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Speaker 1: Why from vall Hartband and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Kats Today.

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Speaker 2: Chances are you're not gonna like the piece deal. What

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Speaker 2: does that have to do with anything? This weird argument

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Speaker 2: of what a terrible deal? I get it. I agree,

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Speaker 2: we understand. What's whom sweet deal?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: You mean President Trump? I mean Vladimir Putin? I mean

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Speaker 2: Vladimir Zelenski. What is it that you thought was going

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Speaker 2: to take place? That's the question before us, Tony Katz,

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz today, that's the name of the show. Good

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Speaker 2: to be with You find everything at Tony kats dot com.

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Speaker 3: The possibility of a peace deal.

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Speaker 2: More and more, you realize something that we said here

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Speaker 2: was absolutely true and in every way true. The two

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Speaker 2: rules of trump Ism remain. The first rule of trump

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Speaker 2: Ism is that Trump wins. The second rule of trump

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Speaker 2: Ism is that a deal can always be made as

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Speaker 2: long as it adheres to the first rule.

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Speaker 3: Of trump Ism.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, that's this deal, a deal that would

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Speaker 2: see Russia get more land than they may have right now,

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Speaker 2: get control of the dune bus. Yes, these areas are

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Speaker 2: ethnically Russian, but that's not the story. They're getting rewarded

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Speaker 2: for an invasion as opposed to being pushed back. Since

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Speaker 2: when does America not push back? Since maybe it can't

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Speaker 2: afford it financially, can't afford it doesn't have the will

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Speaker 2: to do it. As a matter of foreign policy, it

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Speaker 2: no longer sees these things in the same way. Maybe

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Speaker 2: some problems are to be left to Europe. That isn't

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Speaker 2: my view. I want to be clear about that. That

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Speaker 2: is absolutely not my view. We're not talking about my view.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about.

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Speaker 3: What is my view.

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Speaker 2: You better be willing to hit Vladimir Putin hard? And

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Speaker 2: this was always my argument to the political left. This

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Speaker 2: is my argument also to the political right. If you're

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Speaker 2: unhappy with this deal, if it gives Vladimir Putin too much,

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Speaker 2: if it allows Putin to get too much land, if

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Speaker 2: it rewards too much, I'll agree with you.

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Speaker 3: Now, what are you willing? I said this to Democrats?

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Speaker 2: Then are you willing to walk into Moscow, walk into

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Speaker 2: wherever it is, Putin's place is residence is and slit

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Speaker 2: his throat?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 2: How else does this end? If you're not willing to

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Speaker 2: do that? The show of force? What force are you

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Speaker 2: talking about? How much force? And the force. Where on

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Speaker 2: the other side of the river, in Kiev or in

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Speaker 3: As you start tearing down.

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Speaker 2: Major structures in Red Square, what's your plan? This was

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Speaker 2: my question for the Democrats every time they said, you're

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Speaker 2: not giving Ukraine this, you're not giving Ukraine that, and

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Speaker 2: you're not giving Zelenski this, You're not giving Zelenski that.

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Speaker 2: You want to end the Russian threat, declare war on Russia.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to work now. I don't know he declare

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Speaker 2: war on Russia when they didn't declare war on us.

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Speaker 2: But if your plan is support Ukraine at all costs,

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Speaker 2: well then let's go. He didn't do that, and I

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Speaker 2: don't hear conservatives calling for that.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Once that's off the table, can I ask what deal

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Speaker 2: did you think you were gonna get? Are we grown

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Speaker 2: ups or not? Are we dealing in the same reality

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Speaker 2: or not? The reality is Russia's right there. They got

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Speaker 2: a crapload of people, they do have guns, they do

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Speaker 2: have nuclear weapons, and they can outlast the Ukrainians, and

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Speaker 2: they can lead to tens of thousands, if not one,

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Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of more deaths.

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Speaker 3: What's your plan? Trump's plan was win.

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Speaker 2: If you could say anything about the guy, say you

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Speaker 2: know what his plan is, I'm gonna end this thing

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Speaker 2: in a day. Well it did not end in a day.

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Speaker 2: He's even said a little trickier that I thought. Okay,

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Speaker 2: maybe a little trickier than you thought.

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Speaker 3: I get it. Trump does not care how this wins.

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Speaker 3: Trump does not care how this ends.

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Speaker 2: It just has to stop so he can say I

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Speaker 2: they didn't listen. Because that's where we're at, that's what

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Speaker 2: we're up against. Of course this could start again. You

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Speaker 2: have some level of deal on peace. Who says it's

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Speaker 2: gonna last for six months, trust Vladimir Putin. We already

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Speaker 2: know that that's a non starter. But the objective is

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Speaker 2: get the killing to stop. And if it stops for

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Speaker 2: a day, Trump gets to say, look what I did.

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Speaker 3: Stop another war. If you're on the political left, you're like, oh,

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Speaker 3: that's just talk. What was your plan? Keep throwing money

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Speaker 3: at this, Keep throwing money at this.

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Speaker 2: That that gets us?

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Speaker 3: What that gets us?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: Stop, We just keep paying and keep paying and keep paying.

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Speaker 2: We keep getting closer and closer to some level of involvement.

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Speaker 2: Speaking up where the heck is the NATO involvement. NATO

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Speaker 2: is acting all tough. NATO was going to be purchasing

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Speaker 2: our weapons, they were going to use them, and I

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Speaker 2: I guess they change their minds. Which is not a

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Speaker 2: conversation that is coming up. There's no part of any

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Speaker 2: I like. I don't think it's a good idea, and

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Speaker 2: I do think we should have been far more aggressive

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Speaker 2: who made the claim of this isn't our war, this

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Speaker 2: isn't our problem, we're wrong, and they were always wrong.

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Speaker 2: That would include Vice President Vance and a host of others.

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Speaker 3: It was a bad idea, it was a bad play.

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Speaker 2: I'm here now with the possibility of a deal on

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Speaker 2: the horizon. Rans Paul, who always has a thing to

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Speaker 2: say in a conversation, brought up, brought up Venezuela.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 5: On the Republican side, a good solid majority still are

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Speaker 5: of the neo conservative variety and do believe in invention.

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Speaker 5: But they've masked that and they've been clever. So Lindsay

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Speaker 5: Graham has not changed his positions, but he's clever and

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Speaker 5: he's become very close to the president and influenced as

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Speaker 5: a president. Same with Marco Rubio. So depending in Asian

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Speaker 5: or regime change, war in Venezuela is hatched by those people.

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Speaker 5: I actually think Trump is the one who is least

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Speaker 5: likely to want to do these things when he's surrounded

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Speaker 5: by people who believe in regime change and are goading

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Speaker 5: him on. I do think though, that if he invades Venezuela,

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Speaker 5: or if he approves significant arm sails which really gifts

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Speaker 5: either of those, the rift with Marjorie Green will pale

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Speaker 5: in comparison to what happens to his movement if he invades.

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Speaker 5: If he invades Venezuela or gives more money to Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: How does Ukraine connect to Venezuela and how does it

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Speaker 2: all connect to Maga. Well, this gets heavy now. What

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Speaker 2: I'm about to share is a theory that isn't mine,

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Speaker 2: and that's okay, but I want to engage it because

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Speaker 2: understanding of the situation, but certainly, if we were to

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Speaker 3: These pieces are in place for a specific reason.

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Speaker 2: We have Donald Trump declaring Venezuela narco terrorists. We have

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Speaker 2: the taking out of these drug boats, to which I

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Speaker 2: have no issue whatsoever, the idea that it's wrong to

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Speaker 2: saying that our intelligence is wrong, our intelligence community is

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Speaker 2: advised by Democrats not to listen to the president. Are

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Speaker 2: we saying that the intelligence community's assessment that given to

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Speaker 3: These are indeed drug boats?

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Speaker 2: Is there no intelligence to what's coming from Venezuela. Is

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Speaker 2: there any intelligence that tells us that Nicholas Maduro won

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Speaker 3: No, it all tell us that he tells us that

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Speaker 3: he stole the election. Point blank.

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Speaker 2: Not only do you take out the drug boats, you

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Speaker 2: move the USS Gerald forward into the Caribbean.

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Speaker 3: This is the largest aircraft carrier we have. And then

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Speaker 2: Support vehicles, destroyers, other things, support ships. You start talking

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Speaker 2: about the AOAR, the area of responsibility, Well, ain't that

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Speaker 2: something that's a real build up? Why there's a theory

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Speaker 2: that goes as follows. Now, my add on to this

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Speaker 2: is that Trump really does hate war because he can't

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Speaker 2: understand it. He can't comprehend it. Why would you fight

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Speaker 2: with somebody when you could make money together? What's wrong

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Speaker 2: with you people? I mean that is the frontal lobe

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Speaker 2: doing my thing. Well, then i'll fight you, then i'll

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Speaker 2: together because it was never personal. It was only about

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Speaker 2: me getting what I want. That's reality of Trump. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we're not gonna be honest with each other. Guys, who

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Speaker 2: what's happening is the world has changed and the money

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Speaker 2: is changed, and it's not that there's anybody really close

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Speaker 2: to our ability of growth, of strength of capability. It's

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Speaker 2: that there are other players who have money to spend,

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Speaker 2: and we as a nation cannot afford to do all

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Speaker 2: the things that we used to do in a world

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Speaker 3: What do you do at that moment? How do you

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Speaker 2: Well, you recognize that the Russians aren't going away, even

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Speaker 2: though they're gonna be a vassal state of China any moment.

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Speaker 3: That's my take.

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Speaker 2: And China isn't going away, and China is a genuine

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Speaker 3: Yes, you have India and some.

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Speaker 2: Other players, but let's be clear about who's doing the

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Speaker 2: fighting here. Maybe you can't worry about everybody everywhere. Maybe

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Speaker 2: you can't do all things in all places. Maybe the

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Speaker 2: day's post Marshall plan where you're able to engage this

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Speaker 2: idea of American influence isn't as possible as it once was. Economically,

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Speaker 2: it just cannot be done. What do you do, You

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Speaker 2: at least take care of your own yard.

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Speaker 3: And it's very possible that.

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Speaker 2: The United States has made a decision that that own

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Speaker 3: We're going to take care of hours.

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Speaker 2: And they're going to do whatever it is they do

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Speaker 2: the best. And that's why when you take a look

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Speaker 2: has Ukraine giving up more land.

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Speaker 3: Than was taken.

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Speaker 2: And a real push on Ukraine to do so. It

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Speaker 2: was Zelenski who said, we either have we can have

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Speaker 2: the United States on our side, but we lose our

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Speaker 2: dignity knowing that he doesn't have the cards and this

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Speaker 3: That philosophy.

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Speaker 2: Is possible that the United States on a very very

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Speaker 2: macro level, large overlook level, has taken a look at

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Speaker 2: the field and said, we need to be protective of

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Speaker 2: this area, of our things, of this place. The other

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Speaker 2: stuff we cannot do, We cannot help, and we need.

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Speaker 3: To get our own world, our own.

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Speaker 2: Ship, our own place in better order. I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: I agree with it. I'm saying it is an interesting concept.

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Speaker 2: new reality. Something to listen for. I'm Tony Katz. This

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz Today. Guys, good to be here, Good to

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Speaker 8: make clear that the United States would fight only in

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Speaker 8: self defense according to the rules of international law that

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Speaker 8: the United States had imposed on Japan and Nazi Germany.

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Speaker 8: Every time that in violation of active Congress, the Secretary

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Speaker 8: makes up these titles for himself, Secretary of Partying, Secretary

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Speaker 8: of War, whatever he calls himself, those are illegal orders too.

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Speaker 2: He never called himself the Secretary of partying. President Trump

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Speaker 2: wants to rename it the War Department, and so he

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Speaker 2: goes by Secretary of War. You could argue, certainly, but

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Speaker 2: it's not the War Department, it's the Defense Department, and

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Speaker 2: you need an Act of Congress to change it back.

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Speaker 2: But if that's your example of an illegal order, you're weird.

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Speaker 2: That isn't what they were saying. And we all know it.

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Speaker 2: All rational people know it. All the irrational people are

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Speaker 2: on my Twitter feed. All the irrational people follow me

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Speaker 2: on Twitter exid Tony Katz. You'll see some nuttiness and

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Speaker 2: they're still doing it like they have an argument.

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Speaker 3: Oh, they're so cute.

