1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,480 Speaker 1: Casey, I have a question for you. 2 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, what's that, Rob? 3 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 3: Do we play Kate a pointless venture if the cause 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 3: is decent? 5 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 2: Oh that sounds like a very Democrat thing to say. 6 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: Means well, no, no, no. 7 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 3: I mean like, if somebody has an idea that like 8 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 3: theoretically is a really good idea and would actually if 9 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 3: it could be an act at help humanity, do. 10 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: We encourage them to do that if. 11 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 3: There's zero chances they're going to succeed at it. That's 12 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 3: really what I'm asking you. 13 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: Sure give it a shot. 14 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 3: Okay, very good, go for it. Well, that's what we'll do. 15 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 3: And hot dang, it just happens to be our opening segment. 16 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: Right. If you'd have said no that at this point, 17 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: it really would have screwed up the segment. 18 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 2: It's good to go along with that. 19 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 1: Joe, Thank you for Blaylock. 20 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 3: So our old friends of the Indiana Capitol Chronicle had 21 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 3: an interesting. 22 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: Article that there is a new group. 23 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 3: Being formed and their whole mission is to elect independent 24 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 3: candidates in the state of Indiana, not third parties, people 25 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 3: actually running without a party affiliation. The group is called 26 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 3: Independent Indiana. And I thought this was interesting because in 27 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 3: an ideal world absolutely absolutely an ideal world. The Democrats 28 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 3: and Republicans have absolutely just totally let everybody down. They've 29 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 3: lied to everybody in their respective corners of the political universe. 30 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 3: And we need people to be elected who are done 31 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 3: with both teams and they say I'm going to work 32 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 3: for you. 33 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: Rather than the teams themselves. 34 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's your theory. It sounds great, Yes, it's phenomenal. 35 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 3: This article goes through how you know what percentage of 36 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 3: voters they actually believe are truly independent, even though you know, 37 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 3: if you got a that don't vote in Republican or 38 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 3: Democrat primaries, that set it out. Blah blah blah. Here's 39 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 3: the problem with this. The system is set up to 40 00:01:55,520 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 3: protect the two parties. Is being set up to protect 41 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 3: one party? Well, yeah, right, I mean we're in the 42 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 3: process and we'll get to the map, the new wacky 43 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 3: alleged map here in just a little bit. But yes, 44 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 3: certainly Republicans control everything, so they're going to try to, 45 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 3: in the case of congressional districts, draw them in. 46 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: Favor of Republicans. 47 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, the two parties 48 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 3: really just care about themselves existing. 49 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: They don't want anybody. 50 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 3: They'll pretend fight with each other and whatever, but they 51 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 3: don't want anybody else in treating on their territory. And 52 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 3: I'm sorry to say libertarians are a joke. 53 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: Well I was gonna say, what about libertarians? 54 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 3: Well they how many opportunities of the libertarians had, especially 55 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 3: in a post twenty twenty world where it's like, Okay, 56 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 3: everybody's kind of sick of you guys, or of the 57 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 3: two existing guys. There's an opening here with the success 58 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 3: of a Donald Rainwater, and all you got to do 59 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 3: is walk. 60 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: Through the door. Right. 61 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 3: You got to have just a base level of competency, 62 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 3: a base level of organization, a base level of fundraising, 63 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 3: and you guys could permanently enter that ten percent of 64 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 3: the vote and start costing people elections and start getting 65 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 3: people's attention. 66 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: They couldn't do it. They didn't fund raise. They don't. 67 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 3: I had this conversation with people over the weekend at 68 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 3: the at the party that I was bartending, because a 69 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 3: lot of Libertarians were there, and they agree with me 70 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 3: on this, including guy who used to be the main guy. 71 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 3: I think it was the whatever they call it, head, 72 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 3: I don't executive director, whatever the thing is called the 73 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 3: main the main guy of the Libertarian Party. We were 74 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 3: talking about this and and he he agreed. It's like 75 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 3: there's just no there is no there is no organization, 76 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 3: there is no a on a broad scale, there is 77 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 3: no fundraising to speak of that would move the needle 78 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 3: on candidates, there is no there is no ability to collaborate, 79 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 3: et cetera things you would have to do to start 80 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 3: getting people not even elected, but start making these these 81 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 3: major sort of accidental gains that Rainwater stumbled into, which 82 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 3: was as we now see, just purely an I hate 83 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 3: Holcombe vote. Right, So the Libertarians have bad access in 84 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 3: the sense of they don't have to get these signatures. 85 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 3: We I'll get to in just a second. So that's 86 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 3: a big thing for them. But the part the brand 87 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 3: is so stained. People were just like, oh the Libertarians, 88 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 3: Oh here they are again, right, isn't that cute? Whereas 89 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 3: an independent person who's not stayed by either of the 90 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 3: parties or the third party, the Libertarians, maybe that person 91 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 3: might have a chance. Here's the problem with all this. 92 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 3: The Capitol Chronicle did some math on what it would 93 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 3: cost just to run for statewide office as an independent, 94 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 3: and this is where we just we halt the entire thing. Right, So, 95 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 3: in order to get on the ballot, you would as 96 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 3: an independent candidate, you would need two percent of the 97 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:55,119 Speaker 3: registered voters from the most recent Secretary of State's race, 98 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 3: and that comes out to about thirty seven thousand people. 