1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: So usually it is Mike Johnson, the Speaker. 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 2: Of the House, who has a they have a big 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 2: thing in the morning, right, big thing midday. Hey, it's 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 2: day X number of the shutdown. And here's why Democrats 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: are terrible, and they do that every single day, and 6 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 2: today they didn't do that. So I was expecting to 7 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 2: be able to bring that to you, and it ain't there, 8 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you. 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 2: So instead I bring you Ed Morrissey of hotair dot com. 10 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: Because when you can't get the Speaker of the House, 11 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 2: you get the Speaker of the Internet. That's that's what 12 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: that's what we call them. 13 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 3: That's okay, I'll take that Speaker of the Internet. I 14 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 3: might have to add to my bio Tony on that. 15 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 3: That's I'm writing it down as we speak. 16 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, except I realized how awesome that was when I 17 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: said it, and I've already taken it for myself. 18 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: It's a shame. You're close, so very very close. 19 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: We're on day twenty four of the shutdown, Ed Morrissey, 20 00:00:55,640 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: and this cannot be described as a victory at all 21 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: for the Democratic Party. And I do believe that it 22 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 2: brings into view the leadership of Akiem Jeffries in the 23 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: House and Chuck Schumer in the Senate. Now, I think 24 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 2: that a Keem Jefferies has more runway and more opportunity 25 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: for a future than Chuck Schumer. But first, let's start 26 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 2: with the basics. Ed Marci, Twenty four days into the shutdown, 27 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 2: have Democrats convinced anybody that they're on the quote unquote 28 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 2: right side, or on the up and up, or they're 29 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 2: actually engaged in a conversation of value about not voting 30 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: on this continuing resolution. 31 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting because we do have data from 32 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 3: that about that from the Democrats themselves. They have their 33 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 3: own polling on this, and they leaked it to Jake 34 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 3: Sherman a punch bowl, right, and this was I think 35 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 3: two days ago, and they said, look, voters are blaming 36 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 3: Republicans for the shutdown. And the data was forty five 37 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 3: forty two, which is basically an even split. You know, 38 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 3: when you understand margins of error in polling in surveys, 39 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 3: forty five forty two is a tie. And the fact 40 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 3: that they leaked this to try to spin this as 41 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 3: some sort of triumph for Democrats in this is really 42 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 3: a mark of incredible desperation, and I would agree with you. 43 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 3: I think that the actual leadership question here is not 44 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,119 Speaker 3: necessarily HAKM. Jeffries. It's Chuck Schumer. He's the one who 45 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 3: is quarterbacking this effort. And Chuck Schumer declined to do 46 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 3: this back in March. He had an opportunity to do 47 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 3: a shutdown back in March, and he rebuked the left 48 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 3: side of his party, saying it would not work out 49 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 3: well for them because it would allow Donald Trump to 50 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 3: control the narrative in the shutdown. He got bullied into 51 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 3: doing it this time. And I mean, honestly, this is 52 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 3: proving March twenty twenty five Chuck Schumer correct, and it's 53 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 3: October twenty twenty five Chuck Schumer that's paying the price 54 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 3: for it right now. The polling that matters on this, 55 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:01,119 Speaker 3: because I'm convinced, Tony, that nobody really cares about government shutdowns, 56 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 3: their stunts. Voters have seen them come and go for 57 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 3: thirty years now. Nobody really thinks that they're serious or real. 58 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 3: Eventually they're going to come to some sort of agreement 59 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 3: and they're going to just fund the stuff that was 60 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 3: happening in the meantime. Anyway, the vote. The polling that 61 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 3: matters is the generic ballot polling. And I think what's interesting, 62 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 3: and these are small changes, and I'm going to preface 63 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 3: this with that context, but what's interesting is that Democrats 64 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 3: haven't improved their position on the generic ballot. In fact, 65 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 3: over the last three weeks or so, it's actually declined 66 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 3: by about half. And so they're going in the wrong 67 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 3: direction with this. And I suspect that at the end 68 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 3: of this, there's going to be a real necessary self 69 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 3: accounting within the Democrat Party as to who, what direction 70 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 3: they need to go in, and what it is that 71 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 3: they're trying to do, because right now, the only thing 72 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 3: that they're actually doing is just still freaking out about 73 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 3: Donald Trump. And they did that for two years prior 74 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 3: to this, and they ended up losing an election over it. 75 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 3: It's leadership just doesn't seem to be so literal anything 76 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 3: other than facilitani Africa. 77 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: I want you to take a step back. 78 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 2: Talking to Ed Marcy of hotair dot com, Schumer in 79 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: March avoided the shutdown. 80 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: Listen, this was a better thing to. 81 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 2: Do, and he sounded ridiculous and explaining it because he 82 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 2: is afraid of the progressive base. As we know that 83 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: that's not a fake conversation. That is a very accurate 84 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: understanding of where a lot of people are on the 85 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 2: political left who understand reality even though their base does not. 86 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 2: This time around, he doesn't want to be seen this 87 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 2: week like he was the last time around. You're discussing 88 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: the idea of the demons, right, You're discussing these demons 89 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 2: that existed in the last shutdown conversation, and they happen 90 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 2: far too often, and America has become a nerd to it, 91 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 2: and how he is listening to those as opposed to 92 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: dealing with the reality of now. How So, in your assessment, 93 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 2: that's what I gleaned from what you were saying. So 94 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 2: in your assessment, exactly how much has he misread his 95 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: own tea leaves. 