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Speaker 2: And when I say cute, I mean virgins living in

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Speaker 2: their mom's basement. But cute, no, no, no, not the cute

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Speaker 2: kind of virgin of living in their mom's basement. Look

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Speaker 2: to find that right person spending life with. No, I

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Speaker 2: mean the sad kind of virgin living in their mom's

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Speaker 2: basement where mom doesn't want them living in the basement

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Speaker 2: and they don't have any options but to live in

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Speaker 2: the basement because the outside world is scary. Two on

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Speaker 2: the nose, No, yes, right, we know.

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Speaker 3: What was said. This pushback has led to Pete Hegsath.

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Speaker 2: Referring to the Senators and these members of Congress as

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Speaker 2: the seditious six and.

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Speaker 3: That he is going to he is going.

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Speaker 2: To see if Kelly, Senator Kelly, could be recalled because

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Speaker 2: he's still acted military and possibly have him tried. People

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Speaker 2: are infuriated about this. If you're gonna recall him, you

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Speaker 2: better be prepared to.

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Speaker 3: Recall all of us.

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Speaker 2: He can't recall all of you, because that's not how

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Speaker 2: the system works. There are some people who are upset

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Speaker 2: about this. You're focusing on the wrong things. We should

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Speaker 2: be focusing on affordability. I believe you can do two

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Speaker 2: things at the same time, and I don't disagree that

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Speaker 2: the White House as we have been discussing here, as

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Speaker 2: I said on Sean Spicer's.

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Speaker 3: Show, and I by the way, I got the iyer.

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Speaker 2: I got the ire of Steve Bannon, which of course

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Speaker 2: means nothing, and then I got the iyre from what

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Speaker 2: I'm hearing.

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Speaker 3: Of Scott Besst. I don't want desire.

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you, you're the guy, You're the smartest guy

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Speaker 2: in the room. You got to go make the case

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Speaker 2: for the our economic future. And by the way, he's

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Speaker 2: been doing just that. I do not take credit for it,

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Speaker 2: but he has been making the case. Now he did

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Speaker 2: it on the Sunday shows aggressively about inflation and about

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Speaker 2: other economic issues, and the time's gonna take to get

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Speaker 2: things rolling. This is the argument that should have been

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Speaker 2: happening in a much more concerned way, in a much

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Speaker 2: more obvious way. But there's some people arguing, why are you,

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Speaker 2: Why are you going after Mark Kelly? You go after

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Speaker 2: Senator Kelly. All you're doing is raising his profile. He's

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Speaker 2: already really popular in Arizona. Now you're gonna make him

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Speaker 2: a presidential contender. This is a misread of the situation.

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Speaker 2: You call them a seditious six, which I think calling

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Speaker 2: them the seditious six is silly. Right, that was wrong

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Speaker 2: of Secretary of Heckseth. You have to treat this seriously.

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Speaker 2: Don't name call it. You're not Trump. Don't play that game.

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Speaker 2: This was a usurpation of your authority and of the

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Speaker 2: authority of them, of the chain of commands.

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Speaker 3: You better discuss it, and I don't mind you pushing

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Speaker 3: on it.

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Speaker 2: Just don't call it names. Don't give it catchy slogans.

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Speaker 2: Stop that, don't do that be the pro but absolutely

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Speaker 2: pushed back. And there's some people saying, well, you.

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Speaker 3: Don't do that.

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Speaker 2: You don't do that because you're raising his Q rating

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Speaker 2: and you're gonna make it more popular now he can

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Speaker 2: be a presidential candidate. What are you gonna do about that.

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Speaker 2: That's old school Republican thinking. It's not conservative thinking. It's

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Speaker 2: old school Republican thinking, Well, we better not do anything

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Speaker 2: because you know that could be bad. Oh, we better

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Speaker 2: not respond because that could be bad for us. Oh,

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Speaker 2: we better not do this because that could be bad

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Speaker 2: for us. And then you end up with Bill Crystal.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with pushing back. That guy tried to

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Speaker 2: usurp the chain of command. That guy tried to usurp

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Speaker 2: the commander in chief. That guy is trying to sow

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Speaker 2: dissent in the military. And we don't put up with

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Speaker 2: that crap from nobody. Even if you've been in space,

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Speaker 2: your uniform wearing days do not shield you from the

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Speaker 2: reality of what you do today, and you will be

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Speaker 2: dealt with accordingly. Sure, there's a political reality, there's always

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Speaker 2: a political reality. But the idea of do nothing because

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Speaker 2: you're just gonna raise this guy's level, what this guy

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Speaker 2: did was disgusting. So is the same thing with Senator

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Speaker 2: Lissa Slockin, Same thing with Representative Goodlanders, same thing with

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Speaker 2: Representative Crow and you have to expose it. And yes,

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Speaker 2: if under the US United Unified Code Military Justice to

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Speaker 2: u CMJ, I apologize there are charges to be brought,

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Speaker 2: it should be at least discussed.

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Speaker 3: Not ooh, let's not make them too angry.

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Speaker 2: Ooh, enough of that old school crap. I could be

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Speaker 2: a conservative, which I am, and know that that's a

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Speaker 2: bad idea.

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Speaker 3: I'm Tony Katz.

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Speaker 2: A great story from hot air dot com Tony Katz

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Speaker 2: Tony kats today. They actually got the story from over

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Speaker 2: there at Reason. You guys know that I have absolute

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Speaker 2: libertarian leanings. I'm not a libertarian for a lot of

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Speaker 2: foreign policy reasons, but I don't think.

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Speaker 3: Libertarians are bad. Some people have a real issue with libertarians.

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Speaker 3: I've never understood it.

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Speaker 2: I'm not there on the foreign policy stuff on quite

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Speaker 2: a few things, but on a rational point of view.

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Speaker 3: On economic smartness, I think that I think there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of value there. But Reason takes a note that

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Speaker 3: homeschooling has grown.

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Speaker 2: Homeschooling has grown across the US, increasing at an average

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Speaker 2: rate of five point four percent. This according to Angela

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Speaker 2: Watson of the John Hopkins University School of Education's Homeschool.

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Speaker 3: Hub, that is fantastic.

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Speaker 2: The rate is three times the pre pandemic homeschooling growth

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Speaker 2: rate of around two percent, So two and a half

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Speaker 2: times really.

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Speaker 3: Good. Now, it's not that homeschooling is for everybody. It's

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Speaker 3: not easy.

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Speaker 2: It's easier now so many more materialiols and guides and

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Speaker 2: helpfulness exists out there. But what I'm hoping this leads

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Speaker 2: to is a total destruction of the public school system,

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Speaker 2: as is that people like Randy Winingartn are out of

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Speaker 2: a job, that unions are ruined, and we start building

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Speaker 2: an education system of value. And what Trump is doing

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Speaker 2: with Linda McMahon and putting an end to the Department

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Speaker 2: of Education. Brah freakin vo.

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Speaker 3: Love it.

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Speaker 1: This is Tony Katz today. Line from Vaull Hartbeiner and

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Speaker 1: The Crossroads of America. It's Tony Katz today. So is

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Speaker 1: there a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine? Well, maybe

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Speaker 1: not yet, but maybe it's in the offing. Is it

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Speaker 1: a deal for Ukraine? And is it the best deal

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Speaker 1: for the United States? And something happening with med school training.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody knew about, but Senator Todd

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Speaker 1: Young is trying to bring it to everybody's attention.

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Speaker 3: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Senator Todd Young joins me right now on the phone,

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Speaker 2: Republican senator from the state of Indiana. I want to

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Speaker 2: get to this legislation that you're introducing about protecting medical

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Speaker 2: students and residents from being coerced into abortion training, how

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Speaker 2: that might conflict with their moral or religious beliefs. But

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Speaker 2: before we do that, these reports of a possible peace

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Speaker 2: deal with Russia and Ukraine, which would involve obstensibly Ukraine

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Speaker 2: giving up more land than Russia's already taken.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't make NATO a it doesn't make Ukraine a

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Speaker 2: NATO nation, but it would make it kind of I

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Speaker 2: don't know, NATO adjacent if you will from what you know?

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Speaker 3: What can you tell us if you know anything more?

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Speaker 3: And what do you think of the possibility of a

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Speaker 3: deal here?

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Speaker 9: Well, thanks for having me on, Tony. You know we're

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Speaker 9: we're all watching this situation, UH, in Ukraine and throughout

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Speaker 9: Europe as they hold negotiations about the future of Ukraine

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Speaker 9: and the Russia Ukraine war. Watching it pretty intently, I've

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Speaker 9: got to say, you know, Marco Rubio, UH Secretary Driscoll

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Speaker 9: who is our Army secretary, and the President himself, they're

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Speaker 9: working very hard to make sure we get adjust and

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Speaker 9: peaceful resolution to this war.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 9: It's it's it's horrible. It's been an absolute blood letting

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Speaker 9: and and it's and it's just obviously not good for anyone.

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Speaker 9: So I have been vocal, you know, through social media

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Speaker 9: and interviews and all the rest, that any peace deal

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Speaker 9: has to be a good peace deal, otherwise it's a surrender.

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Speaker 9: And what does a good piece deal look like. Well,

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Speaker 9: it should not limit the size of Ukraine's armed forces,

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Speaker 9: because we want Ukraine to deter any further aggression, and

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Speaker 9: it should not deter Ukraine from being a viable independent

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Speaker 9: nation in the future, controlling its own future. So that

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Speaker 9: should reserve to the Ukrainian people, through their government, the

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Speaker 9: ability to dictate what their future relationship to other European

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Speaker 9: neighbors looks like. That should not be something that Vladimir

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Speaker 9: Putin gets to dictate in the terms of an agreement.

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Speaker 9: So I hope that we can you know, at this

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Speaker 9: point in the conflict, which is turned into really a

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Speaker 9: stalemate now for a number of years, I hope we

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Speaker 9: can get some sort of agreement that it will not

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Speaker 9: include the provisions I've had, but will bring this horrible

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Speaker 9: fighting to a close so that the Ukrainian people can

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Speaker 9: resume uh, you know, economic growth and prosperity and peace

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Speaker 9: and and and Vladimir Putin will go back to uh,

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Speaker 9: you know, being the leader of his country and not

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Speaker 9: meddling in in his what he likes to call nearor abroad,

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Speaker 9: the countries of Europe, just outside of his borders.

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Speaker 3: Is this a deal that is pro America?

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Speaker 2: Is this a deal that is dear Lord, The best

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Speaker 2: we can do is just stop the killing, because we

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Speaker 2: don't have the resolve, the dollars, or or the hardware

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Speaker 2: to push Vladimir Putin all the way back. Is there

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Speaker 2: anything that's going to be seen in this from your

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Speaker 2: colleagues as we're winding out here, we're not doing enough,

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Speaker 2: We're not pushing hard enough to stop Vladimir Putin and

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Speaker 2: not reward this kind of naked aggression.

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Speaker 9: Well, the original terms of the twenty eight points of

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Speaker 9: this agreement were you know, they began the conversation, and

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Speaker 9: I think the Ukrainian government Zelensky appropriately said that there

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Speaker 9: are some points here that would undermine our sovereignty, our security,

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Speaker 9: our future prosperity, and he couldn't live with him. Now

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Speaker 9: we're down to I think the number is nineteen points

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Speaker 9: that are more acceptable, and it's in the balls in

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Speaker 9: the court of Vladimir Putin to see whether or not

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Speaker 9: he can accommodate himself make some you know, moves in

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Speaker 9: terms of the negotiation to bring this horrible war which

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Speaker 9: he started to an end, and he hasn't done so.

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Speaker 9: In fact, he's doubling down on his position and being stubborn.

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Speaker 9: So what's in it for the American people? Well, the

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Speaker 9: American people need to understand that since this war began,

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Speaker 9: there's been a real blood letting, not just on both sides,

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Speaker 9: but especially with respect to our adversary Russia. In fact,

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Speaker 9: Russia's casualties in this war have exceeded America's deaths in

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Speaker 9: World War Two. So there are a lot of Russians

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Speaker 9: dying in this war. And because Russia is our adversary,

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Speaker 9: that would, though kind of horrible to talk in these terms,

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Speaker 9: that is cheal politically to the advantage of the United States.