99 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 3: So you would need to get thirty seven thousand what 100 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 3: they called verified signatures. 101 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 2: Valid signals. 102 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 3: They have to be valid. You got to live where 103 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 3: you say, live blah blah blah, say they have to 104 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 3: be real people. Yes, yes, some of our other friends 105 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 3: have found out you can't just make the names up 106 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 3: and they said that you really need a professional to 107 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 3: help you. There are people who do this for a living, right, 108 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 3: They know how to do this, and they charge roughly 109 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 3: fifteen dollars of valid signature. So signature gets verified, you 110 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 3: get billed fifteen bucks. That comes out to about seven 111 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars to just get on the ballot to run, right, 112 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 3: Just to run, you would have to be able to 113 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 3: raise seven hundred thousand dollars. 114 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 4: And that says nothing about about being competitive, especially in 115 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 4: Indiana's media market. 116 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: No, that's just to run. 117 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 3: The Republicans and Democrats, even the Libertarians don't I don't 118 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 3: have to do any of that because they have the 119 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 3: automatic ballot access and independent Kennedy. Now you don't have 120 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 3: to use professionals. You can try to do it on 121 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 3: your own. I tell you that people. That fails all 122 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 3: the time when people try to do it on their 123 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 3: own because they don't know, no fold to their own, 124 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 3: they don't know what they're doing. So this is what 125 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 3: this group what are they called Independent Indiana is going 126 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 3: to run up against. And they're touting these local mayors 127 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 3: or council people across the state who have been elected 128 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 3: to various things. 129 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 2: Since two hundred and forty four. 130 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 4: Independents ran in twenty three to twenty four and partisan 131 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 4: races fifty two percent of them one, which is more 132 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 4: than half, but nearly one in three who lost still 133 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 4: received between thirty and forty nine percent of the vote. 134 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. 135 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 3: Look, I'm just making up a place. I've no oded 136 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 3: that this is right or not. I mean, this place 137 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 3: really exists, but I have no idea if their town 138 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 3: board is structured this way, if you're an independent and 139 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 3: you're on the town board in Coatesville, population eight, you might. 140 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: Actually be able to pull that off. 141 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 3: Good and good for you, right, and by the way 142 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 3: Hendricks County life are in no way to meeting the 143 00:06:58,560 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 3: people of Coatesville. 144 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: Very fine people. 145 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure just the first name, small town name 146 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 3: that came to my large cranium, Kendallville or Reelsville or. 147 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: New Harmony, or you don't pick any of them. Right. 148 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: You might be able to pull that off, but. 149 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 3: You're not moving the needle in terms of how the 150 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 3: state views breaking the stranglehold that Republican and Democrat parties 151 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 3: have on our electoral system. And order to do that, 152 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 3: you're gonna have to win a big one. You're gonna 153 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 3: have to score a big perch. Here's the other problem 154 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 3: with this. We've seen these quote unquote independents pull this 155 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 3: off before. Jesse vent Tura comes to mind. Technically at 156 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 3: a party, but he was an independent ross pro. Technically again, 157 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 3: had a party, he was independent. The problem is there's 158 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 3: no down ballot organization that happens as an independent because 159 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 3: you're just that, you're independent. You're on your own. You 160 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 3: don't elevate anybody with you. 161 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 4: And you don't get elevated by anybody that's right top 162 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 4: of the ballot. 163 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: That's right. 164 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 3: So say a me goes out and does this, which 165 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 3: if anybody could pull it off, it would be me. 166 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: Sure nobody's gonna be l elevated because of this. 167 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 3: That's why if I did it, would probably do it 168 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 3: as a libertarian because I wouldn't have to get the signatures. 169 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 3: I could save all that money and I'm going to 170 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 3: be running as an independent anyway. But God bless these 171 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 3: people for trying. And if they can, you know, make 172 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: any dent in the two party asphyxiation of the voters, great, 173 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 3: I just I don't see it happening when we're talking 174 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 3: about how the math actually works. 175 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 4: Okay, So they say their goals of Independent Indiana are 176 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 4: to highlight success stories. They have two hundred and forty 177 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 4: four to choose from, according to their own billboard. They 178 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 4: also want to educate and support independent candidates, support how 179 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 4: support financially Just at a boy, pat on the back, 180 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 4: were supporting you. They also want to push for electoral reforms. 181 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 4: And you know today is a big day with the 182 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 4: Secretary of State. He's got that election study public meeting, 183 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 4: Oh wow, happening today at twelve o'clock at the Indiana 184 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 4: Government Center south off the Harrison Hall, Room seventeen. If 185 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 4: you're you know, completely interesting. 186 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: What is it? What is it called? 187 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 4: It is the Election study public meeting? Oh, what is 188 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 4: your chance to discuss potential election changes? And I'm sure 189 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 4: Indiana keeps leading the way in election integrity. Okay, let's 190 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 4: starry seventh in this country, there's the word election integrity. 191 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 4: So let's take a pause. And because I want to 192 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 4: play the dirty Diego theme. Oh I really just want 193 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 4: to play the dirty Diego whatever the reason. 