96 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 3: Well, I'm not even sure he's misreading them. I think 97 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 3: he's just trying to cover his own rear end. I 98 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 3: honestly think that he understands that this is not going 99 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 3: to be a game changer, that shutdowns are not game changers. 100 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 1: You win. 101 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 3: You know, the people who start shutdowns always lose the shutdowns. 102 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 3: I think Schumer went into this knowing that, and I 103 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 3: think that he thinks the damage will be minimal anyway, 104 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 3: and so. 105 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: It was worth it. 106 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 3: It would be worth it to do it for a 107 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 3: few weeks to gin up the protests, you know, the 108 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 3: no Kings thing. And I've always said that after the 109 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 3: no Kings protests were over that probably there's going to 110 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 3: be some you know, fade here where enough Senate Democrats 111 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 3: get on board to pass the c R so they 112 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 3: can get to the next phase. Right now, they can't 113 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 3: even really have a negotiation now at the end of 114 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 3: if they even passed a CR, because this CR will 115 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 3: expire I think November twenty first, right the third week 116 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 3: of November. They're going to have to pass another CR 117 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 3: on top of this CR in order to have the 118 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 3: negotiations that they want so then get the ACA subsidies 119 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 3: question settled before the end of the year. They're running 120 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 3: out of runway on this, and so I think that 121 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 3: we're coming to the end of this, and I think 122 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 3: Schumer is just going to pull the plug on it 123 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 3: basically because he's gotten what he wanted out of it. 124 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 3: He got a chance to show he got a chance 125 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 3: to show that he was tough, and now now he 126 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 3: can back off and say, well, let's let's. 127 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: Get to the second. This is what shows he's tough. 128 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: He can sit there look like a demonic freak. He 129 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 2: was giving a speech the other day about how the 130 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 2: press is covering for Donald Trump and how dangerous. 131 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: It is to have a society where. 132 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 2: The press covers for the president. 133 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: Of the United States. 134 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 2: And I said, I was on Newsmax, and I said, 135 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer gives speeches the way he makes cheeseburgers. 136 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: It is just ridiculous and backwards. There's no fire to it. 137 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 1: It's just none sense. And nobody would eat that crap. 138 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: And so when you say. 139 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 2: To me, he got what he wanted out of it, 140 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 2: that is to make the assumption that people are willing 141 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 2: to eat that crap. 142 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: Who in the world is grabbing a fork and digging. 143 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 3: In Well, let me put it this way. He gave 144 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 3: him the shutdown that they wanted. It didn't do any good. 145 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 3: He'll wrap it up in order to get to other negotiations. 146 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 3: He's kind of made it in a way. He's kind 147 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 3: of made his point from back in March, which is 148 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 3: that you can do this, but it's not going to 149 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 3: do anything right. You can't keep this thing shut down forever, 150 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 3: because it is at least become clear to everybody that 151 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 3: when you're in a government shut down, the president controls 152 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 3: what happens in the government, and you're basically handing power 153 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 3: to Donald Trump. They're screaming about no kings, and at 154 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 3: the same time, they've basically abdicated all of the legislative 155 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 3: authority now and the only authority that's left is executive 156 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 3: and judicial. And there's news on that too. By the way, 157 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 3: one of the things that the Trump administration announced us 158 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 3: I think yesterday, is that they are now saying they 159 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 3: can deny congressmen and senators access to ice facilities because 160 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 3: it was actually in the funding bill of the last 161 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 3: budget that allows that has a prohibition of using funding 162 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 3: mechanisms to prohibit access by members of Congress to ice facilities. 163 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,719 Speaker 3: Now that the budget has expired, so has that prohibition, 164 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 3: and they're in court trying to They're in court trying 165 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 3: to use that same section. The Democrats are arguing in 166 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 3: court that section requires them requires Trump to allow them 167 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 3: into ice facilities, and he said that section doesn't exist anymore. 168 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 3: The budget's over, it's expired, so that section technically doesn't 169 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 3: exist any longer. This is part of the problem. You 170 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 3: hand all the power to the president and you can't 171 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 3: control the outcomes, right, And that's what chucks Er was 172 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 3: arguing about March too. 173 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: I don't disagree. 174 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 2: Talking to Ed Marcy over at hotair dot com, I 175 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 2: argue that Chuck Schumer's first of all, I've said this 176 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 2: about Chuck Schumer, I've said this about Hakeem Jeffries. 