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Speaker 9: Russia has also not been advance answing is a perception

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Speaker 9: that's been created by some I think in the media,

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Speaker 9: not you, of course, that the Russians are on the march,

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Speaker 9: since really, you know, for the last couple of years,

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Speaker 9: the Russian forces have seized just over one percent of

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Speaker 9: additional Ukrainian territory. That's not obviously a lot, it's basically

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Speaker 9: a standstill now. All the while, one of our primary

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Speaker 9: adversaries against Russia, which is in alliance with China, their

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Speaker 9: economy is precarious. They're basically bootstrapping their entire economy and

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Speaker 9: oil sales to the Chinese and Indians and some to

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Speaker 9: the Europeans, and so there's real pressure. I think that

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Speaker 9: we have the ability to apply a lot more pressure

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Speaker 9: on Russia to offer concessions at the negotiating table if

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Speaker 9: they don't do so now, and I know Secretary Rubio

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Speaker 9: understands that we can sanction not just Russia itself, but

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Speaker 9: any country that will trade oil with Russia if they

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Speaker 9: don't agree to give the Ukrainians peace and to respect

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Speaker 9: their sovereignty. So that's where we are. That's Frankly, what

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Speaker 9: a good outcome looks like is to see Putin start

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Speaker 9: to move towards the American position that we are now

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Speaker 9: representing the nineteen points. And it's unclear if he will.

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Speaker 9: It's unclear if Vladimir Putin can bring himself to create

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Speaker 9: an environment of peace. And I will say that the

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Speaker 9: president has done. He's very good at you leverage he

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Speaker 9: has in negotiations. He's trying to get the Europeance to

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Speaker 9: step up support more of the resourcing given to the

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Speaker 9: Ukrainian freedom fighters, and he's having some success there. So

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Speaker 9: the Europeans are also involved in this chess game. And

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Speaker 9: I know the President wants peace. I want peace, but

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Speaker 9: it has to be a very good negotiation so that

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Speaker 9: it's a peace worthy of its name.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Senator Todd Young, Republican senator from Indiana. Yet

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Speaker 2: Russia continues to be obstinate, and Russia certainly did not

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Speaker 2: bring itself to the tables, continue to act with impunity.

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Speaker 2: There's always the concern that Russia doesn't care because eventually

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Speaker 2: it's going to be the vasal state of China anyway,

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Speaker 2: where that's where it's money comes from, and therefore that's

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Speaker 2: who it does the bidding of but.

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Speaker 3: We put that to the side just for a moment.

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Speaker 3: This legislation that you have.

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Speaker 2: Sponsored with Senator James Langford, I said Mark Langford earlier.

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Speaker 2: I apologize Senator James Langford of Oklahoma about protecting medical students.

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Speaker 2: I did not know that all medical students have to

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Speaker 2: go through some level of abortion training. What is there

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Speaker 2: are abilities already to opt out. So you call this

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Speaker 2: the Conscious Protections for Medical Residence Acts. How did this

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Speaker 2: come to your desk? And what is the hope here?

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Speaker 9: Yeah? So James Lanker, my colleague from Oklahoma, and I

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Speaker 9: are both members of Pro life Caucus within the US Senate.

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Speaker 9: We work with stakeholders who bring us changes in the

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Speaker 9: law they would like to see in order to advance

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Speaker 9: the pro life cause. So that's how this came to

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Speaker 9: our attention. And James is shown by the way great

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Speaker 9: great leadership on this, and it's great to work with him.

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Speaker 9: I don't think most Americans understand that if you have

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Speaker 9: a moral not just reservation, but an outright objection to abortion, uh,

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Speaker 9: you are still required in order to be accredited as

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Speaker 9: as a doctor, as an ob g y N, you're

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Speaker 9: required to receive abortion training. You can opt out, but

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Speaker 9: then there's pressure on the student. You know, they're wondering

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Speaker 9: whether it's going to adversely impact their evaluations, their recommendations,

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Speaker 9: their future career opportunities, and so that sort of pressure

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Speaker 9: should not exist and and perhaps persuade some people to

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Speaker 9: contradict their values in order to be a medical doctor.

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Speaker 9: So we want to change. We want to flip the

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Speaker 9: script as it were, and make sure that the default

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Speaker 9: position is no one who who does this has to

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Speaker 9: you know, who pursues a doctor's certificate and wants to

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Speaker 9: be a credit has to do abortion training. You can

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Speaker 9: opt in, but you're not required to opt out. The

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Speaker 9: assumption should not be that everyone wants to learn how

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Speaker 9: to do abortions. That should not be something that they

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Speaker 9: have to undergo. So that's all we do is we

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Speaker 9: change the default setting on abortion training in the United

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Speaker 9: States of America. We know affecting life, not taking it.

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Speaker 2: We know how democrats feel about abortion and how they

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Speaker 2: believe it moves voters.

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Speaker 3: What is the You know, you don't bring.

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Speaker 2: Legislation unless you feel that there's real opportunity for it

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Speaker 2: to pass. What is the feeling you're feeling in the

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Speaker 2: Senate of if this will pass, and if so, when.

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Speaker 9: You know it's interesting, I think that's got a fighting chance.

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Speaker 9: Er as you indicate, we wouldn't, we wouldn't bring it

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Speaker 9: to the fore. We've gotten an amazing amount of feedback,

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Speaker 9: positive feedback from constituents and really from people around the

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Speaker 9: country encouraging this legislation to be brought through the committee

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Speaker 9: and past. I imagine my Democrat colleagues are hearing from

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Speaker 9: these constituents as well, and I think there's an opportunity. Listen,

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Speaker 9: Democrats just lost the last election very badly, and the

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Speaker 9: American people were tired of their positions, particularly on social issues.

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Speaker 9: They've just gone way outside of the mainstream. Whatever one's

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Speaker 9: views are on abortion, I think in this case, the

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Speaker 9: vast majority of Americans will agree that a doctor who

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Speaker 9: has moral objections to abortion shouldn't be trained in abortion.

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Speaker 9: That shouldn't be the default position. So I think, on

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Speaker 9: account of the common sensical nature of this and the

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Speaker 9: feedback I've received so far, I think there's a good

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Speaker 9: shot at this getting done. But we need to hear

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Speaker 9: from our constituents. We need them to register their views

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Speaker 9: to other members of Congress who haven't yet co sponsored

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Speaker 9: this legislation. My colleague Jim Banks signed on. I want

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Speaker 9: to thank him publicly for that and just encourage Hoosiers

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Speaker 9: who regard themselves as pro life or even not pro choice,

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Speaker 9: but they don't think pro life doctors should have to

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Speaker 9: train an abortion to register that view with their own

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Speaker 9: members of Congress.

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Speaker 2: Senator Todd Young of Indiana, I appreciate you taking the

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Speaker 2: time to be with us and to be here. Appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Go have a good Thanksgiving. More coming up. I'm Tony Katz.

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Speaker 2: This is Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 10: Number in regard to air travel, this is going to

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Speaker 10: be the busiest Thanksgiving that we have on record, and

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Speaker 10: I think you all might note that it seems like

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Speaker 10: every Thanksgiving, every Christmas, every fourth of July seems to

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Speaker 10: be an announcement of record travel. I'm gonna come to

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Speaker 10: that in a second. But this week there'll be thirty

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Speaker 10: one million passengers flying by air. As we look to

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Speaker 10: the week that's for the airline industry, Tomorrow will be

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Speaker 10: the busiest day. There'll be fifty two thous flights tomorrow

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Speaker 10: as Americans board aircraft fly across the country. Maybe they're

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Speaker 10: going to go to sporting events, they're going on vacation,

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Speaker 10: or hopefully they're going to spend time with their families.

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Speaker 10: Now we anticipate there's going to be solid staffing in

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Speaker 10: our towers and traycons and centers throughout the airspace. And

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Speaker 10: that's different than what we had over the shutdown. Well,

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Speaker 10: we do have some weather in the forecast. I'm not

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Speaker 10: a weather man, but if you look out to the

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Speaker 10: Seattle area in the Midwest, the Great Lakes, we are

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Speaker 10: going to have some weather. And so if you are

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Speaker 10: traveling by air, I would just ask that you stay

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Speaker 10: in touch with your airline or update your apps so

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Speaker 10: you know if your flight has been delayed or moved

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Speaker 10: at all.

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Speaker 3: As you're planning to come to the airport.

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Speaker 2: That's the Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy. Yes, travel is going

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Speaker 2: to be rough over Thanksgiving. Certainly people heading home, it's

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Speaker 2: going to be rough. And as a guy who lives

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Speaker 2: in the Midwest, allow me to explain to you that

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Speaker 2: the Thanksgiving weather is sizzling hot garbage.

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Speaker 3: It's on a scale of one.

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Speaker 2: On a scale of one to Nancy Pelosi, Honestly, I

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Speaker 2: could have picked anybody for the scale. I picked Nancy

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Speaker 2: Pelosi on a scale of one to Jasmine Crocket. On

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Speaker 2: a scale of one to Jasmine Crocket, this is two

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Speaker 2: fake eyelashes?

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Speaker 3: Is that too?

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Speaker 6: Is that?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 3: Really? I can't say so.

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Speaker 2: Is it racist or is it sexist? Can I get

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Speaker 2: a ruling on that? Could someone get back to me? Okay,

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Speaker 2: all I know is my mother flew in yesterday. My

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Speaker 2: mother is here. My mother is just footsteps away. She's

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Speaker 2: not in the in the studio. My mother's footsteps away.

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Speaker 3: My mother. My mother has.

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Speaker 2: Been sick and it's been it's been a rough few years,

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Speaker 2: and she had not feeling. She's actually in the hospital

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Speaker 2: for a few days and then she needs to get

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Speaker 2: some strength.

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Speaker 3: Actress. She was in rehab for a few days, not

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Speaker 3: that kind of rehab, rehab for a few days.

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Speaker 2: And she yesterday she checked herself out and she's like,

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Speaker 2: I'm going I'm going to see my son and my

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Speaker 2: grandkids bye.

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Speaker 3: And they're like, well, really, what she's like? Did I

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Speaker 3: say I'm leaving? And this woman.

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Speaker 2: Arrange the ride, grab some stuff, got on a plane

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Speaker 2: seventy eight. Now you know that there are some seventy

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Speaker 2: eight year old and absolutely perfect health.

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Speaker 3: My mother is not that woman. But I am I

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Speaker 3: can't believe.

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Speaker 2: I could not could not believe it, but for her,

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Speaker 2: because you know, she's supposed to go back over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at the weather and there might be some

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Speaker 2: real snow, it might be possibilities snow, things might get delayed.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, she might be here more days.

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Speaker 2: That's very possible. Anybody who's looking to the Midwest of

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Speaker 2: flying out the weekend after that's good. That could get difficult.

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Speaker 2: And the only thing I'm going to suggest is don't

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Speaker 2: get worked up, don't get angry. You know it now,

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Speaker 2: It's not like you got to the airport. You got

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Speaker 2: to the gate and they said, hey, we decided to

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Speaker 2: cancel the flight because we hate you.

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Speaker 3: That's not going on. Amy could be, but it's not happening.

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Speaker 3: So have a plan, right, have have a have a

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Speaker 3: kind of relaxed attitude about it all because people they.

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Speaker 2: You know, I love this this move on flying, hey,

848
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Speaker 2: stop wearing pajamas, which I take complete and full credit for.

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Speaker 3: I take total credit for this move of.

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Speaker 2: Of the U of the Trap secret Secretary to say

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Speaker 2: stop wearing pajamas. Dress properly on a plane. I've been

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Speaker 2: saying it for years. I wear a suit on a plane.

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Speaker 2: I do it all the time.

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Speaker 3: People laugh at me.

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Speaker 9: I was right.

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Speaker 2: You gotta have some respect for your solve the respect

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Speaker 2: for others. That's the way it works. You wear a

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Speaker 2: suit on a plane. Oh but I like to be comfortable.

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Speaker 2: Then stay at home. Nobody wants to see your gnarly

860
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Speaker 2: feet anyway. And you know those yoga pants you wear.

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Speaker 2: Hate to break it to you.

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Speaker 3: You aren't built for yoga pants.

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Speaker 2: Go to the airport being calm, cool and collected. Understand

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Speaker 2: that things may not go great. Understand that can be delayed.

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Speaker 2: Think about it now, don't get nutty. Meanwhile, X has

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Speaker 2: changed some rules and now we see who the fraudsters are,

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Speaker 2: and oh there are many fraudsters. I'm Tony Katz and

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Speaker 2: this is Tony Kats today. I do believe we're not

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Speaker 2: giving enough credit to Elon Musk and I think the

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Speaker 2: people who wanted to push him to the side when

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Speaker 2: he had his little row with President Trump were making

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Speaker 2: a huge, huge mistake, Because every day, it seems we

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Speaker 2: get a little closer to realizing how much garbage is

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Speaker 2: in our social media feeds and who is selling us

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Speaker 2: the garbage.