194 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 1: So let's take a. 195 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 3: Pause and then we'll do a show favorite when we 196 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 3: come back. We're going to crap all over Diego Morales. 197 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 3: Shall we Untila Caacy. It's ninety three w IBC. 198 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 2: Good morning, Dirty yay go, Oh, dirty yay go. 199 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 4: Oh, dirty yay go, Oh, dirty yay go. 200 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the official theme song of Indiana Secretary of State, 201 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 3: Diego Morales. 202 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 4: I'm glad you pointed out that he's Indiana's secretary of State. 203 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: That's right. 204 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 4: Although when he's globe trotting, he likes to play the 205 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 4: part of Marco Rubio. 206 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 3: Look Diego Morales. And by the way, that was Jerry Lopez. Yeah, 207 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 3: he's Spanglish. He did a great child with that, and 208 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 3: with keV putting together the protection element of that. That 209 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 3: is the official theme song of Diego Morales, because he 210 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 3: is a dirty rotten dude. And if you are at 211 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 3: these events and he shows up and you just let 212 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 3: him skedoodle out the door, or you pose with the 213 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 3: photo with him, or you shake his hand, or you 214 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 3: do anything that isn't calling him out on his disgusting, 215 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 3: gross unethical behavior, then you are enabling a dirty rotten 216 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 3: dude and you're a part of the problem. 217 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 4: You've got a chance today he'll be at the Election 218 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 4: Study public meeting. It's from noon until two at the 219 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 4: Indiana Government Center, South Harrison Hall, Room seventeen. 220 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 3: Okay, So here's the question that I continue to ask 221 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 3: about our elections, and no one can answer them for 222 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 3: me in the past twenty five years, because one of 223 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 3: the things Diego does very well, and I can't believe Roketa, 224 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 3: given his ego, or Connie Lawson whatever bunker she's hiding 225 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 3: in these days, or Holly Sullivan, he just he just 226 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 3: dumps all over these people, acting as though there was 227 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 3: just mass voter fraud taking place before he up put 228 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 3: his boot heels on and came, you know, came guns 229 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 3: slinging into town. 230 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: Right. 231 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 3: Why these people allow him to impune their integrity and 232 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 3: job performance is beyond me. None of them say a 233 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 3: word about In fact, Roket endorse the guy. 234 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: But can anybody. 235 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 3: Tell me the past twenty five years, I just picked 236 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 3: a random number because that's the turn of the century. 237 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 3: In any sort of wide scale, coordinated voter fraud that 238 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 3: has taken place in the state of Indiana, Yeah, anywhere? 239 00:11:58,400 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: Not sure? 240 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:00,839 Speaker 1: You know why you're I'm not sure. 241 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 2: Why it doesn't happen. Oh, that's why it does. 242 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 4: He likes to brag how we're ranked seventh in the 243 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 4: nation in election integrity. 244 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 2: How you rank that, I'm not sure. 245 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 3: Now that's not to say that somebody somewhere hasn't committed 246 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 3: some act of voter fraud, or some person illegally in 247 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:20,959 Speaker 3: the country hasn't attempted to vote it. But I'm saying 248 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 3: the magnet a voter operation, a voter fraud operation that 249 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 3: would warrant the gajillions of dollars we spend on an 250 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 3: annual basis. It's over nothing. It's over his ego. It's 251 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 3: over him being able to pump out his chest and 252 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 3: act like he's doing something. The reality is as long 253 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 3: as the elect and Connie Lawson told me this years ago, 254 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 3: and she showed this to Congress when it was after 255 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 3: the Trump Russia stuff. 256 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: She was talking about this. 257 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 3: Unless you hook the machine up to the Internet, which 258 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 3: the machines are not hooked up to the Internet, it's 259 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 3: almost impossible to coordinate a voter fraud effort because of 260 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 3: the way the election works, where both parties have multiple 261 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 3: people watching everything at one time. Nobody can tap into 262 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 3: the machine. Both parties have multiple people watching the machines 263 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 3: at all time. And voter identification if you have to 264 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 3: show an ID and two people are watching you, which 265 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 3: is what happens, and you look at the picture and 266 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 3: it looks like the person, and then you have them 267 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 3: sign which you have to and the signature matches in 268 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 3: the address matches. 269 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: Who made that was Todd Roedo. 270 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 2: Oh yes, but Diego is going to take credit for that. 271 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 1: But this is my point on this. 272 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 3: This is all dinner theater for him to pump out 273 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 3: his chest neck to you like he's doing something. It 274 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 3: doesn't exist because the machines aren't hooked to the Internet, 275 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 3: which means people can't tap into the machine and alter 276 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 3: the machine and voter ID means you have to be 277 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 3: who you are, and that's how you basically split a 278 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 3: stop to voter fraud, which is why not one person 279 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 3: can boy do any wide scale voter fraud that has. 280 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: Happened in the state in the past twenty five years. 281 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 4: All right, now, don't be fooled. He's not doing this 282 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 4: out of the goodness of his heart. He's doing this 283 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 4: because it's the law according to House en Rolled Acts 284 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 4: sixteen thirty three. He has to have these meetings, these 285 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 4: series of statewide studies. Now this time, they're going to 286 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 4: be finding out the timing of municipal elections, considering moving 287 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 4: them to presidential or midterm election years, and also the 288 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 4: use of vote centers across Indiana. 