, right, And you

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Speaker 1: and I have talked about this the fact before the

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Speaker 1: Hammer and I have talked about this, the fascinating almost

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Speaker 1: subservience or deference to Joe hog seat. Look if he

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Speaker 1: were some you know, hut nut style, you know, beloved mayor,

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Speaker 1: then okay, but the guy, everybody knows what he is.

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Speaker 1: Look at the city, look at the results or lack thereof,

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Speaker 1: in the in the now eleven years going on eleven

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Speaker 1: years that he has been well, he was elected what

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Speaker 1: in fifteen, So yeah, that he has been the mayor

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Speaker 1: of the city of Indianapolis. There's nothing that you look

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Speaker 1: at the city and go, wow, think, God, Joe was there. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's get a statue up for him. Boy, he really

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Speaker 1: made a positive difference. He seemed to be a guy who,

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Speaker 1: especially for some reason, nobody will take the gloves off

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Speaker 1: that he's that he's you know, could potentially be running

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Speaker 1: against and start saying the obvious of the guy totally

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Speaker 1: disappeared during the riots. It's there are many allegations of

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Speaker 1: where he was and what he was doing. He has

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Speaker 1: no coherent answer for where he was, nor he's he

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Speaker 2: Nor are people asking him about well that more.

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Speaker 1: But this is my point. Every story hog sets simply

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Speaker 1: just hides from it, and for some reason the collective

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Speaker 1: media in the city lets it just go away. Now

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Speaker 1: sense of clearly the Marrion County Prosecutor's office is looking

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Speaker 1: into it via grand jury. That story came out in

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Speaker 1: the Indie Star earlier in the week. But by and large,

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Speaker 1: the media just lets these things go and hogg sitizentially

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Speaker 1: becomes a survivor character of Out Went Out Last, out

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Speaker 1: Play and he keeps getting away with all this stuff.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's also going to use the findings of the

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Speaker 2: Fisher Law firm investigation into the actions of the city,

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Speaker 2: and they said that the city performed in a legal

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Speaker 2: manner and there were you know, there's obviously room for improvement,

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Speaker 2: but otherwise not the fault of the leadership in the

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Speaker 2: city of Indianapolis. So he can just wash his hands

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Speaker 2: of the scandal and walk away.

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Speaker 1: Well, and again, I don't think Chris Bailey's is sort

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Speaker 1: of a run from mayor maybe is maybe he will,

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Speaker 1: don't know, But I think the more the more logical

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Speaker 1: direction people are looking in is this could be a

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Speaker 1: precursor because let's face it, who at Joe hog Seat

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Speaker 1: change is going to hire him for anything?

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Speaker 2: Sure?

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Speaker 1: Who looks at hog set and is like, again, if

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Speaker 1: he were some beloved Greg Ballard type character, you'd say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I can see him going to work in a private sector,

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Speaker 1: some firm, whatever. But this guy has no juice, this

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Speaker 1: guy has no Oh, man of hogs that we're in here,

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Speaker 1: we'd steamroll the competition. Like the guy's basically unhireable. And

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Speaker 1: so I think that a lot of people now are

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Speaker 1: saying we should probably get ready for the idea of

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Speaker 1: Joe hogg Set seeking a fourth term, and if that happens,

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Speaker 1: the intrigue will be will guys like vop Osley, who

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Speaker 1: has taken a back seat to a hog Set, Will

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Speaker 1: people like Ryan Meure. So I think people the Mary

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Speaker 1: Katy prosecutor, who people think are is pretty politically astute,

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Speaker 1: if they're gonna get in, if they're indeed gonna say

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Speaker 1: I'm done taking a back seat to you, are they

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Speaker 1: gonna have the guts, which you'll have to do to

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Speaker 1: defeat m to call out the stuff that everybody knows

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Speaker 1: is going on, but nobody will say out loud, at

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Speaker 1: least in the in the you know, in the political

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Speaker 1: establishment orbit of Marion County.

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Speaker 2: So with the regarding the appointment of Chris Bailey, you're

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Speaker 2: essentially this saying that this all boils down to one

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Speaker 2: of two possibilities, and both of them are centered around

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Speaker 2: job stability. Either Chris Bailey is going to make his

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Speaker 2: own bid for campaign at the mayor's office and I

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Speaker 2: don't think that Joe Joe hogg Set would step aside,

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Speaker 2: or he's looking for job stability by staying with the

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Speaker 2: administration through a fourth or you know, possibly fifth term,