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Speaker 3: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: William Jacobson joins me right now, Cornell Law professor, the

878
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Speaker 2: mind behind legal insurrection dot com. I want to get

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Speaker 2: to the story about this new tool on X, the

880
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 2: fake accounts, really how it has affected this war regarding

881
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Speaker 2: Hamas and Israel, and how it lied to millions and

882
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Speaker 2: millions of.

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Speaker 3: People around the globe.

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Speaker 2: But before I do, we saw the cases against James

885
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Speaker 2: Comy and le Teacher James kicked out by a judge,

886
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Speaker 2: the argument being that, especially in the James Comy case,

887
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Speaker 2: that the prosecutors put in place was not properly put

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Speaker 2: in place.

889
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Speaker 3: That's Lindsay Halligan.

890
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Speaker 2: There's been a lot of issues about this, and therefore,

891
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Speaker 2: if there's no real prosecutor, there's no real person in place,

892
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Speaker 2: there's no real case to be brought here.

893
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Speaker 3: I don't want to.

894
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Speaker 2: Get into the case, the details of the Komi case,

895
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Speaker 2: but rather get into the details or the thoughts about the.

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Speaker 3: Pam Bondi Justice Department. I had high hopes for I

897
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Speaker 3: don't think she's living up to the high hopes. Is

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Speaker 3: this more aging incompetence as you see it?

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Speaker 11: You know, well, I wouldn't sweep her away completely, but

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Speaker 11: this is an example of a judge finding that the

901
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Speaker 11: federal government improperly exercised their right to have an interim appointment.

902
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Speaker 11: So basically, the gist of the decision, without getting into

903
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Speaker 11: the specific wording, is that the statute that authorizes the

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Speaker 11: appointment of interim.

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Speaker 12: United States attorneys only allows you to do that once.

906
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Speaker 11: It does not allow successive successive interim appointments. That after

907
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Speaker 11: you've done it once in one hundred and twenty days

908
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Speaker 11: has passed, then you have the decision to be made

909
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Speaker 11: by the district court the judges, and so here the

910
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Speaker 11: judges asserting they messed up that procedure. I don't know

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Speaker 11: if they did or they didn't. It has to do

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Speaker 11: with statutory reading and things like that. But the issue

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Speaker 11: is if there had not if there had been multiple prosecutors,

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Speaker 11: for example, participating in the presentation of the indictment, this

915
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Speaker 11: would be a non issue. But because the government chose

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Speaker 11: to only use one prosecutor before the grand jury and

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Speaker 11: one prosecutor to certify the indictment, and that prosecutor is

918
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Speaker 11: the one in question they're saying was unlawfully appointed. That's

919
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Speaker 11: where we are. But if they had multiple prosecutors participating.

920
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Speaker 12: This wouldn't and be an issue.

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Speaker 11: So I think you can say this is another example

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Speaker 11: of arguably the Trump administration perhaps not dotting the eyes

923
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Speaker 11: and crossing the t's, perhaps not backstopping them with alternatives.

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Speaker 11: This was an entirely predictable problem. So I think this

925
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Speaker 11: really calls into question. You know, how much attention to

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Speaker 11: detail are they spending.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that is just it.

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Speaker 2: You know, it is the Attorney General of ham BONDI

929
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Speaker 2: doing your job, you said, you know, don't.

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Speaker 3: Sweep our away altogether.

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Speaker 2: I feel often that I'm not seeing results, and what

932
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Speaker 2: I'm seeing is just not a really clean, professional message

933
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Speaker 2: and professional placement of the work.

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Speaker 3: I think that's the way I'm doing it. I think

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Speaker 3: a lot of others.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, well, you know, results sometimes take time. So I'm

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Speaker 11: less critical of Horror, I'm less critical of the FBI.

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Speaker 11: Everybody's complaining about cash Fattel and Dan Vongino, who I

939
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Speaker 11: like a lot. You know, I'm not as worried things

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Speaker 11: take time, particularly since we have met a really unprecedented

941
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Speaker 11: level of obstruction by the Democrats and by the district courts.

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Speaker 11: Now I'm not saying this decision was improper by the

943
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Speaker 11: district court judge. I did read the decision and the

944
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Speaker 11: judge went through the statue statutory interpretation. But we have

945
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Speaker 11: had many decisions from district court judges around the country

946
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Speaker 11: which read like political manifestos, which.

947
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Speaker 12: Read like a campaign speech. And so it's been a problem.

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Speaker 11: Also, there's been a problem getting US attorneys confirmed by

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Speaker 11: the Senate, and that Why has the Trump administration not

950
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Speaker 11: forced that through? Why haven't Republicans in the Congress in

951
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Speaker 11: the Senate forced that through. We're in this predicament because

952
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Speaker 11: the Democrats have been successful in obstructing Trump's ability to

953
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Speaker 11: get his people into place, which is the only reason

954
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Speaker 11: you needed successive interim appointments which created this whole problem.

955
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Speaker 11: So you know, I don't blame Pambondi for this problem.

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Speaker 11: I frankly blame the administration and the Senate Republicans for

957
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Speaker 11: not getting Trump's people appointed. What is the problem here,

958
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Speaker 11: and that's really what caused all this Democrat obstruction has

959
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Speaker 11: been pretty successful.

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Speaker 2: Talking to William Jacobs and Cornell Law professor legal insurrection

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Speaker 2: dot com, let me bring you to this. You've got

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Speaker 2: the story there at Legal Insurrection dot Com, barn, fake Maga,

963
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Speaker 2: anti Israel accounts exposed in X location disclosure.

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Speaker 3: Take the time, walk me through it. What is it

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Speaker 3: that Elon Musk and X have now allowed to take place?

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Speaker 2: What can you see and what in your view and

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Speaker 2: as you're writing about it, what does it expose that

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Speaker 2: people who are utilizing social media as a way of

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Speaker 2: getting news.

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Speaker 3: Need to know.

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Speaker 11: Well, for a long time, many of us, including me,

972
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Speaker 11: have been complaining that what's happening on X is obviously

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Speaker 11: a foreign information operation. It's obvious interference, it's obvious bought activity.

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Speaker 12: None of this is new. And what has happened is that.

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Speaker 11: X bases its algorithms and other things on engagement, and

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Speaker 11: the more you get engaged, the more they boost you.

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Speaker 11: And so what you have is you have foreign operations

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Speaker 11: getting their people boosted on X to create a false narrative.

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Speaker 11: And unfortunately it's been particularly with regard to Israel, but

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Speaker 11: it's also negative towards Trump.

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Speaker 12: And so what you finally had happened.

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Speaker 11: Finally, after years of this, you have X turning live,

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Speaker 11: a feature where you can see where the account is

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Speaker 11: posting from or if they're trying to hide that through

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Speaker 11: a VPN, then it will show you that they're using

986
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Speaker 11: a VPN, which is a signal.

987
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 12: They're trying to hide or could be a signal.

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Speaker 11: And what we found was that there's an entire industry

989
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Speaker 11: out there, and I'll break it down into multiple tiers.

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Speaker 11: First of all, fake Gaza war accounts, people supposedly posting

991
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Speaker 11: from Gozza about atrocities that of course never happened, and.

992
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Speaker 12: In fact, now know that they're not in Gaza, they're

993
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Speaker 12: not in the Middle East.

994
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Speaker 5: A lot of them are nowhere near where you're saying, Bangladesh.

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Speaker 11: You know, these are operations of you know, people posting

996
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Speaker 11: you know, I'm sitting in attending Gaza and eight children

997
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Speaker 11: just got killed by Israel. That person's posting from Bangladesh

998
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 11: and in one case from Poland. So these are complete

999
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Speaker 11: fakery that has created a narrative of genocide and other

1000
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Speaker 11: things in the Israel Godza War which are simply not true,

1001
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Speaker 11: and that has penetrated, that has changed the public consciousness.

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Speaker 11: So those are the fake accounts posting fake information. And

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Speaker 11: then you have the fake MAGA accounts, which are very

1004
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Speaker 11: viciously going after Israel America first America, only you know,

1005
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Speaker 11: I can't afford a house because we give three billion

1006
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Speaker 11: dollars a year to Israel. All those sort of narratives

1007
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Speaker 11: which have also penetrated, but it turns out that they're

1008
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Speaker 11: not by real America First accounts. A lot of them

1009
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Speaker 11: are not by people even in the United States. Again

1010
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Speaker 11: the usual suspects in Nigeria, Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, elsewhere in

1011
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Speaker 11: the Middle East. So what you have is you have

1012
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Speaker 11: stoking of hatred towards Israel by supposedly America First accounts

1013
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Speaker 11: accounts which often say I'm from Texas and I'm not

1014
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Speaker 11: going to stand and I don't like the Israel occupation

1015
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Speaker 11: of our government, and I'm in Texas and the person's

1016
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Speaker 11: actually in Bangladesh, and it's just complete fakery. So you

1017
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Speaker 11: have a real narrative, and I think damage has been done.

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Speaker 2: Tucker William Jacobs and Cornell Law professor legal insurrection dot Com.

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01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 2: I agree with you that the damage has been done.

1020
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Speaker 2: Elon's doing this was this. I've heard some people say, Hey,

1021
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 2: it was this person's idea or somebody spoke.

1022
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Speaker 3: To them about this. This is really a lifting of

1023
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Speaker 3: the veil.

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Speaker 2: And more transparency that we've seen from certainly any other

1025
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Speaker 2: social media platform. Before we get just a little bit deeper,

1026
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Speaker 2: is there a belief that this will change how people

1027
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,919
Speaker 2: see or engage with the content that's now out there.

1028
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Speaker 11: I hope so, you know, I really do hope so.

1029
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Speaker 11: And there's also a third tier of this manipulation which

1030
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Speaker 11: really has not been exposed by this location data, which is.

1031
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Speaker 12: The promotion of certain accounts.

1032
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Speaker 11: So not only do you have fake accounts posting fake

1033
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Speaker 11: news about what's happening in guys, what's supposedly the feelings

1034
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 11: of America first people towards Israel stoking that, you also

1035
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 11: have bought accounts that are promoting legitimate American accounts. So

1036
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Speaker 11: we should not be deceived. This is not all foreigners.

1037
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Speaker 11: There are Americans doing this stuff too, and they are

1038
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Speaker 11: getting boosted, and that's not been exposed. What I'd love

1039
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Speaker 11: to see is transparency as to where the people retweeting, reposting, sharing,

1040
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 11: liking posts are, so, you know, in addition to saying

1041
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Speaker 11: where is the person posting from, I think it would

1042
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Speaker 11: be great to have a country by country breakdown of

1043
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Speaker 11: who's sharing their content, because I think what you're going

1044
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 11: to find is a lot of legitimately American accounts who

1045
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 11: are nasty people are getting promoted just in the way

1046
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Speaker 11: that these fake accounts promoted themselves. And I think that's

1047
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 11: really got to be the next thing, because this is

1048
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Speaker 11: a massive disinformation operation, this is a massive manipulation of

1049
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 11: our country.

1050
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Speaker 3: I'm not at all you and I are on the

1051
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 3: same page on this. Is there a legal.

1052
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Speaker 2: Or is there an a legal obligation that Elon Musk

1053
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 2: has and X has to not allowing not.

1054
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Speaker 3: To take place? I mean, can you regulate who retweets home?

1055
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Speaker 11: Well, you know, criticizing it and exposing it and providing

1056
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 11: transparency is not the same as preventing it.

1057
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Speaker 12: And so that's a whole different argument.

1058
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Speaker 11: And one of the reasons the rules were relaxed so

1059
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Speaker 11: much is that we saw under the Biden administration pressure

1060
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Speaker 11: on Facebook, pressure on other social media operations to censor content.

1061
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Speaker 12: I mean, I remember in our own account at Legal.

1062
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Speaker 11: Insurrection on Facebook, we just avoided posting anything about climate

1063
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Speaker 11: change or COVID or whatever because they so heavily censored it.

1064
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 11: We'd get you tagged on it by Facebook, and you

1065
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Speaker 11: get three or four tags, and all of a sudden

1066
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Speaker 11: they kick you off the platform. So we just avoided

1067
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Speaker 11: it completely because we didn't agree with the popular narrator.