289 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 3: And then I'm not talking about I'm talking about this 290 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 3: election integrity stuff. 291 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: That phrase that he uses. 292 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 3: By the way, his election integrity, he's totally for screwing 293 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 3: you as a voter and rigging the election maps. That's 294 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 3: Diego's version of election integrity. He will totally make your 295 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 3: vote irrelevant. He's fine with that. My point on the 296 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 3: election integrity. 297 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: Is we have it. We already, we have had it. 298 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 3: There's nobody out there saying that they lost an election 299 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 3: because the machine was switching votes or I mean, somebody 300 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 3: might say that, but there's no verifiable. There's nobody out 301 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 3: there saying I lost because a bunch of illegal immigrants 302 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 3: came and voted for my opposition. It doesn't exist. I'm 303 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 3: not talking about That's fine. You want to look at 304 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 3: moving elections or vote centers or whatever. Don't care, Fine, 305 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 3: I'm talking about this. Oh I almost said it. This 306 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 3: bull crap thing that he does to make you think 307 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 3: that he's doing something when all the reality is he's 308 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 3: just continuing the work of his predecessors, which is, as 309 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 3: long as there's voter ID and the machines they hooked 310 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 3: up to the internet, right, it's almost. 311 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 4: Impossible to rig the election something that was already in 312 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 4: place before he took office. But he makes it seem 313 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 4: like it was the wild wild West before he took over. 314 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 3: Sure, of course he does, but he is a and 315 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 3: I will say this every opportunity. By the way, James 316 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 3: Briggs has an interesting new column out at The Indie 317 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 3: Star about bo Bie potentially running for Secretary of State 318 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 3: on the Democrat side. But the point is between now 319 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 3: and November of next year, every opportunity possible because he 320 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 3: is a shifty, shady, dishonest, unethical dude. Hey, Diego, who 321 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 3: paid for your ten day mysterious, magical mystery trip to India? 322 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: Exhibit A. 323 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 3: The prosecution rest your honor and I will use this 324 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 3: program every opportunity to remind people of who Diego Morales is. 325 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, at the end of all of these election study meetings, 326 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 4: he's going to compile a report for the General Assembly. 327 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 3: You mean he'll have someone else do it all, You know, 328 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 3: as I once heard a saying he couldn't spell cat. 329 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: If you gave him the C in the A. That's 330 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: Diego Morales. 331 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 4: All right, Jim Merritt is going to join us, coming up, 332 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 4: and we're going to talk about So there was a 333 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 4: tentative redistricting map that was floated out there on the internet. 334 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: The TV station put it out, Yeah they did. 335 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 4: And some people were saying that it came from a 336 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 4: member within the Indiana Republican Party. Other people are saying, no, 337 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 4: that wasn't from us, that was not from the Republican leadership. 338 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: This thing we're gonna get to. 339 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 3: This fascinates me because Hannah Adamson, who I know, she's 340 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 3: very nice, works for CBS, woar, Fox fifty nine put 341 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 3: this thing out, and like a bunch of people are saying, well, 342 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 3: this has been out on an anonymous account. 343 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 1: For a couple of years. No, not a while, Yeah, 344 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, A couple of weeks. The time 345 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: all runs together, Jase, I understand. 346 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 3: But the point of all this is they put this 347 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 3: out as some sort of legitimate thing, which means they 348 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 3: must have got it from someone legitimate or they're gonna 349 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 3: look like total idiots. So I'm fascinated on all of this, 350 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 3: and we will need someone who has drawn multiple maps, 351 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 3: Jim Marrett, to help us sort through it. 352 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 2: He's up next on ninety three WYBC. 353 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: So there's this new wild and wacky map. We don't 354 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 1: know if it's even real, but the TV. 355 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 3: Station said it is, and we love talking about h Yeah, 356 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 3: it's Kettle a Casey show. I'm Rob Casey's here, Luke 357 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 3: who it is? He's uh, while he's a crown jewel 358 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 3: of the of this award winning program thirty years in 359 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 3: the Indiana Senate, the Great Jim Merritt, Hello, Oh, Robert 360 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 3: go on. It's the nicest thing anybody says to me 361 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 3: all week, all right. So Hannah Adamson, who works for 362 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 3: CBS four and Fox fifty nine. She and I've talked 363 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 3: to her before. She seems very nice. I'll just read 364 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 3: this tweet she put out breaking a member of the 365 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 3: Indiana Republican Party has given us this tentative redistricting plan. 366 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 3: We're told several members of the Indiana House top were 367 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 3: given this map for their consideration over the weekend. We're 368 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 3: also told this map did not come from the Indiana 369 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 3: Republican Legislative leadership. Okay, I have so many questions about 370 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 3: this because Nicki Kelly, our friend and friend of this 371 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 3: show from the Capitol Chronicle, then came out and retweeted 372 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 3: this because hey, that map's been around for weeks. It 373 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 3: was some anonymous account on the internet that's now private. 374 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 3: And so I'm torn on this because boxerte nine, CBS 375 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 3: four hand Adams and must feel somebody decent gave that 376 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 3: to them or they would't throw outcause they're gonna look 377 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 3: like complete idiots if it doesn't end up looking anything 378 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 3: like it, or if they don't even do redistricting. But 379 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 3: there seems to be a lot of pushback on the 380 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 3: legitimacy of the map. So I'm very torn on this. 381 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 3: Did they just get played? Is there a little bit 382 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 3: of truth in it? 383 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: What say you? 384 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 5: There's fire behind the smoke? 