177 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: Neither one of them is a wartime consilieri. They don't 178 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: know how to fight. Now. 179 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 2: I can argue that Nancy Pelosi had more tools to 180 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 2: fight with, but she was clearly a better fighter and 181 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 2: a better strategist than either one of them. Chuck Schumer 182 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 2: can't fight, and I do believe that his leadership time 183 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 2: is done. 184 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: If there is a. 185 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 2: Challenge from Representative of Costio Cortez, I believe he is 186 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 2: going to lose. Right now, things could certainly change, and 187 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 2: no matter what, it's going to damage him in a 188 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 2: way that's going to keep him from being. 189 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: An effective leader of the Senate. Hakeem Jeffries is different. 190 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 2: I find him reprehensible in his presentations. I thought his 191 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 2: back and forth with Representative Mike Lawler in the hallways contemptible. 192 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 2: What is this nonsense that you're trying to put on there, 193 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 2: the one big ugly bill? 194 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: Did your boss let you vote for this? You know, 195 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: Trump's your boss. 196 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 2: You work for Trump, as if none of them worked 197 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 2: for Joe Biden. It's it's it's a maddening proposition. But 198 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 2: I don't think that his his leadership of the House 199 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 2: Democrats is in question. 200 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I might think it's it's 201 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: as strong as ever. 202 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 2: Is there any weakness that has shown up in his 203 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 2: leadership of the Democrats? Even though my main point still 204 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 2: holds wartime consulieri, he is not. 205 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 3: No, I think you're right. You know, Nancy Pelosi's Italian too, 206 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 3: so that you got that going on for wartime consulieri. 207 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 3: So you know, hey, as long as we're quoting, you 208 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 3: know that that was the problem with Tom Haigen and 209 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 3: The Godfather. Right, Well, he's not a Sicilian, so he's 210 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:54,359 Speaker 3: not a wartime consuliery. 211 00:10:55,559 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: Nobody sounded nobody absolutely, But what is that? 212 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 2: Good gosh, that's like the Michael Bay version of The 213 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 2: Godfather and then there's explosion in the background. 214 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: What in the world? 215 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 3: At any rate, No, I agree with you, they're not 216 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 3: they're not very good strategists, and and part of the 217 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 3: reason for that is that they have completely abdicated strategy 218 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 3: in favor of venting. Really, I mean, this is all 219 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 3: just this huge emote campaign. Donald Trump is the devil, right, 220 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 3: this is Kathy Bates and in the water boy, you know, 221 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 3: Donald Trump is the devil. And so anything that the 222 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 3: Donald Trump is doing. Look at the renovation of the 223 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 3: east wing, right, this whole freak out, Oh God, renovating 224 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 3: the east Wing. And the only reason why they're freaking 225 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 3: out about it is because Donald Trump is doing it. 226 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 3: It's it's just a normal type of upgrade. Were a 227 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 3: facility that is, you know, deeply necessary. We don't have 228 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 3: a place where we can do state dinners. We just 229 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 3: don't have the capacity for it. They have to build 230 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 3: tents on the lawn in order to do those things. 231 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 3: And so this is this is the whole thing, is 232 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 3: they have made their focus so obsessively donald Trump that 233 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 3: they don't have room for strategy. There's their whole idea 234 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 3: of strategy is just knee jerk automatic opposition to anything 235 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 3: Donald Trump does or says. And it's absurd. And that's 236 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 3: the reason why they don't have room for strategy. Nancy Pelosi, 237 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 3: for all of her faults, would never find yourself in 238 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 3: a trap like that. 239 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 2: No, No, she she wouldn't. And the word on the 240 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 2: street is that she's looking for the exits. And Nancy 241 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 2: Pelosi is not going to run again. An age catches 242 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 2: up with everybody. And I think when she snapped at 243 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 2: that reporter and she had to be guided away, she 244 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 2: looked old. And I wonder if she looked at that 245 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 2: and said, Okay, my time, here is my effectiveness near, 246 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 2: here is done. Can the Democrats rely on Hakeem Jeffries 247 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 2: to hold them together? Certainly, if they win the House, 248 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 2: they can because he's going to rule like she did, 249 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:17,839 Speaker 2: a full on iron fist. But can Democrats really rely 250 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 2: on this leadership to see them through the Trump years 251 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 2: and what could very well be the advanced years of 252 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 2: Rubio years or other years. 253 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. And I'm not even sure 254 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 3: that Hakem Jeffries can do what Nancy Pelosi did. Nancy 255 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 3: Pelosi had the iron fist because she had a control 256 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 3: of a massive amount of fundraising. I mean, her grip 257 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 3: on power was all about the money. She was raising 258 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 3: money for her favorite candidates and anybody who opposed her. 259 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 3: It was a sort of a brutal I mean, you're 260 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 3: talking about wartime constantly. Area that was really what that 261 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 3: was about. I don't think Hakeen Jeffries has the same 262 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 3: ties to the donor base that Nancy Pelosi developed over 263 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 3: her decades in Congress. I don't think he's got that. 264 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 3: He's in power largely because she let him be empowered, right, 265 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 3: and once she's gone, I don't know that he survives 266 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 3: it for very long. 267 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: But I don't know. 268 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 3: Then again, I don't know who else you're gonna have 269 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 3: that steps up to replace him in the House. 270 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 2: Democrat Caucus and the squad doth live to see another day? 271 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 2: You tell me no, but I'm telling you one should 272 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 2: be very very wary. 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