1068
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Speaker 11: And so that's the extreme that people reacted to and

1069
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Speaker 11: said we should have absolutely no limitations on Twitter and

1070
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Speaker 11: social media. And now we're seeing the byproduct of that

1071
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Speaker 11: is that foreigners have jumped into the void to manipulate

1072
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Speaker 11: systems that have no control mechanism in them.

1073
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Speaker 12: What is the right answer.

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01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 11: I think we're heading towards the right answer, and it's transparency.

1075
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 11: It's don't allow these foreigners to pretend, you know, I'm

1076
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Speaker 11: a redneck from Texas and I don't want my money

1077
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Speaker 11: going to Israel or I'm not going to die for Israel.

1078
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Speaker 11: Meanwhile you're sitting in Bangladesh, you know that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 11: I think transparency is probably the best answer rather than censorship. Now,

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Speaker 11: I do believe that it would be consistent with free

1081
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Speaker 11: speech and free you know, exchange of ideas for Twitter

1082
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 11: to say, if you are going to lie about where

1083
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Speaker 11: you are, then maybe that's a violation of our terms.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we're not going.

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Speaker 12: To sensor you for your opinion, but if you're going

1086
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Speaker 12: to conduct.

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Speaker 11: Fraud on our platform and you're going to misrepresent yourself

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Speaker 11: as being you know, a farmer in you know, Missouri,

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Speaker 11: but you're actually just a bot farm in India. You know,

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Speaker 11: that's a misrepresentation, that's a fraud on the platform. And

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Speaker 11: I would like to see that sort of outright fraud

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Speaker 11: and misrepresentation addressed by X, because it's already in their

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Speaker 11: terms of service. They're just enforcing it. I don't think

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Speaker 11: we need opinions censored, but fraud should absolutely be regulated,

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Speaker 11: and it would I don't know if it's a legal obligation,

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Speaker 11: but it certainly would be an ex's interest because up

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Speaker 11: until recently, and certainly with this exposure, you know, it

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Speaker 11: has now the reputation of being a you know, a

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Speaker 11: manipulation device, and I don't think that's what Elon Musk

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Speaker 11: wanted it to be. He wanted to be a place

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Speaker 11: where people could freely exchange their ideas. Instead, it's a

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Speaker 11: site for ramp and TROYD.

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Speaker 2: William Jacobson Carnell Law, Professor Legal insurrection dot com. I

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Speaker 2: appreciate you taking time to be with us more to

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Speaker 2: get to I'm Tony Kax. This is Tony KATX today.

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Speaker 3: So is the president losing Republicans?

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Speaker 13: No, Look, this is still Donald Trump, Republican party, and

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Speaker 13: we can see it here.

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Speaker 3: They it's like a rock.

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Speaker 13: To quote Bob Seeger, I mean, take a look here

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Speaker 13: Republicans who approve of Trump.

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Speaker 3: Six months ago, it was eighty seven percent. Now, well, hello,

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Speaker 3: it's the same number. It's eighty seven percent.

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Speaker 13: He has not lost any support among Republicans compared to

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Speaker 13: six months ago.

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Speaker 3: As I said at the beginning, he's like a rock.

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Speaker 3: He's like a rock.

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Speaker 13: The Republican base is sticking by Donald Trump at this point.

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Speaker 3: And really, now the question before us is if this

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Speaker 3: is the case, what is this idea that things are.

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Speaker 3: There's bed morale in the house.

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Speaker 2: Republicans are unhappy, and some of them, we're gonna say,

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Speaker 2: you know what, it's not worth being here anymore.

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Speaker 3: And they're gonna go.

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Speaker 2: If the voter is still with them, because they're still

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Speaker 2: with Trump, what's the or are we saying, as we have.

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Speaker 3: Stated here more than once, there's a very large.

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Speaker 2: Scale difference between the Trump brand and the Republican brand,

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Speaker 2: and that the support for Trump amongst Republicans is not

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Speaker 2: indicative of support overall. That they won't support their member

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Speaker 2: of Congress if there's some level of disagreement.

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Speaker 9: That is one of the.

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Speaker 3: Things they will have to work out.

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Speaker 2: One of the things I'll be discussing January twenty fourth,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, Trump one year later, a red tie gala.

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Speaker 2: You can get your tickets at WIBC dot com. Oh,

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be an incredible event right here in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 3: Coming out for it.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna have a great time. We're gonna meet good people,

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Speaker 2: great bourbon, great food. I promise a good time. WBC

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Speaker 2: dot com, get your tiffins.

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Speaker 3: I'm Tony Katty.

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Speaker 1: Why from ball Hartbeyer and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 2: If you want to be angry with President Trump for

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Speaker 2: extending the subsidies of Obamacare, you're more than welcome to.

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Speaker 2: But did you not know what you were voting for?

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Speaker 2: Did you not understand what was happening all around you?

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Speaker 2: This was the only thing that was going to happen.

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Speaker 2: And I know a guy on radio who told you

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Speaker 2: exactly that. It was me, of course, Tony Katz. Tony

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Speaker 2: Katz today, guys, good to be here. Trump was going

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Speaker 2: to extend the subsidies on Obamacare.

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Speaker 3: Not that I wanted that. I want Obamacare gone.

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Speaker 2: Democrats couldn't have him steal their thunder, so they decided

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Speaker 2: to engage a shutdown so they can make the issue

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Speaker 2: really theirs. And then they thought they could, you know,

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Speaker 2: just strong arm Republicans into, you know, giving in and

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Speaker 2: bowing down to the needs and quitting and saying, okay, okay,

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Speaker 2: we give all that stuff. And it didn't happen, and

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Speaker 2: Democrats are indeed infuriated about it. But of course Trump

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Speaker 2: was going to extend the subsidies. The question is what

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Speaker 2: he's trying to do now, Is this different than.

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Speaker 3: Extending the subsidies. The answer is no and yes. Talking

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Speaker 3: to Ed Marscy of hotair dot com.

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Speaker 2: Let me now get into maybe one of the bigger

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Speaker 2: stories of the day right here, and this has to

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Speaker 2: do with Obamacare, where you've got the story over at

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Speaker 2: hotair dot com. Through Axios, Trump beats Schumer and Jeffries

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Speaker 2: to the punch on an ACA subsidy plan. Trump's philosophy is,

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Speaker 2: why does the money go to hospitals and other groups?

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Speaker 3: Why don't we give the money.

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Speaker 2: Directly back to the people, and therefore we can bring

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Speaker 2: down the cost of this ridiculous Obamacare.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm no fan of this.

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Speaker 2: I don't want Obamacare at all. I want to see

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Speaker 2: it ripped out by the route. But I did say

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Speaker 2: on this program repeatedly that the reason that the political

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Speaker 2: left was trying so hard, so incredibly hard, when it

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Speaker 2: came to pushing for these subsidies, we have to have

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Speaker 2: a vote, we have to extend the subsidies, is that

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Speaker 2: Trump was going to come in and take it from him,

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Speaker 2: and they did not want to lose the subject. They

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Speaker 2: didn't want to have Trump be the reason that healthcare

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Speaker 2: quote unquote was saved in America. They couldn't lose this

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Speaker 2: thing that is their juggernaut. You see this story, you

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Speaker 2: go through this plan. What is the plan?

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Speaker 3: What is the political reality of it?

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean the plan itself is a two year extension,

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Speaker 7: which I find a little puzzling. I would have gone

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Speaker 7: either one or three two years puts it, but it's

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Speaker 7: the expiration again at the beginning of a electoral cycle,

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Speaker 7: which is one of the issues that we're dealing with

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Speaker 7: right now. But it's a two year extension of the

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Speaker 7: current subsidies with more eligibility restrictions based on income levels,

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Speaker 7: and that the money doesn't go to the insurance companies directly,

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Speaker 7: but it goes to health savings accounts that allows the

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Speaker 7: people who receive them to either use them to pay

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Speaker 7: for insurance plans on the Obamacare exchanges or for other purposes.

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Speaker 7: They can get you know, lower rate healthcare plans and

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Speaker 7: use them for copays and that sort of thing. I

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Speaker 7: don't like this plan because again, like you, I don't

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Speaker 7: like the whole system, and I think the system needs

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Speaker 7: to be removed. But Republicans don't have a plan to

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Speaker 7: do that, so they're again working in reality. This is

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Speaker 7: sort of like the ukring piece deal, is that you know,

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Speaker 7: I'm not getting what I want, but I'm dealing with reality.

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Speaker 7: The reality is that there's going to be a number

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Speaker 7: of middle in you know, middle income households that are

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Speaker 7: going to get a hit on insurance premiums if you

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Speaker 7: don't do something about this. And nobody wants Nobody wants

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Speaker 7: that to happen. Neither Republicans nor Democrats really want that

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Speaker 7: to happen. And this is this is a rational way

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Speaker 7: of dealing with this. And you talk about populism versus conservatism, right,

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Speaker 7: Conservatism is about you know, principles of governance. Populism is

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Speaker 7: about results and This is what happens when you have

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Speaker 7: a populist oriented president or populist oriented in Congress for

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Speaker 7: that matter, is that they're focusing on results. They're not

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Speaker 7: focusing on ideology. They're not looking at this and saying

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Speaker 7: this isn't a proper form of government. What they're looking

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Speaker 7: at is we want to deliver results that make people happier,

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Speaker 7: even if it's in the short term, and that's.

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Speaker 3: What this is.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so this doesn't solve anything that we would want

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Speaker 2: it to solve. This, this is a continuation of a

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Speaker 2: bad plan and a bad idea. This is trying to

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Speaker 2: alleviate some cost issues of this bad plan and a

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Speaker 2: bad idea.

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Speaker 3: And certainly one can argue it's.

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Speaker 2: Always better when the people get to spend their money

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Speaker 2: than when the government spends their money. The flaw in

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Speaker 2: that is that the money is still taken from us

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Speaker 2: to the government and then somehow dold back to us

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Speaker 2: in some acceptable means where we're supposed to say thank

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Speaker 2: you to an ever loving master. That's the fundamental flaw

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Speaker 2: with all government healthcare. But there are people, What was

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Speaker 2: that I was going to.

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Speaker 7: Say, This is a I'm trying to make this nice

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Speaker 7: for radio. This is sort of like a cocass sandwich,

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Speaker 7: and what you've done is you put fresh lettuce, tomato,

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Speaker 7: and mayonnaise on it to make it a little bit

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Speaker 7: more palatable. That's all this really is. This is not

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Speaker 7: even really about costs. It's about politics. Nobody wants to

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Speaker 7: have voters get hit with the tax increase, and which

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Speaker 7: is what this would look like, certainly what it would.

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Speaker 3: Feel like.

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Speaker 7: In an election year and anybody. So that's the problem

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Speaker 7: they're solving.

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Speaker 3: And anybody didn't know this was coming.

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Speaker 2: It didn't under doesn't understand Trump, doesn't understand what got

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Speaker 2: voted in.

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Speaker 3: You have to understand what is happening and then deal

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Speaker 3: with that reality.

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Speaker 2: And I saw some people push the idea that this

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Speaker 2: is terrible and this is a mistake and this is

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Speaker 2: giving into the Democrats. And I saw this from Republicans,

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Speaker 2: people on the political right, and I've tweeted about it

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Speaker 2: people I like, by the way, I'm not angry with them,

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Speaker 2: percent right, but Republicans, I've had, as you say, fifteen

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Speaker 2: years to figure this out and come out with a

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Speaker 2: quote unquote better plan or a full eradication of Obamacare,

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Speaker 2: and they've done nothing. I don't know how I'm supposed

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Speaker 2: to get upset with Donald Trump for trying to make

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Speaker 2: some moves where he gets a political victory and makes

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Speaker 2: things a little bit better, when Republicans could have gotten

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Speaker 2: rid of this thing and have not begun anything to

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Speaker 2: get rid of it, as if somehow some level of

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Speaker 2: government healthcare is here to stay for forever.

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Speaker 7: Well eight years ago, Donald Trump did try to get

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Speaker 7: rid of it. Don't forget. They had the Reconciliation Bill

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Speaker 7: that would have eliminated Obamacare. Can had two problems. One

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Speaker 7: was John McCain and the other was the fact that

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Speaker 7: they didn't really have a replacement for it. They were

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Speaker 7: just going to get rid of it and then go

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Speaker 7: back and try to put the pieces together for something else.