385 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: So yes, I do. 386 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 2: I do believe. 387 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 3: If it's not the map, it could be something similar 388 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 3: to the map that she produced. Oh. 389 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: Absolutely. 390 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 5: And if you look at this map, it dilutes what 391 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 5: Congressman Frank Mervan Junior has up in Lake County. With 392 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 5: the first district, it creates a district in southwest Indiana, 393 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 5: and it creates nine Republican districts, whereas right now there 394 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 5: are seven Republican districts and two Democrat districts. 395 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: I don't like the word cuts up, but that's what 396 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: it does. 397 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 5: Yes, it tears apart the compact Marion County Democrat district 398 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 5: for Andre Carson. Congressman Carson, I believe will now run 399 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 5: for mayor of Indianapolis. 400 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 3: Okay, we'll get to that in a second. Okay, nice tea, 401 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 3: such little time. Nice tease, Jim, you're getting very good 402 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 3: as a broadcaster. But you're right, So Marrion Kenny gets 403 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 3: cut up into these three districts. Now, let's talk about 404 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 3: something with this, because people keep saying, well, why are 405 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 3: you so against this couple reasons. One, I do not 406 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 3: believe my money should go to benefit a my public 407 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 3: money should go to benefit one political party, which Andrew 408 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 3: Ireland has admitted this basically on our show last week 409 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 3: Kudos Dammy's honest about it. Braun basically said it with 410 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 3: Hammer and Nigel last week. This is a wholly political function. 411 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 3: There's no legitimate reason. There's no population increase that would 412 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 3: warrant this, there's nothing. This is totally to benefit the 413 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 3: Republican Party. So on, I don't think my money should 414 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 3: rig the electoral process for the Republicans to get more stuff, 415 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 3: because they screw me every single time. I'm not excited 416 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 3: about two more Jefferson Shreve type people being in the Congress. 417 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: So that's the first part of it. 418 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 3: The second part of it is, and this is so important, 419 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 3: Congressional maps are supposed to be about like representation, which 420 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 3: means you should the districts should have, wherever possible, the 421 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 3: same interest because that's what a representative does. He or 422 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 3: she goes to Washington represents you in my new little district. 423 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 3: I guess I'm now in the sixth. It's Handled Kendall 424 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 3: for Congress Kendall for this radio show until they send 425 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 3: me out in a boxer and handcuffs. No matter how 426 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 3: much you people try, it's not happening to him. Okay, 427 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 3: So my new district under this map, it's half of 428 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 3: Marion County. It stretches all the way down to Gibson County, 429 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 3: which is about as far southwest as you can go. 430 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 3: Me and Hendricks County. I have nothing in common with 431 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 3: Gibson County and thus how do you properly represent that district? 432 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 3: Because you have people who are or interests that are 433 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 3: at odds with each other potentially, Well. 434 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 5: It wouldn't surprise you, Robert, But I'm a rule follower. 435 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 5: Yes you are well, and you know in twenty in 436 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 5: nineteen ninety one and twenty one and twenty eleven, and 437 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 5: I was, we grew maps and they were fair, and 438 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,479 Speaker 5: being in the Indiana Senate, we did it with a 439 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 5: census and we have but it is really fair, responsible 440 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 5: laws that guide you on how to do maps, and 441 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 5: it's every ten years. Obviously they can do this because 442 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 5: nothing in state law or the constitution says they don't have. 443 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: To do it. 444 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 5: But elbertge Gary, who was a Massachusetts citizen, who ended 445 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 5: up being Vice President of the United States. He was 446 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 5: really the first one that tore apart Massachusetts maps and 447 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 5: called it Jerrymanderin. And so when you look at when 448 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 5: you look at, for instance, you look at Congressman the 449 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 5: congresswoman sparts district Hamelin County in this map, and I 450 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 5: believe there's fire behind this smoke. Folks that her district 451 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 5: will go from Hamilin County all the way to Allen County. Uh, 452 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 5: they're going to dilute, uh, Congressman Mervan, so that most 453 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 5: of northwest Indiana is in that district rather than a 454 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 5: district that hovers around Lake County. 455 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:30,719 Speaker 3: Uh. 456 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,959 Speaker 5: They chop up Marion County so that everybody takes a 457 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 5: little bit, everybody, meaning the current members of Congress take 458 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 5: a little bit out of Marion County so that that 459 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 5: district goes away. And it just they're and they're doing 460 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 5: all of this blatantly politically. 461 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 3: They're doing they're doing all of this because they have 462 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 3: not been able, none of these reps, none of these 463 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 3: state reptor senators, have it able to come out and 464 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 3: he oh, there's a flood of people calling me demanding 465 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 3: I do this. They're totally doing this to Donald Trump 466 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 3: and the risks they're gonna run. And this is why 467 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 3: Houston braidn't want. 468 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: A part of it. 469 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 3: Is there's a lot of people and polling Casey case 470 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 3: and I talk about this all the time. Trump is 471 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 3: beloved in the base of the Republic, like the base 472 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 3: base of the party. The polling has him somewhere between 473 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 3: forty and forty five. He's not wowing humanity. There's gonna 474 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 3: be a lot of pissed off people in the swing 475 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 3: state House and state Senate races. But are gonna be like, 476 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 3: this is stupid and they're going to vote for the 477 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 3: Democrat and they may end up losing House and Senate 478 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 3: seats out. 479 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 5: And it never It's always the case since he came 480 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 5: on the scene. If Donald Trump is on the ballot, 481 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 5: he offers a win behind the back if you will vote. 482 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 5: When he is off the ballot, it doesn't he can't 483 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 5: use those those those powers to power somebody into office. 