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Speaker 7: And Donald Trump said, it's going to be great, It's

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Speaker 7: going to beautiful. It also sounded like it was going

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Speaker 7: to follow sort of the Obamacare model, where government would

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Speaker 7: is going to be largely driving it. The real solution

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Speaker 7: to this is to get government and third party payers

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Speaker 7: out of healthcare with the exception of catastrophic coverage, and

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Speaker 7: allow people to have full pricing signals with providers and

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Speaker 7: have providers be alleviated of all of the monstrous overhead

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Speaker 7: that insurance companies create and allow them to pass those

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Speaker 7: savings on to consumers. Nobody trusts that, though, and that's

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Speaker 7: the problem. Republicans don't want to get on board with that.

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Speaker 7: Democrats certainly don't want that because they want government control

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Speaker 7: of healthcare. And until they put together a plan that

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Speaker 7: actually is rational and present it as an alternative, all

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Speaker 7: you're going to be doing is, you know, rearranging Dectarias

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Speaker 7: on the Titanic, which is kind of what this thing

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Speaker 7: is with the subsidy extension.

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Speaker 2: It is admittedly it's with nicer chairs, right, You're still

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Speaker 2: the Titanic.

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Speaker 3: I like the shares, but it is with nicer chairs.

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Speaker 3: And so what the for the administration, the issue is

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Speaker 3: going to be how do you sell this?

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Speaker 2: We know what Democrats are going to say, they've done

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Speaker 2: nothing and that they're going to somehow manipulate a number

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Speaker 2: that look at how your costs increased, as opposed to

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Speaker 2: doing something smart, which would be look what we got

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Speaker 2: President Trump to do.

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01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 3: Make it even more affordable to you. We forced him

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Speaker 3: into this.

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Speaker 2: Democrats aren't smart enough to play that game. They'll go

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Speaker 2: in some other direction. Because you can't give Trump any

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01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:29,639
Speaker 2: credit for anything. So I think that the going after

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01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 2: Trump for engaging on this issue really takes away from

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01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:38,679
Speaker 2: this larger issue of where in the heck have Republicans been.

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Speaker 3: I know we're going a little long here, and.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you taking the time at if you've got time.

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Speaker 2: I have one more question, which is about Marjorie Taylor

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Speaker 2: Green in the retirement listen as the guy who controls

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Speaker 2: the space lasers every Tuesday and Friday. I won't miss

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01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 2: her at all. I mean Friday before sundown. They don't

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01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 2: run sundown to sundown.

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Speaker 7: I was just about to ask you, I think there's

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Speaker 7: a Sabbath restriction, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got a guy named Christian McDonald who covers

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01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,639
Speaker 2: it on the weekends for us. Makes it all work

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01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 2: out well. Talking to Ed Marcy if hotair dot com.

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Speaker 2: Oh my Rabbi is going to send me an email.

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Speaker 2: Marjorie Taylor Green announces her resignation not immediately January fifth, because,

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Speaker 2: as the story goes, January third is when the new

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Speaker 2: session will will come in and be inaugurated. That will

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Speaker 2: make her five years in the House. That will mean

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Speaker 2: a full pension, and so she's resigning after that.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know, I don't know how much

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01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 7: time really because she's she's her net worth is actually

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Speaker 7: somewhere in the eight figure range. So I don't know

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Speaker 7: that she's really all that concerned about the congressional pension.

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Speaker 7: I think that the you know, the healthcare thing, ironically

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01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 7: is pretty sweet that on that point, But I think

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Speaker 7: that she's just doing it basically to stiff Mike Johnson.

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Speaker 7: Is she's resigning. You know, she's giving sixty days notice

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Speaker 7: I guess, or or roughly sixty days notice, and they're

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01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:05,680
Speaker 7: not gonna be able to do a special election, I

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01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:08,599
Speaker 7: think in Georgia until the primary, which is in May,

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01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 7: because that's the way the law works in Georgia. They

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01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:14,559
Speaker 7: can't just call a special election for this thing has

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01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 7: to be on a regularly scheduled election event. And so

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Speaker 7: she's going to short Johnson to vote for the next

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01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 7: four months, or for the four months after her resignation.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 2: So, I mean, it is it is a very much

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01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 2: sticking it to the Republican Party. She's angry at Trump.

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01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 2: She made one solid argument, which is why in the

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01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:38,760
Speaker 2: world should I run to win when Trump's gonna put

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01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 2: millions of dollars against me, and then when I get

1350
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 2: to the House, I'm gonna be told I have to

1351
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:46,599
Speaker 2: defend Trump against the impeachment. I'm not playing that game,

1352
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 2: which I think is legitimate, But I don't think there's

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01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 2: any other part of her argument that is legitimate. And

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01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 2: this goes to the conversation of you decided to be

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01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 2: a Trump by dollar.

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01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 3: You know, when you're a Trump by dollar, you're not

1357
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 3: allowed to have any other thoughts except his.

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01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 2: We have to be willing to say we disagree with things,

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01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 2: and lately you're seeing more and more people engage the

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01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 2: I disagree conversation, whether it's tariffs, or whether it's it's

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01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 2: Ukraine or a whole host of things. Is this because

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01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 2: people have gotten tired of Trump? Stick Is this because

1363
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 2: I forget who was reporting.

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01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 3: It that morale in the House is very, very low.

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01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 2: Because Trump doesn't do anything to build up morale of

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01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 2: Republicans or care about what's going on with them locally.

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01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:34,719
Speaker 3: He only cares about himself.

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01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 2: Or is all of this because Trump isn't going to

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01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 2: be the guy in four years and everybody needs jockey

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01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:45,680
Speaker 2: for their position for whoever's next, or whether or not

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01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 2: they could be next.

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Speaker 7: I think it's a little bit of all these things, Tony,

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01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:51,320
Speaker 7: but look, I mean, I think the biggest, the big

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01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 7: issue here with Green herself is that she wanted to

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01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:59,679
Speaker 7: run for governor or senator and Trump's team, Trump's political team,

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01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 7: this is beck in May. This was pretty widely reported.

1377
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 7: Sat her down showed her the polling saying we're not

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01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 7: going to support you because you can't win statewide. They

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01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:10,200
Speaker 7: were showing her polling that she would lose in a

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01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 7: head to head match up with John Ossoff, that's the

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01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 7: Democrat senator who's going to be up next year in

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01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 7: the midterms by something.

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01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 3: Like eighteen points.

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Speaker 7: Because Green is kind of a nut and the Trump

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01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:27,200
Speaker 7: team learned her lesson with herschel Walker in Georgia, they're

1386
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 7: not going to back nuts anymore for state wide elections

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01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 7: they want Actually, they wanted Brian Kemp to run for

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01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 7: the Senate seat, but apparently Brian Kemp isn't interested. Brian

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01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 7: Kemp would probably easily be John Ossoff, and maybe they're

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01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 7: still going to try to convince him. And I think

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Speaker 7: maybe part of discouraging Green was to try to convince

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Speaker 7: Kemp to jump in so that he didn't have to

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01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 7: face a primary fight against Marjorie Taylor Green, and in

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01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 7: her faction, ever since then, she has been splitting away

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01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:57,600
Speaker 7: from Trump. And you know, two weeks ago she was

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01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 7: on the View talking about talking about how she's been

1397
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 7: disenchanted with all this and you know, and of course

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01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 7: the View is eating all of this up, got Trump

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01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 7: very angry, called her Marjorie Trader Green. As you know,

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Speaker 7: Trump likes to assign these nick.

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01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 3: Well, it took him a couple of tries to get

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01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 3: to that nickname. He had to work through the kings

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01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 3: he had to take. You know, I had to do

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01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 3: the small clubs before he did the arena. Is what

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01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:26,680
Speaker 3: happened there? Yeah, he had to work on his bid

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01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 3: a little bit.

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01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, he refined his act just a little bit. It

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01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:32,320
Speaker 7: got the timing better as it went on the road.

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01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:36,639
Speaker 7: So yes, But I mean, clearly he won that district

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01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 7: by something like thirty something points. If he doesn't like Green,

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01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 7: she's not going to win. So I mean, that's that's

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01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:46,599
Speaker 7: a pretty simple calculation. She could try running as a Democrat,

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01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:49,720
Speaker 7: but I think it's an R plus what twenty in

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01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 7: that district. It's some very lopsided little thing. So retirement

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01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:57,600
Speaker 7: makes sense that the big issue is why not just

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01:24:57,680 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 7: run out the string. Why not just take it all

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01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 7: the way down to the to the midterms and retire

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01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 7: at the end of her term. I think that she

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01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 7: decided to quit in the middle of the term again,

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01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:08,639
Speaker 7: to stick it to Trump, to stick it to Johnson,

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01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 7: make it harder to get legislation through. I think that Democrats, however,

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01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 7: are going to probably lose at least one and maybe

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01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 7: two representatives through criminal trials in the next couple of months.

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01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:23,720
Speaker 7: Lamonica mc ivor and whatever her name is, what's her name,

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01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 7: Felisaffillas McCormick.

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01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, I honest, I never remember her name.

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01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:32,639
Speaker 7: Her first name is Sheila, Sheila Shaffillis McCormick I think

1428
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:35,720
Speaker 7: is her full name. Who just got indicted for five

1429
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:38,479
Speaker 7: million dollars of embezzlement of FEMA money. So I don't

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01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 7: think Democrats are going to be able to make King

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01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 7: Jeffrey speaker in this session. But I think that was

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01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 7: I think that's the motivation, and really I think it's

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01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 7: Okham's razor. The simplest explanation is the best. She's angry

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01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 7: and she wants to stick it to Trump and Johnson,

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01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 7: and this is the easiest way to do it.

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Speaker 2: I understand Ed's talking about the session that starts January third,

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01:25:57,840 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six.

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01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 3: He's not talking about the the mid terms.

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01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 7: We no, no, no, this is it's all one session.

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01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 7: Each session is two years, So what they're coming back

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01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 7: from in January is a recess. The next session of Congress.

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01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 2: Is Are you suggesting that Republicans can keep the House

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01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six, That's was my point.

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01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 7: Oh, I'm sorry, Oh yeah, I think I think that

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01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 7: there's a possibility, at least I think. You know, the

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01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:26,600
Speaker 7: polling is not very wide in terms of the congressional

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01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 7: you know, generic congressional ballot, it's around four point five

1448
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:32,799
Speaker 7: four point eight RCP last I looked, which was on Friday.

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01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:36,840
Speaker 7: I think that there's a possibility. It depends on what

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01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 7: the economy looks like. It depends on, you know, how

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01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 7: crazy Democrats actually get. But I think there's there's a

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01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:47,559
Speaker 7: possibility that Republicans can hold the House. I think if

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01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 7: they win this redistricting map issue in Texas, excuse me,

1454
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 7: makes it a little easier for them, and I think

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01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:56,760
Speaker 7: that there's a good chance that they will win that.

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01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 7: So my guess is that it's a it's a risk

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01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 7: for Green to bow out now, and I'm at least

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01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 7: a little hopeful that Republicans can hold the House and

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01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:13,679
Speaker 7: maybe the Senate, but it's possible.

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01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 2: As for Marjorie Taylor Green, I do wish her well

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01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:21,679
Speaker 2: with her new job as a contributor next to Adam

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01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:22,679
Speaker 2: Kinslinger on CNN.

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01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 3: Oh.

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01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 2: I thought she was gonna be the next to host

1465
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 2: the on the View, that's all wait, so she finds

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01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 2: out the View won't even won't even take her. Good

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01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 2: Lord at Morrissey hotair dot com, I appreciate you taking

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01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 2: the time to be with us more to get to

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01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:40,240
Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz, and this is Tony Katz today. We

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01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:45,599
Speaker 2: do not give Elon Musk enough credit. Now, that's different

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01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 2: than putting Elon Musk up on a pedestal. In the

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01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:51,720
Speaker 2: same way, after having a little bit of a row

1473
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 2: with a President Trump, you don't say.

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01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 3: You're dead forever.

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01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:59,120
Speaker 2: It's that idol worship stuff is super weird. Tony Katz,

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01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 2: Tony kas that's today, good to be with you, good

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01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 2: to be here. It's that Elon Musk buying X in

1478
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 2: exposing what is within the lies, the deceit, the deception.

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01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 3: The fraud. I for one, never want to hear.

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01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 2: Jack Dorsey tell me what a good guy he is,

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01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 2: or anybody tell me what a good guy he is.

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01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no no. You allowed the worst things

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01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 3: in the world.

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01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 2: To happen with that social media platform, a platform that

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01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 2: provides so much value, more value than ever.