484 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,959 Speaker 5: So it remains to be seen how powerful this is. 485 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 5: But I do believe this this floating of this map, 486 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 5: it is a month old. I do believe it came 487 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 5: out of Washington, d C. But there's trouble, and when 488 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 5: they're doing this, there be lawsuits. And abdul on Statehouse 489 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 5: Happenings talks a lot about this, that there will be lawsuits. 490 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 5: It's a time thing. But everybody needs to know. You 491 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 5: can run for Congress. 492 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 1: In any seat you want to. Yeah, you don't have 493 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 1: to live there, you don't have to live there, and 494 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: so you do once you get it, once you win. 495 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 5: A friend of the program Representative Haggard, Yes, he can 496 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 5: run in the Bear district, he can run in Jefferson Trees. 497 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 3: He's friends with air quotes, Casey, friends with air quotes, 498 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 3: but he now lives. 499 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 5: If this map comes and this is going to be 500 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 5: a there's gonna be a variation of what this map 501 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 5: says because it does exactly what everybody wants it to do. 502 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 5: In the Republican Party dilutes to two congressional seats that 503 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 5: are Democrat. 504 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 1: Right now, Okay, real quick before I go. 505 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 3: Your big thing that you said in State House Happenings, 506 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 3: and I thought that was was fascinating. So you everybody 507 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 3: can do a society can do the big old happy dance. Hey, 508 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 3: we got rid of Andre Carson. If indeed you do 509 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 3: Andre Carson is not going to work at Wendy's. No, 510 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 3: he's not gonna be, you know, stacking electronics at the Walmart. 511 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 3: Your theory is he will take both of his middle 512 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 3: fingers extend him at the Republican Party and. 513 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: Say welcome to Mayor Andre Carson. 514 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 5: Absolutely, and I think Joe Hogson, who may or may 515 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 5: not run who who? I don't care, but but he 516 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 5: is in trouble politically as well as VOP or anybody 517 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 5: else that wants to be mayor of Indianapolis. You're gonna 518 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 5: see Mayor Carson in UH and he will inflict. 519 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 3: So much pain just to get even with people there 520 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 3: may not even be in Indianapolis by the time Carson, Carson. 521 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 5: And anybody and everybody else look at his politics and 522 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,479 Speaker 5: how he handles things in Washington, d C. 523 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: You think Hoggs that's bad? Get ready, bow and he 524 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: will be powerful. 525 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 2: Jim. 526 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,239 Speaker 4: Before you go, I've got one last question. You had 527 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,360 Speaker 4: mentioned this as a floater, and I agree with you. 528 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 4: But there are some counties, and I'll give you some examples, 529 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 4: obviously Marion, but also Allen and Saint Joe County that 530 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 4: are completely split in the middle. 531 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,959 Speaker 2: Of the county. Why do that and at least not 532 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 2: stick with the county line. 533 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 5: Well, it goes back to, you know, with with Carson, 534 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 5: there's a powerful Democrat base in Saint Joe in South 535 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 5: Bend and what they're what they're diluting it. So you know, 536 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 5: Marlon Stutsman, who represents the district up there, Congressman Marlin 537 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 5: Marlon Stutsman or whoever follows him, takes some part of 538 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 5: that sandwich, if you will, and as well as Congressman 539 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 5: Rudy Yakam, so you take you know, you separate Democrat votes, 540 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 5: and the Democrat Party is the fire coats out. 541 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 4: So there's no thing keeping like minded people together in 542 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 4: an area. For example, they have Elkhart County in a 543 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 4: different district than part of Saint Joe County, when if 544 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 4: you live there, you know that's where people travel back 545 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 4: and forth too. 546 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 5: That's exactly right. And all the prerequisites that we have 547 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 5: done for the last forty or fifty or six however long, 548 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 5: are gone. And you have to say, this is a 549 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 5: brazen political attempt and this is what's going to be. 550 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 5: You know, we talk about this map was just floated. 551 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 5: There is fire behind this smoke. 552 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 3: Well sure, and there's Fire Behind Your segment Every Darkness 553 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 3: with Us Jim Merritt. Find him on Twitter at Jim Underscore, 554 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 3: Underline Merritt. Jim Merritt Merrit in the Morning is the 555 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 3: podcast YouTube as well as Facebook. Jim Merritt, Thank you, 556 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 3: Thank you. 557 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 2: It's Kennilly Casey on ninety three WIBC. 558 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: WHOA the Lonees? 559 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 3: Did you see that they're down to one councilor in 560 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 3: the Indianapolis City County Council. They need one more counselor 561 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 3: to come out against this Google data center in Franklin 562 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 3: Township and they'll have enough votes to squash the thing. 563 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, Jessica McCormick came out and said she opposes it. 564 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: So all right. 565 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 3: So here's how the Indianapolis City government works. It's a 566 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 3: little different than probably the way your town or city 567 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 3: government works. So like for example, or I live in Warehouseberg, 568 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 3: the Planning Commission makes a recommendation and then the council 569 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 3: either accepts it or rejects it. Right, it's a majority vote. 570 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 3: There's five people in the council, so you need three 571 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 3: in Indianapolis City government when they're equivalent of the planning 572 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 3: commission makes a recommendation. There is now a higher threshold. 573 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 3: I think it's excuse me, sixty percent as the threshold. 574 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 3: So there's twenty five five members of the city County Council. 575 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 3: You've got to get more than it would be thirteen 576 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 3: if it were just a majority. You've got to get 577 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 3: fifteen people. So they've got fourteen now out of twenty five, 578 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 3: and they need one more counselor in order to kill 579 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 3: this massive data center that the people of Franklin Township 580 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 3: have been in staunch opposition, thousands of signatures, hundreds of 581 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 3: people showing up to these meetings, and now they're just 582 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 3: according to Jacob Stewart, our friend of the show from 583 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 3: the Indianapolis Star, they're down to one needing just one 584 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 3: more person. 585 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 4: Nick Roberts said that he's been collecting the facts about 586 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,959 Speaker 4: it and he plans to make a post about his 587 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 4: thoughts sometime soon. 588 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 3: Now what's fascinating is Joe Hogg set desperately wants this 589 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 3: data center, and he's the group that he helps spearhead, 590 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 3: the Economic Development counselor commissioner, whatever they're called over there. 591 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 3: They have come out in support of this, and so 592 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 3: essentially you would be bucking the mayor. And we've seen 593 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 3: how hog Set hands when people don't do what he wants. 594 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 3: So it's a real conundrum for those still on the 595 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 3: fence of how do you weigh a clear, clear outrage 596 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 3: not just opposition, but outrage from the people of Franklin 597 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 3: Township versus versus his mayorness and his ability to hold 598 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 3: a grudge and make people go splat who don't do 599 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 3: what he wants. 600 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 4: So you've got counselor heart and he's kind of it 601 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 4: seems like maybe spearheading this. 602 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: Well. So Michael Paul Hart, the former Republican. 603 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 3: Leader, it's so funny to say because there's six of them, 604 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 3: there's six out of twenty five. But he was removed 605 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 3: from being too mean to hog Set, right, Maori and 606 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 3: a Knee and the rest of those worthless nimrods thought 607 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 3: that he was too mean to hog Set. We need 608 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 3: to be nicer to hog Set. We need to play 609 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 3: nicer with hog Set, And so they removed him as 610 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 3: the as the leader, he has sort of taken the 611 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 3: led the charge on this and uh, we'll see. I mean, 612 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 3: look these look these data everybody knows these data centers 613 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 3: are they're resource sucking vampires that don't employ people. They 614 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 3: exist solely to serve the master, which in this case, 615 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 3: the master is the mega court behind it, which in 616 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 3: this case is essentially Google, And they're really when essuisly 617 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 3: when you factor in the freebies and benefits given away, 618 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:34,959 Speaker 3: either from the local municipality and or the INNED Economic 619 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 3: Development Corporation, you're talking a decade or more before there's 620 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 3: any sort of payoff, sometimes multiple decades before there's any 621 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 3: sort of payoff to the community. And people are like, no, 622 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 3: I like my lights being able to be turned on. 623 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 3: I like being able to get. 624 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: And this is what you're talking about. 625 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 3: We're going to move out of the phase of Wow, 626 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 3: electricity is unaffordable. You're eventually going to hit for a 627 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 3: of electricity is unavailable, right. And if you're living in 628 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 3: a sixteen hundred square foot ranch home and the choice 629 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 3: is to be your light's going on or Google keeping 630 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 3: the power on, the politicians are going to choose Google. 631 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 3: And people recognize this. They're waking up to how dangerous 632 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 3: these data centers are going to be. That's what We're 633 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 3: not even talking about the water aspect of it. We're 634 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 3: just talking about the pure power aspect of it and 635 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 3: people in these communities. I think tomorrow there's a group 636 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,719 Speaker 3: in Martinsville that's fighting one of these data centers. It's 637 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 3: going to be on with us, and I think people 638 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 3: are saying. 639 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 4: Enough enough when it comes to the Franklin Township data center. 640 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 2: Would you be surprised if it were Christa Carlino? 641 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 3: Well said no, I don't know, because I don't know 642 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 3: what hog Set has on. 643 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 2: And then would she change her mind back? 644 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 3: Well, that's the point that I don't know what hog 645 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 3: Set has on these people that he leverages over them. 646 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 3: This is the question I've asked for years for a 647 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 3: guy who disappeared during the riots and is a personal 648 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 3: dumpster fire slash train wreck. 649 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: Nobody seems to everyone to speak. 650 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 3: Out about the mayor, and yet they not only don't 651 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 3: speak out about him, and they remain totally subservient to him 652 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 3: in many cases. And so the question is why what 653 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 3: does he have on everybody? They have nudes of everybody. 654 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 3: What does he have on these people that they won't 655 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 3: push back on? 656 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,959 Speaker 1: Joe hog Set? And he clearly wants this data center. 657 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 3: So it'll be fascinating to see if they can get 658 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 3: the last vote is always the hardest casing. 659 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 2: Just one more, they can do it. 660 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: One is the loneliest number. 661 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, there is another data center. This one's coming to 662 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 4: Michigan City. It's got a nickname. It's called Project Maze. 663 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 3: You know, anything that has the IDC behind he always 664 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,240 Speaker 3: has project Like I just found out in my little 665 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 3: community over there, Warehouse Berg on the West Side with the. 666 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: Heart PROJECTO Project Tahoe. They wouldn't tell you what it does. 667 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: And they still won't tell me. 668 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 3: They still won't tell me the benefits that the state 669 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 3: is giving to HarperCollins. I guess I just have to 670 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 3: pay the taxes. I don't get to know where the 671 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 3: taxes go, get. 672 00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: To know their peasants. 