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01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 3: Because we're actually engaged in free speech. In addition, what.

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01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:41,559
Speaker 2: Elon Musk has done is an addition of this tool

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01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:46,559
Speaker 2: that can show you where people are actually reporting from

1489
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 2: displays key background information about an account, including the location

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01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:55,599
Speaker 2: where it's based. So all those accounts that we're reporting

1491
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 2: from Gozzen, how terrible things are, they're not in Goza.

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01:28:58,200 --> 01:28:58,920
Speaker 3: They're all liars.

1493
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:03,439
Speaker 2: They're all liars, They're all frauds, just like a moss themselves.

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01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 2: It's like anybody who believe the gods of health ministry.

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01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 2: If you believe the gads of health ministry, you might

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01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 2: as well just give money to terrorist organizations or be one.

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01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:14,320
Speaker 3: It's a terrorist organization, it's a mass.

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01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:17,479
Speaker 2: All they do is lie, and all people did when

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01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 2: quoting them is give them support, give Hamas support. Giving

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01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:24,000
Speaker 2: terrorist support is something that we should look at and

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01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:27,720
Speaker 2: say you're a loser, because you are. Those people are

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01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:30,639
Speaker 2: I shouldn't say you, they are. They're terrible, they're disgusting,

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01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:33,680
Speaker 2: they're despicable. They did it all the time, and they

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01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 2: would quote these accounts in all these accounts are frauds,

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01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:39,720
Speaker 2: as we're finding. And then you know the idea of

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01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 2: these these rage farmers as they're being called a really

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01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 2: interesting story by Mike Solana out there, Foreign rage farmers

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01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:55,800
Speaker 2: exposed by X in major updates. It's really something else

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01:29:55,880 --> 01:30:00,639
Speaker 2: that has taken place here. And there's no no question

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01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:07,679
Speaker 2: that we should be looking at Elon and saying thanks,

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01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:13,680
Speaker 2: absolutely positively, thank you. Oh my gosh, look at all

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01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:20,200
Speaker 2: the support that Nick Fuentes has really really maybe not

1513
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:25,640
Speaker 2: social media isn't real. Social media is not real, and

1514
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:27,840
Speaker 2: we need to do an even better job about it.

1515
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 3: And this is huge. The fraudsters, the liars, the con artists,

1516
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:34,320
Speaker 3: a lot.

1517
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 2: Of influencer is going to lose a lot of cash,

1518
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 2: I hope, because they're not influencing anything.

1519
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:42,479
Speaker 3: Except the end of us. Yeah, we can't just stand

1520
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:44,639
Speaker 3: this is Tony Katz today.

1521
01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:50,560
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm supposed to make about this

1522
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:53,559
Speaker 2: alleged peace deal with Ukraine.

1523
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 3: But I don't know what other people were going for.

1524
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:58,760
Speaker 2: And it's an argument that we've been making here from

1525
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 2: the beginning. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be

1526
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:04,759
Speaker 2: with you. Find everything I do over at Tony Katz

1527
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:07,840
Speaker 2: dot com. Ed Marsci joins me right now from hot

1528
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 2: air dot com, and you have got the piece up.

1529
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:17,000
Speaker 2: Ukraine agrees to US peace deal. Let's start with the

1530
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:20,479
Speaker 2: basics here at Marssey, what is this peace deal?

1531
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:23,040
Speaker 3: Twenty eight points? Nineteen points? What do you know?

1532
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:26,519
Speaker 7: Twenty eight points. This is something that leaked out of

1533
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 7: the White House, I think on Friday, and it basically

1534
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 7: creates the status quo as a settlement, which means that

1535
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:40,640
Speaker 7: Russia gets CRIMEA, Russia gets the Dawn bas which they

1536
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:45,120
Speaker 7: control eighty six percent of and is one ethnic Russian. Anyway,

1537
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:52,400
Speaker 7: Ukraine would get security reassurances from the US. Security commitments

1538
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:56,840
Speaker 7: from the US, which is basically an Article five without

1539
01:31:56,960 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 7: being part of NATO that if Russia invades than the

1540
01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:05,200
Speaker 7: US and Europe would respond militarily to that. There are

1541
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:09,880
Speaker 7: limitations on the Ukrainian army. I think it's at eight

1542
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:12,200
Speaker 7: hundred and eighty thousand, right now be capped at six

1543
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:17,160
Speaker 7: hundred thousand. They would get entry to the EU, which

1544
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:19,639
Speaker 7: was a big sticking point with Russia. They didn't want

1545
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 7: Ukraine in the EU or NATO, and NATO would say

1546
01:32:25,160 --> 01:32:30,120
Speaker 7: that they would no longer add nations bordering Russia. There

1547
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 7: would be no more encroachment on Russia, which is more

1548
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 7: or less there's really no capacity for growth because we're

1549
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 7: not going to add Georgia to NATO. It doesn't supply

1550
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:45,280
Speaker 7: lines just simply don't work. And we basically got the

1551
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:49,800
Speaker 7: entire western border of Russia covered by NATO now that

1552
01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 7: we've had a Finland and Sweden. So some of this

1553
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:55,400
Speaker 7: is just status quo. Some of this is just a

1554
01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:58,960
Speaker 7: recognition of the status quo as the settlement now it

1555
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:02,519
Speaker 7: would also take one hundred billion dollars in Russian frozen

1556
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:08,040
Speaker 7: assets and give it to Ukraine for reconstruction is war reparations. There,

1557
01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:12,040
Speaker 7: we would alleviate the sanctions on Russian eventually let them

1558
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:15,080
Speaker 7: back into what would then become again the G eight UH.

1559
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:20,879
Speaker 7: This is an attempt to just more or less validate

1560
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 7: the front lines that you've got right now with some

1561
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:27,280
Speaker 7: minor adjustments in order to keep people from going to

1562
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:30,120
Speaker 7: war again, and this is not a great This is

1563
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:32,840
Speaker 7: not a great plan, but there's there is no great

1564
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 7: plan in the offering, and you're looking for us.

1565
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:38,519
Speaker 2: An offering and that and that is to my point

1566
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:41,640
Speaker 2: talking to Ed Marscy of hot air dot com. Uh,

1567
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:44,839
Speaker 2: people have noted, and people I like on social media.

1568
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:44,920
Speaker 3: I have noted.

1569
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:48,920
Speaker 2: I've actually responded to them that this is a terrible,

1570
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:52,679
Speaker 2: terrible peace plan. And the question is what's a good one,

1571
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 2: What actually satisfies everybody? What would satisfy Democrats and Republicans,

1572
01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:00,439
Speaker 2: What would satisfy Ukrainians and Russians, which is to say,

1573
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:02,519
Speaker 2: Ukrainians and Vladimir Putin.

1574
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:03,760
Speaker 3: As I said to.

1575
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 2: People on the political right, unhappy with this deal and

1576
01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 2: think that it's capitulation or giving into Russia's demands outside

1577
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:13,839
Speaker 2: of the full on assassination of Vladimir Putin?

1578
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:16,200
Speaker 3: What works for you?

1579
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:20,280
Speaker 2: So the idea of this isn't a great peace deal.

1580
01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:23,519
Speaker 2: Have they determined what would be a great peace deal?

1581
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:23,680
Speaker 8: Ed?

1582
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:27,879
Speaker 7: Yeah, what they want is a full restoration of Ukrainian

1583
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:32,479
Speaker 7: sovereignty as of pre twenty fourteen, because remember Russians basically

1584
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:36,639
Speaker 7: incorporated the dawnbas and Crimea in twenty fourteen wasn't part

1585
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:39,240
Speaker 7: of the twenty twenty two invasion. They were already there.

1586
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:44,920
Speaker 7: So what they want is a restoration of Ukrainian sovereignty

1587
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:47,439
Speaker 7: as recognized by the West. Well, Russia's not going to

1588
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:50,719
Speaker 7: stop fighting and hand that territory back. They're just simply

1589
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:54,439
Speaker 7: not going to do it. Furthermore, the territories that they

1590
01:34:54,520 --> 01:34:58,320
Speaker 7: occupy are primarily ethnic Russian, not ethnic Ukrainian. Which was

1591
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:01,680
Speaker 7: one of the big political problems in Ukraine was this

1592
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:04,560
Speaker 7: fight between the ethnic Russians and the ethnic Ukrainians that

1593
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 7: kept pulling the country uh to the east and the

1594
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:12,640
Speaker 7: west based on whatever the election results happened to be.

1595
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:17,599
Speaker 7: And this is it's not a it's not an issue,

1596
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:19,479
Speaker 7: it's not an area. That's where you're going to have

1597
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:25,400
Speaker 7: stable Ukrainian sovereignty for the long run anyway, And you're

1598
01:35:25,439 --> 01:35:27,360
Speaker 7: not going to get it back unless you can actually

1599
01:35:27,439 --> 01:35:29,840
Speaker 7: defeat Russia in the field and drive their forces back.

1600
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:32,400
Speaker 7: And even if you did that, they'd come again. And

1601
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:36,240
Speaker 7: Ukraine simply isn't prepared to do that, and the United

1602
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:38,200
Speaker 7: States and Europe doesn't want to, don't want to start

1603
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:41,400
Speaker 7: World War three to get it back. And that's been

1604
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:44,560
Speaker 7: very clear. I mean, the idea that we're going to

1605
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:48,280
Speaker 7: exclude Ukraine from NATO is also status quo. If we

1606
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 7: were going to have Ukraine and NATO, we'd already have

1607
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:54,200
Speaker 7: troops in Ukraine fighting the Russians and we'd already be

1608
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:55,160
Speaker 7: at World War three.

1609
01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:56,920
Speaker 3: We're not going to do that.

1610
01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:58,240
Speaker 7: We're not going to go to World War three to

1611
01:35:58,280 --> 01:36:03,560
Speaker 7: protect Ukraine. It's that part's made very clear. So you

1612
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:07,519
Speaker 7: can want justice because what this peace plan is not justice.

1613
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:10,080
Speaker 7: But what this peace plan is is an offer ramp

1614
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:13,360
Speaker 7: so people stop killing each other over the same few

1615
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:17,439
Speaker 7: hundred kilometers of ground. And it's we've done this now

1616
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:19,839
Speaker 7: for almost four years. It's not going to be settled

1617
01:36:20,439 --> 01:36:24,320
Speaker 7: by force of arms because neither country can accomplish it.

1618
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:26,519
Speaker 2: So the argument is going to be talking to Ed

1619
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:29,800
Speaker 2: Morrissey of hotair dot com, is that you see this

1620
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:33,840
Speaker 2: is the populace Trump, this is this isn't a conservative way.

1621
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:37,560
Speaker 3: To do things. I'm not a populist. I am a conservative.

1622
01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:40,280
Speaker 3: I don't like this deal at all. I want Russia

1623
01:36:40,360 --> 01:36:43,360
Speaker 3: pushed back all the way. But I deal with the

1624
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:44,000
Speaker 3: reality that.

1625
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:49,560
Speaker 2: I have in terms of the will, the dollars, the manpower,

1626
01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:54,439
Speaker 2: the mood of the American people and the electric they

1627
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:58,240
Speaker 2: haven't wanted to do this, I think because leadership has

1628
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:02,559
Speaker 2: not shown willing to do this in in major cases.

1629
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 3: I don't know how to get everything that I want

1630
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:09,880
Speaker 3: in this battle, in this fight, in this desire to

1631
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:10,800
Speaker 3: make the killing end.

1632
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:14,920
Speaker 2: As a matter of historical perspective if you have it,

1633
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:17,439
Speaker 2: or of a matter of taking a look at people

1634
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:19,080
Speaker 2: who are claiming they see this is the problem with

1635
01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:21,800
Speaker 2: Trump's populism, and there's many problems with Trump's populism.

1636
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:28,599
Speaker 3: Sometimes good is better than what you already have. Why

1637
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:30,760
Speaker 3: can't we just take good and see what we can

1638
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:31,400
Speaker 3: grow from there.