673 00:34:59,280 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 2: Just do as you're tal. 674 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 3: The reason we're talking and this So this proposed one 675 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 3: in Michigan City is interesting because they're bypassing the local investment. 676 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 3: It's an it's an existing building that they are Most 677 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 3: these data centers are being built from the ground up, 678 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 3: so they've got to take a farm field and go 679 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 3: through the zoning process. Well, what these people in Michigan 680 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 3: City have figured out, if we take an existing building 681 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,280 Speaker 3: that's already zoned for the thing we can just basically 682 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 3: soup it up to fit our needs. We eliminate a 683 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 3: whole bunch of red tape and citizen input. 684 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,839 Speaker 4: Well, this is already zoned for light industrial use, so 685 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 4: they're not going to need any city approval required to proceed. 686 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 3: And they're not asking for any city incentives, et cetera. 687 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,800 Speaker 3: It appears like they're just going to go it alone 688 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 3: and they'll get the money done through the IDC. 689 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, they are going to get some state incensive some 690 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 4: some for. 691 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: Five years. 692 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 2: Is that the official you say? 693 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: I have some? How many? 694 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 2: Is that forty one million? 695 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 3: And look, I think while there would be still be 696 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 3: serious concerns about these data centers because of the things 697 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 3: we laid out the electricity, the water, et cetera, which 698 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 3: I still haven't been answered, I think people would have 699 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 3: much less than an objection if these data centers just 700 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 3: walked in and started paying the full freight from the 701 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 3: moment they hit the ground running. I mean like, in 702 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 3: this case, this data center could pay five hundred thousand 703 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 3: dollars a year in property tax. They're not asking for abatement, 704 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 3: so boom go. But then when you factor in I'm 705 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 3: paying for it to the tune. As a taxpayer. I 706 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,800 Speaker 3: don't live in Michigan City, but as a state tax payer, 707 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 3: forty one million dollars a year casey going up there, right, 708 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 3: that's ridiculous. If these data centers came in without the incentives, 709 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 3: I think people would be much more open to them 710 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 3: because they'd actually be paying the full freight in their 711 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 3: first share. 712 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 4: So this data center in Michigan City, it's from an 713 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 4: old wiper blade factory. So is this Midwest tech glow 714 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 4: up fiber in the cornfield? I mean, that's how they're 715 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,240 Speaker 4: billing it with Project may Well. 716 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 3: The issue with this one though, is they're they're not 717 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 3: plowing over farmland. It's an existing thing. This is actually 718 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 3: pretty smart by these people because they recognize if we 719 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 3: just find something that's already zoned for the thing, we 720 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 3: eliminate a huge level of input, which is because the 721 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 3: zoning change is the public hearing when you go to 722 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 3: your local planning commission and you and then your city 723 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 3: government or town government or whatever, in order to get 724 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 3: a zoning change. It's something zoned for agriculture, like, hey, 725 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 3: it's been a farm field, which most of these are, 726 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 3: and you want to make it industrial. 727 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:36,879 Speaker 1: It has to go through the. 728 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 3: Public hearing processes plural, and that gives the citizens opportunity 729 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 3: to speak. Well, if you just cut out the zoning change, 730 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 3: you cut out the public hearing for public. 731 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, if you just remove the public's thoughts on it, absolutely. 732 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 3: If you don't give a damn about the community and 733 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,840 Speaker 3: you just want your stuff, which is, let's face it, 734 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,319 Speaker 3: that's how these data centers operate, and most people behind 735 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 3: them operate. 736 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: It's actually a brilliant move. It's actually really well done 737 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 1: on their part. 738 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 4: So they have a developer, Phoenix Investors, which is based 739 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 4: out of Milwaukee. 740 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 3: You notice it's never like it's always so and so 741 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,800 Speaker 3: investors or hedge fund or whatever. 742 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: It's never Larry and Larry and Sharon. 743 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,360 Speaker 4: Well, it's an eight hundred and thirty million dollar investment, 744 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,320 Speaker 4: So Larry and Sharon, you know, Yeah, they're not a diamond. 745 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: Larry and Sharon are gonna have the community destroyed. 746 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 3: They don't get to invest, they're just gonna have everything 747 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 3: run over for them. 748 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, they said that it's going to create thirty permanent 749 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 4: jobs twenty thirty four. 750 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 3: So ten years, nine years, Yeah, you'll get a whopping 751 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 3: thirty jobs. 752 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 4: And they said that it's not going to raise the 753 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,359 Speaker 4: electricity costs for any residents. And the cooling system will 754 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 4: be a closed loop water cooling system which will have 755 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 4: less of a lasts. It's less, yes, less of it, 756 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 4: not zero, sure, but less all right. Donald Trump said 757 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,400 Speaker 4: some stuff yesterday. 758 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 1: He did they blew up something that was kind of 759 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: cool yep. 760 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 4: And he made his big announcement, which we'll discuss coming 761 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 4: up from ninety three WYBC 762 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 1: No.