1639
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:35,400
Speaker 7: Well, there is a concern that this piece deal might

1640
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:38,880
Speaker 7: just be a you know, a way for Russia to

1641
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:42,800
Speaker 7: re arm, because of course be able to write there

1642
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:44,559
Speaker 7: is an issue with that, which is the reason why

1643
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:47,200
Speaker 7: Ukraine wants Western security guarantees, and it's the reason why

1644
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:51,479
Speaker 7: Western security guarantees have been incorporated into this, which is

1645
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:54,240
Speaker 7: to say that we will commit troops if Russia invades

1646
01:37:54,280 --> 01:37:57,880
Speaker 7: again in force. And by the way, the Dunbas or

1647
01:37:57,880 --> 01:38:00,960
Speaker 7: at least the Dunets Oblast would be militarized, so it'd

1648
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:02,680
Speaker 7: be a little bit more difficult for Russia to do

1649
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:07,800
Speaker 7: it the next time out. And again I don't like

1650
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:10,120
Speaker 7: this deal either. I think Russia should have been defeated.

1651
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:12,599
Speaker 7: I was hoping that Ukraine could do it. I didn't

1652
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:15,160
Speaker 7: want to go to World War three to achieve that.

1653
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:17,439
Speaker 7: So if you're not going to do that, if you

1654
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:20,240
Speaker 7: don't want to send American troops and German troops and

1655
01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:24,479
Speaker 7: French troops into Ukraine and declare war on Russia on

1656
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:26,760
Speaker 7: behalf of the Ukrainians, then you're going to have to

1657
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 7: start looking at the reality of this. And the reality

1658
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:31,800
Speaker 7: of this is Ukraine can't beat Russia in the long run.

1659
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:36,120
Speaker 7: Russia probably can't conquer Ukraine in the long run. What

1660
01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:38,000
Speaker 7: you're setting up here, if you don't want to have

1661
01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:41,080
Speaker 7: some sort of an off ramp, some sort of negotiated

1662
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:44,520
Speaker 7: off ramp, is you're setting up twenty years of absolute

1663
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:51,280
Speaker 7: human carnage which could very easily spread into other areas.

1664
01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:54,200
Speaker 7: And Russia's already been trying to press that on the

1665
01:38:54,280 --> 01:38:58,120
Speaker 7: frontiers of NATO with drone incursions and that sort of thing,

1666
01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:02,080
Speaker 7: and we've actually sent that airplanes now start challenging that.

1667
01:39:02,240 --> 01:39:05,280
Speaker 7: So I believe that that's backed off but those are

1668
01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:06,840
Speaker 7: the types of risks that you run when you have

1669
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:11,040
Speaker 7: wars going on in your backyard. And again, this is

1670
01:39:11,160 --> 01:39:14,439
Speaker 7: not justice. It's not a good deal for anybody, but

1671
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:17,479
Speaker 7: at least it might stop the war and might be

1672
01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:22,439
Speaker 7: a path to a more lasting settlement of the conflict

1673
01:39:22,479 --> 01:39:24,280
Speaker 7: in this region, which has really been going on for

1674
01:39:24,520 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 7: ever since the Soviet Union collapsed.

1675
01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:29,840
Speaker 2: If you understand Trump at all, the deal has to

1676
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:31,519
Speaker 2: be made so he could say.

1677
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:33,439
Speaker 3: I stopped the war. I did exactly what I said

1678
01:39:33,479 --> 01:39:34,280
Speaker 3: I was going to do.

1679
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:36,880
Speaker 2: The fact that Russia cannot be trusted is something that

1680
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:39,720
Speaker 2: everybody knows and is a part that is an afterthought

1681
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:41,320
Speaker 2: in this I'm with you.

1682
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:44,200
Speaker 3: I would have liked to have pushed the Russians all

1683
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:44,760
Speaker 3: the way back.

1684
01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:47,439
Speaker 2: And anybody who thinks this is entire issue, I've always

1685
01:39:47,479 --> 01:39:50,000
Speaker 2: thought is a nutty proposition. But it is a difference

1686
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:54,240
Speaker 2: between me and you, most probably as you're talking and

1687
01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:57,000
Speaker 2: the populace talking to Ed Marrissey off hot air dot com.

1688
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:01,960
Speaker 2: Let me move the subject just bit to who has

1689
01:40:02,160 --> 01:40:07,400
Speaker 2: become uh the great great comedy relief in America.

1690
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:11,120
Speaker 3: Her name is it? Is it aften Bain or often Ben?

1691
01:40:12,640 --> 01:40:16,679
Speaker 7: I don't know how you pronounce it, but it's probably

1692
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:21,520
Speaker 7: been But yeah, this is the obscure state legislative legislator

1693
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:23,960
Speaker 7: from Tennessee who wants to run for Congress. There's a

1694
01:40:24,120 --> 01:40:27,080
Speaker 7: special election a week from today, and uh man, she

1695
01:40:27,240 --> 01:40:30,639
Speaker 7: is the gift that keeps on giving. So she's something else.

1696
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:32,479
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna see if I can share this

1697
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:37,280
Speaker 3: with you. She is on the record, uh saying this.

1698
01:40:37,960 --> 01:40:42,280
Speaker 14: I mean that could be as seemingly naive as like

1699
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:44,840
Speaker 14: the way I dressed and the way I present it myself,

1700
01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:48,559
Speaker 14: you know, and just this southern bell kind of are

1701
01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:51,200
Speaker 14: uh that I try to cultivate.

1702
01:40:51,439 --> 01:40:55,679
Speaker 7: And it's a sorority. I mean, it's funny now because

1703
01:40:56,200 --> 01:40:58,120
Speaker 7: folks I work with and they're like, you are in

1704
01:40:58,200 --> 01:40:58,880
Speaker 7: a sorority.

1705
01:40:59,080 --> 01:41:02,320
Speaker 3: I live in this house. Yeah, I mean one staple

1706
01:41:02,400 --> 01:41:09,000
Speaker 3: of white supremacy sororities. That's probably the tamest piece I

1707
01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:12,880
Speaker 3: have from her. She says that men can give birth.

1708
01:41:13,240 --> 01:41:16,000
Speaker 2: She talks about it's representing Nashville and how much she

1709
01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:20,360
Speaker 2: hates Nashville and hates Broadway and hates the Bacherette parties

1710
01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:24,479
Speaker 2: and hates country music. Everything about her And then there's

1711
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:27,040
Speaker 2: this video from twenty nineteen when she stormed the office

1712
01:41:27,080 --> 01:41:30,680
Speaker 2: of then Governor Lee and she got thrown out and

1713
01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:33,760
Speaker 2: she's on the floor. A friend is sobbing. She's like,

1714
01:41:34,040 --> 01:41:37,120
Speaker 2: you should be ashamed of yourselves. If there was a

1715
01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:42,439
Speaker 2: caricature of feminism, this would be it. There's no cartoon

1716
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:46,160
Speaker 2: as Michael Ramirez cannot come close to creating this pen

1717
01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:46,559
Speaker 2: to pay.

1718
01:41:48,040 --> 01:41:48,439
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1719
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:51,840
Speaker 7: Michael's really talented, so he might he might have come

1720
01:41:51,960 --> 01:41:55,000
Speaker 7: up with a better one, but until he does, she

1721
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:58,599
Speaker 7: is the epitome of the awfl right, the affluent white

1722
01:41:58,920 --> 01:42:02,160
Speaker 7: female liberal and our awfuls as we call them.

1723
01:42:02,200 --> 01:42:05,080
Speaker 2: And the Democrats are really pushing her to be the

1724
01:42:05,160 --> 01:42:06,240
Speaker 2: next member of Congress.

1725
01:42:07,320 --> 01:42:09,479
Speaker 7: Well, I don't know if the Democrats are really pushing

1726
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:10,240
Speaker 7: her at this point.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the.

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Speaker 7: Whole thing with this is what happens when you when

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Speaker 7: you have somebody who's unprepared for the moment. And we

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Speaker 7: haven't even gotten to the MS now interview where the

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Speaker 7: hosts of the Weekend we're trying to rescue her by

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Speaker 7: giving her an opportunity to contextualize her support for burning

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Speaker 7: down police stations and for black Lives matter in twenty

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Speaker 7: twenty Now they're bringing this up so that she can say, look,

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Speaker 7: it was the heat of the moment, you know, looking back,

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Speaker 7: that was probably not the wise thing to say or do.

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Speaker 7: I certainly don't believe that.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 7: She doesn't do any of that. She then says when

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Speaker 7: they bring it up, she says, oh, I didn't come

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Speaker 7: here to debate talk you know, cable news talking points,

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01:42:56,680 --> 01:42:59,920
Speaker 7: while she's appearing on a cable news show with people

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Speaker 7: who are trying to help her, who are trying to

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Speaker 7: rescue her, because these tweets have been have re emerged,

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Speaker 7: and they're trying to ba they're doing a prosecutor's trick

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Speaker 7: or a trial attorney's trick of bringing out the bad

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Speaker 7: stuff on the friendly examinations so that they can put it,

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Speaker 7: they can spin it however they want, and she absolutely

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Speaker 7: is not recognizing that. It refuses to discuss what her

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Speaker 7: positions are on burning down police stations. Eight years later,

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Speaker 7: it's it's easily the worst interview, at least since Katie Porter,

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Speaker 7: you know, yelled at her assistant while she was on

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Speaker 7: the air with doing a commercial.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, I mean, you're in the blanking so bad.

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Speaker 2: You're in the blanking shot and the best is at

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Speaker 2: Katie Porter with former congress women running for governor, in

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Speaker 2: running running for governor now she already lost the Senate

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Speaker 2: race in California. And the best is that assistant who's

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Speaker 2: getting screamed that is like, I just wanted to tell

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Speaker 2: you you got the facts wrong. It's actually that's that's

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Speaker 2: an it's correcting Katie Porter after getting screamed at for

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Speaker 2: being in the blanking shot.

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Speaker 3: It is so terrific. It is joyous to witness ed.

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Speaker 3: Marcihotair dot Com.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you, really appreciate the time for the in

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Speaker 2: depth on all the subjects. I'm Tony Katz. This is

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz today. Greta Tuneberg has been banned from Venice. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: more people need to get on doing this right here,

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Greta Tuneberg is a performance artist. Now you know her

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Speaker 2: as the alleged climate activist and shouting how dare you

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Speaker 2: at the UN and you know, scowling at Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: like she was doing anything at all. What she was

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Speaker 2: doing was being abused by adults on this idea of

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Speaker 2: the climate grift.

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Speaker 3: And it's really awful to have witnessed.

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Speaker 2: Now she's an adult and she floats over to Israel

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Speaker 2: to be supportive of terrorists.

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Speaker 3: She's a disgusting person. But also, if I wanted to

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Speaker 3: play it in a more kind way, I would.

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Speaker 2: Argue, she's a broken person who is not mentally stable,

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Speaker 2: and I would say there should be real concern for her,

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Speaker 2: someone close to her ass to protect her, as opposed

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Speaker 2: to using her.

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Speaker 3: That's my take. Her and some other so called activists.

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Speaker 2: I say performance artists, because what if I'm wrong, and

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Speaker 2: what if she has no mental issue. She just likes

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Speaker 2: being the center of attention in silly ways. It's performance art,

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Speaker 2: that's all it is. It's just mime, but with screeching.

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Speaker 2: She went to Italy joining something called Extinction Rebellion protesters

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Speaker 2: and poured dye into the Grand Canal and made it

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Speaker 2: bright green. She was fined one hundred and seventy two

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Speaker 2: dollars and it's been hit with a forty eight hour

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Speaker 2: band from entering Venice, Italy. I don't even think that's

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Speaker 2: long enough. It's not long enough. They were doing this

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Speaker 2: to quote draw attention to the massive effects of climate collapse.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, not climate change. Not global warming, climate collapse.

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Speaker 2: Oh, this is where we're at now, so things have

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Speaker 2: gotten even more fraught that it's climate collapse. Fantastic. These people,

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Speaker 2: by the way, extinction rebellion wherever you can. If they're

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Speaker 2: engaged in de facing property or destroying things or doing

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Speaker 2: just arrest and it's a forty eight hour ban. No no, no,

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Speaker 2: four hundred and eighty day ban. You don't get to

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Speaker 2: come back lifetime. Stuff start getting tougher with these people.

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Speaker 2: But remember what credit Tundberg is doing is either a

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Speaker 2: short sign of the mental illness or its performance hardy.

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Speaker 3: She doesn't believe anything, She has no core, she has feelings,

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Speaker 3: and this is a way for her to act out

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Speaker 3: on those feelings and.

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Speaker 2: Make a buff because remember she doesn't have a job,

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Speaker 2: she doesn't do anything, so she has to get some

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Speaker 2: dollars somehow.

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Speaker 3: Find everything at Tony kats dot com. Tomorrow, everyone take

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Speaker 3: care